User talk:Auron/Archive 9

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yippie :p anyway check super igor hes back and the only thing hes done recently is trolling Lilondra   *poke*  16:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * has he ever done anything else than trolling? - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]] 18:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, he's been blocked for a week... last time he was blocked for 3 days, and stayed away for 2 months. Maybe we can get that lucky again. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * wait wait he was here for like 2 days and he already got blocked :p ah god i'm lovin it  Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *poke*  18:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You name has been uttered
Here. Figured you'd like to get into this mess by now. -- NUKLEAR   IIV  17:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's quite a mess. - Auron 07:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I agree :P poke | talk 18:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Backbreaker is awesome
There, I moved it.

The way I see it, there are three hammer elites worth bringing: Dev hammer, Earthshaker and Backbreaker. Out of the three, I guess you could say that ES is superior to Dev Hammer, costing only one more strike and yet doing AoE KD. So it pretty much comes to ES vs BB. I like BB more because when it connects, that's it, something dies. Backbreaker is like those skills that get better and better when you get better - and BB never "hits a ceiling". With earthshaker, you need to get lucky (Read - get two people next to each other) to get a kill. Plus, with BB you don't need to pack shock, Bull's is usually enough. That means your secondary is open for a shadow which you can use to be lazy and hammer down on unprotted monks.

I don't know, maybe it's just me. I always had a hardon for Backbreaker. In fact, back in my day...

...yeah, there is a back in my day part. Too bad, you gotta live with it.

Anyway, the last time I played serious gvg was two years ago. When I did, I always played exclusively hammer warriors or Earth eles. So, this one match, I convinced my leader (My old guild is trashed and disbanded, tbh, I don't even remember the name, lol) to go fuck splitting and go hard on the stand. Our roster was 3 warriors (0ne axe and two BB hammers), one warder (This was back when good warding was gamebreaking) two rangers and two monks. Just our luck, the game went down on frozen, the isle of death splits. Just our luck, again, the opposing team was geared towards 4 vs4 splitting, so we were very much like... huh.

At any rate, we went out of the gate, and met them in a standard 7vs7 battle on the stand. Of course, with our aggressive frontline (We didn't have a midline, lol) and me warding out backilne (not that back, so more like semimiddle line) we dropped 'em like flies. So they split. We had to send the two rangers back and make and aggressive push. You know that small cave in frozen? Yeah, it was a bloodbath between the six of us and the 20 of them (with Npc's, ofc). We got rid of all the guards, but had to get back because they had mesmers and we didn't have rangers. We met with our rangers, and smashed their face in at our base. After that, we collapsed ont he fuckers and called it a day.

I've been in love with BB ever since then. Was that story relevant? Not really. Does it still apply today? Probably not. Still, BB is awesome. -- NUKLEAR   IIV  15:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Dev Hammer is pretty awesome, and Magehunter's says hi. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 21:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Against ES, the only thing Dev has it going for it is being cheaper. Earthshaker, on the other hand, can KD multiple people, which makes it much better than Dev.
 * Magehunter's is not good for getting kills. It is good for that KD on the infuser during the spike, but a bar with magehunters rarely packs a killing blow - mostly because the majority of your targets will be blocking. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  13:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And yet, both are better than backbreaker, which is neither spammable nor good for taking down the second monk for a spike (the chances of neither monk being protted is nil, so either the spike-target monk is protted and lives, or the other monk is protted and backbreaker misses).
 * Basically, the backbreaker sins do everything a backbreaker warrior tries to do, plus it packs more damage on a spike, builds backbreaker more quickly, and can bring any number of assassin utility skills like ddagger, if required. The warrior, on the other hand, attacks slowly to build adren, can't use flail for every spike lest the target run away, and is (most of the time) not lethal. - Auron 23:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, BB only takes two more strikes. Two. You trading two more strikes for 1 additional second of KD. Tbh, that's a good trade. All hammer KD skills can be used for the same purpose (unlike ranger elites) and they do the same thing with different flavours.
 * Another thing BB has going for it is split power. If you go 4 on 4 splits, chances are, both split teams will have a single monk, making BB godly. On the stand, you get to take out one monk from the spike ( should be able to hit an unprotted monk, done it many times) making the spike 50% more likely to go through.
 * BB sins, on the other hand, don't pack the pressure of bull's warriors do, nor do they get to spam BB more frequently because you have Echarge. A warrior is also more flexible.
 * I guess it's personal preference, though. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  09:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude. Sins get dual strikes and FGJ. They don't need echarge. They hit with BB, unleash chain, then BB again for the hell of it. Wars can't come close to that. - Auron 09:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Averaging one strike every .99 seconds does that. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 12:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Except FGJ takes an eternity to recharge. Except Assassin's don't have bull's. Therefore, they don't have the pressure a warrior has.
 * So the common comparison between warriors and assassin's apply here: Warriors are more flexible, assassins are glass cannons. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  12:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Backbreaker is not dev hammer, nor is it earth shaker. Backbreaker warriors are glass cannons plus bull's strike, which doesn't automagically equal pressure. They have very little damage between spikes - they can't even spam adrenaline skills because that would make backbreaker take even longer to recharge. Basically, backbreaker warriors are trying to be backbreaker sins, but because they can't instagib as well, they throw in bulls strike for the hell of it. If the warrior wanted to actually pressure shit, he'd be dev hammer. If he wanted to actually kill shit in spike-every-10-seconds buttonmash fest, he'd be assassin. Backbreaker does neither as well as either of those. - Auron 12:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And Earthshaker warriors get to spam adrenal attacks, becuase ES takes only two hits to recharge, amirite? You're overestimating the adrenal cost of BB. It is only two hits away from Earthshaker. That's not a huge margain. But an additional second of KD is. See: Old gale vs new gale.
 * Actually, adding bull's strike automagically adds awesome pressure. Bull's means your target can't kite, which means he can't kite your hammer attacks. Last I checked, Auto-attack DPS of a hammer was fatal, whereas dagger DPS was comparable to mosquito bites. Does an ES get more DPS? Probably. Is the margain between ES and Dev hammer huge as you make it out to be? No fucking way. Is the DPS margain between warriors and assasins huge? fuck yeah.
 * So BB warriors fall between BB sins and Dev Hammers. They have stronger DPS than BB sin, but a weaker spike. They have a stronger spike than Dev hammers, but lower Pressure. It evens out.
 * Also, I lol'ed at "backbreaker warriors are trying to be backbreaker sins". -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  14:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing is... enraging charge takes a chunk out of 7. Echarge, bulls a target, flail, dev -> crushing -> bash -> bulls. You can't do that at all with backbreaker. It's echarge, bulls a target, bulls another target, bulls a third, backbreaker once, wait for echarge because 10 adrenaline is an assload, bulls a target, get low on energy, backbreaker again 30 seconds later. That isn't mentioning simple things like faintheartedness or miss chance hexes, which double or triple the time it takes to gain adrenaline on hammers. That's when you start noticing that the difference between earth shaker and backbreaker is an assload.
 * And I'm still not convinced that those two extra adrenaline are doing anything. Knockdowns with stonefist are already 3 seconds - bulls, bash, dev hammer, earth shaker, whatever. You're not only sacrificing spammability (as I've explained above, 2 adrenaline takes about 5 seconds longer to attain, which, in the course of a match, equals at least an additional minute (usually longer) spent just building adrenaline), but you're sacrificing the secondary effect (which, for Earth Shaker, is immeasurable - the ability to interrupt an entire team and prevent them from moving or using skills) for 1 damn second of knockdown? You're overestimating how much better a 4s KD is compared to a 3s. It really isn't that much of a difference. A target is either going to die or he's not. If you're trying to deep wound him while KD'd, use dev hammer. If you're trying to snare half the team with one go, use earth shaker. If you're trying to get one monk on his ass while the party spikes another target, use magehunters. Backbreaker tries to fill that niche that magehunters already fills - except it's 2 adrenaline more expensive and is blockable. Backbreaker has a huge adrenaline cost and returns almost nothing for it. Backbreaker might be fun to use, but it really isn't that damn good, unless you're exploiting the knockdown length - which warriors simply don't do.
 * If the skill was any good, people would be running it. Hammer warriors are on obs left and right. What are they using? Earth shaker, dev hammer, and magehunter's - occasionally something dumb like warrior's endurance. But nobody's running backbreaker, except on assassins. - Auron 15:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Pot = Protective Was Kaolai?
Huh? --JonTheMon 17:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Common term. &mdash;  Skakid  17:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How common? And how was it derived? --JonTheMon 17:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PWK would make sense but POT isn't even similar.- TheRave [[Image:User_TheRave_sig.jpg]] (talk) 18:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an ash, ashes are carried in pots, the only ash commonly used is this one, so it got nicknamed "pot". I think that's it. Erasculio 18:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So because it's the "most commonly used" item spell, it gets its own redirect that ambiguous to generic item spell? --JonTheMon 20:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody uses pot to mean anything but pwk. - Auron 20:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Like Auron said, it's not a matter of it being the "most commonly used" item spell and thus being redirected from "Pot". It's a matter of it being the "most commonly used" and so being nicknamed in game as "pot", and thus being redirected. It's not our place to tell people in game "stop calling PWK Pot!", just to document that they do so (...or at least appear to do so). Erasculio 20:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd turn it into a disambig page with links to both Protective Was Kaolai and item spell. -- Gordon Ecker 00:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone use "pot" to refer to item spells in general? I've heard PwK referred to as pot upwards of a hundred times, but I've never heard any other item spell (nor item spells in general) ever called "pot." We would have an inaccurate disambig page if we were "documenting" that people use a term when they don't. - Auron 01:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

People say "drop a pot" when they want you to drop Protective Was Kaolai. It's like people saying "GvG" when they want to Guild Versus Guild. &mdash;  Skakid  01:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO, that's really odd. But, I don't run in circles where that may/may not be said, so I'll just bow out. --JonTheMon 02:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Nobody uses pot to mean anything but pwk" is false. Simple as that. Backsword 10:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * According to... who, exactly? All high-end players use pot to mean pwk. Nobody else uses pot to mean anything. If you have evidence, please feel free to show it, but all I've seen is general bitching - the fact that nobody can name another skill that's referred to as "pot" is just proof of my claim.
 * If pot had a meaning that was agreed upon, why the hell wasn't there already a redirect? If "Nobody uses pot to mean anything but pwk," is so "flase," surely a redirect would have been made to the skill it is referring to? No. No redirect was made, and nobody has suggested a more accurate solution to the page than a simple redirect. Making it a disambig would be misleading because, as I've stated, pot isn't used to refer to ash spells in general. Unless you're aware of people calling other ashes "pot," please stop bitching about a non-issue. - Auron 11:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some people have been refering to the urnlike bundles as "pots" since Factions came out. I doubt you've missed that. Is prestige that important to you? Backsword 11:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What does prestige have to do with documenting the game? People call PwK pot. Like I said on pot's talk page, the skill is very meta - pretty much every ritualist primary and many ritualist secondaries have it. Because of its popularity, it gets a nickname. None of the other ashes are used nearly as often, so it follows they they don't get a nickname.
 * I've heard ash spells referred to as... ash spells. Sometimes ashes. Never as pot. If it was used since factions, surely someone would have made a redirect by now. If I'd ever heard the term used, I would have. - Auron 11:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Pot came into usage because of PwK. It came when rit runners became meta. It refers to PwK. This also comes from the fact that no one ever uses any other bloody Item Spell, except recently PwLM has seen some use. I don't count the channeling ones, they are only used in HA and you drop them on recharge so no one would ever tell you to drop the pot. The reason you would be told to drop the pot with PwK is because you are probably holding it a lot. There are other terms such as double potting as well. Pot = PwK, not any other bloody pot. Misery 11:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * So... where was the redirect for Urn? Given that you linked to a picture of a urn. Backsword 11:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Common usage overrides common sense to be honest. Pot = PwK, ashes = any other random ashes that no one ever uses. PwLM gets referred to as Li Ming because Li Ming is an assload easier to pronounce than Kaolai, which I still don't fucking know how to say. Misery 11:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody calls PwK "urn." They call it "pot." Why would I have made a redirect from urn? - Auron 13:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd probably pronounce it cow-lie. Just what i think in my mind. --JonTheMon 13:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I still call it koala. - Auron 14:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

o.O Seriously. Auron used the term, I asked him to create a redirect. If you have a problem with it, bring it up on the related talk page, don't make it into a personal mission against Auron :/ - anja   15:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Wonder why you still play gw?
Anything to Balance what's bad in gw according to your opinion? -- S ilverleaf   Don't assume, ask! 13:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So much could be done, so little will be done, and as a consequence, ANet will lose a crapload of money. Why hasn't Spoil Victor been fixed in PvP yet? 75.182.89.73 14:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Must be something that keeps you here though, something good. Maybe that balances your point of view even though skill balance is a big complaint by a lot of gw-pedians? -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 14:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Anet won't lose a crapload of money. Even if people leave, most will be back for GW2, and they already have the money for GW1. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 14:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Company core business is Box Sales, everything they do for gw1 is "service". -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 14:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC) I'm not sure the PvP players will be back...But I think GW became far less than what it could have been, PvP-wise. From the beginning PvP had some problems (it was extremely funny watching the outcry when Prophecies was released and Balthazar's Faction didn't exist, so people had to play PvE in order to unlock things), and more and more flaws were added as the new chapters were released. Erasculio 14:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree, wyn - a great number are never coming back. Too many have left for good to say that "most" will come back. I'd say most of the PvPers simply won't. Most of the PvErs I am close to are of a similar mind - Anet has showed nothing but incompetence recently. Bugs have appeared and aren't being addressed, even the urgent ones that are breaking the game as we speak.
 * Back when Signet of Ghostly Might came out, it was a huge bug, but it only lasted a day. ANet patched it as fast as they coded it, and even though it was ultimately their fault for not testing it before putting it on live, it was obvious that they were watching for problems. This Spoil Victor/Amulet of Protection bug has been on live for longer than a week.
 * They've proven that they are incapable of adding content to a game without destroying the game's balance. Every single new mechanic has either been nerfed or is still imbalanced. Shadowsteps were nerfed. Popular combos were nerfed, along with their IAS skills. Spirits were nerfed several times. Weapon spells remain imbalanced. Dervishes as a whole are imbalanced, and have not been reworked. Paragon's leadership attribute was imbalanced, and instead of fixing it, ANet nerfed two perfectly good skills. Shouts and chants are still imbalanced, with only 1 counter - a counter only viable in a hex heavy build. The only new "mechanic" they didn't fail majorly on was Cracked Armor, and that's because they didn't include it into the game as much as they could have. They only added it to a few skills and made it only affect a few classes, so it was the only new "mechanic" they've made that was simply impossible to abuse. Is that good balance? Absolutely not! ANet has not given assassins any good options now that the insta-gib combos don't work, and now that shadowstepping is nerfed, why do they leave all those skills in their useless state? Why not rework the skills instead of leaving the class in the dust? That all reflects on ArenaNet's ability to design new mechanics and maintain balance, and their nerfs-without-buffs cat and mouse game they played for months after does nothing to reassure me that they're capable of fixing a mistake once they've made it.
 * Why do I still play? Firstly, because I'm stupid. I see so many problems with the game and the changes ANet makes, yet I don't ever lose faith. Second, I'm still sort of addicted. I can put it down for a few months, but after beating a few other games and not finding a really solid community for them, I get bored and move on quickly. Lastly, I remain because of friends. I have two close friends that started playing within the last year, and they call or IM me to log on so we can play. Aside from them, I've met a bunch of people that I'd hate to lose contact with - mostly people I've PvPd with that are fun to talk to. Two years of doing Heroes' Ascent has made my friends list quite large, and many of the people on it don't have AIM or MSN - often, Guild Wars is simply an instant messaging client I use to talk to folks :P
 * I don't play as much as I used to. I used to spend every waking moment outside of school and music playing GW. Now, I've got school, work, and other games to hold my interest - Team Fortress 2 is one of my favorites. All that combined with Guild Wars becoming steadily worse is basically putting a cramp on my desire to play it anymore.
 * On an unrelated note, I'd like to register my amusement that the PvE crowd thinks ANet's changes are focused on PvP, while the PvP crowd thinks the changes are focused on PvE. ANet can't balance either, so both crowds should stop bitching at each other and start brainstorming for better solutions. - Auron 15:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ANet's changing anything? 75.182.89.73 18:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You need two more paragraphs, one starting with W and one starting with N to make it cool. --Xeeron 19:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * i second that proposal. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.png|18px]] 19:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess I have a totally different view of the game than so many. Everyone is crying about balance. I don't really care about balance. I want a game that is fun to play, that has a relatively interesting story, that has stuff that will fill my time and challenge me. I have taken every profession through all the campaigns and have not been terribly bothered by this imbalance that people go on and on about. Yes, I do NOT pvp... ever... getting dragged into AB is like having someone shove splinters under my fingernails, so for hard core pvp players, I'm sure these balance issues have some merit. Yes, after over 10,000 play hours in pve, it's getting a bit stale, and like you, I am here for the people. But there are still things in GW that I have a lot of fun doing, DOA being at the top of that list. I do however believe that a great majority of the people who have stopped playing GW will indeed be back for GW2, for the simple fact they want to know if taking most of the developers away from GW has paid off, hoping to be pleasantly surprised. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * For most people, "a game that is fun to play" requires not being instantly rolled in HA or GvG by people with a thousandth your skill coupled with a lack of ability to similarly roll the hardest areas in the game. 75.182.89.73 19:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

from noticeboard - abusive sysop
Don't know where to put this, if it gets removed he probaly did it, if I get banned he probaly did it. Anyway, Auron is an EXTREMELY abusive Sysop and should NOT have the current powers that he has. I've had him on my ignore in-game for four months, I took him off today because I needed to make room. Well, the MINUTE I take him off he starts pasting me an essay. I have provided SEVERAL screenshots of which I would like something to be done. Please strip this users current powers as he is OBVIOUSLY not mature enough to have them.

LINKS: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw015.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw016.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw017.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw018.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw019.jpg

And the irony that I loved "You play with NOBODY, I play r12+ daily!" ... and I'm monking for Chamalee--Ñö Ẋ  ĭƑý'  01:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was in-game. It has no correlation to the wiki. You'd do well to learn that.
 * I mean every word of it, but it really has no place on the wiki - it is a personal fued, if you'd like to call it that, but nothing that concerns the wiki at all. I don't understand why you keep trying to spill it over. - Auron 01:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * +1 to Auron. --71.229.253.172 01:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * As I sed over there: MONKING FOR GANK OBABY. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 01:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to say... Good god Auron, we all have lifes, Izzy gets paid, his employees go to families, etc. it's just a competitive game like any other.--ShadowFog 03:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You have no idea what you're talking about. Please don't say anything in ignorance. Thanks. - Auron 03:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem.--ShadowFog 03:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't know where to put this, if it gets removed he probaly did it, if I get banned he probaly did it. Anyway, Auron is an EXTREMELY abusive Sysop and should NOT have the current powers that he has. I've had him on my ignore in-game for four months, I took him off today because I needed to make room. Well, the MINUTE I take him off he starts pasting me an essay. I have provided SEVERAL screenshots of which I would like something to be done. Please strip this users current powers as he is OBVIOUSLY not mature enough to have them.

LINKS: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw015.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw016.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw017.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw018.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/acerangerpat/gw019.jpg

And the irony that I loved "You play with NOBODY, I play r12+ daily!" ... and I'm monking for Chamalee--Ñö Ẋ  ĭƑý'  01:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was in-game. It has no correlation to the wiki. You'd do well to learn that.
 * I mean every word of it, but it really has no place on the wiki - it is a personal fued, if you'd like to call it that, but nothing that concerns the wiki at all. I don't understand why you keep trying to spill it over. - Auron 01:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * MONKING FOR GANK OBABY. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 01:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree that in game issues have nothing to do with the wiki. If you can point out where on the wiki Auron has violated policy/abused his position, you could request a reconfirmation. This is NOT an issue that belongs on the noticeboard. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 01:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And, Auron, you would be wise to remember this:


 * While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason.


 * as per of your agreement to Arenanet and NcSoft which you agree to to allow you to play Guild Wars. Just an FYI.  If you can't follow rules in-game, one can't expect you to follow rules (such as those of the wiki).  000.00.00.00 01:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Too be honest those screenshots may well be out of context, we don't know what provoked them and either way it is unrelated to the wiki and Auron's conduct here. And anyhow the correct avenue for any complaints is to request a reconfirmation, not to try and stir up trolling on the noticeboard. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 02:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron has not abused his Sysop privileges, it's more or less as simple as that. There are no grounds for any sort of action, much less de-Sysoption.  As far as 000 00 00 00's comment is concerned, even if we act on the premise that Auron's sole intention was to harass NoXiFy and was thus an infringement of the agreement, it's absolutely fallacious to assume that that has any bearing on this wiki.  That's essentially the equivalent of saying, "well, you've never committed a felony, but I did see you driving 3 mph over the speed limit, therefore I can't expect you not to commit a felony, so I'm just gonna go ahead and lock you up."  [[Image:User Defiant Elements Sig Image.JPG|19x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  02:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Report with the Arena Net tickets. Provide evidence of Harassment and Arena Net will surely either ban him or blocked him for a while. In case Im going to send you this same reply to your talk page.--ShadowFog 02:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Shadowfog, you and Noxify exemplify what is wrong with this wiki. --76.25.197.215 02:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't get what are you trying to say. I'm helping him with his in game problem.--ShadowFog 02:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rule-enforced mediocracy. Noxify has not ever said a single correct thing (as far as I've seen), but he's so stubborn and argumentative in being wrong that the only way to make him sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up is to break the rules.  That's the mediocracy bit.  You're the rule-enforced bit (the mediocre bit too, but that doesn't apply here).  You care so fucking much about the rules being followed that you're doing everything you can to make sure Noxify follows the procedure.  Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that you have such a hard-on for following the exact letter of the rule that you care even more about this than he does.  And by your powers of dogged mediocrity and obsessive rules-whoring, I am a wiki that is ruled by shitheads and rules-lawyers. --76.25.197.215 03:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's say what you say is true. Does that justify harassing a player?--ShadowFog 03:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. The player is bad, egotistical, and obsessively outspoken, and the harassing is a necessary part of making him shut the fuck up and realize he's bad.  It's called "pulling rank". --76.25.197.215 03:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The affected player then has right to report according to NC Soft policies. Link.--ShadowFog 03:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Guys, this is getting a bit out of hand. What happened happened. I think its best if we took a breather and discussed how to deal with this calmly. The abusive comments and general trolling happening here is not helping matters. --  Wandering   Traveler  03:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is going no where. Please leave in-game matters in-game. We would ask the same to keep wiki matters only at the wiki. If you have a problem contact . They can do much more to solve this problem then we can. 96.53.221.132 03:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there a reason this section exists? This is the talk page of the admin noticeboard. Admins on this wiki have nothing to do with in-game matters. Notifying sysops here does absolutely nothing except disrupt the wiki. If he feels I've acted wrongly in-game, he can file a support ticket. It isn't his place to post about it on the wiki. Noxify is a troll, and he has succeeded admirably in trolling people like ShadowFog. His entire goal here was to stir people up - he isn't an active contributor to the wiki, and obviously doesn't know where to post information. The proper response to his trolling would have been moving it to his user talk page (because it is at most a user dispute) and reminding him to file a support ticket. I guess you can file a support ticket too, but I doubt he's too stupid to figure out how to do so himself. Since it didn't involve anyone else, other people filing support tickets seems silly and redundant - if it has nothing to do with you (and especially if you have no idea what's going on), stay out of it. If you're reporting me out of spite, remember that constitutes harassment, and you're guilty of the same thing you're reporting me for. Don't be hypocrites. But mostly, don't get trolled so hard. You can't take anything on the internet this seriously. - Auron 03:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * At this time I would like to say that I know Auron in real life. He hates me and constantly sucker punches me whenever he's within arms reach. He regularly steals beer from the local supermarket and then throws the empty bottles at me and my friends when we walk past. His language is yet even more abusive than his physical violence and on numerous occaisons has threatened to kill my pets and "stab my mother with a sharpened screwdriver". I know he hasn't done anything on here to abuse his power or violate policies, but seeing as he behaves badly in other places, I think it's essential that he be punished and ostrichsized here rather than me going to the proper authorities like I should. Also, if you could please ask him to stop trying to set my porch on fire, I'd be much appreciative. Thanks! Mr J 12:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron I'm deeply disapointed in ur mean and outrageous behaviour. --Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 13:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's true. And one time he stole my lunch money! I filed a support ticket with Arenanet, but they said they couldn't help me! :( Mr J 13:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron is a meanie. --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 14:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

auron is noob luck lamer iway tig 86.146.223.80 14:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

auron sux lol &mdash;  Skakid  23:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * i no :( - Auron 00:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron's just pissed cause bad players think they're good when they cheat and beat him. Maybe you should all stop playing sway, you'll get flamed by good players less.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * lol shard. time + sway = fame -> deer -> wolf -> tiger = profit. --Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 12:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Above section
Not sure you need to have both moved tags, since the stuff off the main page got moved to the talk page, so its existing doubly in the above convo. did that make sense? &mdash; Seru    Talk 04:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It made sense. I had to go make dinner as I made the second one, so I didn't have long to think about options. I considered making the noticeboard redirect to my talk as was done originally, but I didn't have time to actually do it. - Auron 05:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not a troll and am NOT an idiot. I'm actually a freshman at MIT... so I really could give two fucks about what you have to say. Just like the US Government, people with power become CORRUPT.--Ñö Ẋ  ĭƑý'  12:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps instead of demonstrating your intelligence by citing which college you were accepted into you could demonstrate your intelligence by not having a pointless debate about how Auron is treating you in game, which is completely unrelated to this wiki, on this wiki. Misery 12:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Governor Spitzer hired $1000 prostitutes. That's unrelated to the Governors job, is it not? He still would've been kicked from office had he not resigned several days earlier. Auron, called me a "nigger" and more racial slurs in game. If Gaile Gray called someone a "nigger" in-game (surely she would NEVER do this), she would SURELY be in trouble within Anet as she represents the company. You Auron, are discriminating someone in game, this wiki is for... well, that GAME. Your actions there are IN MY OPINION applicable here.--Ñö Ẋ  ĭƑý'  12:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see... the difference here is that Spitzer didn't break the law on GUILD WARS and get punished in REAL LIFE. You can see the difference, can't you? Mr J 13:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Noxify have you actually reported the above In Game offence using the system.  If you have, then have they punished Auron somehow?- TheRave [[Image:User_TheRave_sig.png]] (talk) 13:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is hiring a prostitute illegal in said state? Last I heard calling you a nigger wasn't illegal. You take very different vows and take on very different responsibilities when you are a Governor and when you are a sysop on a wiki for a game on the internet. Please, continue to make ridiculous comparisons then complain about people suggesting you are not intelligent. It is highly amusing. Arenanet may or may not have a problem with the way Auron is "representing them", but so far the wiki in general, including other sysops hasn't given a rat's ass what Auron says to you in game and my understanding is that Arenanet more or less decided to leave the running of this site to the community. Misery 13:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused. I looked at those screenshots. Why does low or no rank immediately equal a terrible player? Seriously?-  Vang uard  02:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In this case, having low to no rank is a side effect of being a terrible player. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're any good, you get in good teams, and thusly get lots of fame easily. If you're bad, nobody wants you, so you stay a low rank for a long time. There are some baddies who are high ranked, but in general, I'd take a high-ranked pug over a low-ranked one simply because they're better (they've played the bars more often and in a higher level of competition, and they're more familiar with the map types). - Auron 03:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.-  Vang uard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 04:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest he likes to harp on other people cause it took him 3 years to get a tiger and I'm r8 after a year and a half. I also have Champion rank 1 which made him roll over in his grave and scream 'OMG UR BAD U BOUGHT ACCOUNT" because he has never gvg'd in his life :(--Ñö Ẋ  ĭƑý' [[Image:User_NoXiFy_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 21:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Either learn who you're talking about and speak properly or stop lying. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 22:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nox - don't ever post on my talk page again. You're a bad liar and a bad troll. You've said nothing true in the entire time I've known you (you ranted about how I've never beaten your team, except you evidently don't let reality get in the way of your delusions - I've beaten you with balanced vs your gimmick teams on several occasions). Lastly, stop with the personal attacks - I'm honestly surprised you haven't gotten a ban for them already (since I'd have banned you for them by now, and indeed I will if you continue with them). I have nothing to say to you, and since the quality of your posts here is next to nothing (read; bad lying and bad trolling), I have to assume you have nothing to say to me either. Have a good day. - Auron 00:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I haven't even owned Guild Wars for 3 years. It can't possibly have taken me that long to get a tiger. Check your facts before spouting off incorrect bullshit :< - Auron 00:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's pretty hard to get r8 running shitway 24/7. These insults are coming from the guy who flamed the team who flawlessed him for being sway because they had a taint. Champ titles are pretty serious, are you a strong N/A? &mdash;  Skakid  17:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Auron
Unlike what Wynthyst points out, I don't have a personal feud against you or anyone, it is a fact that quote was from your postings. If you want the quote to be removed I'll do it by your request, please answer as soon as you can.--Wealedout 14:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, my only problem is that I don't see how it's being used. It is indeed a quote from me, but it is taken out of context and mangled beyond belief. Maybe if you shed some light on how you're intending it to come across I'll understand it better. - Auron 23:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand your say on this, I'll remove the quote, my intention was this:I'm not a mod,I will never say to anyone stop making shit up. I'll never attain an authoritative representative position in which I'll use profanity as part of my ideas. That was my take on it because that particular discussion might be very eye opening for some users thus help them in their writing.--Wealedout 01:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can keep it I think. I was just trying to understand why you were using it.
 * I'd write a long rant on why I use profanity, but most people who think it's a bad thing to begin with don't ever listen, so meh. I'll just stick with "it's part of the English language and I use it in my everyday speech irl." - Auron 03:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I would be interested in this speech. If you can include a paragraph or two on how Izzy fails at balancing because he doesn't use sufficient profanity, that'd be pretty awesome too. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * lol... - Auron 03:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was serious. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "an authoritative representative position" -- sorry, which position are you talking about here? --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 16:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd love to read a rant on that subject. Though the "They're just words" is my default arguement as well. And other variants.-  Vang uard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 16:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I know Vanguard... lol, they take these too seriously.--ShadowFog 18:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, speaking from both a general linguistic and sociolinguistic perspective, swear words (or curse words or whatever you want to call them) are a fascinating subject. There are several books on them that you can find easily, so I'd recommend reading one or two if you're really interested. Kokuou 00:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Template Theft!
Mind If I steal your stole'd template? For some reason Lensor's is stretching way the fuck out on my pages. Not sure if it's just me and browser or monitor size, but just wondered if I could test it out.-  Vang uard  03:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. - Auron 03:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Guh, converting is a lot of work D: -  Vang uard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 03:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

hello --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:To Kill A Sockingbird (talk).

Dawhozawhat...?
So why was I suddenly booted from my IRC stalking position? o_O --  Wandering   Traveler  01:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC) [15:09:52] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:10:33] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #gww [15:21:09] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [15:22:08] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #gww [15:35:10] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:37:10] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #gww [15:39:10] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:41:30] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #gww [15:48:09] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [15:49:02] * WT (~Scott@c-ip.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #gww ^ - Auron 02:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Geh, stupid IP conflict...Sorry about that. Thanks for blocking me then ^.^ I'll try to fix that issue.... --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  02:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was a 5 minute timed ban. Clients that automatically rejoin are often thrown off sync by a ban. - Auron 02:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, more then likely. I've been having IP conflicts with another system at home, so my internets been jumping on and off...which is what probably caused this. Needless to say, I'll probably be staying off IRC to avoid that conflict until its resolved. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  02:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unplug and replug in the router/modem. Its most likely the router is set to reserve a IP for a computer for ever and it got its 15 ips used up. Usually xp fixes its self with that, vista on the other hand needs its hand feed. Dominator Matrix  06:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem: I'm on XP. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  19:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Auron
is nigger (Offensive material is contained is this link, please be aware of this before visiting the page). OHMANDIDIOFFENDYOUWITHRACIALSLURSSORRY.

...Yeah, to non-Auron, etc, peoples, if you clicked that link, you should have hovered over it first...

-- Armond Warblade 06:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wanted to see what was so great about it, so I fixed the link. I couldn't stand to go past about 1/6th of it. I think I'm scarred for life. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 20:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The word itself was offensive enough. If the content behind that link is offensive too do you really want to post it here? -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 20:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's a reason I've never looked at that link. Also, rules of the internet: There is always more fucked up shit than what you just saw.
 * Silverleaf, the word isn't offensive in this context. Don't try to remove it. And yeah, I'll post the link - it's called a joke, and there's more than sufficient warning telling people not to click it. If they do so, that's their own fault. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 20:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw where it linked to...and yet I still clicked *shudders*. I managed to make it to the bottom, but I started scrolling quite fast... ~PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg|19px]] <font color="#9400D3">Talk </B> 20:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ........... --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  20:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How fortunate that visitors of all age-/cultural groups come to this wiki. -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 21:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "12+" =/= all ages. plus not everyone has the interwbs. <B><font color="#4F94CD">~PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg|19px]] <font color="#9400D3">Talk </B> 21:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "12+" =/= all ages means curiosity. And I forgot to mention religious visitors might be unintentionally be confronted with distastefull content? Is that what we promote here or on any other wiki? -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 21:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If they've taken the time to find Auron's page, and they've not looked at all the warnings about the link, then by god let's cull them. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 21:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Recent Changes you mean? -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 22:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't try to tell me your average wiki browser ever looks at recent changes. I'd estimate perhaps 5% of the people who look at GWW ever actually use RC. -- Armond Warblade 22:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * i so want my sig to link there, i <3 ED :D <font color="Black">Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 23:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ITT; reality means nothing. Obviously every religious nut has my talk page watchlisted.
 * But to counter "Is that what we promote here," user space is not official. Nothing in userspace is "what we promote here." As far as the wiki goes, all that really exists is main space and the ArenaNet portal. You aren't representing anyone whenever you post on a talk page - the wiki isn't at fault if some religious nut somehow stumbles across my talk page, follows the link to another page on the internet, and is offended. If they are that hypersensitive, they need to set up nanny software to block offensive sites - I guarantee Encyclopedia Dramatica is blocked by most of them. - Auron 04:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Armond, I can now tick off "Explodified Penis" and "Naked chick cutting a guys head off with a hacksaw" off my list of things I never wanted to see. Ah the wonders of the internet.-- scourge  [[Image:User_Scourge_Signature.png|19px|rawr!]] 09:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Explodified eh? - Auron 09:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Explodified, when Exploded just isn't enough. -- scourge  [[Image:User_Scourge_Signature.png|19px|rawr!]] 09:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tbh, my page links to wincest. I'm amazed that it hasn't been censured yet. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  15:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

What
do you call a black man flying an airplane? -- Armond Warblade 22:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A pilot, or possibly an aviator. Troll less, plzkthx. - Tanetris 23:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Damn. I wanted to call someone racist. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 00:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You call him Roger. - Auron 03:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing user pages. You are exactly the type of person that ruins these pages.
Stop trolling and participating/encouraging in offtopic discussion You don't need to post 20+ times about monks being "picked on." If you want to rant about random untrue crap, create an account and put it in your userspace. ArenaNet doesn't need to read it - leave it off ArenaNet talk pages. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:98.215.50.53 (talk).


 * Tbh, he has a userspace section for it, and he ignores 90% of what goes on in the ANet talk pages anyway. But I'll give you a cookie anyway, if you want. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 02:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The anon just copy-pasted what Auron posted here. It doesn't really make sense directed at auron.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 09:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Ups. Critical thinking: 1, anon: 0. - Auron 06:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

pvx
that phenax guy is a fucking joke of an admin tbh. I don't really give a shit what you do about it, but thought I would give you a heads up. powder is bitchin', time to board. wheeeeeeeee -- Readem 21:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ok - Auron 22:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry about Kakarot's vote. He was still eligible in my time zone, I just forgot that the elections ran on UTC. Thanks for reverting it back, though. Kokuou 21:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing you did at first. "wth he's a sysop, how can he *not* have 100 contributions?" - Auron 05:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

youre right about
fire magic though : Lilondra  *gale*  10:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)