Talk:The Battle for Kyhlo: The Final Hour

I disagree with Zealots of Shiverpeaks directly linking to the actual guild page here. Even though the name is undoubtly a reference to that guild, the lore piece itself is not about the player guild. It'd be like ANet posting a story about Corporal Luluh tomorrow, and we linked it to Johann Tang's userpage. It's simply trivia, they are indeed the inspiration for the name, but they're not the actual person/guild being talked about in the story. It's misleading and it's simply not true.

I'm not going to completely remove the reference at this time, but I am going to turn it in a footnote, making it clear that this is simply a trivia reference. --Dirigible 19:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)


 * They are indeed the ACTUAL guild being talked about. This is the ACTUAL GUILD that they are talking about. --White Wasabi
 * Who of your guildies fought against Mordakai and Devona? When did your guild attack Kyhlo? That's exactly the problem, do not confuse lore with what's actually in the game, because there's a huge difference. --Dirigible 20:40, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
 * To be fair, the policy does just say "Strongly curtailing links from the main article space. Links are only allowed from official mentions of guilds, such as from articles on official tournaments." This is an official ArenaNet article mentioning a guild =P On the other hand, having the links embedded in the article itself wherever it says "Zealot" seems, at least to me, to confuse lore with reality. I have no problem with, and encourage, a link to the ZoS page on here - I just don't think we should have a dozen of them. I kind of like the way that Dirigible took care of it, but it should probably be a little more prominent, IMO MisterPepe talk 20:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Here is a Quote from Andrew Patrick, a Community Coordinator at ArenaNet: "Official lore is official lore, be it in the game, or part of the backstory. This is official lore, from www.guildwars.com as part of the backstory for the character 'Devona' and, as you can read in the story, our guild is indeed mentioned as the attacking guild." --White Wasabi


 * You're missing the point. It's not about whether your guild is the one mentioned (Yes, I know it is - though you are quoting your guild leader =P) The point is the Guild Wars Wiki policies involved severely limit this sort of linkage. MisterPepe talk 15:46, 15 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Thought experiment: lets assume that there is a rollerbeetle named Izzy, and that at some point in the future ANet decides to write a story about how that rollerbeetle single-handedly vanquished the Charr, Asura and Luxon armies. Is the story about our Izzy? Is the story telling the life of ANet's skill balancer? It isn't. The same applies to the ZoS guild. Don't confuse lore with "reality" (if I can use that term with a videogame). Lore is lore, you can ride dragons and punch down mountains, you can jump a hundred meters in the air and you can stay a year without eating or drinking just to prove a point to the evil sorcerer who's holding your princess hostage... it's fictional, which is what separates it from our "reality", from what we players actually do and in which we take part when we log on to play the game.


 * That's why I'd even disagree that the ZoS player guild is the one mentioned in the lore piece. It may be modeled after them, it may have their guild's name, but it's still not about them. Do feel free to point out to me where is the part about Wasabi meteor showering Devona or Andrew Patrick hacking to pieces Mordakai, or you guys using your Guild Thief to get in Kyhlo. Do feel free to tell me who of your guildies has actually taken part in these battles.


 * Yes, I know I'm being literal to the extreme, but that's the point! If you say that your player guild is the one they're talking about in the story, then you are also saying that your player guild did all those things, you are also being literal to an extreme, the opposite one. Leaving it as a footnote is the compromise, the middle ground which takes the "literal extreme" part out, and leaves the reference to your guild there. --Dirigible 16:31, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

'''Our guild, [ZoS] came before that lore was written. The person who wrote it, wrote it specifically because he was grateful for what members of our guild were doing for the game.''' I am fine with the way it is now. But I wanted the FACTS to be known. --White Wasabi
 * Glad you're ok with the way it's now, I'll change the other Kyhlo articles to this form as well. --Dirigible 18:02, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

While your at it....heh. ZoS Shivros Channel is also a refrence to our guild. I added a bit of info but I am not sure that is in the proper format. Thanks for the help BTW. --White Wasabi
 * The Zos Shivros Channel mention looks ok to me, since it's already in a Trivia subsection. And anytime. --Dirigible 06:42, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

How Burian dies
Someone should rephrase it to: "as they soaked up fresh blood from a deepwound --Ʀєʟʟɑ 05:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

er.....why? and why you guys gotta make teh mordakai die? he good guy...joo mean :P--Ra ph  Tal ky  19:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

chosen link
shouldent that lead to Ascalons Chosen instead of the chosen as in flameseeker prophecies chosen im pretty sure thats what it means--Lord randy taylor 05:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)