Talk:Allegiance rank

Champion of the Luxons?
First time I've ever seen one: Screenshot

Is there already a Champion of the Kurzicks or Defender of Luxon/Kurzicks? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.60.241.168 (talk &bull; contribs) 08:16, 11 March 2007 (PST).


 * wow me too. ive heard tho that theres already savior of kurzicks. savior of luxons still none. 58.71.15.98 20:31, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * There is a Savior of the Luxon, I can't remember the name but I spotted the title in the Grenz Frontier(Luxon)--Sum Mesmer Guy 21:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you be ranked in both Kurzick and Luxon at the same time? [i.e. Savior of the Kurzicks (6) and Savior of the Luxons (6)]
 * Yes, you can have both the Kurzick and Luxon titles.--Bane of Worlds (talk • contribs) 16:27, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
 * No You cannot. As soon as you gain the first title towards one faction. It is impossible to gain progress towards the other. For example, I have the level 3 Kurzick title. Transferring luxon faction to a luxon guild will not give me any points towards a title.24.141.119.95 22:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know where there is a screenshot of someone with both title tracks going. - B e X  02:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can have both titles. Progress in either title will increase as you spend either side's earned faction. Absolut 18:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can have both titles. Just don't try and earn faction points at the same time, since you lose faction points(but not allegiance points) when you convert them. Example: Bob the Luxon, has 5000 faction with Luxon, and 5000 with Kurzick. He deposits those points in his guild, towards his Luxon allegiance title track. He earns 10000 Luxon allegiance, but loses 5000 faction with Kurzick. Now he had 0 with Luxon and 0 with Kurzick. Now he goes, does a couple of quests, and earns 1000 Kurzick faction which he uses to buy some amber. This would add 1000 allegiance to the title. Since he had no points in Luxon faction, he doesn't lose anything. He now has: 10000 Luxon allegiance and 1000 Kurzick allegiance, 0 Luxon faction, 0 Kurzick faction. He can now go and earn points as he sees fit, as long as he's not greedy and tries to play both sides of the fence at the same time. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.85.0.71 (talk &bull; contribs) 09:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC).

Whut?
Notes


 * It is currently not known which title ranks the allegiance skills' green numbers correspond to.

Heh, what? That's supposed to be the title in the article where this is said, this very article? -- Helena 07:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The newly added PvE skills connected to this title, yes? - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  08:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It refers to the progression range. I rephrased it slightly to make it clearer, but it's still kind of awkward. -- Gordon Ecker 22:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Luxon supporter or Supporter of Luxons
According to my title panel, the first rank is called "Luxon Supporter" (though I haven't gained the first rank yet) but here it's called "Supporter of the Luxons". Is this a mistype or can anyone confirm the real name? - anja    (contribs)  10:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can confirm the Kurzick one is called Kurzick Supporter. - B e X  13:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, what's with the note in the article about a bug? I've seen someone wearing rank 1 Kurzick and it said Kurzick Supporter. - B e X  05:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Then where did we get "Supporter of the X" from? I'll just switch it to "X Supporter" and remove the note. If anyone can source "Supporter of the X", feel free to re-add the note. -- Gordon Ecker 06:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think an anon added it. - B e X  06:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Get your title in half the time!
Purchasing skills doubles your points toward the title. Once you've bought all of the skills for one character, create a new PvE char, go to the Guild Hall, and buy the skills again. Since earned faction (the 10,000 you see in the H panel) is across your account, you can keep farming with a primary character. You can keep deleting and creating new character to buy the skills over and over, thus doubling the spent faction for your titles. Enjoy :) Absolut 18:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooh, that's cunning, thanks for that. -- Lemming64 00:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I figured as much but can't really play much this weekend. Dunno if this will stay this way or not.--Bane of Worlds (talk • contribs) 03:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! New update makes the title points double for any alliance deposit!  Wonderful (Absolut 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC))
 * Did anyone get more faction after the update without doing anything, for the jade and amber they've gotten so far? Cause it feels a bit unfair that I haven't got any points towards my title for all the jade and amber I've bought so far, I've already bought a whole set of Elite Luxon armor and one part of Elite Kurzick for example, without buying a sinlge piece of jade or amber for money, traded it all for faction. So, it would have been nice to get those now at the update. Does anyone know if that is going to happen? -- Helena 08:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It wasn't added retroactively. I'd like them to, but I doubt it would, because while you can see how much your account has earned with the mouseover, that amount isn't technically the amount you've donated (ie shrine blessings, loss from trading into other faction). - B e X  10:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Now you get double towards your title also when you trade them in for allegiance (ok, so I forget the word). As most things, it would be nice it that too were retroactive, but hey, not likely given the technical complications. Oh well, at least it's faster now! Alaris 13:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This no longer works, PvE characters now need to be lvl 20 to recieve the skills, eliminating the "speed" of this technique. Puk 11:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Selfless Spirit
formula: ( (at15-at0) / 15 ) * rank + at0.

The green numbers refer to at0..at15 poke | talk 13:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit) this refers only to the Signet of Illusion test. poke | talk 13:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

discussion
I got 48% for Triple Shot with Kurzick Supporter title. -Smurf 23:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If above is true, include a 0 Attribute? for full range of skills green numbers--Jason 00:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Kurzick and Luxon versions
Apparently the Kurzick and Luxon versions of the skills have different icons. Does this mean that there's actually 20 different skills? Can you put both versions on your skillbar at the same time? -- Gordon Ecker 23:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaile has answered these questions. Yes, there are actually 20 different skills, no, there is some code which prevents you from having both versions on your skillbar at the same time. -- Gordon Ecker 02:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

"It is currently not known which title rank range the allegiance skills' green numbers correspond to."
Umm...what??--§ Eloc  §  22:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed it, the green numbers cover a rank range of 0...10. See User:Torak321/Test --Torak321 00:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Allegiance Progression vs. Normal Progression
I have done some testing and experimenting with Allegiance ranks vs. Normal attributes, and I have discovered that Allegiance skill numbers go from 0...10...12, comparable with 0...12...15 for normal attributes and 0...8...10 for Sunspear rank skills.

I compared Vital Boon, Eternal Aura, and Summon Spirits (all are 40...88) and have constructed the above table by comparing all 3 progressions together and matching up allegiance ranks and sunspear ranks with normal attributes. See User:Torak321/Test. The progression tables there should be 100% correct. Please notify me if I'm missing something or if something is wrong =/ --Torak321 01:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Which icon Picture should we be using?
As stated previously in this there are essentially 20 different skills, with an icon image for the kurzick ones and another different icon image for the luxon ones. As there is two different images for each skill which picture for the skills should we be using the luxon or kurzick version? At the moment all of them have the Kurzick version, but what about the luxon images? Should we not make these available as well? The Great Tomato 19:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that of course both should be shown. Why not simply put them beside each other? --  H elena  [[Image:user-helena-ranger-icon-small.png]] 20:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I second that. Alaris 01:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There may be an issue with the way the template is coded, and while we don't want to pick sides, the faction with statistically the most aligned players is the Kurzicks, so I suppose that takes precedence. However, I suppose you could put a request for this on GWW:TECH so when the page loads, there is a 50% chance of either loading. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Why would we prioritize one group of players?! No, let's just not use the template, if that's the thing limiting us. It's very easy to get the same output without the template, and equally easy to just put another image in if you don't use the template. Just do it like this:


 * [[Image:Selfless Spirit.jpg|20px]] [[Image:Selfless Spirit.jpg|20px]] Selfless Spirit
 * (and replace the second image). Or just remove the icons and have just text. :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 14:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What about using 3 images (Example: Selfless Spirit): Image:Selfless Spirit (Kurzick).jpg, Image:Selfless Spirit (Luxon).jpg and Image:Selfless Spirit.jpg which is a skill icon with doubled width. Left side: Kurzick icon; right side: Luxon icon (because of their geographical position). The skill infobox should work with a 128x64px skill icon and so we could show both skill icons. poke | talk 12:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Cleverthead! --  H elena  [[Image:user-helena-ranger-icon-small.png]] 14:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of combining the icons into one, bring it up on the skill formatting page! - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 15:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * is there a reason this wasn't implemented? are images not available or something? -- VVong | BA 13:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Now waiting for cache :P poke | talk 23:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I like it! Good job! - [[Image:User-Helena-sig.png|talk]] helena  06:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Err.. any reason why they're not side-by-side instead? I know top-bottom looks good on skill pages, but the line-spacing disruption is bad. Having a side-by-side version is better. Put the Kurzick one on the left and the Luxon on the right. Why Kurzick left? The reason I always use is because "K" comes before "L". -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 07:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I also thought of maybe having separate skill icons as well, having the Kurzick ones on Kurzick Bureaucrat and the Luxon ones on Luxon Scavenger, then having both everywhere else. But that's maybe just too much xD - [[Image:User-Helena-sig.png|talk]] helena  07:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My original idea was a horizontal icon but see this discussion. And sepererate icons are available, for example Image:Selfless Spirit (Kurzick).jpg and Image:Selfless Spirit (Luxon).jpg. Having them automatically selected by Skill icon template is not possible without having two independent skill pages.. poke | talk 12:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit) Maybe we could add an additional parameter to Template:Skill icon, so that we can use for example  for the Kurzick icon. poke | talk 12:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Or, maybe just this way?
 * [[Image:Selfless Spirit (Kurzick).jpg|20px]][[Image:Selfless Spirit (Luxon).jpg|20px]] Selfless Spirit
 * It's not that hard to write, and it's not that many instances that will need it :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 18:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Santax above said the faction statistically with the most aligned players is the Kurziks. I'd love to see where that statistic came from. Dancing Gnome 21:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Split
Current article is misleading and gives the impression there exist such a title. What really exists or two other titles. Luxon and Kurzick. Those should have articles of their own, while this may be some sort of general page. Backsword 07:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, turn it into a disambig. -- Gordon Ecker 07:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If we split the table, it would even more obvious that it's two titles. I don't like splitting this primarily because of the redundancy of doing so. We'd be repeating the same information on two pages when those two pages could just redirect to this. If it preferable for one title-related article to be for one single title track, then I suppose those with the Legendary variation should be split as well? Hmm... come to think of it, the "title infobox" should be "title track infobox" instead. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 08:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd vote to stick with 1 page, perhaps add a clarifying comment. There's no need to duplicate everything. Alaris 02:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded, I suppose the "real" titles should be forwarded to this article though (unless they aren't already). Adding a clarification never hurts either. Totte 14:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They are just 'mirror' titles. Even lucky/unlucky have some differences, but Luxon and Kurzick only change names of NPCs, places and the name of their faction. Everything else is the same. So redirects should be more than enough here. MithranArkanere 15:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This page seems well organized and easy enough to understand, there should be a way to be redirected to this page by searching 'Friend of the Kurzicks Title Track', 'Kurzick Faction Rewards', 'Friend of the Luxons Title Track' or 'Luxon Faction Rewards' to throw a couple of ideas out there. I would have not thought to get to this page by using the term Allegience Rank as it does not relate back to the game in a direct manner. Spadabear 17:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. No split; page is clear enough for most people to understand it the way it is.--Jill Bioskop 23:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there consensus to keep the page as is? (And thus remove the Split-template from the article page). -- Totte 11:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Get Backsword up to date on this discussion, perhaps he (dis)agrees with what is said here, and he started the discussion. Personally, I agree with aberrant, no real need for two pages with almost similar information. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 12:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Emotion for kurzick/luxon rank
I hope that it's the right discussion for write my idea. Why ArenaNet don't create an emotion for alleance rank (for example Juggernaunt for Kurzick and Turtle for Luxon)like HA rank? It can be a nice idea for people that want to play alleance battle.
 * Rank is earned completely through some pretty serious PvP. Alliance rank, however, is very easy to max in PvE.  Sure, it might take a little while, but it takes no skill.  --Mystisteel 21:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They would've made an emote for the gladiator title long time ago if they cared --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 21:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the alliance rank is easy to obtain/progress but that can hardly be an excuse now that there is the Zaishen rank. Zaishen can be obtained by doing no work, excepting sitting around buying up keys. TheRave 10:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would add that not everyone maxed these titles by other means than AB. Yseron - 90.29.178.96 00:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell they have emotes for Zaishen(No Skill required at all whats so ever)u can buy the title for crap sake. Its pure laziness I tell ya.--71.98.160.14 16:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Time to complete title
When you put it like this :: 312.5 hours, or approx. 13 days to achieve :: it almost sounds like a title worth going for :P It is on the brink of inspiring me to work on my title a little... T1Cybernetic 11:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 13 days without eating, drinking, sleeping..., only hardcore HFFF. Good luck on that one :) -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 17:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe yeah, though it's still much less than i expected it :P &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 13:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Spread the 13 days out over a month, or two months, and it still is perfectly doable so long as you take a break to eat, sleep and do other things every now and then. I'm not neccessarily recommending anyone do this, but summer break sounds exactly like what someone would need to max the kurzick title. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 12:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Going from your ~312 hours if you hfff 2 hours a day you'll get the title in a little more then half a year lol... -- Nox Coma 22:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Increased Faction cap?
Just thought it would be nice if they implemented a higher storage for capping with higher allegiance ranks eg you can hold more balth faction from fame/ glad ranks etc. why not be able to hold an extra 2k worth of faction for each rank of kurzick and luxon? 91.110.70.219 23:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This idea would be beautiful but i think Anet Only Read this dam wiki once every millennium. But yeah it should be like hero title increase your faction cap based on the players Alliance Rank probably going in intervals of 2k and stop at Tier 7 or 8. Then the player should have a faction pool of 24k--71.98.160.14 16:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * nty. i can see it now... everyone stocks up on faction and them WHAM-- faction spike! /takes town. i'll pass on this idea. keep it @ 10k cap. it keeps the balance a bit more fair. --Uchiha Lena 09:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

DIfferent Math
I did the math and if you do HFFF a different way, by bringing only your heroes, have one run to shore and stairs, one run to mushrooms, and another run to bridge, you would have room for 4 other players, most ppl charge 100gp a run, thats 550gp a run, so, thats like, umm, a lot of money.--68.110.125.231 16:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Bribery?
The article lists bribing the luxon priest as a way of gaining faction. How much faction does this add and under what circumstances? As a character with R4 Kurzick and 15k Luxon, I bribed a luxon priest outside Cavalon but earned no faction. Please advice. 24.188.207.20 04:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The bribe is only a bypass for the effect you run into when you have more of the opposing Faction and the NPCs refuse to talk to you - Like those annoying "You want to get my killed?" statements you hit when you try to use the merchant in an outpost aligned with the other side. The bribe allows you to start the Faction accumulation for kills rolling if you are unfortunate enough to have an even split or some more of the 'wrong' kind. -- WarBlade 08:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * False. After bribing you also get a very small (10?) amount of points --77.223.248.73 21:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Bribing decrease the amount of unspent factions you have just gives a small amount of factions . It does not increase your title track per se. --NIN37 23:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What? Bribing costs gold, not faction. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I've just re-read Priest article:
 * Bribing him costs 50 gold, will activate the shrine and gain you +10 Kurzick/Luxon faction.
 * So, you don't "lose" points (as I incorrectly stated before); you "gain" points for the opposite faction.
 * Answering OP's question: if you're Kurzick and bribe a Luxon Priest, you'll get 10 Luxon Points (this doesn't go directly to the Title Track). Talking to the same Priest a second time will allow you to get the Blessing of Luxons for 100g, to increase the amount of points you'll get. After that, you can spend those earned points to increase your Allegiance rank. --NIN37 18:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Donating faction while as a guest?
Has anyone ever tried donating faction to an opposing faction while being a guest? For example, if I were in a Luxon alliance, obtained guest privileges to a Kurzick guild, and then tried to donate Kurzick faction to the faction rewards NPC there, would that work? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:202.139.33.147 (talk).

Oops. Above question was mine. Forgot to sign in. - Zaxares 08:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried it. The idea fails. Basically, the Kurzick Bureaucrat in your example behaves exactly like the Kurzick Bureaucrat in House zu Heltzer. -- WarBlade 08:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * D'oh. Oh well. I guess I'll be earning a lot of amber this weekend. :P - 144.136.128.251 13:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Faction Rewards
I'm really irritated that it takes less time to farm points via Hero Fast Faction Farming (HFFF) than it does acquiring faction from AB or Competitive missions even if you win constantly. Rewards should be 5k for AB wins and 3,5k for a win in Competitive missions, also increase rewards for VQing Kurz and Lux areas it should be 10k faction for areas with more than 150 foes in HM bosses should have a higher rep cap of 1000 imo atleast in HM thus making it possible to gain faction faster in PvE in other ways than HFFF.

HFFF promotes using bots wich destroy the game they should along with this change make it harder to do HFFF, it has pretty much ruined the status of this title. I have actually considered creating a bot myself (although I haven't done so yet...) since it would be so easy and if done right it is very hard to detect besides Anet is more or less promoting it by how the repeatable quests work. Make using bots less rewarding and increase the reward for actual gameplay, also banning all the people that uses bots doesn't solve the problem and it just make some impatient players angry. True the banned players may be cheaters and have it coming but I wouldn't blame them considering how BORING it is to achive the amount of faction needed to achieve the maxed title in a short period of time (500 x 25 HFFF runs which would be about 10½ days of constant farming if done perfectly (every 25 runs are done in 30 minutes)).

Banning the bot users that uses it just to achieve a maxed title it is like a doctor treating the symptom and not the cause, treating the symptom also comes with a side affect to make some angry which lowers the popularity of the game (statistic say that one displeased costumer tells 7 friends while a pleased only tells about 2 on average.). One last thing please don't just fix the HFFF quests it would only end in making people angry for making the title harder to obtain except for the those that has taken advantage of the quests.--217.197.56.109 13:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

November 13th update
So how do the various sources of points compare after today's update? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything is a lot easierCrimmastermind 05:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * AB is still the same pace. imo, fort aspenwood is a very nice source of points. with a strong team you can pull in 2.5k every 8-10 minutes. --Uchiha Lena 08:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Update to my previous comment. Jade Quarry seems to be the best way for faction. In just 1 hour my girlfriend managed to pull in 50k faction (100k when donated to the guild). Every 6-8 minutes you get 3.5k faction (assuming you win) and roughly 2k faction for losing (although this will be lower if your team does poorly). The 6-8 minute timeframe can be less if your team has monks with "Fall Back!" and "Make Haste!" and others with a very effective capping/killing build. --Uchiha Lena 23:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Since we got all those points for stuff we've done already and since a while ago they changed the alliance donation to a 2:1 ration, why didn't be get a retro boon to the amount of faction we had donated (title points) when they made those changes? Not complaining or being critical or anything, I'm just curious. Tahl 20:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

New Section
With the new update (Nov 13th), would a full section devoted to methods of increasing your faction cap be appropriate? I can't think of another way to incorporate all the new info from that update without creating a new section. Mohnzh  say   what?  19:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's already in the Kurzick faction and Luxon faction articles. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Vanquishing
The notes on point farming states you can "...effectively earn 70 faction per kill (plus boss bonuses), easily resulting in gains over 10K faction from a complete vanquish." Explain where the 70 faction per kill comes from. With the blessing its +10 in NM or +20 in HM (plus boss bonuses).
 * You also get 50 time enemies defeated after vanquishing an area in Luxon or Kurzick territories (Echovald Forest & Jade Sea) which when combined with the blessings gives you a total faction of 70 per kill, but only if you completely vanquish an area. Yukiko [[Image:User_Yukiko_Sig.png]] 05:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense, I wasn't looking at it like that. I was thinking they meant +70 per kill with just the blessing (not taking a completed vanquish into account). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:65.5.80.98 (talk).

The note about donating faction to the guild after a vanquish of 400 + 4 bosses does not take into account that you can only Donate in increments of 5,000 and the resulting +10,000 added to your title cannot under any circumstance result in a gain of 58,000 Kyubiko 14:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's accurate in that, once you accumulate an additional 1,000 faction, donating the resulting 30,000 faction to your guild will provide 58,000 points toward the title from the vanquish. Alternatively, if you vanquish repeatedly and donate all the faction every time, you will effectively gain 58,000 points per vanquish, with the remainder becoming less significant with more repetitions. I've reworded the note slightly to reflect the reality. --Irgendwer 23:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Luxon Alternative farm
This Route (HM) might be used as an alternative to farm luxon factions instead of the stone gaurdian farming route used to get kurzick factions. This faction farm is very easy and very quick and consists of 3 bosses (Ranger, Ritualist and Monk) and has an average of 50 foes which earns you about 1,700 luxon factions each run. Worth putting on the 'recommended point farming' section? -- Chan


 * if your going to do that then why dont u just vanq the place insted, that single run is a third of the enermys in the area anyway and it isnt like doing the whole area is that difficult or anymore time consuming when u use something like sab/discordways is it? and when you finish you get a tidy 7k faction on top which takes the total amount up to 10-12k and for something that takes only a few mins more. --A zreal o f S kyrim [[Image:User Azreal of skyrim signature.jpg]] 10:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * that area is used in mqsc (mount qinkai speed clear) and that yields 8k in 7min or so. i'm a dsc'er myself. what you did was describing a thrid of the speedvanq. Rhonin Soren 17:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Per hour rates for different method...
This is a request for research... now that we've had some time to figure out the best farms. Please post your gain (before trading it in), time, and if AB/FA/JQ, the number of wins & losses. Thanks. (ps: I also checked http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Kurzick_faction but that research isn't there either). -- Alaris 13:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Faction Farming after this weekend's skill updates
I'm interested to see how players will farm faction after the supposed upcoming changes to 600/smite team builds this weekend. It sounds like the DTSC and MQSC team builds are going to take a hit. Maybe my lowly PVE Ranger can finally get into the team mix somehow. :\ Anyone have any ideas? -Ninjatek 13:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Until we know what the changes are, we just don't know if and how these will be affected, and what could be alternatives. If farming is completely obliterated (which I doubt), then regular vanq'ing or JQ / FA will be good places to earn rep. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 19:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Amatz Basin
Since the changes to Shadow Form, is it still viable to farm Amatz Basin with Perma tanks? (I suspect not, but I haven't tried it.) If not, Amatz should be taken off the farming list. --Irgendwer 13:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Kurzicks unpopular
I've observed Luxon guilds capturing Brauer Academy, Vasburg Armory, Lutgardis Conservatory and Durheim Archives multiple times in the last three days. All these appear to be a series of co-ordinated attacks, pretty good and well organized. So far, not one Kurzick guild have made an incursion into Luxon territory. Well done to the Luxons. 121.7.31.31 12:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Last three days? BAHAHA! [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 15:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost a month later... and nothing's changed. Were the botters responsible for this?  When I go into Luxon PvP outposts there's almost no one there while Kurz ones are always packed with chattering baddies... half of them I assume waiting to play.  WTF is going on here?  How do Luxon guilds control everything but almost no one is PvP'ing Luxon side?  The wait times if you're Kurzick are so bad it's faster to just farm PvE mobs in Normal mode... tho' you can only start from certain towns b/c the Luxons control almost every shrine.    I'm just trying to get access to the stupid Allegiance PvE skills and this is making a stupid grind even worse than normal.  I call freaking Shenanigans here. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 11:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing i can think of is the fact that if there ARE no luxons playing, the border won't change, as no kurzicks are winning. When the luxons DO play however, it seems the high end players are coming and winning even further into kurz territory. This is all probably untrue, but it's the first thing that came to my mind. Sonic Thursday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 12:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Zaishen Elite (Balthazar faction)
Am I missing something or why is that part relevant? 91.34.56.141 23:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd assume Zaishen Key Farming; since the AT predictions are out, thats probably the next fastest way. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler  23:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The entire Fast faction farming page was deleted and merged with this page. I'll move the "Zaishen Elite (Balthazar faction)" section to Balthazar faction. --Silver Edge 01:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Isn't a PvP title?
According to the new HoM calculator, this isn't considered a pvp title. Sure you can get faction via PvE but you can also just buy Zaishen Keys, and that counts as a PvP title. Remove Zaishen or add Allegiance, Anet kthx 66.183.242.205 21:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone has to generate those Zaishen Keys to begin with, and the only efficient way to do that is via PvP. --Irgendwer 21:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Or Z-quests. For me, the war between both Factions meens this title has to be considered PvP. It seems obvious to me. - Sigruhn 22:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Speed clears probably made them decide against it. -- ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ [[Image:User_Kyoshi_sig.png]] 22:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  4:42, 9 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * My reasoning (three months ago) was that you can generate unlimited keys per day through PvP and a limited number through Z-quests. I just got my Zaishen monument primarily through Z-quests so that point seems a little shaky now. --Irgendwer 13:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * PvPers ebay off their zkeys in stacks, which is the only real way to get rid of them. They also sell them to PvErs. The fact that they come from PvP is immaterial, honestly - anyone who does enough PvP to generate enough zkeys to buy zaishen statue probably also has another statue (or 2) that are legitimate PvP statues, which leaves only PvErs obtaining the PvP statue through zkeys. It's a PvE statue through and through - made to let the PvE masses skate through and not feel like they missed something (which they did, ANet just pretends otherwise). - Auron 13:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * PvPers ebay off their zkeys in stacks, which is the only real way to get rid of them. They also sell them to PvErs. The fact that they come from PvP is immaterial, honestly - anyone who does enough PvP to generate enough zkeys to buy zaishen statue probably also has another statue (or 2) that are legitimate PvP statues, which leaves only PvErs obtaining the PvP statue through zkeys. It's a PvE statue through and through - made to let the PvE masses skate through and not feel like they missed something (which they did, ANet just pretends otherwise). - Auron 13:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Odd idea buuuut
I just had the idea of /lrank and /krank say you get to rank 6 of the title you can use that ability to summon Archemorus or Saint Viktor same way dropping the Urn or Spear, what do you guys think? not saying, ANET DO IT NOW, cause they got alot of work on they're plate  Zachariah Zuan. 19:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Skill icons
The way the icons for these skills are set up on wiki, using skill icon with any of these "ten" skills causes linebreaking problems. I tentatively suggest placing the icons horizontally adjacent, similar to how duplicate skill icon handles the images. Would this break skill table or similar templates? Is there anything else I'm missing? -- Armond Warblade 04:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of these being listed on a single row. (In fact, I'm hard pressed to see how it's beneficial to present them as different skills, each with a unique article. I'd be happy seeing both Summon Spirits (Kurzick) & Summon Spirits (Luxon) redirect to a Summon Spirits article.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Im in favor of setting them in a line, but moreso in splitting them. Skill build templates and other such things where this skill is listed look terrible as it is now. I think it'd be best to go at it the same way other duplicate skills are done.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 15:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Equipping faction skills and sunspear skills
It seems like when I add sunspear skills and faction skills (I tried Luxon, don't have kurzick yet), I can only add 3 (2 sunspear skills and 1 Luxon skill, or 2 Luxon skills and 1 sunspear skill). attempts to add the 4th one will remove one of them from the skill bar. Is this bug/anomaly/by design? K61824 23:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can only have 3 PvE skills on a bar. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  23:17, 18 Jan 2011 (UTC)

DTSC
Why does DTSC and HFFF redirect here? Shouldn't they have their own page, describing what they are and are used for? 1.144.203.166 15:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they should have their own pages, as I don't know what they mean :)Jackster 14:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)