Talk:Wintersday 2010

Yay First!
My first wintersday event, I could not join last year, so I am stoked at this year festival Happy Christmas people, see you in game-Wracken 22:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is my first comment on the Wiki, and I hope I'm doing it correctly. It's also my first Wintersday event, and I'm really excited about it!  Already running through the different towns, checking things out.  It's great!  Happy Wintersday, everyone! TheGizzy 02:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

New hero :o
The boyfriend :D Jakeh 22:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And he's a Paragon!!!? Are you serious? --90.163.54.221 01:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * With a bow, great logics. 83.160.29.246 06:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people are just never pleased. -Shiyahn 23:45, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You ever used a paragon hero in PVE? -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 23:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No Neil because para is so broken and hero's cannot Imba. Rogueonion 00:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That was sarcasm, friend. -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 00:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm, a paragon hero with a bow. Now lets hope they programmed him so he is great at pulling small groups of enemy's or bosses (so I can be lazy enough to not equip my longbow). but to be serious. I use a paragon hero often. but only one to support my ele and my hero ele's Searing Flames. But you only need one right? The whole paragon class is designed to be a "party leader". so what is the use in having 3 paragon hero's? Specially when they put the 7 hero thing in (crossing my fingers that they meet common sense and don't do it). there are more better professions that deserve to have more hero's if they are stupid enough to put the 7 hero thing into the game.82.170.196.12 01:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Echoes triggering constantly because there are 3 paragons using shouts and chants constantly. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 02:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, its like having your own little fan club of malicious Japanese schoolgirls with you, skirts & all 208.78.249.160 03:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I just imagined Morgahn as a Japanese schoolgirl... *shudder*  24.46.99.66 16:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hes the one that makes all the others look pretty.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 16:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Imba is ridiculous. It's a meta game build that doesn't work against armour ignoring damage. Don't forget. I play Paragon inside and out, and I love the idea of a third Paragon hero. If you're creative and know your stuff on the game (Instead of putting down stuff you're unfamiliar with or unintelligible about), it opens up the potential to some very killer Paraway team builds. I'm sorry ANET broke your hearts and didn't introduce ANOTHER spirit spammer or ANOTHER discord spammer. Oops. I find that only people that have not the skill to play Paragon, often put them down. Call it what you want, but that's how it is. Fact is fact. Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]
 * Even as broken as the Paragon is, you can still find very effective builds for them to play. If you know what you're doing, of course. Which alot of people don't. Players these days are dependable on meta. And people need alot of stuff simplified for them, and made easy. Damn, the crowds this game attracts seem to be going Dooooooown-hill. Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]
 * And for all the people that just *magically* got interested in Paragons because DoA Glaiveway got popular, and people find the "Save Yourselves!" shout the bane of Paragon existence, these Paraway team builds are great, for 4-para teams, or even 8-para teams with a buddy. Highly recommended to check it out. Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]

New Pet
Looks like this year they've gone all out & given us the Invisible Jingle Nada  :( 208.78.249.160 06:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's somewhat disappointing, but I guess the new pet is Thackeray. -78.92.0.163 11:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah true enough. And, they did make him a Paragon, so that counts him as a Jingle Hero IMhO. 208.78.249.160 13:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Was hoping for a jingle white-wolf :/ -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 15:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish they had a jingle black moa...-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  16:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Came here to see what the new pet would be. I am a bit disappointed that there isn't one (yet - you never know). At least that would be something I would take out and use, instead of another hero that won't see the light of day.HanokOdbrook 16:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Sigh - I am very very disappointed there is no new pet - about the only thing from wintersday I would actually use. Still have moa and bear on the chars who charmed them in past years. Lamont 00:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No White Jingle Xandra </3 Discuss 18:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd buy THAT for a dallah!218.40.186.9 22:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)Ryoko
 * Came here looking for this year's new pet too and was quite dissapointed also. They could at least give us one of the pets they have already made but never released, like the Pygmy Hippopotamus or the Fern Lizard, or even my personal favourite, the Panda. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  15:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you actually read those articles, you'd know exactly why they can't. --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 15:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And they can't find ways around it? Ok, maybe hard for the Hippo but the Panda and Crane? Like for example, if they cant depict the death of an endangered species, change its fecking name to something else, lol. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  21:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, they cant. also, Jingle Wolf.-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A rose by any other name is still a rose.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 22:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the Chinese Government isn't going to be fooled by a name change. --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 02:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Who cares about the Chinese government? This is not a Chinese game. Ramei Arashi 13:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Reindeer aren't bloody endangered, and they've already got the model... 208.65.83.143 06:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What, you want a bloody deer chasing after your rangers now? Not sure if I'd want that kind of screen clutter. Same goes for any large animal, anyways. Also it wouldn't fit with the White Jingle (animal) theme they have going anyhow.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 07:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A reindeer would be preferable, more aesthetically appealing, and far more "believable" than the Freak Flag Chicken aka Rainbow Phoenix. IMhO anyway 208.65.83.143 09:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ramei, please get your facts strait- Arenanet/Ncsoft are based in korea ;)-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 14:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

wich means is not a chinese game is a korean one xd--Batousai 16:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ArenaNet is based on the West Coast U.S. but that doesn't mean they don't have to follow the laws of countries they want to sell their game in. --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 18:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Snowball fights
Anet please implement team shuffle used in Costume brawls. Team syncing is out of control. 98.220.126.134 06:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Please do something about this for next year. It's become totally ridiculous. --VintageRose 05:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a suggestion for the developers, please go here. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  13:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Murro
Where's Murro? I need my WiK quests! :P Sjeng   18:04, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * you dont need murro to do WiK, hes just there to point you in the right direction if you cant think what to do, if unsure just follow chart on wikiSpark-TBa 22:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, but I keep losing track of where my characters are, because most of them started with WiK before Murro gave the quest pointers. And now I'm kinda lost, so I really do need his guidance ;) Sjeng  [[Image:User_Sjeng_Sig_Icon.png|13px|talk ]] 11:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Murro was added to the game to make things easier: TWiK allows you to skip some ponderous dialogues, rezone a bit less, and be able to track progress in-game (esp. helpful when following the story-line across multiple toons). So, sure, he's not required, but...


 * FYI Sjeng: I've posted a note on Feedback:Bug reports/Quest bugs. You can also report this to support (often, ANet responds more quickly to legitimate issues if there are independent pings from multiple sources). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Rift Wardens
I notice none of these big scarries wandering around this year. Does anyone remember if they are just a late spawn, or is the uber rare unded Polar Bear suddenly about to become even more coveted? 188.222.77.162 18:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC) (that's what it says on Rift Warden page... --weby [TALK] @ 21:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "Each year, the Rift Warden appearance is delayed after the start of the Wintersday festivities. His appearance is believed to be at Monday 16:00 (UTC) after the first weekend of Wintersday events."
 * He's here now, so go ahead and start your polar bear farming. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 21:51, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ah thaks for the info, i didn't see that. they're here now anyway =D 188.222.77.162 21:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Charm Jingle bear or White jingle moa??
Is there going to be those two animals in eye garden, if so what quests gives it, If its a quest called wintersday cheer, Its not avaible as I cannot find it anywhere in Eye nor can i find Thankerty to talk to him, Have checked with various characters those that havent beaten prophacy or eye and those I have completed WiK. I hope this isnt an omission of charmable animals this year. otherwise towns and quests look good :)
 * complete SD (snowball dominance) to be able to get pets in gwen's garden. --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 22:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * TY dragon I will try that,
 * Either that, or enter the instance with some one who has already unlocked them. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 01:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler - New hats and weapons
Check at the bottom of the page.--Darknessguy 17:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Halo, Horns, Two sceptres/staffs and the collection of roses gwen held at the wedding. Thank god i bought those costumes.-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 17:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks alot better than last years tho.--Darknessguy 17:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting... How do we get those weapons? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 18:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely interested in these weapons too. Anybody know what the deal with those is?
 * Horns! :3 makez me a happy turtle! --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 20:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to make it so these spoilers only reveal if you scroll over them? I've seen movie websites with the same thing set up. I didn't want to read this, but Snowball Dominance had me distracted on my laptop while reading this on my desktop and i inadvertantly read it. I usually skip over spoiler stuff.218.40.186.9 22:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)Ryoko
 * Best I can do. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 00:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * So... staffs? How do we supposedly get those (cant read German)?--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 16:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unknown. They just found the weapons in gw.dat. It's entirely possible that those items were made for NPCs during the wedding and won't be available to players, ever. The existence of inventory icons may suggest otherwise, but that's just speculation. Tub 17:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * So, one event is down and if these weapons are obtainable during the event, someone should have info about how do to just that. Anybody? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 09:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The past showed that ANet usually does not create inventory icons for things they don't think you will ever have in your inventory. When mantle guys were given their new weapons, icons were added as well, although the wand you can buy looks different and there was only one bow model. BTW: Did anyone see the wands during the wedding? --numma_cway 15:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Folgende Waffen, die auf einer roten und weißen Rose basieren, wird es aller Voraussicht nach irgendwann in der nächsten Zeit geben:
 * these weapons, which are based on white and red roses, will be given to the players at some points (I'm dutch not german, so don't flame for the translations plz)
 * Außerdem ist davon auszugehen, dass es einen neuen Fokus-Gegenstand in Form des Blumenstraußes gibt, den Gwen im Missionsgebiet von Die Hochzeit in der Hand hält, und von dem Blütenblätter herunterfallen.
 * In addition to this it's to be assumed there is a new focus in form of the bouquet with petals falling down from it, which Gwen held in her hand during the wedding. --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 12:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Dwayna and Melandru vs Grenth and Balthazar
so......death and fire vs light and trees.......photosynthesis vs hell.......yeah.....any thoughts? 68.111.174.90 06:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, war and justice are two concepts that kinda fit together, as much as nature and life do. I can't really see how they are against each other, but I'm guessing that's a Wintersday thing. -Adul 07:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's obviously a battle of the sexes. 66.188.249.31 18:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * it's funny cause it's true..wait it isn't funny :( --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 18:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Is melendru is a lesbian, im going to eat my hat.- it will hurt. Alot. -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Melandru IS a lesbian! --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 18:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Have a nice meal. Damysticreaper 22:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Lyssa
It is do to much lawling that i am posting this. Anyone wonder why Lyssa is not included in this, I mean she is a god right? Either shes off training Kormir in how to be a god or people realized shes two faced and didn't want her help.. any and all ideas appreciated..Ampkingomega 18:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Costumes, to keep the sides even with 2 vs 2 and how would Lyssa even fit in. Maybe we will see some of Lyssa and Kormir later on, let's just have some patience with that one. Damysticreaper 18:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Grenth -> Ice, Death.
 * Balth. -> War (-death).
 * Dwayna -> Life, Air
 * Melendru -> Nature (life&air)
 * Lyssa -> Illusions, Water (after abbadons fall)
 * Komir -> Knowlage (after abbadons fall)
 * Neither of the bottom two have any familiar element with the dwayna vs grenth battle of spring and winter.-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone want to take bets on Lyssa playing a large part in GW:B for Nightfall? I'm predicting something to do with the Festival of Lyss, which can lend towards the introduction of Lyssa costumes.218.40.186.9 22:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)speculative Ryoko
 * Maybe somewhere during canthan new year or winds of change a Lyssa costume will arive since Lyssa is the matron of the assassins. Well Grenth being the Patron of the ritualists i doubt he will get another costume so Kormir will be the counter part of that (altough i doubts it is a costume i will like...knowing Kormir has an afro).
 * Eh Kormir would be a suckish costume seeing as how she is wearing plain old para armor, and we dont need another skirt for guy chars (unless kilts are implemented)My hope is that even though Abbadon is a fallen god they will make a costume of him, mainly cause the whole six eyed mask he wears...Ampkingomega 22:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Knowing this is Anet, Suggest a playboy costume- They'l do it. --<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 00:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It already exists since halloween. --numma_cway 14:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Lyssa being a part of this wouldn't make sense, as Lyssa is deemed the god of balance - if Lyssa was to take sides, this would no longer be the case. -Shiyahn 07:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Lyssa could still take a side. Think about it, if Kormir took a side it would be 3 gods vs 2 gods. Thus, Lyssa would HAVE to take a side to balance it out. She is goddess of balance, after all. 76.208.24.202 20:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Lyssa being a part of this wouldn't make sense, as Lyssa is deemed the god of balance - if Lyssa was to take sides, this would no longer be the case. -Shiyahn 07:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Lyssa could still take a side. Think about it, if Kormir took a side it would be 3 gods vs 2 gods. Thus, Lyssa would HAVE to take a side to balance it out. She is goddess of balance, after all. 76.208.24.202 20:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

CC shards for finale
Hey, its my first finale in a long while. I know I should save some shards for the hats, but approximately how many will i go through if I do every finale? I'm trying to max my lucky title so I want to make sure I dont miss this opportunity. Thanks! Ascalon Destroyer 06:47, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In previous years, 250 shards bought you a hat. But, if you participated in a finale, the winning god would donate their version of the hat (no cost). This year, it wouldn't surprise me if it's changed; quests rewards W'Gifts instead of C'shards, so they might also have changed other requirements. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the CCs for the finale game (the nine rings ripoff), the last years it was 1 shard per round, 15 rounds per finale. And you'll usually win more shards than you pay. It's a very poor way to get lucky points though: you get 1 point per shard won, thus 10-20 per finale. You could spend that time farming gold, buying a lockpick, finding a lowlevel chest and getting 250..
 * On that note, I hope that the length of winter is determined by the finale, not by the snowball fight of the gods. With all that farming on grenth/balthazar's side, we'd have winter until 2017. Tub 15:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I lol'd ofcourse it's not determined by the snowball fight! :D --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 15:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that there might be other items awarded during this Wintersday finale in addition to festival hats, (see this spoiler section if you want more information) which may require more shards. --Silver Edge 20:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 4 hats were given in Wintersday 2006. Get ready to travel to 2 finales and align with 2 Gods at each... 66.170.212.17 14:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Wintersday
"It wouldn’t be Wintersday without festive costumes!"

Yes it would, it had been for years you fucking crooks. How stupid are you? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 15:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are unaware, the costumes which have been added to the game are optional. Since Anet does not force you to give them money for items which do not affect gameplay, calling them "crooks" is rather fallacious. G R E E N E R  17:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion complaining about costumes of how they look and that you have to buy them is ridiculous. If you don't like them don't buy them if you don't want to spent money funding GW2 again don't buy them. If still bought them just because other people do you i have one thing to say to those people: You idiots.
 * People should not complain about stuff wich is completly optional to get and simply serves as a method to fund GW2 as well as giving characters (depending on your taste) a nice look.
 * If you guys don't like that idea seeing it as taking money from players, would you want GW to end up like WoW paying to play the game?
 * So far aditional items optional to get for players in-game sure beats paying money to play the game like WoW so stop complaining about such trivial matters.
 * Costumes are just an optional part of the game accept it. Damysticreaper 18:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Too fucking right. --<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It was my impression that these were used to fund the GW1 Live Team, not the development of GW2. WiK, HotN, WoC - there's a lot of work (thus money) behind those, yet we all got it for free. They want to refinance that by offering us some optional, fancy costumes, and people start to complain?
 * We all just paid a fixed amount of money on the game, without monthly fees that cannot finance indefinite development. So at some point there's only three options for ANet: a) no more content updates, b) forced paying (i.e. make us buy a box to unlock WoC as an expansion), c) optional paying in the form of some costumes that hurt nobody (unless they're pink, but that's a different story).
 * Would those that are complaining really prefer option a) or b)? Personally, I'm glad there are people around who buy those costumes, it gives me free content updates. Tub 19:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Micro transactions are the way forward for none-pay to play games such as GW. Now GW keeps its micron-transactions purely to vanity items. If this were to change I would be upset, however as it stands I don't really mind. Saying that however Alice, calling Anet crooks and idiots is crossing the line into NPA land. Don't do it again or you will be getting a time out. I'm not saying you can't disagree with Anet's design choices etc... just that you express those concerns and ideas in a way which does not constitute a personal attack. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 22:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * While I tend to disagree with A&S's continuous and vehement war against costumes in general, I do agree with his(? apologies for possible gender confusion) comment on that quote specifically. I kind of thought the exact same thing when I read the Wintersday page. 24.46.99.66 23:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Company aren't people, Salome. Anet isn't a person.  It has no personality or sense of self, it's just a company.  But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.  68.193.122.145 14:41, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But the people who made and maintain GW and working for anet are persons. Damysticreaper 15:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Troll feast? Troll feast. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 15:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They are a person under U.S. Law. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 15:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A company cannot exist without the people that work for it. The people that work for it subsequently give that company a personality, morals, and a sense of self. Personality through how the company does it's business, morals through the boundaries the company sets for itself, and a sense of self through the company being lead forward in self preservation through business transactions. Don't worry though, we didn't expect you to know that.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 17:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Alice is a troll. 3/10. Only because you trolled these people. It was fail troll. --122.111.229.52 03:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * why did that turn into a debate? It wasn't open to one. I told alice not to make further comments like this, she hasn't. Lets all just stop either being trolled or trolling. Also to 68.193, my law degree and common sense says different. (technically a company cant be a crook or stupid, to attach these characters to the concept of the business, directly relates to those who make up the company, rather than the business entity, but thank you for playing, you get a great big "0.0" for being both crap at logic and at trolling) -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 03:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Only in your mind are the people you hate "trolls". Nathan, I totally understand your logic and reasoning, unfortunately you're still wrong and it's still foolish Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 3.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Errr... no actually his above reasoning is perfectly sound and reasonable and it is you Alice, who has flawed reasoning on this subject. Also next time, log in rather than post as an IP when you disagree with something. It just makes it easier to follow the debate. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 07:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no debate. Some people are upset that the entire world doesn't love Anet and now we're discussing the psychotic notion that companies are people.  I said that I understand the reasoning behind that sort of thinking and it is sound, but just because the majority of the world thinks something is reasonable doesn't mean it's not stupid or incorrect.  Kraft just called, we're going to go see a movie!  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 3.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

District to win?
Wasn't there in previous years an unofficial "agreement" as to which districts would win for which god? Is there none this year?--Cyberman 22:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Grenth is an odd fellow, but Dwayna just wants to get even. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 23:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Its official, GW Wintersday district rules have become a Parable.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 00:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No disputing that. There's even Grenth districts, and some odd Dwayna. Is GW slipping into a Twilight Zone? (even further than already has) Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]

Bugged Finale
Several districts in LA and Kam didnt get finales. Kam 51 and 53 for sure! --69.88.185.212 08:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The district I was in (95) didn't have one, so I switched to 37 and it did not give me a hat. :(  Eive [[Image:User_Eive_Windgrace_Harbinger_of_the_Deceiver.png|19px|Talk]] 08:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * dis 77 LA had dwayna and grenth turn up say what they had too and leave but no shards were taken for the game and no hats given out after, anet are being stupid with this festival, last year they messed up with this one, they need to stop people leeching on the rings.Spark-TBa 08:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 3/5 of my clients got into lag of death while afking in d100, the 2 others did received hats/gifts.... so i guess several others ppl didnt received hats, why does winterday is always so buggy ?

Even to Odd, which is which!?
As tradition from previous Wintersday events, the districts in LA/Kamada should be that Odd = Grenth, and Even = Dwayna. In addition to that, I don't understand why some incompetent people are in Dwayna on an odd district, and vice-versa. Let's hope the community fixes this issue, otherwise we'll have a Wintersday Redux, and a delay with the live team for Winds of Change and/or GW2 updates. Captain Armin 08:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems like its been free for all this year.– User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 08:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that. it seems like 75% of districts are Grenth-supporting. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 08:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's gonna be a major problem with the people who want their hats, and ANet won't be too happy either. Let's hope for the best. Captain Armin 08:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The people in the international districts seem to have their heads on straight this year. Feel free to come over in two hours for the next finale. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 08:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * were prob gonna have a redux anyway, so many people not getting masks, from people i know less are getting masks than last year :PSpark-TBa 08:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * salivor, you said international got heads on straight, is that why first 4 districts all on grenth :) Spark-TBa 10:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Take a look when you arrive in a district. If folks are on the wrong rings, politely request that they move (in all chat). If they don't, switch districts before the event starts. There's always been confusion around this (esp. since it works differently during other holidays). I haven't had any trouble finding an LA district to start nor being able to switch to a Kam district 15 minutes or so later. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 10:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * that only works in theory, theres too many leechers, so they wont move, and as its not a rule most wont anyway, and on the first finale i was in LA dist when event started and stilldidnt get a mask :P must justbe me thats bugged then :P lolSpark-TBa 10:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Illumine, not sure where or when you checked, but both LA and Kamadan's international districts alternated appropriately for the first event, and Kamadan did the same for the second. I'm not sure about LA, as I didn't bother going there the second time, but if they refused to side with Dwayna in 2 and 4 it's an anomaly, not the norm. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 11:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * When I was hopping districts in Kamadan at five minutes to finale the first three odd in international/english were stacked on Dwayna, so I hit America and saw the same thing; ended up actually getting an odd on Grenth when I started randomly picking odd districts from the list (it was 59, for what it's worth) 72.230.201.43 11:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The point is: you can choose a district that has an obvious majority standing where you want. If you don't like what you see, switch. If you're AFK, it shouldn't matter that much; everyone gets post-contest presents. There's little value in getting caught up in what is supposed to happen or what the pattern is (which none of us know, b/c we're not checking 100+ districts at each finale).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 11:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I had no problem being in an even district and getting a dwayna hat, and an odd district getting a grenth hat. As for there being a redux, I wouldn't count on it, unless there is a major server crash or other act of god. I believe that there will be a Wintersday hat collector guy that will give you a hat for cc shards after the finale if you have missed it, which resolves any "upset". Saying that Anet is going to be unhappy because people chose to break tradition is just ridiculous, the odd/even thing has always been a player driven tradition. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  13:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not having any problem finding districts done right in American English. I'm in even one that's mostly Dwayna right now. Always a few in wrong circles. Ramei Arashi 13:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Whats wrong with the fact than some people are simply just not interested in respecting "the tradition"? I see everyone complain, saying arrrgh you're not on the good ring! Noob its supposed to be dwayna on this district, you dont respect the wiki "code" ect....Every player have the right to make their own choices, choose the god they want to support and also choose to dont f.. care about what its "supposed" to be. And btw, its a game, a fight between gods to know wich one will have more supporters, when everybody is on one ring and than, you know wich one will succeed, where is the fun? For the people for who its so important to follow the "rules", maybe you could just make a petition asking to Obama to pass a law saying than wiki is the new civil code and you should follow exactly everything it content.Lammilia 08:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * But see, that's the problem in the Guild Wars community period. There is no more respect for tradition or how things have BEEN for years in Guild Wars. Why now all the change? This game has went to S..., and very fast too. Why is it so F.... important for people to "Defy tradition" or "Change it up"? Why not just do what we've all been doing for years now? I'm not for this 2010/2011 Neo-GW Generation Bulls.... But, shoulda seen this one coming. Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]

Without change, we dont grow up, simply. When you follow all the "rules", you become a little sheep and at one point, you'll not think by yourself anymore, if its your choice, cool, everyone have the right to be free to do what they want and also be what they want. The important is to let others to be free too.Lammilia 20:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Save your new-age hippie bullshit philosophy for the pot circle. This isn't the Dead Poets Society. Chinese and Japanese cultures are FULL of tradition and they're some of the oldest, deepest, richest cultures in the world. That's right, they grew up just fine. And rules CREATE order and freedom. But this isn't about rules anyway, so stop the Robin Williams act. I want to know what idiot started the LA/Kamadan thing. The fact is that the Guild Wars community for the past 5 years has established a simple, fair way to do things on Wintersday. There's no reason AT ALL to do it any other way. The even/odd system works for EVERYBODY, while the LA/Kamadan system works ONLY for people who have BOTH campaigns. My second account almost wasn't able to get the Dwayna hat because it doesn't have NF and because you "upset-the-established-order" types had to do it a different, less efficient way. Knock it off! Next year, we're doing it even districts for Dwayna, odd districts for Grenth. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 23:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

DictatorLammilia 00:04, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Belive me if your having this trouble just go to the european Asian districts, I did not see anything of this there, what happen was spoiled brats just wanting to troll and mess up nothing else just because they thought horns where so great.


 * Dictator? What Musha said was 120% correct. Please. Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]
 * @Lamilia: If standing in the wrong ring in a computer game is the kind of rebellion our (my) parents went through the sixties to achieve, then they surely failed. Destroying a well established and smoothly working tradition to ensure that everybody get the hats they desire is not rebellion or expression of free speech. It's either ignorance or stupidity. For the sake of my continued belief in the human species I have decided that this was just ignorance and that we should be better at spreading the word next year.--<span style=”font-family:Verdana;color:#3FF">Manassas  [[File: User Manassas Mannysig.png]] 10:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Anomaly: Districts created after the event has ended did not receive any hats.
Does this really need to be stated as an anomaly? It happens every year, for every single event, and will most likely continue to happen for every single festival finale from now till the end of time. Silavor 08:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand how this is an anomaly ... why would you recieve a hat if you weren't there until the event had already ended? Eastern Blade 09:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * what the anomoly means is that if the finale event starts at 1 min past the hour or whatever it is, then a district has to be created because of over population that district wont get anything, thats my belief of the anomoly anyway, if im wrong can someone pls saySpark-TBa 10:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Silavor already summed it all up. It's normal, always happens. If you want the hat, get there earlier. <I>Ghosst</I>  [[Image:User_Ghosst_Ghosst_Sig.jpg|19px|I Make Dead People]]  •  Talk  •
 * I'd rather have it and make people annoyed than not have it and make people confused. ThrainUser_Thrain_Sig.png contribs 21:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's why I didn't remove it; while I didn't feel the note was necessary you sometimes have to repeat known facts for new/returning players. It's neither an anomaly or a bug if you understand how scripts work or use basic logic. <I>Ghosst</I>  [[Image:User_Ghosst_Ghosst_Sig.jpg|19px|I Make Dead People]]  •  Talk  •


 * The only problem with that statement is that it's an oxymoron. No hats are given after the event has ended, ever. The anomaly applies when districts are created after the event started, but before it ended. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 07:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

No Grenths Districts in Kamadan
I have been working my way through all of the odd districts in Kamadan, but have so far failed to find one supporting Grenth. It appears that the convention is being disregarded, so anyone without Prophecies is unlikely to get both hats. 82.35.227.163 15:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Check the international and european districts. I've had no trouble finding grenth districts Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 16:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I've had no trouble finding Grenth and Dwayna districts in both LA and Kam. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, no one is following the conventions at all this year. It's disheartening after all of these years of community organization. I had to check about 20 different districts in Kamadan American until I managed to find a Grenth district (25). Maybe in the future we should make a wiki announcement big and bold about it. Yes, plenty don't look -- but some people look but not in detail. If it's a header, they might just notice it. --emkyooess


 * And this is why parents should be allowed to beat their children again. Lack of respect, the "troll or be trolled" horsecrap, no discipline whatsoever. None of it is a shock really, people working together; why that's just silliness. It's all about ME ME ME. <I>Ghosst</I>  [[Image:User_Ghosst_Ghosst_Sig.jpg|19px|I Make Dead People]]  •  Talk  •


 * So true, parents should be allowed to disciple their children without being labeled as child abuser. Also perent should raise hteir children instead of making career as well wich is also a big problem. People blame the youth while it's the parents who raise the youth who is at fault. Damysticreaper 19:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

LULZ too bad for y'all there's still people who use their freedom of choice [= ROFLCOPTER @ Cromagnon guys Beleeth 19:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys if you notice, someone switched the colors on the main page article in the wiki. Thus alot of people have gone to stand on the wrong stands and then went AFK. I have reverted the vandalism and banned the person, but I do think alot of the confusion this year was caused by that and not people just wanting to be arses. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 19:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Salome, you're such an optimist and for that, a cookie for you. Also Mr. super-secret, you'll-never-guess-who-I-am, isn't Kilauea erupting? You should go worship, up close. <I>Ghosst</I>  [[Image:User_Ghosst_Ghosst_Sig.jpg|19px|I Make Dead People]]  •  Talk  •


 * Thanks, Salome. (However, judging by alliance chatter, people were simply confused this year; I noticed at least half a dozen guildies who needed a guided tour to find the district they wanted.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait. PEOPLE who use their freedom of choice, or a bunch of kids going through an "independent phase", defying tradition, using their freedom of choice? Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]
 * Freedom of choice is a good thing! One is free to be a nob, that however means others are free to tell that person they are being a nob. Thanks for playing "The Freedom of Choice" game. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 07:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Exactly! Nabs could choose to be nabs and risk be called nabs, sheep could choose to follow the shepherd and potentially be called sheep, also other might choose to do whatever and support the god they like or the hat they already saw on the spoiled .dat and just go for it and risk being called whatever by some of the others, one may also choose to just use the shards on the hat giver. That's all sweet, now the nabs were nabs but had fun or so it seems, the sheep tried to find the missing shepherd and appear not to have had much and ended up being upset, some others maybe did wtf they wanted and / or used hat giver for the remaining hat if they cared or maybe not. Almost everybody happy save for the upset sheep. Then again, a matter of choice. 08:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)Beleeth 08:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a huge difference between expressing your freedom of choice and being a complete asshat. You have the right to tell someone you don't like them. You do not however have the right to stand outside their house and scream obscenities at them.
 * Also take a few lessons on Ethics and Morality. Leadership. -- Briar  User Briar Sig 3.jpg  The Spider  08:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm really not understanding your concept of "Sheep" to be honest. I think you have it misinterpreted. You're like what...contestant number 2, or 3 to use that term incorrectly, just on this page alone? Congrats. It's one thing to be brainwashed into following a certain order, but it's an entirely different thing to follow tradition because it's an order agreed upon by the community. Hope that wasn't too much for you to gain. The planet, let alone the internet, doesn't have enough "I wanna be different!" imposters running around, ruining things for everyone else? Ardangoeswiki[[Image:User_Ardangoeswiki_19px-UserArdan_sig.jpg|19px]]
 * I think it's extremely odd to blame a group of people (and further to label them "asshats" or "sheep") for things not being as organized as usual. There are many players that have either never heard of this custom, or have forgotten it, and either just headed to a random circle and went afk, or went wherever others seemed to be. Most people don't really pay as much attention as they are being given credit for here. There's no "blame" to be assigned here, just some inattention and indifference. <font color="#008800">Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 16:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Hats
In headless-finery mode, they look like this.



--<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil •  15:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update, Neil. It'll be listed as a Bug. :) Captain Armin 18:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly could also add that on some, but not all tonics, the effects still show up. The only 2 I can confirm are the Troll tonic they appear, and cottontail tonic they do not. Don't think this a bug though, follows the flame effect from the pumpkin head costume piece as well.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 20:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Same bug goes with the glow of the demonic horns, altough i don't think there will be an update fixing that bug. Damysticreaper 21:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As regina said (somewhere on the forums), "we will not be removing this, since so many people seem to like it", or something along those lines, so yeah. dont expect a fix to something thats really nice :3 --<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They appear on all tonics afaik, you just need to take the hat off and then put it back on.– User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 22:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

when does it all end
according to the wintersday page its all supposed to be over, but im still getting drops, i dont remember drops going on after the festival has finnished, does anyone know when drops end?Spark-TBa 18:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * ANet gave two dates: one on the login announcement, another on their official website. The latest of the two is about 80 minutes from this post (noon, 4 January, Seattle time, local to ANet). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ty for letting me know, seems a little silly though having two times :) lolSpark-TBa 19:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)