Talk:Utini Wupwup

Should it be noted he wanders? AND lvl scales with party leader? - Stimpson J Kat  20:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * and that his quote is an OBVIOUS reference to Star Wars? - Stimpson J Kat  20:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * yeah the map was super handy . ..

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"UTINI!"

Natural Resistance
I am not sure if it's normal in pre-Searing, but this guy doesn't seem to have Natural Resistance unlike most bosses in Prophecies. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK  16:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Natural Resistance is a skill, it should be noted in the skill bar. Many Prophecies bosses don't have it, but instead of being obviated for them and note the exceptions, it should be noted when they have it, always, since there are many exceptions of non-Prophecies bosses that have it, and Prophecies bosses that do not have it. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 16:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh well it's okay then, thanks for clarifying. User ***EAGLEMUT*** Signature.png ***EAGLEMUT***  TALK  16:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Um what? Most prophecy bosses DO have it. Think most faction/nf bosses DO NOT have it. EoTN bosses have it and the double dmg. Justice 18:36, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * So, it seems to me that, at best, people are not clear on which bosses do/do not carry natural resistance, so perhaps we should note exceptions, even if there are dozens of them. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:57, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, as I see it it would be more logical to put Natural Resistance in the skill bar of all bosses that currently do not have it on the wiki instead. Instead saying in the boss page that they have it. Players are more likely to check just the boss page to get info about a particular boss. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 21:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Erm, I assume you mean, add NR to the skill bar of the bosses that current have it. And yes, that seems sensible. By the way, the note says:
 * Thus, Utini should not be expected to have it; he can only appear in normal mode.
 * — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Utini is a pre-Searing boss. We know pre-Searing has its own little rules, as if it wasn't really part of Prophecies. It's also a Vanguard quest NPC, and they have different rules for them too. I'd rather add the skill in all the bosses that should ahve it in their pages. That, of course, will take much more, like putting the Undead sensitivity to light for all undead that take double holy damage, but it's the proper thing to do, now that we know that it's a skill that sues up a skill bar slot, not a 'property' set for them. To give another example of that, all Hydras have Phoenix and Inferno, but we put the skills in all of their pages, not a 'they all have inferno and phoenix' in the main hydra page. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 00:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Not that there was a lot of discussion, but see this. Manifold  00:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No issue with adding NR to skills bars when applicable as this makes more sense then assuming all bosses in the game have NR but putting notes down when they do not. What you wrote about most prophecy bosses NOT having NR was completely wrong though. And there are 5 bosses in pre that DO have NR; while skullreaver may not have NR he does atleast have +1pip HR. Justice 01:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We have three different discussions going on:
 * How should we document the presence of Natural Resistance? (This part of the discussion should probably be moved to a more appropriate location.)
 * Several people have suggested included the skill on applicable boss skillbars.
 * Others have suggested putting a note on the pages of the bosses that don't have it.
 * Others have suggested doing both.


 * Do pre-Searing bosses (outside the Vanguard quests) carry Natural Resistance? (This part of the discussion should probably be moved to Talk:Natural Resistance.)
 * There's indication that they have some type of bonus, but perhaps not NR (50% hex duration).
 * None of the other bosses carry full NR in normal mode, only in HM.


 * Do Vanguard bosses carry Natural Resistance?
 * In the absence of data, shouldn't we assume that they do not? They are present only in NM and in pre, which doesn't fit any of the other bosses that carry it.

— Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * NR existed long before hardmode. Not sure where this idea that only HM bosses carry NR. NR has always been +3 HR & 50% hex/condition duration. Im not sure why the NR page doesnt have the +3 HR but maybe thats another skill or setting seperate from NR. Justice 10:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, you're right; I misinterpreted the text. In any case, my point is that (a) there are three different questions we are discussing and, for the one that pertains specifically to this page, do we have enough data to say one way or the other whether Utini has NR or not? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I wasn't testing it very deeply, but I am fairly positive that my blinding flash lasted its full duration. User ***EAGLEMUT*** Signature.png ***EAGLEMUT***  TALK  17:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Lowest level
Let's stop the revert war guys. Could you please show evidence of him being level 11? I think you might have just confused it with the surrounding Grawl Shamans but can't check myself. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK  17:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * His lowest level is 10, I was level 11. - Giant Nuker 19:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Drops
has any good drop been observed on him?
 * He, like the rest of the Vanguard Foes, drops nothing at all. Soz. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)