Talk:Troll Unguent

Does anyone have an experience if Shadow Refuge is better than Troll Ungent? ShadowFog 16:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Both have a 3 second delay before reapplying is possible, but Troll Unguent is more susceptible to interruption. Once applied, however, Troll Unguent cannot be removed. Nevertheless, even if Shadow Refuge is stripped, you are still healed. Overall, I'd have to say Shadow Refuge is superior. Less casting time means you can be doing something else with those spare two seconds, and the bonus healing should help tide you over until you can recast. Keeping it up will demand more energy, though, due to its shorter duration and ineligibility to benefit from Expertise. -- Hercanic 08:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay, it can be maintained forever now unless it gets interrupted. Justing6 00:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Buff

 * This skill recently recieved a buff so it can be constant while a ranger is sustaining heavy damage, which is useful.
 * However, an additional buff would be nice, this is one of the most awkward heals in the game, and its made on the basis that a ranger should only have to use it out of combat, sice they are backline and therfore not ment to sustain long-term pressure damage.three secconds to chug an elixer seem insane, to me. I'd like to see it with less regen, a heal tacked at the end and reduced casting time Once Great King 01:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Taking away some regen and then putting a heal on the end is just the same as having it only regen...so basically u want troll unguent to have a shorter cast time. Its fine the way it is--Justice 18:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really, you have to run away from the fray or else you'll get interrupted by some crazy interrupter. Basically if your Warrior/Ranger (which many people are) you'll have to stop tanking for a second, in which your team can get killed. Conclusion: It's useful in PvE because PvE mobs don't have that many interrupts and the one that do take the ones with a long recharge. PvP, however, is a different story.

Actually, I love this skill, and have found a way to tank with a ranger primary, using this, any of the 75% block stances, a speed boost skill, and condition removal. while I stand around for 1-2 minutes like this, my teamates all kill the 15 plus enemies I have aggroed (unless the enemies are assasins... stupid dinosaur raptor things) Mcdertr 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would you use this when you're a tank, when you have monks standing behind you? Seriously, this is one of the worst healing skills out there (in combat) because of it's long activation time. When combined with stances, it is somewhat decent. But I don't like it, there are many more direct options. 145.94.74.23 09:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * On a ranger, this is it. Luckily, it's leagues better than Healing signet, which gets dshotted by even the most asleep rangers. Natty stride generally keeps other rangers from dshotting your troll. - Auron 09:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Rangers are already impossible to kill. This doesn't need a buff. Misery  09:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This skill does NOT need a buff because:
 * It's 5 energy.
 * Lasts 13 seconds.
 * Cannot be removed when it is cast.
 * It is perfectly balanced the way it is. Secksy 10:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2* energy. - Auron 23:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You forgot to mention these reasons as well.
 * The cast time is 3 seconds and as a result this skill is very prone to interruption, especially by mesmers and other spell casters
 * Most of the time, you're killed before you experience the full effects of the skill.
 * Rangers have no other viable healing skills.
 * Takes approximately 13 seconds to experience the full effect.
 * You don't play a ranger so you wouldn't know.
 * Why does ether feast heal for 200 every 6 seconds while this heals for 210 every 13 seconds? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.140.217.22 (talk).

Idea for Buff
It's quite simple actually, reduce the cast time to 2 seconds and the duration to 12 seconds. This would allow a slightly quicker self-heal for rangers and still balance it with the fact that any half-asleep interrupter could interrupt it. Psychiatric Consultant 14:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The activation time needs to be shorter. Most ppl use a heal when theyre in a pinch, not when they think they might possibly need it and active it now just to wait it out and see if it was the right call. and considering this is one of three direct self healing skills that rangers have, I'd like pick this over lugging around a pet to use Heal as One or Companionship, but its almost not worth it. Despite having a pet hinders your abilities as it is with the way theyre set up, the heal is still so much more reliable. 3 seconds is way too long for bad shit to happen haha --70.162.177.57 09:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, you could learn how to stop sucking at guildwars, and 1)run away like all rangers are good at, then heal 2)use monks 3)use stances to get it up. 2 energy, unstrippable, decent duration and regen especially on a character that is so mobile and hardy deserves a 3 second cast to balance the scales. Pika Fan 10:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Im looking for feedback. Which is appriciated. Not your smart ass opinion of who you always think is wrong. --70.162.177.57 08:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Its fine as is. If you want a laugh, read Mcdetrs comment above ^ Its the first time ive laughed whilst reading wikipedia. 84.92.169.252 03:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not, have you ever played a ranger before? Lol. When I play my wrack mesmer I interrupt that wayyy to easily. I run for 2 seconds when I see a ranger and then rupt him and laugh because I know he doesn't have another healing skill. When I play a pvp ranger, I laugh again, at the fact that I don't have another viable healing skill and the fact that I was interrupted by a mesmer, a toxic shock sin, or another rupter ranger even after switching to my defensive set and running away for 4 seconds. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.140.217.22 (talk).

Good for Warriors Too!!!
Contrary to popular belief, this skill is also good for Warriors. Why? Because if you use Shield Bash or, even better, Wary Stance, to block interrupts, then well there's nothing bothering you from casting this skill. Also, the health regeneration is a very good thing for warriors. Bisurge 04:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * why not just bring healing breeze, mending, and healing hands? 68.54.150.61 20:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mending and Healing Hands? Are you new to Guild Wars? Ninjas In The Sky  09:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Sarcasm: The Game. - [[Image:User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG]] HeWhoIsPale 11:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * sarcasm works on the internet --Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 11:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I kinda noticed this guy is a clown but he may be a noob as well. Ninjas In The Sky  11:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Stepping around that hilarious comment, wouldn't using this skill end Wary Stance? Shield Bash is pretty good with this, though. -- Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 13:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "Wouldn't this skill end Wary Stance?" No it wouldn't. Wary stance ends when the skill casts, not when you start casting. 75.62.150.236 19:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * God. Never use this on anything besides a ranger. Seriously, it's uncool and you'll get the reputation of an idiot in PvP. Ninjas In The Sky  13:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, it's terrible in PvP. Most self-heal is. But if there is a need for PvE soloing, and for some reason you can't go wammo or W/D... never mind, screw it, don't bother. Just use some good healing. -- Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 17:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In PvE you use Healing Breeze, Vital Boon + Signet of Pious Light, Healing signet, Natural Healing. It's that simple. Troll Unguent is just a bad skill. I use it on trappers only, for a quick +10 hp regen. Ninjas In The Sky  07:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL WELCOME TO GILD WERS BE LESS BAD KTHNX  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:User Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 17:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Question
Does anyone know why it was called TROLL unguent? I can see why the unguent applies, but why troll? Couldn't it have been something a little more blunt, like recovery unguent or healing unguent, or even ranger's unguent.
 * In fantasy stuff troll's blood usually has regenerative qualities. Pahndha 18:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * so if its drinking blood then wouldnt this be more of a necromancer move? xD --Crazyejackson715 17:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's supposed to refer to the idea that the recipe for the unguent is of Troll origin or something. Nouren 18:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In most fantasy mythos, trolls have natural regeneration abilities. An unguent is pretty much like an ointment. So it basically means regenerative ointment.
 * And trolls have this skill. 84.92.169.252 03:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)