User talk:Shard/Archive9

Your block
I have lifted your block, but I would like to ask you to remove the direct references to specific people on User:Shard/Humor/Lingo, as well as change the link on your user page to User:Shard/FAQ to indicate that it is in fact your translation of Linsey's FAQ, and not actually Linsey's FAQ. You know how I feel about your attacks on ArenaNet staff, and I think everyone has realized by now that I'm more protective of Linsey than the rest, simply because I know she really does care about the community and what we want and what we say, she's just been put in a very difficult position. I really don't want the kind of attitude you are so fond of to sour that. I hope this block has shown you as well that many people in this community are getting fed up with your constant ArenaNet hate mongering. Please find a better way to communicate. -- Wyn 20:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * FIRST after clinical confirmation that LULZ R b& ...TIMEFRAME, PLOX, THGX! -- ilr  21:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am about as far from a Shard fanboy as you can get. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Y SO - CRTL+F5 ?? ..and Does Linsey's Hubby know about this Triangle? -- ilr  21:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * lol @ Ilr. I'm not a fanboy...I'm a girl. Oh, and I'm just his friend. Speaking of which, Shard you need to hurry up and move so you can hang out with the Spree.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I will change those pages. Thanks for clearing everything up with Kakarot.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the lift and thank you Wynthyst(come on Shard, where are your manners!) and ilr... both of them are woman, you know for future reference. Good luck on the editing.--ShadowFog 22:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can still have a triangle and have them be women, y'know. <.<; In any case, wb Shard and ty for unblock Wyn. DarkNecrid 05:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

About Linsey
Are you going to help me to show linsey how to balance this game? Boro 12:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you do, you should probably hold off til after the April update, at this point her userpage is getting super full and she barely has time and stuff, so after the April update simmers down and we see how that balance goes, then would be the time to get at her for balance issues and such. Izzy is still helping her out tho (as you can see from him answering your stuff Boro), but they seem to be making much better changes together lately (the past 2 updates haven't failed hard at least). DarkNecrid 14:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised as well...we've had two consecutive updates that didn't break anything, though they didn't fix anything either. I'm afraid anet wants pvp to be too noob-friendly (they dumbed it down wayyyy too much).  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just time it right, play nice, and you'll get somewhere; just don't start balance wars :P &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't give advice if you don't know what you're saying. You haven't seen the balance forums or even how team-iq forums were back in the day - you can't have a discussion on balance without it being an argument. That's simply because everyone has a different view on what "balanced" is - and because they all believe they're right, it generally becomes a huge shitfestival of people insulting each other. Izzy made the balance forums in an attempt to curb the random shitters from throwing their two sense in, but even the great players disagree constantly on what should be done to fix the game.
 * tl;dr don't pretend serious balance discussions can happen without drama. - Auron 20:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * tl;dr doesn't work for me, I read it all.
 * I'm not saying that if he starts an arguement he failed, just avoid a war. There is a difference between an arguement and a war, even a fist-fight and a war. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gonna be a little difficult if you look at where we're heading. Either something really good or really bad is coming down the pipe soon.  They're either gonna remedy this "Booned"/Humility situation and fix assassin elites, or they're gonna introduce more terrible solutions that screw over the rest of our defensive/reactive and preventative measures BEFORE taking a hard look at spiking (lookin at YOU Firemagic, Scythes, & Markmanship).  Either way, some kind of "mobile" meta 'Shift' seems to be in the works and it's not going to be "Civil" -- ilr  21:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the people who still play Guild Wars (and enjoy it) have a hard time grasping balance unless they've competitively played other games. I've had discussions with people in game who actually believe shadow stepping KD chain assassins are fine.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just want to throw in my 2 cents here before things get out of hand on this, Linsey doesn't want skill discussions on her talk page. So take your skill discussions to the Skill feedback pages. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard isn't the one posting about skills on her page, he just commented on what someone else said. Your post should go on the page of users who are posting about skills on her page.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't directing my comments to specifically Shard, it just seemed that adding it to THIS conversation would make sense. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Trudat, makes meh miss the days where the biggest arguments I was having with n00bs was over Hunts + Trueshot Aura. I blame Bad-Anime's for giving n00bs today the idea that over9000 Insta-Raep crap is somehow balanced -- ilr  22:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes me like Eve Online all the more. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  22:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree that they didn't fix anything Shard. They removed Mark of Insecurity and Hidden Caltrops off of Rt Runners, made WoD a lot less favorable (even if LC is generally taken over it now), made defensive stances less good on Monks, removed some of the power behind Turret Rangers, removed PRage from play, made WoW + AR less strong. I'd agree there wasn't any heavy fixes, but they definitely fixed stuff without breaking the game at all either, can't wait to see what happens this April. DarkNecrid 12:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you mean they made secondaries less flexible, didn't change what made HC overpowered, didn't change what made WoD overpowered, didn't change what made turret rangers overpowered, didn't change PRage at all, added damage to ARage, and didn't nerf the primary use for WoW, then I completely agree with you, stance monks got owned. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They weren't the best changes (hell, look at PwK for a GREAT example of that) but they still changed up the meta enough, and the updates could have been a lot worse given the kind of updates that have been pushed out before. At the least, it gives me slightly more hope for a super godly update if they at least keep the current trend of not introducing broken crap going (one can hope right?). DarkNecrid 06:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Linsey stated that once the april update goes through, she will have time to fix crap. I guess the 3+ months of planning she's been doing kept her away from balancing the game.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * So you're saying prage is still viable? Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 08:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Idk, I've never used it. Losing my elite for a skill that already exists never appealed to me. Just saying the change from 33% to 25% and an upped recharge didn't really do much. Tons of people still use it.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 09:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The upped recharge killed it. People who use it now are dumb or very brave (I-really-trust-my-monks brave). It's a lame argument, but tbh you'd have to have tried it to feel how powerful it was...I thought it was total crap too, cause Frenzy and Rush work just fine, but I proved myself wrong. Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 10:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never had a reason to run an elite I have a nonelite version of. The only time I stop doing damage is when I'm snared, which Prage doesn't prevent.  I usually try to run everything at least once, but what's the point in this case?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But see, even with Frenzy + Rush or Flail + Dash etc., you could never have an IAS and an IMS at the same time...unless you took skill like "Charge!" and IAS, but that's rare. "Charge!" is a fantastic buff, but you have to spec Tactics for it; prage let you have that kind of power with 16 axe 13 strength. However, before the recharge nerf, you could even spec into Tactics too if you wanted; it was maintainable with as little as 3 strength. Prage with Rush as the cancel also gave permanent IMS, which was great. When it was 33% IMS, you basically could not be kited period. But even at 25% it was good, since the long duration/short recharge meant your IMS outlasted theirs (take that, nattystride).
 * Where prage really shined was on moving targets/kiting foes. You could pursue them indefinitely and still have IAS up at all times, which made landing a Bull's much easier, and deadlier...you seamlessly moved into a spike. But even if you didn't bother with Bull's you scored more hits than you would with just an IMS. And we all know axe crits hurt.
 * Lastly, even though it took your elite, it was a worthwhile tradeoff. If Evis was dropped, you lost maybe 30 damage on your spike, but did a bunch more damage at other times from permanent IAS/IMS. Dismember/Agonizing also charges faster/more often; so even if it was weaker, a disruption didn't screw you over as completely.
 * Anyway, this probably just sounds like a bunch of theorycrafting, and of course thanks to ANet you couldn't try it now even if you wanted, so I'll stop trying to convince you... this is just from my own very limited experience, after all. But if they ever make prage viable again, I'd urge you to at least try it once. Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 21:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I get why people use it, but I catch kiting targets with bull's or cripslash, not with speed boosts. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "Where is your God Cripslah now?!" Pre-kiting is strong.  Of course, most midline cbf nowadays. =/  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  21:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

By Ural's Hammer
You sure about this? I use it fairly often and never noticed this, so I did some testing on the isle of nameless: Unlike the skill page says, it does not seem to count dead allies. Otherwise it seems to work fine.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 02:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * When Dunkoro bips himself to below 50% and I activate ural's (1 ally below 50%), it lasts 20 seconds, as it should.
 * When both Dunkoro and Tahlkora drop themselves below 50% and I activate ural's (2 allies below 50%), it lasts 30 seconds, also as it should.
 * When Dunkoro is dead and Tahlkora at full health, it lasts 10 seconds.
 * When Dunkoro is dead and Tahlkora is below 50%, it lasts 20 seconds.
 * When both heroes are dead, it lasts 10 seconds.
 * When I used the trebuchet to kill all the practice targets (including allied ones), ural's lasted 10 seconds.
 * I'm still getting different results. Maybe I'm just getting tons and tons of lag. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Many things are considered ally in GW, they might be considered to be at 50% HP because they only have 1 hit point at any time, possibly? Stuff like Minipets, the Monuments in the EotN, etc? Could that be it, slightly throwing off the times? DarkNecrid 11:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was using it in a vanquish, and I was 100% sure every time I used it, someone was below half (but not dead). Either I was getting huge lag and they got healed before the skill actually went up, or they were just barely out of my earshot, but pretty much every time I used it, it only lasted 9 seconds.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Making a system

 * Hey Shard. I'm in the process of making a system to measure skill power for individual skills. It's very much based on the conditionals of skills but I think you might like to take a look at it. User:The_Sins_We_Die_By/Party_Build
 * I'm not finished, but I'm thinking some reviews so far would be good. ~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 08:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Old Ban
I was wondering if you got the ban stick as well. I feel better about that knowing you both got banned and not just Adrin. Seems Purge and I were smart to not join the chorus.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  21:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention, pro mesmer LFG...-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * At least now he can't drag me into his pve shit. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Adrin was so mad this morning. Come on though...what did you expect to happen? Wasabi is an anet favorite...of course you guys were bound to get in trouble for teasing him, its like the teacher's pet tattling. -- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to get him banned, except he's in the rawr club. Anet likes blowjobs more than they like being fair. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now now, NPA...lets not get a wiki ban too. I'm on MSN, come on with me to pass the time on my friday afternoon.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think Shard can be blocked for that since I've seen some similar stuff on Auron's page.
 * At least now he can't drag me into his pve shit I'd be offended.. but it's true =\ -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 10:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * @IP:Shard was banned in-game, not from the wiki. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're back!! Now get on vent.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 02:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

wasabiiiiiiii
what did he do this time? ebay gold? buy more fame? sell minipets stolen from devs? :p - Auron &gt;8&lt; 04:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I spammed a link to a youtube video of him getting rickrolled in HA and he reported me for spamming an inappropriate web page. Then he trash talked my guildies in private chat, which mysteriously didn't get logged into Anet's chat logs.  He was also charging scamming people 100k to watch him dedicate a minipet.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He called yasmin a fat cackling witch... and I get banned. Nice joke -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 10:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a pretty cackling witch.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 17:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any screenies? I'll file a ticket if you do. People like that need to be banned, and wasabi is one of the worst. - Auron &gt;8&lt; 00:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Adrin already sent NCsoft screenies. He put the whole conversation on his page. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Screens: [] [] and here's a petition: [] -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 10:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * HUNT THE WITCH !!!! BURN BURN BURN !!! I mean yasmin is not fat :o /signed petition Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  12:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for not cropping just the chatbox. I like screenshots of chatboxes better when they take half a second longer to load and are blurry so I have to plant my face on my monitor.
 * 65 wins in a row? Do you think someone who wipes in 41 seconds against 8 people is capable of winning 65 consecutives against 16 people? Neither do I.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I cannot believe anyone could get 65 wins in a row except in PvE. Even if you run the most broken skills and builds people will just assume you will run them again and make a build to counter it specifically (once my team kept going up against SF spike and losing so I brought Ward against Harm. Took about 21 damage from meteors and 19 damage from searing flames).
 * Power of my Rangers and the people in his group, AFAIK, are the only people who have at least 65 wins in a row. Most of the other people I play with, as well as myself, hold records around only 30.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * yw for the huge screenies. also, he was talking about 65 TA wins in a row. i think he just played the first RA match 65 times. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 21:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * sure he's not just buying glad points? he bought his tiger, so i wouldnt put it past him. - Auron &gt;8&lt; 22:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we stop this witch-hunting or ... conspiring about White Wasabi? We kinda went over this with Noxify (albeit that was a more... elevated situation). -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 22:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As soon as anet undoes my BS ban...which ends in like 10 hours so it doesn't really matter. I dont see how youtube is offensive but "your wife is a fat cackling witch...is she 200+?" isn't.  I already reported him for his name but anet thinks it's pretty appropriate, and we all know how far anet will stretch to get a name banned (Battery Powered Best Friend).  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Endangered Feces [DoDo], tbh. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 01:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll bet they will ban you for Iol Swastica. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet bans pretty quickly unless you buy lots of them.The thing is it doesnt matter as whining about it wont get your acc back and just frustrates you even more then again it can be fun lol.The thing is will anet actually ban wasabi ? I dont think so Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  04:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I ran with ZoS for a while. White Wasabi was one rude crude dude, (how do you say huge fucking asshole without breaking NPA?) probably the main reason why I left.  It would help if the Anet guild wasn't being run by complete jerks.  Seriously though, you're the last person I'd expect to bring this up, Auron.  Also, they insist on running balanced, and fail at it.  68.51.95.206 14:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's because Wasabi thinks buying gold trim makes him a top pvper (he really said that). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thanks for your support in nerfing non-elite skills that can be maintained easily in a paraway team that allow monks to kite anything short of snares while gaining health. Oh, and here's some inspiration: "Shout. If used on a healer, that character gains immunity to attackers with IMS skills and gains health while kiting away. Attribute:Skills that need to end if you use spells on allies".
 * ...AND U R...?? -- ilr  01:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So i herd ANet balances things around gimmicks. Vampiric Touch needs to be nerfed because it is too strong on touchers. Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 22:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lern2Sway. Lern2instagib.  Lern2Paraway.  Lern2FC airspike.  Lern2Signet Smiter.  Lern2FC snare.  True, a lot of those skills were strong in their normal use, too.  It's just that they weren't OMGodly until they were used in imba combos.  Like a Dervish blowing up your entire army of NPCs in six attacks at VoD, or a flag runner totally killing movement ability on a split. =/
 * Also, how do you define "gimmick"? [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  23:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gimmick--ShadowFog 00:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "A gimmick build is a build that the the user of the word deems to be something they dislike. [...] It is often open to personal interpretation whether or not a build is a gimmick." Did you even read the thing?  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  01:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd define a gimmick as any new or rebuilt skill mechanic that goes against the original spirit of the game but is inserted anyway because the Devs want to experiment with said new gimmick to explore new playstyles. The negative connotations however and occasional implementation into FotM builds is usually a direct result of said Devs not fully considering and calculating every combination with other skills/classes and putting limitations on them beforehand.  ...Instead letting the chips falls where they may, and playing catch-up after the fact. It's Moreauvian design in commercial software form -- ilr  04:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ilr for once. I know that it's a lot of work to test out every single possible combination, let alone try it on the AI (loltease) or monsters (lol sins with broken chains). But some things should just have been glaringly obvious that I can't believe they were put in... like when Shadow Form was maintainable in PvP. What the fuck were they thinking there? :\ Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 06:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you go by the actual meaning of "Gimmick" in this context, it's something you use that makes doing something easier than intended. Not subjective at all. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've always thought of a gimmick as something that is of lesser quality that is sup'ed up to make it appear to be better. In the case of guildwars you have players who with balanced skill bars are players of lower quality.  But they seem better with gimmick bars. Prime Example .  The problem is ANet doesn't really have set standards for how easy strategies shoulds be to pull off.  It's really more defined by the players than anything.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 12:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a saying in competitive games: If koreans don't dominate your game, it's not skillful enough. Look why EviL doesn't play anymore. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because of military, not having their entire core come back, and running bars from 3 years ago 3 years later? DarkNecrid 01:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Read more of the truth instead of anet's website.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, fill me in, because they had mandatory Korean military duty way back when, they didn't get their entire core back (I know this from observer), and I watched them on observer and they were running pretty WTF bars. That isn't to say that I'm sure the state of the game didn't have anything to do with it, but I never saw anything besides military service affecting them + them playing dreadfully on observer mode. DarkNecrid 03:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Their military service ended. The "WTF bars" they ran were builds that capitalize on being good with them (ie builds that dont work in GW anymore).  How many people from EviL play today?  None.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * First to say, saying that something that once worked in a competitive environment should still work in a different competitive environment is not a sound argument. But that's besides the point. I agree there are allot of problems with Guild Wars. In fact, I have my own short list of mechanics I really dislike: Shadow Stepping and Invincibility. I personally do not like these because there is no direct way to counter them or reverse them on an opponent. I think allot of this is due to shortsightedness when they released the Factions and Nightfall. I'd love to discuss this more, but don't have the time right now. Feel free to post any thoughts you have on my talk page. I'm really interested in some of your views and would love to discuss them. Saraphimknight 13:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In reply to what you said on my page: I concede to your argument there (sorry, I was being picky about your exact words in that reply). Anyhow, I was meaning in general, your thoughts about power creeps and what you thought were breaking. I could be more specific, but that sometimes only confuses people. I would like to know what you personally feel was the power creep introduced by Factions, followed by Nightfall, if we were to be specific. I hope this helps.
 * Aside, I've always been intrigued by your entries on the wiki, mainly because I view them from two standpoints, being both developer and consumer. Anyhow, I hope this clarifies a little.Saraphimknight 21:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

dark necrid, User:Auron/GuildWarsSucksSoMuch/EvIL Guild returns read plz - Auron &gt;8&lt; 08:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * TY. Good read. DarkNecrid 17:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Head Bashing

 * I may have to inflict some self pain to deal with the results of this coming update. Since I've been working on my system little by little I know more than I want to know about OPness of the insane buffs going down over the past FOREVER (not really, exaggerating).~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 08:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Mr sins, you really annoyed me here. If something grinds my gears, it's this lack of faith I see everyone has on this wiki. Look at last month's skill update. Did that really look so bad? Please, PLEASE judge after the skill update is done. This just looks like Shard fanboiness to me. Dark Morphon 14:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once I agree with Dark Morphon. It goes along with the comment some IP made on Linsey's page that she doesn't pvp, based on a 3 month old skill update. You might just be surprised if you would just AGF. Linsey is working her tail off for this community and this game, and has proved herself responsive to said community. Your constant doubt and bashing is just going to lose you any (respected) voice in any changes being made. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 14:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Last month's update was all of last month ago, and yes, it was bad. It did absolutely nothing to address the problems currently in the game (with the exception of a minor nerf to Wail of Doom, which has already been power creeped out). It's one more piece of evidence in the pile that shows that ANet doesn't know what's wrong with their game or is unwilling to fix it. We've not had a proper update (one that actually fixed important problems) since long before ANet decided to focus almost exclusively on GW2. 69.109.161.198 16:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They didn't fix every issue ever (that's a ridiculous thing to expect, though, that'd be the longest patch notes ever), but they did remove a few troublesome skills to where they should be (HC shouldn't be on a freaking flag runner) and so on (PRage, WoW, AR!). More importantly, they didn't break the game any further, and they managed to pull that off twice! I'm expecting the April one to be better + bigger now that she's gotten her feet wet. DarkNecrid 18:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, all they did is restrict secondary classes, but it's not like those are important or anything. --71.229.253.172 18:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This month is content oriented, not balance oriented. Don't expect many skill changes.  Expect book storage and HoM changes.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm expecting a big balance update because it's the 4th anniversary, that's about the only real reason why. :( DarkNecrid 02:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Both of you need to take it down a notch too. Shard didn't invent cynicism and no one's a fanboy of his just because they express low or jilted expectations.  Shard didn't make H8'ngAnet cool,  Nostalgia  and Anet itself made H8'ngAnet cool. -- ilr  21:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * wat? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 21:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For those whom I've annoyed, I don't really care. What I do care about is that most of these issues have been around since before your Goddess of the Wiki Linsey has taken charge and they still have yet to be resolved.  Not putting her down as it's obvious she does more work on this game than most, but it doesn't change the facts.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 01:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Give her some time, she's just getting the hang of things and learning the ropes. You don't become a super balancer after one or two builds, it takes some time. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  02:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can say at least she knows the problems, which is a new trend at Anet. They used to roll dice to figure out what to change. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Izzy's old balance method. I think I'll work on balancing 3 skills this week. Compile skill list. Find currentSkillTtl. /Roll 1319 * 3~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 02:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * True enough Jon Latin wolf, but I want to see risks taken to piss off PvE players. A.K.A. nerfs.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 03:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is pissing PvE players off even an issue to you? Nerfing a skill just to do so is not balancing the game, which is what you seem sooooo concerned about. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 04:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Jon butchered Latin wolf that is, it's a rather old joke. The PvE players swallow down changes much more easily than most PvP players, but I would like to see a few more PvE nerfs too. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  04:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * idk all I've ever seen when a nerf happens is PvE style players complain that the dumb PvPers need to learn to adapt because apparently you can predict exactly what every enemy team ever is going to take / you have 1319 skill skill bars? That isn't to say there isn't PvE style players who don't swallow changes, but that's always the #1 complaint generally followed by "zomg just counter it" (USE SIGNET OF DISENCHANTMENT LOL SHADOW FORM ISN"T OP (yes someone said this on Guru)). They won't make nerfs to annoy PvE players though, that's why they made the skill split system. It wasn't to make PvP better balanced per se, it was so they could change skills and never have to nerf anything in PvE ever so no one complains. The only thing they've ever nerfed in PvE is Ursan and Shadow Form. Woo. DarkNecrid 04:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nerfs NEED to happen in both PvE and PvP so we don't have a retarded disparity between player skill levels. I'm tired of being able to generalize people as noobs bcs they play PvE only (When it works 95% of the time there's a problem).  This shouldn't be possible to the degree it is at currently. I should expect some gap yes, but not a Middle School Education Compared to a College Education.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 05:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * PvE is def too easy and too farmable. When pve players try to pvp, it's a completely different game because of the difficulty.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, there are two optional viable ways to balance this game. The first is through tiny tweaks, keeping the power creep as it is, changing as little as possible and trying to bring problems back slowly step by step. This is the approach Anet seems to be taking viewing the update they did last month. This won't lead to a fully balanced game, but is managable and if done right can lead to most skills being balanced. The other option, which everyone here seems to advocate, is to entirely change the game, nerfing everything and anything and bringing skills back to a much lower level. But really, since we are already in this power creep, why change everything when the solution is so simple? Just increase the amount of maximum health. Yeah, that is more power creep. But honestly, if the numbers work, who cares how big they are? Really, this fake discussion is just meant to flame Anet just like the "bug" to dancing daggers and a hell of a lot more. Dark Morphon 10:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I love how you jump to conclusions after Linsey taking a bit of time to get her feet wet with balance work. When your new at a job, would you dive into it and try to do everything right off the bat, or would you take some time to get the hang of things to make sure you actualy know what your doing before hand? &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I like you, Jon, but you need to realize that GW's been out for over three years now. There is honestly not that much to learn about it at this point because (sadly) so many skills are useless because the rest are superpowered. Yes, if Shard or Auron were made game balancer, they would dive right in and change pretty much everything on their first go because they know what needs to be changed and have the balls to do it. Lindsey seems to lack one of the two (or ANet is still doing their bullshit "check everything fifty times on paper before it goes live so as to not piss people off", which should have stopped with the PvE/P split). 69.109.116.182 17:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sure Shard or Auron would dive right and and mix things up, but I don't think Linsey is a s highly enlightened in the ways of PvP balance as them. Playing Guild Wars and working for Arena Net long enough doesn't automatically give you the knowledge to balance correctly. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  17:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think she doesn't have the balls honestly, physiological issues there. But seriously my "faith" in ArenaNet has not been well placed in the past when it comes to hopeful balances.  Also its not difficult to trace what needs changed, it's not like we have an archive of updates for the past couple years or anything.  Some things need killed, but not everything.  Other things need tweaked.~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 18:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just waiting to see how things go in the long run, THEN I will make my judgement. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  18:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Her prepping the April Update and having a tiny live team is what's stopping good balances from coming out. Wait until next month and see how things go.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There may not have been any good updates yet, but on the bright side, there haven't been any bad ones either. Oh and thanks for the typo fix Shard. :) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * HA HA HA... that was either worst rationale/ideas I've ever read on this wiki, or a mighty morphon power trolling. Either way my hats off to DM for that epic farce -- ilr  02:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As a general guideline I'm going with when a prot monk is viable in the meta it's balanced. Not completely balanced, but at least enough that ANet can nitpick fixes (I wish).<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 19:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol ILR, you're so terrible that you hurt my eyes. Dark Morphon 11:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * @Jon: Yes, they'd dive right in and might find the water to be just 10 inches deep. Better wear helmets. It's sensible. Oh, wait... 145.94.74.23 14:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Logic and common sense says to know what your doing and make sure of it before you start any major work on a job. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

sotd echo
i dont get your skill of the day with echo.... -- adrin  01:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you put skill of the day comments on the skill of the day talk page? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Various Collectible Items?
Really? I've only seen him ask for the grawl necklaces. What else does he collect? -- Salome   01:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Linsey said the item he looks for changes every day. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh thats kinda cool! -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 01:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi
I've subscribed to your channel and I must say I'm really impressed by crusade :) If you want I can add GW skills (just say wich ones and I'll do my best) and give the file back with the added skills ^^ Lilondra   *panda*  17:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * On that note, where does one get a copy of it? Is it an invite-only kind of thing until it's out of alpha, or is it accessible to all?  Because I'd like to try it sometime.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Im releasing binaries for it this weekend. If you've never used eclipse (the IDE) before, it might be a little confusing, but I have a little step by step thing on my forum on how it should work.
 * @Lilondra: I won't be needing scripts for the GW skills. The skillscript file is open source so people can do that themselves if they want, but those skills will not be in any releases of my game (though many of the skills in GW will have a similar counterpart).  I threw away my old skillsystem (which used recharges) for a new one (which uses a "deck" of skills you draw and discard throughout the match), so I got rid of all the old skills.
 * this topic has the stuff you'll want to read. I slopped that together quickly, so it's probably not very coherent in the order I put things in.  I'll improve on it later.  Right now I'm trying to get all the media together for people to get the engine running (skydome and land textures, a few models, etc.)  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Get on MSN with me while you're at it.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just put the binaries up on savefile. You can run the engine now (let me know if it doesnt work, but on my forums plz)  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

.........
Shard, I drank 2 Go Girls and a Venti Caramel Macchiatto...and I haven't eaten anything today. I'm going to be talking a mile a min. when I get home tonight, so just an advanced warning.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  20:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

So are you trolling or just genuinely unpleasant?
Vael Victus  21:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're referring to...? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I got a PM with almost the exact subject line once on the presearing website.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  22:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What PM? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * why cant be be both? a unpleasant troll hehe :P Fall 22:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Private Message, homie. I'm a jackass on most the forums I frequent..-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  22:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what a PM is, but I have no idea what PM you're talking about or who this vael victus guy is. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oh, my comment doesn't have much to do with whatever he's saying. I just saw the topic title and was like "Oh snap." And chimed in for no reason.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  23:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard is not trolling or unpleasant, he's just portraying the truth on Build Wars.
 * Actually, I just point out other peoples' mistakes as they make them. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Its customary to shoot the Messenger. ...or in Vael's case; here, randomly cast magic missile at shadows -- ilr  09:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I KAST MAJIK MISSEL AT TEH DARKNESS.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  14:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

You can say the same things without being as rude. If you really cared about saying them, you wouldn't be rude, so people would accept your ideas easier. Vael Victus  14:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No one pays attention until you yell at them. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  14:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I pay attention LESS once people start yelling. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  17:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't pay attention in either case Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  19:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're in a library studying for midterms and there are students at the desks to either side of you, one quietly listening to an ipod, the other blaring "I Kissed A Girl" through echoing speakers, the latter is going to have more of your attention. They may not have your respect or appreciation, but they will most certainly have your attention.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  20:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why I study in conditions where all I can hear is my own music, so only my music and my studies can and will have my attention. Or just study where no one else is. :P I can play off other people's analogies too. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not what I'm used to, just, wanna try you on, I'm curious for you...caught my attention.... Damnit Raine. DarkNecrid 03:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Vael, you're going to have to explain why you're posting on my page and exactly what you're posting about, because I have no idea who you are and I have no idea what you're talking about. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I doubt he's being specific. He is merely making a generalization, or is trolling. Perhaps both.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 04:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * He put his whole message in the title bar and didn't bother to specify what made him think that. He's trolling.  It's not very good trolling, mind you, but it's good enough for an MMO wiki, I guess.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like I got my answer. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 00:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You got your answer from me barely saying anything? That's quite closed-minded of you.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

sc rank
whats your sc rank right now? Fall 23:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty bad. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Vote Shard
-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  16:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a beginning of a war. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 18:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * this has neary tempted me to register 2 contribute 2 the lulz--92.11.215.152 18:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I might update the "no" to have a red slash through his phoenix...let me think and play with it.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm taking a firm neutral stance on this one, so don't catch me in the crossfire. X) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ...or save shoop-time and just use the dancing daggers icon instead -- ilr  21:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If I had the edit-count high enough I would vote Shard, but I doubt I could get enough by Friday :( --AlexEternal 21:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hey alex lol its aura <your fellow tig hehe--92.11.215.152 22:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ban
What did Anet claim that they banned you for?72.64.14.52 00:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Image:User Shard Nicejoke.png ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.. can you list EVERYTHING that they have suspended your account for in the past? I'm not implying that you broke any rules, I'd just like to see a list of what Anet is blaming you for. It's funny how they say "repeated EULA violations" but don't list anything. 72.64.14.52 00:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's all they will tell me. I sent a support ticket and haven't gotten a response. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * IIRC your account has been suspended at least once before this. What were any prior suspensions for? I somehow can't believe that someone would get permabanned for insults/offensive language/racial slurs except maybe on a forum. EDIT- I just figured out that perhaps Anet wants to make gimmicks the new metagame and therefore they have to throw out all the players who actually have skill.
 * In GW Shard was banned ONCE for posting a youtube video in local chat. Wiki, which SUPPOSEDLY does not apply to his in game actions, he has had a few bans for NPA.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 01:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was banned once before for racial slurs and once for language in all chat, but those were both over a year ago. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do they have anything legit? By that I mean really legit, because full blown account termination SHOULD warrant something extreme. I'm assuming myself you did nothing and that this is a crucifixion or a bad joke.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 02:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We're on vent now...if you want to talk to us.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 03:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mind if I listen in? Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 03:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be in very soon, but I might be silent for a few minutes getting things reconfigured. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  03:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Come on in Vili...wiki email me for vent...or ask raine she's with us.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 03:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually anet doesnt only permaban for something extreme trust me Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  15:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2 offensive language suspensions over a year ago should NOT be enough to ban someone. I read the rules and it said that marks placed against your account disappear with time.
 * Can you quote that? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (resetting indent so the amount of indentation is not obnoxious) []
 * "Those who fail to observe the Rules of Conduct will have an administrative "mark" placed on their Guild Wars account. Each mark will suspend the player's account for a given period of time. The period of account suspension will rise with each subsequent mark against the player's account. Account marks expire after a period of time. Therefore, a player can clear his/her account of marks, and remove the risk of lengthy suspension, simply by obeying the Rules of Conduct." According to this, you would only get permabanned for chat violations if you consistently use bad language and get reported. If you only swear every once in a while you'll get the occasional administrative mark but those should expire.72.71.231.4 15:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately they don't clarify a timeframe for marks to expire so they can make anything they want up to fit Shard's situation. Simply bcs they are tired of being questioned by him and others constantly.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 18:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In this case, "Period of time" must mean three years, because that's about when my first block was. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Diablo 2 Hamachi Parties
I'll join in. Weekends are best for me, pretty much any time but 5:00-7:00-ish CST. I have Lord of Destruction, and I'm ready to go whenever. &mdash; Jon    Lupen  02:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm playing d2 right now lol. send me a wiki email for the IP info and our vent.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 02:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, email will be away shortly. I'll see how long I can stick around for. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  02:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

OT: Diablo 2 Median is an amazing mod. --75.71.67.5 02:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's an issue with v1.12 and older mods...I couldn't even get the txt files work with -direct. We could use closed Bnet too...though I won't be able to hack everyone an XP charm to make leveling faster. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm cool with anything. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  03:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Tis a shame I uninstalled Diablo II about 3 years ago. I'd have to see if I could scrounge up the whole collection of CDs from my friends if I were to think of getting back into the game. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 15:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sins needs to find his too, if you guys all joined, we'd have 7 people I think. Partay!  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was big into D2 Mods and I'd join, except my CD-rom died a while ago so I can't start the damn game. ...Stupid ass late-90's "copy protection", so glad that Fad is over (most Online games verify automatically Online now, the way it should be!) -- ilr  20:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, we have like 10 people now :P
 * I'm running a server-side-only mod with extra custom uniques and a special cow level. Good stuff. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If I ever get around to getting those discs, I'd try your server out. However, I'd probably be mostly Closed. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 03:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't wait for me (as I'm sure your not). No telling how long until I sort some things out on my end and find some time to play again. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  04:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

If you're having trouble with the copy protection, the crack at gameburnworld.com works. Just download the proper version, back up the original Diablo II.exe, and drag the new one to the folder. If you can't find your disks, just torrent it. --75.71.65.109 04:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * @ilr: or maybe find an extraclient source to download the 1.12 patch. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 04:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have your CD key, make a battle.net 2.0 account and add the cd key to your list of games. You will be able to download it anytime you want for free.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard, I wanna get my server comp running d2 but I'm getting direct 3d issues like with GW cuz there's no monitor attached. When we eventually get a new monitor for yasmin i'll put hers on the slave and try to get it set up with a perma d2 server. Will that work? -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 17:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because D2 servers don't continuously spawn enemies, and they have a strict limit of 8 people per game. It's better if we just host new games when we play.
 * You could probably google a program that emulates a monitor on your comp for any other games we want to persistently host. (I don't know if any exist but you could try). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Your ban
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA! The irony. 213.84.237.123 13:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i⋅ro⋅ny    /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] –noun, plural -nies.
 * 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
 * 2. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
 * I fail to see how this would qualify as "irony." Perhaps the term you're looking for is dickery or perhaps simply bullshit?  Or in your case, maybe just trolling.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 14:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why did you get banned anyway ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  14:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean the reason they use so "anet is incompetent" is not a reason Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  14:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not irony, it's power abuse. The wiki is not GW and punishments can't be carried over between the both of them, unless you are in a position to abuse power of course.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 16:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Abuse begets abuse. You abuse the party in power and they have muscles to flex, eventually they will stop putting up with it and show you who's boss. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  17:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet cannot ban Shard for flaming them on the wiki since their rules of conduct apply only to Build Wars. If they wanted to ban Shard for flaming on the wiki they would have to add a rule about that in their terms of use.71.174.21.121 20:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Support is so terrible they don't even know what guildwars is.The best information they give is straight out of the manual.So TBH I don't think this was the case.Anet just bans really really quickly Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  20:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Arena Net doesn't ban, NCSoft does. Get your facts strait before you throw around accusations. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not completely true, while Support is done through NCSoft's site, ArenaNet GMs do have ban capability, and members like Gaile do join support tickets and decide the outcome. Also, Support runs off what ArenaNet makes up and is largely just an extension of them, and does what they say (obviously), so saying it's ArenaNet banning you isn't really that far off considering ArenaNet + support obviously talk to each other often. DarkNecrid 20:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * @Jon - Abuse begets abuse, but legal abuse (trolling wiki) should not beget illegal abuse (banning customers without proper reason). I'm sure the EULA states that "We may terminate the Service at any time, with or without reason" or some such (most do), but if you're being permabanned for no reason, there's no reason why you should be told that it was for repeated violations of EULA.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  22:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if they say "We can ban you anytime" in the EULA, if the reasons are outrageous enough (like if they banned all gay players all of a sudden), no judge will hold the EULA up. Contracts are only valid until a judge disagrees with them. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't even need to happen. IF Anet bans enough people because "they can ban you anytime" according to the EULA, enough people will get annoyed and they will post about it on every forum/discussion site in existence. Build Wars would get a bad name and no one would consider purchasing ANY product from Anet because they don't want to get banned and waste their money.72.71.211.30 14:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Jon I wasnt throwing out random accusations I had to buy a new account because they permabanned me. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.png|21x21px]] *panda*  09:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There was no "random" in what I said. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  17:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Termination Statement "YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT NC INTERACTIVE HAS THE RIGHT, BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION, TO REMOVE ANY CONTENT (INCLUDING YOURS) IN WHOLE OR IN PART AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND." (Yes it is capitalised like that)
 * Personally I think it would be awesome if courts would rule these statements illegal, because they can potentially be used to spite people *cough*shard*cough*adrin or to simply rob people of money. Also since EULAs are contracts we should be able to negotiate portions of them upon creating an account lols.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 19:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess 1 mention wasn't enough... "NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion."<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 19:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And again. 3 Different instances mentioning they have all rights to do whatever the hell they want for no reason. Whenever law catches up to technology these shouldn't exist anymore.  Not because companies are about screwing people over, but because simply there is the potential to and it has happened, like here.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 20:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I've said, the EULA is nice and all, but anet is making it REALLY easy for people to beat them in court. Honestly, I think they wanted to silence me so I wouldn't discourage people from buying GW2. They obviously don't know me too well. They should have fixed the game.  That would not only shut me up, but it would fix the game as well, both things anet desperately needs.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

New User Box
Suits well <font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB 08:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a check
but does any of your characters start with "Gott"?Pika Fan 16:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * None of his do, no.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 02:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Check #2
Are you on Steam by chance? Figured now would be a good time to ask since your GW account hit the rocks and I heard ya weren't using it much anyway... Also b/c I saw someone named "Shard" on there(a TF2 game) last night. -- ilr  19:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have steam, but I hardly play CSS anymore (I don't have TF2). I think my handle is ShardFenix on steam, not sure though.  I haven't reinstalled it on my new comp yet. Got too many projects going.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont get TF2. You will get hook up for too long! You might abandon the wiki!--ShadowFog 18:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you haven't noticed, I don't use the wiki to play GW. I'll always be here. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

How ArenaNet fixes Grinding in Guild Wars:
1, 2, 3, 4. Conclusion: By banning all the Grind Bots (or those players that grind so much they could be mistaken for bots.) -- Riddle 14:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it was intended to, but this post made me giggle.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is obviously sarcastic in nature, thus it was intended to be humourous in a sense. Oh the wonders of satire.Pika Fan 04:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

lol
So you'd rather see me stay as an active sysop than a bureaucrat. That's cool :P -- Wyn 08:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're probably better as a sysop, and brains is probably better as a bureaucrat. Thanks also for keeping Linsey's pages. . . erm. . .organized, more or less ;) ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

anything new while I was gone?
y/n? -- NUKLEAR   IIV  17:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We have a bureaucrat election, Misery and Wynthyst are running, Shard got banned from GuildWars, there was no skill update last month, the archive where suggestions for guildwars was stored got deleted, a new system of coins a la WoW, Ritualist hybrid are being used instead of the Ritualist in GvG, GvG noobs new to Faction's PvP think their GvG build works in those arenas(JQ was filled with GvG builds... same with AB and FA), people in HB were doing barrel rolls to farm coins, Guild Wars trilogy is being sold through Steam, last time I checked was in Number 5 as most products sold through Steam, Weapon of Warding got nerfed so substitute a skill for Resilient Weapon, etc. I think I left some things.--ShadowFog 19:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to turn my awesomeface into rapeface, but it didn't work. I did update my skills page though.  Oh, in the game?  If by "anything new" you mean "did they do anything at all to try to fix what's wrong with the game," then no, nothing at all.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why was he banned?Does it have to do with the color white and the verb "spamming"?--Wealedout 14:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * After carefully reviewing the evidence, I'm convinced ANet did it for the lulz. If you can find another reason he would be banned, aside from being OMG NOT POLITE! on the wiki, I'd be glad to hear it.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 17:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's pretend for a minute that they did it purely out of spite. And I don't mean "they" as in some rogue GM either.  What's he lost of real consequence?  Buncha level 20's? -> One of us could loan him just a fraction of our bank reserves and it would be more than enough to pay for all of them to be PL'd right back up.   Some Gear?? --> With more storage from this update, Gear Prices will PLUMMET.  Heroes/Pets and Hall Titles??? --> Just a buncha grind that STILL won't matter for 2 more years atleast.  Unlocked SKILLS???? ---> LMAO, considering there's only a dozen of them that really matter in PvP anymore, he's not losing anything there either.   ....Seriously, you could wipe my entire Account tomorrow and I wouldn't blink twice.  the only thing I'd miss would be the Custom Armors b/c it took me a long time to figure out each piece and each dye.  Everything else in this game... I value even less than my TF2 Achievements or all my posts on this stupid Wiki. -- ilr  20:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Character name reservations? (I wonder if char/guild names used by banned accounts are still used, or are freed up.) Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 21:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * They're still used. It would still be nice to have my account back and not have to use one of my other ones.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

can you help?

 * I have ran into a situation I can't handle:


 * Prior to this day I used Microsoft Visual C++ (which sucked), and Turbo Pascal (in school) to make programs. Theese had their own editors, so I could write down the code inside the program and could run the debug or the start without debugging to see how my programs work.


 * I am using - the better expression would be having, because I didn't figure out how to use it - MinGW (minimalist GNU for windows) and MySYS (MinimalSystem), the latter is a command line interpreter system. I was told that I need theese to make working programs.


 * That was then before I needed to change to GCC (because visualc++ didn't cooperate with classes properly).


 * I have saved a program in a plaintext file before reinstalling windows and fully cleaning my hard disk, and decided to try to compile it. On the minGW website it explains that I need to make one environment variable (c:/Programozas/MinGW/bin), which I did. The plaintext (notepad) file is named str.cpp after I changed the extension, and is in c:/Programozas/WorkDir/STR


 * I was told to do the following in MSYS:


 * cd c:/Programozas/WorkDir/STR


 * and then write:


 * g++ str.cpp -o str.exe


 * the problem: It doesn't find or even recognize the str.cpp file. (no input)


 * I don't know how to develop programs this way so if you can help then please do. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 18:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When I compile C programs by command line, I use a unix based compiler. I've never used MinGW.
 * Are you sure it makes an .exe file? The compiler I use (and many others) make an .out file.  Sorry if that wasn't much help, but java is really my command line domain.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't you need to first convert the source code to object files, and then the object files to an executable? I know at least i had to do that with C programs (never tried c++, though). Then again, that was eons ago, so maybe gcc changed the compilers inbetween.--Fighterdoken 03:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * IDEs like VS do that for you, but to get a program running, you really only need the object and out files, but like I said, I've only used VS and hardly any command line c compilation, so my knowledge on that is minimal. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * and how can I convert notepad files to object files? Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 04:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Use an IDE? I don't know which compilers do that, I know VS does, ubt if you don't like VS, you'll have to look for an IDE that will do that.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:30, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If i remember right (which frankly, i don't), in gcc you had to do:
 * ...wich would give you as result " ". I would think the same parameter work with g++, but never tried really.--Fighterdoken 04:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My problem with visual studio was that I couldn't work with classes. It generated errors even when nothing was wrong:
 * I just made a getdim function for my vector class that has two variables: first is dim, and then koord[]. getdim had no parameters and all it had to do is to return the value of dim. and after doing two lines of code in the main, I had this error: Error: Initializing. cannot convert vector to *vector (or *vector to vector). the only code I wrote down was:
 * int main
 * vector alpha = new vector;
 * alpha.getdim;
 * return 0;
 * }
 * umm what does -Wall do? Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 04:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When you use the "new" keyword, you're returning a pointer, not an actual object. I try to stay away from using "new" in C++ because C++ memory management is terrible. Try either
 * vector* alpha=new vector;
 * to keep the pointer, or just
 * vector alpha;
 * (assuming you have a constructor). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * to keep the pointer, or just
 * vector alpha;
 * (assuming you have a constructor). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Tried both ideas but got another problem: keeping the pointer:
 * vectmain.cpp:19: error: request for member `get_dim' in `alpha', which is of non-class type `vector*
 * using the second one (vector alpha;):

vectmain.cpp:19: error: request for member `get_dim' in `alpha', which is of non-class type `vector ' I have met the second problem before the first, and it is why I tried the new keyword which led me to another problems... sigh. this never ends. --Boro 14:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Tried to find the mistake I made all of the evening but I still don't have a clue why did these things happen.

PS: I'm so tired that I can't even type properly so it's sleeping time (another sleepless night because of failure)Boro 19:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

PPS: My current IDE is eclipse. I'm still using the  code. Boro 19:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you learned about pointers yet? When you use methods or variables of a pointer, you use a "->" instead of a "."  All the pointer is is a hex address in your computer's memory.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're not used to pointers, the only easy way to avoid them is to avoid using C. The only attraction of C versus other languages is pointers (and speed, unless you know how to avoid other languages' limitations).  I use java for everything that isn't heavy on calculations.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Pr0tip-Pointers are awesome and are an essential part of programming. If you can't figure out pointers, you are a technician, not a software engineer. Oh, and Eclipse is an awesome IDE.
 * You're using .cpp files, so I assume you're using C++, not C. Try using "g++ -o programName -ansi -Wall sourceFile.cpp."72.71.231.149 00:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Problem solved! Thank you guys --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 13:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

one day i'll be cool enough
to be with yasmin raine and linsey on the top bar. -- adrin  22:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If the world doesn't end in december 2012, I'll put you up there. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * more days. and yes, i am noob with the coding /cares -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 22:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * where did ur skills of the day go???? so sad. Also, are you still banned? --76.252.230.34 00:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: im not rly an ip just my comp is slow heres mai page OGREMAD
 * You're cute; I lold.
 * @OP. You're cute; I lold. ♥  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  00:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Skill of the day is commented out, and I will not be adding to it until my ban is negated. The archive will remain here.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty. Hope your ban gets lifted. --76.252.230.34 23:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Holding My Breath
I heard that tomorrow's update should be "interesting". Not sure what that means, but apparantly Izzy has something "interesting" in store for us. Actually I'm almost scared lol. <font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB 19:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You should be scared, the last few times they've used the word Interesting with Updates they buffed Weapon of Warding, buffed Wastrel's Worry, made Reaper's Sweep stupid, and made Dwarven Battle Stance scale based on height. Who knows what they'll do next! Incoming +50 Health Regeneration Mending buff. Yes I'm being sarcastic, in all honesty it might be a good update considering they've had 2 months, but then again, it's ArenaNet...we shall see! DarkNecrid 21:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow,just wow. Reaper's Sweep was that stupidly good?Was better than Wounding Strike. This updates usually come late in the day.--Wealedout 11:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's coming next Thursday. Also it's not going to be any good, I take back what I said in light of new information. It's going to be the most retarded update ever tbh. DarkNecrid 20:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To clarify, and this is the only stuff I know about the update mind you (there's supposedly a lot more), but Wells are going to act like Wards that you sacrifice life for, not corpses, which means with party healing and so on you have targeted AoE everything, Aegis is becoming a targeted Shadow Form that lasts 3 seconds, and they actually made a Life Stealing change that makes sense (the one good thing). LC got slightly nerfed, PS + PnH didn't. DarkNecrid 21:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * glyph of swiftness + blessed aura + 20% enchant aegis chain gogogo.
 * Eww. Wells actually sounds cool as long as they are adjusted properly to 2 second casts and well of blood has at least a 10 second recharge. The Aegis change is retarded imo, we already have SoA and having a make target invincible skill is a dumb change to make to a perfectly balanced skill already.  If they chose another skill to change like supportive spirit or something it would be cool if the recharge is 20 seconds.  Not sure what the life steal change would be besides making it susceptible to prot skills, though that takes away from the spirit of the concept.  Palm Strike not getting touched is kind of annoying.  PnH not getting touched is insane.  I hope Mind Blast, Warrior's Endurance, and Ether Prism at least get nerfs.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 21:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not cool by any means tbh, running Necros who spam wards and Paras with Defensive Anthem are going to rape. Well of the Profane has a 45s recharge but it doesn't matter, you have targeted non-elite AoE Mark of Insecurity but better (hello flag stand/other key areas in GvG/HA). DarkNecrid 21:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * you have any link or anything? --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 21:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, the AA guild took it down and I only got to read what other people did (got on late today...) but it's pretty legit. DarkNecrid 22:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as the cast time is high like it should be wells won't be a problem. You won't see well-dwellers or anything like that.  The strategy won't work.  As for defensive anthem, w/e that skill has been fail with the attack conditional.  No one will run well of the profane the way it is now anyways even if they can cast it anytime.  Blood, Darkness, Power, and maybe suffering are the only wells we will see.  You act like PvPers are scrubs who don't know how to play.  Also according to your logic of party wide 50% block and oh noes wells, current Aegis + Wards is broken. Hardly the case.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 22:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lol. Do you really think they upped the cast time? Wishful thinking there guy. DarkNecrid 22:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also no, I act like these things are going to be very overpowered. Because they are going to be. Trust me. DarkNecrid 22:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * They won't though. Profane is a 3 sec cast already.  What you need to burn the new aegis change in order to get that off.  Even then so what, enchants fail in 1 area, big whoop rits make a return with weapon spells and people work around the 1 well.  Darkness becomes a conditional Ward against Melee, Suffering won't do much, and Blood and Power become the only viable ones.  There's nothing OP that comes out of anything but profane, which costs 25 energy and is 3 seconds to cast and can simply be avoided by casters while melee goes on its merry way.  Besides people will either want to stick with curses SR or they will have to split their points.  This means weaker wells or you run into Darkness and Suffering.  I suggested this on my page like 3 weeks back if you recall, if it were going to be OP with wells the way they are I would have suggested other changes.  Actually I did "Make wells all have a self targetting casting time of 4 seconds with an if condition where they cast in 2 seconds on corpses within spell range, Minimum 10".  I think my original suggestion for a cast time was too harsh, but 2 seconds works well(lawl).  You shouldn't worry, people will be hyped up about it at first but they will find that only 1-2 are useful enough to fit into a team build.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 23:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All I'm going to say is you'll see, but I'm going to be saying "I told you so" next week if I'm right. DarkNecrid 23:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to it my friend :P. How shall we call this? Teams will be experimenting with them for a bit.  If it turns out well-dwell teams start taking over and winning in the daily tournies or the get nerfed majorly beyond a 2 second cast or toning the durations down a few seconds. I'll make a user box that says DarkNecrid PWNED my Logic.  I'll sport it on my user page for a month.  If I'm right you can tell/give me a compliment :P<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 23:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Where are the update notes posted?72.71.232.145 23:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In Imbaland, home of the Imbamancers. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Two things, Sins: 1. Well on flag stand + spike. 2: 11-10-10 spec that has been used since the game began. 69.109.168.106 21:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Big difference between an att 10 skill and att 14 one. Still doesn't change that its basically a ward with lesser immediate effects.  The effects are good the longer you stand in them, but they still only effect an area and if wells were that great they would be used in AB and HA extensively already.  Just wait and see how it goes, there's really nothing to do but wait and see.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 22:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If one could plant a well exactly where they wanted, then yeah, they might get used more. (Why must they be "target nearest corpse? Why? :\) If you get lucky and stick a Well of Silence/Suffering/Profane/Darkness/Power right in the middle of a fight, that's nice. But the unreliability makes wells rather meh even in PvE. :\ Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 22:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like neither of us have to do anything Sins! The Well changes were seemingly held back, which is good. DarkNecrid 23:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fucking fail comparison. 11-10-10 has one spec at 13 and two specs at either 10 or 11 (depending on which profession they're from). 12-12-dump has one spec at 14 and one spec at either 12 or 13 (again, depending on which attribute). Don't try to compare unruned, un-helmed attributes to runed, helmed attributes. 69.109.171.47 05:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see anything "interesting" in this Update except for a cost reduction in Illusionary & that nerf to LingCurse Shard was probably hoping for. -- ilr  23:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The most interesting thing in the update is shadow stepping in a certain direction. Every other change was useless. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So it's a new Physics mechanic? I've no opinion on it being interesting until I actually see it used strategically in-game *shrug* -- ilr  01:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No it's just a skill mechanic. The only physics in GW is cloth effects.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually agree about the shadow stepping thing. I like that they aren't so random anymore, gonna use them on my Mo/A. I disagree about every other change being useless, WE was not useless and is going to let Shock Axe prevail again instead of LOL DO INSANE DAMAGE MINDLESSLY AND CONSTANTLY. DarkNecrid 01:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're rather terrible, did you know? :p 69.109.171.47 05:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * this update has pushed me to quit. they wont fix dervs, as its the main selling point of NF, they nerf the other skills, so dervs are unaffected, all of my friends bought nf, just for dervs, and most of them play dervs 80+% of the time, shadow fang, reduce recharge now that it has aftercast. everysingle comment on the talk page was saying it was fail, anet needs to hit the revert button, and hire more skill balancers, around 5 more people, and an infinite amount of button mashing monkeys would work. Annoying And Deadly
 * Agreed, Searing Flames and scythes are way more problematic than Warrior's Endurance and Melandru's/Hunter's Shot. Guess what gets the nerf bat? Core skills and skills from cheaper chapters.72.71.226.59 00:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheaper? Nightfall's the "cheapest" chapter in the game if you go by actual game value:  Compelling story, quality encounters and content without a bunch of gimmick fights, and the first appearance of "Heroes" which was a MASSIVE advantage over Prophecies at the time when you didn't feel like dealing with bad Pug Morons.(PvE, not PvP)  That Factions chapter is the most expensive chapter by that metric, and I really wish they'd stop power-creepin' all the content in it -- but they know it and everyone else knows it too that they won't even move it out of $19 clearance bins without that powercreep at the expense of balance in general... -- ilr  04:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Took you long enough. 69.109.171.47 05:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WE is going to get replaced with Zealous Vow, because cancel and +dmg spam is too 1337. The cast time and strippability are laughable.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 07:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

What next?
I don't know what graphics library/engine to get. I don't know how to even install one. And the tutorials all start with "start a windows application wit visual c++"! Is there any graphics library that can be used without VS and has a tutorial or detailed description of it's classes&functions? Boro 06:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there any graphics library that can be used without VS
 * All of them, but you'll need some type of IDE.
 * and has a tutorial or detailed description of it's classes&functions?
 * Probably just OGRE. That's the most complete 3d graphics library for C.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 10:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good. My IDE is Eclipse Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 11:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

lol may 14
I'm going back to PvP! beating up everyone with hexway.Boro 04:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * With nothing to stop you as usual, you are sure to win! ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

High Resolution Skill Icons
Hi Shard, I hope I am doing this right.

I really like your High Resolution Skill Icons but I am using clearskills instead of yours. Why? Well yours are certainly better quality but some of them really lack colour (saturation). If you look at all the Mesmer icons for example, they really are unsaturated, and need to be more colourful. It's like this for most skill icons across most of the professions... they similar lack colour. Can something be done about this?

Thanks! --Gohan2091


 * PROTIP: You can use more than one texmod at once. However, I've been working on a mod, here, that has several hi-res icons.  112x112, which is higher than most people keep theirs.  The icons are more colorful.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see what you mean by "unsaturated." If they don't look like the preview, it could be because you still have the glass-overlay on your skill bar (the one clearskills removes).  Run my mod with clearskills and see if it looks better.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but I think what he means is that a lot of the blown-up skills are much less colorful than their in-game versions. I didn't do it to all of them, but I edited the hi-res versions of the skills I thought were especially dull.  [[Image:User Jette GW.EXE 0x870D6913-2.jpg|50px]] is one example.  The left one is the original, the right one is mine.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 02:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it now, especially with cry of frustration. I'm not going to make any promises, but in the future, if I'm bored, I might update those mods.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Conjure Phantasm is a good example but there are much better examples such as Energy Burn, Empathy, Power Spike and Backfire to name only a few. The colour is really drained on a lot of skills (some are ok though), it really looks dull. Detail way, the skill icons are fantasticly detailed. I was unaware you can use clearskills with your mod, so I will do so from now on. Jette I tried your mod and the detail isn't there, your skills are not as detailed as Shards. Shard, if you would be willing to increase the saturation in some of the skills, this would really be appreciated, because at the moment, most of my Mesmer skillbar looks a little dull and lifeless :P. About my commenting, I am not familar with how you respond to messages in this discussion, if I have made an error, feel free to adjust my layout, thanks --Gohan2091
 * You're doing it right (minus the edit conflict I just got).
 * The thing about the hi-res mods is that it's really tedious to make them. Every profession has 150+ skills and it's not fun going through every single one fixing minor aesthetic flaws.  School just ended for me, so like I said, if I'm bored, you may see this happen, and I will tell you about it, but I have other, more important projects that take up a lot of my time.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean Shard but the hard work has been done already. Little aesthetic flaws have already been fixed, everything is sharp and clear, the only thing that needs adjusting is the colour. It's not going to be all the skills for every profession, it's probably a couple of dozen per profession (with some professions not needing any adjustments). If you could write a quick tutorial for me and tell me how I can open this tpf file up, I can do the editing for you. Also, There are 2 professions missing, any date for release? thanks for your effort. --Gohan2091


 * You can't open .tpf files. As for why mine aren't as detailed, the most likely reason is because you've blown up your skill icons larger than 112x112, otherwise they should look the same, except for the ones I've edited personally.  I think that's waaaay too big for a skill icon, personally, but I might make the next few sets larger than usual (release date: when I feel like it).  You could make your own, of course... just download the icons from here and make sure your mod is above his on the list.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 05:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Jette, Some of Shards skills are a little sharper such as the Dervish skill Faithful Intervention. The eyes in the top right are more sharp and apparent. After looking at your skills again Jette, I think I prefer yours over Shards. Why? Well Shards skills are more zoomed in which means the outside of each skill has been cropped. Don't know what I mean? Here is a picture:



See? You can't see the whole image of each icon on Shards. Jette am I right in saying you have only done Dervish, Elementalist, Mesmer and Necromancer so far? When will all professions be released? --Gohan2091


 * I think flame burst is the only alternate art I didn't like. Anyway, the reason mine are more detailed is because mine are 254x254 and jette's are only 112x112 (according to him).  My skills aren't cropped, the skill borders cover the sides of mine up, a downside I also don't particularly like.  I use my own UI mod which has very minimalist skill borders so my icons look normal sized to me.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:53, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yours are cropped because the sides cover your skills up? I am using the same skillbar mod with yours as I am with Jette, meaning the exact same borders are surrounding the icons. If the borders were covering yours up, they would also cover up Jettes too, which they aren't. Am I wrong? --Gohan2091
 * Somewhat. The icons in the game have borders already on them, which doesn't make a difference without texmod because the borders cover the sides of those skills up naturally.  I presume Jette's mod also has a small buffer on the sides of his icons so as to "squeeze" the icons between any borders you have.  I haven't tried his mod and I don't know how he's making it, but that would be my guess.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's correct. The actual images used in the texmod are 128x128, but the skills themselves are only 112x112, since I started this little project before I got a bigger monitor.  And I see what you mean by his are more detailed -- I can't notice it in my interface because the icons are probably closer to 100x100 than the native resolution.  His are 254x254, so they'll be more detailed naturally, but 112 isn't a multiple of 254 so there's more detail loss than strictly necessary when you shrink them... I have no idea why I did it that way, really.  I should probably start doing them at 128x128 and just include the buffer to make them even bigger.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Jette, you never answered my questions about your skill icons. Jette am I right in saying you have only done Dervish, Elementalist, Mesmer and Necromancer so far? When will all professions be released? It seems both of you have flaws in your design. With Shard, I don't like the icons being cut off and also some icons lack saturation (colour), and with Jette, some detail has been lost (only minor but still...) and I think only 4 professions have been done so far. How do you turn those skill icons from the Guild Wars website into a tpf file? Perhaps if I knew, I would do all these icons myself, to ensure they are perfect... --Gohan2091
 * Yes, that's why his file is called DEMN :P. You're using Graphite, do you not like the built in clear skills in it? The elite borders aren't annoying, the Mesmer skills aren't saturated, and all the skills look great. DarkNecrid 00:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I could make a photoshop batch to add a 4px buffer on my icons and upload new versions. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Darknecrid, I wasn't aware Graphite had a built in clear skills, are you sure? I asked the creator of clear skills to create me a modified file called notsoclear skills which gave me the hex, enchantment etc symbols back. You said the Mesmer skills aren't saturated, all looks great, don't you mean unsaturated? Shard, if you could do that, then I would really appreciate it. It shouldn't take long. --Gohan2091
 * Yes, I'm sure. Just run the game with Graphite. And yeah, I just meant they look more colorful. DarkNecrid 07:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * FFFFFf- THREE EDIT CONFLICTS Half-right. Due to a severe screw-up on my part, I got infected with ~9000 trojans and had to restore my computer.  At the time I was more concerned about preserving more important files than the skill icon sets, and so I lost the original edited files, though I managed to keep the .tpfs by pure coincidence.  I've done the ranger sets, most of the monk sets, and all but one ritualist skill.  I can upload those three files if you like, but it gets irritating having to load 8-9 texmods every time you start GW.  Eventually (which is my way of saying "if I'm very bored with absolutely nothing productive to do"), I might finish all the professions and put it in one really big mod, but that's a very big maybe.  That's also my release date: "whenever I get around to it."  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 00:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard ur gunna get banned for texmodding skills. I know they say it's ok, but they'll ban u anyway. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 00:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Joke's on them - I'm already banned. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Call me ignorant, but are you perma-banned?  S entry007  [[Image:User Sentry007 sig.png|19px]] 16:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd rather call you Sentry, and yes I am. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Jette, if you can get those other professions done, or the ones you said are almost done, that would be great! Shard, if you can fix that cropping problem, then great also! Can either of you spend 2 minutes explaining how I turn those deck card things from the GW website into a texmod file, I would really appreciate it. I have the time to do all professions myself, probably in 1 night if I put my mind to it. I have good Photoshop skills. --Gohan2091
 * Have you read the texmod guide on "how to make a mod?" If you still have questions, come back and I'll help you. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes Shard, I read the guide, but does this mean I have to manually capture every single file by going into logging mode, selecting a icon (so it turns green) then export? That means I have to have all the skills purchased in order to see them all.. right? If so, I can't do it, I don't have all the skills purchased/available. --Gohan2091
 * Yes, you have to extract every single skill by using logging mode (that's how texmod knows which texture checksum to replace). There are ways to capture skills your account doesn't have access to.  Ask a friend for skill templates.  If you have all the expansions and just don't have them unlocked, extract the icons from a priest of balthazar.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Shard, do you know a way I can get the checksums without manually exporting each icon? --Gohan2091
 * Yes, but using texmod is the much faster way. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you can set your skills icons (using "K" key) and have it arranged by Icon. That way, you don't have to drag out 8 icons you want to use every time. --[[Image:User PoA Sig.png|Talk]] Antioch 22:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This wall of text should tell you all you need to know about making the icons. All you need is GIMP, the cards I linked to previously, and some free time.  Be warned, some skill icons are more difficult to find than others -- for example, I'm convinced no one can find a good copy of Blood is Power.  But you're welcome to come up with others on your own.  I have a mod that replaces Wail of Doom with this, for example.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks people and thanks Jette... good link. I tried to create my own and succeeded. I tried improving 2 Paragon skills and compiled it as a Texmod file and it looks great in game!. I didn't save as DDS file though, I saved under JPEG (quality 11). My Photoshop is 64bit and doesn't support the NVIDIA DDS plugin. Thanks all. --Gohan2091

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RD -- adrin  20:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for wasting space on the wiki. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

i has
a proph-only and a fac-only acc, which do you want? both have been activated so they can't be merged, but it should save you some money if you ever wanted to start playing :p - Auron 20:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I has an all-campaign UAX account and a Proph+Fac+Nightfall account left. Thanks for the offer but I can still do everything I could before. The only thing I really lost is r11.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Way to waste money on a failed game, Shard. Seriously, you had all 4 chapters on your banned account and you STILL have an all-campaign account and a Proph+Fac+NF account left? Seriously, wow. I wouldn't waste any more money on Build Wars and I only have the first 2 chapters. After getting nerfed to make way for Nightfall I figured Build Wars was only going downhill and stopped buying chapters or additional content. Turns out, I was right.72.64.8.217 21:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. It wasn't at all possible for me to get those for free.  I do fail. (I paid less for the game than you did)  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Most PvP players worth their salt have multiple accounts and a staggering number of those creatively acquired secondary accounts. <font color="#DD0000">Misery  21:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard has 2 other accounts that were given to him years ago...long before his ban. But why he and Adrin bother to play still is a mystery to me.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't bother to play. The last time I played, I got adrin a second set of travelers gifts.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)