Talk:Main Page/editcopy/Archive 5

Recent change
[ diff]; Don't like the choice of colors, links look very bad and the overall design doesn't fit the rest of the wiki. The campaign images look too sharp (they are squares) and don't fit there either. The profession icons are badly choosen and I don't get the idea of the choice either (how are the icons related to the content?), and I don't like the fact that it's leaving 4 professions out. poke | talk 23:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Painful to look at, kind of cheesy, bad choice of images, background/link contrast or lack thereof decreases usability. Lord Belar 23:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:User_Ezekial_Riddle_Sucks.jpg|150px]] &larr; That is bad. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 23:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the new campaign buttons. But the icons still confuse me ~ Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 23:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks horrible, IMO. The old page was far better. Erasculio 23:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also not thrilled with the use of the profession icons (the tango icons work fine for general wiki purposes but not this), I prefer icons that actually come from within the game and that in some way relate to the content. The logo graphics are difficult to determine what they are referring to without enlarging them which rather spoils the intent. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the blue background that Kurd added tbh. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the new boxes - but images are just out of place with the rest of the wiki. -- [[Image:User indochine dsk tree.png|15px]] Indochine  talk 00:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess we could discuss here if people want to change some elements, and then make a change, given how the (now old) layout wasn't eactly popular. IMO, the formatting of the main page deserves more discussion than the usual. Erasculio 00:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Decoration
Are we having any main page/logo decoration for the Canthan New Year? -- Brains12 \ talk 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary for every 3 day weekend festival, Halloween and Wintersday each last more than a week. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's just three days? Never mind then. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 19:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Help namespace, ask a question links
I reordered this section a bit, to try to encourage users to read some instructions before they click on the "Ask a question" links, and also to increase the chance people post on the correct question page (rather than wiki question all the time). Biscuits 13:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Guildwars2?
is there a reason why guildwars2 is under the "Upcoming changes and features"? its neather of thouse things and no new information has been released i think the link should be removed.75.165.119.187 08:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Like you said, no new information has been released, so it's certainly not news. It is kind of an upcoming "feature" though, even if the coming up is in infinite time. :D I think it was better how it was. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 10:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's not "upcoming", then it's not news either. I also think it made more sense before, it needs to be included on the main page since it's a topic people are (most probably) often looking for. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 12:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it was added before we had a separate wiki for Guild Wars 2. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It was added in July when Gaile asked whether it would be a good idea to link GW2W on the Main Page; the discussion ended up with going for a link to Guild Wars 2 instead. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 23:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of the upcoming changes and features page. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * how about adding the [[Image:Gw2logo.png|175px]] next to the other logos that would make a lot more sence then putting it else were...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 01:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's more something for gw2:Main Page. This is, after all, the Guild Wars Wiki, there is a separate Guild Wars 2 Wiki. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 19:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * yea i was trying to help solve the problem of the guild wars 2 link in the upcoming changes and features.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 20:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

titles
what about adding a few links to the most used title pages under the title heading?75.165.119.187 18:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't list most used golds, greens, skills... besides "most used" is subject to interpretation. if anything I'd just throw "Titles" under "Characters". &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 19:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Those titles are two clicks away, I don't really see the point. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 19:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Latest in-game activities box
I think the general idea behind this is nice but there would need to be a way to edit that spot by non-admins for maintenance (via templates or whatever) and that opens up a potential vandalism door (but maybe I'm just paranoid), or an Admin will have to take care to update the box regularly. IDK, I just don't see it working out in the long run. Oh, and it currently looks quite bad, but that's purely aesthetic... &mdash; Poki#3 23:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh i think I mentioned in my edit comment that it needs prettying up and probably some DPL or something. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless we can find a pattern, that would still require daily editing, so possible vandalism unless done by sysops. Perhaps you can give users who have not been associated with vandalism the privilege of editing it somewhere, but I don't have a clue about how that would work wikiwise. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 15:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think -this- particular thing is unnecessary. The "What's going on today" should be left on their respective pages.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  15:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a nice idea imo, but I don't have a clue how it would work out on the long run. If it could all be automated it'd be fine, but if it is to be edited daily.. I foresee a day this wiki is not as active as it is today. And then again there is the point of possible vandalism on the front page. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 15:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure we can use it as a publicly editable. To go against vandalism you might want to protect the template and limit it's variable length to 50 or so. That way ANY quest title would fit but vandalism wouldn't break the page. About not being active enough, that's not a thing that we should worry about. Right now enough users would be very happy with an instant quest-of-the-day and item-of-the-week box. Otherwise we should ask ANet to let us get the info from their servers daily? With an automatic link to the wikilinks? It's their wiki anyway, and such a small script would be easy to implement. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu  (talk) 17:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There would be no problem to make that list automatically up to date, as long as we provide a working background for it.. poke | talk 18:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As I already stated in the other talk page, names in the lines of "Today in GW" or "What is up today" are fine with me. Currently I have under watch the pages about the daily features, so I would find pretty useful for all users to have links in the Home page to them instead. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 19:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i like this idea but i think it needs to be thiner or something... 76.121.95.90 19:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to edit the graphic representation, I only did a rough draft to start the discussion on it, I also have the relevant pages on my watch list, but would find it far easier to have all the info in one handy place like this. I think it is also great for new users as I imagine it is something that creates traffic here as people want to find out how and what to do these new daily/weekly things. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to do it, but I was thinking like a very soft red/maroon hue for a background, this would be in honor of the Zaishens's color. Or maybe the background hue coincides with the flag in the Great Temple that gives us each kind of quest? Maybe that's too complicated... (Satanael 20:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC))
 * So, I started playing with it and found that all the reds I tried looked terrible, so I settled on a light blue. Does that look better? (Satanael 20:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC))
 * Hmmm, should it have a more prominent position? Since my guess is the majority of visitors to GWW are existing players, it might better serve people if it were above the other boxes, or at least more immediately visible. (Satanael 20:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC))

IMO putting the current stuff on the main page isn't that big a deal, but can we at least have a link to the Zaishen Challenge Quest page and suchlike, since right now if you come on this just to check what the quest is today you have to type it all in the search bar (all 23 chars) and I'm much too lazy to be doing that every day. 81.105.58.105 10:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wholeheartedly agree. --RoyHarmon 12:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I see this has happenned ( i hope im right). It makes the page look more related to the actual wiki, and makes it look a bit professional. Good work guys. --Burning Freebies 19:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Latest in-game activities box with Featured article
Okay, supposing we can get the Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Suggested Featured Pages off the ground, we might want to go for something like this: User:Why Are We Fighting/Sandbox/Main page. What do you guys think? &mdash; Why 23:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks great! The daily's/weekly's are a bit plain, but it's very efficient. Especially if we could drop the "Welcome to the official wiki.." part somehow (maybe just like the (dismiss) button for the elections?). --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 23:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that about my proposal or the one here? :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 23:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was talking about yours. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 23:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I should've put it under a new header to avoid confusion. Done now. :D &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say that graphic-wise you nailed it. Now it just needs a good backend. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 00:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, everyone please feel free to edit that page in my sandbox. It probably needs some minor style tweaks anyway, like capitalization and punctuation and such. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 00:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i think this is a great idea. whats the chance it will really happen?
 * i think maybe instead of putting it on the bottom put it on the of the page other wise it looks 90000 times better then what we have right now.76.121.95.90 01:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I really like why are we fightings proposal, it is very neat and in keeping with the rest of the main page. The only alternative I might suggest is to move the new pane to be above the 6 panes we currently have. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 02:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This direction looks rad guys! I like! :) --[[Image:UserEmilyDiehlStar.gif]] Emily Diehl (talk) 02:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome Why. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 05:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just modded your page a little to how i would prefer reading it. Kei Miyaichi  07:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks great Why! I'll think about a good backend today so we can get this done. Keirou, your rearrangement looks interesting, too. poke | talk 07:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm yea good job Keirou, looks better! Glad you guys like it! Now to reinvigorate the Featured Pages project... &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 09:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The new stuff on top looks OK too. Bear in mind though that a definitive form of the featured article thing hasn't been decided on. I'm planning to write some proposals for that project this evening. &mdash; Why 12:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it would be possible to peg the daily Zuests and Collector items down with a variable that we can change instead of having to manually do so, in both the articles and this new page thingie.  Drago  12:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye that is the plan, Poke is working on the DPL I think. There is DPL for one of them already but I couldn't make it work here. I am a DPL nub. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 12:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, and hello Lemi. :D  Drago  12:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * poke, I suppose you'll be doing the "latest in-game events" with a DPL, but how are you planning on doing the featured article thingy? Transclude a semi-protected /Featured page or something? Also, would it be possible to create a new usergroup with the right to edit such a page? I mean, we could easily put normal users with a clean vandalism record in there, but it would prevent vandalism by vandal-accounts. Would be a bit too elaborate for just one page I suppose :/ &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 13:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome Why, I am all for this, really, I was wondering about having the new Zuests and Nicholas on the page too, and design-wise, it looks great!~Sower~ 15:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That looks great Why! I would love to see this implemented.  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 15:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Now the featured and daily quest boxes are up the top, I like this version better, and I would like to see this implemented. Anon-e-mouse 16:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i like it on top and i would suggest switching the "Updates, news and events" and the "Latest in-game activities" and maybe changing the icon for them to a 76.121.95.90 20:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I like it the way it is now actually. The zcoin might be a good idea but I think there already are enough goldlike colours on the front page.. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 20:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the zcoin is a minor change and i dont care if you do or dont. as for the swap of boxes it would be nice to have that up higher becasue that has the links to update notes.76.121.95.90 21:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's true, but the same can be said for the dailies. I don't know! :/ Anyone? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 21:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I copied "my" version to Main Page/editcopy because consensus seems to be in favor of it. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 22:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Small beef: when i have the window at a smaller resolution, the right columns get a bit squished. Like, they don't scale as well as the left columns do. --JonTheMon 22:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's true, and I can't really find a fix for it.. It does look okay in 1024x768 though, which is (I believe) the criterion we generally use, but yea I would like to see it all scale the way it is supposed to. poke? Help? :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wasn't able to work on this today, but I make sure to take a deep look at it tomorrow. Will fix everything possible then too ^^ poke | talk 22:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I sort of overhauled the Featured Pages project, so odds are we might be changing the featured page no more than once per week. I'd say that doesn't require a separate non-protected page transclusion, a sysop could easily make the required edits to the main page directly each week. :) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 22:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I feel there is too much emphasis on the new stuff. Sure, it's what's hot now, but eventually, it will just be another part of the game. And that's how it should be treated. Backsword 04:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * While I kinda agree with Backsword, I still like the look of it and those links definitely should have a place on the main page...nice work Why.  Nate [[Image:User Nate Alluran MyTalkPage.png|20px|User talk:Nate Alluran]] 08:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i dont think it will be a "fad" and i also think its necessary to have that information some place were its one look if we were adding a pet section all about the new zoo then yes i would agree but this is something that changes every day and there isnt a lot of that in guild wars.76.121.95.90 09:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm yeah, but we can always move it down again once it isn't so hot anymore, can't we? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 09:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whilst I appreciate what Backsword is saying, this is a completely new feature in Guild Wars in that there is nothing else like it, it pre-requisites frequent new pages and editing and will surely be a feature that people come to the wiki looking for answers about. "What is Nicholas collecting this week and where can I find him?" This will be a great benefit to the casual guild wars players who just want their freebies. So I don't think it will be a fad, I think it will be a main game feature for a long time. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the Nicholas page for example is 6 days old and has had over 80000 page views already, to put that in some context that is more than the pages on Varesh or Urgoz who have been around for years. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * When this stuff becomes old news, maybe there will be something new to add, if not, we can always just stretch the featured article across the top. I like it the way it is now. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 08:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say I love the design proposed by Why. Very helpful for me who wants the most transitory information right at my finger tips. Also wanted to commend those involved in keeping the information up to date. Excellent work! Really appreciate it. :) Sardaukar 12:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What's hot right now is exactly what we need to emphasize on. Make it easy for newcomers to locate the newer stuff. If it's not on the main page, I'm certainly supportive of having making that information linked-to from the side menus. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still waiting for this to be implemented on the first page.. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 23:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Waiting for some hawt DPL action so it doesn't need to be manually updated on the main page each day -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Poke poke | talk 08:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i like it i hope this goes live soon i spent a few mins trying to find the information about Nicolas it would have been very helpful if it would have been on the main page.[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 20:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the late input, but I'm not sure whether I like the fact that this 'featured article' effectively bumps all of the standard content boxes "below the fold" on even a 1280x1024 browser window. It makes it so that the majority of users will have to scroll to get to the front-page content they use often, whereas the featured article is probably not going to be something people are clicking on multiple times a day. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved it to the bottom, and swapped the 'Community' bit with the 'latest' bit. Seems a bit cleaner, but feel free to revert. Also not sure how much maintenance a 'featured' article might need - but it's nice to see some change to the main page after all this time at least. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 22:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We did originally have it at the bottom, but we thought that most people who use the wiki would know what they click on, on the main page by now, where as the new stuff would be nice to have at the top to draw attention to it. I prefer it at the top personally but either is fine by me. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes apologies, I hadn't read the discussion fully. It looks like I just duplicated Keirou's original edit. However I do prefer it at the bottom, since it leaves the quick links more immediately accessible. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 22:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * could we some how merge the "Welcome to the Official Guild Wars wiki,

the comprehensive Guild Wars reference written and maintained by the players." with the game titles icons?? and do the game titles even need to be on the main page? Zesbeer 08:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really care where the featured article section goes, but could we get the zquest box in a more prominent position? I am much too lazy to scroll down. Maybe switch the zquest box with the updates and such box? Or if not that one then maybe the PVE box? (Satanael 18:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Hmm, I liked the featured article on top, but that's probably just because I'm quite involved in that project. This is fine too, and indeed Aiiane, I don't like the way it does weird things in lower resolutions either, but poke said he'd take a look at it. We need him to sort out the DPL anyway. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 19:19, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I liked the featured article on the top as well... the way it is now just looks strange......... -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 11:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ok so here is my thought about makeing the page a little smaller... here like i said before i dont see why it needs to be up above the icons or why it has to take up so much room.[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 18:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the point of having a featured article at the bottom of the page? I much prefer it at the top, since I really don't want to have to scroll through stuff I've seen many times. I really prefer the first version. As to the "Quick links" those are for the most part accessible using the "Quick links" link in the navigation box. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * for the first time ever i think i have to agree with wyn. --[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 01:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I love the way WHY has the page at the mo, with the featured article box at the top. Personally I find it being at the bottom looks odd and clunky. I would like the featured article box however to maintain that formatting week to week, so that we have uniformity across time. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I too like the way it currntly appears on Whys version. One thing that could be changed is raising the Star of Transference and Gift of the Traveler images; particularly the star; altough part of that comes from the extra whitespace that surrounds the image. -- Kakarot [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The images where fine... Not the star looks like it was ashamed if itselt. And it doesn't change any text locations. &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (talk ) 15:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Poki can we try that in English now? -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I raised the star a bit as Kakarot suggested (I suppose it could be coded in a way more elegant fashion, but my code gets it done too), and yea, once we have this up and running we should decide over some format for the featured pages. I like the way it currently is (except the messing-up-lower-resolutions part, for which I can't seem to find a fix) so it should probably look something like what we have now for any featured page.. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 18:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Tonic Pics
I added it. I tried it before, so please respond!--D AV  A   07:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the page looks a bit boring with just tonics, why do you want just them? - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 07:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It has different Colors, so yeah, kinda fitted.--D AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 09:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The current icons usually have something in common with the box they are on, featured articles has a star of transference for example as it is like on wikipedia where they have a gold star for the articles in question. etc etc -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

+. &mdash; Why  22:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i know right... i dont really know why that hadnt made it to the main page before... also is there a reason why tresure has its own bold instead of being under something?76.121.95.90 23:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the alterations you made, they seem more logical than what we had. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 14:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

COOL
This Is a Super-Cool-High-Powered-Excelent-Great-Special-Neat-Page, so how long is it gonna tkae to be official?74.173.107.209 11:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that poke needs to take a look at it and stream line it, at least that's what i got from the discussion above. --[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 01:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh we are waiting for some back end DPL stuff for the daily updates, and also we need people to get involved with the featured article project to get that to be a proper go. Hopefully if it appears on the main page though it will generate a lot of extra interest. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 02:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell You What...how about this, why dont I make a seperate page on my The Savior account on the wiki...74.173.107.209 10:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...and make a sperate part of the main page and call it prefrences. Every day I will have three selectable ideas for you to choose from for featured article. You would then preceade to take it to our artist. He would then turn it into a page. If I am not on that day take 1 of the other suggestions from the day before. I would help with the main edit but im not good with that. So do we have a deal?The Savior 10:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Was watching you peeps designing this, very neat. -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 11:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Its a funny idea to feature users, but I think, if we do it, it should belong in the wiki community box. Also, who would decide to feature who? Sounds quite impossible to me... &mdash; Why 19:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The box needs fixing, Mabey a link in the box for a voting scheme? something like that --  Yo Jm   19:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

lol wyn just removed --  Yo Jm   19:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Some wikis have done it with success, Why. However, I don't think it would work out very well here.  Also, Wyn, why did you remove it before a proper discussion took place to rule it out?  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 20:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Featured Article project has been discussed and approved and the page is nearing implementation. If you guys wish to add a Featured user article, put it on the Community Portal for discussion. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 20:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Zeesbeer/Sandbox
is there any way of making this work? i know Lemming says the text messes up but i think that it reduces the length of the page by a lot, also i don't know how to make the images fit closer together.-- Zesbeer 23:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't like the small notice bar I think it's fine the way it is currently. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * why dose it need to be huge and take up so much space?--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 23:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a different idea. Do we really need 4 game logos? Can't 1 be enough? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 02:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * well im up for getting rid of them all together but i thought it was so we could have direct links to those pages.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 03:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The logos add graphic appeal, and getting rid of them imo is wrong. Each of them represent a specific part of the game this wiki is documenting. The welcome notice box is not that large. Squishing it between the logos is just ugly, and not very welcoming for new users. Why is it such a problem to have to scroll down to see links to stuff you've seen and seen and seen? As a long time user, you should consider changing your .js file and to add your most used links to your navigation portal on the left so they are easily accessible no matter which page you are on. The focus of the main page should be towards new users, not people who are familiar with the contents of the wiki. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i dont know how to change my .js...[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 05:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Wyn, smushing the welcome notice box is uuuugly, and it doesn't take up that much room. Compared to how much scrolling you have to do on the English Wikipedia's main page, our's is actually pretty concise. Besides, it's important to show the whole family of GW games right away. (Satanael 19:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC))
 * my reasoning form trying to make it smaller is this "Sorry for the late input, but I'm not sure whether I like the fact that this 'featured article' effectively bumps all of the standard content boxes "below the fold" on even a 1280x1024 browser window. It makes it so that the majority of users will have to scroll to get to the front-page content they use often, whereas the featured article is probably not going to be something people are clicking on multiple times a day. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)" that was one thing that i saw that was takeing up a lot of space and thought this would be one way to make it smaller.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 07:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aiiane was talking about the "featured article" box, not the "welcome" box, I think. Besides, when he is back, poke will find a fix for it. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 12:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i interpreted it as the entire main page.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 20:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Tanetris's welcome bar

 * i for one like it and it looks like what i was trying to do before.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

SO
So do we have a deal? I can supply ideas for the featured article as I saidThe Savior 23:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your ideas should go on the project page. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also in response to your question above about the "deal", i think the answer is respectfully no. As already said by wyn, the page we are discussing the featured articles upon is where to submit your suggestions for the pages you want and it also where we will be discussing which of these pages shall be put forward and when. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 01:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Xunlai Tournament House
i think there should be a link to this but yet i dont know where to put it....-- Zesbeer 02:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's covered in the Automated Tournaments link. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 02:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Main Page Archives
Mabey we could have an archive box for the Main Page to see how its improved? --  Yo Jm   07:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See here -> &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 08:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

That's a history page, I mean like having an archive box on the main page to see how it's improved from 2007 ect and put the months aswell.--  Yo Jm   19:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * click "prev" beside each revison and you will see what it once looked like, no need for an archive imo. -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 19:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

New dynamic content
Based on the discussions above (that got a bit full, which is the reason why I am starting a new topic now), I (finally) created the new dynamic contents for the Main Page. I had to make quite a lot changes to the existing mechanisms we had for listing those things but now it should work fine for everything.

I've splitted the featured pages to a subpage; I think that is a bit easier to maintain and doesn't get confused with other editcopy changes (and it does sync automatically on the Main Page and on /editcopy). Maybe we have to protect that page though, as it should only get changed when we really have a new featured article (decisions should come from the project) and might get a vandalism target (due to its sync-status), but we'll see.

I also most probably have to tweak the timing of the activities box later, as I'm not that completely sure if I got it right so it actually changes when the changes are in-game.

Any comments? poke | talk 23:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, everything looks fine. Dominator Matrix  23:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not gonna pretend I understand how it works, but it looks great :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 00:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * the tactics article is a little lacking dose it really need to be a bold just yet? also maybe it should just be removed.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * While that really has nothing to do with this topic, it's the perfect opportunity to get it fleshed out don't you think? I think the dynamic content is fabulous poke, good job! --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * * rolls eyes* wyn he changed it to be bold that's why i brought it up.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 04:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My bad, that is what you have from saving the changes locally and copying them back later when everything works ^^ poke | talk 11:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * looks good poke i say we push it live.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 22:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would agree to going live. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh I am good with that. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't break anything ;), push it live. Dominator Matrix  09:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * iawtc. -- Kakarot [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:13, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

done, lets see if it breaks anything! -- Lemming 15:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's sexy, btw. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 16:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Omg I <3! Very well done all round! xD -- Alex [[Image:User_AlexEternal_Mr_Bear.jpg|19px]]Eternal 18:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wowz, thanks poke! It's great to see this live. :D &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 22:02, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unbelievable, huh? :P poke | talk 22:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, we've been patient. ;) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 22:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

My version
Anyone like? I put the wiki stuff on the bottom and everything else game like on the top. And the in gave events on the top since it's really important. -- Halogod35   23:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, we've had something like that before, and as Wyn said, there's no point in having the featured page at the bottom. I like it the way it currently is on Main Page. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 23:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No point of have featured at all. I don't think people that come here really care. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 00:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why's point is that we have had the discussion on the placement already, the idea is to try and reinvigorate some interest into old articles with this new feature. I quite like what you have done to the header and game logos, but I worry about it's effect on people who run lower resolutions. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 00:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * that was Tanetris edit learn to history --[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I hate it anyway, now I have to go down to select skills. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 00:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Having it at all is a matter for a different discussion. But as long as it is there, isn't it a waste to stick it on the bottom, as if an afterthought? I like where I had it in the middle; I think it's a good compromise between having the information that people are looking for most (Game Basics for the newbies, News and Updates for those that check in occasionally to see what's been happening, and the zquests/Nick for those who just want to check in for today's activities) right at the top, without pushing the featured article down into obscurity where you won't even notice it unless you scroll down.
 * That was me with the headers, Lemming. I don't disagree about the concern for people at lower resolutions, and ideally I'd like it if the images switch from side-by-side to stacking and the text area take up the free space if the text wraps to enough lines to make the box that tall, but I'm not that skilled with wikicode. I'm hoping Poke can tweak it a bit to be more all-resolutions-friendly, but he went to bed by the time I started poking at it. - Tanetris 00:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Put it on the bottom, people come here for help and skill updates not "awesome" articles. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 00:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (constant edit conflict)Just because you hate it, Hod, doesn't mean it should be moved to the bottom. And if you go to a link very often, you eventually learn the article's title. Just type it in the search if you hate scrolling a little bit that much. I, for one, personally like the feature article at the top. And I do think that there is a point, like what Lemming said, it brings interest in old and well written/formatted articles, and could point people to articles that would help many people (such as event articles during the events and just before). So it does have it's uses. Though the amount of scrolling is annoying, I deal with it, so can you and anyone else. Personally, I'd have to agree with Tanetris' layout with the feature in the middle. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 00:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, think about it first O.o it's not how it looks, it's actually how useful it is. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 00:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, it makes no sense to have a featured article at the bottom. Middle row at the lowest. So, I have thought about it, and your version makes no sense to me. Besides, the three that I find the least useful are already at the bottom. (PvP, PvE, Wiki Community) I could see the argument for the featured article to be in the middle, but not at the bottom. Like I said already. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 00:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's game related but, what ever xD I'm not an admin. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 00:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just re-arranged it to be a little better in terms of usefulness and looks, in my opinion at least. Does this work as a mediation between the two arguments of top and bottom? -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 00:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll refrain from brute-editting my way, but I feel pretty strongly that News and Updates should go top-row with Game Basics and In-game Activities. If you like Gear and Equipment on the middle row instead of bottom makes no particular difference to me, but News and Updates is where people can find current happenings, like holiday events and new features and suchlike. - Tanetris 01:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * -explodes- -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 01:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, no. Feat article should be very top or very bottom. I'm afraid I have to say no shades of gray in this case. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 01:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't blame me for trying. -shrugs- -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 01:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i do agree that the Updates, news and events should be on top with the featured article also halogod its called BOOKMARKS learn to use them they are there for a reason. tanetris i like the welcome thing you did but i think it will get shot down scroll up for more info about what i tried to do.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 01:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to bother anymore lol. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 01:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I honestly can't believe that someone as familiar with the wiki as yourself Halogod35 even bothers with the main page for anything at all. Skills are much more easily accessed from the Quick access links page, you can get to them by profession or by campaign from there. It's also relatively easy to add your helpful links there if there is something missing that you would like, just put it on the talk page. The featured article is going to be synced up with a featured section on GuildWars.com eventually, which is yet another reason for having it at the top. While you might find the article "awesome" (hearing your sarcastic sneer), new players might find them useful and informative. There is a lot more to this wiki than just lists of skills, oh, but I forget you don't read anything else... Oh and I really dislike having the logos and the welcome text all squished into the box, it makes it look ridiculous. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 02:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Random indent Personally I prefer what we currently have on the mainpage over the edit copy. Also while Tanetris' idea for the welcome message/logos does reduce the amount of space taken by these items I don't really like how it is squished into the box, that and the fact that I also don't really like reducing the size of the logos size even more (this doesn't really affect the normal logos just the holiday versions), specifically the small details. -- Kakarot [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For clarity's sake, the current version at the time of this post is I'm not entirely sure what I think about having the Featured Article thing in the middle. I suppose, as Tanetris said, the Game Basics, Current Events and News&Updates are the things people will be using most, but then again, I like what we currently have  more, from a personal and design point of view. By the way, Emily said that she was not planning to actually sync the Featured Article to the Guild Wars website, she would rather just pick articles from the category. Also, about the Welcome thing, I had two pretty random ideas. One is, would it be possible to make the Guild Wars logo's transparent? That way we could put the text on top of it, somehow. Might actually look pretty. The other one, is it really necessary to have all four logos up there? I mean, even in-game, only the first Guild Wars logo is used. We could still use all four logos for holidays, I suppose. Anyway, those were my random ideas.  &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 10:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally like the way the main page is at the mo. The featured article box cannot go in the middle, it looks weird their to be honest. Something about it being double the width of the other boxes just makes it look odd when its in the middle. As for moving it to the bottom, I dont see why its needed. Everyone who comes onto this site knows how to basically navigate a web page and I'm pretty sure everyone knows how to use a scroll button. I understand that the "Updates, news and events" is an important box but honestly the bulk of the box contains the same information one finds on the front page links of the official webpage. Also by far the most frequented link from that box is the skill updates (which has about 1/2 of all the traffic from that box) which due to it being at the top of that box is still initially viewable by most browser resolutions and screen sizes without the need to scrool. Honestly I feel for an article to be featured it deserves the top left box marking it as something unique and interesting for people to see. What i don't understand is why we even have the welcome message. For a main page link it sees very little traffic, for example Nicholas the traveler in his month of being in the game has seen 5 times the amount of traffic than the welcome page which has seen in its over 2 years existence. Thus if any change were to be made I would say we should keep the boxes as they are (including the logos) and remove the welcome box, which will allow more boxes to be seen initially upon loading without the need to scroll down, but I am personally againt moving the featured box and Nick box to any other part of the page. EDIT: also as for emily saying that the featured pages arent going to be synced, then may I ask just what the hell was the point? It will look silly to have a featured wiki-page on the webpage and then come here and find a different featured page, it will look like one of the sites isnt updating. I personally think that really needs looked into. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with having the featured pages box in the middle is that it completely breaks the flow then. It looks like below that box nothing more is important and can be skipped anyway; on top however it looks like a highlight which it obviously is. poke | talk 14:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally really like the main page as it is, and there are a lot of people around here that also really like it. I run at a high res, so I have always really liked the smaller game logos spanning the top and not constrained in a box. I also agree with poke that putting the featured articles box in the middle of the page breaks the reading flow for me. I'm speaking just from a frequent wiki user perspective here, so my vote shouldn't hold any additional weight. I'm in the "yay for the current page" camp on this one, though :) [[Image:UserEmilyDiehlStar.gif]] Emily Diehl (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Mabey a mistake?

 * Merged with duplicate section on Talk:Main Page.

On the featured article there is no link on the the header where it sais Charr in big letters, shouldnt it be Charr not Charr Could a sysop fix this? --  Yo Jm   12:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There *is* a link. But all wiki-links just cause the link text to be bold and unlinked if it referred to the very page it is on. 128.176.178.50 12:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No there is no link, but you should try reading that talk page over there when you link to it already.. poke | talk 13:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Main_Page/featured_article --JonTheMon 13:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

latest in game activity adition
How would people feel about including the weekend event description in here too. For example all it has to say is "Double Vanquishing Reward" or something like that? -- Lemming 16:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually also though about that and was wondering why i's missing. —Faalagorn☎/✓ 18:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC).
 * That would require that we shrink something in the current box though.. poke | talk 18:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it fit if you did something like Top Header: Zaishen Quests Bullet 1) Mission Bullet 2) Bounty Bullet 3) Zaishen Combat, then a new line for Weekend Event: Double Vanquishing points? Not sure if it would help, but I think the spacing between things could then be less, allowing you to squeeze in the event. This would also help get the direct link to the Zaishen Quest page on the main page, since that's where I would personally prefer to go (so I can see all the rewards at once). Freedom Bound 18:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would work of course; the thing is something that Tanetris already mentioned to me: There is a big inconsistency between the Nicholas lines (which are more like sentences) and the single-word statements for the Zaishen Quests; so we should decide on a nice way for all then. poke | talk 19:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the weekly events have been around for ages and nobody asked for it then. Furthermore, there are some days during the week where no information is present or where information is inaccurate (sometimes after the event the notice stays), which could lead to mis-interpretation. It'd be nice if it was there, but it's too much hassle imo. -- Alex [[Image:User_AlexEternal_Mr_Bear.jpg|19px]]Eternal 19:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

(reset indent) Ah, I didn't consider the few days when there is no info on the upcoming event. But, I think the first point is not really valid (nobody asking for the weekly event info) since there are now more weekly events to consider (and thus feature). @Poke, as a suggestion for the narrative form, how about using dialog similar to the Zaishen quest page (ex: the Zaishen consider Nundu Bay to be today's priority mission, Protect the innocent and kill Pywatt the swift, Battle it out in the Team Arena) Freedom Bound 19:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, something like that would work of course, but it might be interesting to get some more opinions on this; maybe people do prefer a single statement form. poke | talk 19:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I was also thinking about shrinking both Nicolas and Zaishen quests into one section, leaving more space for other things (weekly events). That way, as mentioned above, we would gain ability to link the info about Zaishen quests as whole.
 * When it comes to the weekly events announcements dates, I'm sure that they could only appear on the days when info is available, leaving a message like "No events announced" when we have no info. —Faalagorn☎/✓ 22:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Faalagorn's suggestion is a good, one, but right now, it says that the weekend event is double vanquishing, which is last weekend's. Should it be changed to "no events announced"? Freedom Bound 13:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Main page size
The two new boxes look cool. The latest ingame activities box is very useful and I can also see where the featured article box is comming from (though I am not too sure that concept will work as well on a more or less static wiki). But both together crowd the page. Main page space should always come at a very high premium. There is a very good reason why we do not put all possible information (e.g. quick links, guild wars news, etc) up there and if you have ever loaded a 200+ links webpage for the first time, you'll know why. I am not suggesting to remove those boxes again, but to have a close look at the entire main page and search for features that might not be needed there.


 * The news, updates and events box has a very similar purpose compared to the latest ingame activity one. Both inform about new event. So these two might be merged. The News box has plenty of elements that could be deleted or shortened (do we really need 4 links for Arenanet interaction, given that it is already featured in the navigation bar? Do we really need 2 lines for a link to GW2?, would special events and weekend event not fit better in the lastest ingame activity box?). The latest ingame activity box could be shortened by making parts of it a table (e.g. the 3 Zaishen quests).
 * Could the wiki community box be made into a full width box with few lines?

There might be other options that I am missing now, but given that the 2 new boxes pretty much destroy the 6-boxes look (as good as they might individually be), we should take the opportunity and make the main page pretty and slim as a whole again by removing stuff that no longer needs a main page link. --Xeeron 21:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I really don't see how people complain about the size of the Main Page.. It's a start page, yes, but compared to other websites it is quite compact and gives a lot of information points quickly without much looks into it. It doesn't hurt to have to scroll a bit and it adding some pixels more won't increase the (file) size of that page in any noticable change.. poke | talk 21:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, all I can say is that I disagree on that point. The bigger the webpage is, the longer an unfamiliar reader needs to figure it out. It might look clear to you, because you have been looking at it for years, but for other people it wont. The more boxes a page has, the more links there are on it and the more you need to scroll, the more you get lost in the layout. Take a look at a page with a similar design, that is unfamiliar to you and you'll see what I mean. That page would be much clearer with less boxes and less scrolling. --Xeeron 13:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Xeeron comparing the wiki start page to the linked page, is like comparing a slight bump against ones shoulder to that of being repeatedly punched in the face. I asked a friend of mine from my alliance who has not used the wiki, but is familiar with how wiki's work, to come and look at the front page and tell me what she thought, as I take your point that I may be biased due to my years of use of the thing. She found it easy enough to navigate however and she said it was all pretty concise and to the point, which is what we are aiming for. I personally would still advocate a removal of the welcome box as I think it takes too much space on the front page for the amount of use it sees (which is practically none). That way we can reduce scrolling for most screen size/resolutions. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Either the Logos go or the Welcome Box does because I can't see either of them getting much use however I do think that with both of them gone, it'd make the page look a lot uglier :S -- Alex [[Image:User_AlexEternal_Mr_Bear.jpg|19px]]Eternal 15:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The Welcome Box dosen't seem to do anything since the logos catch width locking first, making the minimum width around 940px. Which isn't really that bad, imo, but could be better. The min width with just the welcome box should be inside 800 by eyeballing it. Maybe you could make the logs linewrap (like an attribute progression?) when the width gets narrow?


 * Also, yeah, terrible comparasion. The main page here has symmetry and layout and stuff, whereas the linked one is a travesty of abuse of non-styled html tables with the font sizes jacked up for no good reason. --Star Weaver 18:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Xeeron, that's not really a fair comparison. Instead try the main page on Wikipedia, and its other language equivalents, Spanish, simple English and Italian. They are all full of links and you have to scroll. This is more what we should compare to. We could, and should, still try to optimize our layout, of course, but staying away from scrolling isn't that important. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 15:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think our mainpage looks great. As for reducing the size of the logos, while the normal logos, could potentially be smaller and still look good, when it comes to the holidays and the specially decorated logos, any smaller and then start looking cluttered. I think the issue regarding having to scroll to see the bottom of the page is a non-issue. It is less than half a page length scroll, which is seriously nothing. Also, Xeeron, your comparison is like comparing an apple to a busy highway during rush hour.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I really dislike the wikipedia start page for its length as well, so that is a very good point Anja. Could you tell me out of your mind what is written on the second section from the bottom on it? My guess is, no, because that page is so full that people do not recognize everything that is on there and tend to focus on the few upper boxes. Obviously I was not comparing our start page to the ugly one I linked (if we looked like that I'd have quit years ago). I was making a point about keeping your main page concise. Pokes arguement was basically that a little bit does not hurt, and mine is that a little bit of something bad is still bad. That link is just a reminder that having a non-concise main page indeed is bad.


 * Btw, the current copyedit page is already a step in the right direction: Reducing wasted space by combining the welcome message with the image links. --Xeeron 20:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But again, Xeeron, you have to look at the big picture. While combining the logos with the welcome message reduces space, when the holidays come around and we load the holiday logos, they are going to look horrible at that size, and as has been mentioned in topics above, the welcome message is just squished in, and more people dislike it than like it. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I just tried a change to make it work on narrow screens but keep the 175px images. Also, Xeeron, this is what I need to know about wikipedia's front page: Top: Links to encyclopedia content. Middle: Featured and current stuff. Bottom: community, help, wikimedia, language links. And the order dosen't even matter much. --Star Weaver 21:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * At this point, you might as well put them back to 200px, if they are going to be on a separate line from the message, I don't see the big difference of having them inside the box or out. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Shrug* didn't even know they were 200 before, was just an idea based on what I saw on the edit and the main page at the moment ^_^. --Star Weaver 22:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I put them back to 200, Star Weavers idea work with all pic sizes. --Xeeron 22:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * @wyn by "more people dislike it than like it." you mean about 4 people dislike it. i like it in the box + i am sure there is a away to make the text stay static when the size of the window is reduced.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 22:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What about removing the Charmable Animal link? Since it is linked within the Pets page? I don't see a reason to have both and it would shorten the box. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 00:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * how is that going to make the size of the page smaller?--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Putting the logos to the side of the welcome message seems to reduce the space a bit, but the overall look gets to "boxy"; before we had the content displayed within the boxes and the upper part (welcome+logos) worked as a nice eye-catcher. When we make it all into boxes the effect of the logos to loosen up the page is vanished. That is also the reason why I don't want the logos removed. It just doesn't look good without it. And before having XY important links on the Main Page, the page should work as something that gets people's attraction and show them that we actually have something they could be interested in. And btw. we should not make the vertical size smaller by increasing the burden on the horizontal size. If people have to scroll horizontally instead of just vertically, they will sure never visit the site again, but just the one scrollbar is completely fine, because people are used it from >90% of all websites anyway. poke | talk 06:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to echo what pokes last point was, most people would rather scroll vertically than horizontally. It;s the better design choice. ~PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] Talk  16:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Scrolling horizontally is horrible, totally out of the question. Not scrolling is better than scrolling vertically though. --Xeeron 17:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with poke that the current version makes it "boxy". I don't see a problem with the current page, majority of users aren't going to say "OMFG I HAVE TO MOVE MY FINGER TWICE ON MY SCROLL TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, I AM NEVER VISITING THIS SITE AGAIN!".... come on people be realistic, stop nit picking and accept it the way it is.  If you had a problem with the size, you really should have commented during the long period that we were discussing the changes, tbh.  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 18:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there a reason
That avoid scams is listed in Gear and Equipment? -- Wyn 22:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone put it in there because it goes with Trading and is a general item topic, but it does look a little odd in there. It should at least be 'avoiding scams' in this kind of list, neh? --Star Weaver 22:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess it is there for lack of a better fitting category. A lot of them are based in items. --Xeeron 22:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, and why the word “scam” is written from the big letter (Scam)? —Faalagorn☎/✓ 22:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
 * I personally think that both Trading and Avoid scams should be in Game basics, not Gear and Equipment. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I Agree. —Faalagorn☎/✓ 23:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
 * change it if you dont like it wyn also i think they were put there because they are under the topic of items.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 23:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Tane's version of the activities box
I personally don't like it as much as what we have now. I added the dpl stuff (sort of) and I really didn't like it at all. Of course once poke got ahold of my version, it would probably look better because he'd do it correctly. :P -- Wyn 12:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * DPLed. I like it more in that way that we have more information in there with less lost space (especially for the Zuests). The only thing I dislike a bit about it is that the actual names (such as Nicholas Sandford) are not enough highlighted for me. But I can totally live with it. poke | talk 13:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i like it better just bold the names/topics and i think it will be perfect.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay am I missing something but the front page looks a tad weird at the moment, it seems to be missing the Z-quest stuff. I can't see which format i'm in favour of as at the moment i'm assuming the page is gimped? -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The actual front page is missing Zquest info as well. O.o &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I think something has probably buggered up with the DPL syncing as from what I can see the coding seems to still be the same. Where's poke when you need him? -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They disappear when the day's new quests haven't been entered yet. Same thing happened yesterday. As soon as someone updates Zaishen Challenge Quest, it'll be fine, till tomorrow at least. - Tanetris 16:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a wanted effect that the info will disappear when it is no longer up to date. That way we don't display false information for such things. As Tanetris said as soon as we have the information it is automatically displayed. poke | talk 16:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. That makes sense. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm... wouldn't it be good to have some kind of message there in the time they are being updated, instead of blank? Blank looks like the quest list god removed from the main page for some reason, but a message about them being updated, or asking to check back later or something would be informative and not leave people guessing what happened. &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (talk ) 02:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Beginners' Portal
Personally, I am fine with the page as it is, but if people are really concerned about being concise, making what we already have smaller is not the answer. Being concise means saying what we need to say but doing it in fewer words. Most of the actual content of the main page is links for beginners. This is, of course, very important to have easy for people to find, but if we want to make the main page more concise (and I'm not saying we do), one option would be to create a new "Beginners'" or "Game Basics" portal that could house a lot of the boxes that are currently on the main page. This would reduce the number of boxes from 8 to 5 and eliminate a whole row of boxes.

In other words, I am suggesting that we could merge "Game Basics", "Gear and Equipment", "PVE", and "PVP" into one box, and have that box link to main pages for each of those categories, which would then have links and discussion of the various aspects of each of those.

The main point here is that, it seems like there are some people who feel the current main page is too big, but they seem to be trying to find a way to squish what we already have. I don't think that's a good way to approach it, squishing what we have tends to look bad and it won't save that much space anyway. If you want to make the current main page more concise, then play with the content, decide what content really needs to be on the main page or if there is another way to do it, that's how you will make the main page more concise. (Satanael 22:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC))
 * I totally agree. I only ever use the Updates, Dynamic in-game and Wiki Community boxes anyway. Even if there's nothing to replace the defunct boxes on the mainpage the compression would hopefully halt the moaning of "OMG I HAS TO SCROLLZ NOW!!!1 TEH MAINPAGE IS 2 BIGGG!". -- Alex [[Image:User_AlexEternal_Mr_Bear.jpg|19px]]Eternal 11:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is really no difference between the current solution, where people that don't need to scroll because there are only interested in the upper boxes and where beginner have to scroll down a bit to read about interesting topics, and a seperated "beginners portal" where beginner have to click somewhere first and get on a separate page to read about the topics. For those that are only interested in the upper boxes it is the same as they don't even need to scroll; and the others will either have to scroll or click a link. poke | talk 13:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, good point, but if we are going to organize it so beginner stuff is on the bottom and other stuff is further up, then the "community" box should move up and the "game basics" box should move down, don't you think? Or are we keeping the community box on the bottom for a specific reason? (Satanael 05:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

Why is GW2 and upcoming change or feature? its a game,not a feature or a change.
Lol, why is it in that list? --  Yo Jm   12:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * GW and GW2 are linked through the HoM - it's some kind of feature and I'm sure GW2 will effect GW heavily. I think it's a good thing to keep track of GW2 in GWW --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 13:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because "Upcoming changes, features, and sequels" was too long. - Tanetris 13:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * :P --  Yo Jm  User_Yo_Jm_SigNew2.png‎ 18:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

see this topic here-- Zesbeer 21:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The Latest wki update
Mabey there could be a latest wiki update on the top left hand corner of the page because theres a game update, so people might want to see wiki updates?  Yo Jm   19:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't really have that many wiki updates... and for people that are interested in such, there is the Guild Wars Wiki:Community portal. poke | talk 19:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Weekend Events
I don't like this being removed, though main page shows current event already nowdays. But, though you might not have any use for it, you can check the older events from this page aswell. What do you guys think? - J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  18:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The link is there, but only when there is an event announced. poke | talk 18:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He means the old link to the Weekend events page poke, not just the current announcement. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it should be somewhere, maybe quick links? As of right now, it has no links in the Mainspace, beyond a reference link from a few pages (Lucky Weekend, for example). Freedom Bound 19:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How about this: when a weekend event ends and you remove it from the game activity box, you leave the link to Weekend events there? Now it's: Weekend event: Double GvG rewards. When the event ends, leave the link following with "to be announced" or just leave it blank. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That would work, okay. poke | talk 19:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We can also add a new box of General topics to the quick links page, or expand the Other box. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do it as you want, it's just what would do. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it's added to Quick links. Fair enough ^^ Though, as you have to add the link to activity box each week anyway, i think the link should be left on main page too. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Yo Jm/Main Page/Draft
Ok ,i have come back with the idea of featured users again and i have made a nice box with Wyn's help. Please say if you like it and if it could be improved, if we like it so much, mabey we could add it. Or maybe people just wont and think its silly like last time. (link is on header). -- Yo Jm   13:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Yo Jm, but I don't see that as being worthwhile. Maybe, if there were enough active ones, there could (have) be(en) a featured wiki project (when the wiki was still mostly unfinished), but I don't see how featuring a user will be of interest to most people. Maybe, at most, a small text only link in the Wiki Community box. Freedom Bound 14:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotta agree with Freedom Bound on this. Also, if a featured users section were to be made, I would suggest a 1 space box. :P -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 14:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm ok, i did say you could change it if you wanted. -- Yo Jm  User_Yo_Jm_SigNew2.png‎ 07:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Current editcopy layout
May I ask what people think about it? It's a bit confusing to have two different layouts active now, especially as the current editcopy layout didn't really have support/discussion about it.. poke | talk 19:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like the current main page better than this version. (Satanael 19:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Is the only difference the images, or do I need new glasses? If it's just the images, I like the current main page better. If not, I'd better go google optometrists. Freedom Bound 19:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can click the link at the top for a comparison between this and the main page. The images is the only difference that needs discussion. (Satanael 20:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC))