Talk:Magic

Rewriting using cite.php
I'd like to rewrite this article and add citations using cite.php, are there any objections? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 10:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * Honestly, I would be happier if you kept the cite.php extension to pages that really need it, like this. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said on Dhuum talk page, I think we should reserve this for the large articles (not Movement of the World as that is a source itself). Articles such as Lore, Gods of Tyria, Tyria (world), and this page I'm working on slowly. Besides, this article has 3 sources only: History of Tyria, An Empire Divided, and the lore on Abaddon being the one who gave out magic (I forgot where that came from... an Asia-only article or something I think... - which, if so, would be hard to link unless we have a translation of said article). We might as well just cite like this page - i.e., just list the sources on the bottom without the cite.php. Reason why this would be better is that there is no need to footnote every entry from said sources.
 * In short: The longer the article, and the more text (not lists or tables), then sure. We should set up two (at least) requirements for using the cite.php:


 * 1) Long articles (Special:LongPages)
 * 2) More than a certain number (I think 5) sources, which can include: Manuals, articles, individual quests, dialogues, etc.
 * But before we look for which articles to use the cite.php and which not to, I think we should try to expand the lore of articles (and take care of stubs). But that's just me... -- Konig/ talk 22:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also missing information, an excerpt from the Scriptures of Melandru, dated 48 BE, includes a reference to magic, an excerpt from the Scriptures of Grenth imply that Desmina was promised magic, and the Keeper of the Elements implies that he had magic long before humans arrived in Elona. Also, The Ecology of the Charr contradicts Thadeus Lamount's History of Tyria, stating that the Charr weren't given magic along with the other races. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If we include Melandru's scriptures, then we need to include the different kinds (as those scriptures only reference the gods' magic - not magic used by mortals, which seem to be as different as Ritualists' original magic and the common magic). As for the Ecology of the Charr, that may be propaganda of the Charr - reason I say this is because why would the Charr be the only exception? And by the sounds of it, Charr shamans - i.e., their casters and some of the highest Charr in the Legions - existed prior to the Titans. I say this because the shamans not in the Flame Legion gathered and the Shaman Caste (the whole of all the shamans) are seemingly the spell casters of the Charr - which is why they were left alive after the event with Kalla. Though there is a line saying the Charr were given magic by the Titans, more support is there saying that the Charr always had magic. It may be that the Ecology of the Charr actually means the Cauldron of Cataclysm when it says "the Charr at last learned new magic; a new means of destroying their human enemies south of the Wall." -- Konig/ talk 01:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Abaddon
Errm, where in the lore does it say that Abaddon is the one that gave magic to the races? I know he gave magic to the Margonites, but I remember reading that it was just "the gods" that gave magic to all races. What am I missing? --Bloodvayne 15:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It was pre-NF lore given on the Taiwan GW site. -- Konig / talk 16:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Link? --Bloodvayne 16:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A translation can be found here (first comment in the section only - rest is a discussion on the translation). -- Konig / talk 18:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)