Talk:The Great Destroyer

Great Destroyer = Gwen??? Why not? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:201.9.197.153.
 * Because there's absolutely no evidence, maybe? An innocent girl doesn't become an epic villain without a very good motive. I could just as easily say Lady_Althea is the Great Destroyer.--[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  21:04, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Wait, she isn't? :P --Santax 10:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone wasn't around during the beta...  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ  〚 ₮ /ḉ〛 16:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Good times... [~  Reaper  ~] 07:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Conicidence this guy kinda looks like a dragon? he even has burnt Dragon wings --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.230.1.204 (talk).
 * Probably not a coincidence, Primordus is a dragon. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

My guess as to the identity of the Great Destroyer


Ever wonder how a wooden box can be level 24? -- Dashface 12:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Except the Great Destroyer is lvl 31. Eryops3 22:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Another guess as to the identity of the Great Destroyer
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 * (The guess can be seen in "edit" section)
 * Im sure u can guess who i'd call the Great Dwarf then... I have my reasons, but im at work so no time to give more... well what do yas think?--Midnight08 03:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

if it is whom you say it is, it would make balthazar the great dwarf. could be true, i mean god of fire= smiting(making stuff and such). great dwarf. dwarfs make exelent armor. you could be right with this --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:82.136.203.25 (talk).

Great Destroyer
what? This doesnt make any sense at all, why did the "great destroyer" wake up when nobody read the tome of rubicon? For that matter where is the tome of rubicon? Why was "the great destroyer" such a push-over? From a lore point of view, the whole eotn story line doesnt make any sense. What the hell is that huge statue? Answers!! I demand spoilers for gw2! --Lou-Saydus 19:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What you don't realize what the real Great destroyer is? And btw You can read form the tome of rubicon. Its saying the Great destroyer's True name that wakes him.. ~ Zero rogue x 09:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Or the Great Dwarf's true name, saying either one is supposed to set the final battle in motion. I have a feeling that the Dwarves used his true name in that ritual. -- Gordon Ecker 23:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. Otherwise the world would have ended a few hundred times in just the past year if that was the case (the great dwarf is shown to be Droknar). --70.51.121.212 21:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually,I think there is mention in either EN, or the Sorrow's Furnace quest that naming either the Great Dwarf, or the Great Destroyer would destroy the world. Yukiko [[Image:User_Yukiko_Sig.png]] 21:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I have and an answer for your statue question. The staute is one of the ancient dragons, promehious. The great destroyer was merlery his greatest general.There'll be more with the release of GW2. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:65.33.248.77 (talk).
 * Primordus. -- Gordon Ecker 00:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Zelda
does anyone else see a strong resemblence of the end boss from Zelda - Minish Cap in the cave of flames? it's exactly the same strange creature, and in the Third Vision, it even spits out those flames just as in the zelda game. of course, in zelda it's sitting in its lava pit, so you can't see its legs. - Y0_ich_halt 19:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed that as well. the resembelence is quite striking, to say the least. be interesting if we had to defeat the great destroyer in the same way.... [[Image:User-Wandering Traveler Sig.png]] Wandering Traveler 02:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * nope, it's a stupid bare-hit fight. zelda is so much more interesting when it comes to that :P - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 13:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ, I think physically The Great Destroyer has nothing in common with Gleerok. In fact, their only similar characteristics are that they are both lava dwellers. If we're comparing them on that sole fact, then obviously The Great Destroyer resembles The Great Dodongo. Hey! They both have The Great in their name!!! Oh, I was being sarcastic. --ChristopherRodrigues 17:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * um... do you even know what Gleerok looks like? - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 19:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * emily just confirmed it was not intended. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 19:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Really A God?
"Primordus was the first of the ancient dragons to awaken, calling his servants from their slumber. With his breath, he twisted earth and stone, shaping creatures and giving them life. Although the death of the Great Destroyer, his most powerful general, set back the dragon's awakening by two generations, Primordus once again rose to create ever more minions far beneath the ground. To this day, he continues to spread his power throughout the deep caverns beneath Tyria." Doesn't that mean he isn't a god, only a powerful monster made by a Dragon?--TimOfDoom 16:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what are you referencing? -Kumdori (to lazy to log)-160.23.244.253 16:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * he's talking about the gods overview box. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 16:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. It should be removed from the god box, and so it the Great Dwarf.  If the Great Destroyer is not a god, I don't think the Great Dwarf is a god either. Lightblade 18:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Begging the question of what the Great Dwarf really is. --24.179.151.252 21:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Balthazar's general maybe...Great destroyer is Primordious's general, Dragons have the same strength as a god (or hopefully a lot more, abbadon was pitiful) and a God Level Creature's general should not qualify as a godKiller Revan 23:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the point is not that he was actually a god, but that the dwarfs revered to him as the god of evil. Much like the Unseen Ones Rhydeble 07:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should just stick with the true 5 gods in the navbox. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  05:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the navbox should include all current and former members of the main pantheon (in other words the five plus Abaddon, Dhuum and the Goddess of Truth). -- Gordon Ecker 11:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Abaddon was a god, but he was such a pushover because, don't forget, he was chained down and had limited power. He was weakened by being exiled for so long, otherwise he wouldn't need any help getting out. Kormir and Dhuum on the other hand, are not gods. Kormir was given "god-like qualities/abilities", despite the fact that they call her Goddess of truth. I'd say, at the most, she's an immortalized martyr. Dhuum was the god of Death, but then was overthrown by Grenth. Doesn't that imply that he is no longer a god? Let's see... if you're the God of america, then you get overthrown, then you're no longer god of anything, right? I'd say he was severely weakened by grenth, and became, let's say, a "lesser god." Oh, boy, I wish they made like a expansion where you could relive the past when the Gods were still in Tyria. --ChristopherRodrigues 17:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Or one where you could be a god back when there were like, millions of them!--70.71.240.170 08:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Flame Jet
New HM skill? The description says "Skill. A jet of lava shoots out to target foe dealing 600 damage. If that foe is under the effects of an Enchantment, the damaged is halved.". He's used it twice on me, both times doing more than 1k+ dmg >_> -- Doll 21:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like it, maybe now he'll be a challenge? ~ Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 21:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * prot spirit... union... idk... ia is still predictable. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 21:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The behavior is unpredictable. 1k... T.T Lightblade 01:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * have two monks in your party, both with prot spirit equipped. or use a bonder that stays completely outta range somewhere on another platform. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 18:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

BUG
Here's a bug I discovered last night - when the destroyer sinks into the larva, summoning ebon vangard assassins (I used 2x L21 assassins with signet of illusions and arcane echo), will break its invulnerability, causing it to take damage.
 * how, exactly? you mean you just use that skill and he's vulnerable again, or you summon the assassin and it can attack the destroyer? - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 15:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok to clear this up, the reason the Destroyer becomes vulnerable to damage is because the Ebon Vanguard Assassin causes a knockdown. 90.218.142.213 17:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

A minor tip is to try and interrupt Lava Ground (see skill) and Lava Wave (heals).
I don't think this is a good tip. I brought Zho into my party and she said interupting just makes it madder, so use them wisely.-- §  Eloc   §  02:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * because he uses Enraged Blast whenever he gets interrupted. it's good to interrupt as long as your monks can carry that. - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 13:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Pain Inverter + Enraged Blast = very dead Great Destroyer (or did, it was nerfed after all)Killer Revan 23:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes me glad I beat the mission before the nerf :) &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  23:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think they buffed its' Health. They seem to have done the same thing with Ilsundur. -- Gordon Ecker 04:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what they did to him, but he is tough as nails now....--76.2.225.9 00:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I had a tough time before they buffed him =S &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  04:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just finished it, and Pain Inverter + Enraged Blast still = very dead Great Destroyer. -- 121.44.83.214 07:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm interested to let the great destroyer kill himself, you sure zho can activate this skill? not sure if zho is the leetest interupter out there or not...Also, just go with Pain inverter then 2 Echo[elite] + Obsidian Flame earth eles, have the rest of their build random wards, stick alkar's acid and breath of the great dwarf on your build and this is the easiest quest in EoTN -Rella --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.116.156.71.
 * I just saw a 55hp pwn him with Illusion of Pain ~ SCobra [[Image:User-SuperCobra-Sig.png]] 15:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really sad that the final boss in the entire GW1 world can be solo'd by a 55 using Shield of Regen and a simple degen spell (The 55 I just saw used Conjure Nightmare)...--Srakin 18:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Enraged Blast Is A Self-Kill
Just defeated him with heroes and henchies using no special builds. Simply put Pain Inverter on him and DO interrupt his skills whenever you can - I am R5 Asura and, when he used it, the yellow 80s were flying out of him like crazy. Eldin 19:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there an actual reason he's killable? There was for abbadon, but there hasn't been anything offered here.--142.22.186.7 17:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Great Destroyer doesn't really have a reason not to be killable. It's a threat because it co-ordinates the other destroyers, without its' guidance, they're mindless beasts. It's also bigger and stronger than the other destroyers. As for the Tome of the Rubicon and dwarven beliefs about the Great Destroyer, they don't need to be accurate, the Prophecies manual's line about the Great Giants established that mainstream human beliefs about the age and origin of Tyria are wrong, the Nightfall manual established that the traditional account of the events surrounding the Exodus had a significant omission. There's also quite a bit of deception and misinterpretation in the Prophecies plotline. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The Great destroyer
any connection to Trent Reznor's Nine Inch Nails Song, the great destroyer that last part of the song is i hope they cannot see the limitless potential living inside of me to murder everything I hope they cannot see I am the great destroyer Shadowshock 01:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * none whatsoever. this is why trivia is a bad idea --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.160.44.175 (talk).
 * no connection I think, but it gets the NIN song stuck in my head whenever I see this mob's name >< --Kilaelya 00:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The name of the song you are referring to is actually called "The Great Destroyer" and I actually think that there may be a minor reference to that song because the 1st quest for EotN is also called "The Beginning of the End" wish is also a song on the same album (Year Zero).
 * You do know how common that phrase is? Anything dealing with some apocalyptic story will have that phrase. It's as commonly used as the concept of Satan signing contracts for your soul. If not more so. -- Konig / talk 00:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Easiness
I think that the great destroyer wasn't MEANT to be powerful, since he was hidden in a secluded area where no one would have looked unless they had a scrying pool. *winkwink* Plus, all through his battle with you he was devoting part of his mind to controlling the Destroyers, which is his primary strength. Add that to the fact that he had just recently woken up, and that most of his leigons were so far away that he couldn't call them to him, it makes perfect sense that he was so easy. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Calvar Shockheart (talk).
 * It's just like the Hive Queen in "Ender's Game." All the humans had to do there was blow up their home planet... --RoyHarmon 23:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

HEY! I never could kill it, even after trying once. Eryops3 22:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Elementalist?
Why he/it/what ever is elementalist if shiro is not assassin? 85.131.25.153 19:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC) I still cant understand could some1 explain? 85.131.30.152 16:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Rly I want to know. 88.148.192.139 14:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because he drops elementalist tomes. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 14:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Any evidences about this?


 * What, my word isn't good enough for you? Believe it. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 14:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I believe. So I just go pwn shiro few hundred times and if he doesn't drop tome he is not assassin? 88.148.192.139 14:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. He's been pwned a million times and no one's seen him drop an Assassin tome yet...and we do know that he can drop random loot, so it should be possible. That's why he is still classified as "special". Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 14:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explanation. 88.148.192.139 15:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually looks like that was changed and is still there in its current state. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 17:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * .....I don't see any evidence anywhere that he is an Assassin. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 17:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Me neither, just pointing out the article is not what you said it was. ;) Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 17:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

He does drop elementalist tomes, I have gotten one, took a screenshot but can't figure out how to put in here
 * Silver Edge, don't fix something you don't know the truth too... Elementalist tomes are a random drop of The Great Destroyer and it is as such that I updated the page to display this. Ramzagarland 11:06 January 16 2010 (UTC)
 * No,You added RANDOM TOME-Which ive removed, and as per other bosses.we DONT have tomes in items droped area.-- Nei l2250 User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 16:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea thanks for that note Neil2250. Did not know, my bad Ramzagarland 11:16 January 16 2010 (UTC)

Hello?
Am I alone in feeling that being able to kill the most prominent end game boss with a 55 is complete bullshit? Why did we play through all these shitty missions to build golems and get Norn allies if Mr. Gold Farmer Monk can just hop in and kill a god of destruction? EOTN certainly did expand the game with more locations for solo farmers and runners to 1 2 3 their way to obsidian on every character and a set of eternal tonics. Do you care about this game you're making or are you only making it to meet the deadlines and get your paychecks? Prophecies end game was good because you actually needed a full team, or close to a full team even if it was henchmen. Factions end game was awful, awful beyond words. Why did you make it EASIER for only one person to win? Nightfall was close to excellent, you figured out how to build bosses without resorting to the "Is this a boss?" check-box. And EOTN is just sad, the entire game and its plot builds you up for some epic encounter but as soon as you zone into the CTC outpost: "RUNNING ATFH HM 50K INVITE SELF 5 MINUTES!!". Instead of: "GLF MONKS AND DPS TO PLAY THE GAME". Are we going to be killing Primordus with whatever solo build you guys insert into GW2? It's not that I hate soloing. I hate pathetic end-game missions/dungeons/areas that enable slobs to pay their way through the game. No this doesn't mean "nerf 55/sf/etc." it means re-think downing that 5th cup of coffee and start making end-game content that's actually daunting rather than "Cool I can make money here!" The last thing on your mind in the middle of a Destroyer nest should be money. FFS 68.193.113.198
 * Although you ranted about this sometime ago, "50k self invite" and it is now down to 2k HM, 1k NM, i agree with you. This is the same as oblivion, you spent the whole story line "rounding up the troops" forming a great army against a greater army. And then it just turns out to be just you and your chosen heroes/hench. I was hoping for big mobs, and for you to have 5 norn, 5 asura, 5 dwarves, 5 ebon vanguards. And mobs of 30-35, that would kick ass.
 * That sounds cool but it's still a cop-out. "Bigger mobs bigger parties".  Something original and unique like Abaddon would've been nice.  65.40.196.108
 * all they need to do is force destroyer of deeds to always be there instead of the /resign if deeds business MrPaladin talk 14:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you missed it, but for quite some time you could solo Abaddon too. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 12:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What the original poster is missing is that *everything* in GW can be done solo by almost any profession. The nerfs that would have to take place to make PvE in this game challenging would take months, or even years. A-net has so completely screwed up skill ballance and failed in every attempt of forsight into what players will exploit next that the game is easy and can be done with little effort. It's not really A-net's fault though, they are working against every caffine addicted person who plays over 12 hours a day. When hundreds of thousands of people are working to find exploits and loopholes in the mechanics, there's simply no stopping them. And no matter how hard you try, some people are *so* intent on getting elite armor and weapons to show off and look "leet" that they will always be thinking "cool, I can make money here" and there's just no fixing it.75.121.83.113 19:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Flame Jet (2)
The reason we don't have Flame Jet is because no one has created it yet, not because it doesn't exist. We could assume good faith (both on the guy that added it here, and the guys on GuildWiki who created and edited that article) instead of removing it. It's not exactly implausible. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ...not to mention there's a section above about it. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been created. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  00:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Class
He's an elementalist. he dropped me an ele tome just now while i was speedbooking. it was to quick for me to screen shot of course so i have no real proof but if there are other speedbookers that have this happen to them they can back me up. someone wanna post that on here or confirm that im not BSing first? Briar 23:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Disregard my last post. I should really read the page before putting stuff like that on here. derp a derp a tum ta teedly tum. Briar 00:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Gods
y?  A F K  When  Needed 21:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Big no.Hes a General of a dragon.Not a god.Sorry if its an error in the page that got fixed.-- Nei l2250 User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 10:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Art in the depths
Was just bored and wandered around the depths that take you into EotN from Lion's Arch, looking at the scenery, and low and behold I found a mural/stained glass depiction of the Great Destroyer. Same style as the 5 gods' murals and everything. Should I do a texture snag with texmod and add it to the page, or just leave it be? Pariah talk  02:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Snag it :D -Arxae