File talk:"You's Trollin!".jpg

Where is the copyright violation? alice&amp;sven 04:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That depends. Did you take that photograph yourself?  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, for the love of Boxxy alice&amp;sven 04:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Then whoever did take it might hold copyright. If you know who that person is, you can ask for written permission to use the file, or if you don't, you could look for a legitimate reason this might not be protected by copyright or exist in the public domain.  If you can't, then it needs to be deleted.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 05:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Boxxy is public domain, but I guess that's not GFDL compatible. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 05:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, that's where I remember it from. Well, if it is public domain then we can use it, as detailed here, since it's -- y'know -- public domain.  Wait, those videos were on YouTube, right?  I'm not aware of their licensing terms.  It may or may not be compatible.  Go check.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 05:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Where would I check? I can't ask Boxxy.  Youtube policies? alice&amp;sven
 * Since the image was supposedly taken by Boxxy herself, she is the one that has to grant explicit permision to it. If you can't get such permission, the image cannot be posted here.
 * Just remember that most other site out there operate under the Fair Use act (which is different than being "released for public domain). This wiki in particular doesn't accept Fair Use content.--Fighterdoken 18:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could never understand that. Why don't we accept fair use?  It's, y'know, fair.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Whatever happened to "Use the internet at your own risk"? It's like we're asking everyone to put everything they have on the internet, "Don't worry, we have laws that will absolutely stop everyone from doing anything bad."

This is blatant discrimination against Boxxians. How do I make a "you's trollin" skill now :( alice&amp;sven 20:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Use this &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But someone drew that and I would need to find that person and get their permission. alice&amp;sven 22:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Copyright law isn't my specialty here, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but since it was originally published anonymously and the author gave no indication that he/she wished to license it, and because the information needed to determine the original author no longer exists, it should be considered public domain. Moreover, there would be virtually no way for the original author to prove he/she created it, because the image has traversed the internet so broadly.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Even so, the person still holds right of use over his/her image (face included). As such, you can't release a photography of someone under licenses such as CC or GFDL if you don't have the explicit permission of the person whose image you are using.
 * The fact that you can't reach the person whose image appears doesn't automatically gives "public domain" status to the image, just leaves it on a limbo until that person decides to act, and is specifically this "just in case the original author snaps" why Fair Use content is not allowed on the wiki, as far as i remember.--Fighterdoken 23:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "just in case the original author snaps"


 * lolgww &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it's not photography, it's a snap shot from a video (if that makes any difference), a video blog and was posted on youtube which anyone in their right mind (though Boxxy's state of mind is a disputed topic) would know is delivered to homes world-wide, I think the videos are actually stored in a cache on the viewers computer. I don't know if that changes anything, I'm just stating things.  ˚o˚ аІiсә &amp; ѕνәи
 * Nope, changes nothing really.--Fighterdoken 03:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It would qualify as fair use to use a low-resolution screenshot of a non-copyrighted video available on a semi-public server that is not restricted except in a few selected countries that is available to view for free and can be downloaded at any time, for a purpose that is in no way involved with an attempt to profit. I think.  However, GWW doesn't accept "fair use" as a rationalization.  This seems stupid, to me, but... meh.  Ask a one of the lawyers on wikipoodia.  I guess ANet's just paranoid, which I suppose is pretty justified, given they're a company, but there's a point where you just have to step in and say "this is bullshit" rather than keep somebody from using a picture of a face, especially considering that only a judge with a feather up his ass would ever consider ruling this as a copyright violation.  Not my decision though.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 03:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "only a judge with a feather up his ass would ever consider ruling this as a copyright violation..."


 * Let me counter that with the following argument: Anet headquarters are in USA.
 * And indeed, the "No fair use content" is a stance that Anet took for this wiki in particular. Such images would be fine on practically any other site, but are not allowed here.
 * In any case, if someone feels this stance is silly they should direct their complaints directly to ArenaNet. Nothing will change by just ranting here.--Fighterdoken 06:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you insinuating that Americans are zoophiles? ヘペヘヘ аІiсә &amp; ѕνәи