User talk:Fox/Archive 2

Hello
Fox, im sorry but were does it say i cannot blank my page of old or get rid of unwanted comments? I think thats a natural right and not against policy..perhaps i can think of this as like a myspace? Because deleting unwanted comments is my right and my right alone, and i hardly doubt that i cannot do that on MY discussion page, if so were does it say this? Plz tell me ( In a respectful tone) so we can clear this problem up..thank you Taka Zamiazi 15:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

thank you!
Thanks fox, nice to know someone's on top of things brudda...thanks alot...ill keep everything on from now on =) Taka Zamiazi 15:46, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores
Cacoethes Scribendi ~ Kurd 16:50, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Pars sanitatis velle sanari fuit ;) Fox 16:54, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Facile omnes cum valemus recta consilia aegrotis damus ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]17:01, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Nulla res tam necessaria est quam medicina Fox 17:20, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Praesente medico nihil nocet. ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]17:37, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Quod medicina aliis, aliis est acre venenum Fox 17:41, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Quidquid discis, tibi discis ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]17:52, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Ægroto dum anima est, spes est Fox 18:17, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Pulvis et umbra sumus,ideo exspes ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]18:26, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Contra vim mortis non est medicamen in hortis Fox 18:30, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Debemur morti nos nostraque ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]18:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Non est ad astra mollis e terris via Fox 18:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Requiescat in pace ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]18:47, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

For everyone that doesn't understand Latin, they're just talking about the weather. --Dirigible 02:54, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * XD :P Fox 05:01, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I knew those Latin classes from high school were going to come back and haunt me one day >_< -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 08:50, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * LoL -- Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Fox 08:53, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I got an 'F' grade in GCSE Latin, so it's pretty much gobbledygook to me! That and it was 9 years ago :-) Ibiris 10:06, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * GCSE "F"? In virtute sunt multi levels et omnium rerum principia parva sunt. XD Fox 10:09, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Certum vot pete finnem ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]12:58, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Illiud Latine dici non potest ;) Fox 13:44, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Non curo. Si metrum habet, est poema. ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]09:54, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Bene legere saecla vincere :) [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 11:32, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis. ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]15:07, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Borges sumus. Resistere inutile est [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 04:15, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Pro di immortales!, Isto pensitaris? ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]08:59, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Spectaculorum procedere debet! [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 09:18, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Abutebaris modo subjunctivo denuo ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]12:13, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Lapsus calami ;P [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 12:35, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Nescio quid dicas. ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]09:39, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

A *slight* problem with the Lightning Surge skill icon
Hey, I saw that you uploaded an icon with a gold and then a black border...tried reverting back to the golden one (just like it should be), but nothing happened...any idea what to do ? =/ --Torins 14:40, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I uploaded two - now 3 - versions with gold borders... They just don't seem to be appearing :S No idea what's up with it, I'm afraid Fox 14:42, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I think i have an idea what might be causing this. Wrote the idea on the image's talk. Let's go there --Torins 14:44, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Umm, hey again, I wanted to say sorry for causing this uproar with the image, i didn't think it would end up like that :( --Torins 15:46, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Gwen's Flute
Hi Fox Prior removing important element in article you should talk to the one who write it maybe with my point you will have understand why i add those comment, i am not thanking you for what you have done i have to redo all the article, so plz prior doing important change to someone else work ask them why their have done it, --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Odin Son of Barr.


 * I will reply on your talk page as well in case you miss this, Odin, but Fox does not need to consult previous editors before he makes changes.


 * To quote you: "Hi Fox Prior removing important element in article you should talk to the one who write it" -- no, you are mistaken. When you submit content to the wiki you give up your ownership of that content. It is for everyone to edit. Fox made only good faith edits to improve the article and has therefore done nothing wrong. Quite the opposite of wrong, in fact! He has done what we encourage people to do on the wiki: to edit other people's work in an attempt to improve it.


 * Your concept that we should consult with previous authors is impractical. If we had to do this then editing all but the simplest of articles would be impossible. If you have a problem with his changes I recommend you take this to the Talk:Gwen's Flute, but please do not criticise another contributor for making good faith edits. LordBiro 07:42, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Hi Fox and LordBiro, as i understand more this point and i am sorry for this morning just diden't take time to think before reply...tanks for clearing the article i will add images today to complete this article please forget this previous msg and let's continue on good will :D Odin Son of Barr 4 April 2007 8:02


 * Hey Odin, I accept your apology and I understand it was just a misunderstanding. I'm sure Fox will understand too! :) LordBiro 08:13, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

nema problema :) Fox (talk|contribs) 12:28, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Your guild and your talk page
I moved your guild article so that the 'zu' is capitalized as the policy and formatting articles require.

Also, your user talk page is not alowed to use special formatting such as the centering of all text. See Guild Wars Wiki:User page. I removed the formatting for you. (Actually, it looks like what you were trying to do something else which just hadn't worked) -- (gem / talk) 06:39, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yup, I think I carelessly/accidentaly dragged over a stray unwanted line from my Wikipedia user talk page. Thanks Gem [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 04:10, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Thank You.
I'm not sure if people thank you for making the pages pretty but thanks for making my grawl page pretty. ~ Ian Briley (ianbriley)

Perhaps
At that point in the order of undeath edit I was rather annoyed :s. Also I am not an american and so my spelling may appear "wrong" at points. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ellioto.


 * Granted, it can be frustrating, but that is the beauty of the wiki - we can always come along afterwards and correct the spelling and grammar of what are otherwise factually fine articles. Incidentally, grammar, omission and apostraphy are spelled the same on both sides of the Atlantic ;) [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 15:50, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * er, apostrophe? -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 01:03, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Questions about the hard mode on Gaile's user talk page
Should any of my questions regarding the hard mode stay on the mentioned page above since the hard mode is to be released in a matter of hours ? Have I done something wrong that she seems to care more about pink elephants than my questions ? Serge Yseron 15:32, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't say so, I really don't think it has to do with you personally. :) It's more about questions of that same kind, asking for more info on future releases which ANet hasn't decided to share yet. Take a look at the purple box at the top of Gaile's talk page, it was placed there exactly for this reason, she wants to make it clear that her personal talk page shouldn't be mistaken either for the Support site nor for the news section of GuildWars.com. Also, as a rule of thumb, if ANet hasn't already released a particular piece of info, then it's probably useless trying to get that info directly from Gaile. Hope that makes sense. --Dirigible 15:55, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * It seems that my first assumption was right: my questions on the mentioned talk page were inappropriate (see comment on the first deletion of these questions in the log). That said, I should have read the purple box and not post any questions at all. But I also wanted to point out that partial behaviours regarding policy make it difficult, at least for me, to clearly identify what is permited and what is not. For exemple, Gaile finaly deleted the questions and no undo was performed, indicating that everybody agree that these questions should have remained deleted. Having that in mind I wonder if good sens should not prevail over policy in specific circumstances. Serge Yseron 00:53, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * See my reply on your talk page [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:03, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Style and Edits
Hey Fox - Can we discuss your recent edits to Tar Behemoth and Dragon's Gullet? It's obvious that you and I might have different styles to writing articles, but I don't believe that your edits are proper in context. Adding the beasts and monsters is fine, and I was going to get there sooner or later, but removing introductions and descriptions seems awfully arbitrary. Me, I like reading as well as game details. I have no problems with being edited, but being blanked seems pointless, and if that's how it's going to be I'll just stop contributing now...saves time and aggravation. I enjoy Guild Wars precisely because of its detail and general beauty. I don't just play it to race through; it's a gaming experience. I believe the Wiki can accommodate this as well as clearly-presented detail, not just one or the other. Your thoughts? - Sundown Solstice 09:35, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Fox, I am no stranger to Wikis, nor to editing, nor to professional writing. I also well understand that a guideline like If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it grows from an environment in which editors have an underlying respect for the work of others.  You do not.  There was no need for the bulk of your edits, which are destructive in nature, on the pieces I created.  The only criterion you seem to apply is your subjective decision that my work is of no value.  You’re incorrect, of course.  With 95% of this Wiki unwritten, your priority is to muck up what others took pleasure in doing?  Well, that's fine.  I won't be back. - Sundown Solstice 11:38, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * "Muck up"..? You mean, "remove speculation and artistic license and insert factual content"..? Hm, bye then. [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 11:42, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh, come on, now, both of you. This is silly and unneeded.
 * You're not new to wikis, Fox, you know that conflicts in small places like this either need to be solved or avoided, but can't be ignored and dismissed. Wikis are built partly by the collaboration of a group and partly by personal inspiration of individuals, and in all honesty your handling of this situation isn't helping either of those. It's your subjective opinion on those articles versus Solstice's. And no, I'm afraid you don't have the "rules" on your side either as the formatting/Locations guideline suggests that the kind of info that Solstice had placed on those articles belonged there at the top of the page, and not shoved to the bottom in the Notes section. But of course, it's just a formatting guideline, and not policy. And of course, even if it were policy it still wouldn't be final, it still wouldn't be binding enough to not give all sides in the argument a fair chance to discuss their differences and try and reach a compromise.


 * Solstice, that kind of kind of response to clashes of opinions between editors isn't really the healthiest one, either. From the first post here you're "threatening" to stop contributing. As I said above, conflicts can be either solved or avoided. To try solving it, keep discussing it. To avoid the conflict, bring it up with the community, make it impersonal. But the "that's it, I'm leaving" "solution" should always be the last card to play, not the first; it's a far greater loss for the wiki to lose a contributor than to have a few paragraphs moved down the page.


 * Come on, guys. You like red, he likes blue. Fine! You like potatos, he likes tomatos. Still fine! You say high, he says low. And fine it still is! It's merely two editors who have different opinions, and different opinions are great because both sides look after the interests of those who share the same interests as them. Fox likes concise information that goes straight to the point and that is more practical for those looking up some particular information about an area on the wiki, while Solstice likes information that's more abundant in details and descriptions, and is more useful for those who when looking something up on the wiki wish there was more than just some lists of creatures and quests. Both are sensible positions, both views have good points to bring to the table. So lets do figure it out? Can't we try discussing this rationally? If we can't reach a compromise between the three of us, we can always bring it up in some talk page somewhere, and see if someone else can come up with an acceptable structure for those locations that pleases all sides.


 * Bottom line is that even though I probably shouldn't even be sticking my nose in this, I've still had a very positive impression from both you guys here on the wiki in the past, I appreciate both of you either as editors or as community members. Which is why I feel very unhappy to see this situation precipitate like this. Can we try resolving it? Please? --Dirigible 14:10, 22 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Before Solstice left that last message here, I had been mulling over the best way forward, having looked at some of his/her other contributions too. I was going to suggest that maybe he/she looked at putting his/her creative efforts into lore sections, as he/she obviously has a passion for the aesthetic aspects of the game - and don't get me wrong, I do too: many's the time a few guildies and I have just wandered the maps getting screenies of the little nooks and crannies that most people miss in their haste to get to the next quest or mission. BUT I think there's a point at which capturing the detail of the game drifts into becoming an exercise in creative writing. Articles - except in, eg lore - shouldn't really be purple-prosed essays in my opinion.


 * This all started because of my edit to Dragon's Gullet. Here's the diff As I pointed out to Solstice, there isn't very much that has been removed, but there is a lot that has been added, and the layout is different. The article as it was contained some ... well, "less useful" commentary about eg the climate, and speculation about the relationships of the collectors... But no list of monsters, bosses etc. Yes, color-commentary is nice, but not when it is speculative and subjective. I retained most of the original - but it didn't sit well within the article and made more sense to be annotated in the Notes. "there is a beautiful blue stained glass window which casts a diffuse beam of colored light on the path below" That isn't really the kind of information that the main body of an article should be built around, imho, but it is still sufficiently interesting to some that it should be placed in notes, I think. It had occurred to me to sugest to Solstice that maybe he/she should take a look at the articles covering these "points of interest".


 * Looking at some of Solstice's other contributions, I found that in his/her desire to write creatively he/she had overlooked the facts. The article about the Obelisks for example contained a lot of speculation about them that is not backed up, and also wrongly stated their effects. I do enjoy in-depth articles, but if that comes at the expense of them being misleading or just plain wrong, I'll stick to an ugly list of known facts.


 * As for Solstice leaving the wiki - well, I also think it is a pity, as he/she quite obviously would have written a better Statue of Glint article than my humble stub... But if there's going to be tears and high drama every time somebody edits his/her "pieces"... A wiki, by the very nature of its open editing, is no place for squishies [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 18:39, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

1,2,3
Yup ... I can count. :) But the format is to put the most recent to the top, so as part 2 was published 2 weeks after the first I thought it would more reasonably be listed first as the most recent. --Aspectacle 04:49, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Sorry, the edit summary wasn't meant to mock or poke fun at you, just to show that I had numbered the list differently, much like the summary "a,b,c" isn't an implication that the previous editor can't spell lol :P In this instance, I felt it made more sense to list them as they would be accessed [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 04:58, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

FzFL page
thanks for the move / edits, i really appreciate it. and on a completely irrelivant note, its good to see another Garden Faithful on here. Ferdoc 13:19, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

NPC categories
Hey Fox. Just letting you know of this discussion. The question of whether to use that (mission) identifier in the categories was brought up, and the consensus seemed to be to not only omit it, but also merge the explorable and outpost in the same category (meaning Category:Divinity Coast (mission) NPCs should become Category:Divinity Coast NPCs).

The best way to do these is to simply to use NPC location for the ==Locations== section of the NPC articles (using  **  instead of  ** Divinity Coast . This will also autocategorize the page in the proper category (also allowing us to later change this categorization scheme, in case in the future it's decided to split the explorable and outpost from the mission categories.

If that template is used, the location category can be completely omitted from the article, since the template also adds it. Similarly, the NPC infobox also autocategorizes by profession now, so that one can be omitted as well. Which leaves only the species category to be entered manually. Cheers! :) --Dirigible 18:31, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hi D; I wasn't actually naming the categories, or placing articles within categories; although RC shows them as N, they are actually existing categories which already contain tagged articles, but which show as red links because the category page itself contained no description. I'm sure some articles will need to be evaluated for category, and some categories will become redundant, but that's kinda going on in tandem to the work I've been doing on the Wanted pages and Wanted categories. [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 06:30, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Kehanni Nuti
what was wrong with my image?? ~ Kurd 16:58, 28 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Nothing per se, I replaced it with one that followed the same format as 99% of the other NPC boxes - a full length frontal screenie - for uniformity [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 17:33, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I liked mine better :( ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]]04:43, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * My first replacement - also from the cut scene - was better than that one :P [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:01, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Question
Can i join ur guild? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Jimmy R.


 * The guild is not recruiting at the moment, I'm afraid. [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:41, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


 * i like that page i was just lookin at it when u sent me the message im going get some pictures of my charcaters would an ingame pic be best or should i get one from internet? Jimmy 13:41, 29 April 2007 (EDT)


 * In game screenshot of your character would be preferable, I think. [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:41, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


 * And how do i get that little picture thing at the side of my name User:Jimmy R


 * See this section here [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:41, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Also how do u load pictures i really need to know? User:Jimmy R


 * I see you have uploaded an image since posting this comment, so I won't answer that directly. What I would say is that you might find it beneficial to peruse Image Use and also User Images.


 * On a final note, I don't wish to sound harsh, but have you really considered the implications of adding yourself to the Guild_Wars_Wiki:Helpers list? Specifically, "Since this page is designed to be as helpful as possible to newer users that need help, we ask that all users that wish to be listed as a helper have a general understanding of wikicode, policy, and formatting guidelines." Perhaps you might spend a little time familiarizing yourself with the wiki? [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:41, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Cheers Fox
Thanks for uploading some of the NPC pics for the Tihark Orchard (Mission), Fox.:) Saved me a bit of time there... I think I redefined the term Hard Mode while doing the mission...LOL Btw, does ArenaNet have a full set of NPC and weapon pics, or only partial? Cheers again:DMarcus Ferret 11:24, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Hi Marcus, no problem. I had been planning to do some of those articles myself, so had the jpgs already on file. I went back there to get a screenie of the Seborhin tree and grabbed images of the NPCs while there. The ANet stuff... they have the full monty, but it is a slow process of getting the content uploaded as there is just Emily to do it and she obviously has to squeeze it in around the myriad other things she does as designer. [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 11:32, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, I guess they should have the entire collection seeing that they created the game...heh It'll definitely look neater and a lot more manageable once everything is downloaded. Do you guys have a dateline as to when everything will be up, or is there no real rush in getting things sorted out? Anyway, I'll help out where and when I can, and if there's anything I might have missed or messed up, please do drop me a line. Thanks again.:) Marcus Ferret 15:04, 30 April 2007 (EDT)