Talk:The Waiting Game/Archive 1

The Waiting Game
Yes you need to wait?--Nataliexxx 20:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * genius nat genius -- Nick 123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 21:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh shush, im assuming that this is either a gimmik/somethnnig to do with gw2 :P or its going to be sometime this weekend--Nataliexxx 22:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We need ursans and permas for this quest, no doubt  Jonny10  [[Image:Glob_of_Ectoplasm.png |19px]] 22:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Against skills permas won't stand a chance? O.o - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  00:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. running out of songs on my iPod. << Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] Talk  20:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Betting we'll have to wait until GW2 is released.--syn // talk  [[Image:User_Syntheticfibers_imgsig.png|19px| Contributions]] 00:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully this wait is worth something :D -ScaryStu 05:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * :O New Build.. Maybe the Waiting Game is over.. if not.. my iPod ran out of songs.. x.x Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] Talk  01:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, not enough favor. So no one knows >.< Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  01:39, 10 November 2009  (UTC)
 * It gets me this page already has 30 categories in it and the quest isn't even "active". Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] Talk  21:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Preceded by?
Wrong, just obtained this quest on all 5 of my pve chars and I have not done the alleged 'preceding' quest Every Bit Helps.--Im Irrelevant 20:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So we didnt need to do the other 4quests for this one? Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 21:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't do it for nothing. For some half a million still is something ^^ Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  21:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad, I need to do better research next time. Dutch Sunshine 21:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yay more stacks of ToT bags!
^ I needed more money anyway, I guess. Karate  Jesus  21:01, 5 November 2009  (UTC)

Trivia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waiting_Game anything you wikiguys may be interested in.
 * No. "The Waiting Game" is ridiculously common. It even has a root in a game from the 1930s or something. So, no. Wikipedia trivia is not applicable here. :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:03, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * okey xD

Seems to me the name must be a variant of The Crying Game, with all the ranting going on ;p 76.164.111.57 02:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Lol
WTB Epic battle with Dhuum, Reward 2 stacks of ecto. 80.60.80.108 21:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Continuation

 * Martin Kerstein: "The preparations need some time, we are not talking about hours but days, so you don't need to be awake the whole night. ;)"

poke | talk 21:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What the fuck happened to actually telling all of us this stuff? Now we have to find it out from random German forums? Good god. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:16, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Okay, that's great. I just turned down a VQ with my friends. Otherwise, great. Thanks for the quote. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 21:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, I'm a prophet. --> . Either that, or Regina reads the wiki. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:20, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Or, they are just doing what they stated they were going to do (you know, the whole "telling all of us this stuff" that some people cannot stop whining about). Erasculio  21:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Even the power of naught cannot explain the unlikeliness of this assumption's truth. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  21:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Accusations aside, lolthisiswhatyoucallgivinginformation? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:25, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Stop edit:whining kthx -- smøni 21:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * or not :/ <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:30, 5 November 2009  (UTC)

So, basically, they're still making the quest as we speak? <font color="Black">000.00.00.00 00:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Doubt it, probably just fine tuning. &mdash; PmaN 00:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, whatever it is there are people waiting, on mass, to get into the quest. They think they just have to wait a bit and they'll be let in, or if they leave the Voice will disappear.  It's actually quite funny seeing Arenanet's miscommunication in action and how it affects the community like this.  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  00:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Seeing as Regina posted on here, forums, and with the people copying and pasting her words in ToA, it's interesting there is still so many people confused. &mdash; PmaN 01:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Quest Difficulty
How hard do you think this quest will be? 15k exp usually notes a quest to be a "Master" quest. And I can't say I've ever seen a quest give more then 3k in gold.. As well as 100 tots.. Dhuum is one of the lesser gods.. I know most of us have defeated Abbadon.. but this might be an actual hard quest... Magic  <font color="#0000EB">Talk  21:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a taste: Curse of Dhuum, Judgment of Dhuum, Weight of Dhuum. de   Kooning  21:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's likely... This had better be a quest that can be done with h/h like the rest, I do NOT want to waste my time wading through hordes of incompetent people just to find one who can help me do one quest. Keneth 21:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * /agree here -__-" If it's too hard and forces you to team up with people, nobody's gonna have any fun...213.166.194.10 21:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * /DISAGREE - This quest sounds like great fun.  KJZ 01:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually...Dhuum is still considered a major god considering grenth could never kill or fully defeat him, he only sealed away his power, and that was with the help of all the reapers. so...he could be as powerful if not more powerful then Abbadon, and abbadon's power was still half way chained when we beat HIM!
 * From GW manuscripts and lore posted to wiki he's a lesser god. Same as Minzies which we may see later on the FoW upgrades? :P Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  03:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * h/hable in the Underworld? Heros and Henchmen.. no Henchmen in UW maybe 6man hero way but id prefer 8 real people in UW personally--<font color="Blue">Nataliexxx 15:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, this i dont think should be master difficulty, it should be "Gangsta" difficulty.

Great
I missed the quest. I thought Every Bit was the end and that the holiday ended at 12:00am EST MONDAY (as in sunday night). So are we going to miss the conclusion if we failed to do this 10 second NPC interaction? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You can still get the quest, as Mad King's Steward is still on his both spots Dutch Sunshine 21:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As stated in other placed this quest has no requirements other then to own Prophecies of Nightfall and was added today. So you can still obtain it. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  21:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OH, ok, brb playing the waiting game Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * gg --Kyoshi 18:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

So its around Saturday?
.   ^     -- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250   21:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There has been no stated timeframe for the quest to activate.


 * Announcement by Martin Kerstein

<Big>Bad tranlation : The preparations need some time, we do not speak separate here

of hours days,we do not need to strike you though the night around your ears.

<Big>Good Tranlation : "The preparations need some time, we are not

talking about hours but days, so you don't need to be awake the whole night. ;)"-- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250  21:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The bad translation is actually much better. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 22:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

do you have to finish the others?
before you do this one. pers onn5  21:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, read the page. -- smøni  21:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be more polite, read this:
 * <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:45, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:45, 5 November 2009  (UTC)

I'm too lazy to read the page. pers onn5  21:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Then I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if Smoni or Karate felt too lazy to answer, now would it? =) --Curin Derwin 00:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw have i worded that correctly? My grammar isn't brilliant to be honest. --Smithy-Star [[File:User Smithyben sig icon.png]] 01:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Elite Mission?
Could they be adding a new Elite Mission? Maybe the quest is just an additional reward.
 * Don't get your hopes up. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:49, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * I had that idea too (Dhuum like Urgoz), but it would be strange if there would be two UW's: The normal UW with the quests and a second as Elite Mission. But i think it's possible that something permanent will be introduced with that quest, like the Skeletons of Dhuum before --89.247.148.182 19:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe its more like the DoA quest, so we might have to complete UW to fight dhuum? ^^ but then, dont think this will be permanent ;> 193.190.253.147 19:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the idea is its like Urgoz, but you have too do the quests too fight dhuum, instead of areas. though area effects would be nice, Chaos Plaines giving longer skill cast times and bone pits reduced healing for example. Reaper94 22:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Assumption: All Everlasting mopstoppers used - Dhuum will come
When the mobstoppers are out of stock, Dhuum should be arriving quicker, due to killing his Skeleton's and him getting stronger. Several people have stacked piles in storage due to the repeatable quest. My assumption is that when those mobstoppers are used, skeletons will be killed without emprisoning them in a mobstopper, growing Dhuum´s power and arriving quicker. It should be in line with the story told by the four preceeding quests. Didis 21:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, that's unfortunate if you're assumption is correct (lol), because I'm keeping a stack in storage forever :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:58, 5 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Although, this does make me wonder.... A.Net hasn't stated a specific time for which this quest will be completed. In fact, they simply stated it is expected to start in a matter of days. However, what if (yes this is pure speculation) the official start time has nothing to do with a clock. I mean, the lore of this quest chain is that killing things in the Underworld (notably skeletons) gives Dhuum more power, and when Dhuum gains enough power he will break free. So instead of a time limit, A.Net may have simply set a counter for the number of Skeleton's killed game-wide since the end of the Halloween festival/quests. It would also explain the delayed release of this quest; give it a few days for the underworld to settle down into it's usual farming and measure the rate at which the skeletons are dying. Then use that rate to determine a reasonable count for which Dhuum should awaken. The whole thing would be fairly irrelevant and completely untestable; however, it would be interesting if A.Net was actually programming the game to live up to the lore.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  22:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is more likely that the time will come when a certain kill count number (i.e., any death - player, or creature) has been reached in the Underworld (it should be possible to count deaths in all instances of the Underworld). My guess: 6,660,000 (for the 666 reference) kills, Dhuum comes. That is, if it isn't a natural timer. -- Konig/ talk 23:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Psst... actually, they just couldn't finish the quest in time ^^; &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (<font color="#8B0000">talk ) 23:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * @Blood Red Giant: Kind of like how they're adding the battles against dragons in GW2? Have you noticed they're slowing tying knots in the lose ends of the lore as we work to GW2? So x kills are achieved in the UW and a server announcement appears from the Voice of Grenth looking for noble heroes to kill Dhuum (kind of the same idea behind the Dragon Festival when they start up the missions and the server announcement is cast). [You'll realize if you watch the devs notes here on the wiki that as they code GW2 they tend to test little things out on GW1.] Hmmm.. *ponders* :P Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  01:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Dhuum will charge into town. The Steward will then transform us all into candy thanks to power granted by thorn, and there will be a massive battle between a ginormous god and hundreds of players in town. --<font color="#FFC125">King Of Kamelott  14:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be glorious, but I don't think the current engine can handle that sort of thing. Here's hoping I'm wrong! --[[Image:User mrsmiles tinysmile.png| ]] MrSmiles 15:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lore wise, you're not killing the skeletons. You're trapping them with mobstoppers.  It just so happens that they can be trapped regardless if they're weak or dead.  (I think the quest even says "we can't kill them, so trap them instead). Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm keeping a stack in storage too Karate :D -- Skeletor,  Lord of the Dead  User Skeletor Il Image-Negativezombie.png 23:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Waiting Game Sucks
Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos! --BlueNovember 22:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i saw some1 say that in game -- Nick 123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 22:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * For people who didn't get the reference, read Hungry Hungry Hippos. --Silver Edge 22:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The skills of dhuum maybe, its getting hard
Curse of Dhuum: Resurrection is disabled. Should you die, your spirit will travel to the Forgotten Vale. Non-living creatures gain 50% less benefit from healing.
 * Dhuum's Rest: Spell. Channel energy towards putting Dhuum to Rest. Easily interrupted.
 * Dhuum (skill): Dhuum does cool stuff.
 * Summon Champion: Spell. Summon a Champion of Dhuum.
 * Summon Minions: Spell. Summon Minions of Dhuum.
 * Touch of Dhuum: Touch Spell. Steal 100 Health from target touched foe. That foe suffers from 15% Death Penalty. If Touch of Dhuum steals health from a foe with 60% Death Penalty, that foe dies.
 * Reaping of Dhuum: Scythe Attack. For 15 seconds, Dhuum moves between targets each second dealing 150 damage with each attack. Dhuum does not target something more than once. Dhuum will stop these attacks when there are no eligible targets in the area of his last attack.
 * Judgment of Dhuum: Spell. For 4 seconds, Dhuum deals 75 damage to everything in the room each second.
 * Weight of Dhuum: Scythe Attack. For 5 seconds, target foe moves and attacks 90% slower. Triples casting times. Foe receives 75% less benefit from healing and has -10 Health degeneration.
 * Encase Skeletal: Spell. Target Skeletal is rendered harmless for 15 seconds.
 * Ghostly Fury: Spell. Deals 50 damage. Disables Dhuum's Rest for 10 seconds.
 * Dhuum's Rest (2): Spell. Channel energy towards putting Dhuum to Rest. Easily interrupted. Disables Ghostly Fury for 10 seconds.

If it are the real skills isnt known but if it is its gone be hard. SF won't survive it 600hp also not because you get 75%healing and monks with balance group. Well it will be even hard maybe we need to go 8player discordway Mo/N to kill it. Death Sligher  23:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice catch. This doesn't smell like an easy quest, but I hope I'm wrong. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 00:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * E-denial looks like it'll hurt him. His skills are overpowered as hell but they all have nasty energy costs associated with them.  Spirit shackles should work, it's pretty obvious he (or at least some of his minions) will attack directly, per Reaping of Dhuum.  My guess for the fight is that there will be a "Dhuum Health Meter" somewhere, which can be reduced with that skill whose name escapes me that "Dedicated energy to binding him" or whatever.  In the meantime, you deal with his gay imba lolmg skills and the occasional wave of minions, similar to the Abaddon or Great Destroyer battles.  Either way, new content is desperately overdue.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 03:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the skills Encase Skeletal and Dhuum's Rest (both of them) are likely to be special player skills. That leaves 7 remaining skills to make up Dhuum's bar. Given that we have unique skills for this, I suspect that this will be another mission whereby we go in as a Steward of the Mad King, or possibly even as a Reaper form. (I hope you guys saved your Phantasmal Tonics!) Otherwise... If we're going in as a standard party, I'd suggest bringing a Blind bot to keep Dhuum from using his devastating scythe attacks, a Paragon with Can't Touch This! to stop his touch attack, and a Ranger with Broad Head Arrow to stop his spells. Complete shutdown.


 * In any event, this quest should be lots of fun. I can't wait! :D - Zaxares 03:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of those are nof NPC allies. Backsword 05:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I love how Death Sligher immediately thinks about how SF and 600 will fare instead of anything else. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I did think of something else since I said even balances groups will get it hard, maybe we need to go 8mo/n discord way to kill it since we will need more healers? Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 15:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Zaxares suggestions aren't too bad; however, Broad Head Arrow won't work as most (if not all) of his spells have 0 cast time. I don't really feel like checking that again, but I know at least Judgement of Dhuum does. Also, I was thinking about simply snaring Dhuum with a few snares to remove any inherent speed boost, spread out, and keep kiting him. You'd keep the guy busy while not taking any damage directly from him. However, we'll soon see how well that theory works in practice.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  16:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * May I suggest Tryoptophan Signet instead if you are trying to slow him? The signet will last it's full duration on bosses, unlike hexes and conditions.  Also, I agree with Zaxares that Can't Touch This! looks like a wonderful skill here.  Toss that on a modified imbagon and you should be fairly well off.  Groups asking for my paragon for an "elite" quest/mission? Never!4.88.54.24 23:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oooh, good idea on Tryptophan Signet! I'll have to remember to bring that. I have a feeling that the Dhuum skills are not fully finalised either; it's very rare for spells to have a 0 casting time. If they are, they're usually skills, not spells. If they do turn out to be skills, then we can drop BHA and just rely on the "snare and spread out" method. I'd suggest a Shroud of Silence assassin, but the duration is far too short for it to be really useful. - Zaxares 00:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

A Mes/Par with: 'Echo' & 'Blackout' + 'Can't Touch This' or Mes/Mnk with: 'Echo' & 'Blackout' + self prot etc... Just use a rock candy for self speed buff, will need a E-gain skill or a BiP Nec etc in team to keep Blackout up for long 10E cost every 6~ seconds. Oh yeah Wastrels Worry + Echo & Blackout is good fun in PvP now and then even if bit gimmicky and situational XvonV 80.47.209.201 21:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * touch of Dhuum seems abit overkill though...i'm thinking that an encounter with Dhuum will be in a pretty big room seeing one of his skills says the "all in the room"219.74.137.41 14:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)halfnode
 * I Think i'll get through my pumpkn cookies doing this. <font color="LightBlue">Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig4.jpg|19px|User:Fox007]] 15:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Preview of Event System for GW2?
To me, this looks like Arenanet is giving us a taste of the random events we'll be seeing in Guild Wars 2. Some large event is going to be happening at an unknown time, and judging by Dhuum's skills we've seen, specifically Reaping of Dhuum, we might see groups of 15 or more. I'm not sure if that's possible and the 15 seconds is just so he could also target pets or spirits, but I think they're trying to stir some more interest for Guild Wars 2. 69.138.164.205 01:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.. I just said something close to this above.. It'd be cool but I hope it doesn't take a lot of people in 1 area.. My computer is decent.. but I don't think it could take the lag. x.x Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  01:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, doubt it. Everyone needs to quick being so quick to jump to conclusions about GW2. Just because something new was introduced into GW1, doesn't mean that the GWLT stole the idea from GW2 development. It could just be (*gasp*) that they made it for GW1...... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">02:31, 6 November 2009  (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it will or won't but you never really know. And yes, the live team does take things from the GW2 dev teams as things have been posted many times in different devs journals. For example, they've found a way to kill of the "sync enters" for random styles of PvP for GW2 and are currently working it into GW1. It just hasn't been released as their working on everything else, ie the Codex Arena, then Halloween as well as automating monthly updates. And btw KJ, don't be so negative about the game. Have a little faith. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  03:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would doubt something like this. If this was a preview of anything to do with GW2 it would have been executed in a far more effective manner.  This seems more of Arenanet biting off more than it can true.  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  03:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not test out ideas and concepts on a game before adding in a larger scale version to a game in creation? With all the community feedback, they could tweak things to perfection.. er.. as perfect as some kind of possible? Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  05:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I got a GW2 taste in my mouth when I took the quest and I saw everyone waiting, but to be honest I don't think this is the case. Think about it, could they actually do that? At the moment there are some limitations (like objects being in fact NPCs for example) so I don't think they could implement that kind of GW2 event system in GW1. But then again I could be very wrong. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 07:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason they're making GW2 is because of limitations GW1 has that prevent them from having such kinds of quests. Assuming this is a GW2 preview is inaccurate. It's fully possible that this is content they added for Halloween (as crazy as that sounds) ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ which has now taken us back around to my point and in a big circle. The end. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:09, 6 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Man, you are a really negative person. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 16:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Quest Required?
Will we be able to fight Dhuum anytime we want after he shows up? Or do we have to have this one time only quest?
 * We'll know once he shows up, I suppose. There's not really much news on this yet. We don't even know with absolute certainty that we'll be fighting Dhuum, not yet. --Kyoshi 07:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes we do.
 * My guess is it will work in a similar fashion to Captain Rujiyo. Every few minutes or hours, a world message will tell you the quest is available. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm, I guess I stand corrected on that point, but that's about all we know for certain, then. Otherwise just guesses. --Kyoshi 08:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It would seem harsh to players that can only get on on weekends for the quest to disappear then actually being able to do it.--<font color="Blue">Nataliexxx 15:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hint
Do note that there may well be a quest chain still to come. This is just quest 1124. There are still 1125, 1126 and 1127 to Go. Backsword 05:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you look thru the gw.dat file? Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  05:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * GWDatBrowser, but that's not how you find text, in most cases. Quest and skill IDs are found using hex editing. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Backsword. I think this quest is just gonna get us into UW (or whatever the instance may be). Once we're there we may be able to pick up more quests to actually kill dhuum. I doubt "the waiting game" would be the name for the quest that has you kill him. - Auron 05:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Source? -- riyen ♥  05:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The gw.dat file? Like they just said? Please note that this is clearly speculation and educated guessing (hence the use of the subjunctive). King Neoterikos 07:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Epic Quest dialoge
Make pie and groom Mad King's invisble pony. I laughed tbh :D -Mikkelet 07:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I Lol'ed mu pants--Lord randy taylor 19:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I fired ma lazor - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 21:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wtf
Seriously? We have to wait? I see Dhuum's skills, i see how hard he is gonna be, but we have to wait too? that makes things at least ten times harder! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.150.215.219 (talk).
 * What is it with people leaving rude and sarcastic comments and not signing them, lately? I've really got to learn the "unsigned" function and overhaul. Oh, if you're not being sarcastic, I sympathize with you but will still tell you to suck it up. They said a few days. If you really have no better way to spend a few days than waiting in a video game, you lose my sympathy. --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 17:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Here here. Good things come to those who wait. And yes, do sign your comments in future. Batchie 18:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, boohoo we have to wait. -- smøni  19:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh I don't know why people are complaining about waiting and about the quest being to hard. I don't care about waiting a few days and I for one, would actually enjoy the quest to be a bit more challenging. I mean, its not like the other Halloween quests were hard, I completed them all first time... -- Skeletor,  Lord of the Dead  User Skeletor Il Image-Negativezombie.png 23:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fighting another god sounds like fun. --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 23:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's gonna be epic. I wonder if the Skeletons of Dhuum will go away after this quest. It would make sense, right? -[[File:User_Mikkelet_Eme.jpg]] Mikkelet 00:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I still hope they won't, and I can't imagine that they would, given how Linsey has stated that they were directed at UWSC groups. –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 00:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We need a god-slaying title and a couple more gods to do in.^^12.6.238.154 05:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The tenth title for the Norn title track used to be "Slayer of Gods" instead of "Slayer of All," and evidently ANet decided to change it. Though I would agree, being able to battle menzies and other gods/lesser gods as well would be awesome. -- E lven C haos  [[Image:User Elven Chaos RiftEdit.jpg|19px|Elven's Talk Page]] 07:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We know his skills from further up the page (it could be false though) now we have time to prepare for what may come. EDA/Bsurge+CTT+Banishing strike+any other anti melee (assuming his minions are the same as necromancers) go go go--Bleded Scythe 08:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I only hope that they will remove the skeletons after this cause really if you are not retarded you can still perma farm UW and they really only nerfed non-assassin solo builds, fail... Tyraelxy 16:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * so then keep them and keep the retarted permas out of uwsc. 24.34.231.13 16:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * @Elvin Chaos: What are you.. a Charr? Killin the rest of the gods.. << & @24.34.231.13: Thanks.. more of them invaded ToPK. >> Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  19:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * even more of them have invaded fowsc, and have no clue what to do. 24.34.231.13 00:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset Indent) @Migic: No, I'm Elven, not a Charr. And just because I killed Abbadon doesn't mean I killed them all D; -- E lven C haos  01:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

What are we waiting for?
So, we're waiting... but for what? What I've understood from these above comments, it's gonna be some kinda epic battle against Dhuum himself. I mean, it's gotta be something totally awesome when it takes ANet days to make it happen. So does anybody have any ideas about what we're actually waiting for? --Piippo 14:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would guess that everything is done, they're just waiting to make sure most people know the quest is available and take it. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 15:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 300 players, 10,000 dhuum servants. One instance. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 17:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would hazard a guess that they're still actually working on the quest: ie, it's not finished yet. I expect it to be finished and released by the weekend.  We're told it's to try and build suspense but I don't buy that.  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  17:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Take your time to sharpen your weapons, patch your armor and rest to be in top shape. &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (<font color="#8B0000">talk ) 17:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait! What?!?!  NO GETTING THE CANDY READY!  I rage >:|  ^_^  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  17:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It would have been interesting if they'd set up a counter: Dhuum gets released when a certain number of creatures get killed in the underworld. Every time you enter the ToA, in addition to "x achievements required to earn the favor of the gods" you'd get a "x more Underworld deaths to Dhuum's escape." Granted, it'd be a hard thing for A-net to monitor, but it'd have certainly been fun.140.209.227.18 20:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Dhuum's true identity is lag and 0 FPS? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the wait is until the weekend, and that will be the weekend event, to kill dhuum....74.15.196.5 16:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What
I'm curious as to why Anet decided to give everyone ~50k in gold, ~1,000 ToT bags + whatever we got from quests 1-4.... Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Mainly because they don't give a damn about the ruined shambles of the economy. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 20:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How was the economy ruined? I see signs of a strong economy: vigorous trading in items of all types; mostly stable prices in most items; and I can mostly buy anything I need in LA or Spamadan. While lots of people farmed bags, many did not. Many of those who did used the contents to further their own titles. Finally, the price of ToTs increased far beyond the value of their contents, showing that demand for ToTs exceeded even the bountiful supply offered through H'ween.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fiscal stimulus. -- Skeletor,  Lord of the Dead  User Skeletor Il Image-Negativezombie.png 21:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, it shows ectos are so easy to obtain that nobody cares if ToTs are overpriced.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  21:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Idk where you've been Tennessee but I haven't seen the game have a "strong" economy in years. Most items on the market are so cheap it's not even funny. And for those that run users around the game, prices for runs have dropped drastically over the years. The only "rare" items you see in the market are a few weapon skins (most from EotN), a few rare mats (mainly ectos/obby shards), and consumables (mainly EL tonics/Nich's gifts). Give them some time and most of them will drop in price as well. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  06:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've outlined my criteria for strong economy above; I do not think that "high prices" alone determine whether an economy is strong or weak.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Most people who complain about a collapsing economy are doing so from a seller's viewpoint. They have lots of items, whether materials or rare/unique drops, and lots of ways of producing more items: farming, running, speed clears, and so on. From this point of view, prices being low is not good, because it undercuts what they can sell those items for. From almost any other point of view, prices being low is good, because it means more people can afford to buy the things they want. To put it another way: ectos being 4k each is terrible if you want to sell a stack of them, but great if you want to buy chaos gauntlets now rather than after another six months of grinding. Not that I know why anyone would want chaos gauntlets because they look as ugly as sin, but that's another matter. -- Hong 08:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Chaos gloves are shiny, what else do you need ? XD 195.132.195.136 10:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Supposedly they are getting to reset the economy to try and get the prices of ectos and runes back to there target price range --Spicy was hot wing 15:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Two things: 1) Citation needed.  2) If Anet hasn't given a shiat about broken game mechanics for years (seriously, how long have Mo smite/600s been around?  and it's been at least 8 months of Shadowform perma-speed-clearing the underworld where even their latest "fix" has done nothing to stop it), what makes you think they'll suddenly give a shiat now?65.207.54.194 15:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as citation it is a rumor that is going around. Second what is wrong with 600/smites. The reason why Anet doesn't fix 600/smite is u cannot solo areas it require more then one person. Which is why 55 has been more than not been "fixed" --Spicy was hot wing 16:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * One monk hero to smite is all you need. A second person is completely unnecessary.  Which is besides the point that permanent invincibility is a bad game mechanic. 65.207.54.194 20:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "Most items on the market are so cheap it's not even funny." This statement validates the belief that the economy is healthy. The various gold sinks in the game must be working as intended, to keep the supply of cash in circulation low. When theres an artifical shortage of cash, prices tend to stay low since on average there isn't enough cash available to charge exorbitant prices. A while back players complained that prices were too high and there was too much gp in circulation, thus Anet created these gold sinks, so now prices are low. You can't have it both ways. Flipper 14:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ITT "Baww my 400ecto items are only worth 390 ectos today". So much for that.  I did however heave a great big sigh at the comment "things are so cheap these days".  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How is 600/smite considered permanent invicibility --Spicy was hot wing 06:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 600/smite without other skills to lesser damage can only take a certain amount of hits per cast, aka 10hits/(i think 2 seconds), meaning you arnt completly invincible. however people sometimes give their heroes damage reduction bonds since bond activates before them Headchopperz 09:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You aren't immune to enchant removal(when SB runs out), nor knockdowns, nor energy denial, nor interupts. You are very exposed to life degen/steal. It's not a "everything against you miss" type of build. It is, to a lesser extent an issue to this game though as it works in a number of areas. M3G [[Image:User_M3G_Pumpkin.png‎| 19px | ]] 10:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 600/Smite. Running a little offtopic now aren't we? Seeing as this is a festive quest talk page.--Im Irrelevant 16:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To me it seems that Anet is consciously providing means for the newer players (i.e. those who have not been around since day 1 of GW) to acquire stuff for their HoM (titles, weapons - providing the gold to buy them if needed...). While I can see how the players who have been playing from a very early start may be a little annoyed (what? that newb just has to play the storyline accepting Zaishen quests and is maxing almost all the EotN titles while it took me ages of reputation farming?) I think I can guess why they are doing it. HoM seems to somehow link into GW2; rewarding former GW players by some (probably just nice-looking but otherwise negligible) extras makes sense (get people to move over to GW2) while creating differences within this group of former GW players (like: you can always see in GW2 if somebody has been playing GW from day 1 onwards) would probably not have the desired effect (might even make people linger in GW to obtain those extras). Just guessing though. --Iant 18:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Rick Roll
Me thinks Annet will send us all to Underworld to watch rick roll, with grenth singing and dhumm doing some bas ass dance, and Abaddon on the Bass and Menzies on the drums. (wait what, i dont remember bass or drums in rick roll??, ah heck) Headchopperz 00:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Annoy a shit load of players with an old meme? Nah.  -- smøni  00:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool story Hansel --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 01:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It would sell GW 2 for me if they did that. Aevar talk  contribs 04:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be epic. But save it for April Fool's--220.237.77.20 08:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be terribly, terribly entertaining in a sick sorta way if that's how long we have to "wait" in this "waiting game" XD 65.207.54.194 15:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reward: 5 50 XP (per days passed before collecting) | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 22:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Since we're still waiting, let's enjoy the Rit Roll. --Silver Edge 23:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * they already got abaddons dance, if u do /dance in his mission he dances.
 * This would be an awful waste of time, even for April Fool's. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

"wait what, i dont remember bass or drums in rick roll??, ah heck" is so... i am offended at that since i play bass guitar, but will forgive it since you put Abaddon on bass... hmm who's on guitar? Great Dwarf? Dead Spider God (anyone know the name for it yet?)--&#91;&#91;User:Dervashah&#124;Dervashah&#93;&#93; &lt;small&gt;&#91;&#91;User talk:Dervashah&#124;&#39;&#39;talk&#39;&#39;&#93;&#93;&lt;/small&gt; 07:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)