User talk:Lemming64/Archive0109

Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and Happy Wintersday Lem. -- Kakarot  06:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And a Happy New Year too :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 20:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Tabs
Hi, I need help: I tried to change my tabs, so they wouldn't have a bottomline on the current pagetab, and with little spacings in between. However something seems to be missing/wrong. (p.s.Could you please tell me what you changed if you do so?, So I can learn from it) I had a header, but it seems to be missing too now, (might still be under history of User: Ellisia/Tabs)

My intention, was to have tabs with picuters like on my guildpage (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Dutch_Doom_Brigade), but so they actualy look like tabs(like on your page, with the tabsheader,etc...) I looked at you page(s), to try and learn how you did it, but somthing doesn't seem to match on mine.

It's only my second day on the wiki, so this editing is all a bit new, I hope I didn't break any policys, if so please let me now ;). (I accidently made some pages like: User: Ellisia/Tabs, but without capitols on Tabs, and I would have deleted them if I knew how ;) )

thanks in advance -- Ellisia  00:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I did these tabs a long time ago now, and am a little rusty on how I did it, so I can't really answer your questions, sorry. The best thing is to just look at the code for mine and copy chunks, that is generally what I did. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, it has worked out in the end, with some help from others ;). And I used the same tactic as you :p. -- Ellisia [[Image:User_Ellisia_al_Signiature.jpg‎‎|15px|talk]] 19:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Drama
Are we at level 4 yet? --Drakora 00:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You tell me? :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 01:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No help from me, I wager? xD!-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  01:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I WILL tell you.. ....whore. - FireFox  [[Image:User_FireFox_av.png]] 01:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why did you join a Spanish pvp guild anyway FF? -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 01:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * porque me encanta la gente de España - FireFox [[Image:User_FireFox_av.png]] 02:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Is a series of articles [mission name] (Zaishen quest) really needed?
I found them near to useless, because they don't contain the details which can really help users to do such mission, and probably, they can't because all needed info is already described in the main article [mission name]. If not, the main article should be expanded, not this one. A reward info, copied from ingame text, is also not very helpful, because player can look this in game when quest is active. I write my thoughts here because you are a creator of Divinity Coast (Zaishen quest) article, which doesn't help me in that mission at all. Even a mission map has been copied from a main article. I think that a comparison table with all current known Zaishen missions or quests, conditions and rewards would be more helpful for users. But I haven't found such table yet.

Another possible explanation of these articles: it's a kind of internal competition between some Wiki authors, who attempt to create a new page first. However, the value of such competition is doubtful... --Slavic 04:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they exist because every quest has a unique id that links from in game so when you use the help thing in game it points to the right article here. But technically they could just be turned into redirects... - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 04:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * not my idea so not my decision whether they exist or not, my personal opinion is yes they should for completeness, list of comparison here Zaishen Challenge Quest, competition between users made me lol. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 06:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer the current way, as each quest also lists unique bonus information. poke | talk 07:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the objective and reward information is still unique. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 09:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for explanation! I understand the idea with unique quest ID, which is built in game and its help system, so some kind of reference to Wiki is needed anyway. Whether it will be a separate article or a simple redirection to a referenced mission/quest, is a choice of Wiki authors. Only problem is, currently not all articles have links to a main article on top, which could really help in navigation to walkthrough, but such kind of inconsistency is not hard to fix. Opinions about value of content of new articles itself can be different, though...
 * Also thanks for a link to the comparison table, really helpful! How could I miss it? --Slavic 09:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The main article links should be consistent. Sounds like you've found yourself a wiki project Slavic :D --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Having separate articles for the zaishen quests will lead to an eventual doubling of articles, since it is likely that nearly all missions and bosses will eventually be featured. If that is indeed the case, I would prefer to copy the reward information into the main mission/boss page and turn the quest articles into redirects. --Xeeron 11:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Adrin/Inappropriate Anet Content
What's your point? I don't vote for sysops based on whether they're ANet lovers or not, I vote after I considered whether they would do a good or a bad job.

I don't know, maybe you vote because you like someone or hate someone, but that would be wrong. I really don't see what point you were trying to make. Mini Me  19:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You made it sound like anet was responsible for appointing anet loving people as sysops. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That wasn't what I was trying to say... I know how the sysop election process works on this site. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 09:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
Happy Bday Brotha Drogo Boffin 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday! ^_^ Catch me in game later so I can give you a gift :P - Tesla  00:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday Lem :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What they said. :) --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] Wandering Traveler  03:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Enjoy ^^ | Cyan Light [[Image:User-Cyan Light sig-icon.jpg|19px]] Live! | 13:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday Lemming poke | talk 13:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for all the lovely birthday wishes :) -- Lemming 13:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * grats! when will lemming65's birthday be? ^^ - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.png|18px]] 15:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy B-Day! -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 15:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday :) Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 16:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Birthday Cupcake.png]] - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 16:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 16:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday! Hope you have fun with it! --[[Image:User PoA Sig.png|Talk]] Antioch 16:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

If renders still interests you
We talked about this ages ago, and I finally got around to setting up a page, Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/NPC models/Priority. But it's not much of a community page with only two people having edited it so far. Backsword 19:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah that's cool, now we just have to coax Emily in to uploading a few ;) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

ty
- B ex  11:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problemo! :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wiki as "forum"
Hi! So I was looking through the policies and couldn't find anything specific to Salome's or your comments regarding the talk pages and how unrelated content would be deleted / suppressed through page protection. Could you point me to where I could find that info? I was especially interested in your opinion on the content retention policy regarding current strategy ("Along those lines, we retain all content that documents or describes current mechanics, terminology, game play, skills, equipment, strategy, and canon."). Thanks! (Oh, and nice user page, I might have to borrow some elements when I finally get around to creating mine!) Freedom Bound 13:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I refer to Guild Wars Wiki:Talk pages in particular "A talk page is where discussions or comments regarding the corresponding page takes place. " As for protecting pages talk pages where the forum style use has become unacceptable this is a down to precedent. And steal away, I stole most of it from other people anyway lol. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 14:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that, but in that page, there's a list of the things that can be deleted from a talk page, and I don't see how the current topic meets any of those criteria. Moving would be an option, I guess, but where it would be appropriate is the follow-up question. To the given user's talk page doesn't really make sense to me, since the topics do revolve around strategy for that given page (I refer to Nicholas's page, of course). If that's the issue (the strategy), then a lot of talk pages need to be moved / redirected, particularly those for the missions, which would be odd, since many of the mission article pages specifically direct the wiki user to the talk page for tips/hints, skills suggestions or full walk-throughs. Freedom Bound 15:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are forgetting about sysop discretion also. Sysops are not solely confined by lists of examples, it is within a sysops discretion to say when something is tipping over from being allowed into just being general spam walls. Alot of the text at the moment on that page is not useful. I am not adverse to a wee map showing the fastest route to farm things, on the RELEVANT item page. however much of the chatter is people moaning about the item because they think its hard to farm or just generally nattering. This is not a forum as we've said time and time again. We shouldn't need to explain that as the clue is in the name of the site, it being the official wiki and all. If inappropriate forum like chatter is being constantly generated, then we can and will protect the page to prevent it happening. The already existing text can then either be deleted, moved or archived again in accordance with wiki policy and sysop discretion. I for one do not like deleting comments as it just creates animosity, so I would probably opt for archiving, however I can not speak for the other sysops. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 15:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to note it in the sysop discretion log! Misery  15:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye I wasn't saying it should be deleted, it will be archived at some point anyway, my point is it shouldn't be happening in the first place. It wasn't as if people were even discussing strategy, it is mostly as Salome said, moaning about how hard it is or isn't which is completely irrelevant, and certainly will never be part of the Nicholas article. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 15:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

(reset indent) To me, I guess it's six of one, half-dozen of the other, since the discussion started when someone asked if this week's item was easier than last week's item, when those discussions are all over the talk pages (where it's easier to hit survivor, which alcohol is best to get drunkard, which campaign is easiest to start with, etc.). But, I just wanted clarification, and I guess that's "sysop discretion", so, thanks! Freedom Bound 16:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole protect/delete/remove/article-discussion-only thing was for talk pages which otherwise couldn't be controlled and attracted a lot of policy breaking. That doesn't apply for Nick's talk. It's not even at 32kb... I know this isn't a forum, but we've always 'allowed' (or not disallowed) off-topic/not-so-relevant/unnecessary "chatter".
 * The "volatile"-talk-pages thing is a rare exception to the rule/practice, it shouldn't be taken as the norm. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 16:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly in both mine and Salome's opinion the chatter is getting out of hand in this particular case, I realise the page is not huge now, but that is because it has already been archived once. I agree in most cases it is overlooked and the chatter continues. All myself and Salome are attempting to do is curb the chatter so protection does not become necessary, it is clearly a last resort. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. Since this is a particular talk page that attracts week-by-week discussion as the new locations and items come up, maybe it would help y'all sort things out to make a Talk:NicholasDude/WeeklyChatter page and place a large banner on Talk:NicholasDude requiring any chat that's specific to the current week's activity to be placed on the subpage? --Star Weaver 16:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In full agreement with Lemmings. I do not mind a degree of relevant chatter. However every week the page being spammed with "has he moved?", "no he hasn't!", "oh damn i want him to move", "oh hes moved yay!", "no hes not at X, damn anet!"x100, "oh i hate this item", "yeh i preferred last weeks item", "well i like this item" etc... Is going to get big, unwieldy and tiresome in a very short amount of time. As lemmings said, we were both just trying to curtail protection from becoming necessary. An archive a week of unrelated chatter on an NPC's talk page =/= cool IMHO. And star Weaver although I understand the suggestion and appreciate where you are coming from, it doesn't really change the fact that the mountain of chatter just simply shouldn't be taking place in the first instance. Directing it to a certain place just validates it, however if it continues to persist it may be something that needs considered in amongst the other options stated supra. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, I can see where that would get old. "Please refrain from repetitive chatter while waiting for Nicholas to move at the beginning of the week." might be a good idea to start with. Dunno what to say about the item comparasions. ETA: Is there a "Nick Watch" forum on guru or something that we could direct people to? --Star Weaver 17:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't ever touch my user page again.
I don't give a rats ass "if it interferes with out people viewing my page". The page is revovled around ME. NOT other people. Don't ever touch my user page again without my permission. Thanks. - L ena   talk 04:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So, instead of being a rational adult, and politely asking the reasoning behind Lemming's actions (which, actually, is sound reasoning because it does interfere with the top interface tabs of everyone who is viewing your page), you don't assume good faith and decide to act like a jerk right off the bat? While Lemming perhaps could have asked you first on your talk page to change it (which, technically, it should be in your user monobook so only you see it and not everyone on your talk page), his actions weren't completely unwarranted and certainly didn't call for such disparaging remarks without finding out his opinion first. If you aren't going to follow things like GWW:AGF or won't take the time to find out what your monobook (if you are going to use such tabs) is, then perhaps you should reconsider why you are here in the first place. If this is how you react to situations and act in real life, I honestly understand why your account was banned by ArenaNet. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 04:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

<--Doesn't give a shit. Having said that, spare me the long parapgraph of all-rightousness of "how a person should act". It's as simple as don't touch my page without my persmission. Thanks - L ena   talk 04:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, you are the one that decided to sign up in this community, and in doing so, you agreed to abide by our policies, one of which is GWW:AGF. You don't get to pick and choose which policies you will and will not follow, and multiple breaches of any policy will earn you a ban. It really is that simple. There was nothing "all-righteous" [sic] (or did you mean self-righteous?) about my paragraph; rather, I simply pointed out that what Lemming erased from your page really does belong in your monobook. Other users have been made to remove floating infoboxes from their pages, so why should you be able to disrupt the interface? -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 04:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

If you could read anything I said, I said "do not touch my page ever again WITHOUT my permission". Removing/editting pages my userspace without my permission is a no-no. Asking if he was allowed to move them for me BEFORE doing it would have been the correct way of handling it. Thanks. - L ena   talk 04:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would have been more polite for him to ask before editing. However, you have been nothing but an asshole since your first post here, so I dunno why you expect politeness from others. - Auron 05:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Psh, I lost the "politeness" part of me on the internet the moment Arena.Net did their recent shit to me that they continuously deny and lie about-- I lost my politeness motivation. Will I respect others? Sure. Will I follow rules? Sure, to an extent where I won't blatantly break policy. Do I regret treating others like crap? Hmm... I'd honestly have to say: no. I see no reason what so ever to be "Mr. Nice-Guy". I tried that approach on Guild Wars for 2 years straight and then I (and my gf) got my first suspension for "buying gold" just because I was transfering between accounts and since then it's been nothing but downhill from there. aNet was/is the cause for my crappy attitude towards others on anything GW related, so, blame the cause, not the effect. The only way I'll ever be Mr. Goody Goody again is if Arena.Net 'fessed up and gives me my account back and personally appologizes for their discrimination and grief that they've caused me. - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 05:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Other than the actual game of Guild Wars and this wiki being hosted on their servrs, this wiki has nothing to do with ArenaNet, let alone the Support personnel that banned your account. Please leave the two separate. Lemming, or any other user for that matter, does not deserve the treatment you gave him, simply because ArenaNet did something to you. Guild Wars is Guild Wars, the wiki is the wiki. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 05:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i rly dont care why you're an asshole, but i'm pointing out the folly in expecting others to treat you kindly if you treat them like trash. your reasons are your own, and good on you for fighting the power and all that, but remember the golden rule - if you can't handle people being a dick to you, don't do it to them. - Auron 10:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, Lemming is from ZoS.Net themselves. In a way, he is directly connected to them. ^.^; - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 05:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well seeing as you lost your politeness I guess I will lose mine too. Don't ever come on my talk page again bitching about your account, a. I don't care, b. I REALLY don't care if you got banned. As for your user page, your changes directly interfered with other users ability to use the wiki. Particularly my ability to block you should I need to as one of your tabs was over the button for me. If you want different tabs at the top then modify your monobook like everyone else. Lets get one thing straight, it is not your user page any more than you can own any part of this wiki. You are granted certain privileges by the people who own the servers but that does not mean you can do whatever you like to it. and whilst we are at it, lets get another thing straight, me being in Zos makes me no more directly connected to arenanet than being an admin on this wiki. In conclusion I do not need your permission to edit your userpage, if I did then the wiki would have a setting to mean only that user could edit that page, as has been said it would have been polite, but I think Auron summed that argument up pretty well. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 10:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, stop your bitching, ZoS.Net. Stay off my page, end of story. It's not rocketscience. - L ena   talk 11:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL WTF?! SRSLY? Come on dude. - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 13:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone obviously has entitlement issues. Be sure not to use his internet, or read his blog. He might kill you.  Drago  14:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

For future reference I am requesting politely and preemptively that you do not edit my user page without my permission. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Misery  14:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the policies and rules that govern this site do not allow you to make such a request of any person on the wiki. Sorry. :(  Drago  14:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno, seeing as it doesn't exist, he'd need a pretty compelling reason to edit it. Misery  15:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you DID have one, you couldn't ask that no-one ever edit it. Because, as with the above person, you cannot let it obscure the layout of the wiki environment itself.  Drago  15:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't make one, the page is protected against creation :> Misery  15:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ I lol'ed -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 16:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would've lol'ed too, but he asked to have it protected. Which just ruins the funny. :(  Drago  18:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ^Screen shot or it never happened. Thanks. - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 22:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Screen shot what? -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What screenshot, where? You are making no sense, Lena.  Drago  23:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow the lack of humor..... - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 23:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It would've been funny, if the above didn't assure us all your a tactless ass. Also, you must have the proper context in which to make it funny. You didn't.  Drago  23:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what SHE said. - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 23:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Enough, please. This is degenerating into a flame war and is leading us no where to something even remotely constructive. It doesn't matter who's right here. When a situation falls into this discord, we all suffer for it. Take a moment and cool off, please. -- Antioch 01:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

quick question/help request
i know your busy but i dont know who to ask this to but atm my wiki userpage is copying a friends one but i wana change it so i can change the colours of it but i dont think i can do it while i am copying his page. so can u or show me how i can make the page my own so im not copying his so i can change the colours and stuff --Nick123 17:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like all the relevant parts of your page are in your own userspace, it shouldn't be a problem if you change the colours to your own. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * oh how do u do that? --Nick123 15:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Change the fields in the template you are using


 * tint =
 * background =
 * -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * oh thanks what colour is a bright blue --Nick123 18:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there's the monk color: . Or you could just use "background = #aaf" or similar html color.  --Star Weaver 18:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty some1 should really make a help thing on colours --Nick123 19:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * GWW:PROFCOLORS might help - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 06:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty --Nick123 16:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Main Page
Actually I wanted to wait for an answer here, but now it's too late :P poke | talk 16:13, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol sorry didn't see that message :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Lemming.
I love you. Let's have lots of ZoS.Net babies. We can name them after you, if you want, big daddy. What do you say? ;D - L ena   talk 07:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think our respective girlfriends may get a little upset if we abandon them to run off and have babies together. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 11:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * aww... no fair. >:( that is SO a mood killer. T_T - L ena™  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 22:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)