Talk:Giganticus Lupicus

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In which quest where they actually mentioned? Reaper of Scythes Talk 22:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They aren't mentioned in the game, only in the Prophecies manual and The Movement of the World. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just being pedantic, but the scientific name would have to be Giganticus lupicus -- the second part to the name, the specific epithet -- is never (ever) capitalized by biologists, only the first part, the genus. Normally, too, both parts would be italicized, so more correctly, Giganticus lupicus.
 * Sounds cool. I wanna see one... an alive one. I know they are supposedly extinct but anything is possible in fantasy!Roflmaomgz 11:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

In New GW2 Video
You can see a living giant in the new concept art video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PWUBOdzmI It's exactly 5 minutes in. -Ninjatek 20:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Eeeehhh... I'm gonna say that's probably an intentional optical illusion. I can't decipher if the rubble in the foreground is very large or not, but chances are it' pretty small. Furthermore, the GuildWars equivalent of Giganta doesn't seem to pair up with any of the skeletal remains found throughout Tyria. --Knux 11:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Definably not a Giganticus Lupicus if the giant skeletons really are the GL (note: Nothing actually states that the skeletons are GL, just that they're very likely to be them and there's nothing else stated that they could be), as the GL are far from humanoid. If that thing is really a giant, and not an optical illusion, then it would be a normal, albeit huge, giant, which are far more humanoid. -- Konig / talk 23:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Link with Elder Dragons
Maybe Giganticus Lupics = Elder Dragons ? Joeyw 20:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC) Don't think so! Life Guardian 20:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Although the cause of their extinction has not been confirmed, The Movement of the World implies that it may have been caused by the Ancient Dragons."
 * There's really no implication of the Elder Dragons being the cause of their extinction. The line merely says that the Elder Dragon are as old as the Giganticus Lupicus (and possibly older) and that they go into cycles of being awake and not. -- Konig / talk 23:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually just posted this (see: I put it to you...) over on an unofficial wiki, but I think it fits this line of questioning. I would go as far as to say that the Giganticus Lupicus became the Elder Dragons conceptually. If what I have written below rings true then, it's possible that the Elder Dragons play the part in GW2 that the Giganticus Lupicus were going to play in GW:Utopia, seeing as a lot of the concepts were reworked to put into GW2.203.214.89.131 13:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I put it to you...
This has been reposted from http://www.guildwiki.org/Talk:Giganticus_Lupicus, I just felt that it fit the conversation in the above section about a link to the Elder Dragons.

Hi this hasn't been brought up here and it's pure speculation, but speculation based on observation.

The Guild Wars official Wiki and the Guild Wars 2 Official Wiki talks about the "True Giants". on the Guild Wars offical Wiki it states:

"The giant skeletons located throughout the Desolation, Crystal Desert, Ascalon, Shiverpeak Mountains, Charr Homelands, and Tarnished Coast are suspected to be the remains of the Giganticus Lupicus."

This is believed to be these: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1862/giant60yx.jpg

Many refer to these as fish bones, and this would make sense that they would be fish bones seeing as we know that the Crystal Desert was once an ocean. However, I don't think they are fish bones in the slightest, to me they look more like serpents. The term Giganticus Lupicus CANNOT translate to Ravenous Fish. Ravenous Fish is Pisces rapaces. Giganticus Lupicus can only mean one thing, and that is Gigantic Wolf. So that's possibly the answer, we are looking for Giant Wolf bones. No? Because I've never seen them. So maybe we can assume that the name was not chosen because it was a latin translation, but instead was just a cool sounding name. The only bones that we can properly associate to the "True Giants" is the bone we have in the above picture.

So lets go from what they look like rather than what they should look like based on the obviously misdirectional name.

Big serpents, older than the Forgotten ones. Some speculated that they were the first race on the face of the world, maybe even the ones that formed the world (not necessarily built the world, but formed the lay of the land). A lot of this information was given like hints, with no detail, almost as if it was going to have some significance, maybe in an other chapter of the game.

It took me less than 5 minutes to go through the concept art for GW:Utopia, before I found this: http://dougbot.com/forum/GWXPostUno023.jpg

In Guild Wars Utopia, the emphasis was going to be on Aztec-Mayan looking culture. So lets mix and mangle the belief systems of the other real Life peoples from the Pre-colony Americas. The Mayans believed in the Feathered Serpent God Quetzalcoatl. The Mayan, Aztec and Toltec religions speak of the Giants. Ancient beings that some hold to have been the builders of their pyramids, and others believe is what the Mayan Calendar is counting down to.

So I put it to you that the True Giants are indeed these giant "fish bones" and are also the creature that is depicted int hat concept artwork. Whether the race that was to be revealed in GW:Utopia were going to be praising or fearing the True Giants, it seems logical that these things link together and maybe there was a single survivor of the giants, that would some how feature in the story of GW:Utopia.

I'm only showing you what I have discovered, it's up to you to make your own decisions on this vague and flexible topic, but for me I'm convinced that the True Giants, who ever they were, whatever they did, what ever their motivations, they were these flying serpents.

Thanks for reading! 203.214.89.131 13:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Bring this to a forum, fansite, or your own user-page (once you create an account) if you wish to create a discussion on this topic. This wiki is not designed for such a thing, nor is it within the scope of this article. G R E E N E R  02:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm confused as to what you are talking about, this wiki is designed with a discussion feature, it's not a fanfiction, and this is my own research and observation, on the Giganticus Lupicus. My observations are just as valid as anyone who has posted before me, about what the Giganticus Lupicus actually are. The only difference I see between my speculation and the speculation that EVERYONE else has posted here, is mine has reasoning.124.171.207.246 05:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That last line is a bit egotistical (and incorrect - both in that you're the only one who uses reasoning and certain things you state yourself. For instance, fish do not have bones (they have cartilage-made skeletons) - no one that I've seen has speculated they created the world; also, Anet almost never references the same thing multiple times and Quetzalcoatl has related concept art (feathered creatures not giants).). I would also like to point out one major flaw in your speculation: The initial/main story for GW2 (that is, the Elder Dragons) was made while making Utopia and Utopia was stopped for such. Honestly, if one were to look through the Utopia concept art, and the history of Utopia, it's clear that part of the story was the Tenneks - which evolved into the Destroyers. To say yours is the only one to use reasoning is most certainly is wrong. I could go on about stuff not listed in the Utopia page - statements only placed via reasoning - but I'd rather not delve into a huge debate over nothing - everyone's entitled to their opinion and we'll never know the answer so it'd be pointless to speculate on the story of Utopia.
 * As to what Greener means - the discussion pages are meant to discuss the content of the articles, according to recent discussions at least, and that speculation is not what they're meant for - speculation should, in turn, be placed on fansites. -- Konig / talk 06:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not egotistical at all, I am the only one who has demonstrated my resoning...


 * "Maybe Giganticus Lupics = Elder Dragons ?" There is no demonstrated reasoning behind what makes him think that, I have shown my links and attempted to explain my reasoning. So that not egotistical in the slightest, it's just a fact.


 * As for the fish bones. I have on more than one occasion on more than one forum, heard these called "fish bones" I know full well that fish don't have bones in the literal sense, but at the end of the day you forget that this is a fantasy game, anything is possible, so don't get ahead of yourself. If you even paid half the attention that you should have to be able to make such a rebuking post, then you would have noticed the link to the original post. Where there is a discussion concerning the name Giganticus Lupicus, and someone has mistranslated it as Ravenous Fish, hence my comment that it doesn't translate as such, and these are NOT fish bones.

No, you're not. Maybe on the wikis, since their discussion pages aren't meant for speculation, but people have made such theories - among many others related to both the Giganticus Lupicus and the Elder Dragons - on the various fan forums. And I've never seen the term "fish bone" been used before and I've been around on both Gurus and GWO for a while now (and have looked through many old threads), and the closest I've seen is assumptions that they were amphibious based on the tusked skulls - I also highly doubt that the tusked skull is fish-like. It looks closer to a Mammoth's to me personally. And I'm not sure what attitude you're referring to. Personally I find the "no speculation" rule silly and can't help but rebuke some things - I just limited myself and thus didn't go into as much detail as I could, purely due to the rule. -- Konig / talk 14:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As for the rest of it... it really doesn't matter. I concede that this is for article discussion, I can't argue that, and not speculation, but might I point out that if this is the case, then you have the same attitude towards others who speculate.
 * "I am the only one who has demonstrated my resoning..."