Feedback talk:Skill update previews

This is the central feedback page for Skill update previews. This page and its subpages are the only place to provide feedback on update previews that the Live Team can use. If your feedback is about a specific preview, please use one of the subpages. Skill update previews


 * Preview archive

Better late than never
This page is a fulfillment of a promise made to the community by Linsey back in August. While it is late in coming, it is here now. I hope the community utilizes the talk pages to discuss the proposed changes. -- Wyn  talk  01:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks
 * I just want to know if we should bother even speaking here, they have the test krewe. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's up to you to judge. I'm not sure why Regina would be posting this not only here but also on Guru if they didn't want community input outside of the Test Krewe. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps to mollify the ravening hordes of disgruntled users?--TahiriVeila 21:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I know this skill update is mainly meant to address some GvG skills, but man oh man, would be a godsend to have the August dagger buffs fixed too. The last six months of sway metas in HA with R/A's have been a slow poison killing what little life was left in the format. Zen` 21:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So not only have we been given the gift of a new little battle field for people to insult each other on, we have a caste system for feedback. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikifiying the update previews
Should we bring these update previews more inline with the game updates in how they look on the wiki? I have created an example User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/preview. -- Wyn  talk  04:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a version to show what you modified? I don't see where you got that information from. Maybe I'm just stupid right now, it is rather late. Your version looks good, but I'd like to see the alternative for comparison. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Feedback:Skill update previews/20100125 Mine is minus the first sentence, which of course would be left in it just didn't really need any wikifying..... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  05:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Definitely prefer your wikified version, much easier/clearer to read and looks more organized. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 05:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikified version. Easier to read and faster to find what you look for. --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 05:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do it! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

this page could be confusing
Although I think this is an important page and it's a good thing it's linked on the main page, It's a bit confusing cause here is talk about possible future changes, but the updates discused here are already done at the moment. The update can off-course be seen in the update-page, but cause that being a regular page bout all the updates (not only skillupdates) people could miss that point when they go directly to this page form the mainpage. My proposal is to add a line to each section stating something like" This preview has completly or partially implemented, see (link to update-page)" Akela Rumi 23:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think anyone looking at the dates of the previews would be able to recognize they are old. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  00:00, 18

April 2010 (UTC)

Time-frame
I think it would be better if Anet didn't release "expected time frames" for these updates. It's easier to just forget about the preview and be happy when it comes when we don't have projected due dates to look at. It gets pretty miserable sitting around and watching the fuse slowly get shorter and shorter, and of course there's the good chance that the time-frame is completely wrong and it's going to be delayed, which makes it even worse. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep...October 2010 now...dts720666 20:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Wait...
"Psychic Distraction – now interrupts any skill, not just spells..."

Shoot me if I'm wrong but didn't PD always interrupt any skill?

Next Preview
So any word on the next set of previews? with the warrior/rit being the 19th of feb and the mesmer the 23rd of april thats two months difference. Two months on is around the 20th this month are we gonna see another preview maybe? o: though tbh have not really been enough so far to judge timescale. Dinsy 13:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

This page is dead :/ is it still worth having a link on the main page for this?--189.135.211.144 07:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Mesmers
I guess somebody decided to archive my conversation, I am reposting it because I do not feel it has been dealt with to my satisfaction. I believe they are over powered and need to be further tested at by anet. Rogueonion 04:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be posted on the specific preview page, not here. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I never wanted a wiki account I leave it to the people who run this mess to fix that. I am just here to add my voice, if they dont make the wiki functional for the average user that is their problem. Rogueonion 04:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? It's posted quite clearly at the top of this page, as well as the links to the specific update talk pages. I'm just asking you to read what's in front of your nose, and follow basic instructions. I'm sorry if that is too difficult for you. Just don't expect anyone to respond to "your voice" if you aren't placing it properly. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  06:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * and this is why I hate people like you. Excuse me, I don't really care. I will keep posting this until it is noticed by anets devs. Rogueonion 07:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you continue posting it here, it won't be. If you have suggestions please go to Feedback:Getting started and create a Feedback:User page, and then you can submit any suggestion you wish. If you are posting about a specific skill update preview, use the specific page. Since the most recent update preview was implemented on May 21st, the most appropriate place for your "feedback" would be Feedback talk:Game updates/20100521. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogueonion, while I happen to agree with your sentiment about Mesmers, there is a right way and the I'm a vandal way. Wynthyst is trying to bring Order to Chaos. Since I have been talking about OP mesmers in my Alliance, people already feed back my comments whenever I get started :D. Do the right thing. &mdash; Mar  [[Image:User_Mar_Master_Sig2b.png|19px|Talk ]] Master  23:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * and the point I am trying to make is, quite simply, I never wanted a wiki account, and I never wanted to have to figure this stupid website out. therefore since the only way I will be heard is here I will post where is most efficient for me, you move it where it needs to be, but if it gets archived ill just repost. Rogueonion 00:05, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This page has not been archived, nor does it seem you have posted here beore this section. Backsword 00:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback_talk:Skill_update_previews/20100423 Rogueonion 00:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Anet devs DO NOT read the wiki. you're wasting your time. and coming here and being rude to wyn is not the correct way to "voice" your opinion. 24.34.231.13 00:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a different page. it was archived while being nearly 400k large, when 32k is the comfor limit, and some browsers may break down at 100k, not to mention the strain on our servers. Archieving was the right thing to do, and not directed at any induvidual. Backsword 00:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * read following emails from guildwars,

Thanks for taking the time to write to us. We welcome feedback and thank you for sharing it with us. We will take this on board and pass it on to the design team for consideration, however, if you have specific ideas of what the exact changes you would like to see in order to balance the game to your own individual taste, please post it on the official wiki: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Main All the best, The Guild Wars Team

ello,

Please understand that we are not the programmers, the designers, or the guys that decide how much Energy a skill uses. We are the Guild Wars Support Team. We are here to support the game as is it designed. If you feel more discussion should be made regarding skill updates and changes, I encourage you to post your ideas on the Guild Wars Wiki at: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Main

You can post feedback, bug reports and suggestions, and the information is reviewed frequently by our Development Team. More information about how to set up a Wiki account can be located at:: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Getting_started

We will be unable to assist you with any discussion about skill balancing. Rogueonion 00:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * @backsword yes Thank you for explaining that, however my post wouldnt be archived if 50 people had not been telling me hex removal hex removal its fine blah blah, it is NOT fine, guildwars DOES need to do further testing regarding the indirect nerf of melee classes, and if people were not so spiteful and rude about it, I would not have to keep posting. Rogueonion 00:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a lot of "feedback" that is improperly placed on the wiki. I believe there is lack of clarity that causes this in no small part.  I've been playing since the beginning, and on this wiki (or it's predicessor) for most of that time...I still don't know how to "correctly" post feedback, and with my background, education, professional experience, and intelligence, that says a lot about a deficiency in clarity on the matter.  Since the beginning, documentation has not been a strong point for the game, and that was the founding principle of this wiki.  Players look here to; figure out what they are doing wrong, not doing right, get unlost, etc.  MANY couldn't care less about the wiki, it's format, nor anything else that does not directly resolve the reason they are here.  Nothing wrong with that, so long as they are respectful.  Players want to play, not read the wiki and learn all the associated formatting and proceedures of wiki-ing.  I stopped posting on the wiki for a long time following an encounter with an extremely rude, self-important and ignorant wiki admin who shall remain nameless...there's clearly a difference between a player and a wiki-er that is often overlooked in designing something so useful and potentially game-impacting, as this wiki.  It is a truly powerful tool with undeniable potential.  Players don't understand (and sometimes don't appreciate) the amount of voluntary work admins perform, admins go ape when something is posted contrary to format (or in my aforementioned case, contrary to their opinion).  We all play a big part in making the wiki as useful as it is, and if we want to include the player's contributions, we need to make it simpler to accept those contributiions.  Organized feedback can assist developers in making the game more enjoyable for all.
 * Rogueonion seems frustrated about not being able to reach the developers, and is apparently trying to make their point the only way they can find, without spending a few days reading to figure out where they should be posting. I don't think they are trying to be a "vandal", they just do not see where to post, and frankly they are not alone.  This page bears "feedback" in it's title, yet it apparently ins't a feedback page.  The feedback section of the wiki is a rather confusing area as well, and having tried to use it myself, I can see where a player might resort to "vandalism", tantrums, and the occassional urge to bite one's keyboard in frustration.  Perhaps the beaurocrats should look into the clarity issue without assuming ANY wiki experience, and see if there is a way to clarify and/or simplify feedback.  Possibly make a feedback tab for players to add comment/feedback/suggestion in a forum-like manner (with a definite set of rules) attached to the page directly (like the discussion, edit, history...tabs), a linked feeback page, or more concise directions and a more prominent, accessible method of allowing feedback to be posted without having as many "flames" or improperly placed feedback posts.  Certainly there can be a solution to what is apparently a large portion of improperly placed feedback. Gwynna Vive 12:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Remove?
out of date much.. :/ 18:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah this is pretty out of date now...71.194.87.164 00:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)