Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2007-12 bureaucrat election/Eloc Jcg

I'm amused, but this didn't really surprise me. You should note that the bureaucrat position is not a leader position. You don't control people or anything, that's a false assumption left over from GuildWiki where bureaucrats are leaders. On this wiki they are people who solve social problems between users. Tbh I don't think you're a social problem solver. ;) -- (gem / talk) 02:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, you'd be suprised how many social problems I have to solve in a guild of 100 members. Also, there's no harm in trying to run for bureaucrat, right? :D &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  02:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Gem I hope you don't think that being a leader involves "controlling" people either. Bureaucrats ARE expected to lead by example, if a user can't do this I don't think they should be made a bureaucrat. I think Eloc's mention of his position as a Guild Leader was more to point out he carries a position or great responsibility every day to give a context for how successful he is at that. Tbh Gem I don't think you're a good judge of character - or much else over Internet communication. I think Eloc acts with good intention in most of his edits and the current "ruling community" sets up all his bids to fail with comments like your one above. Anon
 * Eloc for president any day --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 05:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Anon, I'm not claiming to be the perfect human being, and I'm not running for the bureaucrat position since I'm very aware that I wouldn't be a good fit. You make this sound like it was some sort of a secret operation to fail Eloc or something that has a large group of wiki users behind it. I can assure you that it's not. And no one is saying that Eloc doesn't have good intentions. I very much agree with you that his intentions for this wiki are good and he wants the best for the wiki. Still, that doesn't change my opinnion on him being a bureaucrat. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 10:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Your opinion of him being a bureaucrat seems to be based off of a false misconception that they are not leaders, and that a leader controls people. I can think of at least one recent example where a current bureaucrat showed very poor judgement in a social problem. Like you, bureaucrats are not perfect, nor do they need to be. SystemisFlawed
 * Do you mind also telling us what example that would be? --Xeeron 14:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ++ - nothing's coming to mind for me either. Care to elaborate? Ale_Jrb  ( talk ) 23:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Found it. See LordBiros comment here. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 23:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You can consider that an ill-judged post if you like, but I do not. I'm not saying it was the most diplomatic thing that I've posted, but I'm not going to waste my time reasoning with someone when they have spent absolutely no time learning about the thing they are complaining about.
 * On another note, good luck Eloc. LordBiro 06:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not critisizing you Biro for that comment or I would have done so at the point of that discussion. And I hope you didn't aim that at me but SystemIsflawed. I was just pointing people to the one and only place where I've seen anything that someone could hold as non-diplomatic. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 09:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks LordBiro &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  10:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to add, GL to ya Eloc, I'll vote for yeh.  Vanguard 17:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck, Eloc. [[Image:User-brains12-sigicon5.png|Talk|14px]] br12  • (talk) • 17:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "You make this sound like it was some sort of a secret operation to fail Eloc or something" &mdash; lol &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  20:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm for Eloc... I think he earned it. Да браток? Мы за тебя! -- Anele Mea 21:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes Mgeladze? We for thee? :P &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  02:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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Yes, GL eloc! &mdash;Ebany Salmonderiel  19:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * GL Eloc, planning on voting for you, ab.be.rant, and Aiiene, now that i have my 100 editsKiller Revan 02:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice :) &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Eloc Jcg ! Greatings from Latvia ! You are the best)) so Im for you here !-(Good luck! and Happy New 2008 Year also )Cayleen Kyoko 22:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Given a little while longer, my vote might have been the opposite. I've come to respect your edits more as of late - elviondale  (tahlk) 02:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Maturity and Dealing with Conflict
Do you think you possess the maturity required of a bureacrat? If so, how do you demonstrated that? Have you been involved in any conflicts with users? If so, can you demonstrate or explain how you handled the situation? Would you describe yourself as a diplomatic user? 122.104.231.28 16:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. --- Ressmonkey (talk)  02:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He's had some conflicts before when trying to welcome someone but he was just trying to be nice.  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]]12:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at what hes done on PvX, then you will see hes no more mature than me =) --- Ressmonkey (talk)  21:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What, vote? That's all I've done is vote and post the odd build. Also, a bureaucrat position isn't based on how much you can rate builds. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  21:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Voting without good explanation. If you look through people's voting history (which u cant), I bet you will have the most percentage of removed ratings, if you dont include people with no contribs. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  21:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That matters cuz of? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 22:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See now ur just messing it up. The purpose was to annoy him with useless information that has nothing to do with teh matter at hand while I get more contributions and I get Eloc mad enough to do something immature, but asking that question just messes everything up, so now we'll never know if hes really immature at heart. Learn to read minds before hitting the save page button, jeez (/sarcasm). ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  22:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * just what i was thinking, thought u could get away with that so easy did u? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 22:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, why shouldnt I be able to? --- Ressmonkey (talk)  22:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As do I. There's a difference between maturity / leadership qualities and the quantity of one's edits. When Eloc gains some hummility perhaps he'll be a good candidate. --BlueNovember 01:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * what? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 01:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Cmon, stop messing up the "Get Eloc to be annoyed" thingy... Anyways, I dont really get what this person is talking about anyways.  Could be because I dont know what humility actually is... ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  01:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me explain (because this has to do with a research project I'm doing). You know how the skill Signet of Humility prevents you from using your elite skill? And how the skill Price of Pride makes you pay a price for using your elite skill? Can you thus know the meaning of humility knowing that these two skill names are what they are for a reason?&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 01:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * humility is when u throw hard things at a guy and then 10 of your friends begins to throw things at him too and everyone else laughs--Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 01:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, like in Monty Python: Life of Brian. Where the people get stoned and its funny.  And its not like crazy psycopathic killer funny, its just funny.  Go look at it on youtube. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  01:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Back to the original topic, I think that recent "rant" on Ryudo tipped me toward oppose. Maybe another day Eloc, when you've proven conflict resolution abilities that is satisfactory or above par in the eyes of the rest of the wiki.  Calor  &mdash;  talk  01:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I understand Eloc getting fed up with someone who not only got pissed off at a friendly welcome, but persisted for a long time in harrasing him for the template...everyone is overreacting to this...too bad the timing of this event was so terrible for ElocKiller Revan 01:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh well, suppose I'll wait like a month to the next election, lol. &mdash;  ク   Eloc  貢  04:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * sorry. no nice Coran Ironclaw 04:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * May I please ask what that has to do with GWW and not GW? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  04:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with GWW, but everything with maturity at least. Better luck next time Eloc. Erszebet 11:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Respect for policy?
Users who care little for policy or others are not suitable for administrative positions, imo. My experience with Eloc(mainly dealing with his policy violations and rudeness on PvX) indicates to me that he does not have the requisite respect for policy and other users. --Edru viransu 02:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats kinda what I was trying to say, but failed at doing :). --- Ressmonkey (talk)  02:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Eloc has more idiots trying to bait him and giving him a hard time than any other user on this wiki. I don't think most of the users here would stand half a chance at doing as well at dealing with all the shit eloc has to put up with. Ryudo even came back here with the sole intent of taking him down, and all the people who said they respect him for coming back isntead of running away, take a look at his talk page edits, he was clearly getting involved in potential conflict situations trying to bait people, that's what he is, a griefer. 122.104.227.205 04:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I for one am not trying to bait him. I am simply expressing my experience with Eloc and why I think it means he would not make a good bcrat. --Edru viransu 04:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, you really think your message through 122.104. Gj :P &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  04:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to see the votes
If I had 100 edits (like, 60 normal edits in my 500+...) I'd certainly Support.  Vanguard 14:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I counted 94 for you. So close, yet so far...&mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  15:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone else counted 52 like two days ago. o_O. I did not make 40 changes in two days.  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]]17:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Eloc, but if anything, you would make a better administrator. -- Readem 23:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, np. I wass pretty sure I wouldn't win when i saw I was up against Aberrant. I think I'd make a better Sysop, but don't wanna feel like I'm soo desperate to be one by nominating myself...maybe if someone nominated me *hint hint* XD &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  02:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, kinda suprised, but next year i'll have enough edits to vote for you! :)---The gw fan 00:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)