Talk:Zaishen Challenge Quest

Heroes *do* get xp from these
There was a note "*These quests only give experience to your character, not your heroes." which I removed because my heroes level up when I accept zquest rewards. I tested with zbounty & zmission; to be absolutely thorough, please help me test with zcombat.--War_Pig5 05:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * None of the Zaishen Combat quests reward experience. --Silver Edge 08:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Either some nice bug or you happened to level your heroes some other time and didn't notice it. Mediggo 08:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed that a couple days ago one of my (lower level) heroes leveled after I turned in a ZQ. (I don't remember which one) Perhaps there is a level cap because I tried this a while ago with a fresh hero and it definitely didn't level up. Or there's a bug or they changed it? — Rith Ignite Arrows.jpg 05:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never had trouble leveling heroes with Z-mish or Z-bounty. Of course, it's hard to tell how much xp a particular hero has when you turn in the quest. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The first time, I tried with a new hero, so it should have had no experience. If they get the same amount of experience from quests and have the same leveling system as players, then I'm sure that it didn't work for me that time. — Rith Ignite Arrows.jpg 19:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comfirmed, my Zhed leveled up from 19 to 20 from accepting the rewards to Z quests (screenshots in the links). --Silver Edge 11:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems there was a bug concerning heroes and experience from Zaishen Challenge Quests that was fixed in Feedback:Game updates/20100118. --Silver Edge 09:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Zquest is not available when the same one was completed yesterday
24 hours ago I completed a certain zmission that I had in my log since the last cycle and accepted the reward. Now, that same zmission is not available to me at the zmission signpost. (I had an empty zmission slot, of course.) I'd like to gather more data on this phenomenon for further research. --War_Pig5 06:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

had the same problem....I had arbor earthcall in my log until 3 days ago...I finished it on a few characters (turned in the reward--3days ago) and when he came up again 1 day ago---I was not able to get the quest! I also had a few characters that had finished the quest the day before arbor came up again, they werent able to get the new one for him either. Not sure what's going on with this Cosyfiep 17:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * did you retrieve rewards when quest had been offered again already ? Notes are saying you can't get quest again if you still have it in your quest log (whether you completed earlier or not). Elephant 17:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Just got ripped off of the 3 silver coins from Imperial Sanctum. Turned it in some 3-5 days ago. You guys think it works like the decaying flag on the treasure chests? Complete it ~30 days ago and you can't take it again? -- JadeWarrior 16:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Reduction of unnecessary editing
See Talk:Main_Page/activities. -- Itay Alon 19:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Predictions
There has recently been an edit war conflict on whether to include a few days of predictions to the list. A couple of benefits of this are that users can check what's going to be featured the next day or the day after that and that users don't have to be on the gun at 1600 UTC to update the list. Some downsides are that the predictions might change, and that people tend to only look at the top of a list to see what the daily quests are.

I don't believe those negatives are enough to warrant removal of a few days of predictions. The predictions are pretty stable, and with only a few days listed, any changes by ANet due to an update will be corrected quickly and won't affect things for long. Poke's change to the line coloring would address the second issue (look for the green line). --JonTheMon 21:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 22:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd first prefer to see if poke can come up with any ideas for a better display method... I saw him mention something about pulling the data from other tables but I didn't quite get the specifics... I'd also like to see a consensus first on how far ahead the predictions should be displayed. I personally see no reason for more than 3 days ahead (I didn't like the latest attempt). -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 23:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I really like knowing what's ahead, so I can plan accordingly. I'd rather not have to check both this page and the prediction page every day. Please keep predictions on this page in some manner.


 * I also don't know how useful seeing the previous weeks' zquests are, I can't take them anymore, so why would I need to see what I can't get for the longest period of time? Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Jupiter.jpg|19px]] 00:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think 3 days would be sufficient. It isn't too many, but it does give tomorrow, the day after, and 1 buffer day. --JonTheMon 13:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Question(s): Based on my previous ideas with these tables, let me ask some questions. How many days do you want to see, what is exactly useful? How far do you want to see in the future and how many do you want to see from the past? Do you still need the Zaishen Coin sum (I doubt anyone was able to do every ZQuest since release..), and do you actually even need the ZCoin display at all? poke | talk 18:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Zcoin display: Rarely even look at them, and wouldn't need them at all If these - Two pages were merged or swapped and their link more clearly hinted at Z-coin info... hth -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 18:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see perhaps two weeks in the future, and the current quests. I don't need anything from the past, but the previous day would be fine. I don't need the day's coin total, but I like seeing the individual coin totals even if I already have a basic idea of what they are by now. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Jupiter.jpg|19px]] 19:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think 3 days in the future would be fine, since 2 weeks would push the current day down too far. One option that would be neat to have would be rows that hid themselves if they were too old/too far in the future. Like, an automatic archiving/predicting, but using a lot of hidden data. --JonTheMon 20:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 7 days, imo, and the page would get updated on Monday. - Reanimated X 20:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, [ this] is a quick layout of what I was planning. The table will be fully automated, displaying always two (or any number) quests of the past, the current quests and 10 predictions. There will be no update needed (except when the cycle changes) and the Main page will receive the information in a similar way.
 * Further all archives or tables we have will be trashed. Instead of archiving every day, we will consider the fact that the quests are cycled and only document the cycles. So when a cycle changes, we simply archive that one and document when it was in use. In addition, we can easily put a calendar-like table to the side of the cycle (as shown in the second section of the link), where one can (more or less) easily look up which quest was active on what day. poke | talk 21:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't suppose I could request some thin vert borders in the table format? ...sandwiching the current day to make it stand out a bit better from the predicted ones? ...lemme know if I'm being too picky :p... -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 23:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I say yes, we need to update it, because doing nothing will change... nothing. -- Itay Alon 13:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Any progress on automating this? Manifold  18:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Team Arena quest
Still shows up in the log but doesn't take up a "space":



Might be worth noting? -- Gah_  16:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto for Hero Battles, for what it's worth. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Jupiter.jpg|19px]] 17:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Its probably since those arenas have been removed, they no longer effect your questlog cap. No idea why someone would hang onto a unneeded quest like that, but it might be worth noting it for documentation purposes.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 16:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Have people stopped bothering?
Hasn't been updated in 2 days. Or does it expect us to just look at the predictions?--  anguard  19:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess most people don't worry with this page since the main page is being updated.--[[Image:User Pyron Sy sig.png|19px| ]] Pyron Sy 20:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, i look here quite often, to see what come next and to plan accordingly, especially when looking to clean up missing bonuses from missions or when i can't do every quest, so i know wether i want to give up and accept the new one, or forgo the new and do the old later. Aurion 22:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

New table format
Why does the new table format show the past 3 days? How many people have a reason to need that information? All past information should be shown on an archive page that shows things that have occurred in the past. This is how every other page works. A change like this is normally done after discussing it. Where is the discussion of this change? --24.45.47.32 18:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this was discussed somewhere, at least briefly, but I can't find it. Anyway, I'm fine with it as it is. The main reason this sort of stuff isn't discussed to great length before it is implemented is that there are (this is a wild guess) about four people on this wiki who know how this works to its fullest extent, of which poke is the only one actively involving himself in the matter. Since we can't really come to a broad consensus when we don't understand how things work, it's way easier to discuss these things after an example has been made. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 19:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It was discussed here and I didn't like having previous day's quests either. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 19:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see a discussion of past quests there. All I see there is a discussion about adding the predictions.--24.45.47.32 03:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Why does the new table list the wrong date for today's quests (I assume all other dates are off also)? Shows August 16th for quests available on 15th: Ruins of Surmia, Duncan the Black, Fort Aspenwood. &mdash; The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.222.240.210 (talk) at 05:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC).
 * See Talk:Daily activities, I'm working on it. poke | talk 06:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Daily activities seems to have been fixed due to a recent change, and I made a similar change to this article.--War_Pig5 12:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Weekend Events
Do they synchronise the weekend events and zquests? Because this weekend is Codex Arena weekend... And it would be awesome to take the Codex Arena zQuest too then... &#91;&#91;Xzabre&#93;&#93; 10:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No. Weekend events are on a predictable cycle and zquests are on another. Given how few choices there are for zaishen combat quests, it's inevitable that weekend events are going to overlap. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Fairly new to GW so looking for Information.
I've only been playing GW for a few months and only recently discovered the Zaishen Missions, Bounties etc. So. Could anyone explain to me if I Take a Zaishen Mission or bounty quest. Do I have to complete it and hand it in before the quest changes the next day to be able to take the following days quest? Or would I be right to assume that as I can have 3 Zaishen quests active at a time I could still get the following days quest even if I have not completed or handed in the previous days quest. I ask this because I used to play World of Warcraft where Daily quests once reset are no longer available. Tho You can hand in a daily quest the following day you are then not able to take the quest for that day. --92.18.235.81 13:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC) --Silver Edge 22:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * you're only able to accept the quests @ one day.. but you're able to complete it and get your reward whenever you want. --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 14:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Once the quest is in your log, you can complete it at any time. The only thing that would prevent you from taking the next day's quest would be if you reached the 3 quest limit. Also, the limit is only for that type of quest. So you can have 3 missions, 3 bounties, and 3 combat quests in your log at the same time. The only quests that have expiration dates are festival quests, which are removed at the end of the celebration.--[[Image:User Pyron Sy sig.png|19px| ]] Pyron Sy 14:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That information can already be found on the Zaishen Challenge Quest page: "Please note that, although you can finish them whenever you like, your Quest Log can only hold up to three of each type of Zaishen Challenge Quests."

Thanks for all the replies. --92.18.234.157 11:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

the table
Zaishen vanquishes need to be added to the table... someone who is more wiki skilled then i should add it.- Zesbeer 00:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Augury instead of Riverside?
-> Can this new update be the reason why yesterday's/today mission was augury rock instead of riverside province? It can still be taken. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.16.204.17 (talk &bull; contribs) at 12:32, 4 March 2011  (UTC).

Out of alignment
The zaishen quests are out of alignment. Today is the 5th, and the zquests listed for today happened yesterday, and today's are listed for tomorrow. --Musha 05:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, looks like Zaishen Vanquish will give out variable coin amounts. Today's is only 50 coins.NachosWitCheese 22:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

0 Coins for Vanquish
-> The table is displaying 0 coins for yesterday and todays vanquishes in the table. I don't know how to fix it but someone needs to. Bobius 17:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks okay to me. Try refreshing the cache. (You can find a link to do that here). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For me it also shows zeros for yesterday and today 74 + 70 + 175 + 0 = 319 and 100 + 70 + 350 + 0 = 520 - I've purged both this article page, as well as the Daily Activities. 66.170.212.17 17:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fairly certain I fixed it. The values weren't set for the two most recent vanquish variables. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 18:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, all in place now :) thanks 66.170.212.17 18:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, FB (nice detective work!) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Request for Moving
For naming consistency since Zaishen quest currently overlaps (and vaque) due to vanquish, similar to Costume Brawl disguise and others. --Falconeye 20:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Example(s):
 * Zen Daijun (Zaishen quest) —> Zen Daijun (Zaishen Mission quest)   Zen Daijun (Zaishen mission)
 * Fendi Nin (Zaishen quest) —> Fendi Nin (Zaishen Bounty quest)   Fendi Nin (Zaishen bounty)
 * Fort Aspenwood (Zaishen quest) —> Fort Aspenwood (Zaishen Combat quest)   Fort Aspenwood (Zaishen combat)
 * Traveler's Vale (Zaishen vanquish) —> Traveler's Vale (Zaishen Vanquish quest)   Traveler's Vale (Zaishen vanquish)
 * I'm against this. There's no Zen Daijun (Zaishen Bounty quest). For those cases in which explorables have the same name as an associated mission, the current convention already distinguishes them just fine: Raisu Palace (Zaishen vanquish) is unlikely to be confused with Raisu Palace (Zaishen quest) (since quest and mission are incorrectly, but commonly used by players to mean the same type of thing).


 * If we are worried about naming confusing, a simpler (and less labor-intensive) solution would be to rename only the missions to e.g. Raisu Palace (Zaishen mission). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * i see the reasoning behind changing it but don't care enough either way.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 07:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the renaming to mission|bounty|combat|vanquish (no "quest" at the end) makes sense. The only problem might be if someone manually enters "_______ (Zaishen quest)" into the search box and nothing comes up, but I don't think that's likely to happen often. As long as all the links point somewhere sensible, it should be fine. -- Hong 08:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I am strongly against this! Only mission and VQ would be confusable, and even then, looking into the quest description itself would remove that confusion. ~Gilliam Bluestaff, Legendary Guardian 22:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm against moving these pages. We try to keep the disambigs as simple as possible, and Zaishen Quest is a very simple classification for the quests. --JonTheMon 17:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)