Talk:Bunny Thumper

imho, this article should keep it's stub status pending formal build policy.--Drekmonger 04:10, 11 February 2007 (PST)

IAS is term mostly used in conjunction with Diablo 2, I believe. I'd prefer it be called attack rate boost/increase, with a redirect from IAS.--Drekmonger 04:18, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * No, everyone in gw uses it. [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]]Blastedt GuildWiki page 09:54, 11 February 2007 (PST)


 * I'm fairly certain it's not a term commonly used in the PvP community, and certainly a newer player wouldn't have heard of it. Everyone minus PvP players and newbies = Not Everyone--Drekmonger 15:00, 11 February 2007 (PST)


 * I've always heard it called IAS, AFAIK it's the most common term used for it. I actually originally learned it from hearing it all the time on TGH and guides on GuildWiki.  It's definitely a proper PvP term.--Fanha 11:06, 13 February 2007 (PST)


 * I was a stat nerd for Diablo 2, so I still use IAS.. haven't really heard other people say it though. --Narcism 07:01, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Aren't they called Bunny Thumpers, or has the term changed and favoured for the shortened version?Arcad1a 09:48, 11 February 2007 (PST)


 * We can set up a redirect from Bunny Thumper, and include that trivia in the article. Mostly, these days, I hear hammer rangers referred to as Thumpers.  Anyone think differently?--Drekmonger 09:51, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * I think the page should remain as Thumper, with a redirect from Bunny Thumper. "Thumper" is used much more commonly, from my experience.--Dirigible 15:08, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * Btw, if anyone knows where the term "bunny thumper" comes from, that would be an interesting detail for the article. I want to say lulu the monk coined it, but I don't know.
 * Well, Thumper the bunny was a character from the Bambi movie. Not sure if that's connected at all or not though. --Dirigible 16:24, 11 February 2007 (PST)


 * I'm pretty sure one of the BoA girls named it that, as they and SNA were the first people to really run the build seriously. I'll try to get ahold of Talla or Digi and see.  Maybe Race Bannon or Cloud would know too, I'm pretty unsure if SNA actually used them in their pet build.--Trevor Reznik 17:24, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * Nope, I'm wrong-the BBQ GOTW page talks about thumper bunnies. Folks in #gwp were saying Izzy and Kar named it that, I'll talk to Kar about it and possibly get Izzy confirmation.  --Trevor Reznik 17:24, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * Yeah-Kar/Kriegar confirmed Izzy came up with the name shortly after launch. Still need his word on it, but hopefully someone in IRC or Alliance chat can get that.--Trevor Reznik 06:41, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Screwed this up
Trying to move it around. Wonderful, and probably a bad idea to begin with.--Drekmonger 05:08, 13 February 2007 (PST)
 * That was a pretty weird one. :P Fixed, I think. Took me a bit to find a way to do it but it seems ok now. --Dirigible 05:29, 13 February 2007 (PST)
 * Thank you very much.--Drekmonger 06:05, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Do thumpers really have that low of armor? If they're using TF and not rampage as one, they can keep up the +10 AL while in stance armor to have better armor than hammer warriors wearing +energy. (70+10 vs 80)
 * 70-80 is low compared to warriors and paragons ^_^ --Narcism 11:16, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Another type of thumper that I have seen in RA is the Heal as one thumper. Saves on the pet res and a good self heal. I think it needs a mention!


 * Meh, doesn't sound that great, why not just bring a warrior with healsig? A heal as one gets run as one and tiger's fury, those are poor &mdash; Skuld 07:45, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * "Occasionally other elites are used, such as Heal As One, blah, blah, and blah. These variations are not common, and may not as effective as the more canonical versions seen in organized play." --Drekmonger 08:25, 14 February 2007 (PST)

=Article Title= Why is it Knockdown/Thumper? Nobody calls this build a Knock down/Thumper, only Thumper and possibly Bunny Thumper. Suggest renaming it to Thumper. --Vindexus 08:37, 14 February 2007 (PST)
 * I think it's just the fact that builds should be subarticles, as opposed to article themselves. I AM in favor of moving this to the Pressure/Thumper section :D.. Anyone agree? --Narcism 08:39, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * Good idea. @vindexus. The build is call "Thumper", Knock down just happens to be the article I proposed it be attached to as an example build.  Pressure probably makes more sense.--Drekmonger 08:41, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * I disagree Narc, but that's mostly my stance on the Build policy that has yet to be decided on. --Vindexus 08:54, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * Knockdown/Thumper is a poor name, what was the problem with Thumper? --FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.gif]] 17:45, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * It is Thumper. It just happens to be in the knock-down directory.  Narcism suggested moving it to pressure, where it would be Pressure/Thumper.  But it is probably best just to wait for final build policy before moving it around again.  It was mildly stupid for me to move it in the first place.--Drekmonger 17:48, 14 February 2007 (PST)

I don't know how, so can someone else rename this to "Thumper"? --Vindexus 21:57, 27 February 2007 (EST)

=Does this sentence belong in varients?= As an extreme and uncommon variant, the hammer can be substituted for another weapon, such as a Scythe or Daggers. While not technically thumpers, these melee rangers have many of same capabilities and play in a similar fashion."

I was think of the rangers running around with Rampage as One and scythes. Fairly effective, and I've seen it occasionally in both Halls and HvH. Common enough to maintain inclusion?--Drekmonger 08:49, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * Mention Spears too. Just don't make a SCYTHE THUMPER page. :) I like your sentence and how it's added. --Narcism 08:51, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * oo, forgot spears. I have seen some brutal R/P builds, though not often.--Drekmonger 08:55, 14 February 2007 (PST)
 * I think the common term for R/Ds with scythes is "Thrashers", R/Ps "Packhunters" (even though not entirely sure about this one), and have only seen R/A with daggers in Random Arena, not sure what they would be called.--Dirigible 08:58, 14 February 2007 (PST)
 * Yeh, R/P is "pack hunter" after the premade from the first nightfall preview premade, I don't know if R/D has a name but i've always known them as "scythe bunnies" &mdash; Skuld 10:03, 14 February 2007 (PST)
 * Scythe=Bunny Reaper, Spear=Pack Hunter because the Bunny X does not come out well for it. R/A doesn't really have a name because no one gives a crap about them.  Pack Hunters have fallen in popularity after a couple of nerfs to their major skills, but during the preview events they ran rampant.  Very few people know what skills work on a Bunny Reaper, but they definately work.   The reason R/A don't really work is because assassins aren't about spamming skills.  Assassins are about well timed and powerful combos.  They really need the utility to do their job.  The slots taken up by a pet destroy them.  It is things like shadow stepping and feigned neutrality use that has made assassins good.  R/W with sword and axe are unpopular because the sword and axe energy skills tend to suck. The key to a thumper variant is 1-2 strong spammable energy skills, like irresistible blow and spear of lightning. -Warskull 13:25, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Attribution of Name
I don't think we should put who coined the title of the build. It will only cause problems with future builds. Anyone agree? --Frvwfr2 08:24, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * People don't need to know why it is called a thumper. They just need to know what a thumper is and how to play one. -Warskull 13:00, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Suggestion -> Pressure Thumper
I think we should associate this build with a playstyle/build style, not a game mechanic --Narcism 09:58, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Move
Obviously, this needs moving. I suggest Bunny thumper, as we usually use full names on the article itself, and redirect shorter versions. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Backsword.
 * agree. who else? - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px]] 12:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As "Bunny thumper" is the common name for that, yes. poke | talk 13:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Does this work in PvE?
I'm thinking of making a PvE bunny thumper, but I don't know if it will be viable. Any ideas? Silver40596
 * as long as you remember to put in block, heal and other defense stuff, it's a perfectly viable pve build. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 18:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * you might, though, consider using an axe and pick up Cyclone Axe and Whirlwind Attack instead of a hammer. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 18:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thrashers
never heard that, do people really call scythe-wielding rangers 'thrashers'? --Lytel 14:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the note for two reasons. One, I have never heard a scythe-wielding ranger referred to as a "thrasher". Second, the skill notes were incorrect as RaO is almost never used with a scythe ranger and chilling victory isn't seeing play after the July 10 update. Psychiatric Consultant  19:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

DP
Why does this page say that pets accumulate DP? I have read several times before on this wiki that they do not. Can't test it out atm. Harrier 18:00, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Pets accumulate DP in PvP. King Neoterikos 10:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)