User talk:Gaile Gray/Archive Misplaced Articles and So Forth/July - Dec 2007

This article contains archived materials from the User: Gaile Gray discussion pages. This Misplaced Articles and So Forth category contains questions or comments, such as bug reports or support issues, as well as a few other misplaced comments or questions. Please remember to submit support matters to our Support Team and if you wish to follow up or discuss the matter, use the Support issues page.

MappingOut
May the Light shine on you, Gaile. I'm Aylee Sedai and all I'd want is to drive your attention on this GW tools: MappingOut "". It's currently used by lots of GW players, spread all over the world, but I think many people still don't know it. It's (by people saying) very useful, simple and FREE. Maybe, pointing it out in the official community would give it more visibility! May the Light protect you, Aylee Sedai --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:213.156.52.116. 12 July
 * If she started doing that, more people will come and ask here, and then even more and even more. ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]] 21:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I read Kurd's reply and I have to admit he is totally right! I would have deleted my message, if only I would have been able to do it -_-... Thanks Kurd, I didn't think at a so simple thing... my fault. Thanks again! By Aylee

Question, Possibly Copyright Issues
Hi Gaile. I was wondering if you could contact me on my Talk Page please. I don't really want to discuss it here, I would rather by e-mail personally, but, I don't want to give my e-mail out in public either. Hehe.

The subject of our discussion is about images that Guild Wars Wiki contains that I may want to use, but I am wondering if it is a copyright issue and if I am allowed to use them or not. Thank you very much for your time. --Nweasel 17:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All your answers can be found here Guild Wars Wiki:Copyrights. -- Lemming64 17:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Not sure if it would be relevant to you, but there's a small discussion pertaining to possible copyright issues with certain images here. There's also some information about the copyrights used on the wiki here. Hope that helped! --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You will probably find your answer about the use of our assets, including copyright images, in the Terms of Use. The wording leans towards those making fansites, but the rules that govern a fansite operator also apply to an individual player. That is, images must be used suitably (definition clear on that page) and cannot be used in any profit-making venture without written permission. This applies to profit primarily to you, or secondarily to others, such as a website that manufactures merchandise with our logos or other copyright assets.
 * If you have questions, you may write to community@arena.net. Allow a few days for a response. Thanks. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 17:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What is that?
- cool but they are on International distr and doesn't works... it's special districts for testers or what? -- Grethort 05:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an error -- something we've been experimenting with on the Development Server, but nothing that was meant to be placed on the Live Server. If you notice, when you try to join any of those districts, you get a disconnect. We'll want to tidy up that interface, for sure. Sorry for the confusion. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem - just wanted to explain :) -- Grethort [[Image:User Gret Chii.jpg]] 06:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I Got Scammed
Someone was running me thru Sanctum Cay and failed 2 times and wouldn't give me my payment back --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:216.23.53.114.
 * Well, go to GuildWars.com and report him. I don't believe that Gaile has the ability to just ban someone if the proper procedure isn't taken. I know she COULD, but that just isn't fair. :)[[image:ranger-icon-small.png]]Blackie ewilson92 01:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You payed up front? That's just asking to be scammed. - Auron 01:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've payed up-front before. It's not asking for it. It's just showing respect and trust toward your fellow players. Besides, if they scam you, then they get scammed 7 times. If you do something nice, then you get something nice 10 times in return.[[image:ranger-icon-small.png]]Blackie ewilson92 01:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever you say. - Auron 01:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Minipet Glitch
I was wondering if you knew why this glitch occurs. If you could tell me that'd be great :). Yea, go ahead and move the topic I know somebody will. --- Raptors
 * look here - 75.75.148.44 17:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it happens, I wanna know why --- Raptors
 * if we knew it wouldve been in the article =P - 75.75.148.44 17:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I figure Gaile would know since she loves minipets so much and because she works for Anet, thats why I posted it here so I could get an answer from her. --- Raptors
 * It's ok to post here on this, because I would not have seen it on the subject page. (Or you can put the question there and ask me here to take a look, as you wish. I may move this there after we have the info in place.) Anyway, about that glitch: I know it happens, is harmless, and can't really be turned on or off -- it just shows up once in a while. But I don't know: Is it certain maps? Certain minis? (The Thorn Wolf that you show is one I've not seen with the name/level flag before.) Does it happen in certain districts, certain territories, or during certain phases of the moon? :) :) The other day I was in Kamadan chatting with players when I saw a mini that I did not recognize. I tried like mad to make the little name flag pop up, but of course you can't call it up, it just happens once in a while.
 * I'm going to talk to John, I think, who's my go-to guy for items, and I think although it's rather cold to call them this, the miniatures fall into the "item" category. I will get back to you when I have some information -- it's an interesting little puzzle. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 18:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply Gaile :). I'll be looking forward to seeing what you find out. --- Raptors
 * The answer to this eludes us all! John said it might be related to individual miniature species or the codes associated with them. He referred me to Curtis or Andy. Andy said he had no idea, but knew that QA was investigating it and was unable to repro (reproduce) it to determine what causes it. Curtis remains silent. Well, ok, in all honesty, Curtis is on vacation this week, so I guess it's ok for him to not chime in yet. ;) I'll ping him next week when he gets back from whereever-he-is, and maybe will have info on this at that time. We all know it's not a big deal, but these little no-harm, no-foul bugs are sort of fun to try to figure out. :) --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea thats why I wanted to find out. This little thing has always made me wonder and now I know a little bit more about it. Thanks Gaile. :) --- Raptors
 * This have happend to me like 2-3 times.. i think it's kind of cool, cause my Mini kirin got a party of 8 once.. even tho i wasen't in a party :o . (Teo / talk) 22:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Crossover
Hey gaile i was wondering does Ncsoft/arenanet Guildwars support crossover for mac (ability to run gw on mac osx) or is it aganst the eula, thanks! - Chrisworld 06:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read of many people using emulators and other means to port Guild Wars to alternate Operating Systems and so forth. I have never known the company to action the account of someone using an emulator that allows him or her to play the game on a different OS. We cannot support the emulators, but I do not think we oppose their use. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * *wink* *wink*, *nudge* *nudge*?[[image:ranger-icon-small.png]]Blackie ewilson92 16:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, what does that mean? --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * lol, it's like you are winking at him and nudging him. As if you were hinting at using the emulators. I was more or less asking if that's what you meant. :)[[image:ranger-icon-small.png]]Blackie ewilson92 23:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Bad at writing support letters
I lack the good writing skills to write a in depth promblem but i think someone here or you gaile could help me. normely guildwars runs fine for me and i have never had a problem with it, but right now i completed the mission where you go through the cave and defeat the hunger and bayel i decided to quit just before the load screen to the next area. so now i come back after dinner, and low and behold, apparently when i attempt to use my paragon it says that i have a grapic driver error, i would really like my charchter to work again. the error occurs when i choose my charchter and the error message occurs about 20 seconds of waiting on the load screen, if theres anyting i can do to fix this or anything anet can do to fix this that would be greatly apprieated.142.161.90.233 03:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, there. I'm really sorry to hear about your difficulties. One question: Have you updated your graphic card drivers lately? Beyond that, I think this truly is a support issue. Even what you have told me here would be a good start on a support ticket, so I urge you to fill one out. They can always ask you specific questions to dig deeper into the problem, but there is little that we (GWW members) could do, I feel, not having the right list of questions and possible resolutions at hand. So drop Support a line and let me know how it works out! --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

GW:EN Heroes
Gaile, could you please let us know what the English names for the Assassin, Ritualist, Paragon, and Dervish heroes are? The only thing we have currently is the Chinese approximation of their names (from the Taiwanese manual), and it's going to cause a LOT of confusion and misinformation if we don't have their proper English names. Thank you! (Also... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :D) Capcom 18:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, nevermind, we got them already. lol :) Capcom 04:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Shields and Female Monks
Hey just a quick note to ask if anything is going to be done about the problems with certain shields and female monks. They never look right it's as if the shield isnt placed correctly and usually the arm shows through (i'm sure you've seen it, it happens with a lot of shields). The reason i'm asking now is because with the release of GWEN and therefore more shields, i'm hoping the same doesn't occur with them. -- ChronicinabilitY  09:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A lot of NF shields (mostly paragon I think) look really bad on female monks and female rits. Here are some examples (the aureate aegis is the least bad of them, and it's still pretty bad in game). There's a lot of clipping through the shield and many of the shields are placed too far to the rear of the character. I've posted a couple of examples in my user space. --Tankity Tank 10:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Even on a Paragon the Aureate Aegis has issues (though not clipping) : it simply floats in mid air 30cm away from my character’s left hand and that's kind of weird. On the other end, if you want to speak about clipping, let's talk about the warrior primeval armor: they should have made the left arm smooth and spike less. A friend of mine was really disappointed when spikes shown though his Exalted Aegis when he put on his newly bought endgame armor for the first time. Probably not the best page to discuss that though. Jaxom 11:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First, I need to ask that you please move the images to your own discussion page, or a discussion page related to the topic. For example, if you want to create an "Art Glitches" page, that's perfectly fine. But I asked another contributor the same request of moving the art off my page with the explanation that this is a very well-trafficked page and I need to keep it clear of extraneous images so that the pages don't lag and the archives don't explode.
 * We are approaching the point where art is pretty much complete for Guild Wars: Eye of the North. And between now and the time we release, I'm positive that no artist has the opportunity to fix previous chapter art; they will be focusing on art for GW:EN. Cleanup on such things may be possible in the future, but frankly it's not as high a priority as developing new content, so the artists may work on new content, or may work on older art, as they are assigned.
 * After release of GW:EN I will ask about the possibility of changing the art, but since that involves several individuals, from artists to animators, it may not be possible. Thanks for understanding (and for repositioning the images :) ). --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 17:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say about one thing, similar to described above... What is well known, there are problems with Guild Capes that collide with armors, I'd love to see it fixed in the near future. Moreover, many armors seem to have glitched models. For example, my Elite Druid's Armor looks ridiculousy while moving because of its vest behind character's legs... And, my character's hair - something absolutely horrible - while running, my character looks like somebody nodding very inpatiently. What is more, when you set the camera FAR behind and above my ranger, it's possible to see, err, the ground through his head. I don't mean zooming in! It just seems that my character has a hole stretching across his head. He's experienced, died many times etc., but I don't remember him getting a slash that could split his head into 2 parts ;) . MonkOfWar 19:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaile, those images are already in my user space - what I posted were thumbnail links. I've commented them out per your request. If the team ever gets around to fixing them it would be nice, right now I have ~8 perfect shields that I really like but can't use on my favorite pvp caster characters. --Tankity Tank 23:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do understand they were thumbnails and not full images. Thank you again for moving and commenting instead, except that the comment does not seem to be included on this page, and there do not appear to be working links to the images you wished to show? --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Click Click --Tankity Tank 22:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

ANet's Agent Mulder...
Hi Gaile,

I am not sure if you caught a glimpse of it or not, but this guy who claims he is a former ANet employee posted this thread on Guru. At first, the moderator closed the thread but left a link to the blog. I posted this thread asking them to either remove the thread or allow people to respond to those claims. They eventually removed the link from his original post. However, it is porpagating in PMs in-game and on guru right now because it was already there for about an hour for people to read.

I don't want to post the link to the blog here and help this loser's cause, so if you need a link to it, let me know, however, I think it's important to measure the effect of this kind of claim and respond to it. As it stand now, Guru's policy allowed him to make a claim unchecked and unreviewed. I also do not think that discussing those silly claims out in the open would hurt ANet. He makes preposterous claims that do not add up together but would suit every conspiracy theorist just fine.

Thanks. --Karlos 02:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * i found the link and will also provide it if someone is curious. i WILL NOT post it on any forum though. if you want the link, leave a message on my chat page (i dont believe that breaks any rules. if it does, dispell the illusion for me :3) if its fact or fiction i have no clue. i personally err on the side of fiction. i disagree with the supposed GW "deep throat"'s claim of the difficulty in getting gold (heck, i bought an armbrace for non dupe prices 2 weeks ago...) but i do like this type of thought. questioning ""the man"" is an important process. i also found the blog entry highly amusing, as i love conspiricy theroy's :) i think it was stupid for GwG to not delete the post. they should have left it open for discussion, or deleted it completely. just closing it opens what is happening now. decentrized discussion. if it is true, it personally would not affect my view of guild wars. like i said earlier, i dont have problems getting money. if a person wants to be stupid and risk there account buying gold, thats there decision. i wont do it, and thats my decision. Gaile, can we please have an area to discuss this information in a centrized way? -TehBuG-


 * I thought a lot of the content was laughable and illogical. But I want to say that just by linking that thread, it's very easy to find the link to the guy's blog. IMO, it's a fine example of Internet trolling. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The thread no longer has the link, Bex. --Karlos 04:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not what I said. The thread title is enough to find the link. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 04:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. Extremely easy to locate :D Doesn't this feel like it's another milestone for Guild Wars? Lol, GW now has its very own conspiracy theories! -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 04:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * here's the link for anyone who's interested. freedom of speech prevails once again. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 04:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

This is an entirely bogus piece, with so much misinformation and so many lies it would take me a week to refute them all. Suffice to say, this was absolutely and positively not written by a former ArenaNet employee, and virtually every assertion he makes is provably false. I think the only fact might be that "ArenaNet made a game called Guild Wars." ;) This is the second time that someone has posted an alleged "former employee blog," and both are equally ridiculous. (Oh, by the way, "Freedom of Speech" is not relevant here, for neither ArenaNet nor NCsoft is a government agency and it is the government that is constrained by the U.S. Bill of Rights. But it is a common misconception, and I bring it up only because the mis-citation is a personal hoodoo of mine, so you can ignore that comment. What you should not ignore, however, is the absolute fact that the blog is absolutely inaccurate and utterly without value. --Gaile 05:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * i used freedom of speech jokingly =P. i didn't even bother to read the article, definitly a load of bull. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 05:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And with that, you're offending a world's worth of bovines. ;) --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Be it truth, or lies, he does have some very valid points regardless. PvP is in fact, Player Vs Player ;). Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  05:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, actually I can't see any. Oh, you mean that the definition of PvP is accurate? Yep, PvP = player-versus-player. Goodness, let me update my scorecard: 1 right, 1001 dead wrong. ;) --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well we also knew ANet was run by Care Bears as they are the only ones who could make such an enjoyable game, we just didn't know who was who --User:Darak 06:25 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I am totally Cheer Bear, even if I think Share Bear is the better colour and I really like the sleepy eyes of Bedtime Bear and the tummy icon for...
 * Errrr... why are you looking at me like that? *grin* --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking Wish Bear for Emily and Champ Bear for Izzy. Thoughts? - Tanetris 13:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

That guy is clueless to say the least, IF a company needs more revenue they don't go to third party to do so and most certainly not in the way that will upset customers. Biz 06:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There are countless reasons as to why his post made no sense at all. I just wish people were able to point out those reasons and discredit him rather than freezing the thread, basically letting him have the last word and feed this underground current of suspicion. I guess it's an issue to bring with the Guru guys and their policy. Thanks for the feedback. --Karlos 07:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * He never mentioned they added hard mode so that they can make more money. I read it and I guess if he was doing it to get attention he got what he wanted but he is one bad employee so I am glad you fired him even though he never worked for Anet. -- Natalie Black [[Image:User_NatalieBlack_sig.jpg| ]] 16:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry Gaile, but there was more truth to the blog than you thought: "For all you know, I could be a rambling madman from outer space". :) Alaris 18:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hahahah I read this yesterday, and read it again today. And you know what I did then? I laughed. I laughed hard. This has GOT to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read. I really feel sorry for those who believe/believed it, because it's obviously not true. -- F enix 00:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Gwtruth@gmail.com added to spamsomeone.com B LASTED T  21:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And that helps how, exactly? Zweistein 15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * because it's funny. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 17:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

@ Gaile, if, as you claim, "virtually every assertion he makes is provably false", then go for it, sheesh.. &mdash; Skuld 19:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Gladiator Title
Perhaps you have fixed this already, but the glad title needs to be fixed now. People are pissed off beyond belief about Anet's "Screw-up". Just thought you might want to know. Also, the Euro/American Dis thing is awesome, though could be oragnized to a much greater degree. Readem  Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  03:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be presumptuous, but I expect ANet to fix this very soon... Talk:Game_updates/20070823 - elviondale  (tahlk) 04:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I am just the first to complain...once more ;). Readem   I troll you, you troll me.  04:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, this is my page, so I'm going to speak up: First, we seldom if ever need to be told when players are upset. Both Andrew and I were in the game for a few hours today, talking to players. Both of us were all over the fan forums -- we're reading them still, at 9:30 at night. Posting on my talk page in a situation like this to say "The players are upset" is like telling a jeweler "There are shiny things in your display cases." ;)
 * Second, there is nothing of value in being the first, second, or last to complain. When we're visibly aware of the problem, and when we say we're acting on it, complaining is beyond unnecessary, it's just wrong. I don't mean to sound rude or aggressive, but again, it's my page and I'm always going to be honest and direct here. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Gaile, unless I'm mistaken, at least one step was taken to correct this (Game_updates/20070823)? - elviondale  (tahlk) 04:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the problem has been corrected, as promised during the in-game visits and within the forum posts. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You are rude beyond comprehension Gaile, I just politely informed you of the problem. I could have said "You fucked up, fix it." but no. Instead I just told you what I heard today, and even complimented something you guys did :O. Instead of going on the defensive, just say "Ok, we have taken the problem into consideration, and a solution is on the way." Lrn2PR and stop rejecting valid information. Otherwise you are just proving me right, and everyone else defending you, wrong. Just being direct, and honest with you. Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  04:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Tbh Raeadem you have pissed off many people in this community and you treat no-one with any respect so you should expect none back in return. -- ChronicinabilitY [[Image:User Chronicinability Spiteful_Spirit.jpg|18px]] 05:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I don't respect people who cannot spell my name. Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * fail... But srsly, here isn't the place to fight. ‽-(eronth) I gi  ve up  22:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You are the only one who's beyond rude here in my opinion Readem, Don't forget Gaile and the rest of the A'net crew are just people like you and me... Updates take time and A'net has proven to be very accurate on solving bugs, exploits and mistakes. Demanding is a big nono, asking will get you a lot further ;-) It's a matter of mutual respect ;-) Wouldn't like to see these wiki pages become like Guru's flame threads =( Just my 2 cents --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 05:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Anet does a great job. They do the job yes, but great no comment. I did not demand, I simply want my Balth Fac Cap back at a reasonable amount. I understand she is busy atm (I give her that), but that does not excuse her to become unreasonably snappy imo. Our respect for each other, is limited on both sides. Guru does not get flame articles, as they get closed by bad mods in mere hours. Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * While trying to stay neutral, I can officially say that I have been sleeping on average between 6 and 9 hours each day for the past month. I'm going to venture a guess and say that she hasn't been so lucky and that 6-9 hours is about her weekly sleep ration.  Given the major preview launching in 2 hours and the next retail release in 7 days, cut her some slack.  She's been answering the same question on every site....  You're doing a great job Gaile. (I'll try to sneak this in before the next Edit ConflicT) - elviondale  (tahlk) 05:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * She is not working in a sweat shop in Cambodia, or at least not to my knowledge. Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Chill Readem. While I think you may not have meant any rudeness, but your very first sentence smacks of a very demanding tone; so depending on how you read it, it may not have felt like a "politely informed you of the problem". And in the same vein of thought as you, instead of going on the defensive and lashing back out so quickly, you could've just tried to clarify yourself first. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 05:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I admit, I have very little patience. Especially, when I was in no way trying to be rude, and am snapped back at in return. I understand she is busy, so busy in fact I am still trying to figure out why she wasted energy making a quip. Ty, for giving a semi-reasonable comment. Readem   Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments, the last chapter
So as to not clutter Gaile's page, I've created a page with discussion and an official petition regarding changes to HoM. Please take a look at it, add your thoughts, and sign if you agree. User:Elviondale/HoM Thank you - elviondale  (tahlk) 20:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have archived this earlier than I might normally do so because I am concerned that conversations are being redirected from my page, and the actual topic page, onto an individual user's page. While I appreciate the desire to focus the discussion, the discussion should be taking place on the Hall of Monuments page. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Gaile- I understand why you moved this, so don't fret. I do not wish to usurp anyone's authority, so please don't misunderstand what I'm trying to do.  Comments have been vigorous in coming and redundant in nature.  The majority of my page is pretty static with less debating and more people agreeing- the majority of which wouldn't expound for hours on all that they want.  People can banter all they want on the discussion page- I realize that that is its purpose, however they have come to mine to agree and rally behind one ideal.  I think that this would be a little neater and more impressive (persuasive even) to any dev team than 150kb of random people's input.  I've considered what other people have voiced, both in game, in my guild/alliance, and in the wiki to gather some common ideas which wouldn't be too hard to implement. I've tried not to spam anywhere and have only mentioned it 3 times on the wiki apart from my userspace, significantly less than the under/overpowered skills pages and the latest signature revision.
 * I've you've been following my posts or remember me at all, I'm usually the first one to stand up for you and anet in general. Its just that in most people's eyes (at least the vocal ones), HoM fell way short. This is especially disappointing, as this is what was hyped and awaited most.
 * Also- just wanted to tell you that everyone in Eye of the North D1 was chanting your name the last 10 minutes the EotN was live. It was actually quite remarkable. - elviondale  (tahlk) 07:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Paragon Community Needs Your Help
Gaile, the Paragon community at GWOnline.net is looking for an explanation for the recent nerf to "There's Nothing to Fear!". The doubling of the recharge timer has dramatically neutered the Paragon's PvE ability, and it is quite difficult to get into PuG's now. An adjustment to the Seed of Life nerf was already made; Paragons are hoping to bring the recast time back down to a more reasonable level like 15s.

In the past, you have posted the reasons the dev's had for skill balancing, but nothing was said about the TNtF or Seed of Life nerf. Could you check with them and get a 2-3 sentance explantion?

The GWO community has also come up with some great solutions/alternatives to the concern that x/P's (secondary Paragons) were abusing the skill. One involves adjusting the recast timer to 15 and then making the duration of TnTF equal to the number of points in Leadership. Or... adjusting the recast back down to 10 and then add "50% Failure at 4 Leadership or less." The latter suggestion seems to be more widely accepted.--Veraci 16:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a "community" and not a single person there can figure out why it was nerfed? Wow. --Deathwing 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You probably want to discuss this with Izzy, as he is in charge of skill balancing. --Thervold 16:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To be more exact, this is the place you want to go to. --Xeeron 17:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That is correct. Isaiah reads his pages frequently, and I know he welcomes your input on skills, so please do share with him there. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 18:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

A wiki dedicated to Guild Wars 2 suggestions
Gaile,

I notice even now that Guild Wars Wiki is showing a warning at the top of this page while I add this post: "WARNING: This page is 75 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." If you continue to use 'forum/discussion' formats for Guild Wars 2 suggestions, the content is going to become a mess and get out of control (look at this GuildWarsGuru suggestion forum for example).

The solution to this problem is simple: create an entire wiki dedicated to Guild Wars 2 ideas! And guess what? It already exists:

NikiWiki I don't know if you're part of the ArenaNet division that handles fansite requests, but I've been trying to get NikiWiki recognized by ArenaNet for several months now and I'm basically getting the cold shoulder (I never even got the opportunity to submit the official fansite request form - see the entire correspondence here). Seriously, NikiWiki is great! It's totally free (no ads, no donations); I'm not in it for any kind of financial gain. The site even employs the GNU Free Document License – that means any content players post is fully available to ArenaNet!

Let me throw an example out here to demonstrate the huge advantages NikiWiki has over posting suggestions in forum format. Take the idea that Ieldra had above titled "Character Log". I think most players would agree that it's a pretty good idea and you even seemed to think so. But how would you really know? What if the majority of the Guild Wars community hated the idea? Would you want everyone who had an opinion about the idea to write a little blurb after the post and say “I like” or “me no like”? Imagine how bloated and crazy this page would get if folks started doing that... just look at it already! Now check out the equivalent page on NikiWiki that I set up for Ieldra's idea:

Character log

It only took me a minute to post the article, and I just voted on it too! Now that the concept has an entire wiki page dedicated to it, people can use the “discussion” tab at the top to rave/rant all they want about the idea without mucking up the article at all. It even has a “Twists” section at the bottom that other users can post similar/spin-off ideas (I even added a quick one myself). These are just a few features that make NikiWiki far superior to any forum/discussion format for game suggestions. Please just browse around the site a bit and see what a wonderful job some players have already done submitting ideas and I think you'll understand. Wouldn't you agree that NikiWiki is the ideal environment for submitting Guild Wars 2 ideas? If you disagree, that's ok! I'd just really like to get a little feedback from the folks at ArenaNet. Thanks!

--Broken 02:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Why NikiWiki is a remarkably bad idea
Maybe I've committed a grievous infraction of wiki etiquette. Anyway, I archived the page. Spooky.

Now here comes NikiWiki. Again. Woo hoo. The vocal minority gets to vote and categorize, and basically design the game.

Let's say a.net jumped on the NikiWiki concept and said: "Om em gee. We will read this everyday.  Best thing evar." Then GW2 ships without an auction house, or any of the other top ten things on the NikiWiki. Maybe the top ten things on NikiWiki have nothing to do with the kind of game a.net wants to make? After all, don't game developer work insane hours to produce their vision of what a game should be?

While it's may be valuable to see what player experiences are, to hear player suggestions, I don't see any value to having a vote box on what suggestions should be implemented. That's just asking for trouble, begging for it really.

Plus, I could have 100 different people stuff the ballot box asking that DrekMongers be made a new race in GW2. Going the sockpuppet route, increase that by a factor of 1000. Or more. For this and other reasons, voting is a poor way to make nearly any sort of decision, really.

NikiWiki could be a fun thing. But instead of trying to foist it on to a professional game company, why not offer it to one of the thousands of amateur and open source projects that encourage heavy crowd participation? --Drekmonger 09:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Though you're entitled to your opinion, I think you've totally misunderstood the purpose of NikiWiki. Nowhere on the site does it say that the top voted items should be implemented into the game.  Voting on NikiWiki is merely a means of showing player interest in a particular topic.  That's why when you vote, you have the options "Like" and "Dislike" instead of "ArenaNet should implement this into GW2" and "I wont play the game if they put this in".  Think of it more like "digging".


 * Yes, I realize there is the potential for abuse with voting (though I could limit voting to registered users and if ArenaNet ever adopted something like NikiWiki, they could limit it to folks with player accounts only), however, you'd actually have a pretty tough time submitting 100's or 1000's of false votes - sorry, I already took care of the sockpuppet issue ;)


 * The whole purpose of NikiWiki is to simply organize people's ideas so they can be developed more thoroughly than on a blog/forum/etc. Do you think that any of the ideas that have been placed in the "archive" sections of this blog will receive any further attention, even by their creators?  Can you honestly tell me that you prefer to sift through a mountain of dribble (yes, what I'm typing is included in that definition) to see if there's a good idea or two in it?  I can't possibly imagine ArenaNet does...  maybe I'm wrong  :P


 * Yes, developers should be producing their vision of a great game. However, keep in mind that ArenaNet has stated in several articles that they are interested in player input - which is the sole reason why I developed NikiWiki.  At one point, I was only interested in submitting my own ideas to ArenaNet.  I watched them slowly get lost in the archived pages of several suggestion forums (like this one) - never to be commented on (or likely viewed by ArenaNet) again.  So I developed NikiWiki to try to improve that disheartening experience for others.


 * I do have to agree with your last statement... I still believe NikiWiki is a great tool, but I guess I targeted the wrong audience.  I was thinking that if NikiWiki for GW2 took off, I'd develop a few more for other games, but that might be a better endeavor anyway.  --Broken 01:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't have to submit a single "false" or sockpuppet vote to get 100 votes on an intentionally stupid suggestion. In theory, I could enlist people I know and get those votes. I could just as easily get the good suggestions down voted. There are already kiddies doing exactly this sort of thing on the build wiki (and Digg).  Why wouldn't your votes just turn into a popularity contest of the person submitting, rather than bubbling up ideas with merit?


 * For example, just to be mean, let's say Ensign posts a fantastic idea for PvP. Something easily implemented.  Every GW PvP player on the planet loves it.  It's the BEST IDEA EVER.  But it's a PvP idea, so gets buried 100 places underneath obvious ideas like "Auction House" and stupid ideas like "Make a Barbarian Elf class with Dual Wielded Scimitars".  Further, all the barbarian elf fans get pissed when GW2 comes out and there's no barbarian elf, which their friend Pete posted, so everyone voted for it.


 * In past years, I've seen open source projects that might (maybe) have a use for wiki modification like this, as a way of collecting ideas. I would suggest finding the project(s) first, and asking what their needs are.


 * As for the purpose of this page, I think originally Gaile was hoping for a more restrained, useful collection. Perhaps it could become that, if there were a process in place and a wiki user willing to oversee the mess.  For example, the user page itself could be used as a link farm to forum posts and wiki dicussions, with consensus deciding what appears on the user page.


 * As it stands, it's a long forum thread with the tools of a wiki. That's not a terrible thing all by itself.--Drekmonger 02:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Votes can be falsified, but votes only show popularity. The real value of NikiWiki is cataloging ideas, and whether or not the voting option is reliable, it is an additional asset which can record the interests of players.


 * On any suggestion site, bad ideas will be made, and bad ideas will be supported, and if the opportunity arises, bad ideas will be voted on. Whether or not there are bad ideas made or supported has little significance to whether NikiWiki is useful, since this will happen in any suggestion venu.


 * The real oppurtunity is that some good and even great ideas will be made, and GW can be greatly improved by some simple or complicated developments that would be missed or take additional time to discover. The value of Nikiwiki is that the ideas are cataloged, repeated ideas are combined and sorted into related topics, and good original ideas, whether popular or publicly noticed, will be perserved in organized fashion for hopeful discovery.


 * Whether or not you agree with player suggestion is not a particular failure for NikiWiki, it is a bias toward suggesting in general. There is no better venu for suggesting ideas, as forums bury topics, get unending repeats of drab pointless topics, and often even restrict search options and erased topics.  This simply does not work.


 * And since GW has entertained player feedback and suggestion more than any other mainstream game that I know of, and have made several additions based on the interests and topics of players, I know because I made and supported alot of them. So mocking the use of NikiWiki, and protesting against player influence is fairly misguided, to say the least, it is obvious that Anet does read player feedback, and all we want is a functional place to put it.


 * Anyhow, I can't imagine how you defend supporting this recycling bin of unorganized and outragiously bias articles when it is a breeding ground for ideas that clearly oppose Anets evolution in design, it is like the blind trying to lead those who can see, you can't seriously oppose NikiWiki and support this.--BahamutKaiser 05:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ideas can be cataloged and called out on a normal wiki. The distinguishing functionality of NikiWiki is the voting.  You could do NikiWiki without the voting (and maybe even with the voting, I don't know) right here on your user page. Invite everyone over, and call it out?
 * No one is protesting player influence. I'm offering up a reason why I think the idea of NikiWiki won't work. Obviously a.net has their own reasons for not participating, or at least not overtly participating. It seemed like the NikiWiki-ers were looking for a reason "why not?" so i thought I'd be a smug know-it-all and provide a possibility.
 * As for your last paragraph. It sounds like you have issue. With something. But instead of directly saying, "Well, I want barbarian elves with dual scimitars in the next big version of Game X", you are trying to sneak attack the issue by touting an alternate suggestion system in which you think your pet idea would bubble to the top (at the expense of the "ideas that clearly oppose Anets evolution in design").
 * Gazing into my crystal ball, I divine that you would be disappointed with the final result -- in the alternate universe where NikiWiki was the next big thing for reals. But mileage will vary, as I'm only 86.3% accurate as a prophet of alternate timelines.--Drekmonger 08:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Trying to describe voting as a bad influence and cartarize NikiWiki by its inclusion of voting is pointless, this format does not have a fraction of the functionality and organization NikiWiki does, and bringing up possabilities does not provide us with a format to work on. Unless a cataloged and organized format for suggestion is created, NikiWiki is the best format, period, and no matter how much you dislike voting, NikiWiki is not limited to the voting of suggestions, so pretending like a feature you don't like on an option vastly superior to any alternative is futile.  If you feel an alternate option is better, and neccessary for useful content to be collected and preserved, than get to work on it.  Don't waste time ridiculing and denying a universally better option based on prejudice, assumption and misassociation, it may justify your dislike in your own mind, but it is completely irrational and inconsequential in reality.  A petty misguided insult to a superior design just because you don't like or recognize it's values is your own failure, not NikiWikis.


 * Beyond that, if you ever read a single article I have ever writen, you would realize your speaking to one of the most original and innovative contributers in the suggestion ring. Making up silly slanderous remarks based on more prejudice instead of recognizing and accepting or defending the resolution only amplifies your immaturity.  A vastly rational and studied writer is not the author of rip-offs and broken mechanics, and playing political defense instead of studying and reguarding the actual topic is an insult to yourself.


 * Since I have made and supported dozens of suggestions which have found their way into the game already, and have an impecably accurate perspective on what isn't acceptable or functional for GW so far, with next to no mispredictions and few inaccurately predicted intentions, I don't really care if you can recognize rational and useful work. Time and revelation have vindicated me countless times, and the mocking of a prejudice writer has no legitimate impact.--BahamutKaiser 01:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Voting is on ideas can be a good thing or a horrible mistake, as stated above. I recently saw a thread on guru about voting regarding using heros in GvG and HA.  At the time there were 200 votes, 200? is the PvP community so small? or are ppl just not voting?  You see a majority of GW players dont frequent sites and post, they go to wiki or guru to get some small piece of information, and they are done.  As mentioned above you most likely be getting votes from that person's friends, in game or irl.  You get some votes here and there, but even then how valuable is the information?
 * Lets Say we have a poll about HA being 16v16 or 18vs18, a clear majority of the people vote for it to be 16vs16 - how useful is that information? You just dont know.  You need to understand the people being sampled for the information to be useful.  If 90% of the people that voted have never done HA and hate PvP, that information doesnt show what the PvPers want.  Any polls not directly liked to a GW account is useless from my point of view.  (didnt mean to start the 6vs6 or 8vs8 discussion, but it was a hot issue and wanted to use as an example.)
 * Am a software architect, its my job to go to the client, listen to what they want and design a system for them. Software development is not just about listening to the clients wishlist, there are a lot more factors cost, usability, .... sometimes a great idea when implemented is just useless :)  I hope that ANET will ask for discussion on specific topics, like the structure for certain type of PvP.  Currently both here and on Nikiwiki is just random ppl talking random topics...

Macro
Ok, so this is my question, is is against EULA to use a clicking macro for the intention of following another player? -  Drago  23:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You can set a letter to follow player and use it. (for example, I have "Y" set to that, if I click an alli and hit "Y" I follow them.) Hit F11, then the control tab.  Scroll downn till you see follow and change the settings on it. ‽-(eronth)  I gi  ve up  01:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Macros require a third party program. The vast majority of third party programs are against the EULA and not allowed (Texmod being the exception for modding). Macros are part of that and are not allowed. Macros allow you to do things afk which they do not want (aside from just standing in place on the rings on the shing jea boardwalk, that they don't care if you afk since it is mindlessly boring if you don't have a conversation going). Use the in game functions otherwise you risk your account being banned. By default the spacebar will follow an ally if you have them highlighted.--Thor79•[[Image:User-thor79.png]]•Talk 02:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We cannot condone or support the use of macros. For one thing, a lot of macros contain trojans or other malware, and we're not about to get into a situation where we're advocating the use of a program that puts bad things on a player's computer. Now, if the question is about whether we would block an account of someone using one, the answer would depend on whether the macro was being used to give advantage, to exploit the game, etc. In other words, if the use of a macro were of no detriment to the community, we would be less likely to take action than one that clearly had negative consequences. But if this is a request for us to say "That macro is harmless, please feel free to use it," I am afraid that I absolutely cannot say that. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks all! --Veraci 18:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I feel like I'm being watched...
Many times in the past I've noticed comments I've made actually integrated or used in some similar fashion in the game later in time though many other people had either agreed with the ideas or had similar ones most of the time (or may have suggested them before me). Since GW:EN came out I couldn't help notice the addition of sunglasses (as well as spectacles) as a head piece option. I added sunnies to my Avatar on Guildwiki and the Official Guild Wars Wiki a looong time ago (see my user page) and now I see another resemblance. So as the title states, I feel like I'm being watched by the Guild Wars eye from time to time. Kinda spooky, kinda cool. Even if I'm not though I like how in sync I feel with GW's changes sometimes. Tell them thanks for me Gaile and that goes for you too. ;) --  Vallen Frostweaver  10:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea same here, they made Raptors in game, and I feel they only made them because of me /sarcasm. --- Raptors
 * Get over yourself vallen. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:64.157.4.32.
 * You're no fun. :p --[[Image:User Vallen Frostweaver signature.jpg]]  Vallen Frostweaver  01:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

*THWACK*
Well...I hopw I'm editing in my suggesstion in on the right page.....and the right way..and if im not I apologize...but here it is. I think this should be the movie intro for GW 2. It is in text form, but it would be very easy to make into a video.


 * THWACK*

The satisfying sound of an arrow striking the exact center of the distant target was followed immediately by a resounding chorus of dismayed groans and words of mock protest. Daelen smiled inwardly, though his face betrayed no emotion as he turned towards the group of lightly armored elves who stood in a semi-circle around him. "I would hope that would suffice, Solasarath, and you would not have my quiver spent with another? Although it is only noon, and I need not meet Elstratuviel until the dusktime." The latter, said with a sly wink at his companions, resulted in an eruption of resounding laughter, even as the stoic countenance of the barb's target finally broke into a winning grin.

"As always, Daelenallithien, you honor the trees with your skill at flinging their pointed branches at distant targets!" the Paragon responded, patting the worn ruby-encrusted hilt of the blade that hung sheathed at his side. "Though when it comes to striking the enemies of Ascalon, I still prefer the holy sword of the Phoenix and the dance of the Bladesong to creeping through the forest and hiding in the bushes."

More laughter from the companions filled the leafy, sun-dappled glade as the Paragon continued. "Though I will bow before your skill in this regard, and admit the wager goes to you. A bottle of my family's 1092 Cabernet awaits you and your beloved when this patrol is over and we return to our fair city in the trees."

The enemies of the elves are many and varied: bone-crunching savage bands of Charr and scoundrels, and other races with black hearts and malicious intent. The elves are not easy targets; their long lifespan, wisdom and intelligence, their camaraderie and vigilance, all serve them well as they strive to protect the Light, and their homes, from attack. Those elves that choose to embrace arms are known simply as the Guard, and they are Darsylon's first, and deadliest, line of defense.

Daelen watched his companions slipping silently through the trees in loose formation, supple leather armor and mithril chainmail making less noise than the breeze through the canopy high above. He had taken point, ranging far ahead of the rest of the Guard, and now crouched motionless, almost invisible in a stand of juniper, as he watched and guarded their flank and rear. The last warrior jogged past from right to left, and flashed a grin and a wink in Daelen's direction, much to his surprise and chagrin. He could have sworn he was completely camouflaged! He must have missed a leaf, maybe a branch, or perhaps a strand of moss...

A sudden conflagration erupted to his left, a massive ball of fire that engulfed the last few members of the patrol and set the surrounding trees aflame. Almost simultaneously, a cloud of black arrows descended from the treetops towards the dazed members of the Guard. For Daelen, time dilated and centuries of training took over.

Notch an arrow. Rise, sight the target (orc with axe), release. Duck, cover, roll, notch another arrow, rise. Sight the target (howling duergar with spear raised to impale elf), release. Pause, focus, call forth a cougar from the wilds to tear into a shambling zombie. Spin fluidly, deflect jagged sword with buckler, grip shoulders of surprised target (scar-faced human necromancer) and sink clawed boots into soft belly. Release, drop, retrieve bow, roll, notch arrow, rise. Sight the target (cackling dark-elf elementalist), release. Drop bow, draw dagger, leap and grab overhanging branch to avoid crackling bolt of lightning, rebound off trunk of tree, embed dagger in leg of target (iron-clad duergar anti-paladin). Spin, drop, roll, stand, sprint and retrieve bow, take stock of situation.

A disastrous tableau frozen in time scarred his vision. Fully two-thirds of the Guard lay motionless upon the ground. Solasarath, locked in mortal combat with a hulking fire giant, covered in blood. Their eyes locked for a moment, and Daelen could have sworn his cousin winked at him, before the weight of his foe bore him to the ground. Charred flesh, bleeding bodies, muddy vegetation, trees turned to ash. The remainder of his surviving companions each surrounded by two or three foes, separated, unable to provide mutual defense or cover. They had failed, the battle was lost; but countless lives could still be saved if Daelen was able to break off and warn the city of impending danger.

Suddenly, a blinding beam of holy light erupted from the now standing form of Solasarath. One bare hand raised above his head, he shone with the righteous power of his God, Shokai, foes scattering around him like dried leaves before a hurricane. "To me, elves, to me!" he shouted, in a voice that carried clearly throughout the forest, "And let these dogs feel the wrath of the Phoenix!"

Daelen let loose a howling warcry, leaped atop a nearby boulder, and launched himself into a group of now quite nervous-looking orcs, dagger glinting wetly in the noonday sun.

Welcome to Guild Wars 2. A world where true Heroes walk the realms - a Hero that could be you.

So ya...I have good writing skills......and I heard that the scribe and Guild of the Week might be off b/c of no writers. Well..if u ever need, I could always write those articles for Guild of the Week, and the Scribe. Just let me know, and I'd Love to hear back ^_^

Regards, Artimues Hunter 20:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You have potential as an author but you have some serious fine tuning. The first battle scene paragraph is a mess with the way you described the enemies. Furthermore, you REALLY need to read up on ArenaNet's stance towards elves as well as Guild Wars lore. This has almost nothing to do with Guild Wars at all aside from the use of a Paragon and citing Ascalon. You are also using names and terms associated 100% with Forgotten Realms D&D Campaign Setting. It would take quite a bit of work to make that into a full CGI video too. It just doesn't work, sorry man...AndersTheBloody 02:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Would it be okay to archive this? --Drekmonger 05:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Go for it, I don't see much relation to Guild Wars 2? AndersTheBloody 16:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the best place for this sort of effort would be a fan fiction forums of a fansite. We have a lot of great FFFs out there, and we do read those forums. The wiki is more informational, and while suggestions are welcome in the suggestions subsection, it really isn't the place for storytelling. Thank you for understanding. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

NikiWiki
So, why is it that ArenaNet refuses to contact me about NikiWiki and you just keep deleting any mention of it on this site? I understand that you most likely removed this post because it wasn't specifically a Guild Wars 2 suggestion, but I hope you can appreciate why I posted there in the first place.

I've said in many discussions/emails before that I don't really mind what their take is on it, but it would be nice to get something other than the cold shoulder... I think I've made a pretty good argument for the benefits of using the site, but all I ever get is silence from you guys when I bring it up. It's very frustrating.

--Broken 03:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing is deleted. I have archived non-suggestions from my discussion pages and have expressed our thoughts about the promotion of "alternative wikis" there. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 03:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have visited the site on a few occasions, but have found it to be a bit.. more specific in scope than a lot of other stuff I've seen.. Its a good idea imo, but it also suffers from a lack of user-friendliness in organization. Wikis are tough in that aspect, but I wish you luck! - elviondale  (tahlk) 04:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Gaile - I didn't realize that you archived items for the current month, so I just assumed you got rid of that post. Please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding.  In fact, I wouldn't blame you at all for removing the post entirely since it isn't exactly a suggestion for GW2.  I was (once again) just looking for a little feedback - which I see you supplied.  =)


 * I did not intend for any of that dialog to become a promotion for my site. Please understand that I'm in no way benefiting from visitors to my site (no ads, etc) - NikiWiki was just something I created for a game I'm very passionate about.  If you don't mind, I would like to further discuss alternate methods for submitting/organizing GW2 suggestions?  Is this an appropriate place to do so, or would you prefer another venue?  I really do appreciate your time - thank you. --Broken 00:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is of course User talk:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars 2 suggestions currently in place. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 00:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

No more excuses
I saw the following two comments on GWGuru Gaile I agree with them and don't bother trying to delete it as the truth needs to be heard.

---

If my next comments offend, I apologize, but I want no ambiguity in what I am about to say. Sorry, but I've heard enough of this. I don't want any more innuendo from your company about GW2, I want results in GW1......

Step up or shut up for GW1 and don't pull the "we're too busy on GW2" card on us again. I can't play that game, I can play this one. Thats the flaw you have GOT to focus on if you want customer loyalty. Your legacy here will dictate who moves to the next game or who will already have forgotten Anet when it comes out. Or, to be a blunt as i possibly can: why should I waste my time in a community Anet never cared about?

I'm sick of the excuses and the lies Anet, smarten up or shut up.

Stop using GW2 as an excuse for sloppy work such as clipping on armours. Stop using GW2 as an excuse for not fixing bugs that have been around for more than a year. Stop using GW2 as an excuse not to program auction houses, and storage. Stop using GW2 as an excuse not to pay attention to your community.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

What is your response to it Gaile? Basch


 * So basically, you're bringing this from a forum I read and in which I am visibly active several times a day to my personal discussion page to ask, once again, about matters we've already responded to? To demand, once again, that which we are not able or willing to provide? And to insult, in yet another medium, the team that brings you the game that you presumably enjoy playing?
 * My response is to not tolerate you bringing this to my page. To not respond, again, to that which has already been addressed. And to not, ever, engage in discussion based on insults, dev bashing, and petulant demand. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Basch gets the owned sticker for today. --Deathwing 04:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Serious Concern
this isnt about frivolous complaints or anything immature...but what can we do about ingame slander perpetrated by other players? petty one sided competition should not be allowed to develop into slander which them effects gameplay experience, Does anet do anything to prevent or undo these types of offenses? or does each person have to take matters into their own hands? this affects not only me but my entire guild as an extension.
 * Matters of this sort should be referred to the Support team and they will investigate and, if needed, can take the necessary action. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 01:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I sent you a messege on Guru with a more detailed explanation, hopefully the extra detail might help point me in the right direction if theres a better option than support team. TYVM for prompt reply.
 * Yes, I read your message. The Support Team deals with issues of in-game behavior daily, and they have an aggregate of about 30 years in support of game communities, so I trust that they will know how they can help, if this is a matter in which they can become involved. --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 16:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Izzy
Is worthless at game balance. Either get a new dev, or get a decent team like iQ to balance skills. The OP skill pages are virtually ignored, and the UP skills are a joke. Izzy doesn't read either tbh. Readem 23:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Skill balance is definetly being neglected, but there's no reason to insult Izzy even if I disagree with some of the bias he has with certain skills, the issue is that the game is not getting the support it needs, and better recognition, involvement and progress for GW1 skill balance needs to become a serious priority at Anet, it is a developers obligation to take these inadequicies seriously.--BahamutKaiser 23:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not saying izzy is a bad person, just that he is terrible at skill balance. Readem  23:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * /agree Current skill balances are just a joke. No personal attacks at Izzy, but its just the way it is. Ajax Baby Eater 00:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Who cares, tbh? Fury's coming out Tuesday, we can always play WoW if we don't like that, although quite a few former high-level GW guilds are going to it. Pirates of the Burning Sea is coming out in late January. Warhammer is coming out sometime in '08. If none of those are worth playing, then you can always go back to DAoC or Shadowbane or something. --Edru viransu 00:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah Fury looks interesting and I will be checking out Warhammer, especially if this is the level of support we're getting from ANet now they're onto working on GW2, I'll prbly leave and won't be back. Ajax Baby Eater 00:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Archiving?
Just curious why you archived a discussion as it was going on a few minutes ago. --Edru viransu 02:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, "discussions" of this nature are disallowed by the Guild Wars Wiki policy. Please contact any Sysop or Bureaucrat if you have issues with my decision. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 02:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent actions
Ok, seriously people look at this and this. The first edit, maybe you could remove it, but the second one what's wrong with that? I know that we can't probably do anything to Gaile but might as well try. Gaile I am NOT breaking any policy, so unless you can prove me wrong don't archive this. Antiarchangel 02:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What statement exactly do you expect to be "proved" wrong? That an user (any user) is allowed to archive content in his/her talk page? That GWW:NPA is indeed a policy, so insulting any user here, no matter who, is something not allowed? That Gaile is bound to the same policies as everyone else here? All of those are true. In fact, if Gaile decided to archive this entire section now, she would be within her rights, just as I'm allowed to archive any section in my user's talk page any moment I feel like doing so. I see it as a matter of courtesy to realize that, when someone archives a subject, that user is not interested in continuing that specific discussion. In the links you provided, the reasons for such behavior are obvious - so why are you insisting on continuing a discussion that is just a NPA breach? Erasculio 02:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but some people think that Gaile is required to respond and be deeply interested in their insults about her co-workers. I mean, how could she not want people on her page bitching about Izzy? And how dare she remove it? --Deathwing 02:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine, fine your all right and I'm wrong. I'm just getting a little mad at Anet for failing at skill balances and the "We'll fix it in GW2" attitude. Antiarchangel 03:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm sure Anet gets tired of your bitching, too. They're only human, you know. Lord Belar 03:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't I say I was wrong? How bout some GWW:NPA. Antiarchangel 03:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're one to talk. Lord Belar 03:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Where have I broken NPA? I have not attacked anyone at all. Antiarchangel 03:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, a lot of people are happier with those skill balances. But it's always (1) those who love the over-powered skills want them to stay that way versus (2) those who want those skills nerfed so they can play other builds. It's impossible to satisfy both sides. Ever. But at least ANet is working towards a pretty decent skill balance. Kudos to ANet. Alaris 03:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not discuss skill balances here please. Coran Ironclaw 03:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Erasculio, you and all the follow up comments are missing the point. Antiarchangel is not in the wrong in asking. Gaile, I can understand the removal of the first. But you should have responded to the second with an explanation instead of removing that also. I can't seem to find where it was archived to (you did describe your edit as "archiving"). It would be clearer to just say "remove because of NPA". It would also be better to just remove snippets of it rather than the whole section. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 03:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to add fuel to the fire, but if we can't decide on what we can remove from a user talk page (a la offensive material discussions) why specify what is to stay on the user talk page? Hopefully no one is getting in a tizzy about the dark world of PR! As it really serves no purpose calling her out on hurting one's pride, why bother doing it and clutter her over-posted-on page even more? I apologize I'm adding to the bits for this thread! Consider size limits, important discussions, and relevant info, etc, and this doesn't make the cut. - elviondale  (tahlk) 04:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is my page, and therefore it is my choice as to what I respond to and how I respond. It is my choice, too, on what remains on this page, what is redirected to a topical page, and what is archived. So I archived. Someone, in what seems a wish to continue to stir the pot, linked to content I obviously did not wish to host on my talk page. I archived that. Someone now asks why I archived the archive note about the material I archived. *sigh*


 * And so it goes. And go this goes. Into the archives, which isn't the best place for it, but I do not wish to bother the Bureaucrats or Sysops to ask for a permanent deletion, nor do I feel this particular material is so grievous it needs one. The archive seems the best place for now, and if you have issue with that, well, please review the responses above and understand that the GWW community seems to support my right to archive as I see fit on my talk page. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Dishonorable
I suggest you read this please as I think the Dishonorable system is hugely flawed.-- §  Eloc   §  21:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do not link me to pages filled with offensive language. I may read it in the course of reading the wiki as a whole, but I'm not going to have a link to it on my page. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Running service problem
I have a problem which requires your help. As you might know I'm offering professional in game running and fighting services. Our running group has maintained pretty nice prices (far more than random runners ask for most services) for the whole of our existence since 2005. We have multiple returning customers with lots of spare cash who buy lots of our services, resulting in hundreds of platinums worth of income for a few days work.

Now this is the problem: What if we suspect that a returning customer might be aquiring some of his money through gold selling companies / eBay? Of course as players we can never be sure, but there are situations where a seemingly casual (=doesn't know the game as well as one might expect for someone with hundreds of plat) player has lots of gold to spend on our services. Should we refuse to serve that customer? Should we report to support so you guys can examine the case? If we accept the gold for our services is there a possibility that we face a ban, possibly even a permanent one like those who buy/sell gold? I'm a very passionate runner/rusher and love to serve others as long as it pays me so well that I don't need to farm or take part in professional trading, but I don't want to face the possibility of being banned because of what I do. I've dedicated over two years for the game and a ban would ruin it all, so I want to be completely sure what to do in cases like these. Losing income of a few hundred platinum just to be sure isn't a choice that I would like to do lightly, so I want to be absolutely sure if accepting the payment in these cases might cause a ban.

Thank you for reading this. I do understand if it is not possible to give a 100% guaranteed answer, but I would like you to delve into this and try to answer me as throughly as possible. -- (gem / talk) 23:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm curious... what kind of run would cost 100 plats or more? Alaris 23:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure they wouldn't take any action or bans as there is next to no way of knowing the source of the plat, it is perfectly possibly to acquire large amounts of gold through legitimate sources. Unless they outright tell you "hey I got this plat off of ebay to pay for this run". -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He means running someone through many runs not just one I believe. Example running a new person to Lions Arch is about 45 mins run from Ascalon. That might cost about 10 to 20k... I am only guessing the cost... I use to do it for free for random strangers lol Chik En 23:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Google Running Rangers, they'll run anything you can think of and then some. Some of the later missions are hard to run. Lord Belar 02:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am uncomfortable with this on my personal talk page. I would recommend that those interested in this matter contact Support to ask them their policies on the matter. I am unable to provide as clear a policy statement as Support would be able to do, or would be able to acquire. Thank you for understanding. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 02:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Now, who would I go to...
To complain about armor styles? I really wouldn't know who to complain to, but I will tell you anyway, maybe you'll relay it; But I've got a slight problem with Dervish_Ancient_armor. You can't really "dye" much. You can waste black dye on it but the primary color is just BROWN. Which brings me to my second idea, that there should be a way to perhaps, have a parimy/secondary dye style. Let's do the Ancient Dervish Armor for example. The Primary color is the brown, and the secondary color is teal (or whatever part we are only able to dye right now.) Might call for like, a secondary interface. Was this idea ever brought up or thought of? Just thought I'd throw this out. Vanguard 16:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess the best place for this would be User talk:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars Art issues. Although I would like to know if Gaile could checkmark the issues there as well, if they have been passed along to the design/art teams (like you did with the text issues). But I'm afraid they're not 100% dedicated to those things, with GW2 being produced at the same time... Even better: a person like User:Bobby Stein for art issues. :-) -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 17:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn shame, too. Thanks for the info, though I will wait for some more official confirmation. Also, that wasn't me on the text issues thing. On Stein's talk, I was complimenting a mission. [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG|Vanguard]]Vanguard 17:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest Linsey Murdock or Emily Diehl for those issues. Let either one of them know (but not both) and they'll pass it on to either the Dev team or the art team. Renin 17:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Vanguard: that part was more directed at Gaile. :-)
 * And Renin: Linsey does not work on art issues, she'll be happy to talk about Explorable Area spawns or quests though. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 17:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note taken. I was forwarded to one of them regarding the male elementalist monument armor hence I thought they could help but I'm getting more and more used to wiki-ing. and oh, this would be better of in the suggestion for Guild Wars 2 as I can't seem aNet investing more of their resources into recreating codes and art for GW1. Renin 02:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The best place for feedback is the discussion page connected to the wiki article about that armour set. (CoRrRan, because this is not really an art issue -- but is a personal opinion or as the member called it, a complaint, such comments wouldn't go on the art issues page.)
 * Vanguard, I'm sorry that you don't care for the dye patterns on the set in question. Luckily, there are different dye patterns across the many armour sets, so hopefully you will find one that appeals to you more. I know that we will not be making changes to either the armour or the dye system, but if you want to make a suggestion for Guild Wars 2, you're welcome to put the idea on the User Talk:Gaile Gray/Guild Wars 2 suggestions page. Thanks. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 21:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem I have with GW2 yet though, It's a problem have with THIS GW >_>. I will definately look up some of those links later though and post my ideas. [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG|Vanguard]]Vanguard 21:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The best way to make a complain is to elaborate a solution and suggest it, explaining why it is important to be added.Coran Ironclaw 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can easily add a bit more. [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG|Vanguard]]Vanguard 00:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Check your PM on Guru
Gaile read please--Pablo24 03:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you just posted something on Guru so you must have noticed my PM now.--Pablo24 03:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Still waiting--Pablo24 19:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Impatient much? Lord Belar 21:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaile are you ignoring me or did you just not notice this?--Pablo24 21:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I did respond to your PM. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you check the community email? I sent you an Exploit Report.--Pablo24 23:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless you're a whistle-blower on some major exploit operation, things like that should be sent to Support. Not Gaile. -- Counciler 04:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken, you're the same person that decided you would make a post on Guru to announce to everyone that you found an exploit (the most recent Guild Hall one), just to say that you weren't going to tell anyone how to do it, right? While I'm sure ANet appreciates your doing that, your tone makes it seem like you are on your high horse and deem yourself more important than any other user. Remember that you are not an employee of ANet, and your exploit report could be sent to support. If it's deemed important enough, I'm sure it will be handled with the same urgency than if you had sent it to Gaile (or any other ANet employee) herself. Kokuou 21:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Me? I never did any such thing! I'm always the last to learn of exploits! And besides, I can still be an ANET employee in my dreams. :( -- Counciler 21:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

No, no, Counciler! :D My comment was directed at Pablo24. I'm in total agreeance with you. :D Kokuou 21:33, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ohhhh..... well have a cookie then. *hands you cookie* And Happy Thanksgiving! -- Counciler 23:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay for cookies! :D Happy Thanksgiving to you, too! Even though we had ours last month ;) Kokuou 01:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

GWLP & Pablo24
First off, I am a staff member for the GWLP Emulator. While I would prefer not to have to do this, I feel some "warning" should be given.

As you know, Pablo24 was also a staff member, a programmer for us. Unfortunely, he decided to deviate from our plans to make an emulator and set off on his own to find exploits on the official servers. Something we are against. It is our policy, that if we do come across an exploit, we report it directly to ArenaNet (not on a public forum!).

It was our mistake to allow Pablo to join our project and we are paying for it. Him releasing exploits, using our codebase gives us a bad reputation. We do not condone his actions.

Since his first post on a public forum, he was removed from the team. His source code access revoked as was his access to our development wiki. We kept in contact, and stated firm rules about the release of any information gained from working on the project and told him that if he was to follow them, he might be able to rejoin.

He could not listen to these simple rules, regardless of wanting to join the team again. He is now permanently banned.

It has come to my attention that you have banned his account. He has told us that he will probably get it back, because he was finding exploits for you and apparently has a "protected account".

Pablo is only seeking fame. For those of you that did think him posting on the forum was the correct action to take. Think again. If you need somebody to thank for reporting exploits to ArenaNet, thank the anonymous users that probably do it everyday.

Do not trust him. To sum up my reasons, I live you with a chatlog from our IRC channel a few days ago. Nov 21 02:59:19 i didnt post anything on forums after the crash explit Nov 21 02:59:20 I mean, its the reason we banned you from GWLP. And we aren't a powerful company, we just find you annoying. Nov 21 02:59:21 exploit Nov 21 02:59:25 reported to gaile directly Nov 21 03:31:11 btw hah... gaile cant say i broke the agreement cos i asked her if i should continue to modify packets and try to find bugs and she said ye Nov 21 03:31:23 and ingame it says i have been banned for using a third party program Nov 21 03:34:03 <|Stretch|> heh anet's system of appeals is a joke Nov 21 03:34:17 <|Stretch|> i got a 3 day ban for a 18month old char with the name slashin beotch Nov 21 03:34:26 lol Nov 21 03:35:53 if they dont unban me anyways im gonna release a shitload of hax for gw and then make my own game Nov 21 03:38:11 i alrdy have a community manager for my game Nov 21 03:39:35  Please send me them pablo lol(plz don't ban) Nov 21 03:40:20 i'll see what gaile says first Nov 21 03:40:40  kk Nov 21 03:41:00  Just out of curiosity do you really have a bunch of "hax"? Nov 21 03:41:12 yeah Nov 21 03:42:04  oh... you caught my interest Nov 21 03:46:36 --- saracen sets modes [#gwlp +b *!*testid@*.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] Nov 21 03:46:36 <-- saracen has kicked pablo24 from #gwlp (pablo24)

Also, for those of you that saw the first forum post about his exploit (Located Here) do not believe anything user "Rahja the Thief" was saying. He is completely misinformed. No staff member on this project has any access to players information such as credit card details. Further more, none of us actively seek exploits and try to gain an unfair advantage.

Powered By God 20:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is decidedly not the place to discuss this. I will archive this entire thread. Feel free to contact me at community@arena.net if you wish to share information or concerns. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 20:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Izzy?
Gaile, where has Izzy gone? He hasn't made a post since the 8th of November if I know how to use Wiki properly....Ajc2123
 * As everyone just insult him about how wrong he balance the skills, i would stop bother too if thats what he've done. --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 00:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well what do you expect with a mass of gamers that just like to rip on someone else juet because they can't embrace the change and find a new way to play lol. Though I feel sorry for his constant bashing, it's going to keep happening. I admit I talked about some skill changes, but I've never insulted anyone about it, just put my two cents in. .....WHERE HAVE YOU GONE IZZY??? Ajc2123
 * It does say on Izzy's talk page why he hasn't posted there a lot. I think it mainly boils down to the fact that Anet employees post to the Wiki on their time (it isn't in their normal job duties except for maybe Gaile). Since Izzy has to split his time between GW and GW2 his spare time hasn't been as abundant and thus the Wiki posts have slacked off. Yeah he gets bashed a lot, but that is part of his job. Brothermallon 04:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus the declining maturity of users on this wiki, particularly on Izzy's pages. Look at the large number of comments made on his sub pages... It's got to be overwhelming so I bet he just reads them and almost never posts (many of his posts get slammed anyway). Add to this the incredibly funny (sarcasm) "humour" of PvX wiki style and a lot of the feedback isn't even worth reading. 122.104.231.28 08:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem is that many people feel that they're not heard. I for one am currently very reluctant to post any suggestions, since we don't even get the general 'I'm looking into everything on my page'-response. It's just like there's no point to it. You can debate with other players all day long, but it feels as if it is not even read, let alone considered. And yes, I try to remain polite, but irritation is something that grows slowly, and may burst into flames when you've had a bad day. Also, I like that many staff members wiki in their free time, but they should add a disclaimer to pages they don't plan to (or just can't) visit often. If only to stop people from getting their hopes up, only to be disappointed, frustrated and (hopefully not) leaving the game. Nicky Silverstar 18:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not just that they are not heard but rather ignored it seems. There are a lot of issues with the game that need fixed with skills from all the useless ones that never see play and Izzy stating skills shouldn't be able to compete with other skills of the same attribute... He doesn't understand the skills or the game, see Disrupting_Shot and Shadow_Fang discussion pages for just a very few examples. People are tired of an overly limited game that is far from balanced and PvP having so many bugs like the gate issues on some maps.  Plus people are realizing that nomatter how much they love Guild Wars or how much time and money they invest in it that it's all pointless as pretty much all focus is on GW2 with the occasional update to GW1 to try and keep people interested long enough to carry over to GW2 to try to get it off to a good start.... I'm curious how many will given they are seeing how much GW1 is going downhill over the months and that doesn't paint a good picture of what to expect in GW2. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]  Sabastian  03:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In response to Sebastian's post: Firstly, I think you underappreciate the time and tradeoffs that go into skill-balancing... With over 1000 skills, crossing both PvP and PvE, you can't simply decide to nerf a skill and see how it goes. If you buff a skill too much, it may make PvE enemies too strong or vice versa...  The same problem occurs with the variety of different builds in PvP... Skill changes must be tested thoroughly and this takes time and knowledge... And if certain builds are so overpowered, how come there is no one build winning against everything else? Secondly, if by "overly limited" you mean the 8 slot skill bar, then you should try playing WoW because apparently what you desire is being able to push a series of buttons to use all of your skills every time, instead of using strategy and actually thinking about what you're about to do.  Thirdly, I am one of (and know plenty more of) the people who still enjoy playing this game, be it PvE or PvP, because if you don't still, then it merely means that you have not explored the game to its fullest potential...  Lastly, if you're so sick and tired of all of this, make a constructive suggestion instead of blasting everyone for what they're doing wrong; you're giving them no idea of what they could do to make the game more enjoyable for you. --   Frozzen   [[Image:User_Frozzen_sig.PNG|User_Frozzen_sig.PNG]] 03:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, Yet thats all Izzy does is just simply decides to nerf things as knee jerk reactions in an attempt to simply cover it with a bandaid rather than fixing the issues. When PvE creatures become to powerful or weak because of skills changes they can be fixed by adjusting their attribute points or skill set up. Yes, skills balancing takes time and especial knowledge of the skills and game and all of which Izzy has shown he greatly lacks. Also, where did I say a build was so over powered?  Don't try to add things that aren't there.  Secondly,  At no point did I even indicate that the 8 skills slot limit made the game overly limiting, however; I did point out how so many of skills are completely useless and that is what makes it so limiting.  Being limited to just a few useful skills keeps all the classes overly limited as it narrows what they can play with.  You can take the useless skills but you spend your time not really doing anything to the enemy.   Oh, and I've played WoW a bit and found it boring and you shouldn't try to make half-arsed assumptions about people like you've done twice now without knowing anything about me.   Thirdly, thats yet another assumption about me on your part. I've played well over a 1,000 hours per and on each campiagne over every profession in every attribute over multiple accounts and character slots amounting to well over a $1,000 worth of purchases of Guild Wars accounts and additions.  So I've more than played this game to it's potential and have watched it's potenial continue to drop over the past many months with each supposed update.   Lastly,  Not only myself but many others have tried to do so but all who do not praise everything being done is said to be in the vocal minority and ignored. Sometimes they are told by rampant fanbois that it can't be done because ArenaNet would have to actually work on it and that takes time and effort or Gaile simply archives it so it can't be seen.  The game is dying as can be seen by so few people still playing it compared to how many used to as well as ArenaNet now working on GuildWars 2 since Guild Wars is losing ground in making profit.  If Guild Wars was still as profitable they'd still be working on it rather than trying to save themselves with the hopes of Guild Wars 2.  It's good you still enjoy playing but a lot of people don't because of the direction the game has gone and is going.   P.S., It's Sabastian not Sebastian. Sorry, just picky about my name.  P.P.S., Balancing skills is a lot easier than you'd think if you know the game and skills well enough for which Izzy has proven countless time he does not.  The bit about Izzy is not an assumption as it's documented well in game with the lack of good skill variety, the Assassin and Ritualist and Paragon and Dervish and Necromancer classes not really having a place outside gimmicks and AoM for the Dervish as well as his lack of undertstanding of the games skills as can be seen in some skill discussion talk pages and his dependance on skills that even he admits are broken. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]  Sabastian  05:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

My talk page, and this wiki as a whole, is intended as an source of information for Guild Wars players. It is not intended for the hosting of insults, for opinion-stating, nor for bashing of any other GWW member, including those who belong to the development team. If you wish to discuss this with Isaiah, feel free to comment on his talk page, but I strongly urge everyone to do so in a respectful and courteous way, treating Isaiah (who is one of the nicest and most dedicated people I know) with the respect that you yourself would wish to be shown. If you are incapable of doing that -- are truly incapable of showing that level of human decency -- then at least remember the GWW policy against personal attacks, and use that as a primary guide on what you write.

I am now going to archive this discussion because (1) there is no perceptible value to it, (2) this is most vehemently not the place for such a discussion, and (3) such is my right, as a GWW member. -- Gaile 05:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Stop being so nazi about language
A friend of mine recently got banned for saying a few "filter-recognized" words in local chat, and we can't play for another day. Why do you ban people for language which is censored by the filter? If people find that kind of language offensive, they should use *gasp* the filter. Please stop punishing people for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I'm sick of your Nazi-imitation bullshit. It's not only in the chat filter, it's in Guild Name and Character Name bans too. Battery Powered Best Friend is offensive, but Suxon my Kurdick [gulp] isn't? Omg Its All Over Your Face [come] is acceptable but the word "boobies" isn't?  Please get your heads out of your asses, and while you're at it, fix some of the bugs that have been in the game since release. 72.235.48.41 04:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * While not the best tone, banning because of profanity is pretty dumb. There are chat filters in place. That said, it's a day. Who cares? 71.251.222.80 04:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * o btw m8 wuts trolin? +1 &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  04:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

MIRRORED STANCE
make it remove the stance the target use before stealing it, add some poison and knockdown too. | Since izzy dont listen to my QQing --Cursed Angel  01:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * LoL. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  01:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * really.. where is he? and the link failed but u get the point --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 01:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, make it instantly kill anyone above 50% health, and daze everyone in earshot. :P Lord Belar 01:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * deaf community would be inmune, daze everyone on map --Rayd 18:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming they don't care about balancing GW anymore. Anybody who cares about skill balances probably has already bought every GW so why bother skill balancing, Izzy's paycheck gets anet more steak. 68.90.194.239 01:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Watch this get archived in like 2 seconds. 68.90.194.239 01:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Updates
You scared me with the last update. For a moment I feared they had fixed numerous old bugs and added new stuff. Yseron

Speed of light
Never saw such a quick reaction to a bug ( People who catched the post before it was deleted a few seconds later will understand ). Yseron

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