Talk:Heket

I don't think the frogmen in GW:EN are heket. Toads and frogs are different species. So the toadlike heket and froglike frogmen are probably not. --Heelz 06:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes and in RL spiders aren't insects, but in the world of GW they are. Don't put too much logic into things like this.  :)  --Rainith 06:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there are many animals called 'toads' that are 'frogs' and 'frogs' called 'toads'. What is true is that all of them are batrachians. So you could say that all todas are frogs, but not all frogs are toads, just like 'cat' is usually used for all felines: all 'cats' are felines, but not all felines are 'cats'. What it seems is that the generic name for the family would be 'frogmen' not 'heket', only the Nightfall frogmen are heket. MithranArkanere 14:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you have the quest from Bone Palace, that requires you too kill some hekets, then go to EoTN and kill frogpeople , blam the shiny quest item drops :), oh and i've actually had the Beast Masters spawn with Bows, even tho most of them are shiny meeler's (necrroo-ing here?)Panthor 20:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

language?
"heket appear to speak common" when did the language become "common" that's a d&D thing, ive never heard or seen that anywhere in the game as being referred to as common--Vhalantru 04:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, just like in movies that contain "foreign" people, everyone just magically speaks the same language so the user doesn't have to do any translations, or read sub-titles. This of course would mean that they don't ACTUALLY speak "common", just that A.net didn't feel like making up a frog/toad language :) --68.104.205.160 05:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that "common" is actually the language of the Forgotten. -- Gordon Ecker 08:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tarnished Coast heket names
Do these names translate to anything? -- Gordon Ecker 08:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn...that's some really cool trivia. -AyaStowar

picture from Anet page
I don't know how to tag this one, so but couldn't we add this one to the page? &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 16:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pictures from the official website get tagged with the arenanet image tag according to the image policy if that's what you mean Zerpha. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 16:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks. :) I thought these need a special tag, as i most often saw them with that "fansite kit" tag, though this one isn't part of it. (btw, funny to know Anet calls them "bushtoads", according to the image name &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 16:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the original name that got changed before release? -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 16:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Possibly. Maybe we can add this as Trivia in the article. And uhm well, how should i name the image? Image:Heket Warrior.jpg should be used for the ingame appearance. The Margonite images does not seem to follow a specific rule, but i'd like to give it a reasonable name... &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 16:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe just Image:Heket.jpg? Although for the ingame appearance the warrior is called Stoneaxe Heket so Image:Heket Warrior.jpg should also be acceptable. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 16:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, i noticed your answer too late. I uploaded it as Image:Heket (Arenanet image).jpg. If you think [[Image:Heket warrior (Arenanet image).jpg]] suits better, i'll change it. Though i added a decription on the page for this pic now, until we get a second arenanet heket images, theres maybe no urgent need for an image name change. &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 17:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The name you uploaded it as is fine, maybe if we did get a second image it might need to be changed but as you said at the moment there isn't really an urgent need for a name change. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 17:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Oooh, Nahuatl!
I <3 Nahuatl. That is all. Kokuou 17:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Name origins
I found a possible name origin for Agari, but I haven't been able to find anything for Gokir, Hylek or Ophil. -- Gordon Ecker 08:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I found Agari, Ofil (Ophil) and Hylek as proper names used as part of company names. Agari and Ofil seem to be from Chile. Hylek seems to be a surname of European origin. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 11:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the trivia on Japanese. "Agari" can mean many, many things in Japanese, but they have no apparent relation to these Heket. Linguistically speaking, the shorter a word is, the more likely it is to exist in multiple languages. I'm sure we could find "agari" in several different languages, but it's kind of pointless to list them all. Besides, we know the theme was supposed to be close to that of Utopia, so why would they stick a Nahuatl word with Japanese? I think we should delete it for now. Kokuou 11:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The south american origin seems more likely, as the GW:EN heket profession titles are derived from Nahuatl. Does anyone know if agari can be used as a colour adjective in Japanese? -- Gordon Ecker 21:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I confused the blue agari with the green hylek, the line has been removed. Anyway, I've brought this up at RFC. -- Gordon Ecker 00:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I did a quick google search on agari, and came across a page saying aragi was greek or latin for toadstool or mushroom.  Yukiko [[Image:User_Yukiko_Sig.png]] 02:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This is an easy one - Agari = Atari (frogger?), Gokir = Goku (right....), Hylek = not sure, Ophil = Oprah + Phil - elviondale  (tahlk) 04:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Or... they could be completely made-up names. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They very well could be, Aberrant. Although, I like Yukiko's finding, considering they look like frogs and all. Frogs, toads, toadstools... Kokuou 07:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Elviondales one for Agari. Gordon, by name origin do you mean like trivia? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  15:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm with Aber here, you're just wasting your time trying to find trivias where there's only made-up names by Anet devs on something.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]reanor 06:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hugz n xoxos
GJ on the icon. Ninjas In The Sky 18:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

armor resistance
extra vs. fire anyone? vanquishing that one place on the easternmost side of elona...lemme pull it up, barbarous shore, keeps effin up my assassin's promise build because the wars have extra armor >:(--Ʀєʟʟɑ 18:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

GW:4
utopia- was placed around aztek themes,might they have been named in the making of that game(and moved to EOTN when it was cancled?-- Neil2250  20:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

GW2
I must say I wouldn't have minded being able to play as a heket in GW2, oh well, hope for expansions right? :D Nay the One and Only 17:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt you will be able to play as a Heket. :P Infested Hydralisk  00:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

hylek
why are there two names for this creature? It got me very confused.
 * Different tribes and stuff. - Mini Me  18:39, 5 September, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong, actually. This article is focused around the game mechanics, sadly, which consider two different races to be the same. The heket are toad-like creatures and live in Elona, while the hylek are frog-like creatures that live in Tyria. The heket only have one known tribe, while the hylek has five. Game programming, however, considers them all of the same species as one can find out during the She Hungers quest. -- Konig / talk 21:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I stand corrected. - Mini Me  13:55, 6 September, 2010 (UTC)
 * ? As far as I can tell, the are just reskins. ALso Hyleks are only one tribe, no different from the the other 3. Backsword 19:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to the GW2Wiki's page for Hylek. Hylek is also the name of the frogmen race, but it's never stated in the actual game - it was explained in an interview with Ree. Yes, they are re-skins, but most of Eye of the North's monsters are. Are Krait and Bone Dragons and Saltspray Dragons the same just because they Krait are reskins of the later two? Are the Shadow Army and the White Mantle the same due to them being reskins? No. Heket!=Frogmen, and Frogmen=Hylek. Hylek is the name of a tribe and the frog-like race (while Heket is the name of the toad-like race). -- Konig / talk 21:36, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * gw2 retcon lore belongs on gw2w, ot here. In gw1, they are just a tribe, wth no distinction fro the others, and they al have tesame creature type. Backsword 10:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really a retcon unless you're meaning any expansion on lore. Want to use GW1 lore? Alright, the page still should be split, but instead of going to Hylek, it should be on "Frogmen" - because that's what they are called in game, though that's merely a descriptive term. Their name is actually "Hylek" - as said in multiple cases, GW2 lore will effect GW1 lore just as GW1 lore effects GW2's lore. -- Konig / talk 11:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a retcon when you change the meanig. Hyek is presented as just one tribve in gw1, and as you say, they are refered as to frogme in ingame text. You coldmove tis article to fromen if you like, and consider Heket he Elonan verson, but they are the same hing as far as the game is concerened, both withrespect to gamerplay and for lore as presentedin the game. Backsword 11:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There was no meaning changed. Hylek is still the tribe. It's just also the race. They are referred to as Frogmen in GW1 because their race name was known to NPCs. And "as far as the game is concerned" it's only with game mechanics - not lore or "gamerplay." In lore, they are Hylek. And GW1 and GW2 lore are intimately tied, not separate. The only separation between the lore on the wikis is "pre or during GW1's timeframe" and "after GW1's timeframe" - this falls under both, and thus is GW1W and GW2W material. -- Konig / talk 11:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find any instance of the type being refered to as Hylek in gw1. Only other things.Backsword 11:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Genetics and game mechanics are different things. Look at dogs and wolves. They are the same species. But they have different behavior, and how people relate to them is different, so people tend to classify them as different things. Something similar happens with Norn and Humans. They are different races, but they can mate and have 'half-norn' kids that are healthy and fertile. And we also know that there are humans as tall as Norn. The difference between a Norn and a huge human is that the human has an spiritual link with the norn spirits and can 'become the bear'. And look at Elonian and Northern centaur. Northern have goat features, while Elonian have antelope features, yet no one argues they are all centaur, and we don't even know if they can mate, so we don't know if they are the same species, we only know they are the same type of creature by game mechanics. We know some things thanks to lore, but others thanks to game mechanics. All we know for sure with Hylek and Heket is that the quest that makes all heket drop legs makes hylek drop legs too, so, by game mechanics, they are ALL heket, and you can't split them. You can make a separate article just for the Hylek, though, since they are something different by lore, like there is a different article for the Awakened, although they are undead, mainly mummies and one elemental, in lore, they are a separate faction of undead. What I don't know if they started calling them all Hylek after events in GW1 (in which case they would be hylek only in gW2), or if they were always called hylek even during GW1 timeline. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 15:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Hylek reference name
I found that the name hylek is probably after the frog family Hylidae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylidae. Should I put it on the trivia section? Lokheit 22:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)