Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for adminship/Auron/Archive 3

Isn't he already a sysop?
Am I just confused? Isn't he already a sysop? Or is this a RfR? Karate  Jesus  15:13, 13 October 2009  (UTC)
 * It's an RfR. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 15:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahhh. We should label those differently or something... Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  15:18, 13 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Sometimes it's noted in the beginning part by the creator, and I think there's a different category for it. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 15:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I love how Wyn's opposition makes me want Auron to remain an admin even more :3 Karate  Jesus  19:01, 13 October 2009  (UTC)
 * And Unending's for that matter. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  17:16, 16 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Why mine?-- Unending fear  User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 17:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's incredibly supported, by both examples and some personal experience. You convinced many in the propaganda, being made of of you articulating the entire situation. Teach me. <font color="#92000a">Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  17:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because of this. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:36, 16 October 2009  (UTC)

aproved?
isn't 38 more then enough? were there is only what 3 who oppose? - Zesbeer 04:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 4 now. But it doesn't matter. Hardly anyone respects the opinions of those 4 (except Wyn and maybe adrin...although I doubt it's many) . <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">04:34, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Haha, you think people respect Adrin's opinion. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * haha, you think people respect wyn's opinion.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 05:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between respecting an opinion and agreeing with it. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 05:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * eh regardless 38vs4 i think approved.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 05:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 39vs4 pers onn5 [[Image:User_Personn5_sig.jpg|19px]] 05:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Excuse me. I should have just said "No one respects the opinions of those 4". <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:34, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Ideally the dude whose name is at the top of the RfA should respect the opinions of those who oppose, and then either explain why they feel such and so forth are not negative attributes, or else make an effort to improve in those areas. However, the opposes here are so threadbare (with the possible exception of Wyn's I suppose) that responding or taking them to heart would be rather difficult for even the most sensitive of bear-cares. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, even with Wyn's....well, we all know she's just pretty sensitive...and a stickler for the rules. The rest are just lol. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:40, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Stickler for the rules? Really? Enforced if they suit my purposes, ignored for trivial reasons when they don't IMO, as well as a general attitude of everyone who doesn't agree with me (and who isn't also a sysop) and doesn't totally display love and affection for ANet mustn't share the wellbeing of the wiki at heart and are terrible people and are deserving of being labeled as a 'nobody,' PvX rejects, etc. The wiki should be there for everyone who wants to make a positive contribution and negative assumptions of a user's person should not be made just because of disagreement with my views. Add in the bullyboy tactics used to try and enforce agreement (as opposed to putting forth a sound argument) and constant emotional outbursts when I don't get my way... Jennalee 14:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I found that pretty confusing. <font color="#A55858">Misery  15:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty much confusing. Who are you talking about, Jennallee? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 15:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Answering Karate on Wyn Jennalee 16:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with Mis, I really didn't get your point, tbh. Could you please explain in a more....understandable way. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:14, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * You don't really need to understand it to know that it has nothing to do with Auron's RfA. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 17:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I can't tell. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:01, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * Making a vaguely sarcastic comment about Wyn's actions of late, such as her reasons for the oppose. Karate, you've already said something of a similar nature yourself: "Also, I understand that you have something personal against Moo Kitty and I, but there's no reason to jump all over us for nothing. And btw, I have nothing personal against you. I just don't like the way you sysop and I think your actions are annoying. As a person, I'm sure you're just delightful. I can differentiate between the two. I recommend that you learn how to as well." and then, "...I don't see you obeying GWW:AGF." You should probably add NPA to that list too.


 * While I'm not going to argue that Auron's ways of dealing with things are not exactly carebeary, stating overt dislike of ANet as a reason for opposing is stupid. I don't see evidence of him being an ineffective sysop either. It's well known Auron often doesn't agree the way Wyn sysops, and that Wyn's actions are strongly influenced by her feelings. Put two and two together. Jennalee 00:50, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ...so what are you arguing about? I still don't follow. &mdash; derp de derp derp a tum tee tiddly tum ta tum Maf 02:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you "don't follow" now you probably never will - FireFox [[Image:User_FireFox_av.png]] 02:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

@adrin's edit. Admining a wiki has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game. That is the worst argument I've ever seen. And even if it were somehow valid, he keeps up with the forums and here and probably knows more than most of the people who actually play. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:45, 17 October 2009  (UTC) I figured this could possibly be partially directed at me, so I decided to vote, even though I don't have any strong feelings on the matter anymore. &mdash; Why 14:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * he has 38 supports. why do you give a fuck how i feel?-- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 05:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because ur wrong on teh internetz. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:49, 17 October 2009  (UTC)
 * I intend to let it run about a week. I know there are people who would oppose Auron who haven't voted yet. I can't speak for the other bureaucrats, but there is hardly a need to rush this. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * not rushing just pointing out that the majority of the people approve.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 12:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say things are going reasonably well for Auron, yes. <font color="#A55858">Misery  14:21, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "I know there are people who would oppose Auron who haven't voted yet."

If an anon's going to RfR
wouldn't it help to include at least one link? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew 
 * It would help, but it's not required, and the bureaucrats will be free to ignore it like all the other requests. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 16:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ups. i don't have any idea how rfrs work, so wotev. ;o ···  Danny  Pew   Pew 
 * yeah, let's go through this nonsense again: fanbois vs butthurt, round 3. –Jette 17:50, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is all serious? I thought it was purely for the lols. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 17:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It is for me D:. Morphy 08:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Scythe, do you actually have anything recent? Both your linked incidents were horribly old and would also both be already resolved by this reconfirmation. So you don't have any valid point right now. poke | talk 05:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Your statement would suggest that there isn't a constant and never ending pattern of these incidences. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 20:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My statement is that old incidents (which happened before a different reconfirmation) can't really count as a reason for a new reconfirmation. poke | talk 20:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you should stop viewing it for its "Bad timing" and start viewing it for what it was meant to be viewed as. Character definition. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 20:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Character is not part of the admin role. poke | talk 21:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is when the Admin in question breaks the rules he's supposed to enforce and abuses his tools. Which is why his character is coming up in the first place. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 21:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Take into consideration for a moment that at the current point in time, Auron is the single greatest cause of, shall we say, waves in the pool, on GWW. I know certain people who were permanently banned for this specific reason. I'm not sure why one gets banned and the other gets the be a sysop, But if thats the sort of thing you want going on on your wiki, Please. By all means. Be my guest. I don't actually care anymore. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 21:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Briar, you don't like Auron, we get it. The question, however, was aimed at Scythe. I also wonder how that first link is considered a PA. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * When speaking of waves, there are the type that keep the tide pool healthy by throwing cold water on it once in a while, and then there are the tsunamis which completely drown out the pool and kill all the hermit crabs. Both are disruptive, and both are trying to help in their respective ways; one is ultimately much more dangerous than the other, though. Please be sure to distinguish them in the future. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 01:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

WTF are you calling "incidents"? Not acting like a professional every waking minute? Uh duh, none of them are b/c they aren't getting Paid. Not even the ppl Anet hires to act like Professional on this wiki actually live up to that standard so you'll have to do a lot better than what those links pointed to. His actions aren't disrupting meaningful contributions to the wiki so you don't have a case at this time. Buh/Baaaw bye nao. -- ilr  22:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Uh duh, none of them are b/c they aren't getting Paid."


 * What does being professional have to do with getting paid or not? There are plenty of organizations that people volunteer for that are expected to act professionally and if they don’t are dismissed.
 * "Not even the ppl Anet hires to act like Professional on this wiki actually live up to that standard"


 * What does the behavior of Anet’s staff or any other group, paid or unpaid, have to do with the behavior expected here? Are you saying that if Anet’s staff were to engage in PAs and start trolling that it would be ok for the rest of us? NPA embodies principles that don’t change based on the behavior of others and should be upheld by all in the community, especially the sysops. The same goes for trolling which if you look at this, you’ll notice one is not like the others. <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="black">Sardaukar  [[Image:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 01:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, one of the links is red. --67.240.88.57 01:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You do realize that's Vapor-Policy.... right?? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 18:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Scythe, that's not rascist, that's actually what happened in 300. 98.248.90.248 23:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

-oh I've got a contradiction for that, if you have bad character (you hate/rage alot *cough* *auron* *cough*) you should not be an admin, the "i dont c how thats a PA" is b/c he made an attack on Wyn, Auron lovers are too used to his abuse. Oh and those may be outdated, but i just add to my case as i find it when i troll through wiki any further questions ill answer more briskly, was gone for the second half of last week & the weekend -- The Scythe   Has Fallen  00:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC) he used "black guys" -- The Scythe   Has Fallen  10:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * let me answer a few points "Character is not part of the admin role."
 * The links don't really help your case, they're too old. If you can't find recent 'evidence' that Auron's unfit for adminship, don't bother.--User Oneshot O.JPG h.      moo.  00:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the "Black guys getting kicked into a well" comment was a reference to 300, the (in)famous scene where whatshisface kicks the niggardly (hurr durr) ambassador into the well. For Elona! is a reference to that scene as well.  –Jette 01:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Scythe, just stfu nigga
 * Also, what Jette and that IP said. - Mini Me   talk  08:34, 15 June 2010
 * im not trolling through endless clicks of random button to' find 1, not am i going to dig in his contribs o and btw m checking history if that was you or unsigned PA. | o and racist reference is racist i kno that what happened in 300, but the fact is, he didnt say "people"
 * You are beating a dead horse. Give it a rest. Even if he did come up for another RfA, he would pass. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  11:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1 2 3. Knowledge is power. - Auron 12:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're not going to find real evidence or give up? Continue failing then, it's amusing. Also, "ohnosomeonesaidniggerimgoingtogocrytomommy" zzz grow a fucking pair.--User Oneshot O.JPG h.      moo.  14:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Why
Has Auron maintained Sysops status? Wyn lost Sysops after 10 'votes' towards RfR, and yet, auron has 11, and is maintaining sysops. If you come merely to troll and deny that your troll god should lose his sysops status, go away, i havent the time to deal with you. My last statement on this talk page actually had some relivant reasons (eg. those given by poke) i would like legitimate discussion again &mdash; Scythe  23:42, 5 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * are you the guy that thinks movie references are racist? serious question. - Auron 23:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wyn resigned amidst drama that consisted of more than "10 'votes'" in an RfRecon.
 * Also, keep in mind that RfRecons don't remove sysop status; they trigger another RfA for the respective admin. -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle 23:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * no Auron i dont think movie references are racist, only the racist ones i consider racist &mdash; Scythe  0:00, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * riddle, then we are fighting a pointless battle &mdash; Scythe  0:00, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's "we?" And if it's pointless, why aren't you cutting your losses? -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle 00:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel you are in a "battle" with Auron... You need to take a step back. Reconfirmations are not about battles or grudges or punishments, they are about whether or not someone has been using the sysop tools appropriately. - Tanetris 00:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "we" are those who realize what auron is doing
 * the "battle" is getting more votes than Auron's Fan Club
 * also, &mdash;  Scythe  0:44, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly I don't have a great opinion of Auron either as he blocked me once, but scythe your three reasons for reconfirmation are incedibly weak. In two of those three cases the user was a troll so Auron had every right to neglect/revert his comments. In that other case, comparing somewhere to Wyn isn't a personal attack unless you think it is.--The Emmisary 00:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, you are either the most thin-skinned person on the entire internet, or you just want Auron's sysop tools revoked and weren't able to find better links. Those are seriously abysmal examples of policy violations.
 * God, people need to go get hobbies or something if this is the type of shit that outrages them now. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:52, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * Well, either that or you're a terrible troll. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:54, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * 1) i dont troll, it bores the shit out of me
 * 2) at the time those were in his last 5 contribs *character definition*
 * &mdash; Scythe  1:06, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, just grow a tougher skin and move on. I hope you're still prepubescent, because if you're not, you're homeschooled outlook on aggression is going to cause you some extreme crises. Moratorium wouldn't even begin to describe your imbalanced perspective. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:21, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * Karate Jesus although Scythe is engaging in a rather pointless arguement, that does not give you the right to engage in personal attacks. Just leave it alone if you can't control your rage.--The Emmisary 01:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * fyi, KJ, im in the NHS deff not homeschooled, learn who you insult, before you do. I'm sorry, but trolling =/= aggression.  I asked for Auron Fanbois to not come here, plz comply &mdash;  Scythe  1:36, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Emmissary, +1 &mdash; Scythe  1:36, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Emissary, if you'd understood my comment, you would understand that it wasn't a personal attack. I was suggesting that a person who hasn't entered into a stage of crisis concerning displays of aggression and hasn't realized that internet morality and real-life morality are two very different things isn't developmentally sound and should seek counseling to exit moratorium. Being prepubescent would actually be a good thing in this case, suggesting that his frontal lobe simply hasn't developed well enough to recognize the difference between unabashed aggression and harmless internet douchebaggery. Not being able to separate the two is unhealthy and presents a poor developmental model for the majority of life's crises.
 * That's all I was saying. It was actually rather friendly... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:37, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * Ily Jon.
 * its ok KJ, dont address me, ignore me, you are done here. &mdash; Scythe  1:41, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * young padawan. Just because he disagrees with how you view him, doesn't mean you can *ban* him from a page on a wiki that isn't even yours. :>
 * Ily2, iffy. And you can sink to ad hominems all you want (I wouldn't expect any less from someone bragging about being in the National Honor Society as if it were an exclusive club), but I would recommend dropping this as many have told you on this talk page. I am in no way a fanboy of Auron, and although he and I work together on PvX, we rarely see eye-to-eye. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:44, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * AGF* 76, with a mere 2 edits, both being here, you are the "young padawan" and i'm not "banning" him, if hes done talking to me, hes done with this section. (or not)
 * 1) why would i drop what i see as a serious issue?
 * 2) i in no way elevated the position of being a member of the NHS.
 * 3)i apreciate some1 finally taking this seriously &mdash; Scythe  1:48, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Who's taking this seriously? Everyone who has commented in this section so far besides yourself has suggested that you're misguided in pushing this. How do you not see that? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:50, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * you were taking this seriously, until now &mdash; Scythe  1:53, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, this conversation has obviously hit an impasse, as you no longer seem to be living in a realm where personal fault is plausible. I'll exit now and just hope that you re-read this section in an effort to gain more objectivity and understanding. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:57, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * objectivity is what started this, also giving up so soon? Assuming You've Won? your that conceited? &mdash; Scythe  1:58, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop it Scythe. You are angry because you got banned from IRC for being a pain in the ass. IRC has nothing to do with the wiki, other than it's populated by people who at one time or another were editing here. Please just drop it. It's up to the Bcrats to decide if Auron has enough signatures to require an RfR. If you have a complaint, email them and stop with the constant wiki drama. I resigned because it was time for me to resign and move on to something else. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Wyn, if i may ask, who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?
 * 2) This has nothing to do with IRC
 * 3) in my understanding, you resigned to end the drama, a respectible course of action. Why cant auron do the same?
 * &mdash; Scythe  2:08, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that we were in a competition; however, if it will make you feel better, why don't we say you won? How's that sound? Oh, and also it's going to start raining chocolate chip cookies, Auron is going to have his sysop tools revoked and be severely beaten, Ellen Page told me that she's coming by your place later to give you the best blowjob on the planet, and perception is reality regardless of how befuddled it is by hormones and age-defining entitlement. Enjoy your evening. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">02:13, 6 August 2010  (UTC)
 * 0/10 sociopathic behavior, very auron &mdash; Scythe  2:16, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, everyone drop this for now. It's going nowhere and tempers are flaring. --JonTheMon 02:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * no, and who's tempers? &mdash; Scythe  2:21, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Scythe you are not in a position to be continuing this argument at this time. You have already been considered for a ban. (In good faith) I don't want anyone to be banned now either. Just let this go and come back with a cooler head.--The Emmisary 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * who has considered me for a ban? Auron? That would be abuse of power, seeing as he is the core context of this debate.  Also, if i come back they will just flame again, i want this to be over this time. &mdash;  Scythe  2:33, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * 1 Also, if you really want him to lose his sysop privileges, you should dig deeper. He's done plenty of shit that would actually give you a chance of people supporting your little crusade. - Mini Me   talk  05:23, 6 August 2010

. Now, it's actually fine to remove personal attacks and trolling from your own user talk page, and guess what? Auron removed trolling from his own talk page, so he didn't break a single policy there.
 * Hi.
 * What is Auron doing, exactly? &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 17:19, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Auron is disruptive, trolls, breaks policy, and if you dont agree with him, he will shun you. &mdash;  Scythe  17:39, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Auron's a troll, but that doesn't mean he isn't overall good for the wiki. Scythe, either shut up and stop QQing about something on the internet, or do your research and PROVE something. I thought the Honor Society would have taught you that.
 * I was actually denied entry into NHS in high school due to a "lack of moral character." [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Overall, I think you've turned out for the better. Think of what it could have been! All the hard work in high school and college? HA! At least you're not high strung and completely single-minded when you hate someone. :>
 * 76, welcome to the admin notice board, i suggest you stop your antics, lest the lengthen the time of the ban you deserve. Also, saving a few grand on college is pretty awesome, and you get a discount on car insurance, there *is* a reason i accepted the invitation.  &mdash;  Scythe  17:57, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Scythe, I don't think you're actually aware of this, but Gwfanatic was a troll account, trying to troll Auron. Auron is too smart to fall for that, so he requested (you can't break policy while requesting something, apart from GWW:NPA) that Gwfanatic never posted on his talk page again. Gwfanatic chose to ignore this, and continued to troll Auron.
 * There's a little line in there, though, and it appears you conveniently chose to ignore it: "Content in your user space that violates policy may be removed by an administrator"
 * There's a little line in there, though, and it appears you conveniently chose to ignore it: "Content in your user space that violates policy may be removed by an administrator"
 * Also, it's not very nice that you consider comparing someone to Wynthyst a personal attack.
 * You'll probably ignore all these points and say that I'm trolling, but I'm not, you're just wrong. Goodbye. - Mini Me   talk  17:58, 6 August 2010
 * why would i ignore your legitimate cases against my argument? this is exactly why i started this section. The edit against gwfanatic was a threat, which is why Wyn was RfR'd, same goes for auron, no exceptions.  and in my perspective, "we dont need more Wyn's" is a negative statement against Wyn.  Did i ignore you? no.  Did i say you were trolling? no. &mdash;  Scythe  18:04, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Errr, no it wasn't. How was that a threat? Telling someone to stop posting is a threat? He didn't say "stop posting or I'll ban you" or something.
 * I can see why you consider that a negative statement against Wyn, I disagree, however I may be a bit biased because I don't really like Wyn myself :3.
 * Also, thanks, I guess. It's a new experience. - Mini Me   talk  18:08, 6 August 2010
 * i consider to be a threat
 * meh
 * yw &mdash; Scythe  18:11, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's take a hypothetical: Person 1 and 2 are in a bar. Person 1 gets drunk, drinks some more, goes to the hospital, almost dies of alcohol intoxication. Person 2 says: "You're a fucking retard. Drinking/being overall retarded is bad. In fact, don't do it again" That's not a threat, it's simply saying stop doing the retarded thing you're doing. Taking things completely out of context, like, say, an IRC dispute, is stupid. But continuing to try to get your point across when you have no point is, say, like drinking too much at a bar.
 * 76, 1) not signing dosnt hide who u r 2) "Person 1 & 2" are a simulation, im taking it in no way personally 3) i would consider this slightly different.  Person a takes a huge gulp of a slushie or sumtin, gets brain freeze Person 2 laughs & insults, ostracizes  person 1.  Person 1's brainfreeze goes away, person 1 takes another sip.  &mdash;  Scythe  18:23, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point, so I shall make it clear. You're being retarded, a fucking child, overall a retard, <insert whatever word the NHS uses instead of retarded>, oh, and petty. But hey, take another sip if you want.
 * go ahead, escalate my case against you on the admin Noticeboard, your amusing me, but hey, drink some more if you feel like it. Also, im not a carebear, nor am i a conformist, being the only one making these points wont stop me.  You calling me retarded, childish, or petty, has no hold over me.  Also, stay away from the NHS, you obviously have no clue who they are. &mdash;  Scythe  18:29, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no verb in that sentence and it irritates me that you'd bring up your being in your NHS as a counterargument while being unable to manage basic sentence construction. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 4:14, 8 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Back on subject, then!
 * How is Auron disruptive? I think that what you are doing now is probably the most "disruptive" thing happening on wiki.
 * How does Auron troll? Can you provide a link to Auron overtly trolling a user?  Or maybe one of him covertly trolling a user (after all, he must be a pretty good troll to fly under the radar and/or bridge this long, no)?  Can you explain how he does things with the intent of sparking controversy?  Or are you just blowing smoke?
 * How does Auron break policy? This one should be easy to evidence if it does, in fact, happen.
 * And, lastly, if I don't agree with Auron, he will shun me? I'm flat out calling bullshit on this one, because Auron and I disagree almost every time we talk on this wiki (if you won't take my word for it, I can dig up some of them for you), and I don't feel shunned in the least.  In fact, Auron's one of the – if not the single – most objective users that I know on the wiki.
 * tl;dr what everyone else on this page has said. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 4:14, 8 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * And, lastly, if I don't agree with Auron, he will shun me? I'm flat out calling bullshit on this one, because Auron and I disagree almost every time we talk on this wiki (if you won't take my word for it, I can dig up some of them for you), and I don't feel shunned in the least.  In fact, Auron's one of the – if not the single – most objective users that I know on the wiki.
 * tl;dr what everyone else on this page has said. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 4:14, 8 Aug 2010 (UTC)

lol
 * The fact that Auron failed to get sysop status the first time because people were concerned about him and he is probably the most legitimately contested sysop due to his own admission he is a troll, I think the only thing these requests for reconfirmation are establishing is that the system to remove bad sysops is horribly broken. People don't even bother trying to get rid of Auron any more not because he's a good sysop but because the system is broken. The standard to promote a sysop is higher than the standard to keep one. 110.32.21.167 07:27, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's not broken. The requirements to stay a sysop are the same as when becoming one. Everything else would be highly wrong. It makes no sense when a sysop is promoted with a clear support, but then 4 or 5 people would be able to remove his sysop status later just by voicing their opinion. Instead we make those 4 or 5 people trigger a new RfA which then works the same as the initial promotion. poke | talk 11:41, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * @ Raine, You have asked many questions while i was on vacation, allow me time to answer them. I did not bring up the NHS as a counter-argument  i brought them up simply as proof of character, and personality definition.
 * he is an admitted troll, i see no requirement for links there User:Auron maybe? He stirs up so much shit that he is more disruptive than this could ever be, and he breaks policy routinely (see Special:Contributions/Auron)
 * capishe? &mdash; Scythe  20:37, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * You are going to actually have to be more specific if you want me or the other bureaucrats to take your complaints seriously. Linking to someone's contribution list won't really do the trick unless they have like 5 contributions, all trolling. Let's have a look at some recent contributions of his, this doesn't seem to be a breach of policy. Oh look, simply linking to all his contributions was insufficient. <font color="#A55858">Misery  07:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Realist - "the system is broken." Idealist - "No, it's not broken." /laugh <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="black">Sardaukar  03:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Rofl, there are people on gww who think they aren't trolls?--168.122.167.207 03:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 2/10. If you're going to be a bad troll, do it somewhere else, yeah?  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  6:38, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)

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