Talk:Dye

Mixed Dye
I recently found 2 vials of dye[mixed] in my storage and i know about all the updates, but wouldnt those dyes have been removed from the game? Cassius 14:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No. The already existing dyes already exists, like the Dye removers. MithranArkanere 15:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Dye remover = Gray Dye??
How does dye remover = Gray dye, I thought all new armor was dyed Gray and that all the colors before the new dye were the armors true undyed color? Does anyone have any dye remover to test this with? -- Scourge   04:34, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

According to the guild wars website, dye remover was taken out of the game and replaced with gray dye. The base color for all armour is now gray and so using grey dye will take it back to its origional state therefore there is no need for dye remover. Peter 07:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Though, it is true that the game still uses the old base colors as base colors, easily seen with a slow comp like mine :P It first loads the armor with old base color, then applies the dye formula on it. So I wouldn't say gray dye = dye remover but they work similarly now, restore armor to the bought color. (except in some cases like ranger druids armor etc where the bought color was another than the base color.) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  18:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Truth is that the dye system is somehow messed up now. Textures haven't changed. So the default colors stick under the dye. And, worst, if you apply two or more dyes, they get mixed with the base color. The current system would work wonders if textures where changed to replace base colors with material colors (leather, cloth, metal) but as they currently are, it only makes harder to dye as we want, depending on armor. Ranger, Monk and Ritualist may have no problems dyeing, but that's due to their base colors looking exactly as heir armor materials color: Leather for rangers, and cloth for monks and ritualiists. Other professions will sure have problems, specially elementalists, with that base purple getting mixed with any combination. Bringing back dye remover would solve nothing. There are only two solutions:
 * Fix the dye system to ignore base color.
 * Rework the armor textures to replace base colors with raw material colors.
 * Making both and bringing back dye remover would be great too. MithranArkanere 12:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Dye remover has been removed from the game. So you can no longer buy it from NPC's. However I have heard that dye remover is still in the game but only if you had it before the change (same with mixed dye viles). So it would be hard for most people to try this out as dye remover is rare. Now as Anja said when the new armor first loads it has the base color but then changes back to Grey. There are currently many bugs in the dye system (such as the Synthetic black dye at the bottom of this page which does work on tanned hides btw) and I do think that they need to work on the dye system to make it more efficent (such as allowing you to dye the entire outfit). Shadowphoenix


 * I would also like to add it was possible to mix dyes with dye remover to get neon colors as I am wearing a Neon Green that I got mixing green with a Dye Remover. If you mixed them Right U get a light bluish dye IN A DYE REMOVER BOTTLE. If mixed wrong u get a really darkish red purple in a dye bottle. I wanted to add that Also. Grey and Dye Remover are to TOTALLY different objects and they change dyes differently when mixed. --Mithos Agar 04:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Mixing
Can you mix Gray dye with other dyes?? ^,.,^Teo^,.,^ 18:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course :) Just buy one from a merchant and mix away ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  18:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

thx... was a bit confused. ^,.,^Teo^,.,^ 18:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes you can even sell it to the dye merchant for 25gold. But it seems that buth the gray and the silver die makes something similar to the Chaos axe coloring, changing the result a bit. For example, and Necromancer armor, that has a base red, will turn into a greenish color. MithranArkanere 12:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Stupid...
Why vandalise pages? so stupid.. ^,.,^ Teo ^,.,^ User Talk:Teo 22:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's actually kind of funny --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.204.198.205 (talk).

Gold Dye
Hasn't the system changed? Somehow, I don't think 'Sweet 1' makes sense anymore. If that's old, shouldn't it be removed from guildwiki? Plus, that was TOTALLY not the REAL gold... the real gold was much more expensive to make, as it had black in there somewhere :) And remember, dyeing something dyed now overwrites the old dye.

What are other people's opinions?

68.163.101.49 07:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Isit


 * Someone accidentally reverted the article to the wrong revision when those comments about gold dye were added in. And as for the old system, the "real" gold depended upon what armor you were dying, as the base colour affected the end result. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"The item is named 'Vial of Dye [color]' where color indicates the color of the dye."
For a long time, dyes were named "color Vial of Dye" (the color word at the end, in bracelets) The german translation always used to be like that...looks like the english version now does the same ... —Zerpha The Improver 11:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Metalic using Silver Dye
The article lists using Silver to make many non-metalic items - such as cloth items to make them more metalic looking. I strongly disagree with this statement, as no reflective quality is added to the item. All silver does in enhance the contrast of the color and often make the color seem bolder. Does anyone else agree? LeFick 17:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Silver is just a type of grey collor, it may give 'metallic' appearance in some cases, but not always, the problem is how dyes mix when two or more are used, and they mix with the item's base color, so we can't really test how silver works until they fix that first. MithranArkanere 17:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Grey dye on weapons
Okay.. so "grey dye" is good for returning armors back to their original color.. but what about weapons? Especially all the new EoTN weapons that have a special color to begin with.. Example. Dragon Spire Staff, how can we get that pink back if we dye it with red?!?! Dye remover please.. unless someone happens to know a secret way of getting the dye color back.. 『♥LadyTemp♥ 』  23:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You should put that in the suggestion page. But, almost all items have a 'base' color. For example, for most warrior items, it's yellow. You just need to pick one color of each, and try them with the dye preview panel, one of those will work, even if it do not lokk exactly the same. MithranArkanere 12:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Dye Rarity
The page says that Blue is one of the rarest "common" dyes and thus is most sought after. I've got to say that, in the past few MONTHS Red has held that spot (with the exception of Black and White it's the most expensive dye from the trader). Should the note be updated or removed? --Cjad the Nord 15:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Common dye rarity depends on fashion. When white first appeared, amny people used white. Now they went back to black. I bet all common dyes have the same drop rate. But people just like some of them more. For example, many people use now white or gray for mixing instead if silver (which add buggy tincture effects) so silver went down prices. Fashion. Just that. MithranArkanere 20:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * iawtc. I think it should be removed because the assumption makes very little sense. Blue and red are popular colours so you'd expect them to be used more, hence the inflated price at the trader. In my personal experience, the dyes that drop most commonly for me are brown and blue. I have about 50 brown in the bank, but only 20 blue, because I use them all. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 04:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have saved almost all of the dye that I have had drop in the past 8 months. With the exception of using some while on my primary armor, and giving away about a half dozen red and purple, I would say the blue and red are both defineitley more rare than yellow, brown, orange or green. I can offer more specific data if you like. However, comments on drop rates should be backed up with hard imperical data. And as for black and white, I avarage 3 black to every white. LeFick 17:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can always start a Drop research section in this very talk page. I recall reading something about rarity in a guide... that guide stated that from orange to black, dyes had increased rarity. I can only say that orange brown and purple are the most common for me. MithranArkanere 19:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We can always ask one of the ANet people. >_> - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Getting "class colors"
I would find it helpful if the article contained data on which dye mixes to use to get the "class colors" when mixing. I considered adding that data myself, but I don't enough data at this point. Here's an example on what it would look like:
 * Yellow (or Yellow + Orange?)
 * Yellow + Green
 * Blue + Silver (or Blue + White?)
 * Green + Grey
 * Purple
 * Red + Orange (or Red?)

--CJNyfalt 10:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You can see the base colors in the armor galleries. Those pictures provided by Anet show only base colors... well... they did until Eye of the North. Eye of the North ones are shown dyed in red. The rest are like this:


 * Yellow
 * Brown
 * Brown
 * Red
 * Green
 * Purple
 * Blue
 * Brown
 * Yellow
 * Blue
 * That's why Ranger, Monk and Ritualist gear dye better than the rest. Brown affect less final results. But the real solution would be to fix the dye system so they do not get mixed with the other dyes when two or more are mixed. MithranArkanere 13:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it seems that I should have explained what I meant with "class colors" better. Sorry. Still that table is valuable, at least until they fix the mixing bug. What I'm after is info on how to get armor the same color as the class icons (dull green - necro, purple - mesmer, cyan - ritualist ...). --CJNyfalt 05:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It also depends on what armor you're trying to dye. The old base colours still affect the outcome in some cases. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 05:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's not as hard as could be seen. In general terms, you get the 'base color' quite efectively if you mix three times the 'base' color of the armor with grey or white. That do not work always, but gets a mix quite close to the base color. MithranArkanere 12:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The chart's slightly wrong, Ranger armor is yellow. Aldarik 04:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Old Black Dye
I was wondering if anet ever plans to bring back the old black dye. Long ago it was made much much darker, to the point where it covers up most of the details on some armor. Some people dislike the new black cause how dark it shows up on most armor (especially derv). Since it's all a matter of taste, it would've made more sense if the new black was just introduced as a new dye instead of completely removing the old version. Now some people keep old black-dyed armor as a souvenir, since it's not available anymore :x Will it ever come back into the game? P A R A S I T I C 08:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is because the entire dye system was changed. Instead of a default color (yellow for warrior, green for mesmer, purple for Elementalist, etc) all armor starts out at grey as default, and this has changed how dye responds to armor; it has made some old colors impossible, and has opened new possibilities for new colors. I think it's unlikely to ever be reverted, as well. Clan Yumemiru 09:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember being told that all old colours are still possible... 122.104.227.205 12:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, they're not. The base color is a factor in how a piece of armor responds to dye (and the type of armor is, as well; some sets dye out much different than others fior a given dye color/cominbation!!) and the new gray base color has changed how pieces get dyed. Clan Yumemiru 12:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Some dye options are not available anymore. i have a set of elite iceforged armor that's color (a bright gold) that cant be replicated anymore. -TehBuG-
 * CY is correct: The upgrade to the dye system means that some of the "old" colours are not attainable, but a large number of other hues that were previously unseen are now attainable. In other words, the new system actually introduces many more options for colours, and due to the technical improvements that the system offers, we will not be reverting to the old system. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 03:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The new dye system is really bad when it comes to mixing though. Some work OK on some armors, but some just cannot have mixed dye on them without looking faded out and crappy. --Deathwing 05:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Some armors/weapon types make for poor dye candidates, agreed. (Asuran Shields for example, tend to come out really dull and understated) ...but sometimes it just requires a litte more experimentation and lateral thinking. For instance, "standard" mixing on Ancient Armor can lead to faded and washed-out colors; try mixing with orange on it and see the results .... Clan Yumemiru 13:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I played around with black dye on my assassin which still has the old black on his armor and found that 2 or 3 black + 1 grey comes very close to the old black. I'm not sure if this will work for all classes though... --EraDKtor 10:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That works with Assassin because assassin's base is blue, and blue is 'friendly' with black. That won't work on a warrior armor whith is yellow base. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Synthetic Black Dye
I have found a synthetic black dye recipe that only works on warriors and necromancers. I would like to know why that is. The recipe is Green + Purple. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.187.146.172 (talk).
 * That is actually due to a bug in the dye system that make some skins add the base color to the mix: Purple+Yellow(base warrior)= Brownish + Green = Darker Brown. MithranArkanere 01:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow my first post i almost forgot about this lol --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * but Purple + Green is a good replacement for black when you want to darken any other colors

Prices
Is dye really that cheap? I thought it was worth a lot more! Could someone please verify? Jabbafett 03:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merchant value is 1 gold. We don't list dynamic prices here. To buy them it is a lot more. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 06:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * K, thanks =^) Jabbafett 23:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Applying Dye Twice
If you apply dye twice you'll get a message saying "All dyes may not be the same color" But, on my case in these Obsidian Shoes [Female Elementalist], you put a silver dye on them, and it becomes a very bright silver, is this the true silver, or is it the mix between silver and gray? Because when I put on the second silver dye, the color changes drastically, you can definately tell the difference between 1 and 2 dyes, I wonder, if the statement "All dyes may not be the same color", is falty? I'm not sure, someone put the answer up here!--Rella 03:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That comes due to the 'appl more than one dye' bug. The result of mixing two or more dyes is different, and it get mixed with the base color of the armor (or the hue of the colors changed, like the way the Chaos Axe dyes). Because of that, two dyes would not the same as one single dye. For example:
 * Grey+Silver in a female Fanatic armor do NOT dye it gray+silver. The result will be: Green+Gray+Silver=Dark Green. In this case, the base color - red - change its hue and then is mixed with the rest of dyes. If you see the Chaos Axe dye chart, the hue change for red dye is green.
 * Yellow+Silver in a Female Krytan Elementalist armor do NOT dye it yellow+silver(gold). The result will be: Yellow+Purple+Silver=Khaki. In this case, the base color - purple - gets mixed with the rest of dyes.
 * But they do not let mixing two of them, probably because they though that the new system would work correctly, although it do not. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Add Mixed Dye To Article
I have 5 Vials of Mixed dye in Game and I want it mentioned in the Article as of a Screen Shot in the article itself. If not Then Ill do it myself as it IS DYE and any type of dye has to be mentioned in article. --Mithos Agar 15:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Mixed dye is historical content, like all items that dropped once but no longer drop. Since it can no longer be obtained, it can only exist in the wiki as a 'historical content' page. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 12:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Historical content content page eh. So ur telling me a item this item cant be used now with the newer content and that they don't exist anymore in game......Na I think I have a screen shot of it and it can be used in the color combination with the current dyes. Event if they don't drop anymore doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How about The Everlasting Candy corn Tonic Only ONE has every dropped in the game so can it be added to the historical page. O let me rephrase that Add victory tokens to the historical content page they don't drop anymore eh. As you can see I have a F*ing problem with this because a item wont drop anymore DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST. I DEMAND it be added to the page as this item STILL can be used in game with the current dyes. --Mithos Agar 20:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Victory tokens WILL be available again in next PvP or Factions events, like MOST event items. Mixed dye cannot be acquired again, in any other way but players that kept them. They can only be added to this page as a note, with a warning about scams. And I think they are already added like that. Mixed dyes cannot even be sold to traders. They exist, but you cannot longer mix dyes like before. Anyways, why do you save mixed dye for? Everyone complaining about storage and you save useless mixed dyes? Oh, my...Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 23:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

We save mixed dyes for dye mixes that is impossible to get in game. A mix dye can stand for multiple colors and it goes deeper in the color system. Also some mixed dyes are highly valuable as I hear its impossible to get a pink mix. Hey I have a Neon green mix on my armor other players want SOOOOO Badly. Even though they dont drop there is still use for them in game, even when u cant use 4 greens to dye a armor Mixed dyes can stand for a green and a green in one bottle making it 6 greens and the current ones in the slot to get around the coloring system to further explore it. --72.178.138.105 00:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Also to make if Fair IF MENTIONED in the article I want to add a picture with a caption in the article.

Blue Dye Merchant Price
I got a blue dye that worth 25g to a merchant while my other blue dye is worth 1g to mercahnt, can anyone help me here why the prices are different?--King Ranik 10:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I think I've seen something similar to this too. Could be worth bringing up on Talk:Dye. :) Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 10:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Dye in pre-searing Prophecies carries a different price than in post-searing, but if you are going to sell dye to an NPC, you should always sell to a dye trader, not a merchant if you want to maximize the value.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 11:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Add this info to Dye? Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 12:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok.. I was mistaken, it is not a pre searing/post searing difference. I have added the following notes to the Dye page: *Dye from prior to the new dye system impletmented in the October 25, 2006 game update are worth 25 gold at the merchant, and do not stack with the current dye. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 13:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is true. I'm pretty sure I remember dye from before then being 1. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 14:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Iirc there's a difference in the dye price for those dyes which you get as a quest reward from certain quests, like the one you get from the dyr trader in Kamadan. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 14:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I tested it with dye I still have from prior to the implementation of the new dye system before posting.-- Wynthyst 14:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * what gems says appears to be right for me. I can remember that my cousin accidentally sold his black dye once prior the dye preview update for 1gold to a merch, and he another time he gave me his vials, as he didn't need them. he had two stacks of blue color, as one of them also was from the quest To Dye For with a 25gold value. &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 13:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Black Elementalist Obsidian
Why is it that the obsidian elementalist armour hasn't changed at all after the update when being dyed black? It's still having a very visible purple shade, 100% alike what it was before the update :/ Oh, and why does adding black to, lets say red, to that armour make it a brighter (but duller) shade of red instead of a darker? I don't see how this dye system has improved at all. --  Verhaze  17:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Broken Links
[Had been added to article text] broken link(s) here -- have re-tested them periodically for aproximately 5 weeks and certain link(s) return with page is expired or does not work. If any new links can be added, that would be fantastic! This is very interesting and informative GW wiki page. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cecilhead (talk &bull; contribs) at  18:37, 8 July 2008  (UTC).

little update in article
Done some minor changes to the article: Article might still need some update (rewording some sentences, sorting stuff, etc), but I'll leave that to someone else. :P Off-topic note: you cannot add two (three, four) identical color to they "mix window", but you can add "two pairs" of color, for example, red+blue+red+blue. Resulting color will be identical to a single pair one (red+blue), but will cost the double. Might have different effect due the "base color" bug, but I'm too lazy/cheap to test this myself. :P Might be worth mentioning (on notes) that you cannot "apply a dye (or mixture of) that is identical to the current one" (game shows a message saying something like "the new color is identical to the previous one"). I don't have access to Guild Wars right now, so I can't quote the exact sentence. --NIN37 05:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed duplicated note about Chaos Axe weird coloring behavior (no need to state that twice, uh?)
 * Merged info about dye price/value into just one spot (there were 3 places that mentioned merchants would buy them for 1g and traders/players would pay more).
 * Added info about minimum value trader will sell dyes as well (if it was worth mentioning they pay at least 10g, I though it would be worth mention they charge at least 100g as well).

strange problem
i was playing a little while ago and i lagged a little for a min and the shoe part of my black primeval derv armor was blue, and the shoe part of my blue ancient armor was black...and i was like wtf and so i loged of loged back on and it was the same. so i reset my comp and it was the same the dyes switched idk how or why...anyone have an idea? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.85.230.85 (talk &bull; contribs) at 04:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC).
 * You need a new graphics card.152.226.7.213 04:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * its not my graphics it was the same on my friends comp too and like 3 other people that i showed in my guild &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.85.230.85 (talk &bull; contribs) at 03:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC).
 * If you're very sure that your dyes got swapped, then it's ArenaNet you should be raising this to. -- ab.er. rant  [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Drop Rates?
Can somebody start a drop rates table for dyes with drop percentages (like what percentage of the time will u get black dye)? I would start one, but i don't know how.
 * First sign your comments, and I've heard that some areas have a higher drop rate for dyes than others; if anyone can confirm that, that would be great.--Kage No Shi Follow the rabbit if you dare... [[Image:User KageNoYugata sig.png|19px]] 23:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I thought that i did sign the comment. But ya I would also be interested in knowing if certain areas have higher drop rates than others.--Sdunnison 23:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I would like to help everybody i have been collectign dyes for 3 years now only the ones that droped while i played pve this is how many droped dyes i have now: 196 brown dyes 46 white dyes 69 black dyes 145 red dyes 286 blue dyes 287 yellow dyes 354 green dyes 238 purple dyes 378 orange dyes and 214 silver. AT this point u can see that green dyes,orange,blue,silver,brown,purple and yellow drop the most while other dyes like Black,White,Red have smaler drop rate ( Explains their cost at dye trader i guess)

I think you need a bigger graph. I've gotten more brown than anything else, orange second place,yellow third. purple 4th, blue 5th, red 6th ironically enough i've gotten black more than silver or white, but i think to get a proper graph we would need somewhere around 10000 dye drops. as it is now i have 487 brown, 466 orange, 412 yellow, 332 purple, 301 blue, 299 red, 98 black, 95 silver, 52 white. there could be a lot of reasons why our dye patters are so different though, for one the area we fight and of course luck. most of my dyes have come from istan. there's a specific area, that i can't think of the name right now, if i remember i'll come back and edit. and no i'm not selling my dyes! Materia user 19:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Red dye seems to be less rare atm, and price at trader is less than blue. Which sort of makes sense, red dye has been dropping a lot for me the past few months, with blue not so much.  So there seems to be a change in rarity/drop rate for some reason. 85.19.140.9 22:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Or because it's a part of a quest reward in The Knights Who Say Nian during the Canthan New Year, which we just had. - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  22:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Dye preview window bugged?
Has anyone else been having issues with the dye preview window recently? On certain parts of armour (e.g. male mesmer krytan gloves), the only dye effect shown is the first dye, with any other dyes or changes to the dyes in the window ignored (or shown on an entirely different piece of armour - in this case the inside of the krytan attire). Similarly, when trying to dye the krytan footwear, the first dye shows correctly, but subsequent dye changes are shown on the krytan hose with a glitched texture (the footwear remains the colour of the first dye, no matter which dyes are in the window). The mask, attire and hose of the mesmer krytan set all behave correctly... Aran Moridin 10:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Dye
http://tinypic.com/r/2j6ag6f/3 86.159.99.46
 * Uh... where? - J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|Contributions]] Talk  17:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He got his links backwards (with his post on the Afflicted Monk talk page). Regardless, I don't know what the point was. It's a random drop from pretty much anything. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 17:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I kind of thought he meant the unusual colouring of the UI (mostly a darker tint), which, unless it's more customizable than I thought, is whack, yo. | 72 {U|T|C} - 23:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's texmod. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * what i meant was http://tinypic.com/r/snibgw/4 MY BAD :p 86.158.193.200 16:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok... you got one from a dwarf... what's so special about it? Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 22:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We already established that the picture was nothing special back in Freedom Bound's first reply. Get with the times (says the texmod-ignorant guy)! | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 01:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Obsidian Dye
Made from 10 Melted Ectoplasm, 50 Vial of Ink.

Gives armor that shiny (chaos glove like) glow :) 24.16.96.202 22:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, that woulb be pretty cool :), but melted ectoplasm??? Can ecto's melt??? And why would someone od that o.O? -- Magamdy 16:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Presumably for the dye? | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 19:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Melt an ecto just for dye? That ecto would be worth like only 1/3 then. -- Magamdy 19:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless this dye was as amazing as the fellow postulated, and therefore worth much more... see? :/ | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 19:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Link to Dye Project?
Was random paging.. and it would seem sensible to have a link to the project to improve dye charts etc.. is there some wiki policy that prevents links to projects on the page that they're improving or something?.. -- Chieftain  Alex 19:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

part of trivia removed
**Most armor that were crafted without being dyed, showing their base color, were crafted with gray dye applied since then, but the base colors of the armor textures are still under the gray dye.

Cut that from the page to here. If anyone can explain what this is supposed to mean, they get a cookie and get to reinstate it. | 7 <font color="Blue">2   21:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a clue, not a clue...--Markisbeest 21:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * MithranArkanere wins. | 7 <font color="Blue">2  User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg 03:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I can rewrite that and explain it a bit... The current dye system works better when the base color is the same for all items. All Eye of the North armors and many new items have red base color. That helps the client draw better where it should. It seems that textures are not dyed, then applied to armors like other engines do, but applied to armor, then the scene is rendered, and then the dye is applied over the rendered frame. Much like that Technicolor thing for B&W movies. Since it works that way, when you play with a lower spec machine, the dye may take a little to apply, and you'll see the item with its original base color. This is even more visible when you zoom out in some machines and with some armors. You may see aliases of the base color in the borders of the item, and sometimes even patches of the base color here and there on the armor, that would not happen when zooming if the item was dyed before being applied. Maybe the patches if the textures are mipmaapped, but not the aliasing. When they changed the dye system, they didn't change the base color of the old textures. That adds up with the weird dye behavior that happens when you apply more than one dye (the color loses a lot of saturation, and sometimes even mixes with the base color). Most Eye of the North armors dye... fine enough, and the same combination of dyes will have similar effects in all of them. But having very different base colors, dye affects Prophecies, Factions and Nigthfall armors of different professions in much more different ways, and some professions have a hard time to get that precise tone than others. I still don't know why do they use those base colors instead less glitch friendly ones like other games that use similar methods to colorize parts of the screen. Basically, the line says: "When they changed the system they covered the old armors with gray, but didn't bother making sure the old armors worked properly with the new system". Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 03:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Summarized and included. Cool. Thanks. | 7  2   User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg | 04:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Serial comma (@MithranArkanere)
Suggest move to the appropriate policy page. I will leave it uncorrected until you reply or until the appropriate time has passed. | 7  2    | 18:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The current Wiki is, on the contrary, very inconsistent on serial comma usage, but wherever I have edited, I have cleaned it up to add it. At very least, it was the precedent on this page until the IP edited it.
 * 2) In many notable style guides it is certainly not against the conventional practice (the guidelines are ambivalent); sometimes it is with the guidelines. Wikipedia states that "[i]n American English the serial comma is standard in most non-journalistic writing, which typically follows the Chicago Manual of Style. Journalists, however, usually follow the Associated Press Style Guide, which advises against it." This is not the press. It adds, "...it may be recommended in some cases to avoid ambiguity or to aid prosody." You may read the rest of the article, the arguments for and against, but it is quite heavily weighed for its usage. (Even point 3 on the against is ludicrous, as any example clearly shows the conjunction isn't enough to mark the division!) In short, dropping the serial comma is a formula for some humorous Engrish and little else.
 * 3) It's impossible to play the "no revert war" card only on one side... The reply is of course "I disagree; let's have it the right way; don't start a revert war over it!"
 * Four days have passed. I have added the comma back in with an additional note in the edit summary. | 7  2   User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg | 18:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Pink Dye
Should this be added/noted? --Falconeye 04:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that it isn't tradable should probably be mentioned... Winterbay 20:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * or you can just read the in-game description 65.96.86.80 21:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Look again, it's already noted in the Notes section. --Silver Edge 21:41, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

While the description says merchant value of 50g, it also says it cannot be sold. I tried to sell a vial to a merchant npc earlier, and he wouldn't take it. If other people get the same result, the article should be updated to note that you can't actually sell it for 50g back, right? LicensedLuny 00:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Somebody should probably mention that you may not be able to trade pink dye, however other players can trade you their armor to have it dyed pink. Must watch out for scams though. →← 23:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Weeding
I did some weeding on the article. I reorganized so that primary points came first, with exceptions/notes following. I combined a number of phrases that more/less said the same thing. I tried to move most of the historically interesting info to Trivia, as it will not help current players use dye. I left most of the bug notes as they were, although I think some of them could be rephrased to clarify the issue. In general, I tried not to remove any content; if I did so, it was inadvertent in the copy/paste process while I moved phrases around.

One area that I think could be improved is specifically noting which items do not accept color; I don't think the section has to be exhaustive, but it would be good to cover all the general item types. Another area that might still be unclear is how metals, metallic materials, and non-metallic parts appear differently when applying the same dyes. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I know that rewriting these pages is a lot of time and effort. I addressed the Limitations section so that, instead of listing the things it doesn't apply to, it lists the only three things it does. (Of course, I might be mistaken.) I also merged each entry with its salient remark so it would be more concise. | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 00:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Woad issue?
Tried using pink dye on an already (RED) Norn Woad,  The pink dye had no effect in the preview window. ign Morbid Optics 173.81.64.192 01:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it didn't dye it to a very similar color? I have a bandana that came out more red than pink (and I'm guess that the Woad uses similar color mixing). I'm gonna try dying it gray and then red to compare. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 01:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Forgot to post the results. Using red dye, the bandana looks orange/red-orange. Using pink, it comes out closer to red, but very similar color. (No difference if dyed gray first or not.) As noted in the article, the material has nearly as much impact on the final colors as your choice of dyes. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 09:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Pink dye cannot always be sold to merchants
While this cannot be refuted, neither can we prove whether black dye can always be traded to merchants. On this page, there's only one contributor here who says they couldn't trade to a merchant; there have been lots of updates since that post. Also: it's possible this applies to the summoned merchant but not those in GH...or the OP meant dye traders, even though they typed Merchant.

I think we should remove the note unless we have a couple of recent reports of people being unable to sell to Merchants. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * k | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 22:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)