Talk:Jarimiya the Unmerciful

Jeremiah was a bullfrog Jeremiah -> Jarimiya ? - HeWhoIsPale 14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Skills confirmed with SoC. (January 2007) --Kalomeli (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The skill can only be confirmed with SoC. I mean, who wastes an Elite slot on Wastrel's Collapse will only be found dead. I mean, even the picture confirms that &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 22:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We really need to get a picture of this boss when its alive. I'll see what I can do as I capture it's elite. --[[Image:User_Chieftain_Alex_Chieftain Signature.png]] Chieftain  Alex 20:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Jarimiya the Unmerciful2.jpg]]--[[Image:User_Chieftain_Alex_Chieftain Signature.png]] Chieftain  Alex 21:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What about these? [[Image:Jarimiya the Unmerciful 3.JPG|200px]] [[Image:Jarimiya the Unmerciful 4.JPG|200px]] -- Michael the Perfectionist  [[Image:User-Michael the Perfectionist Signature.gif]] 19:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Jerimiah/Jarimiya Was a Bullfrog - Reference confirmed, I think
Jerimiah drops wine, both vabbian and rice. This is a reference to these lyrics:

Jeremiah was a bullfrog, he was good friend of mine. I never understood a single word he said but I helped him drink his wine. He always had some mighty fine wine. Sing it Joy to the world...all the boys and girls now, joy to the fishies in the deep blue sea and joy to you and me.

-Credence Clearwater Revival

Screen caps of his mighty fine wine in this thread: Kalidri 06:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A minor correction on your thread quote of the song's lyrics. Hoyt Axton wrote Joy to the World, although it was made famous by Three Dog Night, not Credence Clearwater Revival. -- Cybertronian 141.225.195.166 01:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC).

Dual reference?
I suspect that Jarimiya is also a refence to Jiraiya, Naruto's mentor. Jiraiya is one of the Legendary Three Ninja (in GW, ninja = Assassin) and is known as the "Toad Sage" due to his preference to summon toads of various sizes to assist him in battle. (He is also known for his love of drink and women -- the latter to the point of being perverted.) While I suspect the wine reference might come from Jeremiah was a Bullfrog, I think Jiraiya might explain the distinct spelling of Jarimiya, as well as the fact that this boss is an Assassin (despite the fact that there are no other Heket assassins). -- Cybertronian 141.225.195.166 01:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Sounds plausible, but which came first? Paddymew 06:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please no.... I highly doubt Arena.Net would name a boss after a lame anime such as Naruto. :\ - L ena  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 18:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The writer's of Naruto aren't as original as you think. I'd say this is a possible reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiraiya 98.227.89.223 04:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)



! Comparison !! GW !! Song !! Anime
 * Name || Jarimaya || Jeremiah (homonym) || Jiraiya (same vowel sounds, no em, mangled order)
 * Species || Heket (frog-like) || Bullfrog || shapeshifts into toad
 * Carry-on items || Vabbian Wine || Mighty fine wine || none listed
 * Profession || Assassin || Heavy partying || Ninja
 * First appearance || Nightfall (2006) || Hoyt Axton (1971) || Legend/Folk (early origin)
 * Popular appearance || Nightfall (2006) || Three Dog Night (1971) || Naruto (1997)
 * }
 * The two references are equally plausible in terms of corresponding points: each compares favorably with the GW boss, with the ninja-like profession giving the edge to the folk tale as source while the Vabbian Wine (in place of mighty fine wine) benefits the song. However, I think it's much more likely that the mostly American developers were influenced by an influential pop-song rather than a less well-known folk talk or its anime descendants.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * First appearance || Nightfall (2006) || Hoyt Axton (1971) || Legend/Folk (early origin)
 * Popular appearance || Nightfall (2006) || Three Dog Night (1971) || Naruto (1997)
 * }
 * The two references are equally plausible in terms of corresponding points: each compares favorably with the GW boss, with the ninja-like profession giving the edge to the folk tale as source while the Vabbian Wine (in place of mighty fine wine) benefits the song. However, I think it's much more likely that the mostly American developers were influenced by an influential pop-song rather than a less well-known folk talk or its anime descendants.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * }
 * The two references are equally plausible in terms of corresponding points: each compares favorably with the GW boss, with the ninja-like profession giving the edge to the folk tale as source while the Vabbian Wine (in place of mighty fine wine) benefits the song. However, I think it's much more likely that the mostly American developers were influenced by an influential pop-song rather than a less well-known folk talk or its anime descendants.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd say influenced by a song. So many don't know anime as much as music, to be honest. ♥ Ariyen ♀ 18:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Path of least fighting to Jarimiya the Unmerciful
The routes listed in the wiki are not the fastest way except perhaps by distance alone. The current wiki map leads you down a narrow, closed canyon with four or more kournan groups, some of which have multiple priests and clerics. The other route also indicated in the wiki, leaving from Yahnur Market, is also packed with fighting and heavy, annoying conditions. If you want to get to Jarimiya in the fastest, most efficient way, then leave the Kodash Bazaar via the Forum Highlands exit in the main plaza of the Bazaar. If you stay to the left (eastern) wall, you will only encounter two weak hecket groups (easy even in HM). There is still one Kournan group you must fight upon entering Vehtendi Valley, but it is right outside the safe little haven of friendly npcs, so should be no problem fighting. Also, be sure to use the narrow path hugging the right (western) wall of Vehtendi Valley in order to bypass the Ritualist Boss who is slightly closer than Jarimiya. That way you can minimize fighting just to Jarimiya and his gang. --Rpger 04:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Jarimiya-the-Unmerciful.jpg]]

Bottle of Vabbian Wine - Yes, it ALWAYS drops
Ok, there seems to be an edit war going on. I am the one who started changing this article and the bottle article yesterday to say he "always" drops it instead of he "sometimes" drops it. A friend of mine is trying to collect stacks of every consumable item. I sometimes spend time farming Bohdalz the Furious. Whenever I go, I take the time to head down the ramp and also kill Jarimiya. I do this for two reasons - one is to get the wine for my friend, and the other is to have a convenient counter of how many runs I've done. I have solo'ed Jarimiya at least 70 times now. He always drops one Bottle of Vabbian Wine assigned to me when I'm the only party member and when I'm alive within radar range. (If I mess up and get killed and the spirits kill him before I can run back from the res shrine, then he doesn't drop wine for me. But that's normal for any drop of any sort - they're not assigned to you if your party is wiped out waiting to res or if you're not within ~radar range.)  When I've killed him with h/h on the team, I do not always get the wine. Like other drops, there's a chance they're assigned to any party member, and you don't see the drops assigned to h/h. He sometimes drops a Bottle of Rice Wine, too, but this is more random chance. I don't get rice wine every time I kill him. Perhaps the confusion between always drops it and sometimes drops it comes from people mistaking vabbian wine for rice wine if it's not coming from people who don't understand the drop may have been assigned to a hero or henchie. So, in summary, I've solo'ed Jarimiya at least 70 times, and he has dropped one bottle of vabbian wine for me every time my character is standing within radar range of his death. Sometimes, but not every time, he will also drop a bottle of rice wine, too. LicensedLuny 19:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that when you kill Jarimiya with the help of the Vabbian Guards that are by the Forum Highlands portal, you might not see a Bottle of Vabbian Wine drop, which might mean it is assigned to one of the Vabbian Guards, since I didn't bring any heroes or henchmen and I was attacking Jarimiya at the time of his death. This happened to me twice. This would mean that drops could also be assigned to nearby non-party member allies (i.e. the ones that don't appear in the party window). --Silver Edge 06:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's consistent with other areas. If you farm with Rurik (in various missions), Rurik will get the drops. Some people have speculated that it depends who depletes the most health, e.g. if the NPC(s) are responsible for 55% of the damage, they get the drop. My limited testing couldn't determine the exact %, but whenever I left Rurik to kill stuff (but stayed nearby), no drop. Whenever I was involved in doing lots of damage, I got drops.


 * It's wiki custom to avoid repeating in an article basic info that appears elsewhere (e.g. on the drop page), but people seem to be confused about what "always drops wine" means for Jarimiya. Maybe it's because there are so few "always drops" items in the game. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 08:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting! I didn't know the NPCs other than h/h can get drops, too.  (The drop page doesn't mention non-party NPCs getting drops.)  I usually wind up killing Jarimiya pretty far away from those NPC guard patrols.  So the vast majority of my "testing" doesn't test that possibility.  I have pulled him up to get the guards' help once or twice (usually when I'm in HM and/or I mess up and aggro another group with a second monk.)  Even then, I always got Vabbian wine from him if he died while I was alive.  LicensedLuny 17:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I just killed this guy twice with H/H in nm and with out the help of vabbian npc's. He drop nothing both times. Very frustrating. I am changing the article from always to often. --Saxon 00:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * He did not drop this 3rd run either, so I took a screen shot. --Saxon 00:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[[Image:Jarimiya the Unmerciful Didn't Drop Rice Wine.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]


 * Wait, H/H were... or were not present? (I can't tell from your screenshot.) If they are present, then you have only a 1/8 chance of seeing the wine. The presence of the vabbians can also reduce the chance. Or, to be explicit:
 * 100% drop rate: you are the only nearby toon participating in the killing.
 * 25% chance: several vabbians participate
 * 12.5% chance: killed with full set of h/h
 * ~8% chance: full set of h/h + several vabbians.
 * Unless you solo'd the boss, you shouldn't expect an automatic drop. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 01:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay I just solo'd it with my ranger and it did drop. This just needs to be more clear on the page. --Saxon 04:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for going back to see the difference and thank you for updating the page. (I think the current version reads well.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 05:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)