User talk:Tha Reckoning/FAIL

Suggestions
 (res sig) - Healer's such as monks and resto ritualists shouldn't have any form of resurrection in pvp. (Whammos) - Also, Healing Hands.   (sins) - Also, Assassin's Promise, Flashing Blades.  (Over-extending) - It's viable in some situations, however not suggested if you're a squishy, or you aren't going to kill something in about 10 seconds. If the other team has a monk, it isn't the best of ideas to do, but if it kills the healer, it isn't a huge problem. But yes, over-extending is, generally, bad. Healers healing over-extenders shouldn't quene WoH, as that makes them interrupt bait.  (eles) - Also, Lava Arrows, Conjure Frost, Conjure Flame, Conjure Lightning, Icy Shackles, Flame Burst, Inferno, Lightning Strike, Sliver Armor, Obsidian Flesh, Stone Daggers. (My god, there's a lot of bad ele skills out there.)   (necro) - Flesh golem.   (targeting) - Don't attack pets either, pls.   (rambo) - No "ramboing", agreed, generally. </li>  (Kiting / pre protting) - Actually, if it's arenas and the enemy melee on you is the last one alive, for the love of god, don't kite them, just block and stand still so your melee can actually kill them. >_> I've had problems with this. Unless you're bad and can't last ~ 10 seconds with guardian, just let your allies bash the last one standing to pieces. </li>  (Derv healing) - I've had some good dervish healers, but yeah, monks are typically better. </li>  (pve/pvp) - MM's are viable in AB. (if you consider that a type of pvp.) Spirits are viable, just don't get dshotted like a moron. I can't count how many times I've used a longbow to dshot early spirits in arenas. Massive lols. </li>  (ele targeting) tbh, with the /me distortion meta, attacking a heavily armored melee isn't bad if it's on your enemy monk. But generally, yeah, blow up the easy stuff first. </li>  (hex removal) You don't need two in arenas, and if you 40/40 set your hex removal, it shouldn't be a huge issue. </li> </ul> I know you only asked me what was missing, but putting it like this was easier. =P ~Ryuu [  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 21:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, hard reses are usually bad. ~Ryuu [[Image:User_Ryuu_Desu_Sig.png|18px]][  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 21:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, assassin's shouldn't bring multiple lead attacks. ~Ryuu [[Image:User_Ryuu_Desu_Sig.png|18px]][  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 21:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Meleemancers ftl --Underwood 21:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

other suggestions
rewrite the entire list without bad advice like only using nukes on monks. warriors fall to nukes just as quickly - they only have bonus armor to physical damage. also, soloing players is a very viable tactic - how else would you ever deal with a flag runner or split ranger in your base? - Auron 00:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And about rez, you should add that bringing it to AB makes you look like you don't know where you are. :P - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] <font color="Black">Talk  00:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good, just needs alot more. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 01:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * you bes be trollin - Auron 01:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't shard make a better version if this ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but he may or may not have made a better version of this. ~Ryuu [[Image:User_Ryuu_Desu_Sig.png|18px]][  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 12:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Its a typo,Get back to the subject and deal with it Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  12:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No doubt that shard and auron and probably everyone else are better at PVP than me. It's not so much about advice, as letting me get some anger out. Usually I get my necro and embarrass assassins, but this works too. @ Auron, will rework it. @ Lilondra, Shard > me. @ Ryuu, lol. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 06:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Want me to help ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I want moar from shard and auron too. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment
These are things you should NEVER do in pvp. Sure, the list is extensive, but these are things I have seen. More to come. 1. Never forget Resurrection Signet and always res fast (less than 10 seconds) when someone dies. Unless you are a healer. Res sig is indeed needed in most maps.However most think this is pvp to. 2. Warriors, never bring Mending, Healing Hands, Vigorous Spirit, Live Vicariously, Word of Healing, Visions of Regret, Charge, Defy Pain, or Endure Pain. These are useless skills for a warrior. I'd say Defy pain,Charge and endure pain are pretty good skills for a warrior.Defy is ofcourse for gimmicks or ganks,Charge is fucking awesome in 4-4 split or just in a high physical team and Endure pain sees use in AB or when you like to overextend.To a certain degree yes these skills are useless and I'm guessing your targetting RA players.But then say so. 3. Assassins, never bring Shadow Form, Healing Signet, Assassin's Promise, Flashing Blades, Frenzy, or Fire Storm. You will get targeted, killed, and teabagged. Mentioning what skills not to use won't work btw.Its better to give them a list of skills that do work or even builds. 4. Do not overextend. Your monk will run to use Word of Healing on you, and probably not get there fast enough, causing you to die, and exposing your healer for an easier kill. Link overextend so people actually know what it means,remember it is supposed to be noobfriendly. 5. Elementalists, never bring Elemental Attunement, Flare, or Phoenix. You will look like a massive jackass. Izzylink not needed 6. Necromancers, do not bring Aura of the Bitch. You will piss off everyone in your immediate area. Again this statement is false in AB and especially in some gimmicks that FOCUS around this skill.In Ra this is a fact though. 7. Warriors, do not target other warriors, unless your healer pings, or you have the ability to reason sufficiently, which is very rare.Be targeting these enemies instead. Same goes for assassins. Your wrong,I target warrior's all the time.Its called backlining and if your monk sucks epic coconuts you'll like it. 8. WARRIORS, DO NOT SIT THERE AND ATTACK A MINION, WHILE A HEALER RUNS RAMPANT. YOUR HEALER IS NOT KEEPING YOU ALIVE FOR 8 MINS FOR YOU TO SWAT AT UNDEAD. ''And assassins/dervishes should do that ? :p'' 9. Do not attempt to "solo" a player, by running off, unless you are on a high enough lvl of PVP that requires vent. If not, you will die, and die the death of a moron. Not always correct. 10. Monks, do not stand still while melee attacks you. Melee pressure is too strong for that. Use your brain, and make sure to kite. Also tell them to not be bull strike food pls. 11. Dervishes, you are NOT monks. You have the most broken skill ever made, take advantage of that, at least. It shouldn't exist, but ride the bandwagon anyway, and stop pissing off your teammates with those healing builds. Actually SoGM (bugged) was :p. 12. It is called PVP for a reason, not P V E. 13. Ele's, pressure squishies. Do not waste your ridiculously overpowered skills on warriors, rangers, dervishes, or paragons, unless said enemies are either A) Morons and have opened themselves up to such an attack B) are tearing your healer a "new one". meh 14. Monks, carry at least two hex removals, ideally. Hexes are still far overpowered, and hex removals are far underpowered. True 15. NO HARD RES. In random arenas.

Lilondra  *poke*  07:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Lilondra, are you hacking me by any chance? >_> ~Ryuu [[Image:User_Ryuu_Desu_Sig.png|18px]][  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 07:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll include a lot of that, but I'm not saying AotL is okay cause it's used for gimmicks, that is against my fiber of being. And I'm keeping the izzy link, it makes me lol on rainy days =P -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Revised. Didn't include the Defy gimmick bit either. Thanks for the input, and feel free to tell me to add more numbers, just 15 is nowhere near enough, I want that page to be BIG. Thanks Lilondra -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No I'm not ryuu :p.Also Include things of what you have to do and what you shouldn't do.If something might be new to a noob explain.Get a skill list and a build list that uses these skills (similar to auron's unlockfirst).Euhm always say why you shouldn't do something and why you SHOULD do something.Then it should be fine =) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  10:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

But the Warrior was under the effects of Frenzy/Primal Rage. Minions just stand there and let me build adrenaline, rather than trying to hit all he other characters that either have block stances, I am snared, or their monk is gud with guardian. Empathic is strong on wars. --Underwood 04:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

To be fair
Dual tune air was pretty strong. It still is, except that people now bring Rend or Rip. If you go to JQ you'll oft times find people without any enchantment removal, which makes dual tunes awesome. -- Rid dle 22:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * pvp != pve - Auron 00:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Even though many people say Foster's isn't beer, doesn't make it non-beer. And JQ still is a PvP format. User talk:Interface v.v 00:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol weird, Foster is my last name. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 00:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * TBH people are that bad in those arenas that you can equal it with pve or even lower.If me and my guild have no trouble pushing them back 4 vs 6 with a oldschool build ... Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  06:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting it?
High end/low end because it is very different <font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  04:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ideas for high end? -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 05:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Idea, login to AIM. >_> High end = Don't run sup runes. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu  - talk  05:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd even disagree with that since koreans ran sup runes but in general your right.99% of the time sup runes and even major runes aren't used.People need the 600 health if they want to stand a chance to stay alive.I'd also say that you need to tell people WHAT TO DO.Just saying don't do that won't help and that is if they would listen to you. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  06:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Split, and the high end page has discussion too. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 22:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Priceless
ahahaha, man i love this cuz ALL of this crap happens WAAY too much in random arenas, like honestly. I agree with EVERYTHING on that list, lots of people who pvp should read this. Also you should add is that warrior should only use frenzy if they're smart about it, i've seen too many warriors who spam frenzy when they're being hit by high powered foes which causes them to get wrecked badly (as in 1 hit kills). By smart i mean bring rush or something as a cancel, and to not spam it. I dont know its just something i noticed and i think you could add. Brendan 01:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * lol thanks -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 02:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * haha, but yeah, the frenzy spam happens too much, u should defs add that. -- Brendan12303  [[Image:User Brendan12303 Star.jpg|20px]] 05:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just had a war wipe himself that way. 1 hit. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 05:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Moar content. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 05:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So how do you come up with no swingin while in empathy ? I mean no frenzying ? shure but no swinging ? That basicly means you allow the mesmer to shut you down with 1 hex.If your monk is being outpressured ofc you do not rapidly swing a bit but you know what I mean Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  06:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Common sense applies. And necros can shut you down with one skill. --  Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 06:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason WoD is that strong is because in RA there is no real form of support or selfheal or w/e.People just take pure offense and the only support is agressive support (hexes).And WoD is retardedly UP against warriors obv since warriors will just deal less damage for 4 seconds STILL build adrenaline so it doesn't even reduce the dps with 4/15th.Empathy,insidious and similar skills pose a much bigger threat and are simply retardedly strong in low lvl pvp since there is even less hex removal there.My point is that if you want to teach people not to fail that you should do it right.Telling them to not attack trough empathy is like telling them to sit down and stop being part of the game.I'd also like to say that CAPS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR POINT CLEAR,it only makes it more annoying to read.If you want I can mod the page,instantly revert my own edit and post the diff here Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Caps isn't about making the point clear, it makes me feel better. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the caps, they do make you feel better. I love how you worded the frenzy thing "lolexplode" and the "for the love of everything sacred and holy" i think that basically sums it up. I mean, when u have an anti melee on your ass u def have to law low, and like u said use tactical stuff like bulls strike or something, dont just spam your attacks hoping to do something. I mean i say this because 50% of the time in RA you dont have a monk so u have to be, like u said, smart about those kinda things. Especially since the warrior only has 2 healing skills and one is unfortunately bad to use in RA since it recharges your res signets. -- Brendan12303  [[Image:User Brendan12303 Star.jpg|20px]] 06:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol thanks. -- Tha Reckoning   06:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

#4
You state that overextending is a bad thing unless you do something tactical like Auron. However, Auron is bad, so are there any other reasons? -- adrin  07:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That was a cynical joke about Auron, cause he told me not to add noob stuff. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He was right ... ,Also I'd argue that Auron is bad at all especially if you check out the average skill lvl in this game.I played gvg recently and a warrior tried to solospike me with hammerbash > bull (rank 550 guild ><) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * To make my point clear,Auron would only be bad if you compared him to the top guys at GWFC (the koreans).And If you use that as an argument your bad because no american/euro trains 14-17 hours a day >< Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not disputing Auron's skill, just being a smart ass. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 07:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are wrong about something then why should he agree with you ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  11:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying he should, or that he is wrong. I'm just being difficult, there is no deeper meaning than that. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 20:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * /disagree =\ -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 20:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

dont tell me
what to do, especially when you know less than I do. --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor   <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  00:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, Derv healers ftw. You can even keep a wannabe elitist Warrior moron who goes emo just as he sees you and rushes the other team with Frenzy on alive without much effort. Stop being terrible pl0x. --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor  [[image:User Super Igor siggy.jpg|19px]] <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  00:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Prepare for itemized insults (Family Guy)
 * 1. Do not troll my page. I will verbally stomp a mud hole in your ass.
 * 2. No one asked you to read it.
 * 3. I've heard of you. You are somewhere between the white stuff that collects at the corners of a person's mouth when they are thirsty, and a cockroach (Con Air). -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 00:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Derv healers are stupid by principle, when there are professions that are made  better for healing. Dervs in the current meta are used for damage. Use them for it. --  Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 00:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop talking now. It's Igor.  The time spent talking to him is directly proportional to amount of brain cells lost.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see your point, although I would like to edit your statement. It is impossible to do anything but talk down to him. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 01:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't even do that. If you sink down to his level, he'll beat you by experience.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 01:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol I have that on my quotes page. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 01:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's actually a famous quote from somebody else, but I'll take it :P ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I quoted it from Ensign. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 01:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Shush. I have already realised you and some other users arent capable of anything but "itemized insults". Dervs have three attribute lines dedicated to party support and utility I see no reason why they shouldnt take party support roles. Infact I'd rather abuse these skills to deal big damage and not fear the blockfest in those arenas than the one you suggested. Also, explain me this clever boy These are things you should NEVER do in RA, TA, or AB. Sure, the list is extensive, but these are things I have seen. More to come. then Never forget Resurrection Signet and always res fast (less than 10 seconds) when someone dies.. Res sig in AB, orly? --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor  [[image:User Super Igor siggy.jpg|19px]] <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  10:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Most people are gifted with a quality called common sense, and it is already blatantly obvious to me that you piteously lack it. Anyone with a brain stem who has been to AB and also read the list knows not to bring a res to AB. It is a mark of the severity of the immense level of ignorance you possess that you would even take the time to point that out. In the future, instead of wasting minutes of my life and yours, just think to yourself, "this in no way benefits anything at all". If you want to run a wind prayers derv healer (lmfao) go right ahead, but don't QQ and blame everyone else when you fail miserably. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 10:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, don't be happy if you get 10 consecutive wins with a dervish healer for Tha Reckoning defies reality and creates his own. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  10:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see the above comment, I suspect it applies to you as well, almost word for word. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 10:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your creating an article for people without common sense and ask them to use common sense right after ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  18:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Igor here claims to have common sense. If he does, he can use it. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 23:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lil I was about to say that, you were faster. D: Taking Res Sig into AB is none less of a fail than taking VoR on a Warrior actually so I dont understand why you dont mention it anywhere. Also, your article clearly states that you should always take Res into AB. Also, I mustve pissed my teammates REALLY healing the through the 10 flawless win streak with a Derv, a build with no real counter is truely terrible. --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor  [[image:User Super Igor siggy.jpg|19px]]  <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  10:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I ran the build just for fun (with Veil of thorns though preventing melee from stalking you) and if your team is only semi-decent you get easy wins in RA.Then again everything works in RA.I'd like to note that ints and stupidity are the counters.Ints are not that uncommon in RA but not common enough to trash the whole build.OBV any monk healer that isn't a retard would be a better option but rly it isn't nearly as bad as I thought. Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  12:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I used D/Me in TA and got 27 win streak with a pug group that had no vocal communication. ^^ --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor  [[image:User Super Igor siggy.jpg|19px]] <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  19:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Igor, mate, you were wrong. TA and RA are no real judges of anything, as there are very few skilled players there. If I wanted to test out the efficiency of the range of a sniper rifle by shooting something five yards away, that wouldn't be a test, would it? The fact remains that dervs simply play a better role at dealing damage. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 22:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Dervs have three attribute lines dedicated to party support and utility I see no reason why they shouldnt take party support roles."


 * Igor, may I introduce you to Mr. Scythe? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But since we only take the effectiveness of derv as a healer in RA and TA it is. If I wanted to test the efficiency of a sniper rifle on a target five yars away then it would be a test, wont it? Also, Shard, what does a scythe has to do with derv's utility attributes? o__O --<font color="Red">Super <font color="Blue"> Igor  [[image:User Super Igor siggy.jpg|19px]] <font color="Black">flame my shove sin bar!  22:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay Igor, I want you to enlist in the Marines as a sniper, and test your rifle only on targets five yards away. It's a test, right? I mean, the target won't EVER be more than five yards. See you in the afterlife. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 22:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Monks, do not bring Air of Enchantment as your elite, with a full prot bar. You have no heals, only damage mitigation, and your party will corrode away beneath you. There are better elites that...... ==

It is called Fort Aspenwood. Pika Fan 10:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I find it very hard to believe that skill is useful anywhere. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 11:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It used to be meta Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  12:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was the description changed? -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 12:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought so. It was probably meta before assassins and SF and WS and hexway and all this other OP crap that only WoH can semi stand up to. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 12:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was nerfed on recharge and the minimum cost 1 thing Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  12:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nowadays I just don't believe you can stand up to the insane pressure that's in Arenas with that skill. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 21:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wel you could use it as a support smitish role I suppose Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  06:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is an idea. I love how they repeatedly nerf smiters, because they think that's what makes sins OP. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 06:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You do realise thats not why they nerf it do you ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't honestly think that Strength of Honor was overpowered at all? -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 07:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * SoH was OP because it could be stacked on peeps that already critted for over a 100 and could spam DW with little to no recharge.It was OP on every build that already used LOLOP frontline.Smiting is broken by design.And I'd say smiter's boon and smite condition just made it go trough the roof.Its because when you run more then one you have insane defense and some meh to decent offense.When hero's run them it just gets insane.My Friend I'd say that sins are *not* the reason smiter's had to be nerfed.And I think anet realises it to. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  08:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OP melee is OP. It had nothing to do with strength of honor, that was just the icing on the cake. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 08:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * SoH isn't just icing on the cake imo.However it is only worth it when you are already getting lollotsofdamage Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  13:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Granted, it does push OP melee even more over the top, but without sins and dervishes being able to lolexplode targets at will, it really would have been somewhat balanced the way it was. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think SINS were the problem at all and by that I mean non critsins.I think WE warriors,WS dervishes and frontlines like that were,The fact that you could bring it on mesmers with FC and have other awesome utility like SoJ on one bar.SoH never saw meta untill nightfall if I'm not mistaking Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  07:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly true. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 18:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Giving a list of skills not to use without explaining why you shouldn't use them in detail is useless.Instead you should give people a list of good skills/builds + a explenation and comparison to tactics that don't work. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good builds are objective, and there are very few in the current meta. Also, you're going to lol at me, but IDK how to put builds up. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 19:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Check my pve monster rebalance or zaishen one there are some templates there.And your wrong.Would you say gale warriors are good in AB ? I'm guessing no .. Watch me ;) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of stuff you can run in AB and win, I'm talking about mainly RA and TA. Also, edited with more explanations. Will have a build page up and running soon.
 * I'm not talking about winning.I'm talking about being fucking unstoppable when having a good team.They need 6 or more to take us down. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Build page is up, and generally speaking, team builds are made to be unstoppable like that. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Trappers
Sup Reckoning, cool article. How about mentioning trap Rangers in RA? They usually start the match telling the team to "not move out" while spamming traps at the door (meanwhile I facepalm IRL), ironically trapping the team inside its own base. Sometimes they bring Frozen Soil too. Trapper's team usually ends up nuked by AoE's or ranged damage and unable to res. I've had a few wins with these on my team, but mostly against teams with people who were terrible and had no means of healing, while we had, etc. - most times it doesn't seem to work though.--Sensei 19:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah I almost forgot. Eles really need to learn to cast their attunement first, then cover it with aura. I've seen literally countless eles doing the contrary, leaving them open to easier stripping. Priest annihilation maps, people really need to know that the other team will res every 2 minutes - always frustrating to yell "get out, get out" as your teammate rushes to kill priest at 8:02 and the other team shows up at 8:00 and explodes him 4x1. --Sensei 19:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your wish is my command. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 19:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 8}--Sensei 18:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ritualists
Advice based on what happened yesterday at RA. I was playing MB Distortion Ele. The opposing team had a Ritualist. Shiverpeak arena, gates open, both teams come out, enemy Rit starts spamming his spirits on the very tip of the hill, all on the same spot. I simply crossed the river with my team, hit Rodgort's for 100's of damage and burning on all spirits and the Rit and another of his team members. Follow up with Meteor, all spirits dead. Glass Arrows Ranger on my team easily finishes Ritualist off. Advice for Rits, if you want/must bring spirits, set them apart because fire nukes are common and will mess you up.--Sensei 12:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sound reasoning. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 00:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

When I got time
Can I modify this page and show you the layour I actually menth ? If you don't like it you can still revert ... Lilondra  *poke*  06:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go for it, I am the world's biggest wiki noob. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 14:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Sins, no frenzy. Period. You have low armor and will explode.
That's not exactly true. As long as you got a cancel, you can subst frenzy for flurry and play good. Usually, it doesn't matter so much with normal assassin attacks (which are loluntyped anyhow), but when you use, say, shattering assault, the damage loss from flurry becomes noticeable. This assumes that you already have a cancel on your bar, like dash, but since it's pretty pretty difficult to cram moar skills on with your 4 duals and 2 offhands, flurry (or flail or tiger's) is chosen. NuVII  16:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell that to 2 sins that frenzylocked earlier today, I hit them both for 180 damage an arrow, that was fun. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 17:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Monkstomping
is actually a bad idea. Target swapping and burning prots and heals are better strategies overall. Pika Fan 08:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Im actually learning that the more I play. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ considering the number of stances monks bring to low end pve and the growing prevalence of small prots other than guardian, you're better off pressuring other targets than the monks, since they're usually less experienced and less likely to bring proper equipment and/or defensive skills.--TahiriVeila 18:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also attacking other melee chars is one of the best defensive moves you can make. If you're under heavy pressure you're much better off linebacking another war so he can't camp frenzy or get off reliable spikes/hammer chains than you are training a monk--TahiriVeila 18:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see that if you're running a hammer, or bodyblocking a bit to keep them off your backline, but I'm talking about the pr0 wammos here that bring healing hands and bang away at the other teams frontline indefinitely for no reason. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 18:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Axe and sword bars can do strong lineback too, if not as much as hammer. Shock + bulls + dchop can make melee classes (particularly sins) chasing a kiting monk very sad. Cripslash + savage slash do it even better!--TahiriVeila 18:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's really personal preference. I like running a hammer cause it's easy and doesn't overheat mah small brainz. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 18:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hammer is fine. My point was that you don't have to run a hammer to lineback when your team's under heavy pressure--TahiriVeila 18:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)