User talk:Shard/Archive15

Hi.
How's your day going?  is for  Raine,   etc.  22:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine. I'm just tired of people trying to defend stupid shit that doesn't belong in pvp. How are you? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

thanks and....
thaks for the info btw when talking to people on Guild Wars is it through a mic or do u type??
 * See Voip. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 22:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You type, though many people use teamspeak or ventrilo when forming groups in certain areas, especially pvp. GW doesn't have built-in voice chat. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Credibility?
On the Guild Wars Wiki talk:Admin noticeboard page, you commented that my credibility dropped when I said Poke was not a god &mdash; Gee, I thought you, of all people, would understand. If that is your personal opinion, then this wiki really is in sad shape, but I suspect you were talking about the reaction of the 'inner circle' in general, not yourself personally. If the latter is the case, that is exactly the reaction I wanted.

As for the sig, anything particularly wrong with it, or are you just referring to history?

Max 2 00:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think what he meant was "who the fuck is max 2?", which was my reaction for a good while. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 00:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a joke. You got trolled unintentionally by a joke. Bye. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * History it is then. I thought that was amusing too. --Max 2 06:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

hey goren
you still on for tomorrow? ciel's getting worried and his phone's broke. - Auron 09:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good old family racism -- Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Family racism? - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  11:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Goren&diff=1717248&oldid=1399236 Well, wikifamily racism -- Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 11:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You people are just mean to Spanish and Portuguese people :/ - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  11:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * THAT'S_RACIST.apng –Jette 11:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think its so cute Auron and Shard have a play date. Now move back here Shard so I can feed you real food, you're going to die eating frozen garbage every day.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Real food like that? --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 17:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 18:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that what Trolls eat? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 18:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Which one? --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 19:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Briar, lol... -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 19:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And which food then? --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 06:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This Friday is apparently some sort of crazy holiday. Are you free for lunch? If you can, let me know by noon tomorrow. Ciel 07:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This Friday is a very important holiday called Day Off School.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 07:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As is Monday Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 09:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As is the next two weeks for me.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 10:20, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As it's been the last 2 years for me :S - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  10:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Seriously?
1st - "I suggest you read a history book." I’ve read many books on different historical eras including ones on the Nazi era of Germany (William Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” is a good one), as well as history textbooks throughout school and college.

2nd - WW2 was not a religious war. You seemed to have latched onto Briar’s question "I'm sorry did you just suggest that Nazi's were non-religious?" which I assume he posed to show that there was a religious element in the war. I could be wrong about that since I can’t read your mind. My mentioning of WW2 was to show one example of how a secular war was responsible for the loss of a huge amount of life and to counter Briar’s notion that religion is responsible for the majority of bloodshed throughout history.

3rd - The Nazis motivation for destroying the Jewish people was not religious. It was racially motivated. They, as you said, thought they were the superior race. That, coupled with paranoia that the Jews were in control of everything and that that power belonged to the German people motivated them to embark on a eugenics program that was to eliminate all undesirables, including the Jewish people, and produce the master race. Sardaukar  23:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * 4th - ^ the above is correct. Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 23:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Judaism is a religion, not a race. I win. Next argument please. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Jews are actually both a religion and a race, but the Nazis were pretty famous for going out of their way to kill Kurdish Jews, so it was more religiously motivated than you'd think. There are only about 2 famous theologians from the Nazi era in Germany mainly because there were very few ministers at the time not preaching that Jews were inherent sinners. Oh, and history books aren't always the most accurate things on the planet. Pretty soon the history school books in Texas will remove Thomas Jefferson and any mention of Manifest Destiny. Just saying. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  00:10, 5 April 2010  (UTC)
 * That's because they're replacing history books in Texas with spanish literature. - Auron 00:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ever hear of secular Jews? In other words, Jews who don't practice Judaism? If you were a Jew, it didn't matter to the Nazis whether you practiced Judaism or not. If you were ethnically a Jew, you were sent to a camp. That was primary in the Nazi view. Jews regardless of religious background were marked for extermination. Sardaukar  [[Image:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 00:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, oh, oh, oh!!! Harold Ramis is a secular Jew!! He doesn't practice a religion but he's of Jewish decent. There's your HR fact for the day.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 23:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's Harold Ramis? ._.'--/ u /  nending fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 23:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He's a Ghostbuster.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 03:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, never have seen that show >.>--/ u /  nending fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * They also sent blacks, Kurds, Muslims, Atheists, occultists (which is ironic), and the mentally handicapped into concentration camps as well. Honestly, trying to claim there's any one reason for it is just asinine. Whether it was racially or religiously motivated is moot. There were probably many more reasons as well (e.g. control, scapegoating, diversion from homeland issues, etc). Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">04:25, 5 April 2010  (UTC)
 * The bottom line is they thought they had divine right to be the rulers of the world. It's really no different from what Bush was trying to do. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Am I in some weird ass twilight zone episode or is shard on my side of this one? I must be missing something here. Someone point it out to me please? -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 04:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently I'm missing something too, I'm under the impression that killing people for religious reasons is for religious reasons, but that doesn't seem to be the case according to some people. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently I'm missing something too, I'm under the impression that killing people for religious reasons is for religious reasons, but that doesn't seem to be the case according to some people. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

hitler was trying to take over the world, not just kill a couple of jews in his home country. the media skews the hell out of the reality of holocaust - people think that only jews were taken to concentration camps because that's all you hear about, but it sucked for pretty much everyone who wasn't pure-blooded german. hitler was insane, drugged-out and misguided, so trying to pin the blame on a single cause for world war 2 would be stupid on six levels. - Auron 05:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Shard, you made the claim that the Jews were killed for religious reasons (i.e. practicing Judaism). I’m just making the point that the Jews were killed because of their ethnic background not their religious background. In other words, if you were ethnically a Jew but practiced Catholicism, was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, an atheist or simply secular/humanist you would still be swept off to the camps. With regard to the Jews, it was an ethnic cleansing. That’s why the Nazis used the expression anti-Semitism not anti-Judaism.
 * Jon, thank you for derailing the discussion. Convoluting the Jewish discussion by bringing in examples that didn’t apply to the discussion was not helpful. I would never claim that the Nazis killed people from all walks of life for just one reason. But again the initial discussion was focused on Jews not everyone else. <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="black">Sardaukar  [[Image:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's Jon? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 15:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hitler wanted to kill everyone who wasn't of Indo-Aryan descent, not just the Jews. They chose the Jews as the primary evil to unite the country, then carried through with everyone else. (although the standard military uniform in Nazi Germany did include a belt that said "God with us".) --Orry 18:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he meant me (since my real name's Jon and all), but seriously Auron is right. Blaming anything on one reason is just stupid. That's why American teenagers are stupid, because they're taught in black and white terms. For example, ask any kid what started the Civil War. $20 says he'll say slavery and that's it. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">18:44, 5 April 2010  (UTC)
 * Am I any American kid? 'cause slavery was only part of it, it was also the South afraid of the North disrupting their way of life and some other political shit. Though, I think in very gray terms, so please disregard me.--<font color="#800000">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * tbh though KJ is right. At least as far as the west coast goes. We're taught more from ehmeffin wikipedia than from our own school systems. It's sad. --  Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 21:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Clever Jon.
 * "Blaming anything on one reason is just stupid."


 * "That's why American teenagers are stupid, because they're taught in black and white terms."


 * /clap
 * If you've somehow extrapolated from my comments that I think the Jews were persecuted solely for one reason then your reading comprehension is shoddy. Above I mentioned that the Nazi’s paranoia of the Jewry being in control of everything played a part too. <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="black">Sardaukar  [[Image:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 21:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not arguing here as just find this topic mildly interesting but to say it was paranoia in relation to jews, which motivated the eugenics program of the holocaust is a bit of a leap isn't it? I thought it was more the aim of a "pure blood", added to multiple factors of scapegoat-ism, fear mongering brought about from prolonged propaganda etc etc etc, which is why everyone who wasn't exactly what the nazi's wanted them to be was pretty much killed, which included many people from different ethnic backgrounds, gays, trade unionists etc... -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait...is "Jewry" really a word? If so, I'm bringing that muthafucka back, except.....probably not in it's original context. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:54, 6 April 2010  (UTC)
 * I lol'd -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 06:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * itt intentional historical inaccuracies and badness –Jette 03:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

So far
So good, no? It still has some stuff I need to fix, but the progress goes pretty good. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  18:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That looks cool. I can't wait to see what you're gonna do with it. I tried making carriers that launch battlecruisers, but the BCs were invisible :( ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be possible, will have to find out first. Things like Spore Crawlers can shoot banelings for example so yeah. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the camera yaw/pitch always that rough and jumpy or is that just a mouse setting? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 20:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, is SC2 available now? I thought it wasn't released yet.  –Jette 20:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, it was included in the beta in the latest patch. Not completely though. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's jumpy, but I have downloaded another third person map which didn't had that. So I will copy-paste those settings. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're in the beta. I seem to remember something about being able to sign up for it, but I couldn't be bothered to figure out how.  –Jette 00:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just make a Battle.net account. You can also get a key if you pre-order somewhere, forgot where. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  15:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

How about this. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  15:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Adrin is getting our beta key today...hopefully. I'll let you kiddies know. Omg...SC2 back-stabs...that's so hot.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I spoofed my SC2 information collector to make it look like I had 4 GTX 480s and an i7 clocked to 4.6GHz, but they still won't call me. What gives?  –Jette 20:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We got ours via our pre-orders from like 3 years ago at Game Stop. Just do it that way and come play with us.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't want me to play with you, I have all the situational awareness of an epileptic retard in the throes of orgasm. You get a key just for pre-ordering, though?  –Jette 21:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes we do. And yes we did.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll consider it, I should be able to pre-order a copy tomorrow if they do come with betas. –Jette 22:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * @Jette: there are many ways in which iT is PossiBle to get a working copy of sc2. =D Datrulegend 22:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently I won one but no one is sending it to me. Sad face. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just take Datr's advice. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  23:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I'm told, it's a single-player only version of the game, so you can't play solo even with the TPB version. I guess if they let you use ethernet I could do it with hamachi, but something tells me that's disabled. ups nvm, looks like it works.  Hooray for piracy, and the botnet I'm sure it comes preinstalled with.  –Jette 23:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Game suggestion questions
Hi, I replied to your questions. Further comments are welcome. --Lumenil 17:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Shard
I'd like permission to cite your notes entitled 'Balance Specifics in Guild Wars' in a paper, if you wouldn't mind. :) --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | 17:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I think it's GFDL anyway. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you alright with being mentioned as 'Shard'? :) --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 01:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think "ShardBear" would be more appropriate. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  01:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * :OO --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 01:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My RL gamer friends call me Shard :/ It's kind of a second name. You can use that if you want. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * -- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ^um... Well, if that is what you prefer, the pseudonym works fine. Thanks for your time. --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 20:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice, 1000 years from now archeologists will unearth an ancient text linking modern game theory to a 2ft tall sex offender -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't even remember where the whole thing of me calling people "bear" started.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ...so his van appearing at a Miley Cyrus concert was just a coincidence? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 22:26, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That couldn't have been our van, Miley's too old. But if you saw that van at a Chloe Grace Moretz's film premier...-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 23:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Bonjourno. It's been a while.
Where's that page with bad jokes that states: GW will be balanced after... (insert really long lasting statement about chuck Norris) at anyway? I got a joke for it. →← 02:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean KJ's XTH list thing? I'm pretty sure the page was deleted shortly after the XTH was closed down for good.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|link=User_talk:Lacky|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 06:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it was a balance thing. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 14:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Make one of your own, I'm sure people will add more hilarity.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * CONTEST! →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 22:26, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

gw2
So far it looks like they will try to replace the gw1 monk in gw2 with something like a dnd cleric. So far so good. --Boro 18:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You could just start playing DnD if that's what you want. -  Mini Me   talk  19:44, 13 May 2010
 * A tempting offer, but all of the D&D gamers around here have been discovered to be a semi-sentient breed of C.H.U.D. –Jette 20:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Does DND have rocket launchers and bunny hopping boulder tossing and playable polymorphs? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 22:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * From my viewpoint, Fireball is like a rocket launcher (the dnd one not the silly gw fireball). When you use it, something (from one to any number of goblins) dies. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 13:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You really shouldn't be using direct damage spells as a wizard. –Jette 15:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Horrid Wilting--best spell ever.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 11:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not a wizard. I'm a sorcerer. Besides I have a lot of other spells at hand. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 16:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh, we're not all that impressed. Our little gang of peeps is too busy playing/waiting on good fun games to care about GW2. The GW2 videos of the ele made me go play Dragon Age again because the game play looked identical.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 17:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also play Dragon Age if:
 * There wasn't the lagging issue that eventually slows down the game until it's uncontrollable and increases loading times.
 * Bioware wasn't so bad at fixing the game. Patch 1.03 made me stop using it.
 * 20gb of Hard Disk Space.
 * Too much focus on blood and visual splendor while leaving other things such as memory management in the background.
 * it wasn't horrendously overpriced (it doesn't really matter since I'm using other sources to get the game)
 * Other than that I despise grinding for insanely rare items(the way how I see diablo), and I just simply don't like RTS-es. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 09:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think your computer just sucks. My DA runs just fine on the highest graphics setting. I mean, it will get slow if I play it for 8 hours straight (or if I go AFK and leave it on for 5-8 hours which I have done on occasion), but the Sims 2/3 and every other game does that too...and honestly I shouldn't be sitting on my ass that long. I actually have been running DA and SC2 simultaneously.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 11:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably. I still forget about being in Middle-Europe. The best way to describe it is that I don't always (huge understatement) have the chance to get to the best-possible-nuclear-powerplant-powered-gear. My computer is so old that I had it before GW was released. And it was at least a year old when we got it. Also it is that it was both hardware-intensivity-combat-lag-sequence (with 768 Mbytes of memory to start with) AND the suckerupdate (1.03 - unremovable) which angered/raged/upset me just enough to hit Uninstall. Probably my computer sucks. This is something I cannot actively change. Not in this crapsack country, at least not now. Never mind the rant, probably I was not in the intended audience for the game anyway. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 19:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: I really shouldn't write posts half asleep listening to X-Com: Ufo Defense soundtrack --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 19:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's possible to totally upgrade your Mobo+Ram+CPU for just around $160 and get at the very least, 2600_FSB + 2gb_1200 + 3ghz_dualcore... the only catch is that you have to settle for an ob-board video card or just stop buying new games for a while. But it's totally worth it, just getting new multithreading & faster front side makes a HUGE difference.  Games load faster regardless of your HardDrive speed. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure is nice to live in the US, where we can buy things and be reasonably certain that they'll arrive and actually be what we wanted. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 21:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Adrin's temple: www.newegg.com-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Does shield bash block pet skillz? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 06:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  14:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I went on a spree of like 9 rounds in a row yesterday where I was getting followed by unblockable pets hitting me for 100 something every now and then. What's shocking is that I used to think that was a lot of damage, but now I don't. Power creepan? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 18:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the thing with Pet Attacks is that they create an effect on the pet, it's not using an Attack skill like you do with an activation time. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  18:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not cool, by the way, I don't agree with pets hitting me for insane domages. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 18:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Pet attack skills aren't actually attacks. They're more like chants. They are applied as buffs until the pet's next regular attack hits. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * in regards, that was a Enraged Lunge BM, if u rlly want something like that to hurt, bring Feral Aggression, Otyugh's Cry, Elunge, and Call of Protection, or Predatory Season/Predatory Bond (PvP), also Disrupting Lunge is pwnsauce on unblockable, there, BAM spamable 100+s so long as ur pet is dire, even then thats if u want like 120s unblockable 100s is E V I L --User Tshf sig.png The Scythe Has Fallen  |  Speak Peasant!  19:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you start noticing that crap when a fucking flamingo is pecking you for 120s every few seconds. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 09:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

nwn
You're the only person I know of who has both Windows 7 and NWN. Did it work without a hitch for you, or am I just doinitrong? –Jette 07:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It worked for me the first time. I have W7 pro 64-bit. I've heard of issues with using the home edition. Search forums.bioware.com, someone else has probably already had your problem. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 09:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got Ultimate x64, I'll keep poking around. Thanks.  –Jette 09:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't be alarmed, this will happen a few times with 7. There's a new 1.69 patch to fix it. Get the patch first and install it before installing NWN or right after and before loading it for play.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If everything fails be prepared to spend hours reinstalling xp. (1 hour + the time you need to find the drivers) --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 16:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't use XP, I have more than 4GB RAM. –Jette 16:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I should mention...download the self-installing update, hit run. Before you play, go to the "updater" wait a few, then you should be golden. Also, its best to go run the game in XP compatibility. It sounds like work, but it really isn't. Let me or Shard know if you need any help or if you hit any snags.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 17:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've managed to get it running, barely, but at about 2-3 FPS at the best of times. I blame ATI and their inability to produce working drivers.  –Jette 17:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Try setting the game's CPU affinity to something else (it's in one of the ini files). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did that earlier but it didn't help. I finally installed ATi's drivers the old-fashioned way (uninstall, uninstall, driver sweep, reboot, driver sweep, reboot, unpack new drivers, install using device manager) and that got it working.  I can also finally play Defcon again too.  –Jette 04:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft+
So, basically you made ghosts counter, erm, everything? O_o &mdash; Why  13:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * EMP doesn't drain energy anymore though. It's just decloak + lockdown. I might even take the shield drain away. It also costs more so each ghost can only use it once per battle. Also, at 25 energy, snipe is still pretty weak. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ghosts countered everything in Sc1 too, but only if you were playing single player so you could turn the speed way down to micro the hell out of them, or were on dangerous levels of Trucker Speed in multiplayer :p -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, have you ever seen computer players microspam lockdown? It's annoying. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Dar'chon rush, kekeke. ...which begs the question:  if they have Archons & DarkT's, why don't they have Darkchons yet? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Because then MMM balls would have a counter, and Blizzard doesn't want that. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, MMM is uncounterable. I agree. This is why the top player in the world is a ZERG who is compeltely undefeatable atm(name is sen) You NEVER know what you're talking about, it's pretty sad ;)
 * Being beatable is not a requisite for being uncounterable. It's sad when you never know what you, or anybody else, is talking about. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Mesmer update
You said that the splits would be done in a sensible manner. My question is, do you believe splits were done in a reasonable manner or do you feel misled? I personally do not think updates such as the one made to Ineptitude are needed in PvP. <font color="#A55858">Misery  11:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't reinstalled but I seriously want to know. This is real ? /endcartmanvoice. Yeen  12:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe Shard would have agreed to a lot of these, but it's important to note that he doesn't have a say in anything, really. Anet doesn't make decisions taking into account Shard's consideration, or things he's said. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 19:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Which splits are you concerned about or disagree with? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not so much concerned with what was/wasn't split, as what they did, like migraine and mind wrack and AoE ints and all that unnecessary stuff. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 20:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Migraine wasn't buffed nearly as much as the Beta version they initially were pushing was. VoR still totally trumps it in raw "you can't play this game now" power.  And Mindwrack is sorta almost a new boolean mechanic for a lot of people and will take a bit of modifying their own habits before they get used to it. ...meanwhile the loss of FC'ing on every secondary-prof spell is quite a nerf to some forms of hexway.  (that doesn't mean I like this update tho) -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was actually interested in your opinion, but skills that concern me would be: Clumsiness, Ineptitude, Energy Surge, Mind Wrack, Shatter Enchantment and Wastrel's Worry. I also think Migraine should have been split harder. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We ran all these skills in actual pvp matches, we probably tested the e-denial skills more than anything else. I personally think Keystone Signet and Signet of Weariness are too good now, but the other e-denial skills like surge and burn are manageable. I really like the new Mind Wrack. I thought it would be really overpowered, but it feels just right.
 * I think migraine itself is fine, but that Frustration merely existing makes both of them overpowered. That's not related to this update - those two skills have always caused problems together, though you can at least counter them effectively if you have a good interrupt ranger/mesmer.
 * I'm one of those people that was around when dual-migraine and dual-dom mesmers existed, and I loved those metagames. Intelligent mesmer play is always more fun than noob VoR+Backfire recharge spam. At this point, I'd welcome anything that makes VoR less popular. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * YEAhh... another long-lasting cheap/faster recharging than the average hex-removal hex in the game. is it really good? 33-40 seconds can be a bit long. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 06:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hearing VoR being used quite a bit as justification. Isn't that fairly textbook power creep? I was originally very concerned about Keystone Signet, but the "other" clause probably makes it ok. We haven't seen much Demonic Flesh either. For things like Energy Surge and Shatter Enchantment, these were balanced, good skills that have seen a lot of use in the past that have only been buffed to keep up with power creep. Ineptitude and Clumsiness have also seen a lot of use in the past. I was tempted to use the word abuse, but I didn't want to be so melodramatic, but I can't say that I found the dual Ineptitude mesmer meta particularly fun. The skills were touted as "more active", but honestly they are so effective they can be used as fire and forget. Signet of Weariness is now somewhat better if you use it against frontline, but I'm not so concerned about e-denial on frontline or weakness on backline. Mind Wrack I admit I would have to see live to know, but it seems very much like a hex based Mirror of Ice. I know Soul Barbs is trash in balanced play, but it doesn't have a 7 second recharge or 1/2 second cast. Maybe energy hiding will make it not so bad, but it's a lot of damage and they buffed that too. <font color="#A55858">Misery  09:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Sup noob
It's me, oni, the epic god among men. you got sc2? Why? all you'll do is cry and whine about it like you did in gw, just face it, you'll never be happy.

Oh btw, I own you in sc2.

Why am I here you ask? It's quite funny, your pathethic endless crying whining rants which summed up to I seriously need to get laid has actually made people on ED make fun of you, yes, you're that sad.

Anyway, way to go crying about terran bio being imba. It's nice that you don't know what you're talking about(like always, noob)

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98281231-3.jpg

Hit me up sometime in sc2 and I'll own you

--Oni 83.249.118.124 16:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "ED"


 * laughingwomen.tiff
 * Your rant made me smile, if only because someone who goes to the effort of dodging a ban in the name of insulting someone over a game that hasn't been released actually tells other people they need to get laid. Is your mother's basement that comfortable, or are you just too aspie to get a life?  –Jette 16:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 4 SRZ??, they must be really fukkin hard up for drama material if they'reliftin shit from here.... not to mention all those WoW'ers* & Furries* already create an endless supply so why go anywhere else? (*-some might argue they're effectively the same exact thing', especially if they play Horde) -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 16:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Dodge ban? What? I reformated my comp way back, I guess that reset shit, I was suprised myself when I noticed that I could post. So my journey was something like: -Being painfully bored -Friend recommends ed to kill boredom -I first search wow, and then guildwars. -I notice that ED lols at shard -I look around what shard has written, and I facepalm at the fact that he wrote enough text to cover an entire fucking forum -I go in to post to him saying he is in ED -I see him crying about terran m&m being imbalanced -I lol -I go on sc2, copypaste my manly rank as an appeal to authority(sp) -I tell shard that he is a noob, which he is, sorry. Have him play me if you don't believe me c; -You come in your white shiny armor on your white horse defending him. I guess your thought process is that if you defend him and suck his cock enough you'll get to be mentioned in one of his pointless life sucking boring terrible rants.

''players think that the first campaign, "Prophesies" was derepicwin and that all things which came after it and every addition to gameplay has ruined the game. Some fans (such as Shard) have even progressed to the point that they write long rants dissing everything that happened after the beta and declaring the game broken.''

All he does is bitch and moan and you know it, stop sucking his cock and realise that.

My offer still stands when it comes to raping you in sc2, shardie<383.249.118.124 16:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow I be your mom is so proud everyday when she goes into the basement of her house where you dwell and sees you so successful at SC2.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 17:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Holy fuck has shards ammount of pathethic retarded fanbois increased? I'm dissapoint in humanity. I wonder how long it'll take untill I get banned. Getting to rank1 wasnt hard btw, it's just that after I lose a game I try to understand why I lost instead of instantly whining imbalance. 83.249.118.124 17:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You couldn't even post this horseshit to the right page, why are you giving lessons on perfect play?? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 17:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did I ever mention perfect play? I didn't, I called shard a noob. He is a noob in not only guildwars but especially starcraft(he doesnt know how to counter an outdated army and calls it imbalanced, that's what you call a noob)
 * Whining is going "BAWWWWW I SUX SO GAME R BAD". Shard argues his points, and backs them up well as far as I can tell. You on the other hand, have just arrived and essentially gone "BAWW SHARDS A NOOB". So what if you're (allegedly) better at SC2? It doesn't mean everyone who's not as good as you is a noob. Stop trolling and go away. <font color="Blue">Shadow <font color="Cyan">Runner  17:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa nelly, someone's trolling Shard. We'd best saddle up our white steeds and gallup to his rescue, since he's a baby 10 year and can't defend himself. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop pretending to be mature by not taking an opportunity to make fun of someone. –Jette 17:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Osht busted [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It's just not that I'm better, the very fact that he says that T bioball is uncounterable proves that he is a noob. Why you ask? Why, it's obvious. Bioball is a INFERIOR strategy (everybody knows this) vs ALL races except protoss, and hey, protoss is MY race and bioball is nowhere near uncounterable for me.

Felix basically pointed out how fucking retarded you guys are. The second shard got trollflamed you all came here to his rescue.

tl;dr; I had three things to say. First was the fact that shard is bad at sc2. I just explained why he is. Second is that he NEVER fucking stops whining about anything. A game is never good enough fo him and he will ALWAYS cry imbalance despite not knowing what the fuck he is talking about(I still remember him saying that warriors would be obsolete because double dragon change would make all elementalists outdo warriors, rofl) and third, that his constant essays of him whining about how the game isnt good enough for him is so pathethic that ED even brings him up.

Fanboi rage inc!83.249.118.124 17:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * cool story, oni, now crawl back to your cave. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">18:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So wait, is this the same guy as the one who got banned from the wiki with the oni signature, or not? jet confuss  –Jette 18:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, fuck SC2. They got rid of Goliaths.  –Jette 18:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They didn't have enough Minerals. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 20:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * K "oni." Instead of making shit up, why don't you:
 * Tell everyone exactly what I complain about (in SC2).
 * Why I'm wrong.
 * If I'm wrong, your explanation for why all the other top players complain about the same things.
 * Prove the screenshot is of your account and not of one of the 120 people who are rank 1 diamond league.
 * I would very much appreciate it. If you can't, don't post on my page again. Here, I'll even give you your own little space to look stupid. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (if that is oni and not a screenie he just linked)-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so SC2 is out or is it just beta? →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 21:52, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just the beta for another 2 months. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oni's not worth breaking your TOC for. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 21:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

all the top players HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH You're so full of shit shard, it's so pathethic. You truly deserve to be on ED. Unlike you, I actually PLAY and TALK with people such as sexyseacow, tib, iopud, played idra, whitera and I talk to demuslim VERY often on wcr(a forum he frequents on) GUESS WHAT?

THEY FIND THE GAME TO BE BALANCED. NONE OF THEM CRY HT/M&M&M IMBALANCE.

I'm not saying that the game is 100% balanced. There are issues. But M&M&M uncounterable What are you? Medium level plat? Bottom level diamond? (hint; both of those levels=bad, average max) 83.249.118.124 22:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's surprisingly easy to prove MMM is overpowered. You cite Z and P (or someone else did) having 49-51% win ratios. Terrans had 58% win ratio last time Blizzard released stats. This value is also low, because more new players start with terran than with any other race. It's also low because this was during patch 12. MMM has since gotten buffs, and ultralisks have become useless. Terrans having a 60+% win ratio is definitely implying there is a problem, and since 99% of terran players run MMM, you can infer what the problem may be.
 * As it turns out, terrans make exactly twice as much minerals as the other races once they get an Orbital Command, yet their units cost the exact same amount for their health*damage/mineral cost. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * American servers must be wildly different to European servers. No one runs MMM over here outside of Bronze league because it isn't actually that good compared to mech or tank/marine/viking. <font color="#A55858">Misery  20:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes they are very different. The forums are even separated by region.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Europe contains France; your argument is invalid -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 20:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the euro metagame is less rush-centered. Here, many players (at least up to platinum league) will mass tier 1 units for a really long time. Terrans obviously do this using marines and marauders. The problem is that those two units alone can defeat every other unit combination at that tech level (marauders doing 20 damage a hit to buildings isn't too fun either, especially if that building is a pylon). It takes a lot more effort to beat that strategy than it does to run it, and that's not what Starcraft is supposed to be about. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:40, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You saw that a bit in Europe before the roach supply nerf, but not really any more. <font color="#A55858">Misery  09:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Remind me what the difference between roaches and zerglings is? I clobbered my SC2 directory when I found out there were no Goliaths or Reavers.  –Jette 11:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Zerglings are cheap, weak, fast, and attack in melee. Roaches cost more, don't have a 2-for-1 special, are ranged, have more health, and regen quickly (especially with the upgrade). ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Voidrays are not imba. They used to be when they could snipe an bunker without the bunker shooting it. They got fixed and they are nowhere near imba now. They are an expensive, slow, yet powerful unit which is good adding to if you got one-two expos.
 * You have not proven that they are NOT overpowered. Make a response to this post. It details exactly why void rays are too powerful.
 * Repeating once again; Man the fuck up and play me or stfu about you being good, scrub.83.249.118.124 22:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Being skilled is in no way related to a player's knowledge or math ability, and winning an imbalanced game doesn't make you good at it, and it doesn't make that game balanced. I'll add another thing on your checklist if you think playing me disproves anything I've said. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry guys for killing the fun but Oni was perma blocked many moons ago and shouldn't be posting at all on this wiki, let alone posting drama about none related games. In short STFU oni. Anyhoo the IP's hes using has been blocked. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 23:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not like he was gonna have proof for most of this anyway. I just wanted to watch him run through a maze to get his cheese. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Your attention for this, please
I believe I've debunked your comparison argument here. Morphy 14:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No Wonder We Get Along...
we are both ENTPs my results were: -- The Scythe Has Fallen Ω|Ω talk Ω|Ω 21:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * E = 1% <- lol
 * N = 38% <- not surprised
 * T = 88% <- shocker im known as the biggest thinker in my school
 * P = 11% <- meh
 * Dividing human personalities into 16 rather rigid subsets is pro science (and dishearteningly accurate sometimes). –Jette 21:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's actually funny - I read some of the other ones and about half of them applied to me. That's what makes people believe that crap. It's so generalized it'll work for pretty much anyone. The questions just reduce error. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Until we find a way to enchance/control minds with implanted miniature computers, suppress emotions there will be black holes for these tests. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 07:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * zatz ez implant the emotion part of my brain copy paste it into their heads, complete control of emotions & ability to maintain monotone at will. Periodz. --User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig.png The Scythe Has Fallen  Ω|Ω talk Ω|Ω 19:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Out of curiosity
What league/rank are you at starcraft 2? Morphy 08:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter during the beta. They've re-set the ranks 2 times since I've been playing. When the full game comes out and the constant re-sets stop, then we can boast about that.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are still Diamond, Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze players playing. No reason to hide behind that. :p <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  21:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I bet he's nickel-plated zinc. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 21:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a gold 2v2 team and I'm gold 1v1, platinum everything else (random 2v2, 3v3, etc), although one of my 1v1 placement matches was lost due to Bnet being unstable (this was right after patch 13 when like 80% of games were dropping).
 * As Yasmin said, it's still a beta, they are still making balance changes. Last time I was silver in all formats, which was a step down from what I am now (maybe I've just improved?). Terrans are still broken, and I don't think the whole ramp thing is making the game more fun. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ramp thing? –Jette 02:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Blizzard decided to balance the entire first 5 minutes of each game around making people block and defend a ramp, which all ladder maps have. They forgot that zerg cannot do this, and terran can bypass a blocked ramp completely with their tier 1 flying unit. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * wat. –Jette 02:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, the reaper? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I know of them, I just meant the whole concept seemed weird. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Jette (talk).
 * Reapers aren't hard to counter, it just blows up unprepared players. You have to scout early to see what the Terran player is doing. Zerg can defend pretty easily with a Queen or 2 and a Spine Crawler. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  16:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

No offense, but doesn't that make you a "noob"? You can't blame beta for this because there are plenty of people that ARE platinum right now. If you truly were good, you'd beat them, imbalances or not. Morphy 09:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * SC1 is renown for being, well, perfectly balanced. So any imbalanced mechanics is NOT a good judge of skill. There's a reason betas exist.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.png anguard  16:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Your logic sucks. Some people in platinum are good, and some got there by cannon rushing their placement matches, reaper proxying their placement matches, void raying their placement matches, etc. You only get 5 placement matches in SC2. Last patch, I placed in all platinum and gold leagues. This patch, I placed in bronze twice so far, and I'm fairly certain my brain hasn't melted between those patches.
 * More imbalance = less meaningful rankings. Just look at GW. Do you really think all the guilds with gold trim are "the best?" No, many of them buildwars'd their way to it. It's the same thing (albeit on a lesser scale) in SC2. I know when I lose because the other guy/team is better, but I also know when I lose solely because I didn't choose terran. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between experienced players and players that are barely aware of what's going on. Those who did those stuff to get to the top will get there ass beat and get pushed back to lower leagues. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  19:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are way off Darky. They reset so often that a low rank/placement just shows you were unlucky during your placement matches. There isn't enough time between resets in the beta to end up at your "rightful" rank, so if you face for example TLO, Idra and Nony in your placement matches and go 0-5 you will end up in bronze and it will take you until the next reset to work your way to gold. I'm currently 4-0 in my placements since the last reset. I fought a protoss who left before either of us had scouted (he did start his build order), a protoss I killed with my first reaper, a protoss I walked all over with ~6 marauders and a Terran who tried to bioball TvT, but only had marines (and some 7 minute reapers) when I parked my tanks outside his base. He had also walled off, which is pretty dumb TvT as I sniped a supply depot with marines right at the start. I'm hoping for a 5-0, which will put me in platinum/diamond depending on the mood of the server at the time, which I really don't deserve to be in. I'm probably a gold player. The beta closes tomorrow and will probably start with another reset. MY LEAGUE IS SUPER IMPORTANT! Oh and last placement I went 3-2. This was during a bug that caused people to double drop and have null matches all the time so everyone was cheesing to try and finish matches before they dropped. Terran cheese > all cheese, because you just lift off and laugh as you kill their nexus/hatch and win anyway. So I went 3-0, then had a client crash that cost me a win (would have easily won unfortunately), then I played against someone who was just better than me and I lost because he outmacroed me thanks to some early harass that threw me off completely. That placement was also very important and a good indicator of skill, being based off of one actual game and all. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They changed it. You can't place in diamond anymore; you have to be promoted to it. Have fun in platinum Mis. I'll enjoy bronze for the rest of today. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've heard of some people magically making it into diamond from placements for no apparent reason. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:58, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be enjoying Goliaths and Dragoons in a real man's game, thank you. –Jette 22:00, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: there was a 3rd reset the other day. Once the re-setting stops and people can actually have their rank for more than a day or a week, then you boys can debate your internet epeen and delights of basement dwelling until the cows come home.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add, just f-list each other, play together or vs each other and judge each other that way rather than on paper. The merit of an action is more telling than the bravado behind words.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add, just f-list each other, play together or vs each other and judge each other that way rather than on paper. The merit of an action is more telling than the bravado behind words.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, let's do it your way.

Checklist

 * Shard is a noob at StarCraft 2.
 * Shard is in bronze league, lol.
 * Top Diamond = good players, mid Diamond = decent players, anything below that is below average or outright bad.
 * Placement is not a proper argument since if you were truly good, you'd be able to work your way up, imbalances or not. If you don't agree with this, you have to explain why Oni was placed in Gold then didn't have issues rising in the ranks and getting mostly wins before getting in Diamond without cheesing. It's like having luck the first time you play in a chess tournament. You might get to 2000 rating but if you aren't actually a 2000 player you'd get raped in the face in your next tournament, putting you back where you belong. The crappot. And btw, who says you weren't lucky when you got placed in gold/platinum.
 * Losing to cheese strategies such as Voidrays, cannon rushes (which you shouldn't even lose against in Bronze league) and proxy reaper, which are easily countered with proper scouting. It's like losing to 4 move checkmates in chess and calling that 4 move mate imbalanced.
 * Placement is not a proper argument since if you were truly good, you'd be able to work your way up, imbalances or not. If you don't agree with this, you have to explain why Oni was placed in Gold then didn't have issues rising in the ranks and getting mostly wins before getting in Diamond without cheesing. It's like having luck the first time you play in a chess tournament. You might get to 2000 rating but if you aren't actually a 2000 player you'd get raped in the face in your next tournament, putting you back where you belong. The crappot. And btw, who says you weren't lucky when you got placed in gold/platinum.
 * Losing to cheese strategies such as Voidrays, cannon rushes (which you shouldn't even lose against in Bronze league) and proxy reaper, which are easily countered with proper scouting. It's like losing to 4 move checkmates in chess and calling that 4 move mate imbalanced.
 * Losing to cheese strategies such as Voidrays, cannon rushes (which you shouldn't even lose against in Bronze league) and proxy reaper, which are easily countered with proper scouting. It's like losing to 4 move checkmates in chess and calling that 4 move mate imbalanced.


 * The things Shard complains about are not imbalanced.
 * First of all, balance is a negative, "not imbalanced". It's impossible to prove a negative. Therefore, this thread will be used to disprove your arguments and "proofs" why these things are imbalanced instead.


 * Void Rays being imbalanced.
 * Your thread. It assumes that your opponent will get the massive amount of voidrays, which shouldn't ever happen in the first place. It's fundamentally flawed. Your "math" doesn't take into account the production time of those units. Each race can do very fun things in the time these VRs take to create.
 * Protoss: By the time your opponent has created a Voidray, you could easily create a fourth gateway and 9 stalkers. The stalker push becomes inevitable because your opponent was so smart to tech for this VR unit. I could post some replays, if you want.
 * Zerg: Usually it goes like this: Zerg scouts stargate. Zerg assumes you're going for Phoenixes, a viable harassment unit against Zerg. To counter this, Zerg buils his third queen. Opponent goes VR. Zerg sees this and laughs. Zerg already has a hydra den going because it's the natural tech way to go, if you go spire vs stargate you'll die to phoenixes so hydalisks are the way to go. Zerg masses Hydralisks before opponent can do shit. Zerg attacks base. At this point, the VR player has three options: a) send the voidrays to the zergs base while trying to fend it off with his small force. Conclusion: zerg steamrolls your base, at best you'll kill a queen but there is already the 3rd queen to replace that queen and zerg will get more hydralisks out before you can deal with that. b) Have voidrays in your army while defending. Conclusion: hydras completely own non upgraded zealotstalkersentry and they EASILY own the voidrays, the zerg steamrolls you. c) Protoss ragequits and goes to forum to QQ about imbalance.
 * Terran: If you see your opponent create a Stargate, you create a Reactor and Vikings because Vikings counter all the Protoss air, not just VR. You can easily create 2 Vikings in the same time that your opponent creates one VR. 2 Vikings >>>>> 1 VR. End of story.
 * This all proves that going all-out VR is just retarded. So are VRs just gimmicks, then? No, they become useful (nothing more) when you have a good economy running, at which point both players probably have multiple bases. Take a look at game 5 (if I recall correctly) of whitera vs idra during the hdh tournament, now that's proper VR usage.
 * My position had nothing to do with void ray rushes. My position has to do with void rays. The two are very different. You have proven that void ray rushing is weak and easy to beat (I agree), but you have not proven void rays themselves don't cause problems. I'll give an example for you to start from: Imagine fighting a competent protoss player who has a decent mix of ground forces, then camps 3 voidrays outside your base midgame. Your choices are either to keep forces in your base to defend (thus preventing you from pushing), waste money on tons of static defenses (due to VR's range and speed, smart cannon placement doesn't work, you have to clump cannons/turrets very closely to kill a few voids), or lose your main building. There is no alternative.


 * MMM
 * Versus Zerg: Just lol. Banelings explode in Marine faces jihad style. Mutalisks own Medivacs and Marauders. If you try this against Zerg, you go down.
 * Versus Protoss: Stalker, Sentry and Zealot beat small amounts of M&M if they're near a pylon, so use that to your advantage and expand. Terran will expand earlier and, if he's good, have a slight economy advantage. Then the Protoss will tech High Templars, at which point Protoss gets an advantage. Then Terran gets more ghosts and the balance evens out, resulting in a balanced micro fight. Overall, the Terran will have a slightly easier game, I admit, but it's nowhere near the insane advantage you're trying to make it look like.
 * Versus Terran: Against Terran themselves, MMM is a horrible tactic. Vikings stomp the Medivacs and tanks destroy the M&M. Not much to be said here, tbh.


 * Hard Counters
 * Who ever claimed these were a good design and where? Putting words in someone's mouth is a horrible way to discuss Shard, I had expected better even from you.


 * Explanation for why all good players who agree with Shard just happen to all be wrong.
 * "All good players"? Who, exactly? The burden of proof is on you, Shard. And take a look at who Oni mentioned above. Sexyseacow, tib, iopud(now known as ioppt), whitera and demuslim all think these things are not imbalanced. They think the game is relatively balanced, and definitely not the shitfest you're trying to make it look like. They also aren't the worst players in the game, to understate it.
 * Not only do you admit the top doesn't agree with you, you also admit you lied about it. Way to go, Shard.
 * Not only do you admit the top doesn't agree with you, you also admit you lied about it. Way to go, Shard.


 * Oni is one of the hundreds of rank 1 diamond players in an unreleased game with upcoming balance changes, despite it already being perfect according to Oni.


 * http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98281231-3.jpg
 * http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98316700-3.jpg
 * http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98413390-3.jpg
 * Not much to say here, Oni is obviously superior to you in terms of skill. Not that anyone ever doubted that, anyway. "despite it already being perfect according to Oni." <--- again, putting words in someone's mouth. If you look up, you'll see Oni actually said the exact opposite (quoting): "I'm not saying that the game is 100% balanced. There are issues. But M&M&M uncounterable What are you? Medium level plat? Bottom level diamond? (hint; both of those levels=bad, average max)." (also funny, note Oni's gross overstatement of your skill level)


 * Modern logic is wrong.
 * Does your arrogance ever stop, Shard? All of your "maths" is a simplified model that generally doesn't take into account the MAIN REASON whatever you're saying to be overpowered/imbalanced actually is not overpowered/imbalanced at all. Your thread on Voidrays? You ignored build times. Monk heals vs Rit Heals? You PURPOSELY ignored Divine Favor. I can go on like this for quite some time, but you should be getting the point by now. Admit you're wrong for a change, it might help your credibility. You can still retreat gracefully. I say take that chance. Morphy 12:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, lol, secondly <font color="#A55858">Misery   12:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Too long; didn't troll -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 19:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ~Shard [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I honestly can't decide which of you is funnier. <font color="#A55858">Misery  07:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As Misery suggested, take this bullshit to the starcraft wiki. Or MSN, I don't really care. Just leave it off GWW. - Auron 08:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Its too bad GW isn't as interesting as this.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * >accidentally implying that GW is more balanced than SC2 -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 20:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That won't be necessary. Morphon, since you obviously have a beta key, you're more than welcome to make a thread on Bnet's forums and direct me to it. I like how you know what arguing is. Oni just spews out endless bullshit. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, spewing endless bullshit doesn't necessarily preclude one from knowing how to make an argument. Look at me: 98% of what I say is either trolling or blatant disinformation, but I'm still perfectly capable of arguing.  I even know all those pretentious Latin names for "bullshit."  –Jette 02:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That won't be necessary. Morphon, since you obviously have a beta key, you're more than welcome to make a thread on Bnet's forums and direct me to it. I like how you know what arguing is. Oni just spews out endless bullshit. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, spewing endless bullshit doesn't necessarily preclude one from knowing how to make an argument. Look at me: 98% of what I say is either trolling or blatant disinformation, but I'm still perfectly capable of arguing.  I even know all those pretentious Latin names for "bullshit."  –Jette 02:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Activation Time Cap
Does this also hinder 40/40 weapon sets to 25%? It seems unclear, and I've heard several different opinions on it. If you (or someone else) could explain it a bit better, that'd be great. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 23:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Skills have no minimum activation time. Only skills that affect cast times have a cap. It is possible, using items, to cast RoF in 1/16 of a second. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, thanks. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 02:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Monk vs Rit
Out of curiosity, why is it that monks are run in GvG over rits? Is it because of prots? King Neoterikos 09:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Because I'm obviously Shard, I'll list a few points without really elaborating. Prots, hex removal, reliable condi removal, divine favor, flexibility on the battlefield (i.e., can quickly run back to base and heal npcs), second prof free to take self-defense skills (and spec up to 7 or 8 in them), energy efficient heals, a number of powerful elites, and they don't have to rely on spirits for half of their skills to be any good.
 * Rits are occasionally run in high-end play, but usually as an additional healer/support character (flagger, stand bitch) instead of a replacement for the first two. - Auron 14:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I thought as much. King Neoterikos 09:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

MSN
Give. Morphy 15:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Shard, can I fly-on-the-wall for this debate?-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ShardFenix@live.com I think. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll add you as soon as I get on my own computer ;o. Morphy 08:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

An Annoying Fan says "Hi"
The annoying fan is me. Hi. - Maskeus  22:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So Shard, what was your name before you left the realm of the mortals?  Maskeus User Maskeus sig.jpeg 09:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He used to go by several names before Shard. He started off as Cottonheaded Ninnymuggins, and then changed to Tiddlywinks McGee, but ultimately he decided that Shard was more his flavor. Or so legend tells...dun dun DUNNNNN -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 23:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * His real name is Turd Furguson.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 23:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What's his REAL real name? I WILL FIND OUT! - Maskeus User Maskeus sig.jpeg 18:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just ask, I'm sure he'll tell you if he wants you to know. Something about farming equipment or something. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 18:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Random
I don't get it, 60/5 = 12... -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  22:55, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, 12 x 5 = 60. Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 22:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The guy in the screenshot thinks there are 100 seconds in a minute. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are, in the metric system. We call them hectohertz.  –Jette 00:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are 60 hHz per minute, not 100. Oh yeah, and 0/10 <3 ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:19, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 0/10 to me or jette? I thought I was low profile enough that nobody would know. T.T -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 21:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

BattleNet
It is amazing, so I hurd Anet is based off of bnet. and even B > A. →← 07:58, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The founders of Anet were from Blizzard, and some of their staff was also. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know this, I kinda just subliminally said it, A is better and higher than B, so they tried to go Anet, but even in the long run.. B > A lol. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 21:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Uhm
Seriously, Shard? Don't you see the staggering amount of hypocrism in this post? :/. Morphy 16:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He wouldn't, unless he believed that just about everything he's said ever is wrong.
 * He probably doesn't. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  17:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just let it go guys; there's no point perpetuating this utterly pointless argument about who's right and who's not, who's bad who's good etc etc. Take it to a forum or pvx, and leave build discussion trolling out of this wiki. -- Lania [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 17:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're a post.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  18:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're a kitty! –Jette 18:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, morphon, you should try showing that there is hypocrisy in that post. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Sup dood
Useless message saying that I typed this with my toes. Took me five minutes. -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle 00:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do another, but use your nose. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  01:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You must have small toes, or very large keys. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * this iis very hard but ii uiserd mhyh bg bter.  Maskeus User Maskeus sig.jpeg 18:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "f3vfc6512:57289-6-201043w433267u89"


 * A friend playing WS derv.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  11:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird. When I play WS derv, I get . ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

What are you?
Gogo! I am a Ghost! <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  01:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I already took it. I think I was a firebat. I always chose the "screw the other guy" answers. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Is this yours?
Or a fan of your?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jNkRaLlwiU&feature=related
 * That's him alright. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 13:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * what recorder does he use? the FPS is naiz -- The Scythe User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  00:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I use Fraps. XFire has a free video recorder though. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Camtasia is probably the best if you care about quality, but you have to pirate it. –Jette 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * i have and love camtasia, just hes got a higher framerate than i get (set @ 30FPS), probs because im on my laptop when i record, and its like 2 yrs outdated. Its processor sux ;( (ASUS G50) -- The Scythe  User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  17:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My screen's REFRESH rate isn't 30 Hz. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 17:13, 18 Jul 2010 (UTC)
 * Is your screen from the 70s? You should probably upgrade.  Did you know they have sixteen million colors now?  It's incredible!  –Jette 17:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mine's an 08' Raine's, however i cant speak for :) -- The Scythe User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  23:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * btw where did u get the crack for fraps? -- The Scythe User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  15:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't use fraps, but I'm guessing you can get it from the usual websites. –Jette 16:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * on Shard's page says its directed @ him.. but i just find the quality of Camtasia is overkill & wanted to try out fraps recording, everything ive found has trojans ;\ -- The Scythe User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  16:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * got a working & non-trojan one :) -- The Scythe User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig2.png  Has Fallen  17:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

gamer
i'm not gonna pretend anyone except skillz chasers care about who got rank 12 first or that it belongs on the page (it doesn't), but it is verified that dan was the first. the highest rank skillz chasers are known in the skillz community b/c it's not an especially large community, and the only efficient way to get skillz pts is to sync. obviously, not all syncers sync with each other, but over the course of years, different groups will have faced each other numerous times. dan was the first. -- VVong | BA 03:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Here are the conditions in which you are allowed to post that information in the Gamer page's trivia section:
 * You work at Anet or otherwise have access to information about who has what titles and when they got them.
 * You have screenshots of everybody else's account's skillz rank and none of them are maxed out.
 * Since you have neither of these things, you may not add that trivia to the page, as it is likely wrong, or at best, unverifiable. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you get Emily to confirm, feel free to post it! - Auron 04:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * shard, first of all, it wasn't me trying to add it and i wouldn't have tried. i'm just saying we know who was first. do you feel it's unconfirmed that starcraft was the first to get r15 hero? o rly? auron, the hero page doesn't even list starcraft, and i'd say 'many' more ppl pay attention to that rank than gamer. if starcraft were to get his name put up, then dan would deserve a mention, but i'm not the one pushing that. i'm just saying. -- VVong | BA 13:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * SC was confirmed as the first by Gaile.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I still wouldn't even put that on the rank page though, because of the huge dispute about it. The whole "it doesn't count because he broke eula" or "he got free fame" bits. If it's confirmed by someone from Anet that the dan guy or whoever got whatever then I don't see any reason not to, seeing as there's not as much hype about it as there was with r15 hero. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 18:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We also don't mention any player's name on the wiki either, unless they have an NPC named after them or something relevant like that. The fact is that you don't know who was the first to get this title. How do you some korean didn't get it months ago? Knowing only one person with a title isn't proof that they're the only person with it. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't think any Koreans played the game since 2006 or so. –Jette 01:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see them in the Korean districts when I'm synching RA all the time. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are imitation Koreans, not real ones.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 02:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Aren't all the real koreans playing SC2 in those gaming hall things? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 02:20, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * pc bang. and i'd imagine after today, u won't see much of the koreans anymore. as for korean skillz syncers, no. i can see your point from a philosophical view perhaps, but you apparently don't know much about the skillz groups. -- VVong | BA 02:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, I don't. That, however, still isn't good enough for Gamer trivia to list who maxed the title first. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are only allowed to first a page when someone just archived his/her talkpage. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  02:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish Simon Le Bon could have "First" my page. lol.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 02:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * and as i never said i wanted to his name. i did however want you to know you were wrong about no one knowing who was first to reach it. -- VVong | BA 05:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said, unless someone at Anet gave you that information or you are omniscient, I am not wrong. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * lol. okay, whatever dude. -- VVong | BA 06:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)