Talk:Dragon Festival 2009

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I copied the announcement from the In-game login. Please edit as you wish to correct my horrible wiki-ing. --D AV  A   19:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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No one needs butthurt comment on main page that event apparently *started 3 hours late*. And dont post info that it started 3 hours later if it didn't start yet. -.-; --Vital Spark 21:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrong date?
I think it should be thursday the 2nd. not 3rd. *looks at calander and nods* DBZVelena  |  (Talk page)   20:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Thrain 02:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I copied the announcement from the Login, it said 3rd. (DOH) --D AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 07:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's "starting at Noon Pacific (-7 GMT) on Thursday, July 2". That's 19:00 or 7:00 PM in GMT or UTC (no difference in this regard). Well I guess something is wrong as I haven't seen anything happening in Shing Jea Monastery. Or am I just blind? Lapibacsi 19:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

any info on....
new festival headgear for this year yet? 24.233.254.51 20:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Only that it will be new, and that, according to Regina, the artwork for it is awesome. 145.94.74.23 21:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My guess would be another one of the masks used by the actors during the missions as the last 2 dragon fests have been the demon mask and grasp mask and its unlikely that they would go in a completely differnt direction by doing something out of the blue since all their resorces are going toward gw2 but that just my guess --A zreal o f S kyrim [[Image:User Azreal of skyrim signature.jpg]] 23:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I vote for an Abaddon mask! Tentacle hair FTW! ^^ - Zaxares 04:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to guess Banished Dream Rider mask this year.
 * Banished dream rider actor.jpg
 * I've always wanted that thing. --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 06:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope so, that would be cool. Thrain 07:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Its a pitty that you can see you head through it, would be better if it turns your head invisble while you wear it so you only have the ghostly looking bit visable--A zreal o f S kyrim [[Image:User Azreal of skyrim signature.jpg]] 08:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Linsey has confirmed it is not one of the actor head dresses. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's both D: and :D. I'm a little curious what else there is for them to do.  Maybe a newer Dragon Mask? --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 18:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * --LissetFTW 19:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

2009
When is it start?--FoxPromise 20:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the page, it can't be any clearer than that. 145.94.74.23 21:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * /wrists -Drakora 03:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Announcement
Why hasn't there been any announcement for this on the homepage yet? o.o Megalodon 11:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It has been on the In-Game announcements, mabye Anet is having Website troubles. --83.38.152.33 12:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Festival Rewards
I never really paid any attention to any in-game events or which event was when there was special drops. And i was wondering if sparklers, poppers etc. drop as a loot during this or are they only from collector's in cantha? 84.251.199.244 15:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ya do items drop or not? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.96.19.7 (talk).
 * The victory tokens drop, and can be traded to Sheng_Yi and Seiji for various rewards if Anet keeps everything the same as 2008 -- Em Jae 12:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Quest's Tab
Removed it. It might've changed. --<font color="Black">D AV  A   18:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * With the banner on top of the page, there is enough disclaimer for the unlikely event that they've changed. 145.94.74.23 20:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I think this is
Boring...84.26.39.246 18:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. There is no obligation to participate. 2. Log In, and then we'll see how much you talk. --<font color="Black">D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 19:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3. wait for late event to start... Elephant 19:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Quests
Are these available during 6 - 13 July as the collector? If not, i'll miss my hat this year :'( - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  19:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only people left after the 5th will be the gift givers and the mask trader.--<font color="Black">D AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 19:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Late Start
Seriously, can't Anet tell time? Rolain1 19:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * i see what you mean but it should start after the live update
 * Well, they updated the website, so hopefully it'll happen soon. Thrain 19:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

the website says it will start after the live update
 * Regina Buenabra said here : http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showthread.php?p=5532653 that it would start with in the hour. And, please sign your comments with 4 of these : ~ Thrain 19:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * still no build Daeheru 20:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is now. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 21:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know
MM alliance is hosting dist 23 :) Maskeus:The more you win, the more you cheat. 19:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And despite my being the sole representative, my guild Glow has district 1. Who wants district 34? :O <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:User_Invincible Rogue_siggyiggywiggy.gif]] 22:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're providing the district, instead of Anet? Whoa. 66.190.15.232 23:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hosting how? I don't understand what there is to host with this event.  Em Jae  00:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kiss is hangin' out in D25, their usually a party :p71.61.84.70 02:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I presume they mean that they will have people from their Alliance in the District 24/7 to constantly win the finale mini-game. Since everybody in the District gets free presents if the players win, it can be considered a form of 'hosting'. - Zaxares 02:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Dis23 is dead. Do you mean International? Does anyone know a district that is being hosted for sure? because none of these seem to be. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.184.76.241 (talk).

Finale
The article could use more documentation. What happens during the finale and what do you have to do? -- <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 10:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that is known yet is it? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  12:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently they still don't know what happend previous years then... -_-' --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 13:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * According to friends of mine (I was wrong earlier, I forget where), Kisu is going to show up, do some...deal. Depending on how you respond, if you have a stack of 250 Victory Tokens in your hand (Just one!) he takes them and you get the mask. If you have multiple stacks, you get multiple masks. So be careful. 71.197.141.158 17:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Emperor Kisu shows enters from the start [near the original storage area] and gives a 3-5 min. speech [Thisis also when a stack of VTs are removed from your inventory in exchange for the mask]. He instructs users to collect the Celestial Charges that drop around Shing Jea Monastery and return them to an Imperial Sorcerer. As this is happening, Grasps of Insantiy spawn in the district. As as charge is picked up, grasps will target the player and try to steal the charge and kill the player. [Players respawn after a few seconds at a designated spawn point.] It should be noted though, that the Grasps have an increased rate of speed. It is highly recommended that you use a Sugar Rush. After 15 minutes, the game determines the winner by how many charged were collected vs how many were destroyed. Upon a win, the sorcerers will provide a brilliant display of fireworks. Upon a loss, the Grasps will rampage on the district killing everyone in sight.


 * Notes:
 * Sometimes Grasps don't disappear after then event. The become unhostile and roam the district. The problem with this is when the next event starts, there's more Grasps then planned, causing the finale to be much harder.
 * Dropping a charge before a Grasp gets to you will make them stop following you. Be sure to use this when running them.
 * There have been times in the past, that if you drop a charge at the instant a grasp would steal it and kill you, you don't die. It creates a glitch and from then on, the grasp will follow your character around and will stop killing players. You can use this to cancel out all the grasps in order to win a district with a high score.
 * Many times in the past [in many festivals] it's been said you'll get a free minipet if you get a score over 1,000 points. This is obviously false.
 * -- Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  18:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh.. and a quick note on Charges, the sometimes continue to drop a bit after you win/lose a district. The do "poof" after a few minutes. Grab one if you can though.. they make good screenshots. :P Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  18:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I be standing at Nine Rings and get the mask if I have 250 Victory Tokens in my inventory? Also, besides the fireworks, is there more to winning against the grasps? - Decollete 07:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)\
 * If i remember right, you will get Festival prizes if your district wins. 24.233.254.51 08:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks 24.233.254.51! Ment to type it but forgot to add. Thanks for the save. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  08:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I glitched a grasp by trying to pickup a celestial charge that somebody else picked up first. I was right beside it targeting it before they got it, so I still made the animation to pick it up. Now I have a grasp following me. :S 209.240.183.45 17:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Battle Quotes? Grasps say "Resistance only prolongs your agony" or something like that. Didn't get a screenshot. Sardaukar 23:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

CUPCAKES!?
I were trading in my victory tokens, when i realized that you can get cupcakes from the collector... It doesnt show that on the wiki, and i thoght they were only avilable during the birthday celebration... bug, or just a cool surprise from Anet? And yes, I have screenshot, but I do'nt know how to show them here...xDMegalodon 12:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Cupcakes have been here since the frist Dragon Festival. Sorry mate, your info is not new. ;) --<font color="Black">D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 12:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! ok, thx! :DMegalodon 12:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No they haven't. The wiki would not have missed that detail for several years running. I think they just forgot to remove them after the 4th year celebration in April. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  12:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's just a bug and will be fixed. How someone can even say that these have always been there during the festival? - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  13:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes they have appeared during other festivals, just can't remember which or how many, but at least once, because I was pleasantly surprised when I first discovered it too. Actually now that I remember it was only one of the collectors on one of the continents...not all...maybe it was Tyria... I can't remember...But anyway yes this is not new but still cool ;) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.184.76.241 (talk).
 * No. "Random drop during the Second, Third and Fourth Birthday Celebration weekends of Guild Wars." ~Birthday Cupcake. Cupcakes have only appeared in the past on the anniversary weekends of Guild Wars. The appearance this time was simply a glitch. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  07:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. They have been available from NPC's in at least one other festival, I want to say wintersday... but I can't recall for sure. And like it I said it wasn't all the collectors, just on one continent. I remember because I was very excited to see them as an option there. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.184.76.241 (talk).

Missions
I've put a request at Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for research for information on the hard mode levels for the Dragon Festival versions of The Fury and The Darkness, skill information on the Fury and boss status for both. Additionally, if The Darkness is a boss, a screenshot is needed. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Side-note: It is impossible to do the following beginners quests on cantha if the festival quest is active: Track down Zho (you can track her, Yeti doesn't spawn) Track down Pe Wan ( he's a little of his mark but the tangli buds and vine do not spawn/grow. Track down Lo Sha (he's there, u can kill the bandits but box doesn't spawn).84.26.144.104 19:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Countdown
Slick addition Wyn. :D Magic   <font color="#0000EB">Talk  08:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. ne shot  10:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

dist 74 is pwning
10 mins left if u want in -- adrin  09:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Mask
Its 5th and I already see people with masks? They were suppose to be givien away from 6th? --Vital Spark 10:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Technically.. no. The final event is running every two hours all day long [see the schedule on the regular page]. For those who did not obtain the mask during the event can then pick it up from the Imperial Supply Master Kagno (collector) with their 250 tokens. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  10:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So confused >.< it says on page "Monday, July 6 - Sunday, July 12" Q___Q thx for info. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:The Vital Spark (talk).
 * There are two separate ways to get the mask. One is today: be in Shing Jea Monastery at the beginning of a finale event with 250 victory tokens in your inventory, and at one point in Kisu's dialogue, he'll change your stack of tokens to a mask. The other way is that Kagno will show up starting tomorrow as a collector who trades the mask for 250 victory tokens. Same mask, same cost. The collector's just for anyone who got their victory tokens but couldn't be around for the finale events. - Tanetris 11:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Close of Shing Jea Boardwalk
When will the Shing Jea Boardwalk close? Is it the same time as what is said in the announcement? and it wraps up at 11:59 PM Pacific on Sunday, July 5. - Decollete 12:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems so, unless an announcement saying otherwise appears. Just a note about gifts here. I and another guildie have been on nine rings for all parties so far and he has 50 gifts and I have 25. Just thought that was strange. Sardaukar 13:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

games should stayaround til the emp leave son sunday

So are we getting some extra time cause of the delayed start? its 18:56 UTC now and still on boardwalk.84.26.144.104 18:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Bug
These grasps did not 'grasp' the concept of the minigame... lol bug  Koda Kumi  talk 13:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Dunno if this is similar to yours but, I've been in ad1 since the first event and the grasps seem to follow and stick to people. This is probably due to the fact that if you held a charge until it disappeared after the Emperor's mini-game was over, then the grasps would just follow and stick to those people in all of the following events. I see this because a grasp has been following/is stuck to me so I can't deliver any charges because I'd die instantly if I picked one up. FC 17:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh almost forgot, they will probably stop sticking to you if you logged out or left the district and came back, though I've done neither yet. FC 17:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You should be able to pick up a charge then drop it to reset. I am the grasp herder in my district.  There was a second grasp herder, but they freed up on the latest round when they picked up a charge and dropped it.  I was right next to them and picked up their grasp. 74.237.9.243 18:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a known bug. It can actually be use as a method to win the game. If you hold a charge and drop it at the last second, sometimes htey'll glitch, lose hostility, and follow you around. Actually kind of funny because then you can scare people with your new "pet". :P Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  18:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This bug is slightly different. I never hit the drop to drop a charge.  During the first round, three of us were holding charges after the timer ran out.  During the second round, we each had 1 grasp that would follow us around.  We did not touch any charges until the 4th round.  During the third round (a 4 grasp buggy round), only 2 of us had not zoned.  I had 3 grasps on me.  The other herder had 1 grasp.  During the fourth round, the other herder picked up and dropped a charge.  All 3 grasps stay with me now.  Bugs are fun. 74.237.9.243 18:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this Glitch happened last time in American dist. 36, although it might have happened elsewhere:536 to 0 Thrain  [[Image:Ranger-tango-icon-20.png|20px]] <font color="#008B00">Talk  01:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

(reset indent) EDIT: Happened again in Dist 36, Thrain   <font color="#008B00">Talk  01:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Festival Prize Receiving Bug
The amount of festival prizes may be not so random at all. Not doing anything gave me 13 prizes. I then followed some rumors and opened some prizes right after they spawned. When I did this, I got another prize about ten to twenty seconds afterwards. When I missed that timespan, no additional prize appeared. Maybe someone can confirm this. Korkman 17:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's been a lot of speculation about this. I don't know the truth, but this is my theory. Originally, the items didnt appear in your inventory, they randomly dropped on the ground and people raced to pick them up. But it was noted very quickly that those drops weren't random. Presents had general spawn points and each point drops x amount of presents. Now, if you stand on one of those selected points, you have a chance to get more of the presents. Also, presents seems to have an effect as to how many people in the district. The fewer the people, the more presents you'll receive. It was noted last festival that if by a lucky chance you spilled over into a new district and very very few people in it, that you could get up to 20-25 presents a run. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  18:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why should the presents be attached to the spawn points anymore? Doesn't really make sense from a script's point of view. I couldn't reproduce it in a second run, but the hint with rather empty districts is possibly valid. Opening a new district at event time has often caused bugs. Maybe the script can be started twice in a single instance and it checks for recently given presents in the inventory to "kinda fix" the bug. If you open the present, though, the script loses reference and you get another one, if and only if you are in a bugged district. There. Better theory :-) Korkman 19:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've moved around in other places in a district and have gotten less presents [was this year ID1 due to lag :S]. I still say my theory is more correct. :P [Quick Edit: Don't forget, Arena.net likes to recycle scripts. So the current script is probably a modified version of the original instead of a different/new script.] Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Still a random spawn is very different from a loop set on all attending player's inventories! I can confirm the bug now. I hopped 7 districts to find it :) When you spawn into an already prize giving district, it adds you to the loop. Apparently, sometimes twice. My former theory is proven wrong, as other players of the same district were getting prizes at the normal rate. So I think it is a timing issue.

The loop seems to be synchronized somehow, as the delay for the first prize in a new district wasn't always the same. Korkman 22:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you, I think your theory is wrong. I do have 2 accounts and both accounts were playing nine-rings in the same district and even the same field. I stood there since the beginning of the finale and on one account the character always got double amount of festival prizes. There have never been spawn-points of prizes within the game-area of the boardwalk, afaik. Moving around has no effect, since my character(s) just stood still on the pad the whole time. I did not open the prizes until the end of the finale with an approx. amount of 465 prizes, so opening the prizes immediately does not affect the total amount of prizes gained. Lucky- and/or Unlucky titles do not have any effect, because the character that got double rewards has a lower rank in lucky and same rank in unlucky title. I cannot find any parameters why one character gets double rewards whilst the other does not, only thing which is worth meantioning is: the character which got double rewards had 2 Hero's Handbook [Hard Mode] in its inventory, but I think thats just coincidence.--nabiki 10:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Were both accounts in the same district? Must read more carefully.. did the other account get the exact double amount? Very strange.. I expected the amount of gifts to be directly related to the amount of points by a district (perhaps divided by the amount of people)--[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 11:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the amount of prizes should always be exacly 13. You can get lucky with the double-loop bug and get 26. It can be provoked by district hopping, which itself distorts the amount of prizes given (because you enter the loop with an offset upon entering the new district). If I read Nabiki correctly, the double-loop is persistent across events. So if you're going for lucky / unlucky points and will be spending the days in the same district all day anyway, you may want to exploit the bug ;-)

To reproduce: * Wait for a prize. * If you get another within 20 seconds, you're in the double-loop. * If you did't get another, move to the next district. Repeat.

NOTE that this is feasible only if you want to stay in the district all day once you encounter the bug. Also, I could reproduce the bug only once. A second try failed - I got only 6 prizes. So be warned this isn't very reliable. Korkman 22:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I was switching districts to get a second going at presents and got around 10 before switching to my friend's district. The second district gave me something in the twenties.  I stayed in that district to 9-ring, and found 26 new presents in my inventory after the next visit. I'm pretty sure the double loop bug is correct. 68.255.6.233 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Taking the mask
If I remember correctly, the other years, one needed to speak with Kisu to redeem his mask (to be verified). This year, they take it directly from your inventory? What if I Have 250 tokens in my inventory to go buy some creme brulées or sparkles (etc.) and then, they give me a mask I don't want or already have because I was there 2 hours ago? Plus, it should be explained on the official GuildWars.com page that it takes it directly from your inventory, without notifying you... PatouPower
 * It's been this way for multiple years. If you got the mask during the first event, wouldn't that tell you it would happen again if you left a stack in your inventory? Also, the wiki is part of the official site "wiki.guildwars.com". Lastly, could you please create new categories under the rest in the future. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  21:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Wiki folks :)

We've needed a countdown since forever. These festivals are always a bit tricky for me when I accidentally add too many hours to my time zone. This takes away the uncertainty. Whoever came up with the idea deserves a pat on the back from all of us players. 75.45.182.120 01:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Mz.B--75.45.182.120 01:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Victory Token Farming and Value
Here is a seemingly fruitful way I've found to farm Victory Tokens, once all the quests have been completed. First, locate a fairly unoccupied District, enter the boardwalk and buy a couple Festival Tickets (if your planning on making a complete Victory Token stack, you'll need about 23 Tickets total), and play the "Dragon's Nest" game. The intent is to play a game with only yourself entered, and only needing to touch at least one Hatchling for the entire game's duration.

For the price of a 15g Ticket, you net 11 Victory Tokens per game. Add 1 more token per contestant entered if you win.

So it then occurred to me that one could correlate the "semi-actual" value of what a stack of 250 Victory Tokens would be, and that is 341g per 250 Tokens (340.9 rounding up).

Seems the "Token Vendors" cropping up after the Festival are charging quite a bit extra on "time" and "labor" fees... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:64.135.218.150 (talk).
 * Value of Victory Tokens is 'set' by looking at the rewards you can buy with them. Like for 5 Tokens you can get 1 Bottle Rocket at the trader, with the rocket having a value of 150g-200g, so 30-40g per Token (or something like that). -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 10:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Use 1 Red Bean Cake which can be purchased for 400g from merchants. You can get 1 Red Bean Cake for 10 tokens from Sheng Yi. 250 tokens / 10 tokens for every Red Bean Cake = 25. 25 x 400g for each Red Bean Cake that can purchased = 10,000g. 10k per stack is at least breaking even. At that price though, you should just buy the cakes outright. You could find people selling stacks for less though, but I do appreciate the point on inflation. I'll have to try your method next year. :) Sardaukar 14:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, those are all fine and well, but none of them actually give you tokens in return do they? This mechanism actually distributes tokens, at that set rate. You can compare the value to other set precedents in the game (the Bean cake and Bottle Rocket), but neither you can return and receive tokens back for. I'm not saying the Dragon's Nest game actually set in stone the value of VTs, but it does help suggest the round-about value, if one minuses time and effort. And all of that was only stated to highlight the enexorbent prices people are charging for the post-festival Victory Tokens. -Moral of the story? Don't delay (if you can) and get your tokens at the FESTIVAL! BTW, I went ahead and made an account, the first post is mine. --Steel Dragon847 19:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

U do not even have to touch one. Just enter, make sure no one else enteres and sit, go make coffee. :D For me I much rather like it when someone does enter, much more fun ;)84.26.144.104 18:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

GW Holidays
Guild wars holidays are so repetitive.. I hope GW2 Holidays are going to be more fun
 * Yeah, try creating a new festival every year from scratch with a 4 man team. It will take a little more effort than signing your comments. 145.94.74.23 12:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Couple of points: real-world holidays are much the same :p ... and not everyone has been around forever ;)  This was my first dragon festival...  Heh, I still have some Lunar Tokens my very first char got dropped in Pre. before I had any idea wth they were...  I'm kinda looking forward to getting some more one day ;) 82.69.0.3 15:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)