Talk:Earthen Shackles

Burning Isle?
Unless you're planning to remove burning isle (please, at last, if only! :p) then 90% seems a bit excessive. Yes, hex removal can counter it but...90% has only been available with elites before, and now it's very easy to apply to flaggers on burning with this skill. Reduce to 50% or 66%, imo.
 * I just need to change Lava to an environmental effect rather then it putting Burning and Cripple. ~Izzy @-&#39; 23:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing Lava is a very good idea, IMO. This is an interesting skill - it adds good sinergy between elements and hopefully will help to make Elementalists using more than one attribute to be more viable. Erasculio 00:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, 90% decreased movement speed is part of both Iron Mist and Binding Chains, both of which are non-elite. =/ Kite 01:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Lava is an excellent idea! xD it will mean that teams wont build around the fire, and finally Melandru's won't be the only ones with full health at the start of Burning Isle! lol! -- ChronicinabilitY [[Image:User Chronicinability Spiteful_Spirit.jpg|18px]] 01:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Awww....There goes the fun in mending touch :(. And yeah, like somone pointed out... it would now stack with burning and other slows. Still seems like a pretty good idea though... taking advantage of a map isn't very cool--Xapti 05:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

this+burning+savannah heat. 0wned.
 * Just had a very worrying thought...If you change Lava to an enviromental effect, won't that mean that it will stack with fire?!?? = stupid amounts of degen! =/ -- ChronicinabilitY [[Image:User Chronicinability Spiteful_Spirit.jpg|18px]] 04:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * LoL no...You can avoid the lava in Burning Isle completly.-- §  Eloc   §  04:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't avoid it alltogether, first of all the flag runner HAS to go through the lava, and if one team decides to push forward through the lava the other team has to fall back into it as well. It's not as simple as not going there because you dont want to. The game will force you places. -- ChronicinabilitY [[Image:User Chronicinability Spiteful_Spirit.jpg|18px]] 05:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then it's just a good strategy. And besides, odds are you might not fight in your Guild Hall but rather be turned into some other one. And if you really gotta run the flag there, bring Frigid Armor.-- §  Eloc   §  05:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Bring Frigid Armor just in case you end up on Burning Isle? :\ Although, I don't really see the problem with making it an environmental effect. skaspaakssa 14:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No serious flagger would ever bring Frigid Armor as that's a huge waste of a utility slot among other things. I for one don't like the proposed changes as it would render a current technique (anti-cripple shield + rune of restoration) obsolete.--99.246.5.115 18:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Glyph of Immolation (?)+ earthen shackles+ Savannah heat?
 * You just have to make someone burn into the lava to beat him. He would take the damage from burning (condition) lava (e effect) and 90% slower wich means more damage from lava Berekän 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * LoL, no, Frigid Armor is handy in other places besides Burning Isle. It gives you armor also.-- §  Eloc   §  05:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This skill has potential, but it again makes clear that the Earth Magic line lacks synergy. Why not make it 'while weakened'? With that you could make Ebon Hawk cause weakness all the time (with less damage of course) and make Ash Blast affect only weakened enemies. Maybe let Churning Earth cause weakness as well. Let Earth's skills work together a little better and you've got a great line. Now, it is merely good, but still underplayed. Unfortunately.Nicky Silverstar 14:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

This will be nerfed before we can even use it =(
I weep, because we'll never see how awesome this will work with MoRodgort and the AoEDoT spells. --Heelz 06:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * LoL, that was my plan to use it also. Mark of Rodgort + Earthen Shackles + Steam + Slippery Ground + some other AoE's = Burning, 90% slower, blindness and knockdown FTW.-- §  Eloc   §  06:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * or just mor+sh+this ftw ^^ 75.75.148.44 18:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

15 energy, conditional, single target hex, 0 dmg, worth to use it ?
 * It's 10 energy.-- §  Eloc   §  21:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Killer skill for AB, and maybe PvP. Use SF + Earthen Shackles + Bed of Coals. And perhaps MS the poor stuck little bugger. Very good potential for a PvP build based on Earthen Shackles's non-elite ability to make the foe almost stop dead in their tracks. Nhnowell 15:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, but it's only on one person, so might be a bit worthless in PvE but in RA on the other hand, it will probly pwn.-- §  Eloc   §  05:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It will be interesting with Rogdort's with the new fugly hourglass staff. --Redfeather 23:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya I suppose so :P.-- §  Eloc   §  03:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Pist. Glyph of Immolation --71.184.113.36 15:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Glyph of Imolation is no comparisn to Mark of Rodgorts.-- §  Eloc   §  01:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If Glyph of Immolation were buffed it would be nice. --Redfeather 10:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya...I suppose it's good because it's a Glyph and can't be removed.-- §  Eloc   §  22:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Also less recharge and energy cost. Pretty much the same effect anyway. --71.184.113.36 01:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mark of Rodgort is superior to glyph when used with this skill because it CAN be removed and its a hex, thus covering this 15 second recharge 2 second cast hex with a cheap 1 second cast 5 recharge hex. Without a cover hex this skill is garbage. 24.225.226.89 00:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Glyph of Immolation->Earthen Shackles->Your choice of nukes-> Bye Bye Heroes who would rather try to run away at 90% than heal themselves.--Skye Marin 22:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally i think recharge needs to be raised. It can be used way too often with those stats, and yes the combo with Glyph of Immolation is quite crazy. Patccmoi 16:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

While vs. when
I find that the wording for this skill is incredibly confusing. When read, "Hex Spell. For 5...17...20 seconds, target foe moves 90% slower while Burning." it sounds like the target foe is inflicted with slowness and burning via this skill. I think it would be much less confusing if it read, "Hex Spell. For 5...17...20 seconds, target foe moves 90% slower when Burning." This makes it sound more like a conditional situation. --maximusmmiv 016:54, 31 July 2007 (EST)

Name Change?
Wouldn't the name make more sense if it was changed to something like Magma Shackles or Lava Shackles or something lavaey. Molten etc. It's just the current name doesnt capture the whole burning theme in an earth school. Dancing Gnome 21:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Could be nasty with:
One or two burning arrow rangers. Bring Stone Striker also to justify the points in earth magic (+45 armor is always nice). -- Mafaraxas  06:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just recently thought about this + BA in a few instances. Did some one just say "Uber kite?" 75.46.7.146 21:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

"A Deadly Combination"
I'm reading this straight from my old GW box.

"A Deadly Combination: Strike with a Hamstring attack to cripple your fleeing opponent, then rain fire down upon him as he slowly limps away." Ahh, good ol' useless combos. Signety of Immolation + Earthen Shackles + Rain of Fire reminded me of that... mainly because THAT would acheive the effect that Hamstring + Rain of Fire technically was supposed to acheive to their belief. rofl. 69.119.169.41 05:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

glyph of immolation -> earthen shackles -> SH -> searing heat. would probably kill just about anybody. 76.2.19.31 16:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Post GW:EN Preview feedback
The combo above this entry doesn't work. Glyph of Immolation only Burns an enemy who is targeted by a spell. Your two AoE fire spells SH and Searing Heat only target an area so it won't work. My combo that did work in the preview event was...
 * Augury of Death, Mark of Rodgort, Earthen Shackles, Glowing Gaze, Savannah Heat

I added Deadly Paradox + Feigned Neutrality for defense (and a Rez); overall the results were really good. I like Earthen Shackles a lot and hope it doesn't get nerfed in any way. --arredondo 08:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Glyph of Immolation works. GoI -> Earthen Shackles -> Sav Heat -> Mark of Rodgort -> Searing Heat, Glowing Gaze, etc. --208.117.81.202 21:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Glyph of Immolation won't trigger on AoE spells, such has Searing Heat, Savannah Heat, Breath of Fire... At least, it never has for me. Makes sense not to anyway. 71.127.159.233 05:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

This + Glyph of Immolation
I don't know if anyone else has asked, but wouldn't this work well with Glyph of Immolation? --Zakek xek 16:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Um...read just about any of the posts above. It has been mentioned many many times. Along with Mark of Rodgort. --Thervold 17:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * /doh I'm Sorry.--Zakek xek 16:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize. It's good to share your ideas in the talk pages. Although sometimes, someone has already thought of it first. --Thervold 16:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw a rather terrifying Me/E build. It involved this, savannah heat, glyph of immolation and mesmer fastcasting. Left me staring at the screen wondering what just happened to me. Krelus Derian 16:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

This + Ray of Judgement
shame of the high cost of both skills together. Fox007  14:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * E-storage says hai 72.222.217.198 18:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * gtfo, you go monk primary for more domage. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 18:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, my name is Glyph Lesser Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 20:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, my name's of Energy. --[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] ne shot  20:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You two guys should totally get together. ;) 82.42.138.114 19:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He was actually not completing his sentence, but seemingly correcting it sarcastically. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 15:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Note
Do you really need to have this war over the note? Saying it synergises well with skills that cause Burning is kind of pointless. I mean that's the whole point of the skill- to slow down the opponents by Burning them unless for some reason you use it for a cover hex o.O ...It's like going to every conditional skill and listing they synergise well with those specific condition. ~Celestia 15:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * +1 Jette, you beat me to it! ~Celestia 15:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I should've just put "stop being idiots" in the edit summary, but my fingers are faster than my brain. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 15:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My fingers are faster than my empathy for people who fail :o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 15:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)