User talk:Raine Valen/Musings/Current

Topic, start.
Well, first, compare it to Grasping Earth before you do anything else. →← 02:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Aura of Thorns is more utilizable by Dervishes, which is the relationship that makes this equation go south. Aura doesn't break a melee's attack speed, is scaled down by Mysticism, and provides a feeder enchantment for the Dervish in an attribute rife with great feeder enchantments for Dervishes. Basically, the Dervish trades none of its face-stomping power for the ability to spontaneously cripple their targets, whereas they would using Grasping. -- Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 02:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Counters to Grasping Earth:
 * Interrupts (each team has at least 3 of these), Hex Removal (and two of these), and running out of range before it casts.
 * Counters to Aura of Thorns:
 * RC (you get one in GvG and 0 in HA), Draw (you get 1 in GvG and 0 in HA), and FF (GvG: 1, HA:0). Single-condition removals (and even mtouch and LS, to an extent) don't work because lol dervishes.  You can't run out of range while it casts because it doesn't have a "while it casts".
 * Benefits/Drawbacks of speccing into Earth Magic:
 * Grasping Earth
 * Secondary Profession use, points in non-melee-supporting att (except grasping earth).
 * Benefits/Drawbacks of speccing into Earth Prayers:
 * Fuels teardowns, Motherfucking instacripple, Immunity to linebacking, IMS, Cracked Armor
 * None.
 * Cost of Grasping:
 * 10e.
 * Cost of Thorns:
 * 40% less. That's like saving a fucking grand on a 3DTV.
 * Grasping Earth is a comparable skill and it's really surprising that people aren't using it more. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  2:28, 25 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I was saying. But it doesn't surprise me at all because of the 'flash' part. However. The main reason I use this skill over earth is because I ACTUALLY need the cripple. i.e. Trampling Ox. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 03:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Raine wins.
That is all. Ryuu    *bite*  15:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Eh?
"There's nothing wrong with that, really, when a Ranger does it." But a Ranger doesn't do it. Cripshot can be dodged, it has a cast time (susceptible to interruption), only applies to one target, and has to worry about blinds. There would be something wrong with that if a Ranger (or any other profession) could do it. That's beside the point, though; instant-cast-through-everything-AoE-cripple is broken regardless of which condition comes first. I suppose the swap would have accomplished something if Pious Fury didn't exist to still make it an instant cast, condition order be damned, but Pious Fury isn't the problem skill. A dozen other teardowns exist to abuse the functionality of this class design if Fury does get nerfed. 72.74.247.100 22:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)