User talk:Raine Valen/Archive 24

Sup guys.
So I'm pretty much done with my Warrior Feedback pages. What I'd like you to do, though, is come up with bars that you'd play. It'll be hard, I think; there are so many good choices! Here, I'll start:

Sample Axe (GvG/HA)
Swift Chop red bars into gray bars.

12/12 Axe/Strength. Land Bull's, then BoA, Cleave, spam the shit out of Swift Chop, then prot strike and "IMTDT!" on standup. Bull's again where appropriate; it's recharged now. &mdash; Raine Valen    18:22, 21 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Sample Sword (GvG)
Kill it with interrupts. On recharge.

12/10/8 Sword/Tactics/Strength. Interrupt lots of stuff with Savage and Barbarous. Final Thrust for kills. Hamstring anything that thinks about kiting. &mdash; Raine Valen    18:22, 21 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Sample Hammer (GvG/HA)
Laugh at block chains.

12/12 Hammer/Strength. Iblow on recharge. "OYK!" and BoA with every KD. Qknock with MHS. Echarge where appropriate (ideally, after "OYK!" expires). &mdash; Raine Valen    18:22, 21 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Gank sword (GvG)
12+1+2 sword, 11+2 strength, 6 shadow, sentinel's insignia, gigantic shield

I figured Tactics would be the gank attribute, so I said "fuck that shit" and decided to see if I could make Shadow Arts work instead. I'm not sure I'd take it over some other bar, but it's a strong addition to a split team. Death's Retreat could potentially be Death's Charge or Shadow Refuge; that choice would depend mostly on who you're splitting with, methinks. Also, why does lieutenant's have such a ridiculous drawback? -- Armond Warblade 19:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Lacks IMS, n00b. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  2:25, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Tk noodle did this years ago, shield stance and healing signet. Sprint and frenzy for stances. Also get rid of that awful assassin stuff. - Auron 02:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * TK still runs Sprint because his monks are magic and he can land Bull's from casting range. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  3:28, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)

And, while I'm at it...
Ranger Feedback pages are pretty well-off, too. Expertise and Beast Mastery need work, but no one uses those skills, anyway. For now, just marks and expertise:

Sample Bow (RA)
Arena champ.

12/9/9 Expertise/Wilderness/Marks. Rapid Fire and Needling Shot everything everywhere for epic condi spread. Dshot key skills; debil key players. Degen the entire team out by yourself. &mdash; Raine Valen    18:57, 21 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Oppressor's Weapon
I need one for my HoM because I'm a completionist. Which'll it be: Scythe, Daggers, Staff, or Shield? &mdash; Raine Valen    19:32, 29 Oct 2010 (UTC)
 * I heard you were having a vote. Daggers are the sexiest - go for those. -Someone without a wiki account --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.85.81.141 (talk).
 * I like the scythe --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]20:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Raine got the scythe. -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   21:50, 29 October 2010.

Blocks


Use clear reasons please :) -- pling 22:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How was dinner? &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:26, 30 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Did you seriously ask that?
What do you think people use the internet for? Misery  14:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You will never look at the cookie monster again.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 14:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Les S. More
I like this phrasing much better than the original. GJ. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you! &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  21:02, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * I particularly love how they use the term "only 67." GW titles are fun amirite? –Jette 21:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "Only" in this usage does not imply a small amount. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:00, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Fucken UNDERWORLD, guys!
We're doing it. Put your name, your character names, and what they can play if you want to come. If you need a run FROM LA TO TOA, we can arrange that. We'll figure out a date later.


 * 1) &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  19:51, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) * Raine Tzu Sun - Something with Frenzy and/or a hammer.
 * 3) * Raine Clove - WS (no exceptions)
 * 4) * Raine Takewa - Zealous Vow damage spam or Mobieus Strike
 * 5) * Raine Leraje - Cruel Spear imbagon
 * 6) * Raine Glee - Escape daggers, Barrage, Magebane, or BHA
 * 7) * Raine Arwyn - Mirror of Ice, Bsurge, or Ether Renewal
 * 8) * Raine Lilith - SS or PoD
 * 9) * Raine Ennui - Panic or Esurge
 * 10) * Raine Tissues - SoS, Soul Twisting, DwG, Resto
 * 11) * Raine Nito - Heal or Prot
 * 12) Shadow Runner  19:57, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) * John Stronginthearm - Sword (100B), Scythe.
 * 14) -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   19:59, 3 November 2010.
 * 15) * Ant The Warrior - Hammer/axe/sword/scythe/daggers. Whatever.
 * 16) * Controling Oblivion - Esurge, VoR.
 * 17) * Ant Oneshot Kill - Escape daggers, Escape scythe, Barrage.
 * 18)  R i ddle
 * 19) * Ezekial Riddle - Barrage, Escape Scythe
 * 20) * Adverse Confession - Heats (might need a ToA run, GW won't let me load my ele to check.)
 * 21) * Sariah Nahom - LS, UA, WoH (Needs a run + I'm a trbl monk)
 * 22)  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  20:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) * Fury Rexy - preferably prot. Also, I suck at every other profession.
 * 24) --  Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 20:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) * Cyan Of Light - Fire (Searing Flames)(Heats), Air (Invoker)
 * 26) * Temari Shadowflame - Domination (EC)
 * 27) * Avana Healin - Healing (Glimmer)
 * 28) * Ailyn Ghost - Channeling (DWG) (SoS)
 * 29)  &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) * Why Are We Fighting - pretty much anything, but I hate playing warrior
 * 31) * Glory Of Eagleheart - Imbagon
 * 32) --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 22:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC) Done... Sharkinu is up here too.
 * 33) * Sparky Sharkinu - anything a ranger could do
 * 34) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]]  22:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) * Armond Warblade - dslash BH, erf shakkur, NRA/PR, yeti smash thing, etc. Might even have war's endurance and a scythe somewhere.
 * 36) * Could play a bunch of stuff. Whether I'd enjoy it...
 * 37) * Ideally I'd come on this guy, but I can only imbagon (specifically, this one). It's been so long since I've done anything else that I honestly don't know what skills I have.
 * 38) -- Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 00:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 39) * Fear The Goddess - SoS, Soul Twisting
 * 40) * Nahhari Bihami - mimic HB, UA
 * 41) * Sec Qr Euin - Zealous Vow/"SY!"
 * 42) Infested Hydralisk  15:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) * Infested Kerrigan I - Can do whatever.
 * 44) * I Terran Ghost I - Can do whatever.
 * 45) * I Terran Firebat I - Can do mostly Fire and Air, a bit if Water too.
 * 46) Neil   2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 16:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 47) *Icesheet Sovereign, Blood, curses, Death magic too.
 * 48) *Noryaga Sovereign, Can do imbawar, meatshield and petmaster.
 * 49) [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 16:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 50) *All professions, all skills >:3
 * 51) --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]17:21, 04 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 52) * Lania Elderfire - anything including scythe.
 * 53) * Elina Elderfire - Anything
 * 54) * Shira Takayuki - Anything + all PvE skills, R10 asura, ebon, norn, R9 delver, R12 kurzick
 * 55) * SoS
 * 56) * Scythe, Daggers, anything
 * 57) * Imba
 * 58) -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 19:11, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 59) * Kumu Makukoae - anything (any PvE skills, r10 in EotN ranks, r8 Luxon)
 * 60) * Koae Kea - anything (limited PvE skills but can get if needed)
 * 61) * Kukui Keo Kalewa - anything (limited PvE skills, but can get if needed)
 * 62) * Kupu Kaulanahaka - SoS or whatever (not much experience with resto)
 * 63) * Kaimi Kalani - Panic
 * 64) * Kahu Kura Pango - Can run imbagon (whether it's up to Raine's satisfaction is another question o_O)
 * 65) - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  19:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 66) * Hell Nirvana - Almost anything (with a possible lack of proper weapon sets (excluding shield), unfortunately :/)
 * 67) * God Ripper - WS mostly
 * 68) --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 09:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 69) * Monokli Oszto (Shaker, Dslash, cripslash, evis, whirling, devhammer, etc.)
 * 70) * Borotvalt Gandalf (Fire, Water, Air, not so much earth)
 * 71) * Neked Annyi (mm, curses, blood support, Soul Reaping heal or prot, not many pve skills.)
 * 72) * Gyo Gyi To (Heal, Prot, Boonprot, smite not much)
 * 73) * Boro Sworra Lem (melandru's arrows, Oath shot stuff, cripshot. No Pve skills, only proph stuff.)
 * 74) -- Cursed Angel (I signed him in..  Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 22:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC))
 * 75) * Virus Angel
 * 76) * Crypt Prowler
 * 77) * Eyeless Judge

Is this agreeable to everyone?
/Any Shadow Runner


 * Works for me. Shadow Runner  21:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

/ Boro

Ninja'd my bar here. --Boro 18:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

/ Raine

/ Why


 * Want. But my faction rank is far from maxed. Means only 5-sec SY! &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be easy enough, anyway.
 * You also might want to practice with that bar, because it feels really strange, man. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  21:57, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * k brb installing. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

/ Sharkinu


 * What about this one?
 * can be replaced with or any other PvE Skill. I have all PvE reputation titles maxed including Luxon and of course all pve skills unlocked. Also maybe a different ress skill.
 * Or maybe ? even that I dont really enjoy playing that build
 * Or since we have 3 adrenaline characters I can bring --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 06:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * AHAHAHAHAHA! Bring Infuriating Heat; I'll have many lols.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  17:04, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * AHAHAHAHAHA! Bring Infuriating Heat; I'll have many lols.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  17:04, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)

/ Oneshot


 * Yeah. -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   21:05, 3 November 2010.
 * Where is Mirror of Disenchantment needed for?  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  22:12, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm on warrior and I refuse to deal with Shield of Judgment. Mirror of Disenchantment just happened to be a low-recharge, low-energy ench removal; the party strip is a bonus.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:19, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont need Glyph, I have Rip Enchantment with me.. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 22:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

/ Cyan Light


 * Sure, although I need to mod my Resto build. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 21:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just take Warding, Resil, Life, and Pot somewhere. And Death Pact signet in case monks die.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  21:10, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm I should be able to run that. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 22:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Im changing my build to full healing support. I did discuss with Auron and others about whats really productive to run in this team, and we came with this result. Im still not entirely happy with it, so I might change some stuff. I hope you all agree with this build for the next run. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 13:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What about taking splinter for the optional slot? Auron would surely love that. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 13:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Im not bringing splinter, we did discuss that too ^^ -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 13:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ok. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 13:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

/ Koda Kumi


 * I should be able to do that.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  21:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * May want energy management. Channeling is method of choice in HA; also beastly in PvE.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  23:26, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)

/Any Riddle

/ Oiseau

- To be played with a UA. Can be adjusted to fit with any other pairing monk though. -- Oiseau | 19:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

---There are so 9 people max in a team---
 * Uh, Neil, did you know there's 8 ppl in a gw team, not 9? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 17:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, if Raine wanted lame builds she would have gone with WEx3, spiteful spam, spirits, and UA / HB mimicry instead.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  17:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Details
A couple of things: If you've got any other questions, ask them here whenever. Thanks! &mdash; Raine Valen    23:46, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * We will be meeting at LION'S ARCH, Korean District 1, at the prescribed time, and running/grinding from there to ToA.
 * If you can, rune your armor with +armor insignias and pick up a defensive set.
 * If you don't have a 40/40 sets for your builds, I can probably loan them to you.
 * I'll be paying the entrance fee.
 * Don't worry about cons and whatever; we should be fine without that nonsense. If you want to burn your money on it, no one's going to stop you, but do not feel like the party owes you anything.
 * If you have any questions about your bar, ask me. Seriously.  I'd rather go over it before hand than figure out in UW that our heal doesn't know how2guardian.  Or that our para can't throw DWs with Vicious.  Or something.  Seriously.  Ask if you don't feel like you can do something perfectly.
 * If you think you can't make the date (when it's announced), please tell me beforehand. Do not make me wait for you.
 * Whuh... DW with Vicious? Just GFTE+Vicious right? :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 01:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Use GftE *after* Vicious. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  1:37, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * See, I know that. You make things sound way more complicated than they actually are. :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 15:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * After doing the other UW with pugs enough times, you learn that you cannot count on people to know how to play. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  17:16, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Day/Time
Your availability, in UTC, please. Also, include times that you could be available, not just times that you're always available.


 * Fucking fuck, this is convoluted. Here, I've revised the formatting on mine.  If you could please match it so that I may lazily determine common availabilities, that'd be awesome.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  1:56, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated my row --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 06:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal
Today, like, asap. Put down your earliest availability, if you'd be so kind.
 * 1) Like right now.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  19:01, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Ditto ^ -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 19:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Today, anytime. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 19:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) NOW! - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  19:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) RUSH <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  19:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) In about 20 minutes, I dont like to rush.. --  Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 19:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal 2
Saturday @ 1900 UTC. Please sign up under "primary" at your respective party number if you're one of the 8 people with a bar listed. If you'd like to come, but aren't one of those people, sign up under "backups" and include the party member that you'd be able to replace. &mdash; Raine Valen    14:22, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Primary Party
 * <font color="Black">Shadow <font color="Red">Runner  16:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * &mdash; Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  14:22, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   16:02, 5 November 2010.
 * -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 11:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 *  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  10:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Backups
 * --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 16:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 19:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unavailable
 * -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle (<font color="">Slot 8 )
 * &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 01:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * IGotta go to a party and gonna go clubbing afterwards. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  01:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Available, but cannot replace
 * Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 11:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 12:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unavailable
 * -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle (<font color="">Slot 8 )
 * &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 01:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * IGotta go to a party and gonna go clubbing afterwards. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  01:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Available, but cannot replace
 * Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 11:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 12:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 11:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 12:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

So, uh.
This section kind of exploded. I think I'll make a subpage for this, or something. &mdash; Raine Valen    17:02, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * What if one doesn't fit into any of the three? There are no elementalist or dervish in your party :( - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 09:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh anything about latecomers? --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 09:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Result!
Fucking exploded at 4 horsemen. Was still good fun, though! &mdash; Raine Valen    18:17, 7 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Just showed how terrible i am as a melee (caster lover ^^). - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 18:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Any later attempts in which I can join? I also want to kick dhuum's ass but I wasn't able to because of the speedclear community (incl. their supporters). --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 18:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be trying it again sometime soon, yeah. -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   18:42, 7 November 2010.


 * nob. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  20:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought you learned something from this, Raine. I guess my confidence in you is way too high and you are not smart enough to understand. There was a point we wanted to make, and we failed. Builds make for skilled plays do not work because UW (and PvE in general) favors gimmicks and penalizes balanced builds, and people who still play this terrible game are not skilled enough to play those builds. If they are using cons well before we even get to a hard part, the run failed. If they do not learn from their mistakes even after dying to the same shit 3 times, the run failed. This is why I am superior to you all. I think outside of your predetermined borders. I base my results on logic and experimentation instead of theory and conversion. I am the blue-haired rebel. I AM ME.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  20:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Koda you were a pretty shit prot tbh so w/e :> also try to rage less! DID YOUR MOTHER NEVER TELL YOU WHY YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS? :< -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne  shot.   21:11, 8 November 2010.


 * Fuck proving a point, I just want a monument and some ectos. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 08:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ This. The proving a point thing is just a happy by-product. <font color="Black">Shadow <font color="Red">Runner  10:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * @Koda: You did prot very bad, most people died because of conditions in combination of raw damage, and I guess that prot monks need to prevent those factors. So, its clear why we failed blue haired honey... And I just want again, I like the Rt build =) -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 11:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm really not sure where you got the "proving a point" thing. But, before I address that:
 * People using personal cons : First of all, c[_]. Secondly, no one used cons until I DCd in a swarm of mindblades.  Removing DP because your heal got shafted by her wireless isn't using cons to make up for lack of skill, it's using cons to make up for unrelated circumstances.  I'm not getting my knickers in a twist over that, neither should you.
 * JP exploding in traps several times : Yeah, that was totally his fault. I shouldn't have to infuse traps, nor should you have to SoA them.  I gave a speech before we started to that effect.  I guess someone was absent. :3
 * Now that the small things are out of the way:
 * Yeah, UW punishes balanced builds. Those starburst dryder things are pretty ridiculous when there's more than... hell, 0 of them, on top of everything else.  I will admit, I was very curious as to whether or not it would be possible for a 2.5-man backline to carry players through Four Horsemen without a dedicated tank.  It may, in fact, be possible: I'm a bad heal monk (I press Prot Spirit way more than I should; I can admit this!) and your prots left something to be desired in many cases (i.e. where was SoA on the fucking reaper?).  I'm not sure whether resilients were going around as they should have been (Cyan!), I don't know what was getting Cried (Ant!), I honestly wasn't paying attention to where our damage was going (was SR or JP calling?  idk!), or whether damage was getting eaten up by ES like it should have been (Halo!).  So yeah, maybe it could've worked out if we played better.
 * But did I go into UW with the purpose of sating this curiosity, though? Hell no.  I just wanted some ecto and a bit of entertainment.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  20:33, 10 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Shit, we were calling? <font color="Black">Shadow <font color="Red">Runner  20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I rest my case. :3 &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  0:32, 12 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * My defense is that resilient is a pretty weak heal ^^ There were that many conditions going around that I wished I had a condition remover. Next time, Mend Body and Soul =D -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 20:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Resil is primarily for the armor bonus (+24 armor means 1/3 less damage from eles) (which is a lot when eles hit for 900). &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  0:32, 12 Nov 2010 (UTC)


 * The way that I see it, this run failed because the individual builds, and therefore the team build as a whole, suffered a loss because it was ill-adapted to the instance and more suited builds were counted out because of their tendency to appear within gimmick builds and were not adapted to reflect a more "skillful approach". In short, Balanced PvP ≠ Balanced PvE (roflmisnomer). --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 21:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is about half of what I am saying. 82.217.189.101 22:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

S-S-S-S-SECTION BREAKER
those are amazingly awful bars. I see no splinter, no gdw, no soh, no orders, no smite hex, no ebon wards, and no technobabble. i also see warriors with frenzy, a paragon with... actually idk what that para bar is supposed to be, but to the limit is baed. please tell me you didn't actually hit enter mission with that setup, raine? :/ (protip - drunken master without alcohol plus celery maxes out ias/ims with no drawback, and lasts like a minute - there is no reason to be taking frenzy). i am disappoint. - Auron 11:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just love frenzyyyy. BTW it makes sense to bring an orders into a 4 physical build so I agree with you on that one. But we could just take an old barrage/pet build, but it would defeat the point. Otherwise: Protip and celerity (or any consumable) don't go well together. just don't. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 12:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * you're in pve. why would you not abuse broken shit? it's not like the content is hard to begin with - a fully maintainable IMS/IAS shouldn't be "required" to clear it, it just makes the task a hell of a lot quicker. taking frenzy instead of drunken master is just asking to get assraped by an aatxe or dom mesmer. - Auron 12:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If I Really wanted to take a full and maintainable IAS, I would have gone to a hammer war and brought the Dwarf battle stance. I could just switch to flail I know, and I just might do it, but at the moment, I am confident that I can cancel frenzy when it is needed. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 12:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * dwarven battle stance is also terrible. - Auron 12:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ^The reason why I'm not using it now. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 13:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Cons aren't necessary, in my opinion. Just a good cohesive strategy and the builds to pull it off. --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 22:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * mmmm, doesn't really surprise me that the team wasn't able to clear the 4horsemen with that exact team build. Glad I didn't go... --<font color ="#8b0701">Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]18:19, 09 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The builds were changed before we went in. That's not terribly reflective of what we actually went with (due to personal preference, missing people etc). For example, I was going with flail + enraging instead of rush + frenzy. <font color="Black">Shadow <font color="Red">Runner  19:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm in the wrong section! :D
So where should I post the build I am planning to run? at the end of the list, or in an appropriate space (frontline/midline/backline)? --Boro 19:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You post the builds you can/will run next to your characters' name and profession. The specific skill bar is subject to change depending on what the party lacks.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  2:06, 8 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Underworld
Is that a do-underworld-as-wiki-users team or is it something else like testing some builds synergy ? Yseron - 90.15.190.62 22:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * She wants to prove it is still possible to do UW without invulnerability and consumables, and with actual skill.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  22:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see "Save Yourselves" and Spear of Fury, in a build above. Yseron - 90.15.190.62 22:39, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, we were too enthausiastic about that. However, the other things are still accurate. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 22:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that about 2 seconds after I hit the Save page button, and 3 seconds before I edited it again :P  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  22:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * God speed !. Yseron - 90.15.190.62 22:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am proud to be the idiot running imbagon. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That bar takes skill, man. I swear to god, if I knock something down and it doesn't get Cruel Speared, I will rage.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  23:48, 3 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa, skill? Should've warned me. I'm out. :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks more like '...with PvP builds' to me. Besides the cripled Imba. Backsword 23:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * those are definitely not pvp builds, just bad pve ones. evidently wiki users don't know that pve skills exist :< - Auron 00:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that PvE skills exist. I just don't know who has which ones, and I'm sure as hell not gonna ask anyone to go quest for a skill.  If someone asked me to do it, I wouldn't; why would I ask anyone else to?  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  0:31, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't you, exactly? You're probably not going to get this going for at least a week; that's plenty of time to get all the PvE skills, if you happen to want them. You're basically saying "I don't know if my guildies have WoH and SoA and everything unlocked, but I'm pretty sure he's got orison and blight, so we'll go with that for now". -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 13:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to replace a skill on their bar for a better PvE or PvX skill, they're welcome to. I'm not requiring it, though.  The difference between "We'll just use blight instead of WoH" and "We'll just use Hammer Bash instead of Brawling Headbutt" is that (1) WoH v Blight makes a big difference and (2) you can tome the PvX skill, but you can't do that for PvE skills.  I'd rather spend a plat than do a random quest line any day.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  16:40, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)


 * Bull's *2, pin down, aura of stab, rip definitly looks like it's based on their pervieved strength in PvP. PwK? I don't remember many flags needing to be run in UW. Backsword 00:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was looking more at the elites, but yea, those non-elites are pretty trash. - Auron 07:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In fairness, hundblades, erf shakkur, cruel spear, panic, and DwG are all strong. (Well, DwG is only moderately strong, but its bar compression is pretty cool, so.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 13:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of the bars look like amalgamations of good PvP and PvE builds. Just because HB, Earthshaker, cruel, panic etc are strong doesn't make the rest of the team bars strong.  Probably won't be a problem though, since UW isn't really that hard anymore... just takes a long time w/o a speed clear build. Anyway, I'm just being a bitch and criticizing even though I'm not going... lol even though I might go if I have time --<font color ="#8b0701">Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]15:59, 04 November 2010 (UTC)

BB is strong in PvE. -- Briar    The Spider  00:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, builds aren't staying exactly the same, modifications are being made for pve ones and stuff. They just haven't been updated on here because shit isn't finalised.-- ne  shot.   16:13, 4 November 2010.
 * Im up for anything.. realy.. anything.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 16:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be up for removing that 9th bar from those other 8 bars? :> &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  17:24, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Followed like a sheep >.> but i still want to come q.q  -- Neil   2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 17:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You can. Just not this time.  There's like 13 names up there and 8 people per party, so I'll prolly be doing this more than once.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  17:26, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * score. sorry for that :< -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 17:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * .*awaits thanks* -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ♥ &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  18:23, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * <_< >_> Youtube this, i wanna see it happen DemonicFahrirDesecrate_Enchantments.jpg 22:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I could record this event. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

So I herd
Vald [Citation Needed]  02:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That is, indeed, a copyvio. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  2:46, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs, i understand your real motive for removing it, you didn't want anyone else to steal it. Have fun with the new mudkip. Vald [Citation Needed] User_Valdimir_newsigicon.png 03:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If you could get me a copy of that giant middle finger, that'd be much appreciated. There's one in one of Anet's archives, someplace, but I cba to dig it out.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  3:58, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Jette should have it somewhere.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  15:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

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-- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  18:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Dr. Reckoning, that is very mean of you. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  18:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * :o -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   18:42, 5 November 2010.
 * Isn't that what you guys were after? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 21:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is the third-from-last line broken? &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  21:13, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Snowboarding accident. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're supposed to sign on the same line as your comment; I fixed that for you. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  23:29, 5 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Hi.
Can you get in game or on irc like, asap?-- ne  shot.   18:10, 6 November 2010.
 * Yep to both! &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  19:11, 6 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Cunt
Where'd you go? →← 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That went great ^^ - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 22:47, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Wireless router exploded. Had to be restarted.  I fixed it, though!  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  23:00, 6 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyone left. :( →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 23:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fucking parents </3, want me? :3 -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 23:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No. -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   23:08, 6 November 2010.
 * You are not the first to say that. but i shal take it as a if a dagger to the heart..    Your no longer on my christmas card list.-- Neil   2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 23:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Did it hit? -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 23:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How can you mail me a card? You don't know my exact address :> -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   23:50, 6 November 2010.
 * ...lets say; i do know what you dont know what i do actually know.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 23:56, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Request
I'm going through a mass deletion of my userspace. But, some of the pages are just too ridiculous to actually go through and delete them all. Is it possible for you to delete everything under the Halogod35/Skills, Halogod35/Userpage Designs userspaces (including all subpages.) →← 19:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This guy is good at that. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 17:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Sup
This is what happens when I have to wait four hours for my boyfriend to get out of his lab. Discuss there, imo; your page is getting huge enough as it is. -- Armond Warblade 19:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What would Chloe think? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 15:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Who exactly cares, again? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 17:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * me. she matters dearly. also stop ignoring me on msn :( - Auron 06:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody matters but ME.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  13:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi raine. Here's my resume.
I was just in RA. 25 wins. w/e. This is the build I used:

I counted how many times I used bulls and how many times I actually landed it: 103/143. Pretty good considering most of them were blocks and shit. Either way, this 25 wins got me rank 5 gladiator. lolololol, I know, I suck. Pros of me: Cons of me:
 * I can fucking land bull's.
 * Excellent with swords.
 * Pretty decent with hammer.
 * Master weapon swapper.
 * I can actually 'target' (using the shift + ctrl + spacebar.)
 * Holy shit, I can kill with a sword.
 * I actually res A.S.A.P.
 * I even have sword weapon sets. Vamp, zealous, furious. (Along side with a spear)
 * I kill the pet that's training on the monk hitting for 100's
 * Holy crap, I can change targets.
 * I interrupt res signet with death.
 * Huge resolution monitor for wide view.
 * Jesus Christ, I can actually carry the flag and steal theirs.
 * I destroy mesmers every time they come back to life.
 * Reliable internet/graphics
 * I have cat ears.
 * I'm not that great with axes. (Especially shock axe, sure I can run it, but use shock efficiency? nah)
 * I'm never aware of what's actually going on, on the map.
 * Because of this, random VoR can kill me when I'm in frenzy/pr and I'm trying to kill the monk with S/M;FT.
 * I still don't know how to effectively quarterstep while autoattacking or etc.
 * I can quarterlock though.
 * I'm always distracted with things off window.
 * I use a freaken sword.
 * And I have about 20 freaken swords. Damn.
 * Cat ears don't even show up in PvP.

Discuss, with love, →← 05:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Congrats! Quarterstepping isn't really that hard, you can practice this on the dummies, you just have to step into the direction they will go to, so you will land more hits and you can also bodyblock them that way. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  15:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you move and press spacebar again? Thus causing epic spacebar mashing? →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 19:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Nuu, you go like dis,
 * EX/DEV/MH
 * FLAIL
 * Crushing
 * (i use wads here) do a little 2-step motion in range of your kd'r
 * Pop second KD, hopefully interrupting their spell
 * PROFIT!!!
 * try it on the heal master in isle of nameless  <font color="black" face="courier new">dark  <font color="gray" face="courier new">chaos   19:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can already do that. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can already do that. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Spacebar is your friend. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  19:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't just mash the shit out of it, you hit it when you need to queue an attack (which is never more than your attack rate, unless you're using faster-than-normal attack skills). Yeah, mashing the shit out of it *works*, but it's not the best way, I find.
 * I qstep by panning the camera and either (1) running forward in such a way that my character "slides" around theirs" or (2) sidestepping around them while still moving the camera. I'm bad and never lernt kilk2moov, so my way isn't the conventional way.  The conventional way is to click-to-move around the target, while pressing space with the right timing (or mashing it!) to hit your target again asap.  Use whatever works for you.
 * In general, constant qstepping takes some getting used to, but, once you get it, you'll do it always and be a beastly war in no time. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  0:20, 12 Nov 2010 (UTC)


 * 143 bull's in 25 wins averages 5.72 bull's/match. Unless you were averaging 57.2 seconds of combat per match (which is, admittedly, very possible), there is a big fucking problem there.  Esp. w/ prage: you should be using (and landing!) bull's pretty much on recharge.
 * For swords, you should have zealous, vamp, and ele. Furious doesn't matter a whole lot because swords get a horrible return per point of adrenaline (compare 6-adrenaline Gash to 6-adrenaline dchop or 7-adrenaline Body Blow or Dev Hammer); you'd probably be better off with a vamp camp (since you have no Shock or Frenzy in that build).  Also, I sincerely hope you're running +5 armor on your swords. :3
 * Also, I think I'm only g4. I haven't been playin' so much RA (or GWs in general :x).  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  0:30, 12 Nov 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, this all kind of made me want to come back and play GW again. Then I remembered assassins, purple eles, and that spot on my head that finally regrew hair. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning User- Tha Reckoning Another Sig.png 16:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Since everybody stalks your page:
Guys, seriously tell me what you think: |13-128-435^13-128-435-TS,13-131-631^13-131-631-TS,13-131-644^13-131-644-TS. Which one should I get? →← 23:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends, what are you getting the board for? A highend high performance system or something more midrange? If Highend (like if you are going to do crossfire) I'd get the Asus mobo with the 890FX chipset on it, the 219$ one. for midrage, I'd get the 134$ gigbabyte since it has slightly better specs than the ASUS one at that price range. Unless if you want eSATA, then get the ASUS one...  --<font color ="#8b0701">Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]23:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)