Talk:Zaishen rank

source
For those wondering about the source. -- Brains12 \ Talk 19:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ok ehm, who is changing the lay-out over and over again? I'll make the page ok?Dutch Sunshine 19:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the sections which included nothing more than the formatting tips from Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting/Titles. Also, anyone can edit a page, so you don't need to worry about creating and maintaining it yourself. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px|Pling! \]] Brains12 \ Talk 19:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * something went wrong, the emotes are still in the edit page but aren't shown on the page itself.. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Dutch Sunshine (talk).
 * Epic failz![[Image:User Xxx Corn Xxx sig.png]]Xxx Corn Xxx 20:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * anything missing?Dutch Sunshine 20:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, not that I can recall...Looks much better now GJ![[Image:User Xxx Corn Xxx sig.png]]Xxx Corn Xxx 01:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

horrible
This is such a bad idea. People are just going to buy keys and get the title. Its a rank emote for a bought title. It would be a great idea if you got a title for amount of balthazar faction earned instead because thats something that a player actually earned. That shows true devotion to the Zaishen. The best part about a Balthazar faction title is that it would be retroactive because we already keep track of how much faction you earned. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. But I belive ppl selling z-keys are quite happy now.--79.185.100.153 20:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously why the hell didn't they make this balth faction...I don't think the Zaishen give a shit about how much money you have to spend on keys...- Warior Kronos [[Image:User_Warior_Kronos_Sig.jpg|18px|]] 20:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Errrm... do you have any idea just how expensive it would be to get this title buying keys? Do the math.  No one is seriously going to max out this title buying keys.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 20:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. 1 key = 5k. 1 key = 5 points. 1 point = 1k. 100,000 points = 100,000k. 100,000k = 10 million gold. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 20:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wtb double post on both wikis jedi? RT | Talk  21:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I can talk on 2 wikis at once. This one had the page up faster. One point per 1k balth faction earned is the same as the keys, would be retroactive, and people wouldn't be buying the title. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They never make these things retroactive and I reiterate that there will be very few buying this title. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 21:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Math is wrong. 100,000k = 100 million gold, not 10.  The title is not only unaffordable to buy, but also unattainable to get via balthazar faction.  It appears that the only viable way is through tournament reward points. Absolut 21:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe not buying the entire title but there are plenty of people with lots of money to waste of BS like titles. The price of keys wouldn't be skyrocketing if people weren't also interested in them for the title. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the price of keys will come back to the 5k level once people realize just how much $$ they are going to have to spend to max it out. I don't think dedicated pvp players have to worry very much about a mass bunch of 'lame' pve players beating them to this title. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 21:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

In comparison to the other emote, /rank or /fame, which is earned through winning in Heroes Ascent this emote is relatively ambiguous. The Heroes Ascent emote clearly says I have won so many games in Heroes Ascent. The new title could mean you earned faction killing real players or farming Zaishen Arena or it could mean you simply bought the keys. So basically the new emote will get little respect from people that are dedicated PVP players since it can be bought. Also, many players who earned balthazar faction will opt to sell their keys now that they are worth a little more which further separates the connection between an emote earned through PVP. IMO the zkey emote was a cool idea and I am glad that the developers are creating new emotes for people that do other things than Heroes Ascent. On the other hand I don't think it says you have excelled at either PVE or PVP. And flashing an emote that doesn't really say anything has an obvious downside. I think either an emote directly linked to total Balthazar faction or to your Balthazar cap would have been a a more definitive emote for PVP. If not that then simply and emote based on glad title track, commander title track, champion title track etc. Likewise an emote relating to gold items identified, treasure chest opened,total amount of areas vanquished or some other exclusive PVE action would better relate to a PVE emote.
 * bah who cares it looks sexy enough for other ppl to want it, and gets me my moolah, me like ^^--WikiWu 03:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

display
if anyone has already gotten this title, please let us know at what rank u're able to display the title (not just display emote). -- VVong | BA 21:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fame emote can only be used at rank 3, which happens to be the same rank at which one can begin wearing that title. Since the emote for this title can be used at the first rank, I'm feeing fairly certain that the title itself can be displayed at the first too. Although, not having achieved the first rank yet I can't say for certain, but I'll be surprised if I'm wrong. --Mme. Donelle 00:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

You can earn 1 key for 5k b points so what's the problem ? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:84.134.88.163 (talk).

I can display R8 currently and have the keys available for R9 and R10 when I have space and patience to use them.. just let me know IG how youd want the displays done (Im not good on the wiki stuff) - IGN: Miss Drops Az

Far From Impressed.
I have used a little short of 2000 keys on the Zaishen Chest, which obviously has made a huge dent in my bank. and i no longer have the money to carry on using such ammounts of keys. Myself along with a lot of others arent impressed with this update, this title track should have been added in the same update as the Zaishen Chest itself. 10K points into any title is a good ammount, but seeing as this title is going to cost a lot of money it makes it even worse.

Will there be any way to add the keys you've used to this title? I.E. the next key you use brings your numbers upto date?

Obviously if i had known a title would be later involved i would have saved my keys.

Anyone else feeling the same/have any extra input on this? Overcoming Evil 21:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "too bad so sad", ANet can't make it unfair to new players by retroactively giving people the title. It wouldn't be fair to the people who don't have access to thousands of keys, wether it be by faction, or by gold. [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  21:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Drago. Would you like ANet to never add anything else ever in the game again, unless they tell us everything a year in advance? Do you demand a refund from a store because the item you purchased two months ago is now on sale? Things like this happen; it's called life. Besides, if you had paid attention to threads on Guru or GWOnline, you would have known that a Zaishen Title was found in the .dat file, which should have been a clue that maybe you should save some keys. Kokuou 21:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ure wrong, this shit is pretty close to the survivor title being added months after our first chars got any change to get it, also why not give that emote to the gladiator track instead, this shit can be bought ffs. --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 22:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * >.> Someone sounds mad that he can't get a title. Get over it. It's a game. You don't like it, don't play. Don't clutter talk pages telling us how "lame" this title is. And this title would cost WAY too much for any person to buy. Get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth off. [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  22:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 100% /agree with drago, just be hapy they have it, CA--[[Image:User_Raph_Sig.png|19px]]Ra ph  Tal ky  23:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh too buy its coming out at about 100 million. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 23:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I love you ArenaNet, you waited patiently for PvEers, exploiters of old farming tricks, and gold buyers to spend all their money in keys! and now real PvPers like me will continue spending keys normally, for free obviously, as always, and plus with a title! Outstanding! Good job! - NeHoMaR  [[Image:User_NeHoMaR_sig.jpg]] 01:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Stupid Title Track
Damn, hook it up to Balt faction pls! If this is a PVP title reward system, surely it should not be something that is able to be *bought* by super rich farmers from the PVE arena? This must be the stupidest title track ever in its current form. To introduce something like this at such a late stage into the game, and so late after the Zaishen Chest has been around...man there must be some seriously *upset* players out there. Seeing the z-keys already double in price to 6k now...--Shaia 21:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no one's going to be buying this title, considering it would cost 100,000,000 gold at 5k per key. Kokuou 21:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ever heard of working for some keys, buying some, stopping, rinse, repeat? And who said this is a PvP title reward system? PvX, maybe. And how would it be hooked up to Balthazar faction? Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 21:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, how would it be fair? [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  21:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * balth faction is kept track of account-wide. just check ur hero panel and mouse over faction. -- VVong | BA 21:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a PvE emote track; buy the keys, get an emote. Not like any serious PvP-er is going to give a damn about this title.
 * And in addition u can use balth faction to buy keys... Unless I missed something? --  Frozzen  [[Image:User Frozzen sig.PNG|User:Frozzen]] 23:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Just like EVERY SINGLE title track. I predicted back then and I still hold to it: titles are the ruination of good Guild Wars play. --Emkyooess 02:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lame, another emote centred around PvP, sure you can buy the keys but they actually come from PvP in case you haven't noticed. Crappy emotes, Deer, Wolf etc. were cool these kinda suck. Another reason to keep me away from GW, a game which I used to adore, I even liked the titles (18 max) a lot but this is too far. Lyra' <font color="Maroon">Valo' [[Image:User Lyra Valo Sig.jpg]] 15:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

DUDE- ANET NEVER DOES ANYTHING FOR PE- SO BE HAPPY.217.126.150.60 09:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

so...
Does anyone like this title track? I've heard nothing but complaints on both wikis and in game. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do. Now at least i wouldn't think it was a total waste the next time i get creme brule or firewater :).--Fighterdoken 23:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the up side is it's an account track. But the down side is the title it's self. Halogod35 23:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

In my mind it certainly shouldn't be seen as a Title Track to "aim at". But there's a lot of Z.A. these days (Zaishen Chest Annonymous) Who perhaps can feel a bit better at wasting 1000k+ for FireWater. As for me, Its an added bonus for my Zkeys I get through the Monthly. The only thing I would question would be Why this title gets the Emote as opposed to KoaBD or Gladiator?
 * I like it. You're only hearing negative things because negative people are the most vocal. You know the saying, "Satisfy a customer and they'll tell two people, but anger a customer and they'll tell ten." On Guru and other boards, though, that ratio is more like 1 and 50. :P Kokuou 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I hate this title. It should be named who has the most money to buy their way through title. People who accually farm for this would take forever. rank one is 50 keys so thats 250,000 Balth faction and if someone farms Zaishen Elite every single day to get 5000 factions they will need 50 days (even though you can get 6k baltha faction per day i rounded down for easier and faster math) who wants to spend time every single day getting a complete group of able trappers to spend time trying to beat down armies of zaishen and even the best group fails at times so this will take more than just a few minutes.216.45.99.102 01:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I don't see the big deal here, this is comparable to the wisdom title, though much more expensive to buy, and you don't see very many people running around with a maxed wisdom title. I have Allies that have been working on that title since the beginning of the game, and haven't gotten it maxed yet, even buying lockpicks in bulk.  If you think that people are going to run right out and spend 100+ million gold buying keys just to max this title, you are crazy.  I don't see people crying about people buying alcohol, or sweets, or party items to max those titles, and those are actually much more buyable that this one is. So why is this one creating so much more drama?--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 01:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * look! theres one angry customer now! the IP!!--[[Image:User_Raph_Sig.png|19px]]<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  01:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * UGG another title, a serious GvG faction buff (of a useless faction......)(that WE DON'T NEED), the emote video on the site proves how much that A.nets not for fun its for victory at all costs. Well GG A.Net you lost another customer! <font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  01:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's a failure of a title track, but I expected no more from ANet at this point. "This title is not retroactive and any keys used in the past do NOT count toward the title." <-- stupid and failriffic. If they don't learn to stop implementing titles at the very end of a game when everyone's spent money and balth faction on keys (or when everyone's used party animal items), every title in the future will continue being an all-out failure. I don't see why they waste their time. Also; what's next? A teabag emote? - Auron 01:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * /sit, /stand, /sit, /stand... it's already in-game :).--Fighterdoken 01:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * UGH this title is epic fail. gj at letting anyone that has gold get a pvp title. Changing it to TOTAL blath faction would be ALOT BETTER! nice try at making a good title anet. gg. SweetEscape 02:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I Seriously like this idea. Signed. 70.107.160.46 03:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Signed, total balth faction or even used balth faction would be way better. Atm it's ingame bought emote wtf? 91.152.179.167 03:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what they could do? Give you a +5 points bonus to this track for each key used while ALSO counting your balth faction.  That way everyone wins-you can buy the title if you are a duper or earn the title with just faction (I seriously doubt that anyone will get ~60,000,000 gold to drop on keys)
 * Dunno why u guys hate this title, I just love it. Not because of the emote, but coz of the fact that I had 80 z-keys wich I just sold :) The Slayer Within 07:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it's plain dumb having such /emote title which can be bought, when it could be for gained Balthazar Faction, for used Balthazar Faction (on keys/unlocks) or for RP/Faction gained Zaishen Keys from Tolkano? Basically same things except without the buying-with-ingame-money part. Altho as said before..not much new from ANet.. 137.163.16.66 08:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

??
Ok, the update notes says it can be put in Hall of Monuments...but the detailed page on it says nothing about displaying it in or for Hall of Monuments. Can we get this clarifed? <font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  04:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume that the update notes are correct since they other page doesn't say otherwise. -- Gordon Ecker 05:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Incentive to buy gold illegally?
The first thing that came to mind: isn't this buyable emote a great new incentive to finally buy illegaly gold from some websites? Until now the motivation, I guess, was mainly to get expensive Obsidian armor for prestige reasons, but I suppose an emote is even more interesting. I find that weird someone seems to sabotage its own anti-gold-sell strategy. Or didn't they just think about the consequences for such an enourmos gold sink? --Xer 12:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * this doesn't address ur main point, but i did want to point this out. this title track alone does not technically constitute a gold sink in the manner that lucky/unlucky constitutes a gold sink. ppl trade in faction to get the keys and the keys provide an item. if ppl buy ranks in the title, they are simply moving gold between players. this is a faction sink and not a gold sink. -- VVong | BA 14:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand what you mean, but I'm argueing from the perspective of an player that wants to buy that emote to death-rank in PvP although he never plays any PvP seriously (that's the idea behind this emote as advertised). Sure the zaishen keys has to be farmed by someone prior to selling them. But when there's a shortage of keys compared to the demand for shiny emotes, the whole thing gets even worse: you need to buy more and more gold on Ebay to get a sufficient number of keys in-game. --Xer 14:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well i like the idea of having an easy obtainable extra emote which gets harder over time. <font color="Orange">Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 14:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * i just checked some gold selling sites. 5000 is selling for around $680. considering u need close to 100,000 to max this title, u'd have to spend over $10k to max this title. i don't think anyone is gonna do that. if they do, i think it gives more weight to the actual title holders b/c that title is equivalent to more than $10k. this is a hefty hefty title to max. ppl who will realistically have high rank in this are gonna be AT players. as it should be. -- VVong | BA 15:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You are making the presumption ppl wanted to max out the title track/emote and thus needing insane amounts of real money. I don't think most of the player would need the Phoenix-equivalent of zaishen, but are satisfied with the Tiger equivalent to humiliate other players or bragging with their (only bought but non-existing) skill and experience. Which still needs insane amounts of virtual money but this can easily be obtained at the money trader. --Xer 16:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems like anet's anti bot drive is working. Last year it was only about half that for 1000k on ebay. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 15:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Just Though i would update the price randomly one gold site can sell this title to R12 for $2000, although anyone that would pay for this title has a really pathetic life. Unsigned 29 November 2009 4:43am (PST)


 * lul... and who ever said that you could define what a "pathetic life" justifies as? fyi kiddie, if people can afford to pay $2,000 for a pixel title then I am pretty sure that their life has a slightly larger chance than your own at NOT being "pathetic". just a thought (with a T on it, btw). -Me

Interaction with Fame emote
Should it be noted that /zrank can interact with /fame? I've only seen this happen with a tiger and a spear, not sure about others.--Mira Castillo 16:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * hmm... kind of late on this but: welcome to guild wars! ;D the tiger emote does the same animations no matter what order you do them in. the tiger emote came out before the zrank emotes so this is further proof. but to put it out there plainly for you: no. zrank emotes are NOT interactive with hero emotes.

To Arena Net
Well I think a LOT of players really hate this Title in its current form. So please ANet change it to something more... "realistic" because for the moment only PvP Ultra Mega War Machines PvP Roxxor or No Life 25h/24h Farmers can earn this title..... I personnaly think using the Balthazar Points would be better.

Please ANet... Do something... Darknight670
 * They won't. This is the title track for all those Ursan Blessing players that meanwhile really don't know where else to burn all the money they farmed except for zaishen keys. Sorry if I sound bitter but slowly I get the feeling where this is all heading. --Xer 16:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * look at any of the other account-wide titles. do any of them appear to be geared for scrubs? and how much will a hardcore ursan farmer earning this title from farming really affect elite pvpers? the farmer will go to ra and rank a few random players on the few occasions he actually manages to kill someone. then he'll go back to farming ursan b/c he's no good at or not into pvp. why is this title becoming such a sob story to players? -- VVong | BA 17:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As people love to moan. last week there was no title, so we get something extra and its QQ time for alot of the wiki moaners. Just ignore them Wongba, maybe they will go away. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 17:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The concept to mix up PvE money and a PvP emote is just ridiculous. There would have been a dozen ways to give out reward points for this title that couldn't be bought by money. Or e.g. make some decent emotes for PvE players, I have no problem with that (there are some PvE title tracks suitable for emotes). But why make buyable PvP-emotes, that's very close to approving buying an used account for a HA emote for real money. --Xer 17:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, sry, I just read on Reginas page that the ability to buy the the emote for money is indeed the designer's main intention behind this title track. That's all folks. --Xer 18:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Buahaha I knew it would all come back to ursan...the root of all evil-141.155.38.206 20:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol yet another thing blamed on Ursan, someone should really take a count of all the stuff ursan gets blamed for --[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 10:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Whats next? World War 3 thanks to Ursan? :P 24.195.183.40 08:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion for Improvement
I have read above and noticed that many people have problems with the fact that this title would be far too hard to acheive by just buying keys through Balthazar Faction and Tournament Reward Points. People are claiming in a sense that this is actually a PvE title. Zaishen keys are now selling for 4-5k after the addition of this title, meaning that only rich PvE farmers, or those who have bought some money from an external gold seller are likely to get many ranks.

I think that something needsto be done to improve this title to stop people complaining about the number of keys they have already used and the money that they dont have to buy more. I would suggest giving 1 point to the title for each win in the Zaishen Challenge and 2 points for winning in the Zaishen Elite (numbers could be changed for each and for consec wins etc). If nececarry, a cap to the number of points one could gain from zaishen arenas each day could be implemented, and the number of points needed for each rank could be adjusted accordingly. I had a feeling that updates to this title were going to happen as you get 5 points for using a zaishen key - why did Anet just not set it as 1 point per key and lower the rank tiers?

Well this is my suggestion, and I would be interested to see what others think about it. :) FirstSunspear /// Talk 06:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * IMO, greatly improved, to bad A.Net doesn't read player suggestions...<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  06:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You should post this in the GW suggestions, maybe they'll answer there?145.53.242.142 09:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * why does it matter if u reduce both the tiers and the points? it'd be the same fucking thing.....??? --<font color="Black">Blood Anthem [[Image:User Blood Anthem Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't change anything. The guy was just wondering why is it such a random number like 5 (It's not like there are more ways to get points, so why 5 and not 1?). Maybe Anet did it 5 because they consider making more sources for Zaishen points... --Lefy Piyero 14:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it's five points per key because each key costs 5k Balthazar faction or 5 Tournament reward points, making the title equivelant to 1 point per 1k faction. And for what it's worth, I think the title is fine as it is. My biggest problem with it is that the emote is kinda ugly. ^^--Mme. Donelle 16:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Make Balthazar Title

Tiers 1) 100,000     2)  250,000     3)  500,000     4)  1,000,000     5)  2,000,000     6)  5,000,000     7)  10,000,000     8)  25,000,000     9)  50,000,000    10)  100,000,000

Just my thoughts. Not quite sure really how much Balthazar faction people have racked up. Just continue in that way so for example the 11th tier would be 250 mil. Again my thoughts, bash them all you want IDC. By the way this title was designed for perma-PVPers so all you PvEers out there need not apply. --141.152.53.229 00:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a perma-PvEer who would be rank 2 according to your revisions. :p --Mme. Donelle 04:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else have any ideas regarding my suggestion to the title? Also about those tiers you posted about the balthazar faction, I think the 100,00,000 faction may be slightly unrealistic for more than a few people, remember that Anet designed the ranks for the Zaishen Rank title with Tournament Reward Points in mind also. FirstSunspear /// Talk 06:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Both suggestions would ruin it. HA players have fame, and now tournament players have zrank. In changing it you'd be cheating the top GvG and HB players in the game out of a unique reward for their prowess. --Mme. Donelle 14:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I love it
I have no idea what you guys are complaining about for Those of us who are rich it's easy to get.--‎ F<tt>i</tt>r<tt>e</tt>  T<tt>o</tt>c<tt>k</tt>  18:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because its dumb one of a title in which ANet fails once again. 91.152.191.6 19:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's dumb at all, just the rank names are a little non-sensical xD... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:58.179.87.36 (talk).

You don't get it
This title isn't meant for PvE players, nor is it meant for HA/TA/RA PvP players. This is a tournament title. It doesn't matter how much of a farmer you are, you're not earning 100,000,000 gold (that's 1000k + 79,200 STACKS of ecto @5k). Buying gold for real world money is out the question because it's not affordable, not to mention you'll be banned less than a tenth of the way through the price. It also doesn't matter how much PvP you do. I know players that have PvPed for three years and still haven't earned 100,000,000 Balthazar faction. I'll say again, this is a tournament title meant to encourage tournament play. If that doesn't interest you, then get rank 3 for your Hall of Monuments, and stop complaining about it. Absolut 12:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure most people get it. I think that the people who complain here are just those who felt compelled to record their knee-jerk reaction of "oh noes, another title I can never max! ftl!!!". Plus, although the higher titles are clearly meant for tournament players, the lower ones seem to be for PvEers and softcore PvPers, which probably confuses some people into thinking the whole title is for them. So I guess some anger is understandable. But I don't understand the people who keep claiming that you can "easily" buy the title, lol. Folks, do at least look at the maths before you use it to back up your Q.Qing. --Mme. Donelle 14:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not about maxing the title, it is about getting the title high. Rich dupers will be able to buy up a ton of z keys and get a high title quickly, while everone else will be able to plug out a few a day.
 * Rich dupers will get banned for cheating. --Mme. Donelle 05:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Go back to dreamville pal. --213.140.6.120 19:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anet has done a far better job at catching and stopping those kinds of cheats than any other online game I have ever played. I don't believe there are huge masses of people out there 'duping' things, if there were there would be a lot more talk/problems because of it. I give Anet full marks in that department.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 05:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments?
Is rank 3 really the requirement for this title to be displayed in the HoM? I just checked the history of the page and the person who added that information appears to be a vandal. (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.28.148.24) I think it should be removed until someone more trustworthy can confirm it. --Mme. Donelle 14:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. My mate just got rank 3 and i went with him to put his statue up and it worked. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 15:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

You Fail Anet.
Really, stop messing with this game, it was good since a moment before the introduction of ats, then my "i want guild wars 2" factor has gone down every day more, and now it's fu$%g zero. Did you fire the 5-years old kid working in your company? Cause, just ask to a 5-years old kid if this title, without retroactivity and compleatly buyable, is a totally dumb idea and he will reply "hell yeah!". to answer stupid ppl that say "it's not buyable, you must spend 100M gold on it", hell guys, did you ever do 1 hour of pvp? DO you know how much it takes to get 5k balth factions? It's not much but you can get 5k way way way way way faster farming, so don't give us bullshit plz. To ppl that beg the poor anet t"$ds to change it, they can't, what should they do, telling us, "oh sry we are deletin this title we made an error, go fuck with the money you spent on keys". Not that i spent any money on them i just selled them for nothing and used them to drop a$s-tasting creme bruleè. Are we expecting to see this kind of work in guild wars 2? Totally random changes? THREE years to realize that PVP and PVE are different and you MUST fu£$"ng MUST have 2 different sets of skills? omg .. take the 5-year old kid back from holydays, please. --213.140.6.120 18:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

two letters for you: Q.......Q!...seriously, whine much? I didnt get halfway thorugh your post and already new it wasnt worth reading--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  21:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To the original poster: your logic is awful. The fact that 5k gold is (in your opinion) faster to farm than 5k faction does not make the title "completely buyable". 100M gold is still 100M gold; that one may technically farm it more easily than 100M faction doesn't change the fact that nobody can realistically expect to farm a hundred million gold. --Mme. Donelle 23:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Problem is they just buy the gold from a $US -> Game gold site. A.net have really dropped the ball with this one, I have not read so many negative comments on a new game feature compared to this. I guess a real world analogy might be the buying of an academic qualification like Dr. etc. and the uproar that would create. Ernie 5:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You must have missed the time when they introduced the Drunkard title :) I thought that was worse. Disgruntled players will always find something to complain about. Personally, I don't care if people are going buy gold for this title. Regardless of whether this title exists, people will buy gold. People won't be persuaded to buy gold by the existence of this mere title. If they will buy this title, they very likely have already bought gold before for "cheaper" things. I'm just wondering whether these people are ranting on the fact that emotes have been to this title instead of the other more competitive PvP titles. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm just afraid of emote spamers in larger towns. It should be possible turning off such animations.. Also it would be better if it was implemented as a "finishing move" instead of an emote. Like check title of killer --> 100/ party size % chance to display emote at the location of the corpse. SamoK 07:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * overly complicated much? also thats not fair to those who have worked for the title. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 08:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It was just a suggestion.. But seriously what's complicated about that? There are lot more things calculated ingame. And this discussion is partially about the actual "work" and how the rewards of this "work" 'll be used. There would be still an effect - so the resources spent wouldn't be wasted. SamoK 08:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But why change it's function? You cant spam the emote anyway as its on a 30 second time delay and telling people that they can only use an emote, they've earned, in certain ways, seems completely unfair to me. Most of the complaints have been about how hard this title is going to be to get. (if you take away the moronic suggestion that people could buy the max title) To then allow people not to use the most expensive emote in the game in the way they choose too, is ludicrous. You clearly haven't gotten any levels on this title or you wouldn't be suggesting a reduced functionality of it. I'm half way to rank 2 (as i want to see if the rank 3 rumour is true) and if they did change it to a "finishing move", I would be well annoyed as that's over 400k's worth of keys wasted thus far. Also it is an overly complicated method of using the emote. No emote works on a random basis. First they would have to write that coding in, then they would have to write a enemy death trigger into the code, again something which isn't present in the current code. You're suggestion requires a complete rewrite of how emotes are handled thus why i said it was overly complicated and really not worth that amount of effort just to decrease the function of a perfectly valid working emote. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 08:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. Yes I do not have any rank - but will have shortly. Still I have a nightmare of seeing falling shiny weapons in towns.. the finishing move thing was suggested due to the way Anet's promoted this - Quoting : "The Zaishen Rank emotes were created to be very interactive. For example, if you position yourself correctly, you can use it as a finishing move after you defeat someone!" Yet I can't imagine how such a killer situation would actually happen in a real game - geting the emote typed in chat and pressing enter?? Very unlikely. In my oppinion the animation's function was supposed to be an advanced taunt. Yet in that part it won't work very well. As a critical hit type effect it could do the trick - for the downside of losing an emote that can be triggered on command. Please do not misunderstand me: I'm happy for any new thing in the game - even this emote. -- SamoK 10:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * lol @ salome: you really think they don't have an enemy death trigger in the game? may i introduce you to Soul Reaping and Edge of Extinction? that's just two out of tons, good joke though68.219.159.183 04:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Context FTW @ IP. I'm well aware that their are many SKILLS which have a death trigger,(alot of them being in the nec attribute lines) now please point me to the emote which works on a death trigger, then you're point may have some validity. As if you can't, my point above still stands, they would have to write a death trigger into the coding for emotes. It's great having to explain really obvious points to people. to Samok, the wee official video shows it being used as a "finishing move" so it is possible, although personally I would hate that. I personally don't enjoy taunting people, to have that option taken out of my hands would greatly upset me. Don't get me wrong i enjoy PvP, I just don't see the point in being mean to those you kill in it, as i enjoy myself win or lose and taunting others just draws away from the fun factor to me. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 11:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot request
I want to see what this emote looks like. anyone?-  Vanguard  14:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The videos aren't enough? - Auron 14:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What videos?-  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 14:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Rank videos." Second section. - Auron 14:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, the text was small :/-  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 14:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You got low font in your settings? - Hell Nirvana [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] 13:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Buying Z-Keys
People buying the keys also put a great effort into it, they're mostly smart people, who have good builds and gear to farm, not like most of you whiners who just leech AB with your Ranger/WoH. If you gonna cry that you can't get a title, work on titles you can get, 'couse i daubt that this is the only one you've got left if you're not one of those rich bastards you hate so much.  Alistair Cookie   03:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

/agreed...see my above post that replies to The whiny and annoying guy who QQ's about people who buy gold for "just" for the Z-title even though most of them have been buying gold BEFORE--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  21:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I got my title playing heroe's ascent, but i would have triple point just farming raptors like a frakking toaster. This is not fun. We are the average guild war player, resistance is futile. No sign 'cause i don't give a shit. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:213.140.6.120 (talk).
 * Hah, guess not. Napalm Flame 02:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

everyone has their own strategies at getting titles, most are hopefully legal (as per the EULA)....deal with it, thats all you or anyone else can really do--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  18:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, yeah right, the only people that have this pretty much maxed are either buying gold online or spend way too much time selling off all their awesome items to make money for keys to max this stupid title. I know why ANet did this, they wanted another way to get the banhammer out on people that buy gold online. Napalm Flame 02:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would think they wanted yet another thing for PvP players to grind for. Without grind, there's nothing else to tide the players over until GW2 comes around (which, by now, seems pretty far-off). -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fat chance world of charrcraft will be here before 2012 olympics. Napalm Flame 02:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

ignoreing napalm flame, i agree with aberrant, by GW2, GW1 will be about 1/3 grind, and 2/3 pvp (which wont be that bad, especially since i plan to have at least r4 KoabD by GW2, i need some recognition too!), itl just mean most pppl will be enjoying a good GvG, or some AB--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  13:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Huge bug/glitch, 12 free keys
yeah so I figured since I was only 15 keys away from r2 (485 points) that I would just buy the 15 that I need and go use them. After doing this, I looked and noticed that instead of having 500 points like I should, I have 560. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm definitely not complaining (haha) but yeah I have points for keys I did not use. Go4the1 10:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm... If you had 485 points, you only needed 3 keys because each key adds 5 points to the title track. In essence, you bought 12 keys too many. Kokuou 10:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * /smackhead... It's 4 in the morning here, disregard everything I've said lol Go4the1 10:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * moar keyz anywayz!--[[Image:User_Raph_Sig.png|19px]]<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  23:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

/zrank emote is available for use once every 30 seconds.
Is it necessary to add this information to the article? --84.109.22.194 07:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be imo -- Nox Coma 11:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Necessary. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Has
anyone reached Rank 12 yet? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.172.13.182 (talk).
 * Heard one guy spent a shit lot of money on ebay to buy it --[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png|Talk]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 09:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Man, that's cheap! BOO! - Hell Nirvana [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] 10:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Then he got banned for haxxing gw--68.116.156.71 21:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Met a person with r12. Also had high pvp titles ( e.g. r6 gamer, r11 hero & max glad ) so unsurprised they had it. --[[Image:User_Chieftain_Alex_Chieftain Signature.png]] Chieftain  Alex 19:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

you know you're pathetic when you need to come on wiki and LIE about seeing guy w/ max gladiator. the highest rank atm is r9 glad. thx. bye. also, fyi, r12 has NOT been achieved yet. --Uchiha Lena 23:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Although perhaps not the right place r10 has been achieved, I am not sure about r11 but I have heard rumours, but r12 glad has definatly not been achieved, and there is no need to call him pathetic over something as trivial as this Divine 14:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Emotes
Do you think we should show pictures of each emote like we do for the Hero (title)? I think it is a good idea, so newer players can see what it looks like ^^ -- Shadowphoenix  07:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 12:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

customise
dose anyone else think that Zkeys should be customised, this would put an end to the massive amounts of money being put into the game eco every month from prediction points.Lodgeinator 12:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (1) No. I like selling mine. (2) It does not add money so much as redistribute it, often to people who spend it instead of hoarding it. (3) No, thank you. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 16:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I sign for this many peoply are scamming to get these zkeys to max title... that's just :S  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 23:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Im apathetic to this as I do this anyways (use all keys I get and dont buy), but as the above there is no adding of money, just adding things to buy to the game and moving money around, zkeys disappear when used anyway. Also people will probably QQ over the inability to buy an emote title... Divine 16:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm against it. For those going for the title that are not heavy pvpers, and suck at guessing for the xunlai house, they'd have no way to achieve this title. It wouldn't have been bad had they been customized from the beginning, but to make the change now would be a bad idea.--Pyron Sy 16:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not a heavy pve'er, should I be able to buy pve titles with balthazar faction? But anyway, zaishen keys are fine the way they are, but I think this title should be more easly achieved by pvpers. As the only current way to get it up to a decently high level is to endlessly grind.  SniperFox [[Image:User_SniperFox_IconSmall.gif]] 22:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

and everyone in all of GW has failed to realize that even ArenaNet themselves said the purpose of zkeys was to become a SINKHOLE in the unrelenting amount of gold in GW because of companies who farm and then sell gold. --Uchiha Lena 23:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wtf...? Flawed Logic? How exactly do ZKeys act as a goldsink? =S And do you have a quote? 60.241.230.79 10:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It helps gold flow from hoarders to regular players through the sale of zkeys and the items obtained from the chest. While the term goldsink is not technically correct, since gold doesn't actually leave the economy, it still stimulates the in-game economy and item trade. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:66.41.46.226 (talk).
 * Exactly. The gold people gain via selling zkeys usually end up spent elsewhere. I know I've blown my zkey spoils mostly on lockpicks and lottery (goldsinks), and then I'll start filling up the HoM with destroyer weapons (goldsink) and perhaps a tormented as well (goldsink). Although that gold didn't come from my pockets, it came from someone else's pockets, and that person didn't get nearly the zkey's worth in gold. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 15:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I love it
when pve scrubs go /zrank and say theyre so pro while they just farmed their way up to that rank.. its sad tbh 78.20.153.111 21:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * i love it when: a guy gets on wiki to cry because he was /zrank'ed by someone and couldn't /zrank back. ;) --Uchiha Lena 23:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it funny that everyone thinks EVERYONE bought it by PvEing automatically Divine 14:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * pve scrubs that know nothing about pvp shouldn't have this rank, yet they have.. also, i can /zrank back78.20.153.111 19:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Lena: u fail lol - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg|18px]] 12:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

why isn't the image working for r5 zaishen?
i uploaded the new pic but the thumbnail is still the old picture? any solutions? when you click the thumbnail it shows my picture but that kind of defeats the purpose if you can't see it without clicking the pic. :\ --Uchiha Lena 01:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The wiki's image cache is really, really slow. It may take a while for a new image to show. 68.35.88.45 02:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Possibilty that this used to be Gladiator rank emote?
Just look at it, it's exactly 12 ranks like gladiator title... and it is sort of like a gladiator in a way. They went through all the animations just for a PvE/Faction title??? I wish this was connected to the glad rank rather then this cheap title =( --68.52.164.153 21:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sad, really. Try ranking someone in Kamadan to see how much of a PvP title this is. They should have attached it to balthazar faction attained instead. 121.44.38.179 12:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it's not restricted to gladiator. I hope in GW2, the emotes are attached to some general-purpose titles rather than strict titles. For example, in GW1, good titles to have emotes are GWAMM and Balth faction cap. The nice thing with Zaishen is that you can work on it from PvE, PvP, tourney points, or even trading alone. It's as general-purpose as it gets, with a nice bonus of generating a lot of trading. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 16:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The fix, but too late I guess
If they made the keys customized to ur account, you couldnt sell them. People who pve and want to pvp dont have any avail balth cuz they wasted it all on zkeys to sell. I don't even think it should be based on balth anyway. -- adrin  12:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Tradeable keys means income for those who don't want them, and an easier way to max the title for those who do want them (think how long it would take doing it all yourself). It also creates a trading link between PvE and PvP. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 15:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * QFT --Uchiha Lena 06:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It also gives pve players a pvp title they don't have to earn. Way to go Anet.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * QFT. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Who said it was a PvP title? And who ever said that farming / powertrading / running doesn't count as earning something? But more importantly, who ever said it was a PvP title? -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 16:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Late, but HoM says it is and always has. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 09:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The Math
You know, this title was okay, until I did some math. A lot of people are saying it's a bought title, but unless you purchase gold with REAL DOLLARS. You will not get enough to max it out.
 * For the Maxed Title You Atleast Need Only One Of The Following: (assuming keys are 3k each)
 * -60,000 platinum
 * -400,000 Random/Team Arena Victories (Assuming no resurrections, no flawlesses, no consecutive, and 4 kills)
 * -60,000,000 gold
 * -3 years and 292 days of winning RA/TA matches. (non-stop, no losing, no bathroom breaks, no sleeping, no waiting, 5 minute matches, 24/7)
 * -Sixty million gold
 * -15 years and 73 days of winning RA/TA matches. (non-stop, no losing, 6 hours a day, 7 days a week)
 * -Sixty thousand platinum
 * -~$4,480 US Dollars (according to one gold buying site)

Too lazy to calculate HA, GvG, PvE farms, etc.... So you have two options: GRIND YOUR LIFE AWAY AND SHOW GW IS ABOUT GRINDING OR SPEND YOUR REAL MONEY AND VIOLATE THE EULA.--Toroxus 18:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * At least, I'd be grinding knowing all I'm getting in return is an emote. And if I decide to skip it, it's not a problem. In most MMOs, you need to grind to even get to access end-game content. I agree the grind is huge though, it could be reduced. (Prices of zkeys will keep going down) -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You forgot the other option, be good at the game, win mATs and obtain 26375226357 TRPs and use them to buy Zkeys, although I am pretty sure most of the guys doing that cba to max this title. It's hardly a must-max title. Most people will never max hero or champ or glad either (I know people haven't maxed some of those yet and maybe never will). <font color="#DD0000">Misery  13:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a fourth option: Don't bother with this title. Why do you feel so compelled to max it? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to argue that a title is grindy when it's rewards are cosmetic anyway. Given that it gives an emote, I'm ok with it being so pricey. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The emote gets kinda overblown after a while from what it looks like. I'm happy with just a spear. It lets me STAB ANNOYING NPCS! :D --Star Weaver 20:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can kill NPC's with the emote ?? Wow.. I'm going to get the title Tiberium 13:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

To Get by ZCoins
To get this by ZCoins it would be 20,000 Gold Coins or 10,000,000 Bronze Coins. Good Luck With That! =)
 * well if you consider that if you do the zaishen combat one and assume you win the majority of your matches and keep repeating the quest every day, then your getting quite a bit of bronze coins and faction, so it wouldn't be 20,000 gold coins it would be quite a bit lessAuren X 20:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Quest
Zaishen Quests should increase this title.. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Happy Neville (talk &bull; contribs) at 05:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC).

MAXED!!!!!
This title has been maxed!!!! By Ffs A Creme Brulee. 70.152.193.234 18:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay. -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 18:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WOW!!! THAT GUY'S MY HERO!!!!!!!!!! Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 19:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry wasn't logged n when I started this conversation.  S entry007  [[Image:User Sentry007 sig.png|19px]] 22:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Title was maxed like six months ago. - Auron 22:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya an old guildie of mine maxed it awhile back. I remember my friend told me he talked to him about it back in like February Daeheru 04:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This title was maxed 4 years ago, when I bought Guild Wars and maxed it the next day. Tiberium 13:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Gratz. Please explain how you maxed it before its existance or method of acquisition, so I can max it too =D -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 19:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Texmod C4K3 Talk 20:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Lol..
For some reason, this should be easy to max for "hardcore" power traders...now a days, people are always more then willing to trade one to one for an ecto. The way I see it, it's only a matter of time before people go broke maxing this using ectos.  S entry007   22:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

LOL 2
Lol, How irritating it is that they ask you to take a break after 2 hours of game play, but they make a title wich is impossible to achive by a normal player - human, 3 years of non stop pvp gameplay? funny. Whats the point of such impossible titles, and why in the world they didnt make it by the balthazar faction you donate, not a stupid key. YOU IRRITATE ME ARENA NET. --81.108.182.78 14:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Awww common its not that bad, they needed a gold sink anyways... here, how about a Creme Brule' or perhaps some firewater? MrPaladin talk 14:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * for the billionth time, this is not a gold sink in any meaning of the term. Money never leaves the economy through zkeys. Technically, money enters the economy, since people usually sell any useless golds that drop. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 18:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmmk how about a reword... Earning keys outside of XTH is a waste of time because the rewards are pathetic (except in rare cases) for the most part you get consumables that arnt worth nearly anything or you get imperfect gold weapons (some of them very common skins) and if you try to max this title by earning keys yourself and not buying them from players (hense the gold sink) your gonna be spending alot of time and money, alot more then a casual player (which brings us to the OPs point) MrPaladin talk 18:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah... once I got UAX, I started getting keys through Balthazar faction. I've got to R3 after a... long time. How is it possible to max this by actually earning it? -~=Sparky  User Sparky, the Tainted charr sig.PNG  (talk)  18:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The title is indeed very difficult to max in a casual way of playing - if you want it maxed, you have to be hardcore, play very long term, or simply buy it with real life money. Anyway, this title doesn't pose much of a problem because: There's really no pressure to get this title maxed, you can safely ignore it. Not like anyone cares about it, everyone knowsit is just a money title and hardly a measure of skill or prestige.--Sensei 18:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if you care about titles, you can get God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals while skipping most of the hard/impossible tracks, including Zaishen;
 * If you plan to complete the Hall of Monuments, only Rank 3 Zaishen is required, which is not hard to earn.
 * The emote can be used as early as Rank 1, altough it does 'improve' at later levels.

Wow
Why does everyone complain? If you don't like the title, don't get it and please just stfu. :) --222.154.33.191 04:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He's right !92.85.204.63 13:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Look I don't mind that they have this title, in fact I like it as I always wanted another way to spend my balth. The thing I don't understand is why make it possible to get to high level of this title without any pvp technically necessary? they could have easily made it so that you get points from winning pvp matches or make it so you turn in your balth directly to Tolkano or the balthazar guy. but instead they had to introduce z-keys which can be bought with gold, that is a simple fact. so... why? Roflmaomgz 19:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * gold sink --JonTheMon 20:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, so that you can sell it instead of using it. So... trade, and goldsink. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 15:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seriously, learn the damn definition of gold sink. Gold never leaves the game. Gold sinks include armour, the Canthan Broadwalk ring games, consumeables, and skills. The Zaishen title is not a gold sink. --BlueNovember 12:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Go RR day!
Finaly got rank1 :D-- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250  Evil mantis thing commands you to feed him cookies. 09:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, why would you reveal you exploit RR day on a wiki hosted by ArenaNet when this is noted in Hero Battles (Zaishen quest) and you list your character names on your user page? :P--Silver Edge 21:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, I'm impressed. You cheated for a title that's effortless to get anyway. You just might be the worst player in the game. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * red resign is officially considered cheating by ArenaNet, since it is a form of match manipulation (source). Per GM ApplePython, "This would be considered a violation of the Rules of Conduct for match manipulation and is grounds for disciplinary actions if confirmed". hahahaha discipline for you XD
 * I like how he supports RR and on his main page he has a navbox that says "This user feels that Perma's are destroying GW's economy" ... ~Jason  Bacon  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 12:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ...Visiting someones userpage is like breaking into their house:Thanks.-- <font color="Green" size="3px">Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon4.jpg 11:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * lol woooooow internet toughness!! das sooo kewl guyz!! i wish i was like uuuuu -_- 03:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Worth getting the statue?
It's 1 mil gold if zkeys are 5k each (or 1 mil balth faction). I'm pretty sure most people are using their Z-coins for other things than z-keys. --Life Infusion &laquo;T&raquo; 20:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

HoM
Anyone know if this counts as a PvP title for HoM? Waar Kijk Je Naar 16:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See the FAQ --71.95.40.16 16:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks. I guess I didn't notice that part :P Waar Kijk Je Naar 17:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What rank is it displayed at? is it r12 like the others or can you do it at a lower r like lux and kurz faction?

Zaishen Quests

 * Hero: I have vanquished foes, fought Kurzick and Luxon alike, and traveled far and wide to do the most challenging of missions and saved Tyria from destruction countless times all in your glourious name, have I not earned your gratitude oh Heroes of the Zaishen order?
 * Priest of Balthazar: By Balthazar's beard of course not
 * Hero: hmmm I guess I'll use this Zaishen key now then seeing as i've done everything else I can..
 * PoB: YOU ARE TRULY A SUPPORTER OF THE ZAISHEN!
 * Hero: o.O say what now?

from that short bit of script I mean, why the hell dont you gain points for Z-quests, nothing game breaking, 1-5 each, depending on difficulty :/ seems fair enough, you are doing it FOR the Zaishen, I know you can spend the Z-coins on Keys, but why should you need to? why should Opening a chest deem you a title of the Hero of the Zaishen order? <font color="Blue"> Zachariah Zuan. 21:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it's really meant to be a PvP title (and is treated as such in the HoM). Be thankful that you can actually earn zcoins by killing monsters, as opposed to other players. -- Hong 12:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * well maybe that could be changed? I wouldn't mind them increasing the amount of points required if these quests allowed you to gain ranks in it, they're making alot of other titles more achievable like Legendary Defender of Ascalon and Drunkard might as well make this title more accessible for those who don't PvP especially helpful <font color="Blue"> Zachariah Zuan. 12:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)