Talk:Guild Wars Beyond

Charr?
After seeing the dialogue scene between the ebon vanguard and evianna(sp?), did anyone else instantly think about the next step in GWB being the final fight against the charr?Siris Of Elona 20:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Final? Why would it be the final? Next, sure. But final? Nah, there's so much to go on. Though, annoyingly, most of the good stuff mentioned in the Movement of the World is 30-70 years beyond EotN. Including the Fall of Ascalon, Joko's invasion, Usoku, and the first dragon's awakening. -- Konig / talk 00:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehhh poor choice in the word final. But out of curiosity, if it was king Adelhbern(sp?) that uses foefire(sp?), shouldn't that come sooner rather than later? he was an old guy in pre.. Siris / talk 01:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are multiple cases in GW of people living to an age older than Adelbern's age at death. He is in his 60's during Proph/Factions and thus he'd be in his 90's come his unnatural death. And it is Evennia, Adelbern, and Foefire. -- Konig / talk 01:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Touche. And i got one out of the three spelled correctly. if i remember spelling class, i believe i failed. :) Siris / talk  02:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

"Keeping an old game new" reference
I know that there was a Massively Flameseeker's column, and in one of them, they mentioned that the staff of GW would be focusing on keeping an old game new. Maybe this pertains to it? --Sage  Talk  22:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Pre announcement additions
They haven't been officially noted to be part of Guild Wars Beyond. I'll leave them for now, but I'm just throwing it out there. --Sage  Talk  22:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

So.
Just gona explain pritty much (around) 50 years into the future before our characters should die?... Great... -- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord  23:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Bloodstone Sacrifice
There's evidence that Orrions were already doing it... (however what popped out was usually Nightmares instead possibly meaning that some in Orr still worshiped Menzies), plus Menzies' Army closely resembles the White Mantle...  Not to get too Spoiler-ry here;  But isn't a little inconsistent for Linsey to say that sacrifices on the Bloodstones were directly to the Mursaat when the Bloodstones were actually made by the 5 Gods to help contain the Titans at the time? (aka: the Arch Mages of the Four Schools of Magic), along with Abbadon and his Foundry of Failed Creations? Sacrifices on them simply Re-powered them and reaffirmed the barriers originally set forth by the 5 Gods... Saying anything beyond that assigns them(the Mursaat?) a Partisan bias in that conflict. ....or was this a slip of the tongue and she's witholding info that the Mursaat still have access to bloodstones that they're repowering for other more sinister means now? I mean she did come out as say they're the bad guys right? ...But containing the Titans wasn't an antagonistic goal. -- ilr  23:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting point.... Maybe the Mursaat aren't so bad after all. Good intentions, Bad execution anyone?--Sage  Talk  00:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a pretty extensive debate on the Mursaat discussion page about how good or evil they actually were. Personally, it seems to me that the mursaat were pretty much looking out for themselves, and their actions (keeping the titans sealed) just happened to benefit the rest of Tyria as well.
 * What does all this have to do with Guild Wars Beyond, though? 68.118.250.100 01:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ... It's one or the other, it can't be both.  -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 09:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, evidence of the Orrians sacrificing people? Where is this comes from? The Nightmares are not all connected to the Shadow Army - think of it like this: "All shadow army are Nightmares, but not all Nightmares are Shadow Army." The Shadow Army holds no connection to the White Mantle, this was stated by a dev (I think Linsey). The Bloodstone was not made to hold back the Titans, it was made to reduce the use of magic. The Soul Batteries and the Door of Komalie are used to hold back the Titans, the Bloodstone is just acting like a battery charger. What is this "Arch Mages of the Four Schools of Magic"? I've never heard of such a thing.
 * Irl, your knowledge of lore is very flawed. Not a single word was correct. Except that the Foundry of Failed Creations and Abaddon are on the other side of the Door of Komalie. -- Konig / talk 09:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * LULZ!, You couldn't even spell my 3-letter name right, WTF do you know about Accuracy? Go read the Lore again and don't just skim over it this time. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 17:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm slightly dislexic, so apologies if I do irl instead of ilr or jsut instead of just. It happens. But honestly, I know the lore, and I didn't skim over it. I read it over, multiple times. -- Konig / talk 17:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that the Mantle were being used by the Mursaat to gather the Flameseeker chosen to be sacrificed to power the Door of Komalie. It's probabaly the deal of that's how the bloodstones will only work, so the Mursaat didn't see any other way. They didn't quite voluntarily choose to do so. It's the White Mantle that blew it out of proportion with their opression and such.--Sage  Talk  13:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I've always read it the other way around: The Flameseeker Prophecies tell of the Mursaat meeting their demise at the hands of the chosen, so I always saw the sacrifices as getting rid of the chosen to keep themselves safe. The charging of the Soul Batteries always seemed like a positive side-effect of sorts to me. -- 84.178.113.129 15:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Note that the Nightmares looking like White Mantle reskins is just a side-efefct of making models from them. It is have been already stated (and I think it's noted in the unanswered questions project) that they have no relation whatsoever to each other. If I had to make up any relation to explain that lore-wise, it would be that Nightmares look like White Mantles because Nightmares would shape after things that players hate or fear, an nothing else. By that theory, If players feared or hated bananas, then the Menzies army would consist of dark desaturated spiked bananas. MithTalk 16:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I personally come to this wiki so that I can check something that I have forgotten, so I am thankful for guys like irl for that - their theories on lore however .... 84.92.169.252 00:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The prophecy in Prophecies was the end of the Mursaat by the titans. The titans are actually constructs controlled by the Scepter of Orr and their destructive rampage was because of the Lich's command to them.  The scepter vanishes at the end of Prophecies, so it is not possible to reverse the Lich's command, thus they continue to do what they were ordered to do.  As for the bloodstones, I believe only two things are known - they keep magic separated and sacrifices on them are used to power the soul batteries used by the Mursaat.  I would agree with the point of view that the Mursaat are out for themselves.  --Falseprophet 19:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah ha! You are incorrect, the Titan's Rampage was not because of the Lich, they rampaged because they were angry with humans for trying to control them (as far as they were concerned the Lich was a human). If you read some of the quest dialogues and the Big Masses of text, you would see this. The scepter had nothing to with CONTINUEING the rampage. They can only be controlled whilst someone holds the scepter. Sorry for bad spelling--Dervashah talk 06:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Ebonhawke and the retcon
The claim of the retcon is due to [ this], which could very well either be a typo, or a generalization of the date. It says "250 years" instead of "230 years" - since the fall is said to take place at about 20 years after EN. I don't think it is a retcon and, aside from that tiny note, there is nothing to say it is a retcon. I say remove that note. I also say to remove the note about Keiran and Gwen since that too is unconfirmed and the only evidence is what was first from an article (with no credentials I saw that says "this info comes from Anet") that said that Gwen, an elementalist, and Keiran are "destined" to be married and establish Ebonhawke. Then nearly 24 hours later, other articles from different sites came out with a word for word copy, with the single change of changing elementalist to mesmer. I'm doubting that is official, so until we have more reason to believe it is official I think it would be best to leave speculation - which the page currently states that it is speculation - off of the page. -- Konig / talk 19:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looked legit at first, but upon inspection, has nothing to fall back on. In this, which is linked on guildwars.com, Linsey did not mention anything about Gwen and Keiran getting together. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 20:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't believe anyone thought that an article calling Gwen an ele was credible. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The press release is legit. It can even be found at the NCSoft website - though unfortunately, the full contents that header links to are no longer available there. Cheiron 09:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still skeptical about the press release, seeing how the part which is the point of concern is not ever pointed out. And I doubt that Anet and NCSoft communicate on every little thing. Edit: The 404 on the link just furthers my skepticism. -- Konig / talk 11:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already asked Regina about this. Let's see what she has to say, if anything. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 13:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * NCSOFT DOESN'T KNOW GWEN IS A MESMER?? Oh wait...  It's NCSoft.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The official press release from Anet has been fixed. (Both the link and Gwen's profession.) Shouldn't this be used as ref.2 instead of the Rock, Paper, Shotgun article?

Something for Pre
It's just a suggestion/thought in a way, But it would be great if they could add another area and maybe Rin into pre-searing. As part of Guild wars Beyond so that we can meet a young Lt. Thackeray. Some other bonuses for people in who play in Pre-searing is that Rin could have A better weapon smith and maybe a few new people to get some more skills such as Hammer skills for warriors, and Resurrect for Monk instead of the signet. It's just a thought. Like Rin could be right by the wall and the door way is in Green Hills. Here is what i am trying to say. And aggain just a suggestion/thought. --♥♥Sweet ♥ Sweet♥♥ 04:20, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Live Team doesn't have the resources to create an entire city, nice idea but very unlikely. Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 16:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How do they not? last year they managed to do that Zaishen Menagerie so why not make a extra city. 77.102.52.40
 * It is very unlikely they touching anything more in Pre-Searing. Even a simple NPC for costumes was declined. It seems Nicholas was the last thing they'll ever add there. At least they completed the Krytan armor with headgear piece. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 23:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Linsey had already said in a past interview with Kill Ten Rats that the Live Team will not add anything to pre. Also, I think the Zaishen Menagerie was pre-existing, as one was able to see part of the map from HA's outpost for a LONG time before the Menagerie's release. And the Live Team doesn't have enough people for creation of new things. -- Konig / talk 23:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Pre is not a "game," it's a tutorial. Besides, the devs (especially Linsey) have expressed a solid stance on keeping Pre "as it is" - no "fancy" new stuff in there, not even as much as costumes. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 01:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Pre is not much of a tutorial. Unless you pay attention to the warning messages, you are on your own if you want to learn anything, unlike the other two halves of learning areas, in which an NPC takes you through a quick basic tutorial. And the other half of the learning areas is until you get the Signet of Capture, that is, Shing Jea, Istan and Ascalon/Northern Shiverpeaks, in the basic tutorial, you don't get to try things like map travel or making parties. Not that it matters much. I'm just saying that players that make their very first character in Shing Jea and Istan seem to be 'more prepared' and make less 'stupid questions' than those that start in Pre. Not that it matters much for this, though. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 11:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, the problem with adding significant content to Pre is that it's only accessible by characters made in Prophecies, who have not seared yet, and access is lost forever once you leave. So, this means that any Pre content has a very limited audience. Anyone who doesn't have a "perma-pre" or a spare character slot to roll a new Pre char, will completely miss out on the results of all the work required to put this together. This in my mind is the primary reason they don't want to put a bunch of work into Pre, and I completely understand that. Rose Of Kali 16:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Still would have been nice to have a new area in Pre but I guess thats just whishfull thing then. But I really would have loved to seen Rin before it got sent to hell by the Charr. --♥♥Sweet ♥ Sweet♥♥ 16:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

We dont burn O.O - Also, my opinion on the matter is that Pre is 2 years before the rest of the game.And GW:B was designed for events that happen AFTER EOTN:, Making anything extra happening in pre, Canon. -- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord  16:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "...made in Prophecies, who have not seared yet. - Rose Of Kali"


 * FYI, "searing a character" is a common expression for taking a character out of Pre, regardless of how much or little sense it makes linguistically. >_< [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 18:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You overdid the rurik, Looks like shrimp :D -- Nei l2250   ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignoring most of the conversation and jumping up to Sweet's first post: I'd rather see them make Piken Square a town for pre searing. A weapon smith would be nice plus the usual npcs (merchant, guards, etc). The town is already there. Couldn't they jsut reword some code and add a portal to the entry way? No more need for "gate monkeys" as well as a reduce in spam for Ascalon City. It'd be even nicer (imo) if it required a level restriction to enter the town via an npc guard outside, say 9+? That'd eliminate "noobs" just looking for power leveling. Back up to my point about spam it would probably move a lot of the weapon trade chats over to Piken as well. -- Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]]  Talk  02:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that would work too. It is a pain of having to need a GM just to get Charr Kits and so forth.--♥♥Sweet ♥ Sweet♥♥ 05:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * With a Piken Square outpost I could go. The area is always empty, no charr go near it, and the base of the area is already made. You could even put there some younger versions of NPCs that would later be found as part of the Ebon Vanguard. But I would only let in characters at level 16 and higher. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh cool. Yeah, I really like that idea. Have an elite outpost in pre! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 13:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be awesome to see Rin and several of the other cities before the Searing. Honestly though I think it would probably be best handled by another Bonus Mission Pack that followed Vanguard members before, immediately after, and actually during the Searing.  As much as I would love to see it in free content, I have to wonder how much manpower and budget they can devote to creating Pre cities that would actually satisfy the fan base.Kalessin 20:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Guild Wars...in SPACE
That's all that came to mind when I read Guild Wars Beyond. And then I read the article. And then I understood. Arcdash 19:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What else then "Oh dear God, please save us!" should I say? Nope, can't think of anything.
 * I wanna kill an alien 8D -- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 19:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Go kill a human in GW then, Neil. They are the most alien race in GW that we know of (they're the only confirmed race that isn't native to Tyria - Forgotten is semi-confirmed because it was originally stated they weren't from Tyria, but now that's being questioned). -- Konig / talk 19:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Organization
It needs to be changed. Not only is Zinn's Task not core, neither is Trial of Zinn - both are, in fact, multiple as core means any campaign, while those two require all campaigns. Big difference. Also, since Trial of Zinn requires all 4 games, and as does the Gwen/Thackeray stuff, the WiK is also requiring all 4 games as the trial and EN stuff is part of the WiK, thus the WiK is not "Prophecies." I suggest we remove the campaign bit, put the Zinn's Task back under unconfirmed unless someone has a source for an IP's change, and organize things by the name of events (that is, replace the campaign line with the WiK line and then move the three things (Zinn, G/T, and WiK changes) under that). BTW, technically, the trial and Gwen/Thackeray stuff is part of WiK as it is explaining why they aid the SB and Salma in that. -- Konig / talk 19:27, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep! Agreed. Does anybody disapprove of Konig's proposal? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 17:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not me, "Core" goes for either "Battle Isles" or "Any Campaign". But "All campaigns" is definitely different to "Any campaign". Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 19:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, and thus far, the only "core" has been the ZQuest, Nicholas the Traveler, and Dhuum additions. Everything else has been "Multiple Campaigns" - whether Proph+EN or Proph+Fac+NF or Proph+Fac+NF+EN, there has been no single campaign (even if the majority of something took place in a single campaign - e.g., WiK) and minimal core. -- Konig / talk 00:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Start
So if the Halloween additions are decidedly a part of GWB, then the opening sentence, saying the updates and additions began with the 5th birthday, are kinda false, aren't they? (P.S. I'm still just lurking) calor   (talk)  21:19, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is found to be the start, or should it even be as early as M.O.X. and Zinn's Task, then the first sentence could be changed. But as of yet, the first known part of GWB is the WiK, everything else is just speculation. -- Konig / talk 03:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What makes you think the Halloween additions were part of GWB? And, actually, the first known parts of GWB were the dialoges between Gwen and Lt. Thackeray in the HoM. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 14:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And said dialogues are, in fact, a part of the WiK (kind of - you need them to go through the whole WiK). -- Konig / talk 15:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Some parts were linked and some 'absorbed' by WiK. You need to finish Prophecies or Eye of the North to start it, but they are not part of it. Same with Zinn's missions, the trial is part of WiK, but not the missions. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 15:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As the name suggests, Guild Wars Beyond is about furthering the GW story line to link it up with the changes which take place leading into Guild Wars 2. From what I've seen the only thing which fits into that idea is the War in Kryta and the Gwen/Thackeray story. All other content the Live Team has made has nothing to do with furthering the Guild Wars story, even the Dhuum stuff is self contained lore fluff to revamp the Underworld. 122.105.106.192 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ....so what you are saying is the Guild Wars Beyond ACTUALLY began...when prophecies was released??? Man Arenanet had everything planned out well :)-- Flaming Renegade  [[Image:User Flaming Renegade Signature.jpg|16px]] 06:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thackery and Langmar
Any news? They kind of left us out of the loop, without a followup. I'm guessing this means more Guild Wars Beyond or something. Also What of Evennia? Any ideas?--Dervashah talk 13:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just discoverd the new dialogue in the Hall of Monuments. Gwen is now the new Captain of the Vanguard, Langmar is dead. Thackery (aparently) is making his way north or is dead. Dian was ordered to involve the norn. I am assuming this leads to some whole new series of events. Still nothing of Evennia. By the way Gwen cries afterwards. --Dervashah talk 13:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gwen always cries. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">13:38, 16 July 2010  (UTC)
 * It's a Cry of Pain, emotional pain. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 17:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heres some random dialogue for them thackeray lovers ..........It's clear that the White Mantle army advanced on this location. If Langmar and Thackeray were indeed here, they would have had to choose between an impossible fight or the treacherous water below. Nothing remains to suggest the outcome. The Emmisary 17:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What bothers me is why can they go to the north of the Giant Basin lake, but we can't go any norther than Divinity Coast. I want to have a look there too! Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 18:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a shame even Lesser Giant's Basin is too large to see across even at the shortest length. I'd like to at least pay respects to Langmar's grave even if it has to be at a distance. -Yossitaru 01:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe they are adding new areas??? :D yeah I know thats probably too much to ask for hah.-- Flaming Renegade  [[Image:User Flaming Renegade Signature.jpg|16px]] 06:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It would make sense for there to be a new area, but we must keep in mind they only have so much in the way of resources... <font color="#2E8B57 ">Siris / <font color="#000000 ">talk  15:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * all we CAN say is don't expect a new region xD <font color="Blue"> Zachariah Zuan. 19:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

John Stumme mentioning some things
I stumbled upon some information on the talkpage of John Stumme, which could be added to the page. ''Well, I can at least tell you that we're going to be wrapping up one of those major storylines, and I think we've got some pretty cool things planned for it. One of the others, well, it's not forgotten but I think we might hold onto it for a while (as it will be part of another storyline.) We're also starting to plan out the next major story arc that'll happen (Cantha? Elona? Mystery!) ... is that vague but enticing enough? XD John Stumme 18:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)'' Didis 07:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

PvP rumor
I heard that GW will be getting a new PvP mode, with pre set skill deck. just putting that out there.--Knighthonor 03:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Codex Arena which has been around for a year, or perhaps Costume Brawl which comes around every October? - Tanetris 04:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * a Costume Brawl --> Overhaul is most likely the source of that Rumor Twisting. Infact they suspended Dervish development to do it which makes me **as a Dervish Main**  ...very happy b/c the longer they put off making my main class worse, the better.  And don't just call me a negative nancy whiner on that without actually looking at all the previous dervish nerfs they've done that they considered "fixing/improving" -->  Ebon Dust Aura, Arcane Zeal, Meditation, Aura Slicer, Dwayna's Touch, Featherfoot Grace, Grenth's Aura, Vow of Piety, etc..  ..with the exception of Pious Restoration, every change they've ever made has only made the dervish primary worse and less versatile.  It used to be my primary farming character too but now I've had to switch to a Mesmer & Rit instead. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 18:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So you think the Dervish overhaul will be different from the Rit, Mes, Hammer, Tactics, Blood, etc overhauls just because it's a Dervish? <font color="#008800">Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 18:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All of those lines you just cited provide or relieve Pressure & already were brimming with Utility. ...Dervish will be different b/c it never offered ANY of those things. And the skills it did offer them on... got NURF'D (that's why i |||'d them) -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 17:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The dervish changes, in my opinion, will be far better than the mesmer and rit changes made previously. They won't make dervishes "worse." ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * dot dot dot.... -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 16:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Dervishes do need a bit of a fix.. being that several other classes are actually better with scythes than dervishes. That, and at the moment wind prayers is a bit of a mess... but let's not get too of topic here.~ Reez 16:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Crisis in Cantha
About time. Lets go pwn some birds! -- 72.218.69.197 03:25:28, 05 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Warden! Revolt!-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  05:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Naga have a long trip ahead of them. 24.197.253.243 06:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mantids will rise and eat everyone Demonic Fahrir talk 06:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What about Lt. Thackeray?! When we gonna get to go find him?! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 18:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * CLEARLY Lt. Thackeray floated allllll the way down to Cantha. It only makes sense.-- Flaming Renegade  [[Image:User Flaming Renegade Signature.jpg|16px]] 21:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe he found a hole, then an Asura Gate, and then he ended up at the tunnel the Dredge used to get to Cantha from the mainland. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 00:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That would mean there could be a GW2 Factions equivalent :P <font color="Blue">Mal 09:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "“Crisis in Cantha”—it’s not really named this…at least not yet."" -- Blog quote... /Semantics Fapping  -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 17:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A Ritualist Dredge! It will be a Ritualist Dredge! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haw-cough! *cough* Ahem... a Ritualist dredge. I doubt it being THackeray, we already have 3 rangers. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

GW:2 storyline, Luxon and Kurzick armies are gone, the entire country of cantha has become Kaineng. Anyone think that we're going to be helping with this come GW:B material? Setting something in motion that basically puts the entire country in the hands of the emporer? -- Briar    The Spider  21:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

New hero
GIVE ME A TENGU HERO!!!! -- Master   Briar   18:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking it might be either an Assassin or a Ritualist. Snowstone 20:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol ya think? -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 22:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, its not gonna be what you think... Maybe a 4th ele? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 05:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When they said "its not gonna be what you think" i think they were talking bout WHO is gonna be the hero, not the hero's prof. Magamdy 08:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * $500 says it'll be a Yeti paragon. 66.183.242.205 04:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1 plat says it will be Shiro. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm calling Naga right now. Sneaker 20:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Dredge ritualist. They are already blind, and you can always use another ritualist. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 23:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah .... Shard beat me to it, I'll throw in another plat on Shiro. --<span style=”font-family:Verdana;color:#3FF">Manassas  [[File: User Manassas Mannysig.png]] 12:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of a donkey with a supernatural capcity to carry things around, with whome we could go farming side by side. Yseron - 86.64.70.44 13:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * These are all crazy ideas... maybe the hero is Thackery? -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  22:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a FEMALE ele? I want one. Ox rider 11:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopes are on an Angchu Tengu (Canthan storyline relation?) or another Norn. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  16:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Something Nobody expects... I Got It! The Lunatic Court will Succeed! The Mad King will be the new Hero! (At least that's what I think)-Jollymormongiant
 * I wouldn't mind that... Have you seen how quickly he can kill crowds of people when they don't listen to him? I would take him to UW and let him tell his jokes. All i would have to do is collect all the ecto. -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  22:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's probably not human.. and we can only hope that it isn't another assasin.. oddly, first thing that came to mind was a naga ritualist. But clearly it's going to be Shiro, but a chronomancer~Reez 23:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If my logic is right then the new hero primary class can be: assasin, rit, paragon. There are already 3 heroes for the other classes.Thedukesd 08:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

"There are already 3 heroes for the other classes.Thedukesd" Norgu is fat, but still just one hero. So, with Gwen that makes 2 mesmers.--Sharkinu 08:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Call me crazy, but I was hoping you could have alternate characters on your account as heroes. :} -- Spigs 23:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Evennia! She'll play a bigger part they say... But tbh I doubt they'll add a fourth Monk... Maybe she'll be a god too... Gotta love speculations. <font color="Blue">Mal 12:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think they'll add a 7th god now, unless the GW2 character creation demo wasn't showing everything (ofc it wasn't, but you know what I'm saying) you can only choose from the 5+ Kormir, besides 2 new female gods? Sexism much91.177.35.90 17:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Dout it, i bet it'l be a combination of Abaddon's fist,
 * rurik's other hand, shiro's left leg,
 * the lich's wings, togo's right leg,
 * the body of a rain beetle, the horns of a gaki,
 * the tail of a devourer,
 * ghostly hero's head with kormir's (lack of) eyes,
 * and will be every profession at the same time.
 * User Neil2250 Because i take stuff way to srsly.png <-- Totaly that.
 * Enjoy.--<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 12:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, are you ok Neil? Tidas 13:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * lol... Definately going to be that... Though, even though mes, rit, and sin are the best guess, if they remove the hero cap it could just as well be anything. And I dearly hope the do not make another assassin.~ Reez 16:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fun fact: The next Hero is neither an Assassin, nor a Ranger! John Stumme 01:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Definately the picture above right? (Also... Good news for me.) -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  01:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm putting my money on a hero who's primary and secondary profession can be changed. Would be even more fun if it's gonna be a hero who uses a GW2 only profession, but then again that would be a hassle with the skills. Still would be fun to have a hero that serves as a teaser and has some elements of a new profession from gw2 to itDamysticreaper 19:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I sincerely hope the new hero isn't Cantha's severely ADHD-impaired version of Mhenlo >.< Maybe we have to choose between a Luxon or a Kurzick hero, depending on our affiliation...--150.200.222.207 23:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * John! You can't just leave it like that! If it's not going to be an Assassin then who in the world was that Mysterious Assassin?! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 09:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone you'll be meeting very soon. /cryptic answer John Stumme 19:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That reminds me... did you know that Mysterion was actually Kenny? Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 13:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How is that AT ALL relevant to this (other than the first 8 letters)? -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi '  talk  20:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm starting to think more and more that the Mysterious Assassin is just a red herring. 98.210.8.185 20:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please no more gods being created from worthless NPCS!!! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 3.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not mysteious assasin, they said "it won't be what you expect"... mysterious is too obvious. And an assasin.~ Reez 14:23, 13 November 2010
 * We already have a Luxon hero, probably will be Kurzick if it's aligned. Hopefully a Wallow like Brutus and Sheena coss they are AWESOME. Z  encow [[Image:User_Ox_rider_Sig.png]] 09:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A wallow would be awesome... but not a kurzick one, luxons are better! -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  13:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Luxon Wallow vs Kurzick Wallow! yeah kurzick wallows are more squishy (less armor) and no-one moves in pve anyway so having more curses for weaken knees is pointless therefore luxon wallow wins! Z  encow [[Image:User_Ox_rider_Sig.png]] 20:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * @Sharkinu well Norgo = 2 heroes :D . I knew from the start that something is wrong with him. Joking. Yep I forgot about Me. My fault. Thedukesd 20:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The most shocking thing they could do, is make the new hero a preview of the new class that'll be in the next super sekrit expansion Linsey's been heading up. (Remember: it's only a secret because you don't know about it yet.) -- 17:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to believe ! Yseron - 90.15.59.4 18:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Tengu Paragon. Can't be anything else but that. Arshay Duskbrow 23:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still holding out my hopes that it will be a 4th ele and female. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 00:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a Nameless Lich hero? 66.170.212.17 08:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * new hero found in .dat --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 08:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ghostly Togo perhaps? 95.180.76.188 12:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Or Kuunavang.Damysticreaper 13:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Saul D'Alessio as a mesmer!!!Anonymous 10:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

And the cruelest thing they could do, is... say it won't be an assassin or a ranger.... then it's an assassin AND a ranger. And then you get keiran and miku. John, if you do this I will hate you like a spoiled tweenager for life ;_; -- 16:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * They said one hero, not two, and if you say ranger and assassin... Wasn't Thackery a R/A in the missions? -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  17:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * R/P actuallyDamysticreaper 18:40, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, well, maybe. On Keiran Thackeray (Disguise) talk page there is a discussion about whether he is really R/P becuase his para skills use expertise. Look here. -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  14:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I might actually have to go with Ghostly Togo! Another Rit is very plausible and it would make a good link to Winds of Change. Truth is, some hero we don't know anything about yet is something we can't possibly expect. <font color="Blue">Mal 15:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * New hero :/ -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  23:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator
This was JUST released on the Guild Wars 2 website, This needs BIG MENTION on the 2 wikis!!!! http://hom.guildwars2.com/index.html <font face="Papyrus">Devi Talk  15:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a little invasive, I can view anyone's hom there. Tidas 15:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that as well, I feel they may change it quickly. [[Image:Dervish-tango-icon-20.png|19px]] <font face="Papyrus">Devi Talk 15:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * They should not. Anyone that goes around with Obsidian armor and Chaos gloves and boast about being some kind of ultimate player, but has less than 15 things in there should know that people will know he is just a showoff fake. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 22:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How's that invasive?  ...*boggle*...  It's not showing inventory, only the personas' titles & dedications.  If someone is either a completionist achiever or total newb, those qualities generally came through already in any day to day interactions with them and nothing we see here will be any different from what you can already deduce by looking directly at which of these rewards they'll have in GW2.  ...or anyone who thinks it's "invasive" will now have to hide all these rewards when playing Gw2 b/c it's the same damn thing.  And if they try to require authentication for this web App, they'll only hasten the REAL theft of people's accounts by spyware directly embedded in the web browsers of unwary morons who don't regularly clean for internet worms&malware. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 22:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone try devs character names ? Yseron - 90.14.97.116 22:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Joe Kimmes added a link to his on his userpage. --Silver Edge 23:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Funny how the link doesn't work, led to a "page not found."--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 00:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You can try using the name Joe Kimmes. All names for staff are reserved. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 00:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The link didn't work before, because they have since moved the page to http://hom.guildwars2.com/#page=welcome. --Silver Edge 02:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Segment in Cantha?!?!
Its about time Factions got some storyline love! -- <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  15:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah. I'd like to see its lore actually tie in with the rest of the world. Otherwise, if you want to learn the Guild Wars story, you just have to play Prophecies, Nightfall and EotN. :/ – NuclearDuckie 10:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How much did it actually tie in though? ...I mean apart from the Fortune Teller, there was no overlap with the other 2-1/2 chapters of the game.  ...other than some canthan henchmen and Shiroken randomly showing up... The exigencies & themes in Prophs, NF, and EotN have been much more cohesive in their continuity by comparison (gogogadget fancy literature terms!) -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 19:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably due to those three being neighbors, while Cantha is across the ocean. Also, there was plenty of ties surrounding Shiro - you have him, the quests revolving around the Fortune Teller, and you got the quests revolving around the Hunter (which is probably part of what you meant by "Shiro'ken randomly showing up"), and in the first and last, you got connections between Shiro and Khilbron, while in the second you got ties between Shiro and Abaddon. There's not a lot in NF, but the few there are important to the background to the storyline of Factions. Oh, you also got the Zaishen appearing in Tombs and Nightfall, and the three Canthan heroes (Jin, Zenmai, and Sousuke). -- Konig / talk 20:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Embark Beach and Full Hero Party
I don't think this information belongs on the GW:B page as it isn't part of the GW:B story arcs. These are going to be general changes that will be available to all players, not just those playing the GW:B stories. --Musha 18:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree. This wiki has defined "Guild Wars Beyond" to include both storylines (WiK, Gwen & Thack) and generic changes (the two Nicks, zquests, Waiting Game, ...). Will Embark Beach be available to everyone? Or will it require meeting some post-campaign threshold, such as for WiK and (separately) for Gwen/Thack? If the latter, then it certainly is Beyond the game originally available. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe the 7 hero thing will just be in Embark, the details were vague. &mdash;  Skakid  19:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hero parties are for anywhere you can already use Heroes. If you've unlocked them, you can use them. It would only hurt us to limit Hero parties to coming out of one outpost. John Stumme 19:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit counter productive to make it 7 heroes allow from Embark only, since the point of Embark is to promote people getting together. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  20:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * @ TEF. There are actually only 3 GWB elements so far. They are WiK, Gwen & Thack, and Zinn's trial. Everything else you listed is NOT part of GWB and it is so stated on the Guild Wars Beyond page. The Embark Beach will be an outpost where players can meet up and do missions together, so yes, it will be accessible to all players, just as the ZQuests are, not just to post-campaign players. It therefore is not part of GWB and does not belong on this page. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 20:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Even though it isn't technically part of GWB in terms of being in the storyline arcs or actual added gameplay, I think it deserves a spot on this page just as much as the Zaishen missions, the Traveler, and The Menagerie, and when implemented, should be included in the same section as them. ~Farlo Talk 07:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Another good point. Those other items have been confirmed to NOT be part of GWB, so why are they even listed on this page? It is seriously ridiculous to have them listed on the page as "the following items are not part of GWB even though they were released after the campaigns." We might as well add the bonus mission pack to that list, as well as MOX, the Igneous Summoning Stoneand even Dhuum. Just because they were released AFTER the campaigns does NOT mean they are part of GWB. GWB has been defined as "an ongoing campaign that expands upon the Guild Wars storyline by focusing on key characters and historical events that shape the world in the years leading up to Guild Wars 2." In what way do the Zquests, the Traveler, and Embark Beach meet that criteria? They do not expand upon the Guild Wars storyline, nor do they focus on key characters involved in shaping the GW2 world. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 14:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * When the GWB article was created, ANet was using the term GWB in blogs/interviews, but not on their official announcements. People here attempted to put together a list of things that they thought fit a category of elements that seemed designed to maintain interest in GW1, without reaching the level of a campaign/expansion. Now that ANet is making fuller use of the term...and now that they seem to be using it in the narrow sense of gap-bridging/expanded-lore content, maybe you are right that we should revamp the article accordingly.


 * However, I don't think it's crazy to leave things alone because, in-game, many players (though not all) use GWB more informally and include the new UW, the new Nicks, and so forth.


 * There are also many players who have completed WiK/Thack & Gwen/etc, but have never heard of Guild Wars Beyond. These include folks who have returned to GW1 after long absences, but also those who don't bother reading the wiki as religiously as some of us, don't visit guru, and don't follow tweets/blogs from ANet. If not this article, I'd like to find some other way of helping them see what's new and important, without having to sort through every single game update. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Musha's just wasting words on this topic. The Entire point of Embark & 7-heroes is to address grouping issues that arose with WiK content... hence why it was in that blog.  And everything since Linsey's first content update involving Storage increases has been Expansion content beyond E.o.t.N. that was in no way compulsory to previous paid-for content.  Therefore everything that added new features or removed them (HB & PvP hench) has been "Beyond" content as well.  We're free to ignore that fact on this Wiki too I guess, but only b/c no one from Anet will talk to us anymore about it, atleast not directly on the wiki.  IE: make any assumption you damn well please b/c it's not gonna be confirmed or denied either way . -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 20:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * On a completely random note: Full hero party means UW is going to be so easy now. Lol. -- Briar  User Briar Sig 3.jpg  The Spider  08:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * lol, I know. I actually made a note that they'd need to limit some area's hero limits for balancing when I got that question on their survey. I just wonder whether or not they'll do it? ~Reez 16:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * - QFE ... now let the speculation begin on whether this is partially motivated by GW2's development schedule < / [[image:Jungle_Troll.jpg|26px]] > -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 05:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's not much to speculate on - GW2's development schedule doesn't impact us, the Live Team is a completely separate entity. We're off in our own part of the building, and it's pretty awesome there. And when I say "awesome", I mean "Joe has EVA units on his desk doing the Kamina pose," kind of awesome. So the biggest motivating factor for it happening is just that it's something that I wanted added to the game because I think Heroes/Embark are going to be helpful to different types of players at this stage of the game's life. John Stumme 04:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey john can you release the storage panes for free now that linsey is gone? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 3.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after all the rest of us actually spent money to get them. Good idea! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 07:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, Name Change needs to be free, some of us have VERY bad names. -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  13:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Winds of Change
Oh Oh I've got a theory ... and i'm looking for confirmation XD ... Winds of change, and the similarity of that name to The Jade Wind, since we killed Shiro already ... years ago, wouldn't it be time to start thawing out the jade sea and the echovald forest? ... not completely cause i know that'd take the team too long to do it ... but just the start of it? Sneaker 08:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * LOVE that idea :D though they would have to use something like they're quasi-phasing quest thingies (like how after completing the War in Kryta you can only get back to the changes places by having the related quests?). Also, that would eat up a lot of produciton hours if they had to revamp an entire explorable area (continent) just for some content but it would be WONDERFUL to see! :D 161.184.88.202 19:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I got more of the impression of the jade wind caused the luxons and kurz to start warring more, so the winds of change might be the start of ending that war and uniting cantha.--Elemental Phantom 21:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My fantasy is below :)
 * I think that after defeating Shiro situation in Cantha became more or less stabilised; Kurzicks and Luxons are in stalemate permanent conflict and Emperor with his guards is somewhere between/above them both. As a result, this conflict cannot be a reason of deep changes. Intervention from other lands is possible in theory, but not very probable, Cantha is too far from Tyria and Elona and cannot be easily occupied; also there is no much reason to do this. So, we need to find the source of the problem inside... My point, this can be Mhenlo. Honestly, I never trusted this guy completely. We still know too few about his childhood and especially his parents. A new plot machine can be somewhere here...
 * Imagine Mhenlo as kind of Anakin Skywalker. His internal darkness eventually wakes up and begin to move him... to the dark side. And he attempts to convince his Kurzick friends to follow after him! Real horror will meet us in Echovald forest, which will change like a Jade Sea a few hundred years ago. Eventually we will participate in an epic battle between light and dark sides...
 * Fantasy is out :) --Slavic 21:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Returning
So, I plucked little quote out from the Massively interview...

Lich? Menzies? Random enemy that we don't know about yet and likely won't until the release? Speculate away!

~Reez 21:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, last year halloween was the introduction of Dhuum so i'm gonna go with Menzies and his shadow army for this year.Damysticreaper 22:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ohhh yay :) -- Nick 123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 22:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes please, add Menzies to the gameplay, that would be awesome, I don't really care about Lich though--Batousai 22:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone else returning? Maybe it is someone we don't know much about, perhaps the Nameless Lich? -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  01:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Mayby shiro? Coz of the Winds of Change? (little referance with the Jade Wind thing) --Mann Of Light 22:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Wedding
as obviose as it may be the part about that gwen is going to have her wedding before chrismas is speculation it sais there is going to be costumes for a wedding before christmas coud be somone else that is getting maried (im hoping for somone else gwen is a bit too obviose)greetz Naloj 15:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be fun if mad king thorn would return and marry salma, but i don't think that would happen.Damysticreaper 17:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be like a woman marrying her dead grandfather. 216.125.49.252 17:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Better for gwen than for some random gw fansite/wiki/etc person with favor in anet who wants to have an in-game wedding. :P 64.245.3.212 23:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * i think this can go away it has +- been confirmd with the new intervieuw on massively (edited it back)Naloj 11:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's Cynn and Mhenlo getting married?? 90.200.129.148 19:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

"Broken Link"
The 3rd reference, when clicked on, shows this message on the website 'Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator.' Can't do anything personally. 90.200.54.245 19:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I had the same problem and I REALLY want to see where this information was gleaned. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 23:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In the absence of a confirming link, shouldn't we remove (or hide) the Hearts of the North reference? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 23:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That reference was of leaked information and the thread was quickly deleted. However, the content is now out, thus doesn't need a reference. -- Konig / talk 23:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * URL of the dev update: "Hearts of the North" 64.245.3.212 23:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Prophecies? Eye of the North?
Does it really make sense to associate a campaign (or expansion) with GW:B content?
 * War in Kryta takes place in a Kryta that only geographically resembles the Prophecies Kryta; the world has moved on since Rurik's (second) death.
 * The Trial of Zinn is part of Asuran Allies, which makes it part of WiK &mdash; it is not a third component of GW:B.
 * Hearts of the North takes place in post-WiK Kryta and in the Hall of Monuments (which is EotN).

Consequently, I've removed the campaign reference and reduced the entries of official GWB to the two quest/mini-mish sequences, WiK and HotN. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC) By that reasoning, half of Hearts of the North isn't Hearts of the North or related to it, because it's a requirement for the War in Kryta. However, I fullheartedly agree that we shouldn't be linking these to the previous campaigns. Guild Wars Beyond, like Zinn's Task, Nicholas, and the Zaishen quests, is effectively all games rather than any individual or a core setting. Regarding the Trial of Zinn, it isn't really a chapter but I wouldn't say it is necessarily part of the War in Kryta. It's connected to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Zinn gets a future expansion on his story (including Blimm and perhaps Livia, setting the stage for Blimm's interest in necromancy, his disconnection to the Eternal Alchemy, and his rise in golemancy which was even hinted in the WiK, and Livia getting the Scepter of Orr for a time). I expect that we'll be getting a "Revenge of the Zinn" sometime in the future. -- Konig / talk 01:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Trial of Zinn is part of Asuran Allies, which makes it part of WiK &mdash; it is not a third component of GW:B."
 * A clarification on the whole of my comment: I think that the War in Kryta is intimately tied to at least 3 other chapters, and we know it is with 1 and the source of a second (Evennia in Ascalon). That said, I'm not opposed to the removal of the Trial of Zinn, just opposed to the reasons behind it. -- Konig / talk 01:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm glad we agree about the outcome b/c I'm having trouble following your reasoning today, Konig. I'll ask those offline or later &mdash; I would rather see you continuing with the other work that you're doing than satisfying my curiosity (it will either get resolved in future updates to articles/game or I can ask you when things settle down). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Campaign
How should we mark this stuff? Because all of content seems to be jumping back between being marked as EotN and Prophecies at the moment. Would "Beyond" work, or even further separate each section with "War in Kryta," "Hearts of the North," and eventually "Winds of Change?" I just think it's kind of odd that many of the pages don't have a link back to the related content, but instead just a the game it's in. --Mora 05:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Go with Beyond. It's not part of Eye of the North, Prophecies, or whathaveyou's storyline. You need them in order to do Beyond, but the new stuff isn't part of those campaigns. -- Konig / talk 05:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, while Beyond isn't a campaign or expansion, the Bonus Mission Pack isn't either, and it counts as its own bit - despite requiring one of the games as well (like Eye of the North), even if it does get 4 unique areas (then again, we got at least one area unique to Beyond atm, not including special versions of new area). -- Konig / talk 06:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Bonus Mission can be called a (mini-)campaign. And it's areas are completely separated from the rest of the world. But Guild Wars Beyond isn't. - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 10:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My two cents are here: User:Greener/Sandbox/Locations G R E E N E R  10:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In my book, GWB is an expanding chapter that is separate from the rest of the game. I think it deserves its own page to differentiate it from the rest of the campaigns/expansions (the BMP Id consider an expansion due to it's method of being added to the game. Its a purchase item, and it requires another campaign in order to work.)--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 12:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In Locations section the separation is ok (as i think it was decided back then). But using GWB in the quest infobox infoboxes might be confusing. - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 12:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference between GW:B and campaigns is GW:B is actually just part of the campaigns. It's part of multiple campaigns, which are not the same for all of GW:B. The BMP is very different from GW:B, since GW:B is nothing more than quest chains. It's not exactly separate from the rest of the game. <font color="#0AA">–~=<font color="#0AA">Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png <font color="#0AA">(τѧιк)  &larr;&hearts;– 12:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't see it as it's own campaign, but that doesn't matter in the case of edit warring. Leave it alone until we come to a consensus. --JonTheMon 16:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * What Jon said: let's leave things alone until at least HotN is completed. There are valid arguments supporting at least 3 different points of view (part of existing campaigns, new-yet-free expansion, independent festival-like quest/mish sequence). People seem to have strong feelings about each, but I don't see any consensus. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

"The difference between GW:B and campaigns is GW:B is actually just part of the campaigns." Not really. Yes, it requires the campaign to be owned - so does a lot of things that could be argued to not be part of the campaign (Zinn's Task for one). But it's not part of the campaign's story. It's a post-campaign experience, not part of it, but after the campaign. Not to mention that GW:Beyond is a called a campaign during an old press release when the War in Kryta was fresh. Even Linsey said it during an interview. I think people are mixing up "campaign" with "continent" - Guild Wars Prophecies is a campaign, Tyria is a continent, the War in Kryta is part of Tyria, but not part of Prophecies. It continues the story of Prophecies, but so does Nightfall and Eye of the North, but those are not in the parts of Tyria that is available through purchasing Prophecies. I think the biggest issue is that Beyond is free, but Prophecies and the rest are not, so it seems to me that some people are thinking this as "is it purchasable? Yes/No - If no, does it need a purchasable content to play? Yes/No - If yes, then it is part of that purchasable content," while other people (myself included) are thinking of it as "is it part of the original release? Yes/No - If no, is it a direct part of the storyline? Yes/No - If no, then it is its own campaign." (to clarify, Beyond is a continuation of the storyline, but not a direct part of it - Sorrow's Furnace and the Titan quests were direct additions to the Prophecies storyline, this is closer to a direct addition to Eye of the North, but isn't restricted to that so not part of it. IMO, the main thing to consider for this is whether or not it is solely for a specific campaign's story. Beyond overall is not, and Beyond is the "campaign's" name, not War in Kryta. Beyond is a series of related updates that act as free expansions to the previous campaigns and Eye of the North. It is, in my honest opinion, as much of a campaign as Eye of the North is - something that has its own areas while requiring older purchases and even directly uses the older purchases. -- Konig / talk 22:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Erm, I think you concluded that GW:B is closer to an expansion: it's almost exactly analogous to EotN, except that the explorables have the same name as those in Prophecies &mdash; relatively compact umbrella quests (currently: TWiK and HotN); new foes/explorables/items; new end-game rewards (O-weaps). I agree.


 * However, I'm not sure there's a rush to decide: we know that more content is on the way and that should provide enough data to decide how best to categorize. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 01:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did indeed conclude that Beyond is most akin to an expansion (a free expansion, mind you). As to "rushing" - I think the sooner the better, and you are right that as we move on there will be more support for the definite choice. However, the more we wait, the more we'll have to change in the future, which leads to more chances of forgetting to change something that's older. Not only that, but we pretty much have a split where some pages are marked as Beyond in both locations and infobox, some are marked as Beyond in locations and Proph/EN in infobox, and some are marked as Proph/EN in both locations and infobox. It's that inconsistency I'd like to try to be rid of asap. -- Konig / talk 03:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Having to change things later is not the best reason to resolve them today. I dislike inconsistencies as much as the next pedant, but I dislike incorrect or disputed consistency more.


 * So, while we lack consensus I'm in favor of leaving things as they are... at least until HotN completes. If we want to be sure that we can fix everything later, we can find another way to tag things temporarily, e.g. Category:Disputed categorization, or Category:Undetermined campaign. Things are volatile; they might evolve later (and hence force a retag). And imposing labels without widespread agreement leads to cranky contributors and edit wars. In fact, partly how we got into this conundrum: people classified (nearly) everything WiK as Prophecies quickly &mdash; it wasn't a crazy idea, but it might have been hasty. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as categorization goes, It probably does need something separate from the regular campaigns/expansions. Actually, if you take it under the umbrella of expansion, Beyond might be appropriate. I'm still a little hesitant, but it's not bad. I am wondering if there's a better word for it...... --JonTheMon 04:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said in my example, above, categorizing some articles as GWB will lead to trouble. As it stands, someone who only owns Factions will look for information about "Factions" and its expansion under "Winds of Change". Similarly, someone with only Proph will look for information about "Prophecies" and the expansion, "War in Kryta". If we go and group quests/items etc. under "Beyond" or "GWB", then how can one differentiate between what is accessible and what isn't? A parallel would be categorizing things as "Guild Wars". It's too much of an umbrella term to be useful.
 * Our other option would be to forgo using GWB as a separator, and stack War in Kryta and Winds of Change under Prophecies and Factions, respectively. G R E E N E R  20:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * @Greener: For those looking for information about the specific chapter of GWB, they could look at the page for that specific chapter. IMO, Winds of Change, War in Kryta, etc. would be like categorizing the campaigns/expansions based on the notable splits in the storyline (such as the sections in the storyline articles like Storyline of Prophecies). Also, thus far, everything related to a specific chapter of GWBeyond (i.e., War in Kryta and Hearts of the North related content) have had a category manually added at the bottom to put them in the category of the specific chapter. I am not, however, against using the chapters as a replacement for the regions. Trouble is, that may confuse some people. As such, I am not opposed to your previously linked suggestion (except for calling Hearts of the North as being part of the War in Kryta). The issue you brought up in the notes section of the linked sandbox locations page would be fixed for many via the manually added categories, though I think it would be fairly obvious which chapter of GW:B a particular article relates to. -- Konig / talk 21:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What if we added a new section to the info boxes, "Event" (http://guildwars.com/events/ingame/). That way, it still has the campaign/region the content is in, but also shows what the content is apart of. --Mora 22:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for tossing that Storyline link; I do think GWB can be handled that way when we flesh out this page. And yes, I smacked my head when I realized that tagging the category at the bottom was possible, simple, and likely preferable. As for what to do with Hearts, that was simply my way of putting it on the back burner of my own brain. Could we tag the quest pages etc. with ""G.W. Beyond" instead of just "Beyond"? G R E E N E R  19:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I know they probably already have it more or less setup and just working out details, but I hope the new Canthan content includes a new zone between Maishang Hills and Arborstone or one of its neighboring explorables. I always thought it was a bit unfair that Luxons could access Cavalon right after Boreas Seabed, but Kurzicks had to go back and do Sunjiang District to access their side of the line. Even if the zone is an underground, unmappable zone, just the ability to access both capitals at the same time in the story would be nice. Guildwarsrunner 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

There have been free content updates many times in the past. And from the early days. An example is Sorrow's furnace, and update larger than any induvidual update released lately. Backsword 12:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * However, this is the first free series of content updates with a shared plot/intention. Sorrow's Furnace, which included the titan quests in the update, or the DoA update, were merely small areas meant as conclusions to the existing story (and were more than likely made/mostly made/intended when the game was). -- Konig / talk 20:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I've been waiting for this to reach some kind of conclusion before adding the HotN areas to the various WM and Peacekeeper mobs' locations. Someone made pages like Beetletun (Rise), redirecting to the quest, rather an actual location page for Miku, Danthor and maybe a few others, without any discussion that I've seen. Is that how we'll be doing it, then? <font color="#008800">Manifold  20:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The Beetletun (Rise) pointing to a quest seems inconsistent to me. Anyways, updated my current thoughts here. Konig raised some good points earlier, and I hope I've addressed some of them. I may try to test it on Thackeray soon. G R E E N E R  20:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, Rise isn't a quest - it's a mission. Even called such by Stumme. There technically wouldn't be an individual area for the spot, unlike with quests which have isolated areas. Then again, I never understood the point of have potentially the same exact information on the quest page and an instance for the quest. TBH, I find pages like The Underworld (Don't Fear the Reapers), or Lion's Arch (Halloween) to be pointless. But that's me. And besides, if we made a fleshed out article for Beetletun (Rise) it would hold the same, but less information than Rise. --  Konig / talk 02:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

CLEAR! *Kachunk!*
Okay folks, we need to get moving on this. We're already falling behind on details (Gwen isn't even listed as being at her own wedding!) I've already added a few example pages to my earlier suggestion, and the content fits in very smoothly. It has already been implemented on Keiran Thackeray and no feathers have been ruffled. All that needs to be done is for someone to add one more campaign variable to the NPC-infobox (and other infoboxes if we wish). I've finished giving Category:Humans a once over, so I have time to do this project now. G R E E N E R 07:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Curious: I've noticed that there are few to no WM or Peacekeeper enemies listed as being within Hearts of the North... -- Konig / talk 02:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Doing the primers for that right now in my sandbox. I just realized I had missed it. G R E E N E R  02:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There aren't location pages for HotN missions. <font color="#008800">Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 03:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They exist... as redirects. Which is all they need to be, tbh, otherwise they'll just be copies of the articles of their name. -- Konig / talk 04:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

nightfall
i think its safe to assume that there will be a night fall part to this seeing as they have already announced/are doing factions and ph. so making a note of that might be good anyone disagree?- Zesbeer 07:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

He's far more definitive in the podcast interview. -- Konig / talk 23:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that is a safe assumption, but I wouldn't add it to the article; I think it's confusing to add purely speculative notes to main articles. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Twice Stumme said he wanted to go to Cantha and Elona. So it wouldn't be wrong to put such up. There's a blog post and an interview with the "Relics of Orr" podcast which I recall him stating such. -- Konig / talk 08:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's see the quote before we decide. There's a world of difference between "wanting to" and "planning to" (not to mention "planning to" and actually "going to"). Naturally, we should value Stumme's own speculations over fandom's, but that doesn't mean we should necessarily post it in an article on a wiki documenting the game. We don't need to be the first to predict new features; our reputation depends more on accuracy and reliability. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the blog: "We’ll continue to present you with new and evolving storylines. What has been going on in Cantha or Elona? Our world is a large one that is constantly growing, and there may be some pivotal developments on the horizon. In addition, I’d like to present the players with some interesting opportunities to experience important moments in this world, be they from the past of Guild Wars, or the past-that-is-yet-to-come for Guild Wars 2. We have some very exciting things planned, and I can’t wait to share them with you!"
 * Here's the podcast (@ about 4:25): "At least for Elona, when we get around for looking there, I think one of the bigger question marks that's been hanging there is that over the course of the events you end up setting Palawa Joko free and everything about the game lore tells us "this is a really bad thing you just did" but it's just kinda left hanging as to what comes out of that and it would be cool if somewhere down the line we could follow up a little bit more on that."


 * I agree it would be cool if somewhere down the line ANet follows up on that. I agree that Stumme wants to see GWB head to Nightfall areas. Does that put it past speculation and into planned GWB material? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 23:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * why cant the note say something like: john stumme, would like to visit elona at some point and deal with the unresolved palawa joko storyline. that would be stating the facts that we know.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It takes it past speculation, but not yet into planned GWB material. I'd say it is in the "intentions" or "wishlist" of GWB. I'd phrase is as "There are intentions to visit Elona and continue Palawa Joko's story in the future, however it is not known if this will happen." or something of the like. -- Konig / talk 00:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect the canthan storyline of GWB next, Miku forms the perfect bridge - i feel something like Mursaat meets (not-your-faction), all vs (your faction) + you? 82.156.22.85 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We have already seen a part of it during halloween when you fight palawa joko's army during a quest, and i have a feeling if there is gonna be an arc in nightfall it will be based upon that.Damysticreaper 12:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, the halloween stuff. Didn't they also say to expect further developments on the Mad King Thorn story? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 14:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that was said to not be related to Beyond stuff. So I don't think it counts as Beyond, personally. -- Konig / talk 21:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Then why is it listed on this page? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 20:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not "related to Beyond stuff" means that it's not related to main storylines of Beyond, not that it isn't something that will continue the story. -- Konig / talk 21:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Non-GWB content on GWB page
I still take issue that non-GWB content such as Zquests, Zinn's quests, Zaishen menagerie, etc is listed in the GWB section and that Embark Beach, 7-hero parties, and Lunatic Court stuff is listed in upcoming updates on the GWB page. These things aren't part of GWB, so why are they listed here? I suggest, if it doesn't already exist, that we create an upcoming updates page separate from GWB and list those things on it. As upcoming GWB content is part of upcoming updates, we would link GWB on that page. Also, we need to remove the non-GWB things from the "Current Elements" section on GWB. The Zquests, Zinn's quests, Zmenagerie, Halloween quests, and the Nicks all have their own pages already, so simply removing them from this page is sufficient. Just because things have come out after the release of EotN does not mean it is GWB. GWB is defined as storylines (even, subcampaigns) that link the GW story to the GW2 story. After all, we don't list the mesmer or derv updates on this page, so why the other unrelated things? --Musha 20:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mox stuff, Dhuum, and the Lunatic Court could be considered GWB - as they further the storyline - but they're not connected to the primary storylines of Beyond (Mox is, but predates Beyond's announcement). I wouldn't be opposed to removing the Zaishen stuff and Nick, but the Halloween quests (both Dhuum and Lunatic) and Mox stuff should remain. -- Konig / talk 21:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * True, they further the storlyline, but that does not mean they are GWB. GWB content furthers the storyline specifically in relation to GW2, and none of those things meet that criteria, and are therefore not GWB content. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 00:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Technically, Mox's quests do - they connect the events of EN to the Trial of Zinn, which in turn connects to events of GW2 (via the WiK and Blimm being buried in Kryta); Dhuum may, we don't know the full story yet (presumably); and same goes for the lunatic court (minus the presumably). Besides, where would we document the series of content updates we've gotten since EN? Seems as good of a place as any (and I wonder - shouldn't the Sorrow's Furance/Titan quest/Tomb updates be noted on Guild Wars Prophecies, and DoA's update on Guild Wars Nightfall?). -- Konig / talk 00:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll grant that the Mox quests DO connect, indirectly, but they're still not GWB. They were merely a content update similar to what Embark Beach is going to be. GWB is not defined as content that was released after EN AND generally-speaking expands on any given storyline. GWB content expands on the storyline that is specifically oriented to narrow the 250-year gap between the end of EN and the beginning of GW2. Everything else is just additional content. The Lunatic Court doesn't take us towards GW2, nor do Dhuum, Zquests, or MOX. The Trial of Zinn does, but only because it was a major part of the story of WiK, which obviously does, too. Yes, Zinn created MOX, but not with the purpose of helping the Shining Blade reestablish the monarchy, or for any other purpose which is considered to be important history in the coming years before GW2 that I can see. Thus, I have a hard time conceding that the MOX quests are GWB. IMO, the only real GWB content, currently, are the Trial of Zinn, Wik, HotN, and the upcoming WoC. I think we should divide all content that has been released since EN into different categories. Some of the content released since EN is GWB, the rest is not. I can see wanting to have everything listed in one place, for sure, but if that's going to be this page, then perhaps we should rename this page to something more generic that would better fit the content of the page: something like, "Additional Content since Eye of the North,"- yes, it's very clunky, but it fits the content of the page. One of the sections could be for GWB, and another section for non-GWB content. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 01:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

To return to this, I personally consider updates post-BMP to fall into three categories: bug fixes, "Guild Wars Beyond," and what I call "Guild Wars Revitalization" - the first is obvious, fixing bugs; the second is content and updates that furthers the story (WiK, HotN, M.O.X., Dhuum, Lunatic Court); the third is content/updates which improves old content of the game (Zaishen stuff, Nick, Embark Beach, Langmar). While not officially part of GWB, I'd say that anything which furthers the story should stay... and honestly, while their purpose is to improve old content, all of the "not adding to the story" actually do have their own expansions to the story - Nicholas gives minor details here and there, Langmar's quests explore the world of Ascalon prior to the Searing, the Zaishen quests lack this but the menagerie go into the story of the animals like how Nick goes into trophies, etc. I don't see them needing to be removed, but at least we should keep those which actively progress the story - even if not directly connecting it to gw2 since everything in gw1 is connected, directly or indirectly, to gw2. -- Konig / talk 20:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Italics
I see we are italicising every mention of Beyond on the wiki, but the original press release does not. Should we follow suit? --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see no reason to or to not italicize it, tbh, so it doesn't matter to me, so long as there's consistency (which is the case as things stand).  Konig / talk 20:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC)