Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for adminship/Eloc Jcg/Archive

Misconceptions
Hi Eloc, before I go off for my little break from the net, given the negative comments, I wanted to try to clarify what I meant by misconceptions. Please do not take offense from my comments below, I sincerely want to try and explain my vote comment, and not leave it dangling. As the support anon implied, I agree that you deserve more than that.

Personally, I feel that you've grown a lot since the first time I saw your user name in the user page policy talk. I find it really commendable. Yes, you do still have outbursts like the one on Ryudo's page, but I think it's still a pretty big improvement. Like the anon said on your bureaucrat candidacy talk page, you are taking criticisms very well, and that's a good thing.

I can't believe you actually counted contributions though :o Anyway, I'm thinking you might find that there are non-admins who also have a lot of contributions. For the record, using contributions was a bad idea. It's just gonna get you Dirigible's infamous quote :D You need to realise that contributions actually measure every single action, so a page move actually counts as 2 contributions. I believe page deletions are counted as well. And if a page gets deleted, any contribution a user has on that page is also removed from the contributions list. Each edit, whether fixing a typo, a revert, or any click on a save page button, counts as one contribution, regardless of whether you typed 1000 characters or just 1 character, regardless of whether you're editing the main space or your user space, and regardless of whether you're actually contributing something useful or trolling. I'm just trying to say that it's just going to get ignored whenever you bring up contributions because it's just not a useful measure for pretty much anything.

Together with your comparisons on page views and most-linked-to, I believe you're trying to show that you're very active. I want you to know that you do not need to prove it. As Ale_Jrb explained, if a user is an active contributor, other users, regardless of whether they are editors or just users who don't edit much, people will notice. If you have done a lot, people will remember. If you try to tell people that you've done a lot, then it will mostly just backfire, because then it'll just looks like you're trying too hard. The idiom "Actions speak louder than words" is very true :) I already noticed that you're a dedicated contributor way before the bureaucrat nomination.

Unfortunately, I'm not 100% convinced you'd make a good sysop yet. Despite the common misconception that sysops are just janitors, it is not a robot role where we just click (of course, there's nothing stopping a sysop from doing just that). Despite people saying we don't need to think, "surprisingly" we actually do. Like the little discussion on the categories for collector maps, if you were a sysop, would you have deleted that category without further consideration? Of course, most deletions are no-brainers but there are those few cases where something more needs to be done. Also, when you throw in the ability to block another user, I'm sorry to say that I'm not yet convinced that you will be patient enough or understanding enough to deal with clueless users, especially clueless anonymous users who don't know they're doing something wrong. I'm still a little hesitant in trusting you to use it appropriately.

If you look at the comments in oppose, many also do not trust you enough. Trust is hard to gain, but time is your friend. Show consistency and maturity, and people will show trust. It's not how much you do, but how you do it. (apologies to all if I inadvertently sounded "holier than thou", I just wanted to explain) -- ab.er. rant  19:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

"Despite the common misconception that sysops are just janitors, it is not a robot role where we just click" How so? Lord Belar 02:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "It's just gonna get you Dirigible's infamous quote" &mdash; But I am Dirigible, remember? :P &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  05:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * @Lord Belar. Simply put, a lot of discretion on the part of an admin is unavoidable. Simple things would be how to resolve deletion candidates (not just delete, some info should be preserved, moved, extracted, users notified) and differentiating between clueless users or testing users or purposeful vandals. More complex stuff would involve conflict situations on borderline policy violations and policy interpretation (literal vs spirit) and user issues. Regardless of how much the term glorified janitor gets bandied about, users still do expect admins to step in in one way or another. Janitors are expected to ignore all those situations. Hope that answers your question. I just got back from a break so this answer is a little late. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 14:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Number of contributions
Its mostly irrelevant because I could make a bot to remove, then re-add, everything on the page Warrior, one character at a time. That would net me nearly 14000 contributions. Cba voting though, I don't contribute enough here for it to be properly reasoned. Lord of all tyria 10:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Doll
Umm, this is my first time running for Sysop and I was nominated besides someone than me. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  08:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Already fixed that, I didn't mean to imply you had ran for SysOp more than once. And yes, someone else did, but [you pretty much asked to be nominated]. -- Doll  17:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * LoL, I didn't think anyone would. It was mainly a joke. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  17:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Dark Morphon
What does that have to do with this? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  05:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it relates to failure in one way or another...not sure. -- Readem 06:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Or he just is mad at me for voting against Defiant Elements bureaucrat election. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  07:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Isk8
So you're saying all of my edits are shit? The vast, vast, vast majority of them are good quality. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  21:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

JediRogue
You're just mad at me for opposing some people on GuildWiki. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  21:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No. I didn't vote on this originally because my RfA on GuildWiki was still open and you had voted neutral. Then, I just forgot to vote against you until today because you reminded me of it on GuildWiki. I find your people skills severely lacking. Your actions have lead me to believe that were you to be awarded any sysop powers, it could only be detrimental to this wiki. If you think that the sheer number of contributions is all that matters, just keep being a regular contributor. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for explaining your vote more in detail for me. I appreciate it. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  21:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)