User talk:Ab.er.rant/2007Q1

Categories
I know that you are regarded the master of categories at Gwiki so I thought I would ask your help. Category:Unique items or Category:Unique weapons? By definition a "weapon" can be primary or an offhand. So all "unique items" is referring to is "unique weapons". Why was the term "Unique item" adopted at all? I would prefer to start things out at this place correctly, rather than relying on "how things have been". I also am being strict with using lower case, as it is proper English to do so, and I imagine that the ULC policy will be used here too. - - BeXoR 07:59, 8 February 2007 (PST)


 * Because the Book of Secrets and hero armours etc are "green"/unique, but they are just (collectable?) items, not weapons &mdash; Skuld 08:02, 8 February 2007 (PST)


 * If that were the case, the GuildWiki category would have those listed in it. :S I wish their definition of Unique really meant Unique. Maybe I should make Unique weapons a subcategory of Unique items. That would suit if the other "unique/green" items get added to that category. - BeXoR 08:07, 8 February 2007 (PST)


 * (edit conflict... twice... u guys are fast, and it seems you've already concluded the same, heh) If that were the case, the GuildWiki category would have those listed in it. :S I wish their definition of Unique really meant Unique. Maybe I should make Unique weapons a subcategory of Unique items. That would suit if the other "unique/green" items get added to that category. - BeXoR 08:07, 8 February 2007 (PST)
 * And oh, Skuld, nice to see you again! :D Ab.er.rant 08:12, 8 February 2007 (PST)


 * As a non-native speaker I should add that I would never identify a shield as a weapon, but always as an item. --Xeeron 04:23, 16 February 2007 (PST)
 * True. Would you be able to identify a shield (and other focus items) as equipment? Then we can have equipment categories between the item and weapons. -- ab.er. rant -- 16:39, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Item - B e X o R  01:37, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Guild Proposal
Can you comment on this? &mdash; Gares 11:00, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Info boxes
I really like how the location and region boxes look markedly different from the ones on GuildWiki. I think we should try to use the same style as you used in those two examples in all the info boxes here so as to differentiate this wiki from GuildWiki. :) --Rainith 13:47, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks, I just looked at how Wikipedia does some of them :P. What I'm not sure of yet is how to make it such that it's easier to use. I don't like the part where it requires the use of  tags, but haven't had much luck in coming up with an alternative. -- ab.er. rant  13:50, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Are you referring to this  Advanced Example, Further Examples, Even More Examples ? &mdash; Gares 14:07, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * I'm not sure what you mean, but I think I'm not. I was referring to Template:Region infobox where you have to manually add "br" tags to split the neighbors. -- ab.er. rant 14:09, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * No, we are talking about the same things. You have to add the br tag or the line will not break and the entries will continue to expand the box forever and ever. Just wanted to make sure. &mdash; Gares 14:35, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Oh, ok. Right. I know I have to add the br tag. I was just saying that I'm hoping there's a way to avoid the br tag. I suspect there's nothing like a tokenizer in mediawiki? -- ab.er. rant 14:37, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * I wanted to make sure that was the problem you were referring to before I started on a solution or borrowed a solution. ;) &mdash; Gares 14:47, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * You can set a width to the box, but then the coloured bits stretch out to meet the matched space if the data takes up only a small space. I was having this problem with the armor bonus box, trying to make it not take up the whole screen for armor with long descriptions. Manually adding a br is the best way to do it until I can figure out how to make the first cells a fixed size (that doesn't affect users with different text sizes). I wanted to say thanks for putting that first template in too aberrant. I really think it looks awesome, and that's why I copied it to all the other ones. Hope you don't mind! And I love the fact that "rant" in your sig brings you here lol! :D - B e X o R  04:10, 26 February 2007 (EST)
 * Hehe, thanks, and "rant" all you want :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 04:38, 26 February 2007 (EST)
 * Regarding finding a solution, adding a line break after each character string will work, but without parser functions I don't think it can be accomplished. It's easy to do in C++, but web-based programming is not my forte. &mdash; Gares 07:42, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Copyright violation articles
When you're changing articles with the copyvio tag on them, please follow the directions in the tag. The violations need to be deleted off the wiki, and if you follow the directions that makes it easier on me (or any other admin cleaning these up). =) --Rainith 02:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)
 * Oh, sorry. I thought it would be easier for you guys if I don't create a Temp page in the first place. You mean you guys need to delete the original first, and then move the no-violation page to its place? Will do. -- ab.er. rant 19:35, 24 February 2007 (EST)
 * Actually with our godlike admin powers, we can delete the old article and move the new one to its place in one fell swoop. ;)  --Rainith 02:30, 25 February 2007 (EST)

CSS
Hey Aberant, since you'd shown an interesting I thought you might like to know that I finished User:LordBiro/Skill box draft 5 which is the most accurate example of how I foresee the skill box and other infoboxes working so far. LordBiro 08:12, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Will check it out. Thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 20:32, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Sig Test
Hows my signature? I spaced some of it out and changed the text to make the length smaller. -- BG (talk|contribs) 05:10, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * On this wiki or GuildWiki? I don't mind the length of your sig actually, just the fact that there wasn't any space in it which caused the horizontal scrolling. But this one looks good, although it might not make it past the policy here, where it mentions your username must be visible in the sig. But doesn't matter to me, as long as there's a link. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 05:17, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * That was in the policy O.o; Ok lol. Changed o.o &mdash; BlackGeneral [[Image:Blackgeneralstar.png|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:39, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Category structure
I've noticed that for templates, sometimes the category Templates/Navigation or Templates/Infoboxes gets used. Is this something you find acceptable? I was considering changing the image categories to follow that format, but I wanted to check before I started making any changes. - B e X o R  21:00, 11 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Personally, I'd prefer "Category:Navigation templates" and the like. --Rezyk 22:51, 11 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Well I think we should stick to one style or the other. Aberrant is the master of categories so I'll wait to see if he has any insight on why those category names were chosen. I also prefer the style you said, but even in that case have we decided on using plurals or not? :S - B e X o R  22:58, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
 * * blushing* Umm... anyway, I was the one who created the Templates/Infoboxes category, to categorise... infoboxes :) I guess I was following the old way of doing it, but seeing that you can use "Category:Navigation templates" rather than the unwieldy "Templates/Infoboxes", I guess Rezyk's preference feels more natural. "Category:Infobox templates" and "Category:Navigation templates"? I'd like to define infoboxes as the summary boxes most often displayed on the top right corner, and the navigation templates as those that are usually found towards the bottom of the page. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 23:32, 11 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I agree with that. I had accidentally put some info boxes in the nav category but I fixed it this morning. As it stands now, the content in the categories is correct, now it's just a matter of moving them. ;) - B e X o R  01:08, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Page
Looks awesome! BTW you should check out this - B e X o R  06:22, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Yea BeXoR, I knew about the class thingy. I used it for my header and footer bars. I would still like to retain the little external link icon to let ppl differentiate between internal and external links. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:42, 13 March 2007 (EDT)


 * This page is sooo awesome and so original! It made me think about starting a 'The List' for this wiki too. Good work! -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:39, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks :D I'd love to take credit but as you can see from my credits, the idea wasn't wholly mine. I really need to start figuring out a better color combo. I did tweak it, but it still sort of remained green... :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:41, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Oooooooh... Didn't notice the credit link there. :) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:43, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I should make it more obvious then... hmmm.... maybe not :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Ah, and thanks for the inspiration note. I feel flattered. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:45, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Wow nice page, I give a 10/10 :) -- Scourge  [[Image:Scourge.gif]] 09:56, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Indeed, very very tight user page. And, btw I like the colors used. [[Image:kaya-sig.png]] kaya  13:57, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

North America
Because of your custom userbox, you may want to add to the bottom of your page to show that you play for NA. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Chiaro.
 * We're using that system of categorising users again? Oh well, might as well then. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 20:58, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually... no, don't want to. It's an obvious carry-over from GuildWiki and the category name is so unwieldy. I'd rather reorganise the whole thing first. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:01, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, it seems they've renamed the category. And you're in it. So it's all solved, I suppose. --Chiaro 11:19, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Nice Profile
Most of us at Anet are Wiki-nubs. I really like the way your profile is laid out, would you mind if I used the template? --Andrew Patrick 14:32, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. And nope, don't mind. I'm still tweaking it here and there. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 20:42, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I adore your profile as well. I hope its alright if I use some of your code as a guide. I'm still putting things together, but I'll definately put a link back to your userpage, if that's ok. Katscratched  01:40, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
 * No problem. You learn alot about wikicode when you start fiddling with user pages :D that's how I learned alot of it.
 * PS: Your signature link has a typo -> "User:Katsc r atched". -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 01:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank you very much! Typos are the other result of fiddling too much, I'm afraid. >_< Katscratched  [[Image:Katscratched-icon-sm.gif]] 01:46, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I too agree that I like your profile, and I hope you won't mind me adapting it for my own userpage? -- [[Image:Corrran.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 05:26, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I don't mind, since you've linked back to me, and I think those colors you decided on look really good. I would be more interested in seeing how others would tweak and modify my layout though ;) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:08, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Hehe, I bet you would. But then again, perhaps in due time I'll be able to adjust the layout with new-found knowledge of Mediawiki. I liked your profile a lot, but I'm not too hesitant to tinker with it. -- [[Image:Corrran.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 05:01, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Profession userboxes
And thank you for fixing up the free profession userboxes too. :) --  Vallen Frostweaver  07:45, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
 * You're welcome :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 00:12, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

All categories
Do we really need to have the "All xx"-categories? Isn't that covered with, for example Towns, with no need for All towns? I know I'd rather navigate through subcategories than have big lists, so the Towns category would include Factions towns, Nightfall towns and Prophecies towns, and maybe an collective article just about towns, like Town, nothing more. Just my opinion :) &mdash; Anja  12:52, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * We could, but in the few talks about categories, there was a suggestion for the "All" categories. I'm also not too fond of the idea where an article is in both the parent category and the child category. A particular use I can think of is that for large categories like "Category:Skills", it provides a cleaner look if the "All" is a subcategory together with the other subcategories grouped by profession, type, etc. We don't have a formatting guide on it yet (working on it, as soon as I get over this urge to apply the template, and find the time for it :p), but as my auto-categorization is in the template, it shouldn't be too troublesome to get rid of it if the need arises. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 12:59, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I just meant the Category:Prophecies towns etc to be in the Category:Towns, for clarification, not the articles themselves. I see your point, and though I think that many categories in the bottom of the page gets quite confusing I can agree with you that All categories can be convenient sometimes. &mdash; Anja  13:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh! I didn't notice the missing link :p -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 13:10, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Why +proposed to Mission and Quests?
Why'd you change the mission and quest formatting back to proposed? Afaik, they're done and have been for weeks. Was there something in particular that you disagreed with or had planned? --Aspectacle 21:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * On, I didn't know, in that case, I'll go change it into accepted. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks - I didn't realise there was a template for that else I'd have added it myself. :) --Aspectacle 21:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

ascalon
doh i just moved all those articles to the ruins category this morning after seeing the format I thought we were following. fun times :) -- Lemming64 21:37, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * LOL sorry :p I was just thinking that these days, people should be more interested in the post-Searing version than pre-Searing version. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 21:38, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Yes, I agree, it is better this way -- Lemming64 21:40, 27 March 2007 (EDT)