Template talk:Cinematic infobox

Spoiler needed?
As all these cinematic pages should actually include a spoiler warning, could this infobox maybe automatically add a spoiler on top of the page? Or should this be added seperately on top of the dialogue sections? Or do you think a spoiler isn't needed at all? &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 20:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would think the very nature of looking at the dialogue would be spoiler-ish, but adding it to the template isn't a bad idea if it's really thought to be necessary. '''[[Image:User That Sounds Risky SignatureImage.png|That]] Sounds Risky  | 21:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone is looking for the page, chances are they don't care about spoilers. The only time a spoiler tag is necessary is if Page A mentions in detail Event X, but Event X is far away from the time of Page A's happenings. For example, if I mentioned in Order of the Sunspears that Kormir will become... you-know-who, that would be a spoiler. However, saying the same thing on the article of you-know-who or Abaddon's Gate (or its cinematic) is not a spoiler. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think a spoiler tag is necessary :/. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 21:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok excuse me then, i supposed every page that tells anything about the storyline needs to get a spoiler. &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 21:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * On some websites, they probably do. However, a wiki is sorta different -- most people only look on a page they're interested in; if they're interested in it, it's likely they want to know more about it. That doesn't really spoil anything for them. Regardless, a cinematic isn't all too spoiling. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 21:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but what about those people that happen to stumble upon a page.... my not be relevant, but that was wy I was thinking that the template needed to be added. -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 19:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would someone stumble upon such a page, unless they're doing Special:Random (in which case it's their own fault if they reach a page they don't want to see)? The only time someone would want to click on a cinematic page is if they're interested in that cinematic, in which case it isn't spoiling. It's the same case with mission articles and the like. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 20:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They would stumble upon it the same way I stumbled upon GWWT, policies, and many of my friends userpages (Wyn in particular, is one of the users that I "stumbled" upon) it is as simple as mistakenly clicking the wrong link or an unknown link to wind up at a certain location. I understand where you are coming from, but I have to say that "it is their own fault" is not a good argument; some people click the wrong link or are reading one page (mostly on user talk) that has a link to something like the cinematics and then suddenly it is ruined.  I just think it would be nice to have a small warning on the page letting people know that the content of the articles will "spoil" that part of the story.  I was thinking, however, that if we add a spolier type thing to the infobox, that it should look at bit different than spoiler; just because it might look a bit distastful if that same template is on every cinematic page.  I would like to gather others opinions on this as well :).  -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 00:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why dont you add a red bar to the bottom of the nav. I added a bottom bar to my nav &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Like this. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol i can't read xD &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually like your idea Seru, that would do it for me :) -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 00:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It would work if people were looking off the nav, but thats at the bottom of the page. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is true, but still I think it is better then nothing and I would be fine if that was implemented. -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 00:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If we're going to have a spoiler tag, we need it at the top where it's the first thing seen. I'm testing a couple of things in my sandbox to make a not-so-impending-doom-style warning that the spoiler has, but a neutral (and noticeable) one. However, I'd still like more input from other users first -- I still don't think we need a spoiler tag, but I'd compromise with a neutral tag if necessary. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the spoiler tag is a bit to bold for the cinematic pages, so I await your proposal :) -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * i just had an idea. What if we hide the dialouge? Can't we put it in a collapsible box? Then they can either show or keep it hidden. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Brains12/Sandbox/Nolani Academy (cinematic) and User:Brains12/Sandbox/The Nornbear are examples. It may push the infobox down a bit, but I can't make the tag stand noticeably at the top without doing so (someone else can probably do a better job than me to make sure that that doesn't happen). It calls the campaign parameter automatically, so it's not necessary to enter any information in the tag manually.
 * Seru, that's a bit troublesome -- I wouldn't like to have to click show buttons in order to make article content appear. That's a little too overprotective. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Should we add the spoiler tag to the mission pages. They all link to there cinematic. Example. We really should have a template that will auto add a spoiler notice and the link if you just put it under a Cinematic header. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't think we need to be so overprotective and keep spoiler tags anywhere cinematics may be linked. It's enough that I may compromise with low-key spoiler tags on the cinematic pages, considering how I don't think they are needed, but having them on linked pages is simply... well, I guess you know what I think about that by now. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Seru, I think the spoiler tags should be put onto mission pages, as they reveal the most of the storyline. I'm not sure about some of the others, but I don't think it would be game breaking to someone if they looked at them. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  01:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Idk maybe just a small one or a disclaimer but not spoiler thats a bit much. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe something similar to the Notice template? Considering Cinematics, it doesnt have to be too big. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  01:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hers what i got for adding to the mission pages. Cinematic link I think we should remove the dialogue from the mission pages that have finished cinematic pages. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ehhh, I agre with brains... we do not want to be too overprotective, and what you are proposing is just a bit to much overprotective. I think what Brains did in his sandbox is perfect!  -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 01:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comparing the two, I think Brains's idea is a bit better. Its not as flashy and it doesnt force people off said article. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]]  Wandering   Traveler  01:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Im talking more mission pages than the cinematics pages. If you want to use Brains idea on the cinematics pages then go ahead, but I just think that we shouldn't have the dialogue in two places :\ If we have these pages i think thats where the information should be, since they don't have any effect on the mission really. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mind removing the cinematic dialogue from mission pages, as long as the cinematic article exists of course -- just leave a link to the cinematic page under the same header (and without the spoiler notice! D:). Would be a good idea to bring that up on GWWT:MISSIONS first, maybe. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Im going to use Cinematic link under a ===cinematic=== in the ==dialogue== section of a mission page. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No no, no spoiler notice. As I said, just have a small (non-template) note under the current header -- something like "For the cinematic dialogue, see ". This belongs on the formatting talk page, though. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why can't it be a template? All you have to do is add it and change the campaign :\ then everything is going to be uniform. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * /singsong doesn't belong here --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because not everything that needs to be typed has to be in a template! (*imagines formatting pages with only template-listings :/*) - btw. I changed your sandbox-infobox, brains, look if you like it. poke | talk 07:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I have limited time and internet access, so forgive me if I say things that have allready been said; I simply do not have the time to read everything. On the topic of spoilers, I think placing spoiler templates on all cinematic pages or all mission pages is indeed overprotective. The spoiler template I placed here some time ago, just as is done, for instance, here, should suffice, imho. There pretty much is no way linking yourself to a mission or cinematic page from the main page without coming across a spoiler-template on a page in the process of getting there. &mdash; Why 09:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you added it on top of every cinematic page. Wouldn't it be easier to directly include it in the template? &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 21:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok nvmd, you more or less already answered here. Though i doubt that any cinematic will need a TOC :P &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 21:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Further images
Wouldn't it look nicer for pages lik At the Bloodstone if the images are included in the box? (Similar to the location infobox) In this case the image refers to the notes section, but if anyone would add further images they would look more uniform on the right in the box. &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 22:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Bug
Encounter in the Depths &rarr; it is quite impossible to add multiple quests in this template as of this time. I'd have fixed it myself if I had an idea how to. - Why 16:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * added: This also occurs if having multiple Locations, again see the article. I suggest removing the 's and 's enclosing the and  parameters. - [[Image:User Why Are We Fighting BlackRose.jpg|Contributions]]Why  16:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * for now, I've changed this template so, that Location, Region and Plays During do not show up when nothing is filled in those parameters. Feel free to revert me or change the template. - [[Image:User Why Are We Fighting BlackRose.jpg|Contributions]]Why 18:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I fail at templates. Reverted. - [[Image:User Why Are We Fighting BlackRose.jpg|Contributions]]Why 18:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

locations
They now have [[double]] brackets around every location link. -- Lemming 23:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, we will have to change that manually, I think, because the template works great this way. I'll do it tomorrow, if it hasn't been done allready by that time. &mdash; [[Image:User Why Are We Fighting BlackRose.jpg|Contributions]]Why 23:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Easy fix and less work to do in later ones. Thx for the find. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 23:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

GDFL
Template:Arenanet article2 Since nothing on these pages are released under the GDFL to my knowledge. Should we add this template to the infobox? Just wondering.&mdash; Seru    Talk 00:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at quest articles, NPC articles, mission articles -- they don't mention anything about the GFDL (whether it's partially or entirely non-GFDL); seeing as those don't have it, it's likely it's not needed for cinematic articles, either. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "Content is available under these licensing terms. " Bottom of every page. Backsword 07:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Edits
When we're editing a widely-used template, could we try and make sure we only edit them once instead of two or three times in a row? Creating a test page first is useful to make sure the edits are correct. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry something minor turned into a lot of minor mistakes. xD wont need to edit this again can prob protect the page. Even tho its not really necessary to. 00:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to protect the pages, I think we should just be more careful when editing them. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha like i said prob wont have to edit it again. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 01:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)