Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for adminship/Tanaric

Tanaric
This request is for the sysophood of. Created by &mdash;Tanaric 23:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC) per nomination by User:Backsword.

Status
Succeeded. 21:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Candidate statement
This is going to be a bit lengthy.

I have experience being a sysop and I think I've done rather well on it. I have recently returned from a long wiki-break. I voluntarily removed my sysop and bureaucrat position when I left.

If I am added as a sysop, I do not intend to patrol recent changes or perform other wiki-gnome work. I did not perform much of that work for the last couple years of my previous run as sysop. Instead, you would essentially be giving me the tools necessary to oversee other sysop actions.

I am not one to sit idly by if something destructive occurs in the community. If a sysop blocks a user and I disagree, I will bring up the issue with that sysop. If I disagree strongly, I will revert the block. This is the role which I prefer to fill and I think it's the one where I'm best suited.

Second to sysop intervention, I also enjoy taking an active role in user disputes. The block and protect tools are usually less helpful there, but having "sysop" behind my name sometimes does impart authority. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, but it's the way it works.

I'm not going to dig up old examples of my behavior and post them here, as such as a sampling would be inevitably biased. Instead, I ask that all those who have something they want to bring up post such examples on this RfA's talk page. I would appreciate people look at that talk page before indication support or oppose, even if they know me well, as it appears some of the more negative parts of my adminship have been rewritten in people's memories.

&mdash;Tanaric 23:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Support
I know some of the people here won't be satisfied just by his actions in the past, and I think that is just fine because a long time has passed since then and people always change. However if you are one of those persons, I would like you to look through Tanaric's recent contributions to get an idea of what he does and how he does that. You will see very quickly that his experience didn't change and he is still as awesome as before. poke | talk 23:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Support. Not the shortest support either (and if I dont get an edit conflict, I'll be surprised, lol). I want to make clear that I am not supporting Tanaric because he is a long term wiki member. That should not play any role. Neither is he a fully unproblematic sysop either. He tends to get into stuff to deply and sometimes loses the broader and calmer view necessary. That being said, he also has very good sysop qualities. He knows how wikis work, how wiki disputes work and how to resolve them. Finally (and this is the one that decides my vote), he will listen if someone tells him on his talk page that he made a mistake and, if needed, correct his former actions. So here is my support vote Tanaric, and I hope you wont mind that I intend to be one of those speaking up at your talk page. --Xeeron 23:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) -- /u/nending  fear  User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 23:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)...
 * 3) Support. Xeeron sums it up pretty well. He already has the experience as sysop, and is willing to review his acts instead of blindingly believe he is right.--Fighterdoken 23:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Tanaric is strong-willed enough to not back down in an argument, even when endless waves of zealous fanbois are rushing to defend their leader. That takes balls. Also experienced with sysop tools, will not abuse them, etc. - Auron  23:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. I could simply repeat what I have said in his last RfA, but that would be too easy... Tanaric is the best wiki god ever (not sure, but I think that term was actually made for him..). He was here when this wiki began and knows incredibly much about how it started and about its foundation., and I am very happy that, after his abrupt leaving over a year ago, he is finally back. Given that he was one of the most trusted users back then, and that those comments he made since he got back were just awesome and felt like he was never gone, it just feels natural to get him back into the administration team.
 * 1) Support As per above and from what I've 'researched' into. I feel he is very trust-worthy. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥  23:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Support-- adrin  [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 23:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Despite my strong resentment for his bogarting the "Tan" nickname abbreviation, even after a year and a half of being gone, the long and short of anything I can say about him is that I trust his judgment. Certainly he is still fallible, but I know he acts in the way he believes best and keeps his mind open when someone disagrees. I expect he still has some catching up to do on some of the mild evolution the wiki culture has gone through in the time he's been away and in getting to know some of the newer "who's who," but all that's trivia compared to having a good head on your shoulders and understanding the way wikis work, which Aric does. And heterosexuality be damned, if he weren't on the other side of the country, I'd go out with him, I just wouldn't put out. Probably. I haven't seen pics. - Tanetris 23:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Will do better with the tools and position than many already in the position. –  Emmett  23:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. I think Tanaric is very skilled in the very role he would fill as sysop - to see through conflicts to their hearts and act accordingly, even though what he has to say may be unpopular to some. I think the Wiki needs that. That he knows the Wiki inside out is more a bonus.--Lensor ( talk ) 23:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Support I've heard nothing but good things about you. -- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 00:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) While Erasculio might have a point, I don't think Tanaric rushes into things and has actually been quite considerate in his actions. Welcome back.  &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 00:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Support Tanaric takes things at a unbiased approach, and calms issues down. --Dominator Matrix  02:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) We could use some more level headed people with sysop tools to balance things out. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  02:35, 29 December 2009  (UTC)
 * 10) Support. I like admin discretion and I think Tanaric is level headed and a good person for a sysop role of basically any sort.  — T HARKUN  [[Image:User_Tharkun_sig.png|16px]] 05:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Support. Despite Tanaric not having been here long after a long absence, he has shown a very calm, cool, and collective level-headedness within drama/disputes and knows how to keep a situation down, even without the tools. It is my belief that he won't do any harm with them and only good can/will come of this. I would write more but I cannot think/remember what else I was going to say. -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] Lacky  06:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) Support. See Xeeron, Auron, Poke, Tanetris etc. -  Mini Me   talk  10:03, 29 December 2009
 * 13) I wasn't on the wiki back when he originally a sysop, and he hasn't been back too long for me to get a good feel on his character. I am also well aware of the bit of drama surrounding his original departure. With that said, his reception after returning from his wiki-break has been exceptionally warm. Having all ready been a sysop on this wiki, he's familiar with most of the tools (all of the fundamental sysop tools, at least). That, and amidst the drama of the past couple of days, he's been exceptionally cool-tempered and level-headed. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.png R I D DLE  16:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. Tanaric will most likely be a great sysop again and I think after reading this post he said that we all get a pony.  --Rainith 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) Support. I was not around in Tanaric's heyday, but I have read every contribution he has made since returning  and I've discussed this and that with him in IRC. I agree with him on nearly all points regarding sysop discretion, consensus, policy violations, etc. And what's more, I like his attitude. I find Tanaric to be most deserving of sysop tools. And he's not from PvX. *cringe* [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 18:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Support see all above :P -- Nick  123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. Tanaric is one of those people that comes in, reads the tl;dr everyone else skipped, can summarize the issue, make his (her? whatever) argument and leave you wishing you'd used that logic in the first place, generally without making everyone else feel dumb in the process. Welcome back to the wiki, Tanaric. -- FreedomBound  [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) Support. Daddy's home. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) Support. Basicaly what everyone's already said. Also as an added point, i'm voting support even though if this fails Etris said he'd buy and eat a hat...which i realy want to see :/.  ~ PheNaxKian  [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 20:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 20) Support. Ragequits aren't forever. Thankfully. <font color="#DD2200">Belar  20:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 21) Neutral Support I sorta feel that this is a little too soon to give sysop tools to someone recently returned who states that his purpose is user conflict resolution (which can be done w/o the sysop tools). However, his past contributions and the way he's carried himself so far (which is all I really know of him) indicate that he'd use the tools well. --JonTheMon 20:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 22) The Godfather of Guildwiki(together with Karlos). ~  Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 22:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) Support. Tanaric has a sound knowledge of how this wiki works and how to deal with issues. An excellent candidate - welcome back. — [[Image:User indochine dsk tree.png|15px]]  Indochine  talk 00:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 24) Support. Cress Arvein [[Image:User Cress Arvein sig.JPG]] 04:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 25) Support per Adrin. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]]  05:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 26) Support. "A good one". -- S  ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png|Special:Contributions/Silverleaf]] Don't assume, Ask! 10:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 27) Support. I looked at his contribs, new and old, and I like what I see. He's worthy of the position. --[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] ne  shot.  20:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 28) Support. I always trusted his judgement when he was active, no reason not to now that he's back. He's done nothing to show he isn't to be trusted as an admin.  calor   (talk)  20:44, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 29) Support. Unlike the couple of oppose votes currently noted, I personally think a fresh view on the wiki community can actually be a beneficial aspect to a sysop. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 04:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 30) Support. I don't believe I have ever had to second guess a decision made by Tanaric. From what I have seen since he's been back, his intelligence is still intact, he will adapt to how the wiki is now, and bring some of his almost way too many ideas :P to the table to help improve it as always. &mdash; Gares 01:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) Support. →[ » Halogod  User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 19:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) Support. for the same reason why I don't see the point of demoting proven and respected sysops for the sake of inactivity (and I thought I would be the only one voting in the new year ;) -- ab.er. rant  User Ab.er.rant Sig.png 13:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) Support. I've reviewed Tanaric's previous contributions and I see evidence of sound judgment, worthwhile use of sysops tools, and some understanding that other tools are available to sysops. I also see evidence of human fallibility...and willingness to learn from previous mistakes.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 23:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) This will likely be lost as a single oppose in a sea of supports, but... I'm happy to see Tanaric back, and I have the utmost admiration for him. I'm sure he could be one of our best sysops...Just not now. I'm sure Tanaric wants to do what is best for the wiki, but I don't think he has had time enough to see what the current wiki community thinks is best for the wiki. He has been back only for a few days, and those have been filled with drama, which means these are not typical times in which to get a feeling of the community. And while Tanaric could simply do what he feels is right, he too knows the example of Karlos, a well intended user who wanted to do everything he could for the betterment of the wiki...Even if that meant stampeding over anyone who had a different opinion about what "betterment of the wiki" meant, which eventually was most of the users here. Sysops don't exist in a vacuum. They either have to adapt to the community, or at least make clear what they see as things that the community should change. Tanaric could do either of those things, in due time; said time has not been elapsed yet, and thus I'm going to oppose today's RfA.  Erasculio  00:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) per User:Erasculio - FireFox  [[Image:User_FireFox_av.png]] 05:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. per User:FireFox [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose. See Erasculio. I also think this thread applies. I'm sorry, Aric - you're, like, my idol of everything good and holy Wiki-wise...but, I just feel this is premature and maybe not even ultimately good for the wiki as a whole. (yeah yeah, biting the hand that fed you, etc. I'm bad, and I should feel bad for this vote :p) Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 10:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose Cannot trust someone who cannot respect my honesty and has to nitpick what I say to compare it with the AGF policy. Sorry, but I vote against as Why understood what I said and was thankful for it (got msg in email.) I am also voting no, because it is clear to me, one cannot judge without getting an ego or personal feelings in the way or reading into text that's not going to make sense to analyze. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥  20:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Neutral
when referring to blocks as personally I have always preferred discussion between the original blocking sysop and the disagreeing sysop before reverting a block, then again I may just be misreading what you mean. The main reason I have chosen to vote neutral is because since you have been gone for around a year and a half this rfa might be a bit premature/early ... maybe weak support would be better? -- Kakarot  04:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Neutral. I'm not sure. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral. --  Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 09:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral. Just because I wasn't here when he was active so I cant be sure. But they say he is good.--SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 10:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Neutral He may be a good candidate, but the user has not checked in to see the changes that this wiki has had, from when he left to when he came back. I am starting to think that this RFA is a bit early, with his recent 'hasty' behavior in what seems to push a couple of members into being 'sysops'. Instead of letting them know it's there and to make their own choice completely and freely. However, he has been helpful recently with the issue that has occurred, but I am slightly with Erasculio, yet am slightly with Xeeron. So, I am removing my support down to Neutral, until I can see more clearly that he's understanding the way the wiki is now, to the way it was then. Well, more so until I really feel comfortable having this person have 'power' again. I just don't think we'd want an abuser with the ops and I kinda sense that a little bit. We all need to give a little bit of AGF and that's lacking. I'm trying to give some here, but it's become a little bit difficult adding that in with my decision with this RFA. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥  11:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Neutral I wasn't around before Tanaric left, and I know nothing of him. <font color="#008800">Manifold  [[Image:User_Manifold_Jupiter.jpg|19px]] 16:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Neutral I would support, because I've heard only good things, but I haven't seen those things first-hand.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Neutral. Statements such as "I do not intend to patrol recent changes or perform other wiki-gnome work" and "I also enjoy taking an active role in user disputes...having "sysop" behind my name sometimes does impart authority" makes me think that the sysop position is being used for something other than being a sysop. This is more of a general concern, not enough to go oppose. [[File:User De Kooning sig.png]] <font color="#AAAAAA">... de  <font color="#AAAAAA">Kooning  16:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Neutral. Even though I hear you are some kind of wiki-god, personally I haven't seen it due to the lack of recent activity I've seen. You've just come back from a long break, and five days after you're back you've already got an RfA up, which makes it seem more like a popularity contest (well it is an RfA...). Personally I think it would be rather rash to pass you given others, who have been a lot more active recently, may deserve it more. Would you vote for a politician if they have been out-of-office for a extended period of time? <font color="#bb00bb" size="3px">~Celestia  15:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Neutral. From what I've heard, Tanaric was one of the "wiki-gods of old" way back in the time before I existed on this wiki. I'd support in a heartbeat were I there in the moment, per say, but I prefer judging on current events. Since he's been back for such a short time (that or I'm blind), I can't help but vote neutral at the moment. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering  <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  05:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Neutral: Motivation without clear Agenda easily confounds me -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 08:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Neutral: Leaning more towards support based on what I remember of you when you were previously a sysop. Although I'm not entirely sure about your comment "If I disagree strongly, I will revert the block."

Request for Reconfirmation

 * 1) I'm just leaving this here... -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel  [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">20:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I would have done it myself if it wasn't for CA. - Reanimated X 20:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Hopefully, I don't get banned for this. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:42, 23 February 2010  (UTC)
 * 4) --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 20:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Blatant abuse of sysop tools. I did not nor do I ever troll. I am not good at it so I dont do it. Also blocking CA for adding a request for reconfirmation. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin
 * 6) Looking at recent events on the wiki, I feel that this user no longer understand what is good for the wiki; abusing sysop tools by banning people to prevent them from disagreeing with him, letting his emotions out of control and most importantly condoning the actions and wikilawyering of a well-known troll, thereby escalating the disruption and drama as well as setting a bad precedence for other users that trolling is fine. The user then justified his actions with excuses by stating he followed the advice of a user he perceived as a troll, even though he also claimed the user he was listening to wasn't making any sense. Pika Fan 23:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) For the first time, I need to agree with some people above. --  Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 23:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Hmmm, I'm a bit late on this situation; but I'm caught up now. I would have to say that I agree with the above statements.  I think Tanaric becoming a sysop was far too premature, I mean it was literally a matter of days after his arrival.  This entire situation proved that he was not and is not ready for admin responsibilities, yet.  I would prefer to see Tanaric as a regular user for at least few months so he can relearn how the community works and how to properly handle touchy situations (if he didn't actually rage, that is).  Abuse of sysop tools so early on in your adminship is not good my friend.  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 18:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) I believe that with recent events, before his first AoL, and with my oppose; I have to say that we need to reconsider Tanaric's sysop, especially with his recent judgments, including using outside sources, such as Irc, etc. and posting outside source to here (causing drama like 42 did).  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Sysops should be able to handle drama. This guy does not appear to handle it very well. Loves to Sync 17:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) What the blocking of CA! - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 18:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)