User talk:Pling/Archive box/2010 Jan-Mar

=January=

images
Pleasehelp -_- -- Shew 19:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!-- Shew 19:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Page Restore
Hi! Sorry to be a pain, but you're the only sysop I recognise who's online. I've not played Guild Wars in a long time, and I can't remember any character names, and subsequently can't log into GW :( I used to contribute a while back, and had a page up at User:AT/Characters, but I asked requested deletion - any chance you can restore it temporarily so I can get my account back? Thanks! -- AT (talk | contribs) 22:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I left the deletion tag on there, in case you wanted it to be deleted later; obviously remove it if you want the page kept :P. -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I you. Feel free to delete again, I'll just slip back into inactivity :p --  AT (talk | contribs) 22:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted. See you again next year! :P -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

external links to internal images ugh. – alistic 17:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Signature
You changed it, huh? I liked the image =P --  Lacky 14:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm experimenting, really :P. I previewed -- Pling, -- pling, — pling , plus those with the image included. Probably a few more. Some with colours. The one I have now was the one I thought was best, and it looks a lot cleaner without the image. — pling 14:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What you really need is just a cleaner ring thing imo. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  18:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it all looks good in my opinion. ^_^ -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|link=User_talk:Lacky|My Talk]] Lacky 19:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * :] poke | talk 18:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I changed it back >.>. Just for you, pokey. And Emmett. And Armond mentioned something too. Lacky as well, I guess. -- pling User Pling sig.png 21:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:TahiriVeila
As the question seems to have gotten lost in the chatter, you think I should move it back to the ANB? &mdash; Jon    Lupen  19:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's gone wildly off topic now... :P. I dunno. Do what you think is best. Maybe put the original comments back, and leave the new comments somewhere else? -- pling User Pling sig.png 21:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

TahiriVeila NPA Block
Other, off topic question: Why did Tahiri get a week for NPA? I'd understand if his comments were outright trolling or vehement, but they were no worse than what Eras said that pissed him off. Karate  Jesus  19:07, 15 January 2010  (UTC)
 * biased X treme 20:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've just been discussing this with Tahiri via email, so this is essentially what I sent him. I'm assuming he doesn't mind me putting this on wiki (it's only my comments anyway).
 * and, with the latter showing how he intended his personal attacks to indeed be personal attacks and disruptive. Since his last block was also for personal attacks, was for three days, and ended only four days ago, I used the next default increment of block length, which is pretty much standard for blocks. This edit from last night - - also factored into it, but it wasn't the explicit reason given in the log.
 * I also outlined why I didn't intervene in regards to Erasculio's comment about Tahiri's contribs - Tahiri already voiced his objection, it's not usual for Erasculio to make personal attacks, and the comment itself, as I interpreted it at least, was an illustration of the kind of editing being discussed and not really more than that. I outlined ways that Tahiri could go about resolving this in the email if he still feels strongly about it. -- pling User Pling sig.png 21:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "it's not usual for Erasculio to make personal attacks"


 * What wiki have I been on then? Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  21:31, 15 January 2010  (UTC)
 * By that I meant that the comment Eras made was obviously intended to offend Tahiri and was passive aggressive as holy hell. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  21:41, 15 January 2010  (UTC)
 * I find it funny that Jake (Tahiri) was banned and Eras wasn't. They were both going back and forth with one-another, passive-aggressively or w/e. You openly admitted to Eras making a personal attack, yet he's allowed to edit this wiki. That's not being a fair and just admin. When I ban on PvX, I ban because the person deserved it. I don't find myself wanting to appear attentive and with good intentions, only to ban with a biased view. If Eras was NPAing Jake, then he should also be banned. -- Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  22:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And to show that we're not biased, Big and I have probably both banned Tahiri like 10 times (collectively). So, we're not sticking up for him. This is just biased. Plain and simple. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:10, 15 January 2010  (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure where Tahiri and Erasculio were back-and-forthing, and I don't remember myself saying Erasculio made a personal attack. I also explained the reasons for blocking Tahiri and for not blocking Erasculio. Blocking one person and not another doesn't amount to bias, it just means one person deserved a block and the other didn't, depending on their actions, according to the involved sysop; it doesn't have to be 'both must be blocked or neither' to be unbiased. If I wanted to appear attentive to the discussion and comments, I'd discuss and comment, as I did. To show my good intentions, I'd discuss the block and explain the reasoning for it, as I have. The block was intended to be a block.
 * If you don't think this is reasonable enough, you can request more input (admin or otherwise) at GWW:NOTICE or GWW:RFC. -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So, "move along now" is what we get? Lol, very nice approach. Just so you're aware, it's obvious that both of them were in violation, especially from re-reading. And a week is ridiculous considering the offense, but meh. Do what you want I guess. It's not like anyone cares. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:49, 15 January 2010  (UTC)
 * Again...

"it's not usual for Erasculio to make personal attacks"

. That is just dumb.<font color="#b22222"> X treme  12:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * you openly admitted it. And yet our objections to something that's obviously ridiculous and biased are brushed aside like so much talk page clutter. Nice. -- <font color="#342EFF">Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  22:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel he mad some personal attacks, link a few of them. Also, I think Pling's point was that he's not known for making personal attacks, aka unlikely. --JonTheMon 22:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * pewpew -- <font color="#342EFF">Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  23:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Something like that, yeah. I didn't intend that to mean "he made personal attacks". KJ, how am I telling you to move along? Asking for external opinions is common and encouraged in discussions - asking at the linked pages to comment here would help in getting those opinions.
 * Also, it's evidently not "obvious" that both were in violation, nor is it obvious that it's ridiculous or biased, else I'd agree with you (cos it's "obvious"). If explaining in detail why I did what I did is "brushing aside" your comments, I'm not really sure what else to do, other than immediately reverse the block or block Erasculio. Again, this is where external opinions will come in handy. -- pling User Pling sig.png 23:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * multiple ECs @KJ... did you even read Pling's rationale for the block? You can go back and forth about whether or not Erasculio personally attacked Tahiri all you want, but Tahiri definitely deserved a block (and the 1 week part was already explained). And while I'm at it, "baww he did it too ban him!!1" is a pretty terrible argument.
 * @Big, Pling has reasonably and rationally explained him block. Even if you disagree, declaring Pling "brushed aside [your contribs] like so much talk page clutter" is a pretty big leap. Jon's post ftw also. – Emmett  23:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I find humor in the fact that several admins feel the need to come to the defense of another. Not insulting anyone, but this seems to be a bit of a circle-jerk. The reasons behind the block were dumb, I will not take back my statement on that. We have made it abundantly clear that it was kinda dumb. What you guys consider NPA here and versus other Wikis I've been on is much more sensitive and (dumb) not very-well outlined. NPA, from my understanding, is... things like that. I've always followed those guidelines. I mean really...if someone says, no offense or that it's not directed at anyone in general..or anything like that, you all should relent, if only a tiny bit. You people stifle discussion and are choking the life out of this website with your overbearing policy enforcing BS. Furthermore, he said he'd be fine with the block reversed. ^____^ -- <font color="#342EFF">Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  23:15, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Does being an admin devalue the arguments they're making? Do they agree because they're admins, or because they agree with the arguments presented and the circumstances behind it? Is it unexpected that admins discuss blocks and other administrative situations? Is it unexpected that GWW enforces a GWW policy based on GWW opinions as opposed to other-wiki policies and other-wiki opinions? -- pling User Pling sig.png 23:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ad-hominem? lol? and your arguments are devalued based off of the fact that you blocked him for a week. For something that would barely be considered NPA. Also, go surf around other wikis. The policies enforced there are generally the same here. Do you honestly believe this is the first video game wiki site ever made? Do not insult my intelligence (and yours, for that matter) with your carefully thought up replies and witty little links you tend to have an affinity for. -- <font color="#342EFF">Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  23:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * RE:Evidence link: just that one edit? --JonTheMon 23:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, if you aren't going to unban him, just forget it. I don't feel like sifting through his contributions is worth any effort whatsoever. -- <font color="#342EFF">Dee <font color="#00008B">Strongfist  00:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite honestly, I don't see any violation of NPA in Erasculio's comment that you linked. He was stating a fact, that Tahiri had made zero contributions in the mainspace, and that his primary purpose here seemed to be using the staff feedback talk pages (based on his contribution count). How do you consider this an attack worthy of a block? He did not call him any names, unlike Tahiri who used several unsavory names to refer to Erasculio and others participating in the discussion. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Big, I love you and all, but circle-jerking is what PvX sysops do, not GWW sysops. If you haven't read the block review case, you might want to - it just shows you evidence of my claim. - Auron 04:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's okay to intentionally cause offense (general dickery and asshattery are not bannable except by discretion, and, even in those cases, letter-of-the-law users will oppose those decisions) based on personal characteristics rather than actions, so long as you don't directly attack anyone. This is common knowledge, Big.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  04:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So it is okay to violate NPA "long as you don't directly attack anyone"
 * Do you read what you type before you hit "save page?" If they didn't attack anyone, it isn't a violation of No Personal Attacks. This isn't rocket science, it's elementary school English. - Auron 13:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes...and indirect insult is still a breach....rocket science logic is something this conversation lacks....however elementary logic is abundant<font color="#b22222"> X treme 14:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank the lord it isn't up to you to uphold policies. - Auron 01:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for proving my point above<font color="#b22222"> X treme 02:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

GFLD
I have a quick question about the GFLD stuff. If it's fanart or something like that released under GFLD of something copyrighted, is it ok to use it on the wiki? :x-- /u/nending fear   21:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * "like that released under GFLD of something copyrighted," It's either GFLD OR copyrighted. --<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  21:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If it is released under the GFDL (or equivalent) then it can be used here. Otherwise, it can't. Is that what you were asking? — [[Image:User indochine dsk tree.png|15px]] Indochine  talk 21:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya :)-- /u/nending fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.jpg 21:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: GFDL and copyright are not mutually exclusive. Licensing something as GFDL does not mean you do not have copyright. The creator still owns full copyright of the item in question, it just means he/she agreed to let you use it for your own intents and purposes. The creator can still go beyond the bounds of GFDL while the "users" can't. To answer the question though, you can use a GFDL-licensed image here if you tag it with GFDL image and specify the source. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 09:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I should probably add that as far as I know, you're limited to GFDL 1.2 (and previous versions). I do not think it's possible to use a GFDL 1.3-licensed image on a GFDL 1.2-licensed Wiki, only the other way around. But then again I could be wrong. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 09:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Test Krewe
The page has been moved twice now. I don't see how a new request improve the situation. -- Cyan  17:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't a "request" but a note that some people think it should be moved. The discussion still seems to be undecided, and the suggested title name is still one of the options. If you think the current situation is a good compromise, feel free to say so on the talk page, but leave the tag until a consensus is reached. -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Clear explanation. =) -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 10:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Fair use
Plingalingadigalingapling, what is fair use exactly? can I use it on this wiki? <.<-- / u / nending  fear   03:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * From the Wikipedia article: Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that a yes or no? <.<-- / u / nending  fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I've never seen a Fair Use image on this wiki, so I'd assume no. Although, it really depends on what you plan to use the image for. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My signature <.<-- / u / nending  fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd have to say it wouldn't be covered by Fair Use, then. Sorry. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn, that's not fair :x-- / u / nending  fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't matter since Fair Use images are not allowed on this wiki. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  03:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know that <.<-- / u / nending  fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification Wyn; I'm not that up-to-date on the Wiki policies. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Can you please block User:71.206.176.16, he keeps vandalizing. Thanks. Reaper of Scythes ** 21:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Blocked. In future, you can request this on Guild Wars Wiki:Admin noticeboard (there's a link on the left navbar). -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, didnt know. Thanks. Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 22:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

PLIIINNNG
Can I use a chibi one of my friends drew for me of Miku for a user box? :o-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear   01:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what a "chibi" is or what "Miku" is, nor how closely your friend's drawing resembles this Miku. Chances are you won't be able to use it. -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * O.O Chibi = Drawing style. Miku = Hatsune Miku...-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 17:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Btw: -- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 17:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And here's the picture: -- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 18:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think Hatsune Miku falls under fair use. Even if your friend drew it, the original concept is what is protected, not the person who drew it. I think. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  18:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Awwww, damnit q.q-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 18:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I just thought about it, and it's got to have some degree of fail use. There is some pictures of Miku stuff on Wikipedia Commons (or something like that)-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 18:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Amusingly enough, you can't use fair use here. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 18:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, I know :/-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 18:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So, anything final on this Pling?-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 19:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know to be absolutely sure, but for me it looks sufficiently different to the original. Whether it still counts as a derivative work, I've no idea, but someone else (tanetris, poke) would know. If it's acceptable, your friend will still need to release it under GFDL (e.g. by saying "I release this image under GFDL 1.2") before you can use it. -- pling User Pling sig.png 21:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * THANKS YOU! -- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Notice I didn't say "yes, absolutely you can use it" - I said "I don't know, probably, ask someone else". -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'll go do that <.<'-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While the image is based on another is does not appear to actually incorporate any of the original work in the new work. In the past we've decided that traces or near-exact copies are clearly derivative works - this image is not one of them so I will agree with Pling and say it's acceptable - conditional, of course, of the image being available under the GFDL. — [[Image:User indochine dsk tree.png|15px]] Indochine  talk 22:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * kk, thank you so much! Where should I have my friend say it's GFDL? <.<'-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If he's displaying it on some website just add a line at the bottom saying released under the GFDL 1.2 and give a link . On Flickr, there is (I think) an option to choose the licence that it is released under. Or he could put a rather crude notice on the image itself! — [[Image:User indochine dsk tree.png|15px]] Indochine  talk 22:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll see what she can do ^_^-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 22:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is actually no need to especially state somehow, that it is released under the GFDL. If you ask him, as the author, and he said it's okay for you to post it on a GFDL page, then you are allowed to do so. By telling you it's okay he automatically releases the image under GFDL. Everybody who wants to use that image then knows it is released under GFDL (because it's on a GFDL wiki) and the only one who can complain about unauthorized usages is the author alone, who at the beginning allowed you to use it. So if this image/character is not copyrighted yet, you are safe to use the image if the author says it's okay. poke | talk 19:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

=February=

Thank you
For TV's block. That was just too obvious a bait at Wyn.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  18:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * She needs to stop biting this easily, tbh. It wasn't sporting of TV, GG blocked. Thanks! NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Tbh, he wasn't baiting her...at first. He commented on Grinch's page and she jumped in, then he responded on her page. Technically, she baited him.... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">18:49, 8 February 2010  (UTC)
 * Guild Wars Wiki, the home of Freedom of Speech. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 18:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not all Wiki users are Americans. Some live in places that don't allow that sort of thing. They're just being well rounded.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hrmm, maybe, Guild Wars Wiki Home of (apparent) Controversial Occurrences, but that's a bit long winded! --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 18:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously? Meh, guess I should be used to it. Have nice week, Pling :D -- Karate Jesus 18:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You all might wish to find something useful and productive to do. -- pling User Pling sig.png 19:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Like what? :s-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 19:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:NPC stubs, Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Skill history, Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Skills animations, Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Images to update, Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Images needed, Special:Random. There's plenty of stuff to do. -- pling User Pling sig.png 19:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

failblccker much? 127.0.0.1 19:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * wow bad blocks. you should block Frosty next just to have the whole set. 19:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Or as Pling said we could stop the backseat sysoping, do something useful on the wiki and just get on with our lives? -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 19:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ban anybody who says anything controversial and then go with the ok now all shut up, unbelievable. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 19:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * or you guys could lrn2sysop and stop being biased and corrupt. the two bans were ridiculous and you know it. also, gares told us to take it up with a sysop if we have a problem with it so im taking it up with a sysop. how about you guys be responsible for your actions instead of banning people for nothing. i may be relatively new here but i know bullshit when i see it. 19:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Their are of course methods of appeal for bans which people think are unfair, however thus far 4 sysops think the bans placed were justified. Instead of cluttering Pling's page, maybe consider following the standard appeal process (although as I said I'm not sure how far you'll get seeing as sysop consensus seems to be that the bans were fine). If the banned users do not wish to follow this appeal process however, then we should just drop the subject and stop pestering Pling. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 19:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * what appeal process? like you just said theres no good process. you guys make up your mind and its over. it doesnt matter if its just or fair. maybe the tahiri guys ban was fair but what the hell did karate do? he said he probably deserved the same thing but that doesnt mean you ban him. its just ridiculous. 19:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * TV and KJ trolled the easiest trollbait on the site, they got banned. Old story, move along citizens. come to my page I'm very lonely and easy Thanks! NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 19:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * sigh for the sake of "transparency" and "due process" (not that either are guaranteed), see Guild Wars Wiki:Appealing a block. While only a guideline proposal, it's not off the mark. --JonTheMon 20:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Salome, talking to the blocking sysop is part of the "standard appeal process". People are welcome to argue against a block they feel was handed out wrongly.
 * and are a couple of examples of KJ's trolling and baiting. It's clear to me that he intended to prolong the ridiculousness and get another response out of Wyn; he's shown a degree of "harassment" against Wyn in the past. The block prevents him from trolling further (though he's already circumvented his block, as you can see above). Frankly, him not being able to edit is more of a benefit to the wiki than him being able to.-- pling User Pling sig.png 20:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) wait sysops do block appeals? no wonder. why dont the bcrats do it like every other sound-minded site? everyone knows you cant get an unbiased opinion by asking the people who made the action. thats like having a study on the affects of pornography being funded by Hustler. 20:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * edit: wait, so the block was preventative? can you do that if he hasnt violated policy? 20:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * edit2: and it looks like he circumvented his block to tell you to have a good week. whats the harm in that? how was he hurting the site by pointing out the double-standards on this site? obviously wyn started it and I noticed his (her?) arbitration is still in process. wtf is with you people? 20:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a forum where everybody gets to chat and have fun and fool around. It is a topical fansite with a very limited scope. Perhaps you would have more fun on a forum or chat room of your choosing, or even perhaps in the game itself? &mdash;Tanaric 20:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * MSN MOAR-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I get told to go to the game or a forum? wtf? i was told to bring it up to an admin if i felt that it was unfair and its unfair and ridiculous. and all you can tell me is to go somewhere else? wow. just wow. 20:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Q.Q Moar, now MSN.-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't mind Unending. - Reanimated X 20:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yesh, all this drama has me in a trollish mood :3-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine fuck you guys. ive only been a member a few weeks but you guys are the biggest assholes ive ever seen on a wiki. banning karate was bullshit. he always seemed like a good guy even after he was banned he was nice. but questioning the admins here is a one way ticket to ban city apparently so im out. oh, and unending, fuck you. 20:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You bringing the lube or am I? :3-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLOLOL xD Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 20:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Unendingfear, please read Tanaric's comment, the block log (specifically the entries about trolling), and my comments on GW2W again. -- pling User Pling sig.png 20:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to get people on MSN -.--- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, please do it without turning GWW into MSN. -- pling User Pling sig.png 20:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * kk <.<-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You have MSN PLing ? Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 20:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have msn, you should be my friend. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 20:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * kk :3 Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 20:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Good lord, get a room and stop spamming. - Reanimated X 20:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Unendingfear@hotmail.com :3-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 20:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You aint no fun >.> Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 20:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The past
Why can't you just let it go? Vili &#x70B9; 21:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * what?-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 21:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello Pling, you should be thrown under a bus for your repeated and continued asshatery towards Karate Jesus, most profoundingly seen when you banned him for joking about being banned, it was a joke! --<font color="Black">Frosty  16:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In b4 b&. Thanks! NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 16:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

GW2W
I'm not going to question the block, since I understand your reasons, but I don't agree with your other points. Not all users are the same; it's obvious that different users have different strenghts. I have almost no knowledge of programming, so you won't see me trying to create a bot, for example. But what if I tried to make a bot that in my mind would benefit the wiki, but would actually mess all template pages and then make the site crash? What if, when people realized what I were trying to do, I chose to ignore half their points and replied to the rest with nonsensical arguments? People would have simply to tell me to shut up. In important matters of this wiki, those users are simply squashed as the majority of users (who fortunately know what they're doing) overcome the misguided user's opinion. However, lore is a niche field; and lore on the half empty GW2 wiki is twice as niche. You mentioned yourself how you would not be part of the discussion due to your lack of knowledge about the subject; it's exactly that kind of attitude that allow users who don't know what they're doing (despite how they think otherwise) to just run around unchecked. Notice how, after my block, no discussion happened; all we got was a revert, without any try to justify why the changes would be needed or any try to refute my points. In other words, not all changes may be done and just fixed later. Not all users are reasonable enough to discuss their mistakes. Which is one of the reasons why "be bold" doesn't mean "feel free to ignore everyone else and do whatever you want", rather "experiment, but if something is contested, discuss it". Do you really think simply replying to an argument with "Whatever" is a discussion, or a way to achieve consensus? Erasculio 19:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC) To clarify things, fan-fiction is player made lore, thus not canon. Everything I put up on either wiki is canon lore, and everything that I remove is either speculation, fan-fiction, or been retcon'd out of the lore. I cannot speak for others with that, but at least for me, I never put incorrect information on the wiki - in fact, the incorrect lore information on the wiki is the reason why I contribute so much, I put as much lore as possible on the wiki and remove all the incorrect lore. The unofficial wiki is a hellspawn of lore - a vast majority of that is incorrect and is pure speculation (I would fix that wiki, but it's just too much work), and I want to prevent the two official wikis from becoming such. If there is something that is a theory or is unsure, such as Jeff's comment that the Facets in EN look like such due to the source of their power, then I don't include it.
 * Lore on the GW2W is actually about 95% (don't quote me on that) of all content, so, relatively, it isn't niche. Santax, Konig, Aspectacle, and Shewmake are probably the most active content contributors, as well as yourself. It seems that, for the most part, the four of them disagree with you, so "the majority of users (who fortunately know what they're doing) overcome the misguided user's opinion" could apply with them as the former and you as the latter. Is it possible that you "don't know what [you're] doing (despite how [you may] think otherwise)", or that you're "[ignoring] everyone else and [doing] whatever you want"? Or even that you're "[ignoring] half their points and [replying] to the rest with nonsensical arguments"? Note that I'm not saying this is the case, but it may be worth you thinking about. You may be coming across as thinking "I'm right here, everyone else is wrong, and they JUST DON'T GET IT cos they're smelly fanfictioners!".
 * Without knowing what aspects of the page are correct or incorrect, I can't make an informed decision as to whether "you're" right or "they're" right, which is why I encouraged the discussion. It's easier to rely on the numbers and assume that Santax, Konig, and Aspectacle are correct on this specific issue, but I'd rather reach a better conclusion - what you could do during your block is draft a version with accurate information, include referencing with our handy new tool, and then post it in a sandbox when the block has expired. Focusing on the facts of the Gold Legion will be better than a meta-discussion on how much GW info should be on GW2W. -- pling User Pling sig.png 21:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to step in for a quick moment: "Without knowing what aspects of the page are correct or incorrect, I can't make an informed decision as to whether "you're" right or "they're" right"
 * If I must, then I will provide the facts from other places, though usually the lists will be long and come from either the articles (such as manuals, An Empire Divided), interviews (this is only for GW2 lore), and in-game quests/dialogues/repeated actions. And honestly, nothing that Erasculio removes - that I have observed, at least - is actually "fan-fiction." Most of it relates to the less spoken lore, or for GW2W parts that link to GW1W. GW1's lore does have an affect on GW2, and Linsey said it will even be a vice versa case (GW2 lore affecting GW1 lore). -- Konig / talk 21:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Pling, it's not just a matter of me being right and they being wrong; it's a matter of no discussion happening because unfortunately not everyone can be reasoned with. Again take the Gold Legion article as an example - it wasn't an article deemed as contested, and then discussed in its controversial sections; Santax literally said "Whatever" and reverted back when I was out of his way, ignoring the discussion itself (and also ignoring your request for a discussion). That's far different from the group of users who actually bother to edit the lore of GW2 reaching a consensus and deciding how the article should be. Erasculio  00:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The discussion seems to be progressing now, so yay. -- pling User Pling sig.png 11:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Current Standings top 3

 * Misery: +34-7=+ 27
 * Gares Redstorm: +33-9=+ 24
 * Pling: +34-12=+ 22

Votes,i mean :P

(Thanks User:Loves to Sync)

-- Nei l2250  The Render Nazi  15:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh shi- Less approval votes for Gares, please? 3;-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 15:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Update Gares -1 point, Before you ask, i didnt vote for just UF's sake.I know who would be good.Anyway.Im to Evil to care for other people >_> -- Nei l2250  The Render Nazi User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 15:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe Pling would do well as a bcrat or I wouldn't have voted for him and visa versa with Pling nominating me. I also believe Pling and myself are probably the two admins that still ban on a regular basis to keep things from getting out of hand, so the downside is that we'd lose that responsibility should either of us become bcrats. I do believe some votes are for popularity (duh), others for the fact that know bcrats can't ban unless it's an emergency, and then the ones that believe the individual would be right for the position. It's pretty obvious which ones are which, so the majority of votes should just be taking with a grain of salt. &mdash; Gares 18:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Clearly the only solution is for you both to withdraw and give me the seat. :) &mdash;Tanaric 19:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do have an affinity to being an enforcer-type (football player, bouncer, and the toughest...admin :P) and could probably be convinced if the wheels were greased a bit. *cough* 1/5th of Jack *cough* ;) &mdash; Gares 19:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Holy shit pling....
Can I contest my 2 week ban? 3: --71.48.248.29 17:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've commented on your talk page. -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but
"Killer Demon, you need to stop reacting angrily. Acting in this way might only lead to a further block. If you feel yourself getting in a state of rage, close the wiki and do something else until you're feeling rational enough to return" Pling Sorry, but I have Autistic Spectrum Disorder, 1 level under Asbergers, at that. And my stress levels are about  TWICE as high as yours.|<font color="#000000">Killer  <font color="#000000">demon  21:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That is lovely, but you still need to function within normal society. If you are having difficulty managing your condition, I suggest you seek additional professional help. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Disorder or not, the wiki isn't the place for your rage and stress.--[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] neshot 21:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * *Asperger's [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 21:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 *  *ASPERGER'S --[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] neshot 22:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "I can be a dick because I have Asperger's!" Are you sure you're not just being a dick?
 * Relatedly: [[file:howtonotsuckatlife.bmp]]. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  23:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You utter fuckard. First, you edit-conflict me. Then YOU INSULT ME YOU FUCKING BITCH!|<font color="#000000">Killer  <font color="#000000">demon User Killer demon User-Killer demon.jpg 23:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Watch out. NPA. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 23:47, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, so much anger... -- Lania Elderfire 23:49, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

You'd be fucking angry if you had Aspergers and Someone had insulted you.|<font color="#000000">Killer  <font color="#000000">demon  23:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Step away from the keyboard, calm down, don't retaliate. By doing so, you only make the matter worse. Rage all you want, but don't post it. <font color="Blue">Shadow <font color="Cyan">Runner  23:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean you can behave like you want here. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 23:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that. Only problem is, I fly off the handle about 50 times a day. 200 if those bast-Sorry-Jerkie Kurzicks Have me.|<font color="#000000">Killer  <font color="#000000">demon User Killer demon User-Killer demon.jpg 23:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, stop using Asperger's as an excuse. Then, understand that the wiki is no place for your rage, stop breaching NPA, and calm the fuck down.--[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] neshot 23:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Killer demon:If you need assistance taking a break when you get worked up on the wiki, I will be more than happy to assist you. To everyone else: It's been said, no need to bait him. <font color="#A55858">Misery  23:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * @Oneshot: EXCUSE!!?! YOU BITCH!!!! Do you have a fucking grudge against me?!
 * @Misery: Thank You. *Bows head* I've already had a K.A.L.M.S. Course.|<font color="#000000">Killer  <font color="#000000">demon User Killer demon User-Killer demon.jpg 00:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Question
For you. You seem to be the most level headed sysop on the wiki, I want to upload an image of a hot chick that plays GW (whom i actually met playing JQ, Go figure). Am I gonna get into trouble for that? shes not naked or anything. Just dont know the policy with uploads of IRL pics and such. --71.193.48.146 22:20, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all, just as long as there are no objects in there with copy vio. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 22:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to own the copyright to the image to release it under the GFDL license. If she took the photo and sent it to you, she owns the copyright and you need her permission to upload it. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Was taken over an MSN webcam. Am I still good? (yes im the one that took it) --71.193.48.146 22:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Legally, I wouldn't know. Seems a pretty grey area to me, I suspect that would be fine. That aside, if she objected to it being posted and requested that it be deleted, I would probably delete it, but there is nothing against posting a non-obscene picture of a friend within your user space. Naturally anyone else is free to chime in if I am totally wrong. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What they said. -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Watch Page
Is there a way to just watch the main article of a page instead of both the main article and it's talk pages? Never really used the watch fearture of the wiki but I've added many of the pages I commonly visit to it to see when they update. Lately though, lots of peopl have been chattin on the talk pages tied to those pages so it shows updates when the main page doesn't have anything new. :( Any info on this would be great. Thanks in advance. Magic    Talk  20:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There isn't, however, Poke has developed a useful tool so you can sort your watchlist. Read that page for more information :) - Mini Me   talk  20:25, 21 February 2010

You'd think I'd have noticed, eh?
Sorry 'bout that. A F K When  Needed 21:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * np -- pling User Pling sig.png 16:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

orphaned image?
looks like you deleted a bit too much. (take it easy though, that was already back then in 2008...which makes me wonder even more why nobody changed the article since then) &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 23:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah. It can't be undeleted though - it was deleted before files were made to be stored after deletion. -- pling User Pling sig.png 16:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * wow. i didn't even know deleted files can be restored now, so that's a delightful message for me nontheless :D &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 22:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Can i has IRC back?
This is specifically not trolling. It's not intended to be trolling. I'd just like to be unblocked from IRC since all i was doing was relaying KJ's messages to you :( --TahiriVeila 20:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Main Page/activities protection change
I must say i've waited that change for a long time ^^ - J.P. Talk </b> 11:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pling! <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 11:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"inappropriate picture - clothes are generally required in profile images"
I loled. Drogo Boffin 19:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow Pling...you made me laugh!-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 19:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Block discussion

 * However, Kaisha/Ariyen or whatever her name may be is acouple of minutes released from her block and then she got another block, infinite this time. I don't understand this, because the reason you gave with the block was just foggy. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 19:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * How's that foggy? She's back for two minutes and causing drama, so Pling blocked both accounts, saying that that user having an account is just bad for the wiki. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, then the sysop team can block a lot more. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 19:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I know alot of people falling into that category... ^^ -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">19:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * She asked for it. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 19:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A certain sysop kind of tried that recently... <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Causing drama? She signed the RfC of the sysop who banned her. How is that causing drama? I seriously question the correctness of this block and believe it should be looked at a little bit. Also, there was nothing wrong with that picture. It's deletion was also just a "personal" call by you, and didn't have anything whatsoever to do with the deletion policy. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I decided to revoke her editing (and emailing) privileges because her consistent behaviour has contributed to disruptive drama, her socking has been a nuisance, and in general she's abused those privileges. The block wasn't directly related to the contributions she made after her last block expired, but it was in concern of her past and probable future. Her editing just reminded me she's still here, that she's had multiple chances, and that sysops aren't doing enough, so I saw fit to act. -- pling User Pling sig.png 19:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, imo, you acted wrongly. Once again, you are taking a holier than thou attitude. Get over yourself, especially in regards to the email. She has the right to email a bureaucrat, or other admins, and it's not your call to remove that. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Aren't bureaucrat email addresses available here? <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it is when she's abusing that tool - Tanaric's log of emails, my own inbox, and (I'm sure) others' inboxes contain emails that shouldn't have been sent over the wiki. The bureaucrat(s) have public email addresses listed, so she can contact them if she wants, but I'd prefer emails not to be sent over the wiki software. As I think you've said in the past, "[wiki-mailing] is a privilege, not a right" - it's been said before, probably by you but maybe not, so I'm hesitant to attribute it to someone :P.
 * In regards to the image, someone at their computer wearing nothing visible but a bra (or a bit of string attached over the shoulder going in the general torso area) comes close to "pornography" to my mind, and that's prohibited by GWW:IMAGE. -- pling User Pling sig.png 19:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait it was a personal picture of her and not a character. Now I am confused. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 19:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In your opinion its a bra, I don't share that opinion. I also don't agree with this block. She created no drama in the few minutes she was released, and there were no signs she was planning to do that. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 19:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not just the few minutes it was her whole past of drama and her ability to bring it back up. I did not see the picture so I know nothing about that. This block sets a dangerous precident. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 19:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Since when is a girl in a bikini top considered pornography? Stop grasping at straws to defend your over zealous behavior. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If she's infinitely blocked, does she really need a picture of herself on the wiki? <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would appear that she was blocked because of the image. Freedom also has a valid point. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 19:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * {{ec]] I felt that picture was incongruent with the context and culture of the wiki or at least how a wiki should be. It's more like a Facebook or Myspace style profile picture. If that was an isolated thing, that's okay, but considering history of the person, it's an attempt at getting attention. -- Lania Elderfire 20:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Once again, Pling, you have quadrupled the drama level by placing a questionable block with little if any sound reasoning behind it. How does this benefit the wiki, or this community in general? I realize you just got through a successful RfA, but I really think you have let it go to your head. I personally consider your actions more disruptive than anything Kaisha did in the 3 minutes she was back from her block (which she did sit out). Given the number of times some users have been blocked here for disruption, to make this a perma at this time is total bs, and I think you know it, even if you won't admit it in public. This is strictly based on your personal dislike of this particular user, and imo is much worse behavior for a sysop than ANYTHING I ever did. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh just shut the fuck up Wyn. Seriously. --92.10.117.207 20:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Let keep it civil here please! -- Lania Elderfire 20:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * @ Lania: For example. More people on this wiki post a real life picture and there is no policy against that. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 20:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * erm lies :P -- Nick 123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 20:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So the fact that people have caused drama in the past is now a reasonable cause for a perma ban? Well then Pling you might as well block me, Wyn, Tanaric, yourself and about 1000 or so other users here. Come on, even you have to see the flaw in your logic here :/. Why would you consider that image pornography? It didn't even look like a bra/bikini top to me, more like a low cut short shirt. Even with that said, even if it was a bra/bikini top that's still not pornography... And if youvthink it is you should either look up the definition or do some research :P. I mean come on.... Seriously? -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 23:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

How is it that I got trolled like crazy for stating that most girls i've met in online games are ugly, yet it's perfectly okay for people to argue that there's no problem with women posting pictures of themselves half naked on wiki. GWW confounds me.--TahiriVeila 23:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm starting to get really annoyed. I have no problem staying away from him, but could you PLEASE try and get him to stop referring to me as TV. I don't appreciate it and his refusal to accommodate my simple request has been one of my major motivations for trolling him (along with his general idiocy)--TahiriVeila 20:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which part of my comment on your talk page you misunderstood, but evidently you missed something, going by "along with his general idiocy". Please read it again. Also, Briar's been asked to call you something else, he's refused, and I'm not gonna make a fuss over it. I suggest you don't, either. -- pling User Pling sig.png 13:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Basic psychology tells me you should try not being an ass to him.If he is childish as you claim (I'm going to be neutral here :P) then you should act accordingly Yeen  13:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Can I
Get a merge with the lilondra account ? Yeen 13:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In case you need validation from both accounts Yeen  13:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * GWW:RUM. Also, Pling is not a bureaucrat so he can't do it. <font color="#A55858">Misery  14:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for helping me out, I'm not really familiar with wikis Yeen  14:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

=March=

Hey
First. Also, how did you know for sure that guy was Lena anyway? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  22:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Checkuser results pretty much confirmed it. -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh, am I good at guessing the glaringly obvious or what? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 22:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

WHAT?!
D':   is for   Raine,   etc.  23:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 3/10/10 the day the wiki died? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">23:27, 10 March 2010  (UTC)
 * Pling resigned? O_O--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 23:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * \o/ yeah 127.0.0.1 23:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * \o/ indeed :D -- pling User Pling sig.png 23:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why? xD--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 23:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Finally get a break don't ya? Don't worry, I won't trash the wiki. ;) but seriously, I tip my hat off to you for the basic construction and the mass help you have done here on the wiki as a sysop. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 00:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * *salutes* &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  02:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I retract my marriage proposal. – Emmett  02:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * \o/ – User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 02:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever your reasons, it is a loss for the wikis. Will you still be around on GW2W? - you were the active sysop. O_O --Aspectacle 02:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ........ T_T --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  03:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't really been around to watch things, but even if you were a good or bad admin, I appreciate your effort and what you've done. Peace :> -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 07:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hope that this is just an advanced form of wiki-break (sysop-break). All the best in any case. --Xeeron 10:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't plan on leaving the wiki, I just don't particularly want to sysop it anymore. I'll probably become a little less active, but considering the state of the game and the wiki, that's inevitable - there's less to do and the objectives aren't as clear anymore. Since the burden of sysopping isn't on me, maybe I'll find being here more fun and less restrictive.
 * Concerning GW2W, it's business as usual :P. -- pling User Pling sig.png 13:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, just watch out for bans for too long convo's xD--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 14:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, just saw this! Horrible news for the wiki...Well good luck Pling! <font color="#bb00bb" size="3px">~Celestia 14:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for everything pling :)! If you feel like coming back I'm sure the door will be open anytime! -- Lania Elderfire 15:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is very late, but I just wanted to say thank you for all that you have done for the wiki. I know you'll still be around, but you're one of the people who has made this wiki the amazing tool that it is.  Thank you.  MiraLantis 23:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I can still ask you for help with copy vio stuff, right? >.>
Would the picture of the moon from here be a copy vio? File:User Idmz Moon2.jpg I know you can copy right the moon, but... xD--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear   04:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * yes. since the wiki doesn't accept fair use policies, as a general rule, anything you have to ask about is a copyvio.  –Jette 04:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I'll tag it then--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear   04:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What makes you think that website is the source? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 04:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * --<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 04:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well gee, I guess that site also owns the copyright to Disney's Alice in Wonderland then. Come ooooon. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether they do or don't, because the image use probably qualifies as fair use. GWW doesn't allow that because ANet's lawyers have a stick up their ass.  –Jette 06:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thing is, I would guess it's a photo from NASA, which afaik is public domain. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 06:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

'nother quick question
Would this and the others like it need an anet image tag (as it is an edited version of a cape emblem; I'm not sure?--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear   05:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Most likely. J.P. tagged some of my skills as Anet property cause I stole the images. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 05:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok then--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 05:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
For the edit summaries. I'll keep them more pointed and less capslocked in the future. ♥   is for   Raine,   etc.  20:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Firefox tabs
I saw your Firefox thing about the 3.6 tab change on twitter, I had the same problem too. I don't use Twitter so yeah, but in case if you haven't found out already, you can revert it to its old functionality instead of the current relative functionality by doing this: put "about:config" (no quotes) into your address bar, hit enter, in the filter box put "browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent", then double click on the thing that shows so that it changes to false. Then you're set! DarkNecrid 13:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * i really love that warning message XD. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 13:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I promised to be careful. -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 14:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - though Poke pointed it out a few minutes after my comment :P. -- pling User Pling sig.png 18:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I use the Tab Mix Plus addon. Deals with that problem and a ton of other stuff (e.g. useful Opera style functionality like quickly duplicating tabs). That, together with firegestures almost converts me to FF. --Xeeron 18:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Unique Items
You were absolutely right about the revert of my edit to Unreplicable Unique Items (dunno what I was thinking). However, do you think it would be a good idea to make a list of those weapons (organized by profession, maybe?), then include that in the Lists of Unique Items category? If so, I'd be happy to do it. :) Ailina 16:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm kind of a wiki noob, and would probably have a lot of trouble coding the actual tables (yes, I looked at the code for the other lists, and was still confused, so I don't know if copy-pasting would work), but I'd be happy to do the organization, if someone else can do the actual implementation. Ailina 16:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * A list of those would be useful, yeah. I'm not really sure how the lists are constructed, though - it looks like the information is just copied from each article, but that seems like it would take too long, so there's probably some other way (or I'm too lazy to consider that that's how it's done). Asking at Help:Ask a wiki question might yield a better result - sorry :/. -- pling User Pling sig.png 18:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Those lists were manually constructed. I know, I did them. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, the Lists of Unique Items by profession are all sortable by replicatability, so I'm not sure that a separate list of non-replicable unique items is really that necessary. Example-- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I did make a new gallery of them though Gallery of unreplicable unique items -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * @Wyn, I do think that for the sake of consistency, that list should be included, and I don't think it matters that the others are listed by replicablity. Such a list could be very useful if arranged by profession, as the very fact that they are unreplicable may make them of interest for players looking for combinations that are normally impossible.  If it's ok with you, I'll arrange them in a table via Word or something and send it to you somehow (so all the information will be there for you), but I'm afraid that actually coding it in wiki would be beyond me at this point.  Does that sound good?  Ailina 19:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can feel free to create the lists for the wiki if you feel that strongly about it. I however, stand by my statement that I don't feel they are necessary, so if you want to wikicode them, go for it, doing them in word and sending them to me is not going to get you lists on GWW. Sorry. The best/easiest way to learn how to wiki code is to do it. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll do my best. Thanks!  :)  Ailina 20:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)