Talk:Game updates/20080513

Update is?
OMG mass panic, no one knows what the update is. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  03:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It was only 10kb and 1 file so it might be only a text fix...Dominator Matrix  03:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Probly something small like that, ya. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  03:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol Blessed Signet typo =P 65.34.193.183 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see...Dominator Matrix  03:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, easy. Halogod35 03:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * NERFED BEAR!!!! joking joking... that small... I agree, probably bug or text fix SabreWolf 03:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lmao, I wouldn't care more or less. Halogod35 03:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No no no, i said that as a joke. In response to the text update comment. 65.34.193.183 03:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Very likely not blessed sig update - notice the "lol" in my comment ;) 65.34.193.183 04:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Notice the unconfirmed...Dominator Matrix  04:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Notice the... notice? o_O 24.0.66.172 04:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed Henchmen? Err...kay...why? =/ --Srakin 04:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed. Eve, Devona, and Aidan have been removed from the CTC with this update.





~   J.Kougar  04:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Didn't this happen once before? 24.0.66.172 04:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Multiple times, if I'm not mistaken. Wonder why it always targets the NPC's in the Central Transfer Chamber..... --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  04:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * one more update: Devona and eve are back, but no Aidan. I'll get a screenshot up. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  04:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry the pic size is large, I don't know how to resize it. I'm an idiot.... --  Wandering Traveler  04:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There Dominator Matrix  04:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They are not in the International Districts. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]] Sabastian  04:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eve just popped in International.~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]] Sabastian  04:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So its a build correction, someone must have done something on the dev server...Dominator Matrix  04:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ... or not now as she is once again gone ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]] Sabastian  04:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * She is back yet again.... this is getting tiresome. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]<font color="#2783FF">  Sabastian  04:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anet what have you done now...anyone want to check other places? (oh and how in euro/other disiricts?)<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  04:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just checked Euro English, all three are missing. <tt> Atra Astrum (talk) </tt> [[Image:User AtraAstrum sigpic.png]] 04:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I jumped around the different outposts, it seems that the CTC is only affected. All 3 are missing from the European and Aisan districts as well. --  Wandering Traveler  04:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I wonder if anets aware of this...<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  04:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * well at least its the unimportant ones that i never use... SabreWolf 04:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Eve is currently in both International and American but I don't know how long it'll last... It'd probablly be a good idea to wait a bit before we further update the wiki to avoid an endless process until Arena Net fixes it or the henchmen decide if they want to stay or go. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]<font color="#2783FF"> Sabastian  04:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And Aidan just reappeared. <tt> Atra Astrum (talk) </tt> [[Image:User AtraAstrum sigpic.png]] 04:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Except in International Districts. ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]<font color="#2783FF"> Sabastian  05:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently, I am the only one in International and after a bit Eve will arrive and stay. When I leave and then come back she is gone again. I feel so loved... ~ [[Image:UserSabastian sig.gif|User:Sabastian]]<font color="#2783FF"> Sabastian  05:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, isn't that what usually happends? It looks like if a zone has been empty for some time, the server "unloads" it, so the zone has to be created again when a user joins to it. Because of that, it has to follow all the loading process, which may be slower than your own loading time. I have seen it (the "npcs not loading until after some time" in Henge of Denravi in american territory, and LA in korean territory at least, and both times there was no patch close.--Fighterdoken 05:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The NPC banishment happened for me for a long time before this update. Specially eve. She was disappearing a lot of times in the Spanish district. Maybe they tried to fix that bug and made it worse. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 07:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried a lot of areas but only the American server has all the henchman. Wonder whats up? 118.92.121.119 08:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * An update that made a bug even worse rather than fixing it? Well, sh!t happens :P &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 10:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If there has been an update, why is this page going to be deleted? Why not just come out witht he facts? --Burning Freebies 16:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop the puzzeling
Go somewhere, where they have these henchmen. Invite them. Then go to a district where they are missing and they will pop up for all other players, too. They look in the wrong directions and have no weapons, but after some seconds, they get their weapons and look at Mhenlo. Easy, huh? --numma_cway 10:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * the problem seems to be in the creation of instances. This is not the first case of instances messed up. Haven't you ever seen an NPC with a name of another in explorable? Like monsters with names of animals, for example? Probably, when you pick a henchman elsewere and bring him there, the area is checked again, and if the model was not loaded, it's loaded then. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 10:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If a new district is created, those three henchmen are not there (try it with Chinese or Korean districts). I've seen some monsters with pet names, but I haven't seen this happen to any other NPCs yet. --numma_cway 11:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen 1 of those Kurzick Priest near the rez shrine named White Tiger once -- M age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]] M ontu 12:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

CTC bug
This is not new, has been there since the beginning. Whenever there is an updated, the henchman population in the CTC bewcomes unstable.(..)

Removing from notes, but it should be noted on the relevant page. Backsword 13:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is the relevant page? And if this is indeed the case, it's an ongoing problem, should we maybe delete this page? - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 13:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete it? How will that get ArenaNet to actually fix the issue?  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  14:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not the point of the update pages, unfortunately. Anet will be Anet, letting shoddy coding onto public servers no matter how many people notice. - Auron 14:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but deleting a problem away so that folks don't ever see it, will only cause this same thing to happen again on later undocumented updates where someone else notices this same problem being worse for a while... and it also won't draw enough attention to get people to be aware of the problem and possibly even get them to fix it. If the problem is left there forever, and never addressed, but people also try to delete and hide any mention of it, then it's only going to cause more problems later.  If it's a bug they'll never fix, then it is one people need to be aware of.  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The bug would belong on the Central Transfer Chamber article, just as any and all ongoing bugs. That would get it categorised as well. The bug isn't specific to this certain update. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|Pling! \]] Brains12 15:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, and if that's the case then it needs to be moved there and not just ignored and deleted. Right?  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It might, just might, help if both of you read the CTC page. Backsword 15:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is already a notice on that page, under the Notes section. (meh, too slow) --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|Pling! \]] Brains12 15:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but is that tiny little notice with no discussion on the talk page, really enough? Hardly seems to have done the job so far, and aparently hasn't gotten enough attention drawn to it.  If this was moved to the Talk Page of that article, and a link was dropped on Regina's page or where ever a bug report might get the most notice, then I think ArenaNet might just have a little more to go on than that little note that doesn't really explain things as well as all the discussion on this page has.  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what I meant was to delete the update page, not this talk page. The update page is just pointless and destroys lists, while providing no info at all. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 15:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see that, it has a lot more info about the disapearing and reappearing of the henchmen and where and when it happens, than just a simple little line of text that is currenty on the article. [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree though, that the only thing that should really be in the update page is the information about yet another undocumented update. [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You could update the bug notice if you want with more detail - you have to keep in mind, though, that the majority of people who view the wiki for information don't go into the talk pages, hence the existence of the article. You could also thumbnail your images, cropping out the extra UI elements if necessary, and put them on the CTC page to explain further. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|Pling! \]] Brains12 15:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not just move this to the talk page, and update the main article page bug notice to include "see talk page for details" or something similar? [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The relevant bug report page can be found on ArenaNet:Portal. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|Pling! \]] Brains12 15:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The right page in order to bring it to Anet's attention would be User:Mike Zadorojny/Guild Wars Miscellaneous Bugs. Backsword 15:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, then move this mess there? [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  15:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Leave the developer's bug report pages as clean as possible, without the mess. A summary of the issue, by those who know the issue best, would be better than hearsay and paragraphs of text so it can be understood and resolved quicker. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|Pling! \]] Brains12 15:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest to leave this page up as it was an official update, though it wasn't a... "real" update, I guess. But one nonetheless. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 17:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you guys know, I have been aware of this bug for some time but have not been able to pinpoint the cause of it. It's a really bizarre and erratic bug which has me pretty stumped. It appears that the henchmen are attempting to spawn in unpathable area, but they aren't spawned super close to the pathing ribbon or anything. It's certainly not any different than hundreds of other cases all across the game and yet this is the only time I've seen or heard of this happening. And as far as I've seen it's happening mostly in Euro districts too. Anyway, I should be getting some time soon to take another look at this. I'm thinking that the only solution will be to move the henchmen to a different location in the outpost. I'll try to get this into a build soon. - Linsey talk 19:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

added spawns
Just me or have there been added Frozen Elementals in Bjora Marches? because i have been doing Blood washes blood since Sunday orso to start Blood Washes Blood and haven't seen them since this update.<font color="Orange">Fox007  19:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bjora Marches and Blood washes Blood are different spawns. Backsword 20:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To get Blood Washes Bloob i had to go through Bjora savvi ^^ <font color="Orange">Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 20:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In HM the Frozen Elementals have random spawns around there (I see them all the time when I'm glacial stone farming) Jaxgreystar 23:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No changes have been made to that explorable in 2008. - [[Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpg]]Linsey talk 19:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

And the fixed exploit is ....
I don't see anywhere in this page what is the purpose of this update, just endless and useless chat. - NeHoMaR  19:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The exploit fix is noted on the offical website... so thats the source... as to what exploit is was, not sure. SabreWolf 20:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was increadibly anticlimactic. Yesterday this update appears on the wiki, saying the actual update information will appear soon. Finally, a day later, we get... a line of text. Whoot! ^_^ Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

what happend to mondays update?
its not documented in the other update section.75.165.97.72 21:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is monday's update, just that because of timezone is set as tuesday instead.--Fighterdoken 21:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * that makes no since seeing that 90% of anet is in my time zone ie in Seattle wa.75.165.97.72 21:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol
Epic patch description. -- Hawk Skeer  (Talk) 22:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL ROFL XD Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 23:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The Exploit...
For those of you who don't know, apparently cannot be discussed... Axel Zinfandel 04:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow.....Just wow. I'm somewhat suprised if this exploit was this serious. Though....Perhaps its the late hour, but I'm not comprehending why this can't be explained. if it was patched and the appropriate accounts banned, the chances of replicating the exploit through a simple explanation would be astronomical....hm. Oh well. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  05:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be them doing something to do with the recent complaints of accounts getting hacked there have been a few people on wiki saying they got hacked, might be soemthing to do with that?--[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 09:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Might just be genuinely embarrassing. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 23:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could be lol --[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 06:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * or it could be that we all got "exploited" by it.75.165.114.4 06:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Like the "hot coffee"-kind? I know there's a certain henchlady i'd like to "exploit". >:) &rarr; BROWNSPANK  09:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol @ that comment--[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 00:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * wow you guys are childish.75.165.114.4 03:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aww, you're so sweet! Thanks, anonymous guy! :P &rarr; BROWNSPANK  06:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indent reset... you know, they could be not discussing it simply to make it harder for people to try and do it again. -- Ari [[Image:User_Ari_sig.jpg]]  (talk) 09:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if it was fixed, then why should it matter if people try to do it? It wouldn't do anything. Of course though, maybe they didn't fix it and just banned the people who knew about it so that ArenaNet still has the power ingame to make items or something like that. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  16:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because in the case of high-impact exploits, would you really want to risk being wrong about having fixed it? Or there being some related bug that still isn't fixed? I can understand their secretiveness here. It's not as if we actually need to know. -- Ari [[Image:User_Ari_sig.jpg]]  (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW guys
If anyone's reading this, the exploit in question is noted here. – NuclearDuckie 08:57, 16 October 2010 (UTC)