Talk:Vanquisher/Archive2

Jaga Moraine
Changed MIN count to 260 because I just vanquished it at that. Got a screenshot to prove it if you dont believe me. :) -- RavenJWolfe 05:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Bad reasoning, others might have had less mobs. You are not the measure for the minimum if you had more. --Longasc 21:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be this edit. He did that because at that time, the min was 263. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My bad. Seems to be my fate to understand everything wrong recently. :/ --Longasc 09:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

award doesnt scale with party size?
The exp award isn't divided amongst the party members but instead is the same lump sum assigned to each party member each time regardless of party size? In other words if all you wanted was the bonus exp and gold it wouldnt matter if you were solo or a party of 8?Morbid Mordecai 10:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 17:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Ascalon Foothills Vs. Griffon's Mouth
In the article on Ascalon Foothill, it says that it is a good place to start vanquishing, however to get to Ascalon Foothill from either direction is tough if you're playing with NPC's. I suggest starting at Griffon's mouth, it is easy to get to from Gates of Kryta.--Worldly Tutor 05:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I agree that Griffon's Mouth is easier, both to vanquish and to get to, but Foothills is the next best place...I'll add a note to the Griffon's Mouth page about vanquishing, but I see no reason to remove the note on Foothills. --Srakin 20:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Max / "average" monster count per campaign?
I have not tried to add them all up yet but dont you think it would be a good idea to add the areas up and give a rough estimate of the total "kill count" of each chapter? i for one am curious to how many mobs/monsters i have killed while out vanquishing :D T1Cybernetic 12:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the old wiki, medians are 9935, 5710, 8409 and 4706 for the 4 games respectively. The medians per area are 184, 173, 247, and 313. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 15:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Such a stat is likely only "interesting" for a couple of seconds for a small number of players. But feel free to add the numbers and add it to the bottom of each table. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 23:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Jahai Bluffs
I vanquished this area last week. My first run through I triggered every Mandragor popu and got about 309(similar to the 310 max in table). My second time through I only triggered one mandragor popup and got 261. The one popup could have been avoided, but I cannot remember if there were 3 or 4 mandragors - so I changed the minimum count to 261 for Jahai (from 265), but it can still be fewer (257 or 258).Mohnzh 18:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Morostav Trail
Just finished this one. Got it with 482, but right before I finished I triggered an easily avoidable 4-man pop-up. I know I hit a few others, so I am certain that the minimum is still smaller, but I won't put up smaller than 478 without someone else confirming. Mohnzh 02:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You sure you had that many mobs in there? I just vanquished it, 290 mobs killed. Better check it was that area and that monster count..Azania 17:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe...yeah. I meant 282. At least I put it in correctly on the table, even if not here. Mohnzh   say   what?  20:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect Kill Counter in Faction City area's
I noted while vanquishing in the city area's in Factions the kill counter is incorrect all the time. The bar at the start after killing some groups seems to be halfway with only 16 enemies as an example, as you further explore the bar changed to include other groups that appeared on the radar. I tried to get the bar full with only killing those that came in reach of the radar. This does not work at all. (had to look for new enemies to kill to complete the vanquish).. I think this should be noted on the page. Confirmed area's so far from me; Nahpui Quarter, Shadow's Passage, Tahnnakai Temple, Wajjun Bazaar, Bukdek Byway. I have no doubt this is also the case for the other area's as the it is also stated on Raisu Palace page under the notes. Azania 14:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pop-ups are not initially counted in the kill bar, but are added dynamically instead. Perhaps this is what is causing the problem. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 20:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But they are not pop-ups at all. Like I said you need to get them all regards whether the bar is full. I do think the monsters are all seen as pop-ups and therefor causing the kill counter to act so weird. I will edit to the page later on. Azania 21:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. You said "they are not pop-ups", and then you said "I do think the monsters are all seen as pop-ups"... so are you agreeing with Alaris or not? Also, what exactly do you plan on adding to the page? To my knowledge, the popups appear outside your compass range. And the reason why you can't just kill those in your radar is because not all the creatures in those areas are popups. So of course you still need to hunt down those that are already there. And as you move, more popup groups appear, causing the total count to increase and your bar to drop. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The monsters them selves, they are just there walking around and not pop-uping u when you see them. However for the kill counter they are only added to the kill counter when you get in radar range, as if they are pop-ups. So I think the kill counter sees them as pop-ups for when you get radar range while they are not. So yes I do agree with Alaris. The only thing I am planning on adding (which I am doing after this comment) is make a small note in the notes that the kill counter is incorrect showing the bar and that you still need all of the monsters. Just like I said, just getting the bar full will not work.Azania 13:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that the areas where there are lots of pop-ups (including those that pop outside of radar range, so they don't look like pop-ups) normally include a few non-pop-ups near the ends of maps. That way, you can't actually fill the bar without going to every map end, even though you might get pretty close to filling it. This forces you to go all over the map, and to trigger the pop-ups on the way. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 15:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But as said, having NF fully vanquished and now almost factions as well I have only seen this with the city area's of Factions, and not in proph either. However i have only vanquished very little of proph so far.. Has this been the case anywhere beyond the city areas of factions as well? Azania 02:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's specific to Factions, especially the Kaineng City areas due to a lot of mobs that tend to be initially hidden and triggered only as you reach a certain point in the map (but not yet in radar range). Maybe it's just a quirk of the system? In that they popped-up (tied to the area), but your radar (and hence, your vanquisher total) has not registered that fact yet since it hasn't encountered the extras yet. This could be due to programming in that the total creature count is queried as you first enter an instance. Then, as you encounter new groups that were initially not included in the total, they get added dynamically to your total. In order words, it's possible that the "act" of popping-up does not add to the total, it's the "act" of showing up in your radar that triggers the vanquisher bar update. I'm just guessing though. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've noticed this mostly in Prophecies, but then again, I've started in Factions, then NF, then Prophecies, so I'm more observant of such details now. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Lahtenda Bog
The minimum is wrong, Nature` 21:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9895/gw018gt4.jpg
 * I editted it btw ^^ Nature` 21:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * nice drop too XD &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.85.230.85 (talk &bull; contribs) at 04:05, February 5, 2009 (UTC).

Arborstone
Just vanquished this area. Only required 264 kills, this is below the minimum in the table. I had the quest "Song and Stone" active --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:92.22.178.173 (talk).
 * Ok, thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did it with 245 kills. I only had "Charting the Forest" and "Song and Stone" active and I avoided to trigger some of the stone singers (the group of 3 and one or two others). --CC 08:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Unwaking Waters?
I have tried and faild to kill the last few inaccesable Outcasts in this area a couple of times both times there were 2 or 3 that keept fleaing and healing dispite having a longbow and ele air spiker. On the second attempt I took a shadow step which also failed. Would consume corpse work ~ can anyone who vanquished this area give any advice? and as a side note there seems to be some explorable mist that i cant reach on this area will this stop me ataining cartographer. 194.176.105.38 12:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember vaguely the mob you're talking about, but I don't remember what I did to get them. Certainly, I didn't use shadow walk or consume corpse. I do usually carry a MM, so he might have cast minions to aggro them. Or I found another way in. Good luck. As for explorable mist, you don't need 100%. You can actually explore more than 100% in every map, like 102%, so you can leave some bits unexplored. I do hope you mapped the Shing Jea Boardwalk this weekend, if not, do it now (I think it's still open). -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply ill have another bash at killing them, maybe it would be worth adding a note about this as an all melee team (not that you would take one) would never be able to kill them. im 98.5% cartographer i have broadwalk area and also did the Bai Pasu Reach (or however u spell it) portal cheat for the extra 0.5% so should be fine :D 194.176.105.37 15:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Eastern Frontier and The Last Day Dawns
I was on Ventrilo with someone while he was vanquishing Eastern Frontier, and while the quest The Last Day Dawns was active he killed over 260 enemies before he party-wiped and was sent back to outpost. The table currently lists 216 as max with a note that there are more while this quest is active. Doesn't max count typically refer to max possible at any time rather than max without any quest active? If I'm mistaken, then I guess it's okay to leave (although I'm pretty certain that the format of most of the table is different and more useful). If I'm correct about what max count should refer to, does anyone have a more correct number for that area while The Last Day Dawns is active? Thanks. Mohnzh  say   what?  15:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, when I added the table, I thought only of using the "natural" min-max values; that is, the numbers without any quests, and then just listing the quests that affect that number (but without counting it). But, as it turns out, most anon edits tended towards numbers that included quest spawns. As such, the table is now possibly slightly inaccurate, depending on who edited where. digging through the history might help, but I can't be bothered :P If you're pretty sure it hit 260 enemies at least, go ahead and put 260 there with an appropriate summary log. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 07:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Reward gold
When i vanquished Jarin yesterday, i foudn out that i got a gold reward for vanquishing. This isnt mentioned on the wiki. I would add it, but im afraid i would screw up the amazing graph and i havent vanquished anywhere but Jarin. I know the gold reward amounted to 1060 gold. There was an equal amount of exp reward. Can someone add it please?--Burning Freebies 08:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's there, under Plains of Jarin. The expected gold is 1050, so you must have killed a few more monsters (or tamable pets) than on average. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The rewards for vanquishing an area is mentioned in the second paragraph of the "Acquisition" section. The tables show the average gold obtained for each area. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 16:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The Mirror of Lyss
The max number for The Mirror of Lyss is inaccurate. I and my wife vanquished it last night, our kill count was 249. We did hit up the "Do Not Touch" but that only yeilded 3 Ruby Djinns. We collected 1,245 experience and Gold. I have a screeny if you want it. KJZ 15:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and edit it. We believe you. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 16:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. KJZ 23:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Tips
Whats everyones tactics for vanquishing? As looking at the map for a begginner is tough, especially with patrols and all. My tactic is firstly having a look on wiki at the explorable area - incase they have large patrols or something, secondly i have a look at the map itself and try to section it - much easier i haven't had to go back and find the last kill using this method yet and 29 successful vanquishes using it. Ok, they may seem obvious them things, however some people may not have thought about doing that. Lt Death 17:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Those aren't really tactics. That's called "looking around for tips" :) I only do that for the later areas. The earlier areas are simple enough (and familiar enough) that I already sort of know what's where. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks anyway, just an idea and i suppose it isn't actually facts which is what the Wiki is after. -Lt Death 15:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can try to add some of them to the "Tips" section. Or, you can do something like this in your own userspace. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Rep Points for Areas Vanquished
Anyone know the rep point totals we can expect for vanquishing the EOTN areas? Tahl 03:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5 times the number of monsters you kill, also see the updates page. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 11:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Added the total Lightbringer and Sunspear points earned by vanquishing Elona Asta
 * We should expand the tables to include he amount of faction/reputation one can expect by vanquishing an area. I'd do it, but I don't really care.  Kirenne Starfire &#91;Kw&#93; 16:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Already proposed that on the actual templates talk page myself and am in the midst of doing it in my sandbox. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 22:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And while we're at it, since you get equal Gold and XP for vanquishing a particular zone, could we merge those columns? Kirenne Starfire &#91;Kw&#93; 21:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, merge them. They were separate because they used to be x3 and x5. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 19:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Factions, SS, LB and EoTN points
Can anyone place average amount of points gained in vanquishing certain areas, please? --Jagtiger 13:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the notes. It's really just either x5 or x50.... arh... I'll go work on the template then. This is like the third time I noticed someone either trying to add it in or mentioning it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wohkay, it's done :D How is it? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice. It'll come in handy. Lt Death 23:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice that will come in handy, i have just started vanquishing on my warrior so thank you... T1Cybernetic 23:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)