Talk:Norn rank

With 25 kills i've gotten random bonuses like 20 points towards the title and a 45 second buff which gave me double norn title points for each kill. At 35 Kills I reached level 2 hunitng party which gets the 1 point + 2 additional points for each kill, so basically, 3 points per kill. I dont know if you get 6 while under the buff as it had run out by then. The buff lasts for 45 seconds and recharges everytime you score a kill. Dancing Gnome 15:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The buff is applied before the +2 points, so under the Buff at level 2 hunting party you get 4 points per kill. Hunting party can also increase beyond level 2, not sure how far though. -- pullus  [[Image:User_Pullus_Sig.png|Sig]] talk 17:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hunting party can get up to lvl 4. which is +4points per kill. so 5 points in total. --Lou-Saydus[[image:User Lou-Saydus Hail Storm.jpg|19px]] 16:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

"Best" ways to get the points ?
Any suggestions on faster ways, locations, and tactics of them as to where it would be possible with not 2 much effort get to rank 5-6? Seems like Some quests can be repeated and rewards for them remain, so doing Curse of Nornbear 256 times ? Biz 20:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I haven't gotten very high up in the title yet but I have found a spot not to bad for gaining the rep points, it takes 1 hour and 30 minutes and in two attempts I have received about 4,000 points and a bit over 4,500 points. From Sifhilla walk out towards Drakkar Lake, take the blessing and go out and kill everything. my suggestion is to gain atleast 50 kills before seeing your second norn at a res shrine. There is just over 350 creatures to kill if you make everything pop up.--Fusional 02:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Varajar Fells can be an excellent spot to raise it; exit from Olafstead, sweep back and forth and kill everything. Once you hit rank 4 hunting party and get a rampage bonus, the enemy groups are close enough together that you can keep it maintained and really rack up the points by the end. The first time I cleared out the area, I got ~5k points. Didn't keep track of the time, though. -- Mafaraxas  20:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Arnt them bonuses random ? =/ Biz 06:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but they're happening often enough that chances are good that you'll get a nice combination before long, especially when you "max out" the increasing bonuses (hunting party rank, points, etc) with another 200-300 enemies to kill. If you prefer, you can just farm the boring Nornbear quest over and over.  Either way. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  07:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Boring or not, its very constant. Biz 14:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I have not tried this...because I just thought of it, and I already completed this mission... but if you have the mission The Path to Revelations, could you not, after finishing it (not turning it in), either a) zone, or b) return to tarnished haven, abandon, the repeat? --68.104.205.160 00:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are repeatable quests and there are normal quests, first gives rewards after you do /repeated them and other gives rewards only when you finish them and never again. Biz 09:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't complete/finish a quest, how are you planning on getting the reward? The best way is to do what was already suggested. Sweeping Varajar Fells is the best. Drakkar Lake if you'd rather not bother so much about accidental aggros. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 10:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * this quest adds 6 bosses to varajar fallls...so you dont accept reward, you just kill 6 bosses at rank 4 hunter, that is 1800 points right there...or 3600 if you happen to have rampage bonusKiller Revan 19:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Heart of the Norn
Displaying the title enables an effect called Heart of the Norn for you and your heroes. Heart of the Norn increases your maximum health in Norn territory. A Slayer of Giants (4) gains +70 maximum health. ~Wayward

I have been unable to get Heart of the Norn to enable even with rank 2 in the title and while in Norn territory. The rest of my party has not been having this issue, so I'm assuming it's a bug that hasn't been fixed yet if anyone else is having a similar issue. --Rururrur 16:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A guildmate of mine showed this issue, eventualy we found out he needed to talk to the story teller in Gunnar's Hold. He is located in the raised section of the town near M. Bison.. Oh and At Rank 3 "Slayer of Nightmares" the benefit is +63 maximum health. --Fusional 17:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Has anyone tested if they can get Heart of the Norn from the storyteller at rank 1 or 2? -- Gordon Ecker 00:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I just did, it's +60 hp. -- [[Image:User_losershawn_sig.jpg|shawn]] (shawn - talk) 01:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rank 1 or Rank 2? -- Gordon Ecker 01:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

It Appears to be +3 health per rank, I went up to 73 health on gaining R5 Kicks66
 * Oddly, it seems to alternate between +3 and +7. Backsword 10:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems to be based on a progression, which implies that the title maxes out at rank 10. -- Gordon Ecker 10:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I came to the same conclusion as you, Gordon, after some tests with Dwarven Stability and Signet of Illusions. The max rank seems to be 10 for each EotN group and the green numbers are showing level 1...8...10, just like the sunspear skills. Chriskang 12:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Weapons
Could someone provide crafting info for Keti? -- Gordon Ecker 04:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Kinda busy right now, but he basically makes Norn weapons for basic crafing materials and 5k ea. Biz 09:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing they're inscribable with non-standard skins. -- Gordon Ecker 09:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Those skins provided in the crafting window are not really appealing either in my humble opinion. They look so ... basic. --85.16.13.226 09:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Weapon Trader skins alway sucked? 86.147.135.110 11:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Katanas from Honglei Sun don't suck. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]] Mafaraxas  04:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

As far as actual info; everything requires iron and wood (20 or 40 of each), and 5k like Biz said. The skins are indeed unique, each being named "Norn (axe/sword/shield/etc)" and keep with the nordic theme. The axe and shield are nice depending on what your warrior/paragon armor is, and your taste. Some casters may like the staves, although the icon for the wands and foci looked pretty boring, honestly. I bought and took pics (with dye options) of the sword, scythe, shield, and staff, and I'll upload them when I'm bored/not busy, unless someone else beats/has beaten me to it. -- Mafaraxas  07:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Rank up while dead
During the trial I was clearing an area and i died, before my hench could ressurect me they they reached on of the 25 kill amrks and got a hunting party rank up. this hunting party rank up didnt affect me presumable because i was dead, does this happen with any bonus you can get?

Norn pts not correct
Since GWEN has went live the information on how many pts is awarded for a certain amount of kills is incorrect. This morning for pts earned per kill I was receiving less then what has been stated in the write up. At 80 kills I received 40 pts and at 115 kills I received only 60. I'm also rank 5 in the norn title track. Okay I went through the lake area slaying as I went and this is what I came up with

80 Kills - 40 pts 115 Kills - 60 pts 130 Kills - 60 pts 178 Kills - 100 pts 191 Kills - 100 pts 204 Kills - 100 pts

Now could this be related to title track rank and has anyone else noticed the difference in pts ?

Stalking Feathers 14:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've come up with basically the same results you have, at norn rank 5 (although I doubt rank has anything to do with it; ANet likely just nerfed the bonus points in general). --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]] Mafaraxas  19:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to double check things I've ran this again with the results of the random bonus actually going down for norn reputation points. 250 kills received 110, then 120 at 275 & 300 Kills, but at 325 Kills only received 110 reputation pts. The bonus given for a high number of kills is probably a random number between 100 & 120 can anyone else confirm or dis-prove this ?70.141.4.111 15:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nornbear farming doesn't work anymore!
I've now run it three times to confirm - Repeating Curse of the Nornbear doesn't seem to give 500 points anymore. The points aren't mentioned in the quest dialogue anymore, either. However, I did recieve 100 Norn points every time I finished it. I assume they nerfed it. If anyone can confirm, I suggest we remove the note. Arcthemonkey 22:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Aye, I'd tried repeating the "Against the Charr" mission for fast Vanguard points, with the same results. It's just better points to vanquish an area now (after the quests are done, of course).  Anyway, I'll remove the note. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  01:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

You only get 100 points now, but still 5k experience, norn points were not mentioned in quest logs before either. Biz 11:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Boss bonuses
Off the bat: I'm operating under the assumption that Norn, Vanguard, and Asura title tracks all work the same way (outside of the different bonuses). At rank 4 Vanguard, I killed a Charr boss while under the rampage bonus; i went from 26,350 points to 26,960 points. 960-350 = 610. Dividing by two (because of the bonus) yields 305. Assume the extra 5 points are for all kills, and you get +300 bonus points for a boss kill while at rank 4 hunting party. I'm sure it scales up based on rank, but don't have the numbers for those. Only reason I'm putting my info for Vanguard points here is because pretty much all the discussion is here. -- Mafaraxas  00:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Re rank 10
This is getting ridiculous; anyone that's been watching the history will know what I mean. Is there any way we can get an admin to protect the article or something? Reverting all these people who think their guesses at rank 10 are clever is one of the bigger wastes of time here. -- Mafaraxas  15:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Asura, Norn and Vanguard Blessings in Dungeons
Why aren't the blessings for the three factions in their relevent dungeons? Why do we only get Dwarf Blessings? I understand that the dwarves are supposed to be the dungeon people and they don't have a land of their own, but it is PAINFULLY boring to clear Drakkar Lake OVER AND OVER AND OVER trying to farm Norn faction points. We have this great dungeon system which is challenging and offers new fun content which is fun to play over and over - with good variety, different strategies and an incentive to complete it - Boss and Dungeon Chest. Instead of making use of this already fantastic feature which you got so right, we instead have to run in circles around maps we've explored 100 times already killing things with no purpose other than to get faction points. This would have been ok if there had been repeatable quests with worthwhile rewards comparable to the challenges of dungeon quests with the difference of it being performed in an explorable area instead of a dungeon. I naturally reached rank 5 with the dwarves playing through the game as I completed as many dungeons as I could, enjoying it each time. I barely reach rank 3 with the other factions even if I fully explored each map on my way through because they get left out of the 18 dungeons, instead they get what? 5 explorable areas to vanquish over and over? Could some of the dungeons be switched to reward appropriate factions instead? Maybe both blessings can be gained? Something else other than vanquishing over and over would make faction grinding less of a grind and more fun - the challenge shouldnt be sitting through the boredom. Dancing Gnome 10:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded. On another note, I wish there was a page and discussion page that wasn't specifically the Norn rank page, since alot of the stuff here is general stuff related to ranks in general, but only went on Norn because the Norn showed up first in the preview event. Anyways... --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  17:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Clear Varajar Fells instead :P hehe, yea, it's damned boring, especially when you're still not getting any greens from killing those bosses multiple times. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 10:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What about Bounties in missions? Dancing Gnome 18:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are no bounties in the 'missions', though there are some during quests. It's hardest with Vanguard faction, IMHO.  Only Three maps, awkward enemy placement and enemies that rez (or self rez, in the case of Mantids); and they don't count for bounties on the second rez.  No minigame to break the tedium, either. Anet needs to give us something to sweeten the deal, because this is brutal and unpleasant overall.  Craw 17:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Clearing out Sacnoth Valley is the best Vanguard point farm at the moment, imo. I do agree Vanguard are really lacking a minigame or repeatable something or other, though. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  19:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know of no one who farms Norn or Asura points by playing the tournament or polymock who would go and play those mini-games once in a while. Those rewards from those mini-games are just not worth it, not when I also get drops. So I would say that having no mini-games is not really the problem. The problem is more the relative difficulty of farming for Vanguard points. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 16:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Relative difficulty? Farming Sacnoth Valley with a Siege Devourer is faster and easier than any of the Asura farming zones including Riven Earth. -- Gordon Ecker 23:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The mob placement & general flow of the area is much worse for Vanguard. With other maps, you can work your way up to hunt rank 5, and sustain a rampage for a total of 10 points a kill.  Crawling around in a siege devourer means the enemies are relatively easy, but the distance between many enemy groups, terrain and general mob size means you're going to lose that Rampage before too long, so you have to work through it at 5 points a kill.  Add the fact that for Vanguard, many enemies rez or self-rez (re:Mantid), but don't count for points on the second kill, and that Vanguard can only obtain a total 6000 faction in dungeon completion (Norn: 10000, Asura: 7500, Dwarf: 8000).  Vanguard do not have a smooth journey, even with the easy-mode siege devourers. Craw 15:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, Sacnoth Valley is the (fastest) way to go for farming - just forget about the Mantids in the other areas altogether. If you plan ahead of time going into Sacnoth, you can maintain a rank 4 + rampage fairly easily, too.  On another note, I've only ever bothered with a siege devourer once, since if you're going as a caster with henches and heroes, charging from casting to melee range confuses the shit out of their AI and wastes time.  Not to mention it's a bit bulky/slow.  Anyways... --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  16:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree. I'm not just blowing hot air & talking about stuff I have no experience in - I got Monument armor on my mez, and made some good progress on my Assassin.  Sacnoth is the way to go.  Overall, though, the point I'm trying to support is that Vanguard faction is a total pain to get.  More so than with the other factions.  The best place to get faction in is Sacnoth, and it's not all that easy there, compared to the Lake/Fells for Norn and Mage Stones for Asura.  Vanguard get half the number of explorable areas to work with compared to other factions, half the dungeon bonuses, they have to deal with Charr through the entire thing - it's just more difficult overall. Craw 17:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Getting to Rank 9 (or 10)
Ok, so it seems that (as this wiki says) we can't get any more points after we reach R8 on Easy Mode... but what exactly does that means? The Bounty guys won't give us the bounty? or does that mean we simply can't go further (over 80k)? If it's the former, then what about Hero's Handbook/Master Dungeon Manual? We could possibly deliver the mission book about 12 times (12x2.5=30k) ... can any r8 comprove it? (I'm still rank 7 on both dwarven and norn, so i can't test it ...yet)200.153.140.159 06:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I've not tested it myself, but I've heard you can't turn in a book once you hit R8. I'm R8 in two titles but don't have a full book. Omnidragon42 17:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

On my last outing when I hit rank 8 you could still rack up pts for killing creatures in the area but any NPC at a shrine would no longer talk to you. You'll get the mssg in-order to improve your reputation you must kill in HM. So I'm sitting at 81,450 pts Stalking Feathers 21:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In other words, just like sunspear and lightbringer ranks before HM in Nightfall. Now someone needs to find an infinite respawn point to exploit... just kidding. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  23:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I am at 83,145 rep points with the dwarf. I cannot find any way to earn more. Not even with quests/dungeons, hero or dungeon books. Vezz 01:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hard Mode ... once it's implemented ... -- Gordon Ecker 03:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Imagine Ice cream dungeon in HM =D! Biz 05:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

160k in another GW:EN title90.240.114.176 21:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

If you complete a dungeon in Normal Mode for the first time but are over R8 in the reputation the reward gives, do you still get the bonus? Best by example, say you have 85,000 Norn points but complete Slavers Exile in Normal Mode for the first time, do you go up to 90,000? or remain at 85,000? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:98.195.20.238 (talk).

Point Cutoffs
So, you can't get points past level 8. Is this for everything, or just the resurrection shrine people? What about books and the tournament? Can you still enter the tournament after level 8? While not Norn specifically, does this also apply to the Deldrimor track (ie for getting Zho's journal) or the Polymock games? - Lord Ehzed 20:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The books can't be turned in, but I'm not sure about the tournament. I haven't heard anything one way or the other on that.  --Valshia 20:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Maxed ranked : information
I just maxed norn rank (rank 10) slayer of all. I can confirm that it is the max rank and that the hp it gives are +100. - Arkard
 * Awesome name. So bluntly put. "Slayer of All!! Mwuhahaha". --128.195.73.176 07:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the point gaining stop at rank 10, or can you get more than 160.000 points? Nicky Silverstar 11:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can get more than 160k, just like Sunspear & Lightbringer, but there's no benefit in doing so of course. Chriskang 12:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok man, thanks for the information.Nicky Silverstar 17:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Slayer of Champions
The name is so askward... I don't think some PvE guy can just kill pro GvG people. Lightblade 03:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's meant to refer to the Champion title. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would be funny to find a screenshot with both Slayer of Champion and Champion in one screen, and have the Champion goes 0.o Lightblade 04:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no slayer of gladiator. Gladiator is l33t.  Lightblade 01:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

"Rank Discrimination"
Is the section under "Rank discrimination" really necessary? I don't think it actually adds important information to the article, rather it seems too trivial to point out the pre-Ursan Blessing change. I won't exactly change it (because there may have been some sort of consensus I have not seen), but it does give the negative impression (at least to me it does).--Jupiter Star Warrior 03:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * DominatorMatrix has removed it. Personally, I feel that it's a valid piece information. There are trivia notes that explain things before or after certain updates, and I just think that this is no different. It paints a picture of what it was like. I'd rather shorten/summarise it into a note or trivia than just remove it entirely. While negative, it certainly is a significant enough issue. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 16:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a bad argument, and I concur it would be a great to put on a Trivia, but the way it was in the first place did seem kind of negative, which is what I wanted to point out.--Jupiter Star Warrior [[Image:User JupiterStarWarrior sig.png|14px|Talk]] 22:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

6000 points an hour
Once you have completed EOTN in HM, every time you acquire a Hero's Handbook in HM, it starts with 5 missions complete. The 3 quickest missions (A Time for Heroes, Curse of the Norn Bear and GOLEM) take about half an hour. You can than hand in your HHHM for 3,000 points. Rinse and repeat. Obviously works for all title tracks. Plank 05/06/2010
 * Sign with the Signature button up top, and if my math is correct to get from rank *-10 it would take over a day, whereas it would take 17.6 dedicated runs through Varjar(dedicated as in working hard for the goal) to make it 8-10, though i can't seem to get a time on the VQ run i can't say if its faster or slower.--Lord randy taylor 04:14, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Varajar Fells without Path to Revelations
Who wrote this walkthrough? It's full of incorrect information. Especially on the 3000-4000 rep per hour/run statement. By doing EXACTLY what the walkthrough says I get over 12000 rep per hour/run. 86.91.68.168 12:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Path to Revalations (without vanquishing practically the whole freaking area)
Lemme drop some knowledge on your asses. You're welcome. -- Briar    The Spider  02:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 75 points for one boss
 * 450 points for one run
 * 5 minutes for one run
 * 5.4k in one hour
 * Max'd title in ~30 hours of play time.
 * Should include a note that The Path to Revelations is NOT a repeatable quest, so if you've already done it this will not work and that you need to abandon the quest to repeat it. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.81.102.224 (talk &bull; contribs) at 02:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC).