Feedback talk:Game updates/20091217

Huge fucking update. 1300 files.... -- Norrukki  23:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah &mdash; [[Image:User Balistic Pve Sig.png|19px]] Balistic 00:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny...mine was less the 300files...Justice 04:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to believe ! Yseron - 90.29.53.39 00:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why does my elite armor on like ALL my characters look better than the costumes? zzzz [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu  - talk  00:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My hopes lasted 10 seconds. Yet another update with efforts wasted for a once-a-year-thing. Yseron - 90.29.53.39 00:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

No Shadow Form update
WTH is our SF nerf? Aren't we supposed to get it today. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Leet Tankur (talk).
 * no snowball fights have a much greater importance 127.0.0.1 00:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe after 5 years they got a much younger audience than in the begining.... Yseron - 90.29.53.39 00:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What did I tell you? They won't touch SF. I will believe it when I see it. Previously Unsigned 00:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair, they haven't had a "real" skill update in which to change it. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 00:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They have had chances, and they did nothing. Even if they don't have a full blown update they could touch that one skill. Previously Unsigned 00:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just stop complaining, its not as bad as RR day ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]
 * it is worse 127.0.0.1 01:26, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It's nice to see that in the season of giving no one has yet resorted to, "Gimmie! Gimmie! Gimmie!" ... owait... Ghosst   •  Talk  •
 * They have had chances? And wasted them? You really don't know what it's like at Anet currently. And if by "chances" you mean "points at which it would be more convenient to me because it's at the same time as another update which is of a time and manner set by them and is not a 'chance' to be 'blown' or not", then, uh... I forget where I was going. But Ghosst ftw. | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 03:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yay! A skill update!
Oh.....wait.... 72.181.47.223 00:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair, they did actually update skills... -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeaaaaaaah they suuuu~re did -/- Discuss 00:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * which means it will be another 2 months before they even think of another skill update, :P-- BobbyT [[Image:User_BobbyT BobbyT_Sig.jpg|19x19px|User Talk: BobbyT]] 00:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well... I was partially right... we got the winter's day update I predicted... and a skill update... but not the skills I thought that were going to be changed. So I was 66% right? - SabreWolf 00:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, it's probably better not to release a normal skill update 2 days before the MAT. Pluto

People dont seem to notice the fact that skill balancers and the overall game update crew are TWO SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS. Just give them a day or two to bring your pathetically precious SF nerf get off your high horse. The way I see it, this stuff alone is a good update. Hell we "technically" get 4 new armor sets, be it you have to pay for them. They have also added a new feature thatll allow for much more future additions to the game. This sort of crap is why I quit playing GW overall, too many people arnt respecting the game and are being selfish bastards that diss the hard working developers when they dont bring out something they wanted. Apparently there was a higher desire to make possibly last winterday before GW2 to be a real hit than to nerf one singular skill. Get over yourselves and grow up.--Neithan Diniem 01:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

24/10...... +1 Briar 01:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC) . Dwayna costume and Grenth costume. Count with me 1(Dwayna)+1(Grenth)=2. Drogo Boffin 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Hell we "technically" get 4 new armor sets"
 * then one of each of those for each gender = 2*2 = 4 they may be the same type of armour, but they have differences that would require a separate design...  ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 01:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Doesnt count as a different armor set. It may look different (one has boobs) but they are the same armor. Drogo Boffin 01:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * my point was more they still need to design 4 different sets of armour.  ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 01:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My point is Technically they dont. They have the same name. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * but they look completely different (well the grenth ones are fairly similar, but there are differences there), so each one would still take time to create :/.  ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 01:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Im not saying that it doesnt take time, Im saying that they are 2 sets of armor not 4. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PheNaxKian had the general Idea I did, but yes, by your logic there is only 2.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 02:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Drogo, He sais tomAto you say tomAHto. Your splitting hairs. =/ Briar 03:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Phonetically speaking, its tomayto and tomarto.... What does phonetically mean? (Xu Davella 04:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonetics -Cheers --Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

How cool
The in-game store never allowed me to buy anything and i will never risk buying something through NCsoft web site. I'm f.... Yseron - 90.29.53.39 00:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * i bought it off NCsoft, its ok i got the product and no extra charge, but if your paranoid go to walmart and buy a $25 gift card then buy it with tht, nothing can go wrong. ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]
 * i doubt there are many walmarts in france 127.0.0.1 01:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Or any locations that provide a visa/mastercard gift cards. --Dominator Matrix  01:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to add that the Visa/Mastercard/American Express giftcards DO NOT WORK on the Guild Wars store... I can't remember why, but I already verified last year when I originally was purchasing with a card. (I think Walmart's rechargeable card works though, can't remember why again.) -- Norrukki  01:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * They work for the NCsoft store though. --Dominator Matrix  02:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ive used the giftcards in ingame store, thats how i got facts and nf ~Nelson (n122333)  [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]

Costumes
That you have to pay for. Honestly, I'm a player of 4 years and I find this offensive. →← 00:26, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ but you get a costume slot now! And it's only $7 USD. Wait....wtf? $7? Screw that. And wait a minute....didn't they tell us they've been working on the skill update? Where the fuck is that? They've been doing this instead? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:29, 18 December 2009  (UTC)

Then again you could've had to pay $14.99 a month for 4 years. -- Norrukki  00:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not fussed, I Bought it cause I liked it, Also Ty Arena Net for the Xmas Card :D User Find And Seek MissFindAndSeekCostumes.png -- Find And Seek  [[image:user Find_And_Seek sig.png]] 00:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Really? I love when people say "WTF, we need X but they gave us Y".... I guess some people don't realize the programmers who skill balance are different than the ARTISTS. You really are a dumbass. -- Norrukki [[Image:User_Norrukki_SigIcon.png|19px]] 00:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You can use your festival hats for free without affecting your character too. <font color="#008800">Manifold 00:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure the "artists" aren't the ones coding things like the inventory slots, the in-game store (which they screwed up, btw), the whole "new skin over existing armor", etc. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Norrukki, the devs still have to implement these things in game, whether they're art or skill updates, so by putting in art over a skill update they're taking time away from the devs. Don't call someone an idiot if you don't know what you're talking about. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:42, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * This is so lame. Stop workin on stupid stuff and making us pay for it. I have 5 accounts and ive been playing for 4 years. I didnt get a X-Mas card and now if I want a costume I have to buy it. Cmon get your heads out of your asses and listen to what the community is telling you. We are telling you that your game is fucked up, bunch-o-shit broken. Fix that instead of created new things to break. At least attempt to balance the game with more skill updates. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 00:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I just love the new costumes whatsoever. considering how much money i saved by NOT playing certain other games with monthly fees, i don't regret spending some money on GW now and then. i love this game and why not support it with some money. and i like what i got for it. i am happy and will smile at everyone trying to bad-mouth it *grins*   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 00:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I could have played Everquest for almost 6 years with the amount of money I've spent on GW. And Everquest gets content/skill updates twice monthly....and it's 10 years old. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:51, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Everquest? well, you could have...but didn't. wonder why? ;) no one forced people to spend money on GW. still they do. because aside from all the whining they still like this game ;) this game gave me a great time for some years now. so why on earth should i complain? "could be better"...sure...everything always could ^^ and besides: these contents you buy for money here are OPTIONAL. you don't need them to play the game better or worse. they are for fun or luxury. your own free decision to spent money on that. but surely no reason to whine. no-one will be a better player by buying costumes, characterslots or make-overs. so where is the problem? enjoy the game without it, save money and be just as good.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 00:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * yeah, they got to make their money some how, and there nothing wrong with something like this, -- BobbyT [[Image:User_BobbyT BobbyT_Sig.jpg|19x19px|User Talk: BobbyT]] 00:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind the way GW is heading towards a korean mmo cash shop-like system. As long as they don't sell power outside of campaigns, I think it's actually good for the game as a whole. Pika Fan 00:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Having more money to hire more people and then have faster skill updates wouldn't hurt Arena Net. As far as things to sell in the store go, these costumes are at least harmless enough, and for people who don't want costumes there's at least the update to party hats.
 * Don't expect a skill update any time soon, though. Given how they have recently mentioned just finishing to set up the Test Krewe, if they actually bother to listen to the testers it's going to take a long time before any change is made. Erasculio  01:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I feel used. This is seriously a disgusting abuse of your customer's loyalty. How insulting. 218.214.126.215 01:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ffuck off anet... just.. just fuck off.. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 01:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I still wonder, where does the money come from to pay the programmers ppl are expecting updates from? are they all working for free?   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 01:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * from ncsoft my friend. you shall not think that anet couldn't avoid these if they wanted to. they have gw2 in the works so they have funds, its not like they are gonna die or something if they don't milk the last bit of every gw1 player. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 01:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * One would think that the funds for GW2 are being used for, you know, GW2. Leaving, for GW1...? Erasculio  01:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * yesh, billions of dollars are paid each month to those(over 9000) arenanet employees that are working on gw1. this is just cheap. and you know that. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 01:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't let them milk you then. As long as i can decide, if i pay or not, i am fine. If you don't want to pay, i am fine also. sure they could avoid these goodies. but would we be happier then? i think it really matters not. as long as they don't forget about the serious work that has to be done, there is nothing to say against some fun or optional non-boost upgrades.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 01:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is cheap. GW:EN was cheap, when you consider the size of the game and some of its biggest flaws (armor sets, I'm looking at you). Selling consumables in the store would be incredibly cheap. Selling FoW armor in the store would be funny, but also cheap. But meh, costumes? What difference does it make? It will give Arena Net spare coin and won't hurt the game. The price we pay for having less than half a dozen people working on GW1 are all the complains you can see above about how slow skill updates have been; the more money they have to hire more people, the better. Erasculio  01:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Those that have the money, buy; those that don't bitch about it. I have disposable income, sorry that you don't. You could try and get a job... -Drakora 02:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To all those whining about the costumes - Shut the hell up. This is a GOOD THING, Anet's low on cash at the moment and needs to fund GW2, doing this helps them get the cash they need and gives the players something new to enjoy. Would you prefer not to have this update, and have GW2 come out in 2015/Never? Would you prefer Anet go bankrupt? I'm guessing your answer in general to both these questions is no, You would not like that to happen. Stop complaining, Let those who want to buy them do exactly that and If you don't want to buy them yourself then don't. 76.115.4.19 03:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

@ the whiners: If you don't want to pay for costumes, you dont have to. They're not asking for your money, you're asking them for stuff, and they're giving you a price. If you don't want to pay for anything, go play bejeweled. oh wait, then you'll complain cuz they want you to buy a full version.

Anet has to make money just like any other company does. They're making a massive new game in GW2 that, from the previews we've seen, costs alot to make. Jeremy Soule doesnt compose for free, Steve Blum doesn't do voiceover for free, the GW1 team doesn't work for free. Where do you think they money is gunna come from? If you like the costume, buy it. If you don't want to pay for it, then stfu. -- adrin  04:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Trying to defend this decision - particularly with that argument - means you probably have a mental condition commonly referred to as Stockholm Syndrome. 218.214.126.215 05:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So your saying Guildwars or this discussion has taken Adrin hostage and Adrin is showing loyalty to the abductor? Seriously, your wasting your time trying to throw a stupid one-liner like that when Adrin is right. If you dont want to pay for it, then shut up.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I bought the costumes and like them. I've wanted some of my chars to be able to wear a dress for a long time, and the Grenth outfit solves the problem of what my War is going to do for a "dark" armor set. Anybody who thinks this is too much should try a real cash shop game, where you pay $30 for ONE costume for ONE character. This is a good addition to the game, one some of us have been waiting a long time for, especially usable festival hats. Thank you ANet, your reward for pleasing me is my money. Arshay Duskbrow 05:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me make this abundantly clear. I have bought both costumes. The point is not that this is a terrible and damaging addition to the game. The point is that this is a shocking waste of the precious resource that is the GW Live Team. Ideally, the best outcome would have been to have the most severe game issues fixed AND this additional content added - you cannot deny that. They've had to make a choice, and they chose the money grab over supporting a very loyal and very patient player base. The community needs these things fixed while there still is a community at all. Who is going to buy shit like this if there's no players left to buy it? 218.214.126.215 05:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You accuse me of being brainwashed by anet when i defend the fact that it's ok to charge for costumes, but you bought costumes? Never once did i say anything about putting this ahead of balance. Get your accusations straight. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 05:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not fixing a few skills in NOT going to kill this game. If that were the case game after game wouldent have survived as long as they did. And damaging? if a fool leaves a game because it didnt provide a few stupid things that that person wanted then the game is better off without them. Anet isnt stupid. They have made the largest MMO other than WoW and they have been doing it for over 4 years. They know far better what to do when than an anonymous ranter--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well not fixing skills is what killed the game for me. I downloaded game again yesterday in hope that there would be skill update and then there was not, and Regina said there won't be this month. And who knows for next month. And once it comes, after 6 months, I would expect there to be a lot of stuff, but it's probably going to be few skills. Skill balance is what kept the game fun for me, and interesting. Not costumes. Not titles. Not grinding. Not storyline (which was nice). Yes, GW had many nice things, but without this skill system I would not buy it.

The people who work on pretty things and the people who work on balancing game mechanics are different. They have different expertises, skills and fortes. Please don't confuse the two. One has no direct impact on the other.Pika Fan 14:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If so, we honestly should stop shit talking about the work done by the first mentioned for the work not done by the second mentioned. more than just unfair. nevertheless i can understand peoples need for overdue balancing updates.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 16:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

People, people! This is just like how everyone complained about the face changer NPC and all that. Hat/costume slots are another cool addition which I'm glad exist. I'm not going to pay for a costume but if other people are prepared too, great, they're about as useful as Aion wings but look nice so that's great for the people who buy them and great for me too 'cos it subsidises by playing experience. Remember, the whole "free-to-play" thing is only going to work with balance updates etc while GW keeps expanding, and ANet, as a business, if gonna want to subsidise that by selling aesetics. As long as they don't start selling things which actually help in-game and stuff, that's fine with me.

Incidentally, I would love a skill update too but chill, rushing = stress, go get a cup of tea or something. Widowmaker 17:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * And while you're at it, get some cookies too ;)   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 23:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Love it how europe pays €9 plus VAT, which makes it €10,89. This is equal to $15,60. Considering how these are digital goods, why do we have to pay roughly 50% more for no reason?  SniperFox  00:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably cause the US $ is worth crap compared to its value a year ago. Not Arenanet's fault that the states is in the economic hole its in.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 01:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am from Europe and i have no clue where you get these prices from. in the ncsoft store i am paying 5.99€ for each costume. total.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 11:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Addition: or 8.99€ for both costumes together. no extra VAT, at least my bill says so.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 11:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Wintersday Priests?
I thought they were supposed to be added, or does this not happen until tomorrow?131.162.149.57 00:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Read Wintersday 2009 [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 00:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * its a typo ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]

Festival hat glitch
Found first glitch with festival hats. In PvP they will only appear before you've had your first death. Just was running around with one, died, came back without it showing on my face, though it says it's equipped. Previously Unsigned 00:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * confirmed, happen here to ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]
 * Can't pvp at all with 2009 Dragon mask too. Previously Unsigned 01:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually none of mine are showing up now. Might have to restart. Previously Unsigned 01:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC) Oh wait, on second look, it says "Always show (except PvP)"... then howcom I got into PvP with it originally? Previously Unsigned 01:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just make a note of it in the GWW notes section (Xu Davella 04:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC))

Costumes, you don't need
Buddha is having a fucking heart-attack. A-net, do something not wasteful with your time for once, and FUCKING ADDRESS THINGS THAT NEED ADDRESSING. Solus 00:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If anet is going bankrupt, I think that takes priority over any other in-game fix tbh. Pika Fan 01:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * can someone deleat the 1st post or at least cencor it? little kids play to ~Nelson (n122333)  [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]
 * No. "little" kids shouldn't be playing an online game. - Chrisworld 04:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * lit isn't much different than what kids talk about. Previously Unsigned 01:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 0/10 Pika Fan 01:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Q fucking Q Life Guardian 01:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't censored, why should we? Guild Wars is rated T for Teen anyhow. -- Norrukki [[Image:User_Norrukki_SigIcon.png|19px]] 01:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If it offends you dont read it. We do not censor the wiki. Its not breaking any policy. So....... [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It also says gameplay may change during online play. That means if yor a child you shouldnt be playing anyway. If you rean the EULA you would notice that you have to be a certain age to have an account in your name or your parents have to put it in their name. I wish they would hand out bans to the people who are underage bitching about adults acting like adults so the adults can have their fucking fun. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Fucking love you sexy fucking bitch Drogo. -- Norrukki [[Image:User_Norrukki_SigIcon.png|19px]] 01:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Have been inactive on the wiki for quite some time now. Chiming in now, because, I support the fucking profanity, bitches! (no PA intended) Also, hat slots ftw, and something useless to you (referred to as "you") may be perfectly useful to someone else (referred to as "ArenaNet"). --77.79.126.26 17:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol "If it offends you dont read it"... and yet you have to read it to know whether it offends you. Not that I care that much, just quit with the moaning about new content. Consider, if you don't by the costumes, your position is no worse than it was before, and possibly actually better since the game-runners have more cash, so this update is no worse than no update. Nothing < This < Skill update < Content addition < Good skill update < Free cake. Widowmaker 18:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I will refer to that inequality on my next analysis test as the "Widowmaker Inequality." Particularly, I will do so when I have no fucking clue what the answer is. --76.114.80.153 18:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought the How to help page said no cursing? o well i dont care, just dident want guild wars to lose busness. ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]

BAWWW SKILL UPDATE!
Seriously? theyve been working on a MASSIVE rework for wintersday and have COMPLETELY chaged it and made it, IMO, alot better, They introduce these kick ass totally awesome looking costumes which, you have to pay for, ill admit that kinda blows, but SRSLY?!?!?! Wintersday is finally here and ALL you can fucking do is sit and bitch about shadow form? JESUS CHRIST! YOU PEOPLE FUCKING SUCK!-See ya in a few weeks.(forgot to sign in)Briar 01:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * who cares about that anymore.. I just want some new shiny fresh awesome skills to play ra/ab with. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 01:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Briar, I think that people are more interested in gameplay / skill balance than unimportant things, such as festivals and costumes, shows that people are focusing on the more important things. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  03:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy shit, did the IP above me just win? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:28, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * basically. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 01:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PWNT. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wat was the massive wintersday rework, btw? 24.197.253.243 01:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming it was the costumes.... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:47, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * We'll have to wait and see I guess, it did say "preparations for wintersday", so it's possible there's more to come (though don't hold me to it, it's pure speculation =p) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 01:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For a large portion of the population these unimportant things are not so unimportant. I personally could give a shit whether there is ever another skill update EVER in Guild Wars. Keep these fun unimportant things coming I say! I love it. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  03:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yea. I forgot this is a PvE game now. Wyn doesn't PvP? Wut? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:11, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Wyn, I expect nothing less from one such as you. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  04:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * well i would agree with Briar & Wyn, This is a great thing they put ups and im hoping for more like it, and honesnty balance may be important, Flashy new skills may be great, but they already said they'll be working on stuff like GvG balance and SF, so why rush them, i preffer they take there time and do it right, than to do it now and give us something else to rage about, and alot of us know that as happen before. -- BobbyT [[Image:User_BobbyT BobbyT_Sig.jpg|19x19px|User Talk: BobbyT]] 04:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, Bobby. You just changed my whole perspective. Who cares if they need 6 months to do a proper skill update, right? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">04:49, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Exactly, glad you understand :D-- BobbyT [[Image:User_BobbyT BobbyT_Sig.jpg|19x19px|User Talk: BobbyT]] 04:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no problem waiting for a balance update another week or two or three... BUT i would be quite annyoed if i get my christmas costume in June, know what i mean ;) no denying that skill updates might be of importance for PvP, but considering the game consist of PvE and PvP to equal parts (yeah, hear me: EQUAL) and considering there have been monthly balance updates for years, i have no probleme getting some purdy shiny things for christmas that have nothing to do with PvP. would be nice if PvP gamers would just sit back and relax. they'll be getting their part of the cake soon enough, i am sure. stop the hating, stop the whining. merry christmas.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The store
Just a quick question, does entering the GW ingame store make anyone else's client crash? Thrain contribs 02:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not mine. I have bought several things from the store without being hacked,banned or crashes. Contact [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 02:26, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks.Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 02:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the secure connection status of the in-game shop, Its just as secure as any site thats worth its mettle. If the in-game store dosent work for you, you can buy anything there from the NC online store and it will still be added to your account. The in game store is merely an extension of the GW section of the NC store anyhow.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Official skill update delayed
Look right here: User:Regina Buenaobra/Journal Now would all the nerf-beggers keep it to themselves? I myself am waiting for this update aswell, but I dont solely exist so I can play the newest balance release that Guildwars makes. Im more pressed on wondering how my car payments can be handled and working on getting a second job underway. Live your life, not the life of a character.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 03:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that only makes them 2 months late on the "new way we're doing things". And that's not bad by Anet time. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:12, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Thats not bad by ANY game site. Most games dont tell you in advance that such and such update is comming, because 95% of the time it gets delayed due to unforseen issues popping up. They dont do that so they can avoid all this uselessly pathetic drama the severly addicted players rant about. Were lucky that Anet cares enough to tell us what is comming up, most games dont tell you jack. Anet has probably been planning this particular holiday update for the past 6 months and all they get in return is this.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Two months isn't bad? What the fuck are you on about? Two months is VERY BAD. Solus 03:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not by Anet's standards. Look at the last two "new ways we're doing things". <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:23, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Anets "new" standards doesn't excuse them from slow updates. 2 months, what the fuck have they been doing in this time? And considering there is usually another bug update to follow anyway, there will be problems with it's release. Solus 03:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Making costumes? Idk....probably nothing. Sleeping a lot. I get tired easier during winter, so maybe they do too? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:27, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * @Solus: Did you even read what I posted above? In the game development field, delays like this isnt just common, its everyday occurrence. GW is just blessed with having most of its updates they promise to have been delivered when they said. Unfortunately it has had the effect of severely spoiling the community.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[EDIT: this got posted in the wrong place... sorry]
 * ^^^^^^^^ | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 04:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * @Neithan: On the other hand, I'd rather have them say absolutely nothing at all about game updates, than get everyones' hopes up falsely. This seems too much like Anet are actually lying to us to keep us interested in the game, saying that it will be updated regularly, intentionally hiding the harsher truth that other game companies are more capable of updating their content and balancing their skills on a regular basis.  Yes, delays happen; is that an excuse not to tell the fanbase?  All (ok, that's a bit delusional, but a good portion) of this drama could have been avoided if Anet and it's relations managers had followed through on the promise to be more open with what they were working on.  Had they told us a couple months ago, when they were scheduled to tell us about the rough contents of the (supposedly) upcoming bimonthly update, that it would be delayed a month or so, there would be far less complaining.
 * Also, you say we are blessed that they tell us anything? It's hardly a blessing to have, for most of the last year, almost all promises either come months late, buggy, or not at all.  Just my $0.0276.198.251.189 04:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember, they wanted the test krewe involved in the next skill update, but that wasn't setup until earlier this month. Now that the krewe is active, they need to work with the devs to balance, test, rebalance, retest, and so on until the skills are halfway decent rather than just randomly adjusted. So many people complained about anet's old way of balancing. Give this way a chance to get the work done right, rather than just getting it done.--Pyron Sy 04:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

(RI) @IP: You seem to not have gone to that link I posted. It states the delay of the skill update. Guildwars is not going to post on their main website of a delay, instead they use the wiki and it is posted on that users page for things like that. And for the recent updates being "buggy", Maybe if the said fanbase were not so friggin demanding the Guildwars development team would not be slaving themselves to the bone to bring to you the work that a team 10 times the size previously brought. They are putting their best on the development of GW2, a FAR more pressing matter than a delayed update. and Pyron is right, they wanted to do the update RIGHT this time and get a devoted krew set up and going before they brought out another bugged or incomplete update.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 04:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Besides, the real wait has more to do with the test krewe. Hopefully they'll be able to work out the flaws in the balance update before it gets released and screws up the meta....again. (Xu Davella 04:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC))
 * Actually, I did read that link, before even coming to this page. Look at the date on it; it's 3 months after the last skill update, which supposedly was supposed to be a month ago.  That's my bone to pick.
 * I have no problem with the delay itself; I work in the software industry, I know exactly how these things happen. But you know what would happen to my company if we told our customers that we'd maintain our products every 2 months, and didn't tell them there would be a delay until 3 months after an update, and let them just hang at the times updates would normally be scheduled?  I'd be out a job, as would everyone else in my office.  The fact that the team is smaller is no excuse; if there's a problem, then the first rule is to be honest and up front about it, particularly after you have stated several times you'd try to be more transparent.
 * You're right about one thing, though; the userbase to this game is extremely demanding. However, is that an excuse for them not following through on the promise of transparency?76.198.251.189 04:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Its their first run with the new Krew, you cant tell me that every organization that starts a new division dosent have delays. Yea it would of been nice for them to tell us a little beforehand that it would not be in this update, but like several have been saying, you have to give the krew a chance to show their work. They have to test that skill balance agenst an unfathomable combination of skill setups/situations to see if too much power hasnt been taken/given. Also, that link was updated just today, therefor it was a status update to inform the player base of the delay and why it occurred.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The delay may have been caused by the krewe, true, but that's still no excuse to not have said, explicitly, on at least one of the journals, something along the lines of "The update we promised for November will be delayed at least a month or so as we get the test krewe set up, please bear with us." I know the krewe is the likely cause of the delay; my ONLY problem is that this is the first time we've been told there would be a delay; we were just left hanging as the original deadline came and went, unless I missed a journal post (which I don't believe I did, but it is a possibility; going to check now).
 * I know what the link contains; I always look at the journals first thing after I see an update, before coming to the update's talk page. I know it tells us of the delay; as I've said earlier, my problem with this situation is that we weren't told a month or two ago, so we wouldn't get our hopes up.  Leaving us hanging for a month past the deadline is just inexcusable and unprofessional in my opinion.  I will retract that if I find a journal post saying (explicitly) that there would be a delay from September-November, but again, I don't think I'll need to, I check them regularly.76.198.251.189 04:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'll have to partially retract that; In October, Regina did say they were getting a late start as a bullet point in a larger post, but never explicitly stated there WOULD be a delay until Nov. 20, well after their usual skill update schedule for a given month. Still somewhat unprofessional in my opinion, but not inexcusable.
 * True, a status update in November would have avoided alot of the drama over the SF and skill update. Possibly they were hoping to bring this update out this time and not have to mention the delay, but something prevented it from being possible so they are at least making right now and not later. Also, I didnt mean to sound like you never/didnt check the link. Most ranters on here Ive spoken to are not as mature as you have been, and are not as strongly based in their arguments.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, my fault for jumping to conclusions about your intent. Honestly, though, the best thing they could have done would have been to say that the update would likely be delayed (or even leave off the word "likely"); if they're right, they get props for being honest, although some people would still complain; it's the Internet after all.  If they were wrong, however, they'd be heroes.  I've always found that with established products toward the end of their life cycle, it's almost always best to promise less than you can deliver, so that the pleasant surprises keep your customers returning, a lesson Anet hasn't seemed to have figured out yet.  Too many disappointments, or miscommunications, and your customers start to look strongly toward your competitors.76.198.251.189 04:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Tbh, it's Christmas, if you're gonna be playing PvP all that much you got a problem, if you GW there's loads of Wintersday-specific stuff to do and beyond that, believe it or not, there's this "real life" which, at this time of the year, contains not such things as bills, bad bosses, exam deadlines, tiredness etc but mince pies and alcohol, which makes it infinately better than another Smiter's Boon and another let's-make-some-skills-1/2-activation-for-fun. Widowmaker 18:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Costume Body Slot
Question: Is this just going to be for real world purchases? <font color="Black">000.00.00.00 04:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Id say that based on current information, that is an unanswerable question. They may release in-game obtained costumes, they may not.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently it is known only that available costumes are sold for money, didn't seen anything mentioned about in-game acquisition (except for in-game store). I would like to have some costumes without involving real money.--Jagtiger 05:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently you can only buy the Costume via the in-game store or via PayPal. Currently you may only buy then with real world money, not in-game money.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 06:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe we'll get a Sanata's Costume for wintersday? Sanderevers 09:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Taken the next thing from the Costume FAQ:
 * "Q: Can I get a costume headpiece from a festival or in any other way?


 * A: No. In order to get a costume headpiece, you must buy the costume. Festival hats can still be obtained in the normal fashion (participating in seasonal events), but they aren't the same as costume headpieces or masks."


 * What I think is that the costumes are only gonna be obtainable thru the In-Game store and the NCsoft Store, but I hope they will make some free ones in the future. --[[Image:User_Qaletaqa_sig_icon.jpg|talk]] Qaletaqa Hania  13:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * There's some sort of red and white thing that was added to the DAT in the last update that seems like a costume to me. <font color="#008800">Manifold 15:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Dec 17
Yay skill update ! Aw crap ... Lilondra  07:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Costume has wings
I check Dwayna female costume and think "wow, looks nice, I might buy it". Then I see it ingame and I have.. wings on the back. Seriously, I don't want Aion, and these wings just ruin it for me. I don't want to look as if my character got out of some poor xmas carol.
 * Dwayna has wings, so her costume should have them as well. Sanderevers 10:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Goddes of the air has wings. How positivly ridiculous. /insert sarcasm Briar 10:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OP would fucking rage once he finds out about /aion -- Norrukki [[Image:User_Norrukki_SigIcon.png|19px]] 15:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Quote: "there are few who do not send a prayer to the Winged Goddess to spare them or their loved ones" lmao, surprise, surprise!!   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 11:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Just a question
Is this a fucking joke? 82.75.192.76 10:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Obvious troll is obvious? Briar 10:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * and the answer to the question above is: no ;)   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 12:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Festival hats with stats, whoo!
Very nice. I like the way you've implemented this. I'm not sure if I'll buy the costumes or not (the price is cheap enough for me to be seriously considering it, but there's the whole NCsoft security thing still bugging me at the moment and I want to see that resolved first) but I do really appreciate that I can now wear a silly hat in a mission without losing out on the armour and runes. It's been something players have asked for for a long time, so thankyou. :) -- Smarty 12:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Steady Aim
It's imba now. :< Mediggo 13:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Idea
Maybe Arena Net doesn't make updates that are "good" or "wanted" or "necessary" for "game balance" because the community is so abysmal and rude, they feel it unjust to provide for such a sick bunch. So they're doing what any good developer should do, they're doing what they want</I>, because the game belongs to <i>them and not a bunch of spoiled children/manchildren (or womanchildren (or womynchildren since feminists think it proper to disect the english language for their illegitimate and sexist ideals))!

Personally, while the cash-shop schemes aren't welcome, this is much better and much more worth the $70 /$rank that you're only going to see up to a maximum of ~5% of your play time.

Happy holidays and remember to buy your 5 pot smoking kids all xbox 360s and smart phones and hundreds of miles of christmas lights, fatsos. 65.40.197.16 15:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Lul, troll? Don't be going stereotyping every1. You're saying every1 is fat, which I believe is NOT true. Q_Q cause your parents cant buy you a 360?


 * When trolls mask idiocy behind writing devoid of the flaws of regular stupidity, it irks me. With this specimen, first note the obvious inclusion of himself in the accused demographic. Then note the tacked-on ridiculous appeal against feminism. Swerve around with some absurd statistics intended to hook whoever thinks they have a more accurate idea, and finish up with a direct insult. A carefully crafted but unfortunately patently stupid troll. :/ | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 16:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

FA
I had to load into FA today (over 3mb). Any reason for that? I was in FA right before the update yesterday... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">16:11, 18 December 2009  (UTC)
 * I had to do that in multiple outposts (Consolate Docks, GToB, Kamadan). Might be something to do with pending decorations. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 16:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Same with GH...any changes there i haven't noticed yet? It usually isn't decorated, is it?   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 16:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably has something to do with the updates that allow them to add the decorations (after the first time), based on a schedule, rather than having to update the game in order to add them. So, basically, the decorations are hidden until X time, and then pop up, rather than having to exit and run GW again to display the decorations. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 18:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Run -image after every update and this never happens. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 18:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * tecnical changes to make it run faster and so you cant run into walls like before? ~Nelson (n122333) [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]
 * but i luvded my walls :(   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 11:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

White Jingle Moa
A note should be added about the addition of this pet to the game. EDIT: Re-sign --Curin Derwin 06:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

seeing as Anet doesnt do listen to this anyways
Fuck you anet, your failure to listen to us bitches bitching about skill updates means you have lost the bitch demographic. You'll regret this later, for without us there are only trolls and newbs. 68.94.181.128 07:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And PvE noobs who won one GvG against some pathetic guild and think there pro. 68.94.181.128 07:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You think you're important? -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 11:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What did you think? They were going to cancel Wintersday additions (Linsey has said numerous times she wanted to do stuff for the festivals) to give you a skill update? The skill update is being worked on with the Test Krewe. If all this is losing us is the bitches bitching about skill updates I say good riddance. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  11:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * /agree Briar 13:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Besides, cutting the bitches doesn't only leave the trolls and newbs. It leaves the trolls, newbs, and people who actually matter but who don't post on the wiki (nonsense or otherwise), also known as the Playerbase. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 18:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Texmod
Anyone else having a problem with Texmod since this update? I've downloaded a new copy of both Texmod and the tpf files, updated video drivers and BIOS, shut off AVG completely and tried known working tpf files.

Thanks in advance. Retro77 06:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Cartography Made Easy Complete Collection.tpf is working just fine. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  06:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)