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Auto Protection of Game Updates
I feel that all new game updates should be auto protected for 1 day. As for the first day after the game updates are released, a flood of vandals comes as a result. --Dominator Matrix  01:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe 48 hours :/ -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 01:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Let logged in people edit them only. Would be a start. Previously Unsigned 01:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Unsigned, but as Wyn said: First, we really have no idea when an update is coming until it does. Second, due to a problem with the Anet wiki server, when a page gets protected, the entire wiki goes down for 3-5 minutes So, it might cause more harm than good, depending on the case. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 02:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. Admins are active. Emily who posts the updates could protect the page herself. A 3 minute blank out instead a RC full of OMG AN UPDATE *vandal*, is worth it. --Dominator Matrix  02:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand why they don't just even post the notes themselves before the update goes live. They must have a list of what they've changed, since they work on the game. Previously Unsigned 02:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well they are posted on here before they post it on the website, so that kinda counts. The thing with ArenaNet is that even staff don't notice the update until they get told about it. --Dominator Matrix  02:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Emily may be in the middle of some other task when the update goes live, or some other issue keeps it from happening simulatneously. It's not like one person does it all at once, the update to the game is handled by one person and the website/wiki notices are handled by someone else. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that should change. There must be some official Anet accounts here... they could just make a new page like anybody else before posting the update. That's not unrealistic. Previously Unsigned 02:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Why? It works just fine the way it is, it just means the admins need to be alert. And Emily is more often than not the one that does create the update page. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Why not? --Dominator Matrix  02:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Because we don't just automatically limit editing rights. It gets protected if it needs it, and often it doesn't need it. I also think it's much better to convince people to act right than to take away their ability to act at all. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * "I also think it's much better to convince people to act right than to take away their ability to act at all." It's all IP's that vandalize for the record. We have sent such users many ways to convince them, but it falls on deaf ears. --Dominator Matrix  02:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Will you be taking the same stance when an IP crashes the wiki by adding a bunch of crap to a game updates page or commonly used template? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 02:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have for over a year. Wonder why no one in charge thinks prevention is better then the after math. --Dominator Matrix  02:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I failed at indents - I meant that towards Wyn. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 04:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Been there done that Armond, and for the most part, yes I still feel the same way, though changing a massively used template is a bit different, and some of them have been protected from IP changes specifically for that reason ifexists as an example. This is really minor vandalism that affects a single page, it doesn't warrant automatic protection imo, of course, none of the other admins have said anything, so they may feel differently. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone should ask Emily to take the wiki down for maintenance for a few days if they ever nerf shadow form. –Jette 04:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling she'll be "on vacation" when (if?) that happens. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 13:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The first update after the Shadow Form fix will be the first one untouched by vandals. | 72  (UTC) 21:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people deliberately disrespect the freedom of wiki editing and will not be convinced. The same freedom that makes wikipedia so unique is also used as slander against it when the bad apples fall into the interwebs.  The ideal of "wiki-freedom" can still be upheld even if we protect the update page (which is a repeated and known victim of vandalism, as well as an important source of information for the player).  You just can't stop some people from acting the way they do, and it's unfortunate that those sorts of people (IP posters who don't care) are also grouped with decent people (IP posters who do care).  Since an arenanet staff member is already posting the updates verbatim on a page specifically meant for updates, I don't see why anyone should feel insulted or shunned when they realize the page is protected.  The most that can be done beyond the pages actual purpose is adding a wiki note or fixing syntax errors.  It is a dynamic and often read section, and 99.99% of the rest of GWWiki is open for everyone to excercise their freedom where it is needed the most.  /sipcoffee Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My largest objection to "auto protection" is that protecting a page breaks the wiki. This is fact. It's an issue that the ArenaNet IT guys have been unable to resolve in years of trying. This means that at a time when many people are going to want to be editing, the wiki will be broken for as much as 5 minutes (a lifetime to someone trying to post). The vandalism is not something that can't be dealt with on a instance basis, and protection can be placed at the discretion of any admin if it gets out of hand. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  22:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that that's an issue, but on the flip side, the update notes are useless for the first 20 minutes to an hour, because of the vandalism. I'd rather the wiki be down for a few minutes than have different insults and incorrect information on every refresh of the latest update page. -- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 23:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just look at the page history and find the reverted version, it's not hard. Alternatively go to the website, also not hard. It's not the end of the world, most people on the wiki don't even notice the vandalism, just the rc people. Most people in game find the vandals funny. Don't break what's not broken. 58.111.65.95 00:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's go to the website where the update details aren't posted until the next afternoon. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

"functionality changed"
Or any other change... Does anyone find it hard to remember what a skill used to do sometimes? Is there a way to list what the skill did before the change and what it does now? I had to scroll through the revisions of Ebon Dust Aura a few minutes looking for a duration change or something to figure out that the major part of the change is that it is now a melee attack that triggers it, not any attack. Is there another site that does this? Is it something that could be added to the Game Update page somehow? I don't mean to resurrect a dead topic if it's been discussed and settled, but some of these skills I don't use a lot, so I don't have them memorized. Adeira Tasharo 20:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * See Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Skill history (Ebon Dust Aura/Skill history) or http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/skills/ (http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/skills/history/1133). --Silver Edge 20:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't see bbot nerf
No one reject the fact that the blinding surge should be nerfed. Why it takes ANET so long to nerf it already ? 109.67.19.246 18:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * +1 Stupid Anet!!!!111... --faraon2005ramses 15:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi i'm an ele wasting my elite to stop people from attack XD Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never heard a Dervish with Avatar of Melandru complaining about this. One hit is all martial weapon user needs to start a combo that can't be broken by a caster. Martial weapon users have plenty of ways around blindness, like touches. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 22:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of a Dervish with Avatar of Melandru being used in competitive PvP since VoD. You only need to land one hit to start an unbreakable combo?  That's funny, because if I Bull's the monk, I get bsurged, and if I Bull's the ele, they get Guardianed.  Guess there goes that, huh?  Martial weapon users can touch their way around blind?  Yeah, I'm just gonna pump some serious damage by using Shock, Shove, or Iron Palm on recharge.
 * You must be trollin'. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  23:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm an ele using 1 skill to remove 1 person from the game for 8 seconds (or every 5 Energy) every 4 seconds. Bsurge so bad hurr durr.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  23:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't have to pump 'serious damage'. You have to prevent the elementalist from using Blinding Surge again. Just use a touch that knocks down, use that time to remove blindness, apply dazing, get some IAS and mash the elementalist. That or run as fast as you can, like many elememntalists have to do when they face some mesmers alone. You won't hear any Elementalist 'boo-hoo' because a mesmer can stop almost every single spell they cast. They will either bring skills to prevent interruption or avoid mesmers. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 15:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're suggesting... dazing them? Well, let's examine that.
 * Let's say you're a warrior. You have three skills that cause Daze: Overbearing Smash, Skull Crack, and Headbutt.
 * Overbearing Smash is cool and all, but where does that fit into a hammer bar? If you guessed "in the optional slot where a touch skill would be", then you're 100% correct.  Otherwise, you're dropping either your elite KD (lol), Bull's (lol), deep wound (lolyoucan'tkillanything), your second KD (lolnoquarterknock), your IAS (lolnoquarterknock), or enraging charge (lolblindbots).  Maybe if hammer wars dropped their res sig?
 * Then there's skull crack. It's 9 or 10 adrenaline.  I can't remember which, but it's super high.  Have you ever tried to build 9 adrenaline while being bsurged on recharge?  Even if you interrupt one with a knockdown, you've got 4 seconds to build 9 adrenaline: not happening.
 * Headbutt is interesting. You spend 15 energy for the daze and damage, then another 5 (and your secondary) to put it on your target.  Congrats, you just spent the amount of energy you gain in 40 seconds, your elite, and your secondary profession to apply a 20-second daze.
 * Remember that thing you were saying about removing blind? Well, guess what?  Removing daze from an ele is *just as easy* as removing blind from a warrior.  The difference is that you spend a million times more effort in applying it.
 * Read: imbalanced.
 * And you're suggesting that an ele casting under mesmer hate is anything like a warrior attacking under bsurge spam? Let's examine that, too.
 * See, mesmers have this aspect of their skills called "being mostly balanced" - mesmer interrupts either disable all their skills, give you energy, or recharge slowly. The scary ones cost big energy and have big recharges.  Their other big guns don't do anything unless you cast through them, and they also cost big energy and have big recharges.
 * Now, the other thing about mesmer skills is they mostly don't do anything if they don't interrupt a skill or if you don't cast through them. If a mes just pushes pleak on you?  Nothing happens.  Because of that, eles have this huge way to counter mesmers: not getting interrupted.  If you cancelcast a skill and the mesmer uses pblock, nothing happens to you.  If a mesmer puts Diversion on you and you don't use a skill, nothing happens to you.  Compare that to "regardless of what you were doing, you're blind now".
 * Then there's this other thing about being an ele. You can use your skills from casting range.  If you're not in a mesmer's casting range, everything between you and that mesmer is fair game.  Warriors?  No way.  You've got to be in their face.  That means that if you're in melee range of just about anything on a bsurge ele's team, you can and will be blinded.  Cool, right?
 * There's no aspect of bsurge that's balanced compared to anything. It just needs to get axed.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  19:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You see, even when mesmers have long recharges, that's all they need. One powerblock, and most if not all elementalist will be usually gone. That can't be done to warriors. If they blind you, you still will have touches and other skills types, not just attacks. And if you are dervish or assassin you still have the other types of attacks. Blindness doesn't remove a warrior, they just make bad warriors unable to attack at all, because they just mostly bring melee attacks. What you can't have is perfectly balanced 1vs1. A Blinding Surge Elemtalist, will almost always beat an attack-only warrior. So what? Even with long recharges, most caster hate mesmers will always beat any elementalist 1vs1. An assassins with heavy interrupts and knockdowns will almost always beat an elementalist. That's how this game is balanced. A beats B, which beats C, which beats C, and so on. You can't as for 1vs1 balance. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nowhere did Raine ask for 1v1 balance. She was asking for bsurge to be bala nced compared to other forms of shutdown. Compare it to, say, Steam, Signet of Midnight, Blackout, Ineptitude, Shadowsong, Dust Trap, Enfeeble, Faintheartedness and similar skills, Empathy and similar skills, Freezing Gust and other snares, and Linebacking. The only skills in the ga me that come close to being as effective anti-melee as bsurge are Crippling Shot and Blinding Flash. Not to mention, your jugment on "bad warriors" is completely wrong. Open obs, or just check out this page - of the physicals you'll see, how many of them have skills that aren't completely shut down by blind? How many skills are there that you can use through blind? I counted approximately one (actually, two, technically). Dervishes simply are n't used outside of gimmicks (though triple tree was fun!), and assassins tend to rely on all attack skills with a spell or two. No matte rhow you try to look at it, a seeping wou nd sin that can only use seeping wound isn't all that great, nor is a WC sin that can only use WC. Finally, mesmers don't shut down elementalists with long recharge skills. Even if you're unlucky/unskilled enough to actually get hit by pblock (assuming the other guy's carrying it and not an other elite), that shouldn't be all of your bar disabled (meaning, you should reliably have, perhaps, two skills not from that attribute). Bad fire eles carry seven fire skills and a res sig, yeah, but good eles bring something like WoW, En feeble, some sort of enchantment removal, or even Illusion of Pai n in some cases. (My favorite is bflash on a mind blast bar, personally.) Not only that, but once your skills are back up, there's still 8-10 seconds before pblock recharges (before 40/40 sets).

new build
less than a minute ago. thought i'd mention it. Previously Unsigned 22:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Newest update!
I'm really really tiny now! I love you Anet! I'm mini Gwen sized!!!!!!! Eive Windgrace 07:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Forgot to sign! IM REALLY TINY going to have screenies up soon if i can figure that out.
 * Its not just that all players are mini sized, they made minis player sized. 173.88.136.15 09:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Was this a new build or was this stealthily put in with the last one and activated at midnight? --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

an update like 1 minute ago. always manage to get into the last game before it. Previously Unsigned 20:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait for it.... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:01, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * /dissapoint.  The new costume pack lacks the zeal and awesomeness as the last one. --Darkness Prevails 21:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

4/29/2010 nighttime update
pd lies 06:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Something about reporting
Hello gw suportteam.

I realy hate how your report feature works...you can play the entire match and when it´s about to end poeple can randomly report you for leeching and you dont get anything for completeing the match...also happens that poeple syncs matches for the sake of reporting people

My solution to the problem is to remove the feature to report someone of leeching after they achievs a serten amouth of apm (actions per minute) and that if u get reported for leeching becasue you are the bathroom (30sec in the start e.c) would go away if the person achievs a serten amouth of apm after the report..because there is nothing more pointless playing a game, and then at 9 of 10 min mark you get reported...and you get no match bonus whats so ever!

kindly regards ZodowO


 * 1, This isent support.
 * 2, No support members view this.
 * 3, All GM's View 'phoney' reports.
 * 4, GW1 is currently lower on staff than usual, the Main percent of them is Working on GW2.
 * 5, Dont go to the bathroom before a match.sort your life out.
 * 6, if you dont like the game, Dont play it.
 * -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 15:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

june 4, 2010
here goes another one! Previously Unsigned 15:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

What happened to Guild Wars?
I really don't understand what happened to Guild Wars. It just sucks now. The lag isn't any better. It use to be so much fun. I have absolutely no intention of buying GW2. None of the changes over the last few months have made Guild Wars any better at all. This whole War in Kryta thing doesn't even sound interesting. The zaishen quests were cool for missions and bonuses because 1) get equipment packs and other items and 2) made it easier to find groups for some missions that it is hard to find people for. And why keep changing so many skills? It doesn't make people play more, it makes them play less.

With having the competition of games such as Modern Warfare 2, I would expect so much more from Guild Wars. I mean heck, farmville on facebook is becoming more fun than Guild Wars. When is it ever going to be good (fun) again?

24.3.26.160 01:31, 5 June 2010 (UTC)Leach of Death [ODMP]


 * When the new generation has been introduced to Guild Wars 3 or 4 and it's time to milk everyone on Guild Wars Classic. | 7  2   User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg | 03:13, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah fed up of people qq all over wiki and guru and then screaming "well i'm not going to buy gw2 because of this." GW1 has a small team working their best to keep it going while GW2 has a much larger one and will be a completely different game, the current state of GW1 atm does not reflect the quality of GW2 and to boycot it like that is just stupid. Take GW2 for what it is not what GW1 is, if your fed up of GW1 take a break, thats the joy of a non subscription based game if you get bored you can stop for awhile without the worry of wasted money ;) Dinsy 10:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * /agree (Excuse the cheap input. :P) ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 10:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...Let me address some stupidity I have seen here.
 * 1 You haven't even tried to play the WiK and you already are complain about it.
 * 2 You said the zaishen stuff was good, no complaints, yet you still included it in a complaint thread.
 * 3 Skills are changed to bring balance to the game. Oh QQ I can't Perma SF farm UW anymore. Eat %^&$ idiot. Plus, people will like to play mesmers more after the recent mesmer update, and you have given no reason for them to make people play less.
 * 4 You do realize guild wars is in NO WAY a competitor with MW2, as they not only are for completely different platforms, but are in an entirely different genre, so that point is completely dumb
 * 5 It is entirely your opinion that this game is not good, or is boring, personally, I find it extremely fun.The Orlando 23:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * All those updates and changes bring me back. When a month pass without updates or events, I stop playing GW until the next update. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 13:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * LOLled @ the recap by The Orlando! So true, wonderful humor :).  S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png|Special:Contributions/Silverleaf]] Don't assume, Know! 13:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that all complaint threads about a game, made on its own flourishing wiki, by someone whose argument is half compliments, is instantly fail... | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 14:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And I LIKE gw... So there!184.79.36.236 01:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)