Guild talk:X Knock Out X

leader info is out dated. Sire gave guild to Prince Mosc. Mosc gave guild to Anita Kaytel (Nina). --Octavianflint 02:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As a current member of KO, I took the liberty of performing a general clean, as well as adding a few things that I could that were missing. I also added guild cape image and updated the alliance information.  As I am not an officer, nor do I know sufficient guild/alliance history, I have omitted adding history/rules.  Hopefully all of this helps. Mswheele 10:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Not sure in Nina (leader) wants officers listed... Think she wanted to clear it with each of the players before doing it. I did ask the one that I liked to their user page. Didn't remove the other users because I didn't add them but wanted to give you a heads up. --Octavianflint 02:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I contemplated on whether to add the officer list or not and ultimately decided to add it for a numerous reasons: 1) to make it more uniform with the other guild pages currently in the alliance; 2) Nina can't always be on for new invites, but with an officer list, in most cases, at least one is on (I know one plays from Japan, also officer's are members that Nina has a high level of confidence/trust in); 3) listing officers in no way creates a hacking threat to their account, since it has nothing to do with their account log-ins; 4) the officers can remove themselves from either this list if they wish, or even themselves from leadership if they want to. When one becomes an officer, they are automatically put into a position  of greater recognition and responsibilities within the guild.  I consulted and used the GWW:GUILD as a general guidline, in addition to what was already here, and took the line "Contact information, limited to leader and notable members" as others have (within the alliance, for example) and determined that officers, surely, are notable members in a guild where only roughly 1 in 10 hold that recognition.  I'm upset, so please don't take any of this that way.  I thought I would go on record and explain why I did what I did concerning the Guild Leadership section.  On a side note, it would be neat if more of them were active on or made user accounts on this wiki in my opinion. Mswheele 06:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)