Talk:Zen Daijun (explorable area)

Bug...?
When i enter this area in HM, to vanquish it, it says I have killed every foe in the area. But the problem, is that it doesn't say I've vanquished the area, I can give anybody a picture if its needed... Anybody know why?--139.164.151.98 13:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It just so happened i had to kill about ONE animal, I killed a pet(bird) which you can make hostile to gain this area...--139.164.151.98 14:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Vanquish 'exploit'
I do not think the terminology 'exploit' is appropriate as I believe I read an article by Gaile Gray on Guild Wars Guru that it was intentional that Canthan characters would not have to clear the area in order to vanquish it.

I cannot find the specific link because of the infamous suckage of the search engine, but of the threads I did find, it was stated this was because Canthans had cleared the purple haze previously during a quest. Just my 2 cents. Alex Morningstar 09:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Cartographer
Any % toward Cartographer known? – josəph 10:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Miasma
I removed the note about being led by a factions character who has completed unwelcome guest to remove the miasma because I did not encounter any miasma at all in the entire area while H&Hing with my dervish, (who last I checked wasn't Canthan). Kelvin Greyheart 18:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Afflicted Ritualists
Even though wiki says that HM Afflicted Ritualists everywhere have Flesh of My Flesh, while vanquishing Zen Daijun the only skills i ever saw them use was Spirit Transfer, Recuperation, Mend Body and Soul, and Weapon of Quickening. I ended up trying to kill them last, and wait for a res, but they never did. They are a much lower threat to your team here, than in most areas. Sloh Em Oshun 17:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

One-kill exploit failed when soloing
I tried to vq with just my Sin, but the one enemy trick didn't work. I then entered with a full party of heroes, ran around for a minute and then killed a pet - bingo. My Sin is a high-end char who had vq this before, maybe that mattered. (IIRC I had to actually fight a lot of foes here back then). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:ButeoRegalis (talk).

Exploit or intended by developers?
Hi there - I recall someone mentioning once that a developer said it was intentional that canthan characters should not have to vanquish this area since they had previously purged the afflicted from it anyway. I feel that it is not an exploit since it is merely the killcount being increased by one, how else can this note be phrased? (I beleive that exploit makes it sound like it was unintended or forbidden, which it is not.) -- Chieftain  Alex 17:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with Alex. From a lore/storyline point of view, you've helped Zunraa clear the area in An Unwelcome Guest, so it stands to reason that there wouldn't be any afflicted afterwards. The REAL anomaly (or anomalies) are that non-Factions characters can't do this as well, and that the afflicted aren't replaced with other monsters to kill, like in most other explorables whose spawns are altered by quests. The latter at least can be explained by Zunraa's role being something akin to a guardian spirit, and this area is supposed to be a haven of sorts. Thus having monsters that want to kill you would be odd, after you've supposedly cleared it of evil. -- Hong 18:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmn. Obviously, if we can find ANet staff stating/implying this, then I would have to admit to being 100% incorrect.


 * However, I have a lot of trouble reconciling this with the Tier 2 ZVQ reward offered for Zen Daijun; if ANet expected that this area should be VQable in a single kill, why did they offer 150 zoins instead of only 50? (I don't think it's that odd that non-Canthans cannot take advantage: it's generally true that rewards, esp. in newbie areas, are better for the natives. Plus: only Factions toons can complete AUG, so, lore-wise, non-Canthans haven't cleansed the area at all.) Also, I don't believe that clearing an area of evil means that there are no foes at all; it could just mean that the afflicted are gone and we are left with the standard enemies. In particular, afflicted are removed from Haiju (but not other foes).


 * So, what does that mean in terms of how we describe this in the article? Regardless of the reasoning, if most of the community thinks this doesn't count as an exploit, we shouldn't list it as such. Chieftain Alex and Hong do count (leaving aside their own modesty) as important voices in the community, so... unless there's a sudden swelling of support for labeling it as an exploit. I'm inclined (for now) to rephrase. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The closest quote I could find, is gaile suggesting that the Bukdek Byway exploit was not intended. She could have said, Zen Daijun was intended, but this sounds like it was not. (I agree it's inconclusive.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The closest quote I could find, is gaile suggesting that the Bukdek Byway exploit was not intended. She could have said, Zen Daijun was intended, but this sounds like it was not. (I agree it's inconclusive.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

TEF eats crow
I found the relevant quote:



So, it is intentional. I think we need to cite this and rephrase. My apologies to all who remembered reading Gaile's statement back before I had even heard of the game. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I helped my gf (Factions born) do the attribute point quest on my para (NF born), and afterwards there were no foes in Zen Daijun when we returned. Didn't test in HM.