User talk:Regina Buenaobra/Archive Game Related Topics/Jul 2009

Just curious...
as to why the hat for this year's Dragon Festival was already shown/announced? Things like skill updates I could see announcing before the actual update, but personally, I like to see things like this left to be a surprise. I know, I could just stay away from the wiki for the entire event, but still, I'm sure many players would have preferred to keep it a surprise until it was given out. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 19:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * For the Dragon Festival, we've always had the masks up on the event page ahead of time. For other festivals, we've often saved them as surprises. But I take your point. :-) -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 22:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh, I never noticed that before. I suppose y'all're forgiven this time. But don't let it happen again...until next year, that is... ;) -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 10:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

thank you
For stopping down at Shing Jea int and letting us know what was going on. Sorry that Martin had to drag you off, but I hope you guys had a nice lunch. ^^ Katherinezoltin 20:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Np. Right after I got a few IMs from people, checked the website, checked the game login screen, checked with the programmer and QA, and then when it was clear that there was confusion and I had information from the dev team, I decided to pop in to try and reassure people. :-) We're taking steps on our end to try and make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen again. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 01:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If no one minds my asking, what exactly happened? --174.130.129.212 05:32, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Login screen said the festival started at noon. Then the website said it would start after an update.  The update wasn't before noon.  66.190.15.232 07:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The information on the game login screen did not reflect the information on the website. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 20:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Anet player test Krewe
I noticed that you had posted on guru that Anet is soon gonna be searching for a player test Krewe to play out any design or balance changes you may have in mind before it is released to the public. I have checked the job listings every day and have not yet seen the position available, so I was wondering if Anet is still seeking a balance Krewe, and when possibly could we hope to send in our applications? Thanks for all the work you do Regina! --Malchior Devenholm 22:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Malchior: If you check the post, it says that when we finalize the details, we'll put an application form up. When we are ready to open the flood gates for applications, we will make an announcement and let you know how to apply. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 22:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you Regina, guess I'm just a little anxious at the opportunity :)--Malchior Devenholm 06:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Just hunt through the list of alphas. There are plenty of plenty of ready and willing candidates in that crowd. :) -- WarBlade 10:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Two more qustions about the Live Test Krewe
Will there be an NDA? What type of players will you be looking for? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, we will require all participants to sign an NDA.
 * On the second question: when we're ready to share information, those details will be posted. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 20:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea if we are allowed to make comments on topics which have been already marked as replied to, but since it's about this exact subject: any idea if testers will be limited to those from the USA and Europe only? Often I'm excluded from constests thanks to being from Brazil, and I understand why (the legal team could not possibly check how every country in the world works to see if something is legal there or not), but it would be extremely sucky to be excluded from tthe Live Test Krewe before even applying xD Erasculio 21:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in New Zealand, I'm sure hoping I at least have a shot at even applying >.<  000.00.00.00  21:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll raise the issue of country of origin with the team and let them know your concerns. :-) -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 23:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Cupcakes in Dragon Festival...?
When I was trading in my tokens for creme brulees, I saw that you could trade in tokens for Birthday cupcakes... wich I found very wierd, since It doesn't say that on the wiki or homepage, OR on the website... Was it a bug, or just a fun surprise? ^^ And I took some screenshots, however, I suck at doing things on the wiki, dont know how to upload...xD Megalodon 12:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

got a nice xx ecto from 250 cupcakes..


 * The code for the cupcakes was integrated by mistake. It wasn't intended, but we're not going to push another game update to correct it because it's not a huge issue. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 20:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Who's gonna complain, a bunch of 9 rings AFK´s!...might hit xxx ecto today.. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:193.200.150.82 (talk).

Alliance Disappearing?

 * I've received a few reports that people's Alliances have disappeared from their friends list. I've notified our team here, and we will look into it. EDIT: forgot to sign. That was me. :-P -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 21:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The alliance/guild issues are also extending to individual account problems. 3 members of my guild have experienced troubles accessing their guild rosters. Depending on the player they have reported such things as missing cape, another guild's guild tag displyed with their character name, no access to the Guild Hall or Guild Chat channel. And my guild is also currently alliance-less. -- WarBlade 23:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooh, now I think I know why I'm no longer seeing the guild message as the first thing in my chat when I log in, even though we have one. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali  01:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm no longer getting our guild message, even though it' in the status window. I'm also having issues with going to alliance members guild halls, takes longer than usual to load in, like 30 seconds but to my own gh is normal.  000.00.00.00  03:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A bunch of people in my guild couldn't see a guild in the alliance roster; funny enough they all couldn't see the same guild. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 09:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have been keeping an eye on the active threads, and contacted our team here about it again. The issues should be resolved, but if they are not for you, please contact our customer support team. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 23:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Prediction Points
any news..! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:193.200.150.125 (talk).
 * It's been said several times, but I'll repeat it: "Regina will let us know when it gets fixed. Otherwise, all she could really tell us is that they're working on it....which isn't really new information" Karate   Jesus  19:30, 9 July 2009  (UTC)
 * I, for one, am happy that aNet has been straight with us about the XTH. It's broken, they've confirmed it and publicly and definitively told us that it will remain closed until it's fixed. While this situation is frustrating and the statements made about it aren't what we want to hear, I'm glad that they've chosen to trust our maturity by giving it to us straight instead of giving us a song and dance or remain silent. I like to think that the player community has generally responded well to this unfortunate situation. They'll get it fixed, we'll get our points and this hurdle will become a thing of the past. 24.188.207.20 23:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Go and check the various GW forums before suggesting that we've "generally responded well". To me, it seems that most people have been pissed off with both the PR teams handling of information and the way it was shut down. But again....that's one opinion. I could be wrong. Karate   Jesus  23:46, 9 July 2009  (UTC)
 * It's broken and needs fixed, I don't really see what else the community want anet to do about it. They have told us bluntly that its broken and they are working on it and I appreciate that candid response. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 23:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Questions on Discrepancies with the "core" Status of Priest of Balthazar Unlock Items
Hi. I've noticed that accounts without NF or EotN are missing options for many items from the Priest of Balthazar that one might think should be core items. Would it be possible to find out from ANet if this is all as intended or if some of it should be fixed to be unlockable for all accounts? I've made a list of all the differences I see on my talk page because it seemed to long to put on pages like this. User_talk:LicensedLuny I've asked for general wiki comments about it, too, but an official response from ANet letting us know if it really should be this way would help decide what documentation on the wiki needs to be cleared up and what, if anything, just needs to wait for a patch. Many thanks for looking into it! LicensedLuny 00:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, I think the best way to describe this is "bizzarre." As you mentioned, some things make perfect sense, while others make no sense at all. Xandra/Anton/Kahmu/Hayda are un-usable on Prophecies+EotN accounts anyway, as they cannot use any of their profession's skills, regardless of insignia/rune availability.  However, most "universal" and core weapon upgrades (caster items, shields, bow/sword/axe/hammer) should be available to any and all account combinations.  Upgrades specific to scythes, spears, and daggers could only be available to unlock in those specific campaigns, though making them available to all wouldn't be unreasonable.  Also, if a rune/insignia can be applied to the armor of a character created in a specific campaign, it should be available to be unlocked on that account as well, since players can still purchase and use those runes/insignia from the guild hall rune trader.  And last, but not least: I'd be posting this for Joe or Gaile, as this can be considered a bug or support issue, but not really a community kind of thing.  [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali  05:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I just posted a copy of my request above on Gaile's page.  We'll see. LicensedLuny 21:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. So, according to the team, much of the documentation on this wiki regarding what are core unlocks is inaccurate. Eye of the North has no item upgrade unlocks associated with it, for example. So if you added GWEN to an account w/o Nightfall, it would not make the missing inscriptions available. Upgrade unlocks come from Core (common to all Chapters), Factions, or Nightfall. This isn't something that is a bug in the game, but rather inaccurate documentation. Unfortunately our designers do not have the time to go through the wiki line-by-line to correct those errors. :-( -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 00:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

XTH
As weeks stretch into months, will players be compensated for the XTH downtime? --77.97.23.248 21:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As much as I agree with this statement, I think we should leave them alone about it. I am growing tired of it being brought up as Im sure they are. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 21:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Compensated for what, something that you were given for free and isn't necessary for gameplay? [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ANet usually gives something when player may have missed stuff due to errors. But it's it's not like we are losing something, we are just not getting it. I would not worry about it. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 21:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasnt 'given for free', action was required to gain the points. my action resulted in a reward. Ive been using the XTH since 2006 without incidence until the recent failed upgrade. --77.97.23.248 22:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Regina_Buenaobra/Archive_Game_Related_Topics/Jun_2009 implies that June points will be distributed once they resolve the issue. Since you referred to 'downtime', I figured you were referring to months where you were not able to make predictions, which, by definition does not involve any effort since the matter in question is not being able to do something. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If the XTH was working as intended, we would have been able to make predictions as normal. Its not, so we cant. And the longer the XTH is down, the more monthly predictions are missed --77.97.23.248 22:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My point being that missing predictions does not actually require any effort from you, and thus you have no reason to be "entitled" to a reward from it. It is not as if you are receiving emotional distress from not being able to make risk-free wagers on tournaments. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And my point was if it was working as normal, we would have gained a reward, its down because of a failed update and no reward is being gained. If it was up, after making predictions we would have got the reward as usual. --77.97.23.248 22:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Boo hoo, you didn't get a handout? Again, why are you entitled to something that you didn't do anything for? If, for instance, someone tells you that they'll give you a job and pay you $10 for it, and then before you actually do the job, they say "oh, sorry, I actually can't hire you today", are you still entitled to the $10? I don't think so. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 23:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Those who use the XTH do something, they make predictions.


 * Im not here to argue the merit of the XTH system, whether it should exist, those who use it deserve the rewards. I think its pretty clear what your view is on the matter, and i dont dispute your persistence or ability to argue a point, however I was asking a question to one of ANets employees, Regina Buenaobra for an official response. --77.97.23.248 23:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I view the XTH reward as a means of getting and maintaining player interest in a community event. Since I've been using the XTH, I have been following the rankings in the XTH and watching matches to learn about the participants so that my predictions yield the best possible reward. I'm not alone in this investment of time or effort. To say that it's a hand-out or that you're getting something for nothing is, quite frankly, wrong. Those of us who do legitimately invest time and effort in the XTH are entitled to the rewards our predictions yield and there should be no doubt of this as aNet has chosen to make this a component of both the game and the community. That is where the merit is in the XTH, it's a community building initiative. While I maintain that anyone denying this is choosing to fail to see this merit or merit in the community, I can certainly understand the frustration both on the part of the players who are waiting for XTH to reopen and on the part of players who are sick of listening to people ask about the XTH and their prediction points. As for me, I really don't view this any differently than I viewed the state of the LB and Sunspear titles in the first 6 months of NF or if a particular outpost or elite mission were to be brought offline due to significant error. Specifically, that opinion is that it's unfortunate and frustrating and efforts would be best invested in resolving the issue than in babysitting frustrated players. Despite this, I do wish that we'd see more frequent updates about it (as I would with any offline aspect of the game) even if such updates were limited to "don't worry, we're still working on it" or "someone had a good idea for a fix today but it didn't work, we're still digging". Yet if it came down to fixing XTH or delaying the next Live Team build, my loyalty certainly would not lay with XTH. Pkohler01 01:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note Pkohler01, I have not said that players should not get points for what they have put effort into: as stated above, Regina has already implied that June points will be distributed. What I have been commenting on is the assumption that players are entitled to points for a period when the XTH was intentionally closed, during which no effort has actually been made, since there were no predictions to make in the first place. That is what I am referring to when I say "handout" - giving out points for absolutely nothing simply because the XTH wasn't available this month would be a handout. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 07:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I suggest giving us 2x points for as many times as we've missed. That way players can make up for the losses. Although this is a small issue, I don't feel that ANet owes me anything (except for keeping servers running until GW2 at least). -- Alaris 13:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * meh, 1. the best would be shutting XTH down, 2. the servers are in kinda bad state, laggspikes, DCs all around... bad - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg|18px]] 16:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say repeat the most recent reward for each account (the one we're all still waiting for), but only at 50%, since no additional effort was involved. People who usually get good predictions (i.e. work harder for it) will get more points, and those who don't won't, seems fair to me as the best approximation.  This downtime has affected course of zkey economy a little, and is also preventing people from being able to get a chance at the monthly tonic if their only zkey source was preditions and not Balth Faction.  Not to say it's a large source, but it is nonetheless significant.  For example, I was planning to store all my prediction keys until August for a better chance at the El. Trapdoor Tonic, as it's one of the 3 I like most.  Now I won't have any keys come August (it doesn't look like the XTH will be fixed by then, with the current rate of updates we're getting).  So yes, I am losing something by not having the chance to work for my reward.  I don't think it's mandatory that Anet gives some kind of reward to make up for the down-time, and I wouldn't go cry in my pillow and on every forum known to man if I didn't get anything, but I do think it would be a nice thing to do.  It's been down for way too long to simply brush under the rug and laugh it off.  [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali  18:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Tbh, if they'd do something about the ridiculous lag, it would be completely fine with me if they through threw all my RPs out a window. However....since that's doubtful....I'd like to get some points for the down-time. Karate  Jesus  18:40, 18 July 2009  (UTC)


 * Agreed. But Anet keeps swearing up and down that the wide-spread lag has nothing to do with them, and that the FA/JQ/AB wait times have nothing to do with them, so it doesn't look like they'll be doing anything about that.  [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali  20:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I still don't get that. Every other MMORPG I play has no lag problems...even after hours of gameplay. L4D has no problems. All my other programs and games have no lag problems. I've called my ISP several times about GW and they always say that it's not them..../sigh. Denial is great for corporations, but sucks for us. Karate   Jesus  13:38, 19 July 2009  (UTC)

If people were stupid enough to buy extra accounts for ingame wealth... guess that's why they are asking for compensation. It's epic, LOL. For all that's worth, keep it closed imo. (86.82.36.54 13:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * That's why they would keep the XTH open. Easy money for ANet. ~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 15:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

any updates on the XTH..! (anonymouse ip)
 * The answer hasn't changed since last month: when it's done. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali  00:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering, the Guild Wars skeleton krewe is already working at capacity, things get prioritized and XTH does not seem to be on the front burner. I do not hear any news or updates at all from ANet or its employees.  I hear rumblings from people who want to get rid of XTH for silly notions of jealousy, vanity, and ego.  It has been my opinion that the loudest chick in the nest gets the worm and I hope these anti XTH have not been chirping the loudest.  XTH has been a big part of the game for me.  I look forward to every month of predictions and observing the matches.  Looking over the guilds to see what they are running who is playing for who.  I really missed that part of the game last month and this month.  Of course I can still observe and follow it but without any sense of reward the thrill is just not there.  If XTH predictions goes, it will disappoint a lot of fans.--Esth 02:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless you're actually part of the crew, or near them (fly on the wall?), you don't know what's on the front burner any more than us. So the whole bird thing is just cuckoo talk. If they removed it for fixing, I'm pretty sure it's top priority. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My comments are from after reading Regina's July 7 journal entry, as well as the lack of comments thereafter on the XTH.


 * "One of the things the Live Team has been working on is much planning for future updates. This includes talking about features that we think should be included. We have had discussions about the Test Krewe, and what the game update schedule will be like with the Test Krewe involved. We have been working with other functional teams in the office to help create an infrastructure that will support our organizational needs for the Test Krewe. The team we're working with is not full time on GW1 so, their time is at a premium. Other discussion has pertained to Henchman in GvG, and technical and administrative logistics and planning behind that. Another project is Xunlai Tournament House. We're digging into the code for XTH. Know that we're continuing to plug away at it. Incidentally, the folks working on Xunlai, have been drafted in to help with this, meaning that they are not full time on GW1 either, so their time must be scheduled carefully as well." Regina's July 7, 2009 Journal Entry
 * From this I get that XTH is not "Top" priority but at the bottom of the listed current matters. --Esth 17:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The main bit of information from that quote is that we do not have one person who's sole job is to work on XTH. Like many in the company, people work on different projects at the same time. I did not give an indication of how it is being prioritized in comparison to other projects. As to the OP's question, regarding compensation for downtime, I've passed along your question for consideration and they'll evaluate it. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 18:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response Regina, I guess I took the ordering of the projects the wrong way. I also may have misunderstood the comment, "the folks working on Xunlai, have been drafted to help with this"  I thought that meant that people working the XTH, Xunlai, have been taken off the XTH project for other projects.--Esth 15:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Content update
Hello Regina, just a quick question; at the start of the year Anet informed the community of a switch in the way it would be supplying new content, with monthly skill updates and 3-4 monthly content updates, while at the same time increasing the communication between anet and the player base as to what updates were being worked on and roughly when the community could hope to receive them. As the last content update was at the end of april, this would put the next content update at the end of august at the latest, however their still has not been any dev update informing the community about this coming content, therefore I am just curious as to if the content update itself will be delayed past its expected august date or if it has instead been decided to provide this content as a surprise to the community in august and thus the lack of a dev update? -- Salome    16:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, would really be nice to get an answer on this soon. Even if it's just to the tune of "we're waiting on the new Feedback area to be opened" or some other silly technicality. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If they were wanting it to be a surprise....wouldn't that go against their new policy of more communication?
 * I'm assuming it will be delayed with one of the following excuses:
 * A) XTH is so broken that they have to devote all of their time to it.
 * B) Employees are too busy on GW2.
 * C) They forgot that they promised they would do one every 3-4 months and will delay it one month while they throw something together.
 * D) All of the above.
 * Karate  Jesus  03:30, 26 July 2009  (UTC)
 * Karate, I think everyone here is fully able to postulate what could happen, this is why I'm asking Regina. I am nbot saying I agree or disagree with your sentiments however Regina's answer can finally put an end to all the guessing and we can find out some actual details about what's happening, therefore if possible could we keep the "I think anet are gonna screw us because..." type posts to a bare minimum, as all it does is motivate wiki trolls and wiki fan bois to go on a flame war with each other and then the topic goes unanswered, gets archived or gets side tracked. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 07:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW wasn't it regina who said "there will be more communication between arenanet and the playerbase"? (just curious) --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 07:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was entered by Regina, yes, and I quote "We want players to feel connected to what we are developing even though it may be months away from release, so during development we will be more open about our process and what we are working on.". Not to nitpick buuuuut... when has that ever happened?  It's always 'when we have something more solid'... I gave up on mentioning this to Regina, it's a clear example of Arenanet saying one thing, and doing another.  000.00.00.00  07:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, what you want and what you can cannot always be the same. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 14:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That was from a developer update written by the development team. We have not forgotten about it. The team has been having discussions about future content updates, and of course those discussions are taking place while keeping that message in mind, but balancing that against what resources we have. You know that Linsey worked for months with no weekends, often working 80 or more hours per week and staying overnight at the office to get that update out the door. This is not a pace that Linsey can sustain forever. Because of the success of the update, we've been able to get resources to hire another designer. This will help Linsey so much with the workload. This hiring process has taken a while, but this is pretty normal when it comes to hiring. The team has high standards, and they've been looking for the most qualified and best candidates. Linsey is keenly aware of that messaging, and she knows that you want information. We just need to make sure that all our ducks are in a row before we discuss details in public. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 16:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So, not to nitpick, it should read something like: 'even though it may be weeks away from release'. Well, possibly a complete reword might be in order because, as it stands, what you've said is misleading to the natural state.  000.00.00.00  20:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, it should probably say, "even though it may be days from release". That would probably be more accurate (not sarcasm, btw).
 * So, from Regina's comments, I'm assuming that there will be no content update for August. We understand that you guys are struggling for staff, but tbh, I would have preferred it if you had just come out and told us sooner that you're shorthanded and the content update will be delayed until the [Blank] week of [Blank] month.
 * Hell, I just want clarity in general. I'd really love to know how the XTH is progressing as well. I'm ok with it being down 6 months, as long as you guys don't bullshit us up until a week before. Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:02, 27 July 2009  (UTC)
 * Well in my TBH opinion, it could be for the best, ASSUMING the person they hire actually takes Us (not me included, but the community itself) seriously and actually tries to maintain honest dialog with us like Linsey was before she got overwhelmed... And I'm sure that person will for the first few months, and everything will be Kumbayah land again with the new Feedback space as well.  But as soon as they return to the standard operating procedure of ignoring everyone like Izzy does, we're gonna be right back to square one so that's the real area where some guarantees are needed. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 01:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

So just as I thought we got sidetracked down the "anet doesn't talk to us! Anet Lies!" line of debate again, cheers for that guys. :( Really guys, all I really wanted to know is if we were getting an update in August or not, but instead you sidetracked Regina down a different avenue of debate and now we still don't know what's happening in August. I personally would love an update in August however Linsey and many others worked their arses off for the April update, to the point where I personally think it was detrimental to their health, and I would really rather the update be delayed by a few weeks/months than any anet staff do that amount of constant work. I have complete faith that what the Live team will deliver will be excellent, as they are talented and committed people. I only asked about August as many in game are currently getting all excited about an August content update and it would be a shame to have people checking every day for a big update which wasn't going to be released. This way I was just hoping to find out officially so we could start informing people the content update wasn't coming in August, if we had to, and thus avoid any disappointment for the player base. My intention however was not to give another forum for Boro and 000's to complain about anet. Really guys I see the pair of you on way too many posts on the devs talk pages, complaining about the same stuff over and over. I understand and appreciate that you both have concerns but hijacking other peoples questions by touching lightly on the OP's content and then diverging into an "ANET goes back on their word!" rant, is both unneeded and unwanted. Thus I'm asking nicely guys that if you have an issue with how anet has handled communication, you open your own question and express yourself that way please. -- Salome    06:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would rather they worked themselves to their graves to deliver the content update they promised; then ArenaNet will say "Oh dear! We had better hire more employees for the GW1 team, lest the same fate befall our next unwitting team members!" 99.144.231.221 09:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And that is just stupidity at it's finest.... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  09:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * wat iz this? I don't even... -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 09:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow 99 thats a pretty fucked up thing to say. =\ -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 09:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with you Salome. I'd like an honest answer on whether or not we're getting a content update in August, but I'd bet that Regina isn't allowed to give us an answer..... Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:44, 28 July 2009  (UTC)


 * If we are able to give info, we give info. At the moment, I've given you all the information that I'm permitted to give. -- Regina Buenaobra [[Image:User_Regina_Buenaobra_sig.png]] 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, called it. Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:09, 28 July 2009  (UTC)
 * You know, it would be interesting if, just for once, they go completely open for while, say about a particular chosen project, as a sort of test case, and see if such radical transparency actually causes all the nightmares and wailing that people say it does or if it actually promotes greater interactivity between Anet and the community. --Axwind 23:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yadda yadda yadda, bla bla bla, yadda yadda... (Think Sam and Max) We've heard this whole "not permitted" thing over and over a few too many.  Why is it that you're not "permitted" to say anything?  What's with all the secrecy?  It's not like you say some things and keep a few for a surprise (like with the April update, we knew about some features, and others came out of nowhere), now nobody says anything at all other than "we're working on things."  It gets to a point where people start to think that really you're not working on anything anymore, you just say you are.  I know that's not true, but I'm quickly losing my "good faith" in the team, there has been too much drama lately, and all this "we can't tell you anything" is just starting to get kind of bizarre, for the lack of a better word.  So, Anet, WTF ARE YOU DOING after all?  And if you can't tell, then why is that so?  [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali  00:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They're working on the XTH, removing heroes from GvG and HA, and the Test Krewe.....and....um, surely that's not it, right? Oh it is? Oh....you're playing WoW instead of working. Oh....ok, thanks I guess. Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:55, 29 July 2009  (UTC)
 * Name one industry in which the customer is entitled to know anything about the development of a yet-to-be released or yet-to-be announced product. Fact is, they don't have to tell us anything, just accept that and please, for the love of all that is holy, stop bitching. (Satanael 03:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC))
 * The reason you didn't get any feedback on april's update was because I was banned chilling out. I will make sure that I won't do the same mistake again. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 08:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Satanael, open source does it all the time. Anybody can see what's going on. And as such programs do do well (such as linux distros, for instance), transparency is not a bad thing. For example, I don't know if you're aware of the Netflix "make it 10% better" contest, but recently some groups finally broke that barrier - not by keeping to themselves and keeping their ideas secret, but by sharing them and collaborating and being open, which encouraged other groups to do the same in an effort to get ahead in the contest. Which is how true innovation should be. --63.106.124.254 18:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Open source is different. The people above are not angry because ANet does not let them help make the game or work directly on the game, as open source projects do, they are angry because ANet does not tell us anything about what they (ANet) are doing. The game is not open source and as such there is no obligation to tell us anything about it. (Satanael 20:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC))
 * You're right. They're NOT obligated to do shit. However, they have made statements....statements that have turned out to be lies or at the very least - falsehoods. For example, in a Dev Update we were told that we would be informed about future content updates "months ahead of time" and that those updates would be every "3-4 months". Well, it's almost the 4th month since the last one and we've heard nothing.
 * Like you said, they're not obligated to tell us anything; however, lying to us is just poor business ethically and financially. Karate  [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]]  Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:55, 29 July 2009  (UTC)
 * I was going to say as such but I didn't want to upset Salome. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  22:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LoL, NcSoft Marketing (I wonder how much money they'd save if they made that department "open source"?) -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 01:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)