User talk:Shard/Archive10

Void in my life (overreaction warning)
After the last update (skills) I had to vomit when I thought about guild wars and the 'typical' arenanet update. Now I can't (I just don't want to) play guild wars and I have absolutely nothing to fill the void that leaving guild wars caused. Boro 05:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Play another game? Honestly though the update wasn't half bad, at least for the PvP side of things.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 07:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * True. not counting the hexway side of things. (This morning I saw Tomb is SRS business guild in HA. They replaced their warriors with fire eles, and won halls) Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 11:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Even though sins is ugly, I agree with him fully here.

Quit friggin whining. Void in my life? Coughfuckingbullshit. How much nostalgia is clouding those foolish eyes of yours? Even in its prime, guildwars was far from a fantastic game. And you can find plenty of other better competitive mmos out there. Furthermore, guildwars is OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD(saysthewc3/jk2/chessplayerBUTUGETMYPOINT)Oni  16:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * uh, in its prime, guild wars was an amazingly unique and fun game, well worthy of the adjective "fantastic." I dunno when the hell you were playing, but gw didn't start sucking until some time after factions :/ - Auron 17:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oni is worse in logics than arenanet in balance Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 17:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You suck boro, begone.

Auron, I'm comparing guildwars in its prime to the current mmos NOW. If you take one of the newer mmos, they have better physics,graphics,balance,skills,story,gameplay,action,combat,concept ect.

Bottom line: don't be such a dramawhore. You just want to fucking whine like the other mainstream whiners. Guildwars is beyond repair. Or hell, even if it IS possible to fix atm (despite the ranks, pve money being worthless, ect), arenanet would NEVER work that hard to fix it. Stop crying, it wont change anything. Oni  21:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit: noticed that I typed was when I talked about guildwars, so it was my bad on that part auriepauriauronhunnieOni  21:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Apples and oranges, babydoll. You can't compare a game four years old to a modern game. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 06:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also GW can't be compared with any MMO-s simply because GW is not an MMO. It's a CORPG Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 12:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

which is my point, hun armond. He cant whine about it being a VOIIIID IN MY LIIIIIIIIFE, MY LIFE IS LOOOSING ITS WILL!!!!! When even at its prime, it cant even match up towards ANY good game which is released now, he can just pick up a copy of that and then permastfu. But he wont, because he is just about as ugly as sins.

Also, boro. COmpare it to a orpg then, tard >.<' It's the same effing deal. Diablo3hai2u?

Also, armondagain; WHYARENTYOUONMSNIMISSEDYOUSOMUCHHUNOni  14:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm stillz on teh MSN :D. Also, Boro ur bad. Worse than TSWDB. Who is ugly. That's really hard you know, but you're actually worse than TSWDB when he has just used LSD and starts frikkin out. I therefore think you are permanently stoned or something, IDK how you could be so bad otherwise. Dark Morphon 14:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is when I close the topic. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 15:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cuz ur bad and smelly. Take a shower please. Dark Morphon 15:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want me to take a shower don't fucking instareply me and give me a friggin 5-10 minutes! Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 15:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of people quit a long time ago. This game isn't as awesome as it seems when I ask myself "why are Adrin and Boro still playing when they obviously don't enjoy it." I definitely would not give anet the pleasure of thinking their game's absense will leave a void in your life. There is so much more the universe has to offer Boro--like sports, girls, friends, booze, nightclubs, following bands around the world...-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It was just a problem I had to handle. Moved on. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 16:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please take a shower. It's impossible for us to handle the smell. Dark Morphon 08:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop trolling idiot. FYI I had a shower. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 08:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Showering in fail-sauce won't make a difference. Dark Morphon 08:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Read NPA before posting. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 08:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a shower before posting. Dark Morphon 08:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can read morphon. Also I'd like to point out that there is no reason to continue this discussion, as the problem has been resolved. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 11:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so I noticed even C.A. got blocked for NPA's, I guess that means this fine specimen of humanity could be next? Bummer cuz it really takes all the air out of my case that the sysops are too lenient towards sycophants -- ilr  22:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly what has been resolved? You stopping to make stupid comments like these? I sure hope that. Now, if you don't remove comments from talk pages anymore that'd mean you might actually have learned something from this whole business. Dark Morphon 12:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lolkids [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  16:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * /crawling in my skin, these wounds they will not heal. --Trapinch 16:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Linkin Park ftl. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have Scarabs crawling around under my flesh; the pain is inconceivable. But you don't hear me constantly whining about it.  I would hazard a guess that this entire section qualifies as "unintelligent comments," which is why Shard hasn't bothered to respond.  Or maybe he's banned again.  Is he banned again?  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. He hasn't been blocked. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He's on vacation. His family went on a cruise.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wiki when I'm on vacation. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 21:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But you have no life. --Trapinch 21:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I try, but if he's on vacation, that's more than a good enough excuse. It's not like he's obligated to wiki or anything. I would take "He just doesn't want to wiki," as an answer. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  22:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he is litterally on a boat in the middle of nowhere. He's not going to be going on the internet anytime soon.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, emphasis on try. It's extremely hard to wiki while skiing or up on the slopes where there is no connection. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  22:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if he wasn't, it'd still be the story to stick to since this whole section is lamer than Obs'ing J.Q. ...I actually feel dumber today having read it. -- ilr  23:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no way you can feel any dumber than you already are. --Trapinch 12:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohlol: Trolling time #2! Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 12:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't you dare, Boroguy. Dark Morphon 20:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow. This was the most stupid discussion I read so far. Cya 30 mins of my life... *puts Shard off Watchlist* Titani   Ertan  User Titani Ertan Signature.JPG 04:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't put the :D on the end because I thought that the lol will be enough. :D Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 19:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm disappointed that some of you kept this going. You know who you are. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

!!!!FURTZZZZZ!!111111!!!!!

 * Grabs*-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * dammit -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 02:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thurd.--May 14, Dec 11, Epic fail anet, epic fail. 21:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

yurr userpage was funny a sec ago...
yea. i jsut got fixed idk....--May 14th, Dec 11, Epic fail. 00:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Read this please. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * sorry i had a different siggy a while ago. forgot to re hit the rawsignature button.--May 14th, Dec 11, Epic fail. 00:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Module
Do you want me to send the .erf's of Arcadia, or do you trust I made them look nice.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  23:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I took off the game that kept me off the interwebz, so when you come back from your trip, I will be on vent as normal and we can work on these new projects. I can give you Tony's email too, so we can get him involved.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Would you happen to know how to go about making a build like template on this wiki?
Thanks if you do.-- -Du dw  tf-  02:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think some of those already exist, but I don't know what they are. Search for it.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Your welcome~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 03:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PvX mimic --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 04:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty all-- -Du dw  tf-  23:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PvX mimic --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 04:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty all-- -Du dw  tf-  23:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thought you would like to read this.
Enjoy. - L ena™   talk 20:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Offensive language is one thing, and ANet's lawyers could probably parse even the thickest contradictions through the eye of a needle. Shard's ban however is obviously something else entirely which would incriminate a whole group of people almost to the tune of CCP's 'cheating Devs Scandal' and therefore we'll never learn the truth so we might as well just give up on proving it. After all, The real "sting" in all of it to the people responsible for it, is that Nothing of real value was lost by our intrepid hero.  Half a decade of their lives wasted on something that fizzled while they struggle for the next half a decade trying NOT to repeat the same mistakes they seem fated to make anyway...   So sit back, strap in, and enjoy the ride.  It's High Comedy until they get over their pride (Spoiler Alert: which...they...never...will ...at this rate ). -- ilr  01:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of us know the truth.~>Sins  WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 04:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And it hell damn isn't you. (trying to be poetic yeye) Dark Morphon 15:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he does know...I assure you, sorry to allow your waxing poetic to fail.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 17:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck you Yasmin, you don't know the truth either you Shard fanboi. Dark Morphon 13:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Real mature^^. Yasmin has seen with her very own eyes the evidence that anet is actually biased, you haven't, so kindly show yourself out and stop embarrassing yourself. Your childish hostility towards a perfectly reasonable person clearly shows that you aren't quite so capable of logic and understanding of the situation as you credit yourself to have. Pika Fan 13:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet being biased is the truth? Oh pardon me, that's obvious. I thought you were talking about the truth of life or something philosofic like that. Dark Morphon 14:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yasmin is anything but a Shard fanboi, trust me on this. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Prove it, cause I haven't seen Yasmin disagreeing with Shard a single time. I'd say that's pretty fanboi-ish behavior. Dark Morphon 15:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just take my word on this - you don't know what you're talking about. You'd do well to drop this.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  16:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would love to, but that would involve disclosing portions of dialogue that I'm not at liberty to discuss. If you want firm proof, take it up with Yasmin, if you just don't want to believe me, then don't, no one is forcing you. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Dark Morphon, because of your selective reading "capability", you only chose to see the parts where YP sided with Shard. Before you actually shoot your mouth off, or in this case hands, you might want to actually do your homework and flip through her contribs before making such a blatantly false accusation. No one is going to spoonfeed you with the evidence; you are old enough(I sincerely hope) to make sure your accusations are firmly backed up with proof. Pika Fan 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Some things also happen behind the curtain where the public hopefully can't see what's going on. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that I can agree with Shard's reasons does not make me a fanboi...I have, on many occasions, stated that his methods are not in the best taste. As for the "fanboi" status, Shard...or should I say Travis, the person I actually know him as, is a close, real life friend of mine. And yes, I will always support my friends who I care about dearly. Thanks to all of you here who do not lump me into a catagory of "She's one of them trouble makers" when I am clearly not, those who take the time to actually read what I say. Not all of you get to see both sides of what he and Adrin say and so. I try my best to fill in the gaps of that information. And we do disagree sometimes, see here: [] -- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 18:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Morphon's just resorting to NPA violations because he doesnt have his Oni anymore to help back him up on his immaturity. Maybe one day he'll realize he's headed down the same road. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 22:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, without Oni around trolling just isn't as much fun. Dark Morphon 10:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, without Oni around being immature just isn't as much fun. Corrected. Pika Fan 10:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And you wouldn't say that's immature behavior? You are being just as bad Pikaguy. Dark Morphon 10:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Correcting others isn't being immature; it's being a prat nitpicker, or obssessed with details. Insulting and telling people to fuck off for no reason is immature, though. Pika Fan 11:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I'll just refrain from things like that then. This discussion isn't going anywhere anyway. Dark Morphon 12:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

New vent
i emailed it to u through wiki -- adrin  22:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wanna talk to you guys sometime through Vent/Skype. :o - L ena™  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 02:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Adrin can email it to you. We should all be on tonight.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 20:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Raine said we could use hers (as we are somewhat in that guild), that's where I'll be. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 21:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll log in tonight. I feel better knowing I have a site lined up for work...so I won't be under the weather today. Yay I can actually enjoy my sims.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Come on MSN while your out and about Shard. I want to talk to you.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * One of you gib me the vent info. .____. - L ena™  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 12:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Open letter to Shard
I never got to know you very well. I've played with you less times than fingers on one hand. Even so, you intrigued me - another non-shitter on the wiki, another person who knew that obs mode was the way to prove that a skill is powerful, not bullshit theorycrafting. That knowledge combined with your humor originally drew me to you - I was more friendly to you than I am to most people. I could overlook a bit of trolling here or there (IMO, the right kind of trolling keeps standards from dropping too low), but I never really rested easy with you. When it came time to stop talking, stop trolling, and just sit and listen, you never would. When people challenged your arguments and logic, you would often respond with personal attacks instead of even a summary of why they were wrong. Because of all that, you were blocked from editing the wiki many times. I even stuck up for you when I thought you were wrongly blocked, even though that was mostly your poor attitude and bad reputation working against you. But I really can't do it anymore. I've gotta say, in my three years of playing GW, I've been banned less than 5 times, none of them for any real length of time. Yet I've done some pretty serious shit and pissed some people off (I dunno if I showed you the pictures, but Gaile was trying to give a dev chat thing in Kamadan and I kept spamming "swastikas" to piss people off - I didn't get banned for it). To get banned many times, to rack up such a bad record that you even stand a chance to be permabanned... that means you're really failing to grasp something. I mean, you keep going on about your block like they blocked you for one silly thing - that's ridiculous! They've blocked you for everything you've ever done and all the shit you will undoubtedly continue to do. I don't think you're nearly as egocentric as Lena, so you might have a chance to realize your mistake... but really, you're just another player. If you're going to be a huge pain the ass, you're going to be removed. That's just how it works. Guild Wars is their universe, not a democratic state where you can stand up and wave flags and get them to unban you. It's time you realized that. It's sad that you got banned - partly because, towards the end, they probably were monitoring your chat logs, but also because you failed to see it coming. There's only so much abuse people can take before they snap. In The Art Of Trolling, chapter 6, you learn to look out for those signs so you stop before they blow up on you - but that was the one chapter you seem to have missed. Either way, just drop it. You were stupid. You trolled poorly. You got banned. You kept doing it. You got perma-banned. Cause and effect, y'know? It isn't Gaile's fault you got banned, and it isn't Gaile's fault you're still banned. Some fat 30-something-year-old /b/tard sitting in his mom's basement and looking through hundreds of game tickets per day is probably responsible for it - we'll never know. But it isn't an issue that needs to see the light of day on this wiki. You know what support's email is. I daresay they know what yours is. If you want to plead your case to Gaile, do so privately - but everyone's had quite enough of your shit here on the wiki. I don't want you to leave the wiki forever, but I do want you to stop pestering ANet about you being banned because you were stupid. I have no say in what the arbcomm (if they are called) will do or mandate. I hope it isn't a harsher punishment than is deserved. At this point, however, there isn't anything I can do to stop it - I can only ask you, from one troll to another, to stop digging your grave deeper. - Auron 11:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for a well written letter. I'm doing this on the wiki for one real reason: Anet has never responded to my emails (they haven't even long before I was banned) and support stopped replying to my single ticket a few weeks ago, so those are channels not available to me.
 * I don't really want my account back, I have 2 more (though I still never play). I don't want to endanger the wiki - it's a great tool, I don't want to piss off Emily, so I'm keeping all of my discussions in appropriate places.
 * If you haven't figured this out, I'm the kind of person who needs to know everything. I need to know why Gaile wanted me banned (I can only guess) and I need to know why support lied about both the reasons for the ban and for denying that it was coming. I kept it to private channels as long as I could, but it's clear by how serious they are about customer support that they would rather have it out in public.
 * So on a final key, are you getting Diablo 3 or StarCraft 2? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh, do you really think SC2 is going to be as competitive as the original? The way I hear it, Bli$$ard's gonna be pullin' a fast one (some predictions put cumulative "cost" of ownership for every chapter of the game over $150!) with this crap about releasing each "campaign" one at a time.  And I'm afraid I have even less confidence in them than I have in Anet or VALVe so I don't see any way you could avoid more of this "Power-Creep Fluctuation" cycle we've seen in GW unless SC2 launched with ALL of the units it was meant to have at the end of all 3 or 4 campaigns coming out and no new units or abilities were added along that expansion period.  Is this just rumors or real Red flags? -- ilr  02:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "SC2 will sell each campaign separately"


 * Thanks for ruining any chances I had at sleeping soundly tonight :( I can understand paying big money for a game if it's really the shit (lol, GW probably cost more over time), but that's... asking for too much Vespene gas. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 02:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company, i'm sure they're doing fine. As for sc2, i'll pay whatever it costs to play it. SC2 will sell millions of copies because it has a fan base that actually likes the game. 11 years running and people still playing it competitively? Talk about a good franchise. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 02:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And now I play to role of the doomsayer. If Blizzard's balance work with World of Warcraft is a trend that will continue, then it's all gloom and doom for Blizzard and future Star Craft 2 expansions. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  04:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * @ilr: Brood War kept the original game balanced, @lupen: the StarCraft team isn't the World of Warcraft team. They're all separate teams! :) DarkNecrid 04:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Factions team was a separate team, and I can't say anyone appreciated that. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't say many PvPers appreciate the WoW team either. DarkNecrid 04:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * @DarkNecrid: Shard filled me in on the Star Craft 2 team over MSN shortly after I posted that. X) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The battle reports just show the SC2 isn't a rip off...its a major upgrade. The fact that Blizzard and the SC2 crew have shown us the game every step of the way just confirms that they a.) really care about their product, b.) care about their fan base enough to involve them in the game's creation and c.) have something to show verifying a quality item.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lies! They haven't shown us everything every step of the way! Ok, now I'm splitting hairs... Little known fact, Star Craft started as a Warhammer 40,000 RTS before Games Workshop pulled the rights, and so Blizzard covered their tracks so they would have to scrap as little as possible. You could argue that Star Craft is ripping off WH40k, but Star Craft 2 mush less so. Kudos to Blizzard with how they are handling Star Craft 2, even if their business model for it looks like a money-grab attempt and that it's taking so long, but hey, a polished game takes time. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if that specific fact is little known, the influence is obvious and acknowledged in the credits. Misery  15:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah! Learn new things every day. I didn't read the credits. X) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Its like Jim Cameron and Harland Ellison.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O.o I don't know who either of those are, would you mind filling me in? &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  15:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

To Jon; MMOs and RTSs aren't the same. Balance for one is a totally different endeavor than balancing the other. I would have thought that obvious, but evidently you overlooked it. On a mostly unrelated note, I don't think anyone has balanced an MMO even remotely well. WoW isn't half bad when you look at the "competition." - Auron 16:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware they aren't the same thing. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * By most accounts GW was balanced pretty well back in the Proph days, or so I seem to recall. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 16:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ritualists were terrible during Prophecies. Misery  16:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But they were better than Misery since he started trolling this wiki.
 * Sick burn. Misery  16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * GW wasn't an MMO back in the proph days, either. - Auron 16:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone mentioned Broodwars. IIRC, that was so far back that User:Mike O'Brien was still there with Pat & Jeff ...when things started coming apart at the seams was around WarcraftIII's development and the Announcement of WoW (Doesn't anyone remember those fucking no-skill Hunter-Rushers being near the top of the LADDERS when it debut'd??).  Yeah that was about the time I got disillusioned with Bli$$ard too.  I mean it's FINE for a smaller studio to just come out and say "Hey guys, we got shit planned and we really need some extra cash" and most of their customers should be more than happy to help support it.  But they can't claim that, ...not when they've almost single-handedly floated all of Vivendi during a Market Crash.... -- ilr  19:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Jim Cameron = James Cameron who wrote and directed The Terminator. The film features the hero, Kyle Reese going back in time from 2029 to 1984 to save Sarah Connor. Supposedly, that part of the story was "similar" to two stories by sci-fi writer Harland Ellison "Soldier" and "Demon with the Glass Hand" that appeared on "The Outer Limits", who wrote the stories for the show "The Twilight Zone". Ellison got pissed at Cameron and tried to sue, forcing Cameron to put a snip in the ending credits of the movie about Elison's works.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

ANet's Support Failures
Good Stuff. Also thanks for making it easily accessible. I'm wondering how long it takes them to ban links to non-specified forums lol. Awesome nontheless.~>Sins  WDB 06:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I always knew ANet was biased, bad at what they did, and generally an assholey company in general. But if I'd had any idea it was this bad I would've never bought the game.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 06:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The only thing I can do to avoid bans is not to committing anything. No racial slurs, nowhere. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 11:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OMG SHARD, WHY DON'T YOU MAN UP AND POST ZoS' SIDE OF THE STORY TOO?
 * ...is what I would say if I had a care level in the positives. A lol post anyway. Thanks for brightening up my day. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 21:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What is Zos' side of the story? They wanted me banned and... made cookies after it happened? Most of this has nothing to do with zos, I just had to establish Fall's place.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 23:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are we still rowing over this? Jesus, is there a drought on conversation topics?-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yasmin if you are ingame then will you be so kind to ask any of those ZoS members about me. Just want to avoid biased ban. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 18:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't hang out with ZoS people anymore so I can't really help you Boro.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It may have something to do with the fact that your name shows up in the guild message in the screenshot. 145.94.74.23 06:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It probably has more to do with the fact that she no longer plays. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * @ IP. I'm charmed. Any publicity is great publicity. Thank's for the attention.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

just a left note
I'm not playing NWN because I'm playing Baldur's Gate 2. Boro 12:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet, I still have mine and I've been trying to get yasmin to play it (and the first one) with me. I'll keep bugging her about it.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

-- adrin  02:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Take your heresy and blaspheming elsewhere, Adrin. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 06:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The game's not *that* old...-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That mage seems to hate his speech bubble: He is using flaming hands on it. (or Agannar's fire) Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 18:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly, he is attempting to use Power Word: Compatibility Mode, but he forgot to dispel Vista's Curse first. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube Video
You mentioned a youtube video here. I kinda missed the discussion about it, so may I ask what it was about? 145.94.74.23 06:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that was Wasabi's team getting rick rolled in HA, or maybe that was Adrin who posted that one. Nvm I can't recall lol.~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 06:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I got banned for linking in game to the video of wasabi getting wiped in HA. Apparently game footage is "inappropriate content." ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No...it was because the video featured "Shitway" as the title and we used cuss words in it. That's why it was deemed innapropriate.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Those things were said in chat. I just blew them up.  Zoomed in game footage is still game footage.  It's not like I put porn in it or anything.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lolz. It probably got an adult rating on youtube didn't it? 145.94.74.23 06:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, why don't you go check? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did and it hasn't. 145.94.74.23 10:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wondering... Where can I view this clip? Can you supply me a link to it on youtube, please. :) - L ena™  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 11:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear God.... Wow... I just saw it........ And wow.... - L ena™  [[Image:User_Lena_Sig.png]] talk 12:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard and i both got banned @ the same time (again) for posting a link to it in all chat. seems like wasabi's a ban magnet. anyway, when i contested it, the support guy said, the video contained inappropriate language. why would you think posting a video like that is any better then saying the language in local chat? LoL except that the person has to decide to click on the link themselves. there's quite a diff between tinyurl.com/300fyx and saying Wasabi Loses to SHITWAY. zzz cykor. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 12:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, so linking to child pornography in game would be fine? He doesn't HAVE to follow the link. Ok. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they don't HAVE to follow the link. Thanks for proving my point. What i was posting verbatim was Check out wasabi getting rolled in 41 seconds! www.tinyurl.com/djisa22 if they didnt wanna see it they didnt have to click on it, like you said -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 12:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Click to see an eight year old girl screaming as her father plows her from behind! www.tinyurl.com/djisa22 <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thats offensive to say even without a link. My point is i was advertising something that people can choose to watch or not. Plus it's not illegal to link something proving how bad wasabi is.... wait, maybe it is -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 12:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My point is your logic is really bad. It's also a breach of GWW:NPA to link to an external site that contains personal attacks. Linking to offensive material in game can result in bans, that's perfectly reasonable. I haven't watched the video, so I can't comment on whether or not it has contents that would breach the EULA if posted in game, but in this instance Cykor's reasoning is sound and your reasoning is not. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was saying I was lol'ing at the fact that cykor said it's the same thing to say the language in local chat as to link to a site. i dont agree with that. -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 12:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Article 1 of the Guild Wars Rules of Conduct:
 * While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
 * I'm not defending anything Wasabi has done, as I don't believe for a second that he's any more innocent than you, but spamming anywhere in the game is technically "causing unwanted attention" (and borderline harassment) that impedes the enjoyment of another player. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 12:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think shard's talk pages have more eula quotes in them then any other page on the wiki aside from the eula itself. maybe they should link his user talk to guildwars.com -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 12:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha. More people probably see/read them here than on the actual website itself! o_O -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 12:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To all of you who wish to know what this discussion's about: here's a link. 145.94.74.23 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Careful, or a sysop will ban you for linking to an external site containing personal attacks. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're probably right. But I'm not sure it's allowed to edit or remove your own comments on someone else's talkpage. 145.94.74.23 13:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The title of the video said "Shitway"...that violates the EULA. Stop warping the facts. And we were cussing in the video. They have the right to get after you for that...regardless of the video being about Wasabi. Get over it, both of you. Everything has already been said and you aren't winning anything here. Take your crusade elsewhere...as in directly to Anet's corporate office.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And don't leave those nice Gatling miniguns at home. Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 15:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "I stuffed a bitch in gym class and made her cry, pussy" is not a violation of EULA. I'm hard-pressed to find anything in the video worse than that.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  17:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If adrin had the option to be a space marine then this would happen:

Boro 18:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Misery: You're getting GW and wiki confused: Guild Wars doesn't have an NPA section in its EULA. In fact, I can prove this even without looking through the EULA.  Go in game, call me a faggot (or whichever attack you'd prefer), I'll report you, you won't get banned. Linking to offensive material is against EULA, and I linked to game footage.  Think about that. I never got banned for the things I said in that video, I got banned only for the video itself. Think about that for a few minutes.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say your actions come under harrassment, but I don't care enough to quote the EULA at you. I'm sure there is something in there that prevents your actions, because they essentially ban everything. I was just pointing out that linking to offensive content is widely considered to be the same as saying that content directly. <font color="#A55858">Misery  20:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not true...Adrin is a pacifist and a pretty mellow guy in real life.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 21:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your indent indicates you were responding to me, but I don't recall questioning Adrin's character in game or in real life. I'm a tad confused. I was mostly talking to Shard in my last response, but generally speaking I am referring to the admitted action of providing the link. <font color="#A55858">Misery  15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Boro's drawing of Adrin shooting people postal style. I should add, that drawing is Adrin's desk top picure.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you fit that onto the huge screen he has? Doesn't it look stretched?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Evidence for Morons
If it was worth the time and effort, you could make an astounding case against ANet (legally, that is). A shame it's not, and the hole they're digging just keeps getting bigger. King Neoterikos 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The most I could sue for would be less than the costs of the trial, so it's not worth it. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If it were me, I'd send a letter saying I was going to sue and wash them flush several thousand USD down the toilet just preparing a response, then when they were ready tell them I was just trolling. That's just me though.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 03:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that a good lawyer would be able to dispute it's authenticity and source, so I doubt it would hold up in court. But for an internet community, it's solid enough. 145.94.74.23 06:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The source is ArenaNet and the authenticity is already as solid as possible. Thanks for trying though. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that the witness report by itself would have little value in a court of law and would likely encourage further investigation (like inspection of the ZoS guild chat logs and/or Gaile's whispers). I wasn't talking about you photoshopping or fabricating eveidence, I just meant that it likely wouldn't be enough. The e-mails however, are a different story since they provide more (firsthand) information. Please stop assuming that I'm questioning your integrity, because I'm trying to assume good faith. I'm just questioning the amount of evidence. So far, it consists of 1 screenshot and a couple of rewritten e-mails. A lawyer would have no problems discrediting that, even excluding the possibilities of forgery. 145.94.74.23 10:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The costs would outweigh the benefits, really. That's probably the only reason why this has yet to happen. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 17:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard could pick up a law book and act as his own attorney (though it's typically frowned upon, it's perfectly legal). Then the benefits outweigh the costs! :D  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  17:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A good law book probably costs as much as a good lawyer. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 17:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
 * That being said, law books have considerably more resale value than lawyers (who typically have ~0). [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  18:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (since this conversation is going nowhere) But a good lawyer can yield some profit disguised as "grievances." --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Grievances are easy steals. "I lost my account, and as such had to spend money on (1) another game, (2) car mileage to *get* said other game, and (3) added electrical to run my CD drive to install said other game.  This amounted to no more than $100 US; I demand $10,000 US for the grievances."  Unless it's a really epic drive (or a really epic CD drive O.o), I think it's strong profit.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  18:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Angry fan boiz base sending death threats is a really shitty consequence, tho. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 18:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're ever lost in the woods and need to start a fire, I bet you'll wish you had those death threats. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  18:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be easier to just wish for a flamethrower. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But will representing yourself in a case against ANet get you a flamethrower? [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  18:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ...that would depend entirely upon how much I win. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have something for you...
... that you would LOVE to see. Email me when you get the chance, please. - L ena™   talk 11:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * here's something else for you

-- adrin  20:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Kinda hard to vote no for you if you're not on the list yet. People like me can't control the interwebz. Titani   Ertan  User Titani Ertan Signature.JPG 19:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I need your pr0skillz.
I'm trying to run TexMod, but McAfee (bloody worthless) is telling me that it's preventing a trojan every time I try to run a package. While it's possible that every TexMod download link has a trojan attached to it, I strongly doubt that that's the case. Do you know of anyone who's had similar problems, or is this unique to me?  Raine  - talk  23:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * McAfee usually detects texmod as a trojan (it changes how another program works). Just give it the ok or make an exception, for it.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

McAfee has automatically blocked and removed a Trojan. About this Trojan Detected: PWS-Mmorpg.gen (Trojan), PWS-Mmorpg.gen (Trojan) Location: C:\Users\Jonathan Meriwether\AppData\Local\Temp\wtfEC30.tmp Trojans appear as legitimate programs but can damage valuable files, disrupt performance, and allow unauthorized access to your computer.
 * It would be sweet if there were a "This isn't a Trojan, kthx" option. -_________-
 * After a bit of looking, I came across the "edit Trusted Lists" form. The thing about that is, there's no "Add Trusted Program" option.  There's a "remove" option, yeah - but how the hell is anything supposed to get on the bloody list?  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  02:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I got rid of McAfee and got Avast (which is only annoying when it says "Virus database has been updated" once daily). See if you can disable McAfee long enough to get Texmod and GW open, then put it back up while both are running. (do this as a last resort if you still cant find exceptions) ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, you can turn off the sound on Avast (I also found it very annoying). There's a setting in one of the options menus. Freedom Bound 11:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Avast scares the crap out of me when I'm playing the sims...I get all lost in my world and then I hear that terrible voice.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you freedom. Peace at last.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Brave Players
Choose Random as their favorite race -- adrin  04:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Brave players drop a Barracks in Detraya's base and swarm him from behind with marines midway through the game. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They also surround his entire base with photons cannons and finish him with probes -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 04:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes they use 2 vultures to kill 10 of his zealots while he wasn't looking. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Real brave players rush zerg with their default SCVs in tournament mode. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 05:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen some korean guy win doing that. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * pr0 koreans ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LMAO, he probably shoulda built that stupid bunker near the Spawning Pool instead AND then went back for his expansion -- ilr  23:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

my beginning ideas
Heya Shard, I was wondering if you could check out | My Balance Ideas. Right now, I only have eles, but I would like to start adding other classes. Please give me some feedback! --<font color="Black">D AV  A   19:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

stalkerrrrr
Shard, you're evil and i hate you D: Vili &#x70B9; 05:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, you're so sweet. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it when people stalk me, it makes me feel wanted. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 12:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

i'm still pissed about that pizza
i'm never buying pizza from raley's again. chunks in the sauce, friggin r-tarded -- adrin  09:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Why should you have to do all the chewing?  They should just grind the pizza up into a smoothie and funnel it into your face.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 09:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * i did liquid pizza as a new product idea for my civics class. we made a commercial and everything, it was pro -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 07:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's only pro if you make money. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

trying to delete user and talk page not playing anymore
I am trying to delete and cancel my userpage and talk page, my account completely i am not playing anymore, but can't find how to do it.-- Herhun 05:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't delete your talk page, but you can archive it. I've showed you how to do that on your talk page. I'd be glad to do it for you if you'd like.
 * You can, however, request your user page to be deleted. I will add the delete tag for you. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * yes i would like it deleted and i don't know how to archive and theres no need to archive if i am not playing anymore--User Herhun sig.png Herhun 05:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a policy that exists just in case anything important happened there. I've tagged your user page for deletion, but your talk page must keep its history (it can be blank as long as you have archived everything).  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ok thats fine but like i said i dont know how to archive and my wife wants hers deleted also she did the same thing i did here is her link as well User Hisbabe sig.png Hisbabe.niether of us know how to archive or delete our user pages. thank you.--User Herhun sig.png Herhun 06:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've archived your page and riddle has archived your wife's page. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ok thank you when will our pages actually be deleted?--User Herhun sig.png Herhun 06:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

deleting my user and talk page
My husband said i needed to talk to you about having my user and talk page removed. we are not playing anymore and have no need for them now. I see he has already talked to you.-- Hisbabe 06:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your main pages can be tagged for deletion. I've already tagged your husbands and will do yours now.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ok thank you we couldn't figure out how to do it.--User Hisbabe sig.png Hisbabe 06:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 06:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

An honest inquiry
Are you trying to get yourself permabanned? Vili &#x70B9; 07:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't even do anything! ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lies! Posting a question and posting here is doing something. :) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  07:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't do anything wrong!!! ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer my honest question. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 07:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * NOW that's more like it. :) Being specific is good, no? &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  07:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If I was trying to get permabanned, I'd say "hell yeah" on Gaile's page. It's worthy of an in game permaban, so it must be just as bad on the wiki, right?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose that could be considered all-chat...but the problem is that it wouldn't be just you and your friends/guildies that see it. So you'd probably get let off. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 07:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck yeah it could. 99.151.139.100 07:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * so if i curse in Email this user chat will i be safe? -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 07:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

As a courtesy
I'm notifying you of this. I suspect you are probably watching the AN anyway, but this is somewhat more direct notification. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are thou making false claims in the wiki, eh Shard?--ShadowFog 13:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was asleep, so thanks misery. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 20:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are they trying to hit Shard with the permaban hammer? --Tha Reckoning 07:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that would please some people, but it won't come to that. If anything, they'll just decree that if I post on gaile's page (maybe some other pages), I get banned for like 6 months or something.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why they would do that, I realize now that I was relatively uninformed until I read your archives. --Tha Reckoning 07:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Gaile asked me to stop posting on her page and I refused, so I'm on the arbitration board now :/ ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wiki is public, anyone can post, isn't that the nature of it? Maintained by the players, and such? --Tha Reckoning 07:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Who died and made gaile lord of all things GW anyway? --Tha Reckoning 07:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought, but apparently when you do something against Gaile's wishes, it's harassment. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's operating on the assumption that anyone at ANet is competent, reasonable, polite or capable of acting like an adult and not taking things on the internet seriously, which is obviously quite flawed. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're someone who thinks I'm a troll, I can see how it looks like harassment.
 * Also, stop making that new messages thing pop up whenever I click on a page. It annoys me. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, email me your vent info then =D --Tha Reckoning 07:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey.
I'm running late for trig, so I'll make this fast.

Wake up. Here's some coffee. Have a cookie, they're those fruit-filling types. Pack your bags, it's time for you to go.

Obviously you're up on arbcom... again. You shouldn't be there. You know as well as I do that whatever arbcom decides will be either a permaban or equivalent.

You also know, or should, that you're liable to face six months just to try to get you to realize that the wiki is actually serious business - before arbcom makes their decision.

If you had kept all your anti-ANet shit in your userspace, none of this would have happened. Auron does it that way for a reason.

Basically, you have three options open for your future here. Either you get smacked with the six month, you get perma'd by arbcom, or you leave willingly. The odds, at this point, that arbcom won't ban you and thus you'll have time to reform to the "standards of the community" or whatever are pretty much nil. Guess which option I'm encouraging you to take.

You have a forum - use it for the purposes you use this wiki. The big advantage is, over there, no one cares what you do. Here, people bitch and complain because you're not social enough and eventually get you banned. Make that forum your new userspace, bitch about how ANet is bad and point out the good points of both ANet and other companies - you'll have at least one reader there, as I could use the information later in life.

Re-read Auron's letter above; he's pretty much right. He has two points - "you were stupid and it's your own fault" and "I don't want you gone, I want you not stupid".

You've probably not broken any policies here - well, no more than Auron, Raine, Vili, or I - but, unfortunately for you, sysop discretion means you don't have to in order to be banned. And, well, if it's gotten to the point where Auron thinks you're doing something wrong and wants you to change the way you bash on ANet, you're probably doing something wrong.

I hate to say it, but realistically, this is probably your last warning. I just wanted it to come from someone you knew.

-- Armond Warblade 14:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a better idea Shard, use your remaining time to start /or/ advertise a Community Blog like my Friends from City of Heroes did when their official forums got taken over by a Nazi-Moderation Cabal (ironically, we had our own "Gaile" named "Niviene"). It may not get as much traffic, but you'll be doing the rest of us a huge favor by giving us a fall-back position whenever we get inevitably b& for non-policy "Offenses". -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I have to thank you for the advice, but honestly, I knew I was going to be on arbitration two months ago, not because of my posts. The Bcrats know I make contributions to the wiki; I only cause trouble on Gaile's page, which like Auron has said to me many times, makes me look bad. I would be very, very surprised (and disappointed) if they decided a permaban was needed. I'm not some retard troll like Igor who causes trouble to cause trouble. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, why the heck hasn't Igor gotten the boot yet anyway? At least you and I can argue some legitimate contributions (more in your case than mine) to defend our trolling (or, in my case, I'll be honest and just say blatant disregard for policis and concensus), but he's only got 8 main namespace contributions and at least 2 of them were vandalism.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

MSN
Will I see you on it tonight? &mdash; Jon    Lupen  22:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

ArbComm
I'm quite sure you've noticed by now that the ArbComm about you has been accepted and is currently being considered. I'd like to ask that you put forward a statement there, addressed to the arbitration committee (that is, direct your comments to the three bureaucrats, not at Gaile and not at supporters or detractors on the talk page). What you believe is the center of the conflict, what steps if any you've taken to try to resolve them, what you think of the situation, desired outcomes, that sort of thing. Whatever you feel needs to be said for people to understand your side of the story, so to speak. Of course, if you prefer to say nothing, that's your call. I'll be asking the same of Gaile. - Tanetris 21:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heheh, yeah get out der an' soft-shoe fo da people, Shard. Gots ta act like none a dis is comin' from the same circlejerk, no Sir ain't no hidden-hands heyarh, just a buncha hard workin' PoPo sufferin' along like the resta us doin they jobs... an' when they tell ya to jump, ya betta ax them how high!  Yes'Sa! We's a jumpin Mista Bossman! ...aw Lawrdy, dis oppression satire sho is killin' me inside D: -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 22:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * *BLAM*  The illiterate rebellion has been quashed.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * your edit conflicted with mine ^^ was about to revert for unreadable english... Elephant 22:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I read it just fine, after a tad of figuring and getting the hang of it. Shard, just don't break anything, or anyone. >.> &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  23:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone translate ILR's text pls if it was more than mindless trolling. (no offense) Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 07:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heheh, yeah, get out there and soft-shoe for the people, Shard. You have to act like none of this is coming from the same circlejerk (?). No sir, there are no hidden-hands here, just a bunch of hard-working PoPo (police), suffering along like the rest of us, doing their jobs. And when they tell you to jump, you had better ask them how high! Yes, sir! We're jumping, Mister Bossman! ...aw Lordy, this oppression satire sure is killing me inside. D: 99.144.229.95 08:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's quite easy to read when you realize ilr is speaking as though he is a pre-Civil War slave (or, more accurately, a stereotypical pre-Civil War slave). -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 17:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Euros may not be familiar with such a dialect massa. <font color="#A55858">Misery  17:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We usually (corrected) speak/write in properly learned english. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 20:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That... didn't make any sense. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * *busts up into a fit of LULZ* CHILDRENS DO LEARN!...

and No, this isn't some racist Jim-Crow Stereotype. Since most people FAIL at Satire, I'll explain: The only point of this offhanded comment was to make light of how Y-SO-SRS everyone is taking this silly little issue --> in a Chappelle/Boondocks manner. Infact the entire creation of this Arbitration process *cough*witchhunt*cough* has the Dubious appearance now of being for the sole purpose of perma banning Shard just because he has too many "followers". Which in and of itself actually gives him MORE Notoriety than having so many "followers" ever did. Seriously... if he was just another face in the crowd, saying these exact same things, nothing on this drama-scale would have taken place. It cheapens NcSoft' Support's image to even be so passionately involved in this and it just cements the opinions that <name Redacted> and <name Redacted> have something to hide. And it will just make this wiki look like fanboy-central when he's Banned for this. Infact I got half a mind to save/cache EVERYTHING here and then document the entire ridiculous event on Encyclopedia Dramatica b/c their GW page is really Starved for LuLz. -- ilr  00:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually the point of the arbcomm is to NOT permaban Shard. He can pretty much be perma'ed by any willing sysop for disruption at this point, but he hasn't. The arbcomm will more than likely just put ductape on his mouth in regards of where and what to post (with an "or else" clause), but i seriously doubt it will end on a ban.--Fighterdoken 00:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You really think this whole thing is anything but pathetic on both sides? --76.25.207.171 00:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just a bunch of kids on the playground trying to be big. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  00:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I call bs.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk   00:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no doubt, it's definitely some pathetic BAWWWS on both sides. Just look at Shard's "friends" 'losing faith' in him because he's "not growing up fast enough".  It's that "Troll's Remorse" that I'm criticizing the loudest.  I feel dirtier than usual just commenting on it so I think I'm going to stop commenting now and just go into Archivist mode (assuming someone doesn't try to attack My credibility next and drag me into it).  GL and HF kiddies! -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 00:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

izzy photoshop
where are your photoshopped izzy/arenanet pictures? --Boro 19:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

More Appropriately Posted Here Than My Page
I am apologizing formally for screwing up. The way I went about explaining my point on the arbcomm talk indeed was not how I should have done so. It totally makes you look like a bad guy, because I stayed on the course of how to get around securities due to the fact that wiki's have penetrable security. I painted a negative image by only pointing out that you could get around a ban. I assumed that people would realize you have no history of doing so, and they in fact did. However, they did not understand that this simply supported my original point that it's a waste of time to disallow people from posting on behalf of you because you wouldn't do that. Once, again... Sorry.<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB 05:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh Huh, Huh Huh... he said "penetrable" -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 06:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Lolwut
You, me and Salome are all ENTP? That must be why we are such good friends. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Captain Planet
Bhahahaah <font color="Black">000.00.00.00 07:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I got an 3p1C screenie of it too. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 07:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Much
for the help with the image, ill try to remember that next time i upload. :) Sloh Em Oshun 06:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)