Talk:Main Page/editcopy

The WiK appears to be over
so I'll be copying over the current, old layout tomorrow, unless there are any valid objections. &mdash; Why 00:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Welcome banner
It's hideous. And it actually sticks out more than it did before, so it's not exactly less "high profile". Shall we keep the old one please? &mdash; Why 19:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. The older one is better... The new one doesn't feel like it's screaming at me, but more like it's just uncomfortably loud. --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]20:04, 08 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The old position on top was better. Now it looks squished. --Xeeron 22:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be okay with it as long as the position is back on top like Xeeron said, and the font made a little smaller. The background color would be fine IMO though. --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]22:48, 08 October 2010 (UTC)
 * personally i hate the hole thing go to another website and notice how it doesn't have some stupid banner at the top saying "welcome blabla bla information noone reads or cares about." revert it if you want i was trying to make it look less aids i dont think it looks "squished now" but whatever.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 06:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * im glad someone reverted it and try and make something that looks better.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 05:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

New Link?
Maybe we could add a link to the Hall of Monuments Calculator in the News, Events section for those that aren't aware of its existence? French777 17:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was hoping for a box similar to what we have on the GW2W linking all the recent info about GW2, however I highly doubt it would fit on the main space unless some serious reorganizing is done. Perhaps expand another box to be 2 columns long and set it below the featured article, then have the new news feed be 2 rows tall?--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * GW2 news is about GW2 thus should not be on GW1W's main page. A link to the hom site is fine though, so go ahead and add it if you think you know a nice spot for it. Also feel free to experiment a bit, after all this is the editcopy page. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 13:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Halloween
i changed it over to the layout we had last year for Halloween so its just a copy past of that. i think it removed some of the links but i also think it would be fun to rename the topics like we did for wik also we need the logo changed.- Zesbeer 21:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * also changing the icons some ideas i had for new titles would be things like mad kings latest brew for Latest in-game activities sigh that was the best i could come up with... sigh...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 22:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * use this one for halloween.
 * &uarr; I actually like that one. What do you guys think? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yah I like the black one better than the orange -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Loving the black background!!!! However now torn between orange or green text as both of them look halloweeny. Green echoes the colours of the Dhuum image which is pleasing to the eye, however the orange echoes the pumpkins and the guildwars logo colour palette. Torn. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 01:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I prefer orange as green is too snotty looking.
 * Personally I like the black backround and the green font. As Orange imo is an ugly colour. Dont Forget to Sign Too! User Fantil Swift Sig Icon.jpg antil   Swift  04:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Orange shows up cleaner than green and it's the color most places use, including previous gw halloween main pages. 69.10.53.194 06:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure I agree with the "cleaner" thing, and that it's been done before is more of a reason not to do it again than otherwise imo. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  06:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The one on the edit page right now isnt too bad. Perhaps an orange border though?--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 18:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * i like the one with the green text now for new titles?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 18:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need new titles. I think I prefer orange but hey, green is better than nothing, so unless someone objects I'll apply these changes to the main page. If you feel really strongly about needing new titles, we can do that in a separate update. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 19:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * eh no big deal we also need to change the icon also why is the text orange right now? everyone wants green.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 22:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * good lord, why green? that orange was much better. these colors look horrid. how can anyone look at that and think they should keep it? it's disgusting. -- VVong | BA 09:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree the green text looks pretty vile. -- Lemming 13:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Orange ftw! – User Balistic B d-dark.pngalistic 14:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this looks pretty... eugh. -- Gah_  18:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See, more people want orange. Change it back. 69.10.53.194 20:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * its Halloween its suppose to look "pretty vile" i think it looks fine and its only for a few days we should be focused on wintersday seeing as i was the one who pushed this up the day the update went live.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that its a matter of which is more vile, but which better represents Halloween. – User Balistic B d-dark.pngalistic 02:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it time to change it back from the Halloween version? --Silver Edge 06:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * are the decorations still in game? if yes then no if no then yes.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 08:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * All the decorations and festival quest NPCs are gone. --Silver Edge 15:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Site logo
Any way of changing it to whatever we had last year? &mdash; Why 15:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This one or this one? – User Balistic B d-dark.pngalistic 02:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * i vote the second image we need to get it changed quick because the event will be over very soon.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 04:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the 2nd one as well... it's more creepy, but yeah, we should get it changed asap. --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]04:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We used this one last year. Its basically a high res version of SP's.  I prefer that one to the red moon.  --User Phnzdvn sig.png hnzdvn  06:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * &uarr; that's the one I meant. How do we implement that? I guess I'll go and ping poke's talk page or something. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 13:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed. --JonTheMon 13:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

wintersday 2010
i just wanted to start the topic on wintersday 2010, seeing as Halloween creeped up on us and a lot of people where not happy with how the layout looks so if someone wants to dig up last years wintersday that would be epic.- Zesbeer 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * – User Balistic B d-dark.pngalistic 04:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't like that color format tbh. -- Konig / talk 05:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Me neither. The green doesn't look very "christmasy", not that solid green would look any better... :/ --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]17:06, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I liked this color scheme better. . --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]17:13, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Take the color of the second one and the pics from the first one and *poof* done-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  17:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is the proposed color scheme in my sandboc User:Lania_Elderfire/Sandbox. --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]20:18, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a way in which we can replace the mouse by a snowman or let it snow over the mainpage, then I say do it, make this the concept for now^^-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  20:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OH GOD NO i will take the one color layout over the two muilti color aids any day.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd like to see other suggestions for color schemes then because the single color format from last year doesn't look very festive to me. And what is "multi-color aids" anyway? --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]]21:51, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you found two very soft (read: appropriate) versions of red and green. The first time I saw it, my eyes also screamed "no!", but I think that's more the mental rejection of Christmas being around the corner than anything else. G R E E N E R  22:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * its where you have more then one alternating colors all over the place.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 22:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I prefer the icons of the first link, and the green only of the second link . Two color formats=bad imo. -- Konig / talk 23:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I changed to a monocolor format with a brighter green as Konig suggested. User:Lania Elderfire/Sandbox--Lania  00:33, 02 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I liked the two color format better, it's much more festive...-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  07:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * what if we made the light green title boxes slightly darker and change the black lettering to white? i have mixed feelings about the 2 color format as green and red just don't look that great together, but monochrome is kinda boring/non-festive. -- VVong | BA 22:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I prefer the logos from Konig's second link though, in my opinion they look better.– User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 22:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, red and green are opposites on the color wheel, so they complement each other quite well. Thats why those two were chosen for the holiday anyhow. Its all in what hue you've chosen.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 01:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * if you can make it look non aids then ill be fine with it. what about the logo?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah neithan, you're right about the color wheel thing. maybe it's just me. but i still think the 2 colors used don't look good in that instance. -- VVong | BA 19:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

part2

 * it seems someone change it to line up with hearts of the north, i dont see how that them will be up for very long because in what a week we will be switching to wintersday theme, speaking of which have we come to a decision on how the theme will look and what logo we will be using?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 04:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to late to change this for wintersday..... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Something is wrong with the code. All the text around the border of the Main Page/editcopy page (i.e. the clock at the top) is smaller than before the Wintersday changes. --Silver Edge 20:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks ready. Planning on pushing soon. --JonTheMon 17:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ....this should have been pushed like a week ago.. oh well.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 12:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

skill update previews
short-lived phenomenon that happened a while ago -- the project isn't very fruitful in terms of usefulness, either. Should we take it off the main page? | 7  2    | 03:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * When I read this part: "Recent previews Friday 23rd of April (talk) Friday 19th of February (talk)",
 * I think it should be removed. Waar Kijk Je Naar User_Waar_Kijk_Je_Naar_sig.png 09:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see no reason to take it off the main page anyway, it has been inactive because there are no previews ready to show, the only reason people are judging it to have been to long without previews is because their going on how long THEY think previews and updates should take to come out, when in reality they take as long as they take and you just have to be patient. --Dinsy [[File:User_Ros_Sig.png]] 20:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The previews, imo, should be taken down as soon as the corresponding update is up. It kind of defeats the purpose, at that point.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  20:29, 4 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 03:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Things that happened a month ago aren't "Upcoming." ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. If there is any new preview in the future, we can easily add a link for as long as it is interesting again, but for now, removing makes completely sense. poke | talk 18:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: Dinsy; It's not because the previews are a long time coming -- if it were, I'd still keep them. It's that the last preview was in April and the actual update happened a while back.
 * I removed the line from the editcopy and cited the consensus here | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 18:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

HoM Calculator
I disagree with the removal of the links to this. This is something pretty much all GW players are interested in and an easy link to get to it from the main page is appropriate. -- Wyn  talk  19:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 22:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The HoM is a feature in GW1 and GW2, thus a link to it should be present at both sites.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * agreed.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Red links
I would rather keep the red links to future 'campaigns' in Guild Wars Beyond than in the main page. While red links have their uses, the main page is a portal to popular/important existing pages. -- pling 14:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC) <- this- Zesbeer 03:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, generally red links on the main page scream to users "MAKE SOMETHING ON ME!!!11!!1!". But, if consensus is that red links are ok, I would definitely draw the line at the next item, not any further than that. --JonTheMon 14:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, if you want to mention Winds of Change explicitely, do so without a link until a useful page exists. poke | talk 17:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As said above, just remove the link and leave the plain text. That, or create a filler page for Cantha:Winds of Change based on known information until more accurate info is posted.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 02:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "As said above, just remove the link and leave the plain text. That, or create a filler page for Cantha:Winds of Change based on known information until more accurate info is posted."

Black Text for Featured Article
What's the reasoning behind this? It seems silly &mdash;  Skakid  19:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Normal link color looks ugly. poke | talk 10:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

as it currently looks..
I like the new icon choice but I'm honestly not too fond of adding icons to the top box. - Lucian Shadowborn   06:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, should we change the layout colour scheme to a more...Wintersday theme? 203.94.61.143 04:47, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wintersday theme might still be in debate. It'll be changed promptly though within the next day or two.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * i like how i made part two of the wintersday topic a few topics above this one and no one payed any attention to it.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 05:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, I had to hold my tongue a little there.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Storybooks and Treasures
Just wondering how those two are considered "Gear." Storybooks are technically a repeatable "quest" in where you complete the objectives for a reward. Treasures have nothing to do at all with gear besides the fact that you might get a weapon or runes item from them.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 21:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * yea i was wondering the same thing but couldn't be bothered to change it back...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I view the treasures also as quests, only they can only be done once per 1-2 months.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 21:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I view both of them as mini-games. -- Konig / talk 20:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not just under pve? - Lucian Shadowborn  [[Image:User_Lucian Shadowborn.png|19px]] 20:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * To be contributive this time... Under "Gear and equipment" makes sense, not for the section title, but for the sub-section title and what else is there: Items [...] Collectible trophies • Consumables • Miniatures.
 * The location of treasures goes with the others as chests, keys, (no need for lockpick as that's a kind of key) and treasures are similar items - with keys being linked to the first item.
 * What doesn't make sense, out of it all, is the title "Gear and equipment" - but I suppose it's called such for lack of a better title. Effectively, like items were grouped together, rather than being spread out unnecessarily. Also, treasure and storybook didn't fit under "The World • Campaign travel." In fact, I think storybook would be best placed under "Storyline • Guide to PvE." And on a side note: I dislike the icons greatly. Don't make much sense, but I guess it was done for Hearts of the North and never got to the main page? -- Konig / talk 20:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess that makes sense... And I agree about the storybook part. Essentially the storybooks stem from the content added in EotN and the Hard Mode addition. At first, the books were for the faction titles, but then the idea was expanded for the campaigns. As for the icons, I feel that the edit page should be reverted to default icons for now, until the Crisis in Cantha storyline begins. Hearts of the North has reached its zenith and is no longer "in the spotlight." We missed our chance to document the short addition to Gwen and Thackeray's relationship like we did with the War in Kryta.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * yea i hate how it is now and i think it should be reverted back to how it was.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 11:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

So.. uhm..
We not bothering with the decorations on the main page this year? --<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil •  15:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See . --Silver Edge 20:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Events project...
i was thinking seeing as the main page already has a lot of lay outs for events that we should make that be automated. so every other year we get a different version of the main page for the events that have more then one. that way we dont get this bs where it sits unchanged until half of a week threw the event *cough* this years wintersday *cough*... i was also thinking that we could either come up with a new main page layout for this year or a change in icons. thoughts ideas?- Zesbeer 10:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well automating it would be simple. Just template the page so that the header colors and icons change based on a #switch variable effected by a datedif. That, or actually template the whole main page (the content of the menu boxes would be on their own templates, and called into the page itself to remove those weekly-ish edits) and have that set to the switch/datedif variable. Either way would provide for new layouts to be made (and if the second option is used, previewed easily). As for a new page layout entirely, that'll take some work.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The issue is "when does start?" - though that can be figured out, it won't be the same every year, so it will still have to be manually to some degree. -- Konig / talk 04:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Then a simple variable change, then. Some variable named "event" can be changed to whatever event name and thus change the layout's appearance.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, we don't need such heavy-duty stuff for this. Just have a page with a schedule on it, and what to do during those days (particularly about what to do if there is no consensus on a design/hasn't been discussed yet). --JonTheMon 05:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (ec)It's worth noting that, if a layout and a date to change it were agreed upon sufficiently ahead of time as this idea would require, there wouldn't be a problem getting an admin to push it live on-time in the first place. - Tanetris 05:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * @Tanetris: How I understand it, this is to prevent the need for a layout and date to agree on. Since, as you point out, that is the trouble (also the fact that admins have to be poked on their talk pages...). I say all we really need to do is make 3 Main Page sub-pages (one for Halloween, one for Wintersday (and Wintersday in July?), and one for CNY/Dragon Festival (since they share the same decorations, collectors, and items)), and just poke an admin to push it forward at the appropriate times. No need to make it automatic (though that's not a bad idea!). Said sub-pages could/should include unique feature articles to them as well (with their own cycling system perhaps, if there's multiple of them, so that it isn't always the same), so that those don't have to be altered during the change. -- Konig / talk 05:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually... I already finished doing a mock up of it. Take a look here. It can only switch between "Normal" and "Wintersday" so far, and it includes one template call (for the box styles). I have it set up for 6 different themes: Normal (0), Wintersday/in July (1), Canthan New Year/Dragon Festival (2), April Fools Day (3), Birthday Celebration (4), Halloween (5), and Special (6). Special is for limited time events that we may want to get in on. Themes can be reduced for simplicity. Template names and variable names are of course changeable.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Now it also has a "Halloween" theme, as well as a year variable (not entirely needed, threw it in for now though). Did we have any theme for the canthan new year ever? If so I'll throw that one in too.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 06:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * i think either or both could work i like what Neithan Diniem has done.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 12:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Kinda thought of a way to automate the monthly game updates links too (I think, I'll need to tinker around with it a bit). Would you all like that added in as well? If it works like I hope, it would automatically update all 3 month's links, as well as account for year differences (eg: Jan 2011, Dec 2010, Nov 2010). Thing is the red links that would appear if there hasn't been an update in that month yet. Could throw in a #ifexist variable I guess and make it so the links are just text until the update page is actually made... That or make an ambiguous page they would link to stating no updates have been made. Anywho, would that be something you guys would want, or should that remain as a manual change?--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 15:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Alright, got my idea to automate the game update links to work. It takes in account the switch of the new year, so the links stay accurate no matter what. Only thing to decide now is how to deal with any red links that'll pop up. Also need the ideas about other themes and how they should look.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 16:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed the red link problem! Now instead of the page updating the game update links on the first of the month, it instead waits till an update page for the current month is made. For example, if used now, it will displaythe updates for January 2011, December 2010, and November 2010. Next month it would display the updates for February 2011, January 2011, and December 2010 after an update page is created for February. As for the themes, Ive made a mock Canthan New Year theme (follow this link and put "Canthan New Year" or "Dragon Festival" in the template). The only major other event we have is the birthday celebration, not sure what theme to use for that.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 00:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * good work dude. i think it looks epic i would love to ear what others have to say... btw red and yellow not so epic...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 03:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, I know. Im good at putting it together, not the appearance. What I made was just a mock up using the colors of the dragon festival. If someone comes up with a theme for it on the editcopy I'll transfer it over. And your not the only one wanting some feedback on it.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Game Update links automated
Added code to automate the game update links. Now the three links will update monthly, but only once an update for the current month has been created. Therefor, February 1st the links will still say January/December/November. Once an updates page for February has been made, the links will automatically update to say February/January/December. It also will accommodate for year changes, so next new years it wont go outta wack. The ONLY way this will break is if no update pages are made after more than one month. If needed, I could probably make a way for it to cover a set number of update-less months, but I think the need for that is highly unlikely. This will remove the issue where the main page is behind (like it is now... hint hint). Also admins wont be needed to be bothered to update the main page just to update these 3 links.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 00:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ok so why did john remove it?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 03:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Jon didn't remove it, I instead made it more compact. --JonTheMon 03:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly didn't know bout that parser... Are you certain it still functions the same? If so... Dang, I still got a lot to learn about wikicode I guess... Perchance, why are you against their automation? I figured it would be for the best considering that it is now January and the main page still links from November and before. This would reduce unnecessary work for the admins.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's actually back to November again rather than still. Auron accidentally changed it when he removed the Wintersday decorations. I'll update manually for now (if someone doesn't beat me to it), till we're all sure about the automatic thing (I'm personally in favor, but I'd like to hear Poke certify that it won't accidentally break anything). - Tanetris 05:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I haven't tested Jon's improvements, but it should work. It uses an #ifexist parser to look for a Game update:August 2024 page. If such a page does not exist, it will use the previous month as the "update month," linking the first link to that month's update page. The other 2 links go off of the first, using it to determine what month they should display. Years are correct by a #expr >= parser. That returns a 0 or 1, and if 0 it displays the previous year. The only months it would return 0 are January and February. So pretty much it should function perfectly, but I guess we all know how finicky the wiki can be at times. Only way I can think of that it could break is if there are no updates for over a month, in which case a red link would appear in the list. That, or if some of the code gets lost.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I also dont mean to blow my own horn, but in the above section I also thought of a way to ease the switching over of main page themes (this is in little relation to the error in reverting from the Wintersday theme). However, it does basically turn the main page into a template, so anyone checking the source of the main page would only see about 4 lines of text. Not sure if that would be exactly desirable. It would also require the creation of 2 pages, both protected from unauthorized edits. One would be the template's code, the other is a child page that gets called into the code to reduce repetitive code lines (also makes the page's menu boxes all have the same color scheme, so any alternating color themes would need a second child page made =/). The edit copy would then be used to suggest updates to the template then, and any such theme updates would need to be converted to fit into the template's coding. Other then that, this editcopy page would function just the same as it is now.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally would prefer something more compact. I don't like having all that on the mainpage. Possibly make it into a template that is just transcluded. It seems bulky to me, and is going to make it that much more difficult for others to make suggested changes. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  06:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hows that?--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 15:45, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Zaishen Challenge quests
On each mission or boss's page who is predicted to be ZM/ZB/ZC soon, it should say 'This mission/boss/PvP thing is predicted to be the Zaishen mission/boss/PvP thing on XXth XXXXX.', according to Daily activities. This would be very useful for me and others.--86.164.135.100 17:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Or just go to these pages (linked to in each of their subsequent parent pages) to see their set cycle: Zaishen Mission/cycles, Zaishen Bounty/cycles, Zaishen Combat/cycles.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 18:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Having that information on each of those pages would put a too high load onto the server. There is no good way to do this with a wiki, so you will need to use the already available pages to get get that information. poke | talk 21:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Canthan New Year
its been announced and I made the changes on the events page, needs to be put on main [= Beleeth 01:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Embark Beach link
The Embark Beach link in the Player vs. Player section of Main Page should be removed (it has already been removed in Main Page/editcopy), since it is already listed in the Updates, news and events section of Main Page and Embark Beach isn't even a PvP feature. --Silver Edge 21:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and from the moment embark beach comes out it should be in the PvE section. But wat about Zaishen Elite or menagerie? They arn't really PvP either imo. --<font color="Goldenrod">Rhonin User Rhonin Soren sig.png<font color="Goldenrod">Soren 20:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Because of the PvP isles? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 00:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think due to the location, anything on the Isles would fall under the PvP section of the Main Page. Otherwise, the PvE section would be huge in comparison.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 05:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah i was nitpicking but i do have a point imho. but it's best in PvP because it's in the battle isles --<font color="Goldenrod">Rhonin User Rhonin Soren sig.png<font color="Goldenrod">Soren 14:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Overall, The PvP area could better be classified as the "Competitive area." Mostly everything there is a type of competition, be it directly or indirectly. Combat-wise, there is Versus combat like the RA, Codex, HA, and Alliance battles, and also Cooperative combat like the Zaishen Missions. Support-wise there is The Menagerie to expand the available pets in PvP, the Training Isles to help new players, and the Guild Halls to coordinate PvP tactics and battles. They all are PvP oriented, and Embark Beach would fall under the support section. Embark Beach is a way to assist players to get through PvE missions easier, thus permitting another way to access better skills and equipment usable in PvP (that is stretching it, I know, but it fits the pattern none the less).--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that EB is in the Battle Isles shouldn't matter so much. The main page categorises content by mode of play, not by geography; we don't have separate boxes for Tyria, Cantha and Elona. Because a PvP-only char can't get into the Beach, it doesn't really make much sense from this viewpoint to put it under "Player vs Player". I've changed the page to reflect this; however feel free to change it back if you disagree. -- Hong 02:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * why is it under co-op missions that makes less since then where the link was before.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 23:48, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it grants access to all co-op missions? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 15:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * yea that was a derp derp moment for meh for some reason i read co-op and thought of Challenge missions and was like wut then i woke up from bizarre o world and found i was wrong and forgot to strike out what i wrote.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 17:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Old ascalonian
since on the gw2 wiki there is a template of new krytan and they are going to use it on 1 april. could we do the same here with old ascalonian? --<font color="Goldenrod">Rhonin <font color="Goldenrod">Soren 20:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * what?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 20:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * this is the discussion and this is the template. runes found here --<font color="Goldenrod">Rhonin User Rhonin Soren sig.png<font color="Goldenrod">Soren 21:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Add Zaishen Vanquish to Latest in-game activities
Previously Unsigned 23:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Might as well add the presearing dailies while we're at it. --<font color ="#8b0701">Lania  00:05, 04 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And somebody with permission please remove Embark Beach from upcoming featuresIndigo121 01:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Might I suggest putting something together here? --Rainith 02:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, a day passed and Vanquish isn't yet in Main page. I think it really should be added, it's just like the other 3 zaishen quests, but it requires vanquish. Right ? Respectfully Magnum 12:29, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, should add Vanguard Annihilation too. Ramei Arashi 16:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Vanguard Annhilation was called Vanguard Bounty today in Pre-searing for Utini Wupwup Druakian 17:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Would it make more sense aesthetically to have the Vanguard quest below Nicholas Sandford? That way they'd be organized by Pre-searing -> Core -> Beyond.  Just a thought.  129.161.32.224 21:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess you do have a point there; fixed. poke | talk 21:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool! :D 128.113.201.222 02:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing this isn't the right place to write this, but I don't know where else to put it, so... there's something wrong with the ZVanquish part of the Latest in-game activities, as it is currently 16:11 UTC and the page still shows Ice Cliff Chasms as the current ZVanquish (I have cleared the cache, and the same thing happened yesterday as well). --weby [TALK] @ 16:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now.. poke | talk 21:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

pve and news
no thanks on the switch of locations imho.- Zesbeer 03:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I just alphabetised it all by title, although I swapped the latest in-game activities back to where it normally is, because I think it's just better there. Feel free to change the headers around as to how you see fit.
 * EDIT: I changed it for you. Is that better suited your tastes?<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|link=User_talk:Lacky|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 08:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * yes thank you.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 09:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Continued chat here.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|link=User_talk:Lacky|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 14:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Monthly Tonics
I am not a great editor so I can not directly propose this, but I suggest you add to the monthly section of the current events area the monthly tonic that drops from the Ziashen Chest, it IS after all a monthly event. The Savior 18:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Support Forum Link
https://forum.guildwars.com/forum I don't see it on either the suggestion or the actual page, so I figure it should probably be added. Likely somewhere around the community area. Lillium 14:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * May have to turn it into an internal link some how, before adding it to the site. If I could gather more information. I'd create a page, link it there and then add that to here. I don't know where else that it may need to be added. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 16:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * see here looks like we are still discussing what to do with them.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Add newest HM quest to "this month"
I propose that we add the latest/newest HM quest to "this month," something like:

This month:
 * Flux effect: [etc]
 * Newest hard mode quest: [blah]

This should be close-enough-for-wiki-work...unless it turns out that we start seeing HM quests introduced more often than once every three weeks. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * eh i don't think we are going to see one every month.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * well any other idea on how we could get these quests more known? 74.196.164.136
 * A link could be added beside "Quests" in the "Player vs. Environment" section of the Main Page, like this. --Silver Edge 02:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * How about changing this month to Other; that way the link is prominent in the latest activities area, but we don't imply how often. (I don't think it's that critical that flux effect be listed as this month; the flux article explains when it changes). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don’t think we should include that quest here. Partly because the activities list is simply long enough already (and takes up a lot of space), but also because the quest is part of a game update (and is documented there) and because the quests are not mutually exclusive, unless the other things. While of the other quests (or effects) only one is available at a time, the HM quest is there permanently. If anything, it rather belongs to the updates section of the main page. poke | talk 10:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The idea is to call attention to something that is otherwise easily lost. I don't think the activities list (with or without the latest HM quest) is anything close to too long; it's exactly as long as it needs to be. However, I would support including it in latest updates instead. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not too long based on its content but too long from a visual perspective. If you look at the main page, you can easily see this. poke | talk 23:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

placement of GuildWars beyond
As also stated elsewhere, the current development of GuildWars beyond is in such a state that it is more existing content then future content (WiK and HoN done, 1/3th of WoC is released, bout the future content a lot is unknown and even uncertain). The current placement on the mainpage is wrong imo. But, where else to put it? In the Player versus Envirement section should be an apropiate place. But then you could get a discussion why GW Beyond is there and eg bonus mission pack isn't. Even the campaigns aren't named there directly. So I would like to request to comment bout this. To give my proposal: Above this is a discussion bout putting the latest HM quest in the latest in-game activity box. I would propose to put in that place a section called latest content update. At the time of the release of the HM quest villany of Galrath, that one would be listed there. Now it would be Winds Of Change. Basicly it would be to express what the latest buzz is. To do so we should agree on certain things like what can be use and what not. My proposal would be to list anything that makes us all excited (based on consensus), is new in the way that it wasn't in the game before. Sometimes maybe multiple things could be listed cause of split in concensus (like eg after the march update, a lot of people where excited bout the new pre-quests, visable by an huge increse on pre searing population, but also a lot of buzz was bout the 7-hero's update). So what do you think? please comment on my suggestion or propose an alternative (or even better: do both!). Rumian 08:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think there are two separate issues: (1) there's upcoming Beyond (which fits the current placement) and (2) there's the well established bits of Beyond...and other new features, which we don't highlight on the main page (and perhaps we should).


 * Elsewhere, we've argued that Beyond is basically its own campaign. Therefore, I propose that:
 * We add a Beyond Logo to the top section (currently occupied by logos of P/F/NF and EotN).
 * We add a line underneath Game updates called, Latest features and link it to a page that highlights the most interesting changes (which might include anything from Embark Beach to HM quests to Beyond to... ). The criteria might be: if your best friend was away from the game for 6 months, which 3-5 features would you tell them about to get them to return?
 * — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 08:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * +1 we need this on the wiki. --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 09:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought bout a 5th logo myself. But one thing I've learned bout wiki's is: "if you can't make it yourself, don't propose it". I'm terrible myself with logo's but if anyone is willing to make one, I agree to it. I checked the official guildwars site. And they don't have an official logo. So if someone is making one, I would suggest something like the nightfall logo with the GuildWars traditional logo small and the text Beyond in the GW2 style (and so making a logo that gives the feel of the transition between GW and GW2). So I mean the shadow style, like the proffessions on the gw2 wiki but then with letters. I still also think that the Beyond page needs to be altered and made better. My proposal was rejected, but now we end up with a somewhat simular concept, but with needs expanding tags. If we are going to link to it from a mainpage logo I think it has to be a very good page. Having said that, I agree to TEF's proposals. Rumian 07:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So someone with skills in photoshop should make an image. Theres a reason I suck with such activities.. User Chieftain Alex Guild Wars Beyond logo.png--[[Image:User_Chieftain_Alex_Chieftain Signature.png]] Chieftain  Alex  11:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I took a few minutes to throw a logo together based on the logo seen at the top of the Winds of Change site. The paint swash is there to give a bit of a Guild Wars 2 aesthetic. '''[[Image:User That Sounds Risky SignatureImage.png|That]] <font color="#B8860B">Sounds <font color="#B8860B">Risky  | 20:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not really comfortable with us using what is essentially fan art on the MP, but if we're going to do it, I think we should be doing it with the least possible "creative input" on our part. Hardly the most fun option, I know, but it's a bit of a slippery slope once we start allowing people interpret things like this in their own way. I would suggest the Guild Wars logo with a simple "Beyond" underneath using the font used for the HotN and WoC logos on on this page (as this seems to be the closest thing to an "official" Beyond font. Maybe a little embellishment on the text, like on the other existing logos, but no further than that. --Santax (talk · contribs) 22:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * agreed with santax, as we have already seen all the logos for gw1 have the "official" lettering for guildwars and then the sub name.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 01:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree with using the retail game logo. 1) It isn't used in the official Beyond materials, and 2) People will misinterpret Beyond as being a retail product with a logo like that sitting next to the others. The font they're using for the Guild Wars text is the same font as the one used in-game for larger text, Friz Quadrata. The Beyond text most likely uses the same font they're using on the "In Kryta" portion of the War in Kryta logo they have here. '''[[Image:User That Sounds Risky SignatureImage.png|That]] <font color="#B8860B">Sounds <font color="#B8860B">Risky  | 04:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * well i asked Stephane to inquire about a official logo sooo...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 05:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Winds of Change editcopy
I've created a version of the main page to go with WoC here, similar to what I did with the War in Kryta. There are no problems with it or anything, it could probably be put on the MP right away in the meantime, but there are a few things I'd like to put to the community since with this one I had a less clear idea of what I should be going for: For reference, my original vision for the White Mantle MP can be found here, and after discussions and the progression of the updates the final WiK MP can be found here. I've laid down the groundwork, hoping the wiki can help me out a little here :) --Santax (talk · contribs) 03:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Colour: I went with the more subdued blue colour of the Aegis of Unity to go with the whole "purity" thing, but I'm wondering whether I should have gone with the reds of the Dragonguard as it is more representative of Cantha as a whole.
 * Icons: I'm generally happy with the icons, although obviously I'm always open to suggestion, there's very likely better ones that could be used out there. In particular I'm wondering whether there are better icons to go in the box at the top.
 * Text: for WiK the headings in all the boxers were tweaked, so "Latest in-game activities" became "Royal bounties" or something similar, and when it was White Mantle there was a little line at the bottom next to the editcopy text saying something like "seditious suggestions to the editcopy will be severely punished". I'm having some trouble thinking of an "angle" from which to approach this page; a Ministry of Purity-controlled MP perhaps? And how would that alter the headers and such?


 * The current color makes the outside border jarring. I also think the WiK icons fit better with the overall color scheme than the contrast colors do in this proposal. → Add a background tint to the box and perhaps stick to a single skill icon (perhaps one of the costumes).


 * For a quote, how about this from Zei Ri,


 * Also, if the idea is to call attention to WoC, then (while the special announcement remains), let's either remove the Welcome message... or at least shrink it so it's less prominent/important than the WoC teaser.


 * (And thanks for putting this together.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)