User talk:Raine Valen/Build/Gankwars

=Update Notes=

=Preface=

=Discussion= I'm liking this build so far, but there's a lack of spike damage at stand, which makes it difficult to split - remember, this build is designed around a dedicated split - due to lack of pushing power with either assassin away from the stand. So I'm going to do a bit of a redesign, with more spike assist on more characters. We'll see how things go tonight; I'll update the build then.  Raine  - talk  00:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)



Is a much better Wastrel's Collapse bar imo Lilondra   *poke*  19:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Twisting Fangs has a 15s recharge; what is a sin supposed to do while that's recharging? Autoattack?  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  19:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually Wastrel's Collapse has 20 second recharge and you don't want to shock constantly so it doesn't matter Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason why I prefer this build is basicly the utility it packs,how easy it survives (it doesnt need anything supporting it) and the fact that its chain is small thus you save a slot for IAS and you aren't loleasy interrupted (your investing 7 skills for your chain) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * My bar has both IAS and IMS, it kills NPCS in 5 seconds, it can quarterknock (which prevents interrupts), etc. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  19:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * My bar doesn't need IAS,It kills npc's quickly enough ,It can quarterknock (has a knockdown on command,ALWAYS!),It can int,... TBH with that flagger it would indeed be better to run a instagib sin but that bar i meh at best :/ You are also relying on the fact that they don't split back a thing Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  06:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a dedicated split; that's why there's two WoH monks. So I'm really not at all relying on them not splitting anything.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  18:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That doesn't mean the sinbar is good for its niche. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * For ganking NPCs and harrassing (by which I mean killing instantly) flaggers, it's really ideal. For a utility split character, we have a ranger, who's always been great in that role.  For actually killing shit, this build works wonders.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  21:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * IMO you a) underestimate this build and b) overestimate your build in its specific niche.If you rly want to run a instagib build there are much better ones out there (that don't use MoI) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  11:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * HotO is unreliable, especially if the other team knows you're running it. Also, using that combo doesn't apply DW at the start of the combo.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  19:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Your combo is even more unreliable if the opponent knows your running it ? TBH your in a ganksit what are they going to ? stand next to a npc ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  19:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You can apply MoI between WC and Twisting Fangs and still quarterknock with it, tbh. However, that's only necessary at the stand because *no one has hex removal on splits*.
 * And yes, people will stand next to NPCs on splits if they know that it stops you from killing them. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  19:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * [EDIT]: you lose your qknock like that.

TBH I don't know why you would run wastrel + WoH monk :/ A ether prism + gale ele looks much better especially if your going to instagib Lilondra   *poke*  20:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you want your only source of split healing building up exhaustion? :/ [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  20:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't use it just to start the chain.I mean you use a sin that can chain without it but imo you can never have to many knockdowns Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  20:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)