Talk:Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support

XD, this skill is so neat.--Eloc 07:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ebon Banguard Assassins + Spirits of Restoration = Permanent Spawn
I found that when the assassins died and was rez by spirit of restoration, he remain forever untill he's killed.
 * Forgive my stupidity...spirit of restoration??? Whats that, i can't think of what you mean. --91.108.180.201 22:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume he means Restoration, a Ritualist spirit that resses all party members in the area when it dies. --Tenshi Samshel 13:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OOOoooo Mesmer Rt anyone? echo chain a few sins then have them all res as you spirit twist a restoration spirit? MrPaladin talk 13:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Bug?
Are these supposed to die in 1 hit? I even took it to ascalon and if anything attacked it it would die instantly. Eric368 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They also die when instant when they get a condition ~ Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 08:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A few days ago, I had an Assassin with half a health bar...so I think that bug has been fixed. Nicky Silverstar 16:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Stats
At level 10, they do 23 damage with Iron Palm and get 2 Energy per critical hit, indicating 6 Deadly Arts and 8-12 Critical Strikes. -- Gordon Ecker 10:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added a research table. -- Gordon Ecker 09:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like the stats have been updated. Iron Palm now does 26 damage at rank 2 even though it used to only do 23 damage at rank 4. -- Gordon Ecker 04:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just added rank 0 to the table. I'll check with the other ranks when I reach them. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png]] 14:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You know, the stats doesn't necessarily have to have been updated. Just now I he did 20 damage with Iron Palm at rank 1 when he did 23 earlier today at rank 0. Guess he just needed the stat points for something else. ;) &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png]] 20:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as I don't want to overwrite your values when filling out the table, I've made a copy below which I'll be populating instead. &mdash; Galil 00:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Level 20, the energy gained by critical strike is offenly of 3, but not always, it sometimes is 2... lussh 13:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * At level 20, it has at least 14 in crit strikes since attacking the student of weakness on the isles still gives him +3 energy even if weakened. --SkyHiRider 12:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Signet of Illusions
With 12 points in Illusion, the Ebon Assassin is level 18. I'm not quite sure how the points line up, since I know they aren't one for one in the other title tracks, but thought this info would be handy for someone. Also, Arcane Echo and Echo can be used with this to spawn 3 short term assassins, but its more gimmick than useful. Quite funny though! --  Ale  20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * with 16 Illusion magic, the sin will be lvl 21. (The stats for this case is missing on the table :P) &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 13:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Signet of Illusions with 16 in Illusion is only creating a level 20 Assassin. I thought 16 gave a level 21 Assassin? --Karia 08:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * see Gordon's answer here &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 23:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

lol
If it takes damage, or suffers from a condition, it dies. So worthless, not even funny. Readem  Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.  00:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a bug with the HP; it probably has no health, so the next time anything touches it, the game re-checks and says "oh wait, he's dead". Could be a glitch from the sneak peek; you couldn't get to rank 1 in Ebon Vanguard, so they might have left out some data, which had side-effects on some of the scaling skills. -- Jioruji Derako.> 02:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Progression Table using SoI
I hope they don't nerf SoI... I had lots of fun using that elite with this skill. Anyway. I managed to do a progression table for the Assassin's level. Here it is:

Even though the highest rank is 10, I tested him with illusion magic 15... he spawned as a level 20 assassin... level 21 at rank 16. I didn't add these results to the main page because of this. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Terra Xin.


 * I think we should still use the tooltip progression in the infobox and include any irregularities in the notes section. I don't think the highest rank for any of the Eye of the North reputation titles is confirmed. -- Gordon Ecker 11:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And title skill tooltips now show 0...max rank progression ranges instead of 0...(80% of max rank) progression ranges, at least for Factions and Nightfall title skills. -- Gordon Ecker 11:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The skill progression range for the effects monitor tooltips is 0...10 for Deldrimor and Norn skills. -- Gordon Ecker 01:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just read the SoI page... good stuff. Hopefully these titles will scale in the same way as the Sunspear and Luxon/Kurzick titles.(Terra Xin 06:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)) :D

Assassin's Promise
Very fun skill to combo with this one. "Assassin party at my house! I promise!" I've had three or four assassins up at once at rnak 0. It's hard though given their 1 hp... ~ Kailianna Firesoul 22:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Non-exploitable corpse?
Hmm it's pretty strange. My Olias has no problem raising minions from the corpse of a fallen Ebon Vanguard Assassin. Hero bug or is it an error of the wiki? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.65.165.35 (talk &bull; contribs) 00:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC).

I was prity certain that id seen a minion raised off him however when it ocured to me to test it i couldnt replicate its most probably a bug posibly resulting from certain types of death hence the problems recreating it.-- Demonthorn 21:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It may have something to do with his lifespan. If he's killed prematurely, his corpse is exploitable until the spell duration is up. That would make sense to me, I suppose. So like, if he lives for 10 seconds, but is killed before 3 seconds are up, you'd have 7 seconds to use the corpse. RitualDoll 19:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Worth having?
Eh, posted this on the wrong wiki so I'll report on the OFFICIAL one :P

Is this skill worth having on a bar? Or is this just for fun, like while getting a run, playing with in low level areas, or during a HFF run?  Vanguard  15:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Worth it if only for the fact that he iron palms right off the bat. It's like a slightly more conditional gale without the exhaustion and a whole lot of follow up damage. It also provides a good "decoy" if you need it, and can be echoed to devastate enemy lines. AoE hex or conditions then spam them out on different targets. They also last a lot longer at higher levels too.70.124.126.83 13:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Higher levels. I have no real plan of farming Vanguard points so would it be useless for my particular character with the skill?  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG|Vanguard]] 17:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've actually enjoyed this skill. As stated above, foes will use their initial spells blasting the disposable assassin. As a warrior, it's nice when they use their snare on the ebon support rather than myself as I charge in. Also, since all the skill attacks ignore blocking, it's a good way to hit with some damage against foes with blocking skills. --Thervold 17:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer my question. Is it only good when I have like r5+ Ebon Vanguard faction?  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG|Vanguard]] 17:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I treat it like a minion, if it dies, it soaked up damage, and more importantly, sometimes a hex. SystemisFlawed
 * Definitely worth having. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  01:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * loll i really like this skill well against char but with the bug it has apparently it seems silly lol --Wild rituals 03:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean that 1-hit thing? Apparently it's been fixed.-  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 16:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

BHA + This = Good Synergy. Hit with BHA and then summon the Sin, and he gets his knockdown, and then continues to keep the target (spellcaster) pinned thanks to the Sin's decent attack speed =D --Srakin 07:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also Excellent synergy with Pain Inverter - give the enemies something to hit, then punish them for hitting him :^D. He can take down most spellcasting foes in nm on his own with pain inverter to help him.--Son of Batman 14:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This skill is only underpowered compared to Ursan Blessing and Pain Inverter. The first one created teams that could clear UW in less than an hour, the second one can kill end-bosses of campaigns in a singe use. So guess how powerful this one is...145.94.74.23 13:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Unkown Species?
hes a human isnt he?.....--Ra ph  Tal ky  15:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

nvm....re-checked the article....--Ra ph  Tal ky  15:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Quotes
In battle I saw him shout "To Arms! To Arms!" xD Also, maybe a note should be made that he looks identical to Vael? Hell, I think Vael uses Crude Daggers too. =o --Srakin 07:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like all summons use that quote. My Naga Salmon just said it <_< --Srakin 01:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Lulz. I want Naga Salmon too. . . Foolsauce  [[Image:Foolsauce-sig.gif]] 18:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

New pos-update stats table
I'm doing some testing with the assassin, I'l try to fill up as much of it as I can. --SkyHiRider 12:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

SoI & Illusion Magic Progression
Is it possible to add a Progression table for use with the Signet of Illusions to this page? Particularly for high values of the Illusion Magic (16+). I came here looking for exactly that but couldn't find anything beyond the normal maximum for the title track. The table under SoI just shows a comparision with the title track, and therefore has about half the possible values missing. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:91.84.121.119 (talk).
 * Its already covered on the Signet of Illusions page. I'm not sure the point of duplicating it, but what do other people think?- TheRave [[Image:User_TheRave_sig.png]] (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Id say its redundant information, plus its misleading - some people may thing that they can get it normally since not everyone knows about SoI. --SkyHiRider 01:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Who removed my info about the damage range and attributes at lvl 20 Assassin and why? --SkyHiRider 16:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Protable?
are we able to prot these summonts? want to know for the ooze pit. i think if i send this into the middle of the volatiles the blow up killing off my highly dispensible summon without hitting my stupid heroes. (prots to keep him alive ubtil ALL oozes explode).
 * I tend to heal mine when I'm bored, lol, so yes. He counts as an ally, just like minions and pets. Chao 04:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Necro Synergy
With 14 curses, barbs, and weaken armor on the target, the assassin was able to do 600 damage to the master of damage at only rank 3.
 * Weaken Armor doesn't affect the Master of Damage because he already has 60AL. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 06:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * wrong Vili EVAS = PvE = Standard is considered 40 but then again, lol pve --User The_Scythe_Has_Fallen_Sig.png The Scythe Has Fallen |  Speak Now in the Chaos  20:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

AI (or lack thereof)
The assassin doesn't seem to listen to called targets, and if there is an enemy adjacent to the target I cast it on, the assassin more often than not will attack the adjacent enemy instead. Perhaps it just attacks whatever is closest, and when there is an enemy adjacent to your target it has a good chance of being closer to that enemy since it doesn't spawn right on top of your target.
 * Since it's an ally and not a party member, it shouldn't respond to called targets anyway. I have also noticed how sometimes the assassin won't finish his combo on whatever I cast it to - he'll do Iron Palm and maybe Fox Fangs, then autoattack a bit and later consider using Nine Tail Strike, though by then he/the target is usually dead. :\ Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 07:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * he's coded for old fox fangs, thats why he uses nine tails late. i mean he uses when the old fox fangs would end. rip88.251.167.10 21:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Question
When the assasin lands a critical hit, does the energy go to him or to me? i wasn't able clearly determine that by just looking at my energy bar. 82.124.84.182 15:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC) To him.

Trivia
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support (EVAS) could be a reference to Evangelin.--72.189.84.224 19:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Incredibly loose connection at best. --JonTheMon 19:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be like saying that the Dual Attunement Air Spiker (DAAS) is a reference to a common misspelling of Häagen-Dazs. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 20:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The things people do in order to find a connection between things they like. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 20:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Question
Is his Health influenced by Spawning Power?
 * At the Spawning Power comments page, it's mentioned it affects Asura summons, but not the Ebon Vanguard Assassin summon. Which seems unfortunate! Speaking of it, I wonder if the Assassin's death triggers Soul Reaping +Energy to necros (I don't have one to test).--Sensei 13:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it does.--66.192.104.13 03:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Bug?
It's seems when I cast Arcane Echo them they won't leave again, pretty usefull. Thought, let's just report it in. --88.159.109.240 18:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Synergy with Glyph of Immolation?
Please someone test and check if this works? Cast GoI. Cast EVAS. Foe burns. Foe gets KD(Iron Palm) because of burning condition.

This should count as synergy because you get a sure KD in one spell, since you can cast GoI outside aggro range and then EVAS to poke(you get the KD on the very first move that aggroes).

re title: yes.--Son of Batman 19:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Maximum Number of These in an area?
I use assassins promise with mindbender and this skill... When farming charr carvings against low lvl charr, I pretty much spam this and sin's promise, but I never seem to see more than 4 of therse guys around at once. Is this a maximum, or just me being a bit blind? I have bee nwatching the numbers when normally playing and have never seen more than four, but it's kinda hard to keep an eye on them most of the time, while casting as fast as possible to make more...--Son of Batman 19:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You can make an unlimited amount. The problem is that there's no way to do so quickly, so 4 is about as many as you're going to get out at one time. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  20:04, 18 May 2010  (UTC)
 * Assemble a whole team of EVAS spammers. I bet that'd be fun. Pariah [[File:User Pariah Pariahmoa.png]] talk  04:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How sure are you? *tries again*--Son of Batman 20:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, yes, after a very concerted effort, I managed to get 6 of these guys alive for about 1/2 a second--Son of Batman 21:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * take arcane echo and retry ^^, also take a hero with stolen speed....how many you can get then. 82.95.65.117 19:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Keeps fighting
Today while i was working on some HM hero handbooks i cast Ebon sin on an incubus, when the incubus rose up into the ceiling Ebon sin kept fighting, dealing damage, and eventually killed it before it could come down. Anyone else getting this?--Lord randy taylor 18:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah - he won't give up the little terrier that he is. The same sort of thing happ0ens when you use him on Kuunavang in the whirpool mission - he springs into mid air and just keeps going. Never seen what happens if he knocks down an invisible incubus though...--Son of Batman 20:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

How should a note be phrased for that, and should we put one in?--Lord randy taylor 00:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should note it. I suggest:
 * The Assassin constantly attacks the spell's target until one of them dies. It even follows and keeps targeting enemies that move out of play, such as the Stormcloud Incubus and Kuunavang.
 * The only reason I don't put it in now: I wonder if it attacks wurms that burrow underground? Does anyone know? | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 01:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Its not unique to the assassin, minions do it too.--The Emmisary 01:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know about the minions i don't play necro/pay attention the the wall of minions flaying around, and i rarely encounter Wurms so idk.--Lord randy taylor 19:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Damage Type
Has it been confirmed that the EVAS is doing phyiscal damage with it's attacks? I assume so but I'm not certain. Pucktrapper 15:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have used him on my necro with barbs and Mark of Pain before and they seemed to trigger, but the area was kind of swarming with minions at the time... I would say yes though, just on the basis that he holds daggers... I am pretty sure he does do physical damage cos I remember thinking that those two hexes might be listed as having good synergy - additional power and KD, but I didn't stay using it for long so I never bothered.--Son of Batman 19:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just checked and yes, he does do physical damage, and also glyph of immolation does have good synergy - enables a kd straightaway with one cast at the point of delivery. Whether it is worth using of course is another matter--Son of Batman 19:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)