Feedback talk:Game updates/20100715

did this update also contain stuff for wintersday in july or?AurenX 22:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Dying
Dyed my oppressor's shield black. <3 Looks amazing.71.30.164.109 22:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dyed mine and the spear too. They look awesome and thank you! Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 22:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * YEAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! finally my black dyed para set <333 The Holy Dragons 22:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Dialogue
Added dialogue concerning Captain Langmar's and Thackery's fate is now in HoM for those that have finished WiK.Kyounshi 22:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. -- S irrush User_Sirrush_sig.jpg 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, Ones pushing up daisys and the other is missing.GG.Also guys, the crying emote is up for grabs again! User Neil2250 Crying Emote.png-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also noticed a 'grabbing' emote gwen makes at one point.can someone screen it?-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also a possible emote where Dian kinda nervously pokes the ground with his toe. (Usaf1a8xx 02:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC))
 * /bored --122.111.180.153 06:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heres the speech [[File:User Neil2250 Post WiK HoM.png]] -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 22:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * i reckon this points to the next big load of updates being a search for thackery, hopefully including areas north of giants basin, due to the detail they went into when they described the area, heres hoping! 86.131.206.103 22:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Im hoping that too, but the team cant realy be asked,nor do they have the reasorces, to make a new area. Lions arch keep and Shining blade camp were both pre-used areas.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 22:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neil. 2 things. Should I indicate the events going on in the dialogue, such as all the emotes (or at least the major ones), people entering, etc? Or is it good for now they way I have it? For The Quin 23:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There once was a war in Kryta,
 * Where hope, like a beacon, grew brighta.
 * Gwen dropped her frost
 * When Keiran was lost,
 * Now she wants to hold him much tighta.
 * DISMISSED! » Matthew Moore 23:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Get a life. The Emmisary 23:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I lol'd. For The Quin 23:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably going to end up with a re-use of Northern Shiverpeak areas, if anything. Amitiel 23:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm the last one involved expansion on the asura arc then maybe the next chapter of beyond features the norn. Then finally sylvari being the last one? --Smithy-Star [[File:User Smithyben sig icon.png]] 23:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Its highly unlikely we'll ever see sylvari in Guild Wars 1 solely based on the fact that their "birth" occurs way too far in the future. If anything I expect we'll be given several HoM Gwen dialogues about Keiran. Aka we won't be actively involved with his search. I expect Ascalon  will be reused for the next bit of WiK content. - Marisa 23:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

If we participate in anything Id expect it to either be a re-use of Saul's Story area (highly unlikely) or a dungeon level reuse. They wouldn't make a new explorable just for this.--Neithan Diniem 00:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What a bitch... what a bitch, really.
 * Gwen, Langmar is dead.
 * What did you say, you can't find KEIRAN?!
 * It should have been Thackeray who died, and Langmar should be the missing one, who will now rush through a survival "gauntlet" of sorts back to Gwen in an interesting reversal of Gwen's Story. But no, welcome to chapter 2 of Love and War in the North.  At least there is more brain power going on here than in Koss and Melonni...  But seriously the single most important woman in your life is dead and you just kind of ignore it...  NCSoft please never talk about the plot of this game ever again!  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To quote an awesome doctor from a different video game... "Of course. Hormones." ;) Not to mention that Gwen didn't bat an eyelid either when Thackeray came back the first time and reported the entire slaughter of his unit. - Zaxares 05:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Skills
So my alliance members are saying that WoH (Word of healing) got nerfed, removing the <50% health bonus, and costs 10 energy. Are there any other skills changed?
 * WoH was not changed. The Orlando 22:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, WoH wasn't changed 88.159.236.245 22:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Queen Salma Bugs
The "Wanted By The Shining Blade" quests require that you receive your rewards from Princess Salma - Queen Salma will not give a reward, hence, you can no longer turn in those quests. Screencap here: http://i28.tinypic.com/25aomj9.jpg     99.230.164.255 22:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Same problem here. 69.76.53.101 22:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Same problem here as well. please fix soon. 76.25.20.247 23:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We're running a build to fix this now. Please hold tight! --Mike Zadorojny 23:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mike :) 99.230.164.255 23:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yay for the quick fix! Thank you! 69.76.53.101 23:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a worse problem now - that latest fix crashes with an error saying it can`t write the gw.000 file. The previous patch downloaded fine, so it isn't a folder permissions problem...anyone else see this? Big Bad Bob 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Update - happens on my Win 7 system, but not my Vista box. (Both are 64-bit.) Big Bad Bob 00:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nvm, I rebooted and it quit failing. Meh. Big Bad Bob 00:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Langmar

 * Nah the remains found were of a baby gorilla's. Langmar used a res shrine and went back to grothmar wardowns. The Emmisary 23:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Either Langmar there will remain due to that part of the game being "in the past" before the WiK stuff, or she will be replaced with another Ebon Vanguard member in a future update.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 00:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Leave it to Neithan to be all logical n stuff. >< The Emmisary 00:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dammit Darko Neithan, why you gotta get all smart on us? For The Quin 05:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Mursaat, thank you for killing one of my favourite characters in GW. 'Overlord Frosty ' 11:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the tomb belongs to Captain Greywind... or is he confirmed to be alive? Lokheit 14:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, he is definitely alive. He appears in Lion's Arch (War in Kryta) after the battle. He and the Ebon Falcons have a conversation about Langmar and Thackeray being missing here. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 17:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

What about Cantha and Elona?
I do wish they would get updates too. But Tyria is the center of the world currently. Previously Unsigned 23:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cantha pl0x sides cantha gets blocked in gw2 >:(--Drug[[Image:User_Drug_Image-User_Drug_sig.png‎|19x19px|]] 00:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * English please. And IMO Elona > everything. Previously Unsigned 00:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Doubt they are going to do things in Elona and Cantha. Since GW1 will focus primarily on Tyria for the foreseeable future (game expansions the size required for GW to expand into a new continent Id say would definitely take from six months to a year to complete). They still have the founding of Ebonhawk to go through, which will require Thackeray to not only be found, but marry Gwen and also somehow get the strength to found a fortress of that magnitude. Don't forget Evennia is still missing, and will also need to be found and/or rescued (be it from the Charr or from Adelburn himself). There is more they could move on to, sure, such as The Battle for Ascalon City, but I doubt they'd wait for a 10 year lore gap after Ebonhawk's founding. Also, Elona doesn't see any sort of action until 1135AE, 60 years after Palawa Joko's release, far beyond what Arenanet would skip through just for some lore fillings. Cantha Id assume also has a delayed timeframe, as the next emperor, Usoku, needs to become emperor, then begin training troops and then collect millions in gold to arm his troops before he attacks the factions, which takes a lot of time. In the end I think I can effectively say that Elona and Cantha will see no Guild Wars Beyond content relating to major lore additions, even after GW2's release.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 04:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * they'll prolly do something, lmao. I do not think Anet will just let Elona and Cantha out to dry like you say. :3 They'll do something even if it is after GW2's release which if we say is that then Anet will prolly do something b4 they add an expansion to GW2 :D and if you deny that then ur just being silly :3
 * The only thing they could probably do is have kisu die and have the next emperor start a few minor battles with the vassal factions and for elona they could start palawa joko's return to power. also sign ur comments The Emmisary 00:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't they say they would not be going into Cantha or Elona? Anyway why should they GW2 is essentially a sequel to Prophecies not Factions or Nightfall. Ramei Arashi 04:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know about the dialogue, I just need to finish the las battle but I'm waiting a friend to complete WiK U.U, then I suposse there is no doubt... RIP Langmar. Lokheit 13:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Mini Salma
Mini Salma demands Queen status! Lightbringer85 00:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mini Salma needs to gtf back in your inventory and back into the kitchen xunlai and make us all red rock candy because sandwiches don't exist in GW. For The Quin 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * lololol. The Emmisary 17:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Crash Bug on Second Update
Can't run GuildWars anymore. When loading it I receive a message saying a serious error prevents guildwars from running. It says this in the details:

Assertion: Unable to write patch file 'C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\Gw.000' OsPatch.cpp(375) App: Gw.exe ProgramId: 1 Build: 31235 When: 7/15/2010 17:29:18 Flags: 0
 * --> Crash <--*

Any ideas? It happened on two computers.

HSTL Dorian 00:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I ran into this on my Win7 system. Vista was ok. Rebooting and trying again got me out of jail. Big Bad Bob 00:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the next GW:B will be the founding of Ebonhawke or rescuing Thackeray
Or both. Discuss. Karate  Jesus  00:38, 16 July 2010  (UTC) . Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 01:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * no u The Emmisary 00:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This sort of behavior is discussting. What? --Adul 02:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely Rescuing Thackeray now that Gwen is going ape-shit... Pure speculation here but I think something else besides Ebonhawke/Thackeray&Gwen is going on here.  Both Thackeray and Evennia have gone completely MIA without a trace.  Evennia was near Ascalon City waiting for an audience with Adelburn, we never even find out if she had an audience or not.  Thackeray just disappears.  At first I was sort of thinking that perhaps Evennia was abducted by Ascalonian forces, which might be possible because of the negative hype the Shining Blade has gotten.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 03:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They're both...at a picnic? ...Aanyway, back to Ebonhawke, may be. Adelbern & Co. will found the stronghold in 1080 AE, meaning very soon. I doubt we're gonna see a new playable area around the future Ebonhawke. As seen here EH will be on the searing ring and I doubt The Big Guys will create a new explorable area. Markus Clouser   [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 03:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Some source some time ago said that Gwen and Thackeray will found Ebonhawke, so rescuing Thackeray comes first, and it's not Adelbern that founds it. It'll be interesting to see what happened to Evennia though, I guess Adelbern still doesn't like Krytans even after 8 years... Taros 04:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 8 years since what? Adelbern's hatred goes right back to the Guild Wars before the game even begins, much longer than 8 years. 122.105.106.192 04:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 8 years since his own son took the majority of Ascalon and ran away to Kryta, 8 years since the hero and everyone else tried convincing him to stop and focus on more important issues, 8 years of Ascalonians living fairly peacefully in Kryta. The Guild Wars are over, he needs to move on. Taros 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently everyone is forgetting something about GW:B, Linsey once told us that in the future it will be revealed who paid Zinn to build the Golems and kill the leaders of Tyria. So we might get a change of scenery. --M age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]M ontu 08:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you stay in the hall after the falcon members leave every few seconds Gwen will start crying. Ramei Arashi 20:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources please. Last I heard it was assumed that Zinn's golems were sabotaged unbeknown to him... but he was paid to kill them?  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Noone said he was paid to kill his own golems.....the dude before just said that we are going to find out who paid Zinn to make em. The Emmisary 21:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * RTFM seems appropriate. 24.197.253.243 01:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What I got from Montu's comment is that Linsey said Zinn knew that he was making evil golems and he was fine with trying to assassinate people. What I got form the actual game was that the golems were sabotaged by the "stranger" ... "had I known the extent of the evil to which I was contributing, I would have halted construction immediately"
 * The stranger commissioned Zinn to build the golems with parts provided. Zinn's willing ignorance of their purpose doesn't equate to sabotage.  24.197.253.243 14:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't be a leader in Tyria...
Or you will die... unless you unleashed the greatest threat to Tyria in our time - and do nothing to help defeat it, in which case you will be rewarded and worshipped into Guild Wars 2. 122.105.106.192 04:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So true.... Waar Kijk Je Naar 07:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Their family and Other leaders can be included too....however the most insignificant creatures can kill everything and wont die Chaos Beserker 17:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In a real war who died first (i mean after the plebs)? right the king because when you take the king the game is over Rhonin Soren 18:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gwen won't die because she's a precious snowflake and she needs to get married. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * She has to die eventually, a spontaneous, fiery death would be appropriate. 80.47.238.207 00:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone's still bitter about the beta event. lulz 97.102.52.115 03:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Queen Salma vs Princess Salma
My assassin hasn't finished all the WiK quests but when I grabbed today's bounty the test called her Queen Salma but standing 20 feet in front of me she was called Princess Salma. 122.105.106.192 05:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They're most unlikely to create two versions of the text for every quest. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K  When  Needed 13:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They already have in that there are different quest descriptions for post WiK characters taking bounties --71.95.46.36 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They could just rename Princess Salma to Queen Salma as soon as she retakes Lion's Arch. That would clear up all inconsistencies. There is no crowning ceremony so as far as I'm aware there are two significant times she can claim the throne. One is when she retakes the throne in Lion's Arch Keep or the other is once the White Mantle are defeated in the Battle for Lion's Arch. Murro still calls her Princess Salma in the War chronicles when she retakes the throne and in his final entry. 122.105.106.192 00:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

"Spoiler Alert" You must follow the timeline while playing this game. Salma becomes Queen after the War in Kryta. The Bounties are considered "before War in Kryta" and they only respawn for sheer convenience of the player who doesnt have to make a new character each time to farm War Supplies, Greens and Minis. This game has a lot of "go back in time" that you must accept. Ever wondered why Captain Langmar still appears in Grothmar Wardowns now that she's dead? Ever wonder why Togo spawns in Vizunah Square mission even though he got killed by Shiro? Ever wondered why Gadd is still around even though they cramed him up and Vekk dropped him off a bridge in Riven Earth? If you do not follow the timeline, nothing makes sense. Repeat after me, this does not make sense, Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
 * Lol wtf? The Emmisary 01:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Vekk dropped Gadd off a bridge? Ramei Arashi 04:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes he did, watch the cinematics for G.O.L.E.M. and see for yourself.. ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 06:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Refugees
I went through the settlers camp and every 1 is still gone "while the white mantle threaten lions arch" as your character will state. Wonder when they will return.BurrTheKing 19:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Never? Who wants to go back that crappy little town when you can party in Salma's hood. The Emmisary 19:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * NKP1 NKP2 Are those new, or I'm just slow? SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 20:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware they're new.--Orry 22:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

"A bug was added"
Nice one. Never knew they deliberately added bugs to a game. BlazeRick 21:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Its never deliberate (I hope), but every time anet has to go in to add, change, or delete content there can be odd consequences no one saw coming. Also that section of the update page is only what guild wiki found that was not officially declared in the update. The Emmisary 21:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Herp derp. I know how bugs are produced. I'm just saying that the wording is a tad off. Would fix it myself but first I'ma finish my coffee, just came home from work. BlazeRick 21:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Added" doesn't imply whether it was intentional or not, and bug implies it was unintentional, the wording is fine. --Orry 22:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "A bug was added" implies that they added a bug. I don't see how you can turn it into anything else. The wording was not fine, it was way off. English might not be my first language, but I do know how it's grammar works. And what words mean, for that matter. BlazeRick 22:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ladies lets settle down okay? Leave the wording as it is right now. End of story. The Emmisary 22:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was the one who changed it, actually. Just silly people trying to refute grammar and/or language. BlazeRick 23:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well what would it change to? "A bug slipped in..."?--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 03:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To what's on the main right now, silly. Are people really this simple, or what? BlazeRick 07:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But, they did add a bug, they didn't intentionally add a bug, but they did add one. A bug was introduced means exactly the same thing. Both wordings are fine, added means that the bug was put into the game, with no bearing on intent, introduced means the bug is new to the game with no bearing on intent. --Orry 17:43, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Take some english classes, really. Can't be bothered with you anymore. BlazeRick 19:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I'll try and educate you;
 * "This update introduced a bug" means that the update introduced a bug to the game.
 * "A bug was added" means that they intentionally added a bug to the game.
 * "Herp derp", in this case, means goodbye. BlazeRick 19:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Inadvertently added" means they put the bug into the game accidentally, "intentionally added" means they intentionally put the bug into the game, "added" does not imply whether it is intentional or inadvertent, and in context the average person should be able to infer it was not intentional. Same case with introduced, or when they introduce a new feature is that an accident as well?--Orry 20:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Of further note: the phrase 'a bug was added' is in passive voice, meaning (in laymen's terms) that the complement verbs the subject. However, since there is no complement, there is no identifiable "who" or "what" that added the bug. If you wanted to say that ArenaNet added a bug while keeping the voice passive, you would say, "A bug was added by them," with 'them' being interchangable with 'ArenaNet.' Since there is no identifiable source that added the bug (i.e. ArenaNet didn't do it deliberately), the phrase 'a bug was added' is correct, albeit weird/awkward because the "who" or "what" that added the bug remains ambiguous and we have no way to pinpoint precisely the origin of the bug. -- R i <font color="#333333">ddle 21:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise anyone but Anet made updates to the game (you can do that shit on your regular account too, I don't mind). And it doesn't say Anet introduced the bug, it says the update did. Maybe I should change it again, to "the update caused a bug", because then it can't be refuted at all. BlazeRick 21:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comprehend the words 'deliberate' and 'bug'. Since ArenaNet are the only ones to update Guild Wars, they do add bugs to their game. However, they do not add bugs deliberately because bugs by their definition are not deliberate. The phrase 'a bug was added' by itself doesn't imply that the adding of the bug is deliberate. If you say "a bug was deliberately added," then the phrase is self-contradictory and doesn't make sense. If you say, "a bug was unintentionally added", then you're being redudant. -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle 21:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry BlazeRick, but this argument has nothing to do with grammar. It has to do with vocabulary, and you are wrong. --67.187.122.241 03:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just retarded that people are just arguing here to do just that. The wording's wrong, because no one adds bugs to a game. Bugs are caused or introduced by an update. I changed it into what every Guild Wiki note has been before and merely said something like "lolwut" on the talkpage. After that, shit hit the fan. But I forgot how butthurt people are over that their game that hasn't been updated for three years and has been dead for that same amount of time. BlazeRick 07:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope this doesn't come across as racist, it is simply meant to be a somewhat relevant point. As I consider all languages (and nationalities) equal, I certainly mean no insult when bringing up this point.
 * "English might not be my first language"


 * What you have here, dear Sir, is a bunch of native English speakers stating that you are wrong, and misinterpreting the sentence. Please allow yourself to be open to the idea that multiple native English speakers have (combined) a greater knowledge of the language than you yourself, and so are far less likely to all be wrong when the alternative is just one person being incorrect.
 * Again I mean no offense; I pray you can see the relevance of the quote which is the only reason I mentioned it. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K  When  Needed 15:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * None taken. It is a note about an update. It said "A bug was added". I still can;t see how that implies anything else than that the bug was part of the update, predetermined. The grammar part I admit, that was my bad. Because it is about vocabulary. But a note about an update saying a bug was added can imply nothing more than an bug being added as part of the update. When you make custard and add sugar and milk, you do not add lumps. Those lumps were caused by the stirring (the update). BlazeRick 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I was never disputing the new phrase. However, I do believe your analogy is a bit off. The update is the final product, the custard itself. It is not the process of stirring. The ingredients and the stirring are the steps you take in making the update prior to distributing it. Let's say, however, that you mess up one of those steps. Let's say you mistook the salt for sugar&mdash;for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. You go through the regular steps, but the final product is definitely off. You didn't mean to add the salt, you didn't want to add the salt, but you did anyway; thus the final result is clearly not custard.
 * By going through this process, ArenaNet may add or mess up something in their updates. They clearly don't mean or want to mess up their own game, but it happens occasionally. Thus, a bug becomes added/introduced/made/however-you-word-it into the game.
 * 'A bug was added' is something like 'Salt was used for the custard,' except that the former implies more that it was an honest mistake because of the word bug while the latter says nothing about the intentions (or lackthereof) of using salt to make custard.
 * I won't entertain further analogies-based arguments and the correctness of said analogies. Much like the phrase 'a bug was added' and the spirit behind it can be misinterpreted, so can analogies. -- <font color="#ef8f50">R <font color="#916142">i <font color="#333333">ddle 22:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As a linguistics major, I just wanted to add to the conversation that the passive voice (in this case, "was added") is often used to avoid blaming or pointing fingers at (some) responsible party, making the resulting sentence more neutral. It's for this reason that newspapers read, "A large amount of donuts were stolen last night..." instead of "A thief stole a large amount of donuts last night..."
 * In this case, we know that it was ArenaNet's changes that caused the bug to occur, but there's no point in explicitly stating it, so the passive voice was chosen. Note, though, that such use of passive voice to avoid inferring culpability isn't always a conscious decision; we do it in most cases because "it sounds better."
 * -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 22:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My head's starting to hurt. So what you're all saying is that there is no difference between my wording and the former? So "A bug was added" does not imply that the bug is a standalone thing that was added onto the game vs a bug that was caused by the update? BlazeRick 06:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Both wordings are fine and imply the same thing and this discussion had no point to exist in the first place. --Adul 12:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "A bug was added" can have a bit of a negative connotation, I think. More so than some of the alternatives, at any rate.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 17:28, 23 Jul 2010 (UTC)

Random allies in North Kryta Province
Are not spawning for me when I do bounties after completing the Battle of Lion's Arch. They spawn everywhere else though. Is this an inconsistency or a hint of new content for the area in the future? 122.105.106.192 00:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * NKP was altered to reflect the evacuated settlement - it's likely that when doing that, they took out the random ally spawns there, but obviously haven't gone to the trouble of doing that everywhere else, as that would involve going through and adjusting all of those areas again. Amitiel 17:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)