User talk:Raine Valen/Underpowered Skills

Please add your skills on the main page before you do so here.

When you do so, please leave the note on this page; include why it was put into this category as well as a possible, viable solution.

Please. Sign. Your. Posts.

Though skills have been moved into scaling attributes (Crippling Shot) and have been promoted/demoted to/from elite status (Hundred Blades), please try to avoid these types of suggestions.

Also, as a side note, try to alphabetize the skills on this page for easy reference. And do feel free to add a solution idea to a skill that is already here.

Because of the nature of this page, I do expect that there will be a lot of controversy, but please, keep personal attacks to a minimum. Let's be mature about this, folks.  Raine  - talk  09:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, it looks like I'm going to have to break this up by profession; this page is really long.  Raine  - talk  09:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleaning. Evolution.
You're probably wondering where everything is. I mean, lol, you're looking at this blank page like, wtf? So go back to the main page, and click the section header for whatever profession; that'll take you to the page for that profession. Sorry for any confusion.  Raine  - talk  17:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I accuse you of stealing my archive box. Also, Lilondra and I were talking and this was the result. Don't know if that's of any interest/use to you. Misery  11:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I did steal your archive box, and I'd do it again, too!
 * That list helps. ^^ [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  23:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But...everyone uses this archive box. As far as I know, Skuld is the original creator. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 00:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My original creation is the lazy-archive button. Misery  00:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

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Icy Shackles (HA); Shield of Judgement, Holy Wrath, Retribution (Farming); Draw Conditions (HA, GvG, MR Monks); and if Dodge, why not Zojun's Haste? I can let mending go even though it is used for 55ing, as it is just a terrible skill, but the others that I mentioned are commonly used to great effect in certain areas, and as such, perhaps you should put notes beneath each of the skills that ARE useful in some gameplays, or is this a general "bad skill" kind of thing? Either way, Shackles and Draw shuld be removed imho. (This is Gah, too lazy to sign in on a diff computer) --71.70.205.150 03:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont see how you can possibly have some of these skills on here. Glimmer of light? really? lowest energy cost, lowest recharge, lowest cast time, and a decent heal amount. How could this possibly be buffed without being OP?--96.225.153.202 16:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Glimmer is a terrible skill, even if you don't factor in WoH. What is the point of an elite Orison? Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 17:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard and I make Glimmer awesome...one of us takes HB, the other Glimmer and we both bring arcane mimicry. It activates so fast, its like a stance! We used to do it all the time in DOA.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 23:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * HB makes any heal not suck. Vili &gt;8&lt; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 00:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I still think that Glimmer is a really good skill. The recharge and activation give it good results in terms of heal/time and how fast you can respond to things, even though it doesn't heal as much as WoH. I will agree that Healing Light could use a tweak though. Also this list is kinda missing Healing Hands. One look at Healing Seed and it's hard to understand why is HH elite. Shield of Judgement is on the same place as Mark of Protection, imo. Both are great skills, however they kinda need better recharge, waiting 45 secs to drop another one of those is just not nice. Not sure if that Holy Wrath takes in consideration the recent update, cause for one I kinda like it now. Smiting needs more focus, though. It offers monks Castigation Signet, smite hex/condition and most of the rest of the tab just kinda wavers between being a domination mesmer and pretending to be an ele. Still in monk, Scribe's insight is a favourite. It would be kinda awesome if it was not an elite, but since it is, you really don't have much to use it with and it becomes quite rubbish. - VileLasagna 14:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Mshower
I love that skill. F*** SH, Double Dragon and SF, I'm old school...I'll spam Mshower with Renewal all day long. I wouldn't say its "underpowered" its balanced as it is, but it really is a pve skill more than anything else.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  22:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * One of my favorite things to do is take Glyph of Concentration and Meteor Shower, then run right up to some interrupting character like a Ranger and start casting. I don't care if it doesn't connect, it is just fun to see them spamming interrupts and going "wtf?" Works in PvE with Mesmer monsters, too.
 * Anymore the eviscerate... Meteor Shower is a balanced skill because its strong effects when it works are balanced by many negatives. It's perhaps a little overbalanced in that way when it comes to PvP that doesn't have dumb shrine NPCs, but still. Glyph Sac was popular for a reason. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 22:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Adrin used to love mshowering bad people on cap points. Shard and I would laugh like no other...I run Mantra of Resolve in pve, but I'm amazing. I don't need energy to cast 6 back-to-back mshowers.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I got killed by a meteor shower protting HA the other day. I was caught totally off guard; their axe war shocked me in it and then we lost the game.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  23:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * my meteors are awesome. --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 08:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Amity
For obvious reasons, I'm adding Amity. Don't think I need to explain too much why. Titani Ertan 12:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is poison arrow listed twice? 90.224.56.40 07:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just that bad. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 08:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Shatter Storm (certainly after Rend nerf), Draw Conditions, Shielding Hands, Vampiric Gaze (though only in b-spike. Then again, you should tag like every blood skill then. ^_^), Poison Arrow, Power Shot (I'm too bad for Needling) and Punishing Shot aren't UP imo. Though, I'm a bad player/theorycrafter. ;o 82.75.192.76 18:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Spirit Walk and swap
Perhaps for spirit walk, 30 second recharge and insta recharge and 50 damage if you target a spirit? And maybe give swap a 15 recharge and make it target foe? Seem like good ideas? Both skills basically suck. >_< Invincible  Rogue  20:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Aura Slicer
Not so sure that that ones underpowered, it's basically that if you're a dervish which would probably end up using enchants, target bleeds, not to mention it deals bonus damage, making it better than sorry, basically the same as, Sever Artery, Hunter's Shot, Jagged Strike, and Barbed Spear a few useless skills. Oh and it can hit 3 fuggin targets. Haru 02:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * zomg! Bleeding!  6 extra DPS guise we can TOTALLY OWN HALLS WITH THIS.  Oh wait.  That one doesn't even have a requirement for the bleeding, and it also does bonus damage.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 03:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok so I slept on this and figured out a slight modification to my comment was in order, but for anyone that doesn't use mindless spam skill, such as one of them other elite deep wounds, at least its covered...with unfortunately two skills instead... Haru 12:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Dervishes are so broken right now that the only way to change one of their skill bars is to make other skills broken. Or, y'know, fix the game.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 15:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Paragons/Mesmers/Ritualists
I didn't see much currently listed, but you might as well post almost (IMHO every) all skills in the Fast Casting, Spawning Power, and Motivation attribute lines. Arcane Languor being the only possible exception. It's fun to annoy opposing monks with that skill. Motivation line just happens to be the most worthless in the entire game. Not a single skill in that entire attribute that isn't done better elsewhere, for cheaper cost. Spawning Power -could- have been great, but fails, cuz Spawning Power holds no candle to Soul Reaping, and Spirits or Minions with lots of HP is LOLWUTUSELESS. Which is the same way people speak to you when you're a Rit/N instead of N/Rit. -the jynxed-  00:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently you're not familiar with Motigons in PvP. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 06:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Spawning Power's inherent effect could, yes, probably be much better, but it has lots of great skills. Fast Casting I think mostly has a lack of skills. Of the top of my head, Symbolic posture and Stolen Speed aside I do think I like the rest (leading me to disagree on mantra of recovery being on the list). As for your opinion on motivation.. I'm with Vili, you're clearly on crack, mate. Motivation kicks loads of ass - VileLasagna 14:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion
Invoke Lightning, Shielding Hands, and the new Blood Bond arn't all that bad Yay Killing Charr talk 15:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Blood Bond isn't... --92.10.23.163 15:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Invoke and Shielding Hands are both meta. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  18:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, how are people even finding this page? [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  18:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dunno, but this list is full of bs. Morphy 11:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that was accurate and informative. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  14:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll explain. Chain Lightning and Thrill of Victory have been buffed, so taking the outdatedness in mind it's fine. Draw Conditions and Punishing Shot are also explainable as Foul Feast used to be so much more powerful than Draw and Punishing Shot (which is a broken skill, btw) used to be replaced by Glass Arrows in R-spike builds. Other skills, however, are less forgivable. Icy Shackles has been meta for like forever, Shielding Hands is and always was a good prot for smaller damage packets, Barbed Arrows is actually overpowered in what it does (doubles Ranger Condition pressure when taking two Rangers at no cost skill bar wise) and Lightning Orb wasn't underpowered until Chain Lightning was buffed. The sins of the past, Raine, they keep following you. Morphy 15:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Punishing Shot is broken, but that doesn't make it OP. Shadow Form (PvP) is broken, but it's certainly a bad skill.  Punishing Shot's functionality is undesirable for normal ranger builds: normal rangers have better interrupts and better options for damage.  Savage Shot is typically better damage when it matters, for example (and it's non-elite!).
 * Icy shackles was meta for like forever - then it was nerfed and quickly fell out of the meta to Shatterstone, and then Mirror of Ice. And this was before Winter's Embrace existed.  The sad fact is that it was nerfed to hurt FC snare, but never re-buffed when the Glowings or MoI were hit.  Now that Fast Cast X is dead, there's really no reason that Icy Shackles should stay as it is.  It currently sees the occasional use on flag runners, and that's about it.
 * Shielding Hands is a good prot for small damage packets, but it's currently underpowered compared to sources of the damage that it's supposed to mitigate. Its recharge is pretty debilitating; the only reason people take it at all is because there's noting better.  They're basically stuck with a crappy skill for what it does.
 * Barbed arrows does have a huge drawback for what it does: it means you have to run 2 rangers. In exchange for that, you end up with one of them running an inferior skill.
 * Lightning Orb is plain Terrible next to Lightning Bolt, let alone Chain Lightning.
 * In conclusion, this concludes that. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 19:59, 17 Jul 2010 (UTC)

Punishing Shot
Imo Punishing Shot isnt underpowered, its the only elite skill I will use for my ranger interupt builds. It does extra dmg and interupts. and unlike Broad Arrow Head, this skill's arrow moves at regular speed. Fantil Swift 14:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You realize that Savage Shot (nonelite) has twice the bonus damage, assuming you actually interrupt a spell, right? [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  15:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I think you need to update this page, there are quite a bunch of skills that aren't underpowerd Infested Hydralisk  22:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This page isn't even in use anymore. I'm not sure how people keep finding their way to it. :x  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  02:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I got bored cause I was the only one online and some member who never talks. Infested Hydralisk  02:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I use a build with Punishing shot, savage shot and distracting shot. And I find my way to it cuz Im bored =P Fantil Swift 03:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Magebane > Punishing Shot imo. Infested Hydralisk  03:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)