Talk:Gift of the Traveler/Drop rate

Traveler Locations History
Would it be appropriate to make a page which chronicles where Nicholas has been in the past and what he has requested? Jvinniec 21:49 April 24, 2009
 * Like, say, Nicholas the Traveler/Research ? Backsword 22:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Darn, you guys are good.--Jvinniec 21:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please. someone add the Everlasting Cottontail Tonic to the drop rate list!! TY. -- Minami Kaori
 * Everlasting Crate of Fireworks is missing too. Xaphan67 17:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded a pic of my VDS, don't really know how to put it on the table: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Vamperic_Dragon_Sword.png Eric368 16:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The .png file should be the icon from storage either captured transparent with texmod, or extracted from the .dat file. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 16:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Pix vs Text?
Wasn't the original design for this table supposed to have pictures of possible prizes at the top and text at the bottom? (Since I don't know all the possible items, I find the text still helpful.) Would it be okay if we replaced one of the header rows with text again? (Or perhaps people would prefer both text and pix above the totals at the bottom.) Tennessee Ernie Ford 00:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a good idea to have text anywhere in the table. It enlarges the whole table horizontally, because text needs more space than pictures. That'd make it even more hard to read than it is now. However, if you hover your cursor over a picture, you should see a caption containing both the name and quantity of the item. --Adul 13:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

section for those that are bad @ wiki code
I'm posting here cos I'm bad at putting things into that table.. anyways, spent 100's of thousands of k on these....(now i'm broke) and here's what i got:
 * 40 mercantile summoning stones
 * 20 hunter's ales
 * 20 cottontail tonics
 * 30 Aged hunter's ales
 * 40 Honeycombs
 * 20 red rock candies
 * 20 green rock candies
 * 35 blue rock candies
 * 50 Sparklers
 * 50 bottle rockets
 * 70 mysterious tonics
 * 50 mysterious summoning stones
 * 10 jars of honey
 * 60 champagne poppers
 * 10 crates of fireworks
 * 3 disco balls
 * 1 Vampiric dragon sword

Forgot to sign...--WikiWu 07:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, added to the table.  Nate [[Image:User Nate Alluran MyTalkPage.png|20px|User talk:Nate Alluran]] 13:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I am also bad @ wiki code....my 5 gifts....could someone please add?
 * 2 Aged hunter's ales(20)
 * 1 blue rock candies(5)
 * 1 Honeycombs(10)
 * 1 Sparklers(10)

Rock2001c 14:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

ya just to give you all a heads up i probably messed up something on the page so some one who is good at wikicode should take a look at it to make sure its fine thanks in advance Gw Squirrel 21:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Also no good at wiki code. 20 Gifts as follows:
 * 4 Mysterious Tonics (20)
 * 3 Mysterious Summoning Stones (15)
 * 2 Champagne Poppers (20)
 * 2 Keg of Aged Hunter's Ale (2)
 * 1 Bottle Rockets (10)
 * 1 Hunter's Ales (10)
 * 1 Jars of Honey (10)
 * 1 Sparklers (10)
 * 1 Aged Hunter's Ale (10)
 * 1 Blue Rock Candies (5)
 * 1 Red Rock Candies (5)
 * 1 Mercantile Summoning Stones (5)
 * 1 Cottontail Tonics (5)

Planning on buying 200 gifts soon (1 million gold worth @ 5k each) and will post findings once that is done. Thizzzguy 6:30AM PT, 13 July 2009

219 gifts


 * 34 Mysterious Tonics (170)
 * 20 Mysterious Summoning Stones (100)
 * 17 Sparklers (170)
 * 14 Red Rock Candies (70)
 * 14 Green Rock Candies(70)
 * 13 Bottle Rockets (130)
 * 12 Champagne Poppers (120)
 * 12 Cottontail Tonics (60)
 * 11 Honeycombs (110)
 * 11 Mercantile Summoning Stones (55)
 * 11 Jars of Honey (110)
 * 9 Blue Rock Candies (45)
 * 9 Aged Hunters Ale (90)
 * 9 Keg of Aged Hunters Ale (9)
 * 8 Hunters Ale (80)
 * 8 Disco Balls (24)
 * 6 Crates of Fireworks (30)
 * 1 Everlasting Crate of Fireworks (1)

Thizzzguy 14 July 2009 23:36 UTC

I haven't been counting consumables, except for kegs.
 * 11 Kegs of Aged Hunters Ale (sold 1)
 * 1 Professor Yakkington
 * 1 Traveler's Bo Staff

Ramei Arashi 14:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Adding more data
If you already have some data in the table, and later get more of the gifts, would it be better to go back and edit your original entry, or add a new line?

Oops, Anghara 14:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're probably less likely to make an error with a new line. and if you do make an error on a new line, it only invalidates part of your data.--JonTheMon 14:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Better to edit your own line, as stated in the header, to keep the list short. (and, as someone like me will only condense the 2 lines to 1, the probability of making that error will remain the same) – josəph  05:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

missing pix
Can we try to take a screenie of the missing inventory items? (slapping myself with the used moss spider egg). Axlbert 16:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We need icons, not screenies. They will come, just be patient. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 16:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed, the first icon doesn't show up for me.. is it for everyone else or is that a bug? Slashy 19:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Some odds, after 1000 gifts
(As of about 15 minutes before this post), there were 1006 entries (one user posted 81 count; the totals row is not quite up-to-date). And the percentages of drops based on type are as follows:



! Type !! % Tennessee Ernie Ford 18:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Party || 20.08%
 * Drunk || 15.71%
 * Sweet || 23.56%
 * Summon Stone || 34.79%
 * Tonic || 3.58%
 * Mini || 0.40%
 * Weapon || 1.69%
 * Other || 0.20%
 * }
 * Tonic || 3.58%
 * Mini || 0.40%
 * Weapon || 1.69%
 * Other || 0.20%
 * }
 * Other || 0.20%
 * }
 * }

Everlasting Crate of Fireworks Column Needed
The main Gift of the Traveler article has 28 possible rewards listed. There are 27 reward columns in the table here. I think Everlasting Crate of Fireworks is missing. Would/Should some kind soul who's good at wiki tables add it? LicensedLuny 02:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's needed, but it's gonna be painful to add. --JonTheMon 15:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty to add the column for the Everlasting Fireworks. I've set all values to 0. I had to convert 5 weird lines, probably the aforementioned script made by someone. It screwed up the table it doesn't have the extra column.--Fogeltje 09:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! LicensedLuny 19:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

More instructions or an editing tutorial?
Should there be more instructions listed for entering data? Sort of, a wiki-table-editing tutorial. Or is there already such a thing we could link to? The only way I know to edit tables is to make or edit a copy with all the |'s and -'s. That's confusing at best and very easy to mess up. Sorry, my wiki knowledge is spotty. LicensedLuny 02:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that we need a "how to put in your own data" manual, I'm not that familiar with wiki and I think it is more than I that need a tutorial of some sort. (Kendil 15:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC))

After a bit trying I've managed to get my data right. It wasn't that hard, really... anyways here is a little short step to step guild on how to do:

First, copy someone elses data, preferably someone with low numbers (making it faster) and paste it in the bottom. Now comes the boring part; delete his data and replace it with zeroes, change his name for yours. When having a lot of zeroes, it is just to put in your data by replacing a few zeroes. Save page and you are done! (Kendil 18:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC))


 * In lieu of copying the row of someone else and just replacing your data with it, you could use the template for it. How to use it is at Gift of the Traveler/Drop rate/line. It's been updated for everlasting fireworks. --JonTheMon 19:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! That's awesome, thanks Jon!  I didn't know about templates.  If I may, I've a couple of suggestions.  Using the template makes the total field gray - can that be changed to default background like the rest of the entries?  While I did figure it out, perhaps a bit more explanation with examples for how to use that would help people.  Using preview, I realized I had to put the new line entry in after my template - can the template include that, too?  Finally, should there be a link to that on the top of the main page?  But seriously, that's so much nicer than typing out my own line and getting all the 0's in the right place.  Thanks!!!  LicensedLuny 01:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Move Total Rows to Top?
Would it be better to keep the total rows at the top of the table? It would be easier to see on loading the page, and it would cut down on users putting entries below the totals. (Apologies for the three new sections, but I had three questions all at once.) LicensedLuny 02:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Perl script for formatting a line
I used this to create my line, and thought someone else may find it useful too. Once the numeric values are filled in on the lines following the "__DATA__" line, running the script leaves the line that needs to be inserted on the clipboard ready to paste (including the line total and the signature). Written for ActiveState's Perl on Windows.

use strict; use warnings; use Win32::Clipboard; my $clip = Win32::Clipboard;

my $total = 0; my $wikiline = '';

for () { chomp; next if $_ eq ''; my ($name,$count) = split(/:\s*/, $_); $count = 0 if $count eq ''; $total += $count; $wikiline .= '| '. $count. ' |'; } $wikiline = '| '. $total. ' |' . $wikiline. "| ~\n|-\n"; $clip->Set($wikiline);

__DATA__ Hunter's Ale:0 Aged Hunter's Ale:0 Keg of Aged Hunter's Ale:0 Champagne Popper:0 Bottle Rocket:0 Sparkler:0 Crate of Fireworks:0 Disco Ball:0 Jar of Honey:0 Honeycomb:0 Green Rock Candy:0 Blue Rock Candy:0 Red Rock Candy:0 Mysterious Summoning Stone:0 Mercantile Summoning Stone:0 Mysterious Tonic:0 Cottontail Tonic:0 Everlasting Cottontail Tonic:0 Miniature Gwen Doll:0 Miniature Yakkington:0 Miniature Brown Rabbit:0 Vampiric Dragon Sword:0 Traveler's Bo Staff:0 Traveler's Walking Stick:0 Icy Dragon Sword:0 Ascalon Razor:0 Moss Spider Egg:0 Everlasting Crate of Fireworks:0 Alara 04:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Updated to include the everlasting crate of fireworks Alara 10:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Updated to ignore any blank lines in the Data section. Alara 10:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the script and the updates. Would it be better to use  at the end, rather than ~ ?  I've been leaving dateless sigs.  I'm not sure if there's a standard.  LicensedLuny 19:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Odd Entries
Some people added 9999 of one item to the list. Shouldn't they be removed, seeing how they're clearly false values? 145.94.74.23 13:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and reported for vandalism if it continues. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 14:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Wasn't sure where on this page to put this, so delete it if necessary. Big thanks to the guys'n'gals that started this and keep it up to date. I will start adding my drops as soon as I get home this evening. Will be great to see a better picture of percentages as time goes on. Keep up the great work =D Kayg 15:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Average Gift Value?
Now that there is so much stats on the gift contents, is there any way of putting a ball-park figure on the average value of a gift (excluding the <1% items such as minis and weapons, I guess)?

I've seen the gifts trading for 8k, but if I were just to put a simplisitic 100g per title point on what I've received so far, I would put them at more like 3k. But this is ignoring stones and PvE boost factors which I've got no idea how to value.

Or maybe just an average title points stat? Kirbett 10:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I found this on the web, it calculates the actual value of the gift(including minis and stuff)to be 4394 gold a gift -- [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]]C4K3 11:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * How did you find that? Very interesting!  I note though that he's put no value on stones (20% of the drops) - I wonder if he was equally unable to value them, or if players generally just don't perceive them to be worth much at all?  Also, if I drop the everlastings and minis from the table (<0.2% each), his estimated value comes back down to 2504g per gift.  This suggests that paying much more than that is betting on verrryy long odds. Kirbett 12:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The author of that page actually already posted that link on the main talk page for the gifts here Talk:Gift_of_the_Traveler, bare in mind it doesn't include values for the weapons, the percentages might be slightly out now, and the value for alcohol at 120 per point is quite hard to get imo. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Totals and restart in interest of keeping page shorter
I was wondering if it might be okay to total up the entries to date and throw them onto a single line and then start adding individual entries from that point again. Just to make it so that you don't have to scroll down so far to get the the bottom and such. I am willing to total and edit the page if there is a consensus that it should be done Em Jae 04:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like the table will eventually get too long, so yeah, maybe it should be archived somehow. I'd also argue for keeping the total rows at the top of the table rather than the bottom.  LicensedLuny 07:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of the totals line, the percentage thing is screwing up. It seems to be taking the current column value and dividing it by the previous column value (ie, Moss Eggs column is at 4, Ascalon Razor column is at 5, percentage says its 80%, it should be at .14%). I don't know if it's bad wiki code or what, but because I am not experienced in things wiki, could someone who is look at it? ^^ Katherinezoltin 06:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Pulled and edited the whole lot into Excel and recalculated the percentages, should be correct now. The table size probably isn't helped by the fact that everytime ppl get a new set of 5, they're adding another row to the table, rather than updating their existing info, this sort of approach is making the table balloon immensely. -- BramStoker (talk, contribs)  10:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is probably so to avoid an occasional mistake altering the results too much. I'm all in favor of condensing all entries into one entry every once in a while though. --Adul 01:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * One issue with that is when people mess up their lines. Should we just absorb those lines into an "archived total" line, or omit them, or what? --JonTheMon 14:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You could merge all IP totals into one and combine duplicates by the same person, I quite like seeing my own line though and what I have gotten so far personally. Have noticed the instruction at the top actually says to add a new line rather than update your existing, some users have 6 lines or more! -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 01:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Old Cottontail Tonic picture
It won't allow me to change it to newer one. - J.P.  Talk  20:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Image caching issues. If it's not correct in a little over a day, try again. If that doesn't work, contact Emily. --JonTheMon 20:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Shifting to One Line per User
It seems the consensus is now to have one line per user. Looked like Lemming miscounted some of my totals when he went through clearing dates, so I totaled mine from looking at an earlier revision. If we're keeping all the entries on the same line, that's even more incentive to use Gift of the Traveler/Drop rate/line. I'm way more likely to mess up the count if I have to keep track of columns. Does anyone good at wiki code/wiki standards know if we can change that template so the total box isn't gray? LicensedLuny 07:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If everyone used the Gift of the Traveler/Drop rate/line template it would look more professional with the greyed box. The problem is no-one knows it exists. I only noticed it because I saw someone had used that code in the edit box. – josəph  05:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Make a headline every 25 rows
How about making a headline every 25 rows? Benefits: You would not need to scroll down the complete code as you only are editing the 25 line block in which you are; you don't need to load the complete code; you don't need to submit the complete code; (you can't screw the complete table at once). Disadvantages: There is a senseless menu in the top; the table gets a bit longer; senseless headlines are in the table every 25 rows. What do you think? --Bruder Sammy 19:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally/alternatively, it could also be considered to move the grand totals to the top. After all, they are the whole point of this page, and currently they are rather difficult to find or scroll down to. --Adul 08:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Something like this was on my mind: User:Bruder_Sammy/Drop_Rate. I didn't do it all the way through because we won't be able to just use it because of latest updates. --Bruder Sammy 18:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Mis recording
Because some people are not recording numbers correctly, this table is pretty much void. If you cross check the totals you will find they are not correctly reporting the instances of getting the multiples of 5, but rather the total numbers they are getting. This invalidates the percentages. nvm, it was me trying to do math at 5:30 am :P -- Wyn 10:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I am finding some incorrect totals myself. I was trying to update the totals today, and I came up with 5204 when adding up the first column. However, when adding up all the gifts that have been reported, I only come up with 5188. That's 16 gifts they are off by and it would take a while to go through and figure out who can't add. Maybe I'll let someone else update the totals. FloppyJoe 15:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I realized an easy way to figure out the miscalculations in excel, and have found 9 entries that are incorrect (some are over and some are under). I will change them to what they reported and write a note on their talk pages about the change. I figure that is reasonable. FloppyJoe 00:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Noticed Nero near the bottom is incorrect by saying he has opened 5. Only recorded 4. I am new to the wiki so can someone remove please :) --Fright01 23:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll update the totals in a bit. You'll find miscalculations every once in awhile, but hopefully the people that update the totals will fix them. It's just an approximation anyway, since the people that wiki their numbers are but a fraction of all the people getting gifts. FloppyJoe 00:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Moving totals to the top
If there are no objections, I will soon move the totals to the top. Reason: the point of this table is to record the percentages of the GotT drops, and thus they should be easier to find. --Adul 11:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's convention to leave them at the bottom. King Neoterikos 11:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where? Could you please refer to the page where that is discussed? --Adul 12:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I had something like this in mind. I'm rather happy with the way it turned out, but I'm open to suggestions. Also, please denote whether you like the old one or the new one better, or how you'd want to see it improved. --Adul 11:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Who is in charge of this page, the people that do the totals and such? Perhaps they should decide what way to do it?  I looked at Adul's Table and it looks great IMO.  Em Jae  04:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved it. It's not like it's permanent. If someone feels like the old layout was better, this is the right place to discuss it. There was a lack of discussion on this topic in the first place, so I figured nobody would mind if I did it. --Adul 09:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I like way more this way! Thank you very much. BTW: Is it just me or are the totals really not updated at least since beginning fo August? --Bruder Sammy 18:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Multiplied?
Can someone check the second to last line by "Aleron Gabriel"? I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be like that (considering there are 250 reported gifts opened and well over that number on the table's values.) I would do it myself, but I wish not to confound the table any. Thanks! --Curin Derwin 23:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Synapse's line obviously has flawed/false data as well. I'm removing it. --Adul 13:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Totals
I noticed that the totals were updated manually by some users, and thought it might be convenient for the table to update itself (especially as large as it is). I made a test\sample in my sandbox. Anyone else think this would be good for the page? --  Cat Slayer  Calli  22:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be great for the page! I'd like to see it over at the Gifts of the Huntsman page as well.  Aleron Gabriel 23:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just upgraded the Gift of the Huntsman/Drop rate page to model this one. BOTNGiggles [[Image:User_BOTNGiggles_Icon.jpg|Talk]] 05:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Updated totals
OK, the totals were seriously out of date, to the tune of four months. During those four months, the contributors added about 2000 gifts.

Because of the out-of-date-ness, I built a little Python script to compile the new totals part from the current user data. Unless someone seriously objects, I'll try to run this once a week, probably sometime on Sunday, to update the totals.

Enjoy! Cynique 11:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)