Talk:Spoil Victor

Small addition to notes
"Ressurecting an ally will also trigger Spoil Victor (assuming that the resurrection skill is a spell), but casting a healing spell one oneself doesn't". Results were predictable since a dead ally with 0 hp likely has less hp than the monk resurrecting him, but to be sure I tested it in a scrimmage match. QED 14:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Question, if you have negative hp (like getting deepwound when you have less than 20% hp) will it still trigger when rezzing? StatMan 22:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Note Changes
Changed note to read "...for players who don't have Factions." instead of Prophecies.(Aeos 20:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Reverted, as this skill is used as a replacement for Spiteful Spirit which can only be found in Prophecies - I've updated the note to clarify that. As a side note, not having Factions will remove accessibility to this skill. Oscidaes 20:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Replacement? I prefer this over Spiteful Spirit, pretty much everywhere. =\ Shouldn't the note say something instead of opinions (prefered, used instead of etc etc)? RitualDoll 05:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it should say that this > SS when fighting few but strong enemies, but SS > this when fighting lots of less powerful enemies. Paddymew 16:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Icon
Does anyone know what the skill icon is ? Crazy 12:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone with a Laurel wreath to me. That would make sense given the "victor". --Xeeron 15:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Kinda looks like my dad shouting :) Ninjas In The Sky 14:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ^i lolled :p, it looks like that necro icon with a medusa head too.. :p 78.20.153.111 19:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Evokes the "Olympic Laurels" and bibilical "Crown of Thorns" Farlong 08:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like Jughead, if someone had just jacked his plate of burgers. (96.225.75.201 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC))

Doubt Note
I was thinking of adding this note but I don't want it to be seen as a personal opinion and might need some word play:
 * To forcefully activate Spoil Victor against a NPC, you can send in a low level pet or minions to attack the NPC, thus since the pet/minions have lower health it will trigger Spoil Victor once the NPC attacks or activates a spell against them.--ShadowFog 15:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true, but anywhere where SV is arguably needed, everything you'll be fighting will be higher than lvl 20 anyways. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 00:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "This triggers on stuff w/ lower health, so send in stuff w/ lower health" seems a lil too obvious to note.  66.190.15.232 00:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it's obvious but more obvious if you can exploit it like this.--ShadowFog 02:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ambiguous description
The skill description could be read to mean that SV triggers when casting spells on targets with lower health and when attacking (something independent of its current health).--69.117.36.57 03:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

i guess i never read it that way. It seams clear to me anyhow--Justice 05:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

this
owns monks if it's not removed in time 86.91.141.232 14:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * it owns about everything. -- -Ch  ao  s-   14:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I run this on a blood necro in place of the curses necro in the modified sabway I use with my Rt... the combination of low health spirits and low powered minions cause the enemys to obliterate themselves killing the unimportant targets... MrPaladin talk 15:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Blood?
Shouldnt this skill be curses? I dont see why its blood.
 * Life loss ;o .. Oh, and having viable blood skills to bring ofc.. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 14:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, and balance. That's a funny thing, balance. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 15:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Life transfer says hi. Briar 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Loltransfer. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 14:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Does This Trigger w/ Divine Favor?
Does this Trigger from the healing from Divine Favor? That would be 200 something damage to monks, which I think would make this skill a little bit more PvP-viable than it is now. Than 04:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No. -- -Chaos- (moo) -- 09:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Only triggers on attacks and spells. Since DF is a side-effect of monks casting on allies, no. I felt the need to elaborate... FleshAndFaith 01:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it..
at least for pvp, I don't understand why this skill is all that great, it's only effective if your already in a losing situation, and relying on losing sounds like a bad way to win. I would think something like Soul Leech would be more effective if used on a monk or something.
 * It's effective because it works on any target. This means that if you put it on a monk, that monk takes damage whenever it tries to heal teammates with low health.  The damage also can't be reduced in any way and does not trigger Spirit Bond, which is distinct from most punishment skills like Backfire.  –Jette 16:52, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Like Grenth's Balance, it evens the odds considerably, this probably doing that better. Going from obvious loss to not as bad gives you a window. Justice 08:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you use it in PvP, put it on a healing class, like said above. This is also almost more "balancing" than Grenth's Balance, simply because if you put it on one warrior when two warriors are fighting, if one starts winning, they start losing (health) until they aren't winning anymore. It's silly. FleshAndFaith 18:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Triggers on Resurrection
Does Spoil Victor still trigger on resurrection skills when the user has less health than the dead target? Say Defy Pain ends and takes a character down to -100 health (the display will still say 1 health). I'll give someone a muffin or something if they test this. –~=Ϛρѧякγ  (τѧιк)  &larr;&hearts;– 05:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Tested out of boredom, and yes, it triggers, if your health would have went below 0 by the ending of a skill or by a weapon swap, your health is checked as 1 for means of skills, and as the <0 amount in terms of actual health (regen found place for a while till i had more then 1 hp again, but it stayed at one (1st attempt, was wondering), and i took damage from ressing (2nd attempt)) Deadfalk 08:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC) ...so...where can i get that muffin? :P