User talk:Misery/Archive Overview/Topic 11-20

Obvious troll
is obvious indeed. Napalm Flame 17:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ye I know, stop trolling me. I know I'm bad at the game T_T Misery  17:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to put yourself down misery. It's what others are for xP jkjk Napalm Flame 18:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I get it, ur baed, I hurd you cast Wail of Doom on the Ghostly when running bspike in HA. Gotta reduce that massive pressure from Power Shot ye? Misery  18:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I never cast WoD on teh ghostly O.o owait, maybe once when the ghostly was the last thing standing and the priest was dead anyway for lulz, death from WoD? xP Napalm Flame 19:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ups Misery  19:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I will find my nitch in your car.
With my MP3/DVD/rumble-pack guitar.

I don't see what anyone else can see in anyone else but you.

Det det det det dur dur dur det. Vael Victus   01:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know that song, I don't have a car and whoru? Misery  15:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

128.211.248.24 looks like this friend is hurt by what I posted "there". Looks like he follows you too! Damn man!--ShadowFog 19:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Check contribs, it's Shadowsin and he gets down on his knees for me nightly shares many of my views. Misery  19:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hai mr charming, i r troll ;o 82.34.128.19 12:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hai mr troll, i r misery ;o Misery  12:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no u r charming ;o 82.34.128.19 22:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no u. Misery  10:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no u 82.34.128.19 01:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll make me cry soon :< Misery  13:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't cry bebe <3 Owut 17:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * k Misery  08:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * btw that IP we shat on was so fucking bad, as was this balance update. Come GvG with me, bebe. <3 82.34.128.19 18:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't even log in to GW any more unless someone calls me on msn for something. I hear gimmicks are rampant, obaby. Misery  22:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello...yet again Misery
I see it as the question is to bait Shard, whether or not is to be true, if the IP hasn't realized why people rant, the ip is a little slow on the ball game.--ShadowFog 14:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess the question is, what is Shard trying to achieve? He seems to be taking the wrong approach, so far all he has achieved is that Izzy ignores everything he ever says, whether or not it has merit, and he gets himself banned occasionally. The IP's question is a valid one, but I doubt Shard would take it as anything other than bait. Look at his general discussion style, all salient points are ignored and he simply attacks weak points which are often barely relevant. If he gets backed into a corner he pretty much ignores everything that has been said. Opinions are quoted as facts very often with arbitrary decisions being portrayed as universal truth. I find all this highly amusing. My original question however was what exactly do you mean by "good try". I'm not really aware that I was trying to do anything. Misery  14:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the post to izzy is about game stuff and the question from ip is just a way to deviate the topic, that's why I don't see the lack of consistency and thats why I said "good try". Shard,or any other user for that matter, explaining why they rant is just silly, isn't to express dissatisfaction of certain entity? Then why ask this question towards Shard and Shard directly if the objective isn't it the same, to express dissatisfaction of certain entity? In this case towards the game. If that much is obvious, why ask the question in the first place? It's better for Shard just to let this one slide.--ShadowFog 14:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And knowing shard, that answer and it's follow up discussion against the IP might escalate into another ban, either to Shard or IP.--ShadowFog 14:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, who are you to decree that Izzy should answer your question directly while you can answer the IP's for Shard? In any case who knows what the IP's motives are? Maybe he is actually curious, maybe he is trying to deviate the conversation or perhaps he is trying to provoke Shard into saying something silly to get him banned? The internet is a fascinating place full of many fascinating people for when you are bored at work. Misery  14:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm a customer of Anet and so are you Misery, same goes to all of the GW players. We must deserve the right to ask this question as customer to a product. I don't know IP motives and in that I can quote you but to be on the safe side is better to ignore it. And yes, the internet is indeed full of interesting people! That much is true!--ShadowFog 14:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually as a customer you don't have any right to get a direct response from the lead game balancer. It's a privilege that was abused and has as a result, been largely rescinded for a majority of the gaming populace. Misery  14:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You got me there...well we could try and wait!(laughs) This is an example of what you mean. Did you see saw the "It's just a flesh wound!"? If it weren't for Kim Chase, he wouldn't even touch the skill(after a long time I reported the anomaly to Kim Chase)! From there I can interpret that this guy really doesn't pay attention to the wiki. Nice brainstorming session I might add. Im off to do something else with less CPU involve.--ShadowFog 15:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Tbh, balance is his prerogative, not bugs. Also I would have raged this wiki if I were him too. Sad that you leave me, I still have at least another hour of work. I've yet to see anyone willing to do his job that makes fewer retarded mistakes than he does, so I just wish that things hadn't gotten to the point where he was forced to largely ignore the community. Be nice if there was a better and willing candidate. Ah well, I only play GW these days when someone calls me for something on msn anyway, otherwise it's other games or other non-game related things. Misery  15:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, yes the IP is really curious. I am really curious in general why people feel the need to post their rants for everyone to see. If they just wanted to write things down, they could also do that in Notepad. However, because of Shard's aggressive debating style, I am particularly curious as to why Shard posted this particular rant. His style leads me to believe he has an angle, and I would really like him to say out loud that it is not to ruin anybody's fun, not to discourage people from playing GW and/or not getting even/extracting revenge on Anet/Izzy. 145.94.74.23 19:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I write things like this so that people can better understand me, as a person. I'm dissatisfied with the state of the game; that's not a question.  I advocate change, in the relevant places.  But other things, rants like the one in question, things not specifically made to get anyone in particular's attention, I post on my own user space (there are a lot of pages in my user space that aren't linked to).  The ones that have been made public aren't to somehow indirectly tell someone how much I hate them, but merely to make available some insight.  "What's your position?"  It's not a debate, it's the reference material to be called upon when there is a debate so that people won't have to ask what my position is.  Of course, I can't say for sure that that was Shard's reason for making said post, but that's what I'd conjecture.  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  00:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Raine, that's an acceptable answer to me. Thank you for taking the time to answer me in a polite manner, without any passive aggressiveness as some others have done. I truly appreciate it. 145.94.74.23 08:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally I think Shard does it for his fans. Misery  09:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Misery, I've never seen so much ignorance and fail come from a single person. Everything you've said about me on this page is wrong.  Also, I do not make rants "for my fans," I make them to make a point.  Which rant are we talking about, and which IP question haven't I answered?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That conversation is like two weeks old now so zzzzz. Misery  07:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, clearly you read the above very carefully, because the IP who had the unanswered question responded above. The question was from User_talk:Shard/Flaws and was about your motivation, which should be deducible from the direction of the above conversation and from the fact that you even attempted to answer it in your response to me. Thank you for the borderline personal attack by the way, I was rather hoping that comment would rile you if you ever read it, so thanks for being amusingly predictable. Now, let me explain the comment. You claim you are trying to make a point, a plausible hypothesis, now let's examine it. Who are you trying to make a point to? Clearly not the Arenanet staff, your abrasive style of communication causes them to mostly ignore you, so if that is your goal you are going about it very poorly. Perhaps members of this wiki? Well, either people here are experienced enough to already know that the balance in Guild Wars is terrible or they are Arenanet fanboys who will leap to Izzy's defence and ignore everything you say anyway. What about the new players? Could you hope to save them from their ignorance? Unlikely, new players are still at the stage where assassins and dervishes are the coolest classes ever. Updates like the last skill update make them happy because now their assassin totally pwns peoples faces in RA or sad because Aura of the Lich isn't as good for tanking in AB any more, whereas in reality the last update was probably full of the worst most broken skill changes I have ever seen where almost every change resulted in either an equally useless skill that will never see use or a stupidly overpowered skill that will be abused heavily. For new people they will fall into one of the two previous categories of Izzy fanboy or disillusioned eventually and your rants will have little effect. As such, unless you are failing horribly at your goal, I submit that you aren't trying to make a point to anyone and simply enjoy the infamy, which is why you continue to be aggressive in your criticism and highly abrasive. I submit that you are not just ranting because if that were the case you would just keep it to your user space, especially when it reaches the point of a potential arbcomm, and the steam would be let off. See I am assuming here through all of this that you don't totally fail at setting out what you are trying to achieve, by very the design of your own actions, am I incorrect in this assumption? Perhaps you wish to clarify exactly who you are trying to make a point to and what that point is? Misery  08:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * your abrasive style of communication causes [arenanet] to mostly ignore you
 * No, being arenanet is what causes them to ignore me. They ignore all their players equally, except white wasabi, they give him special privileges to maliciously violate the EULA.
 * which is why you continue to be aggressive in your criticism
 * No, my reason for being aggressively critical of people is because they're wrong and I'm telling them so.
 * I wrote it for people who are interested in game design, management, or balance. Many people on the wiki want to become (or are) game designers or programmers or something along those lines.  I'm giving them my angles, some of which they might not have seen.  Anet already reads 0% of what the players post here, so you're right, it wasn't for them.  The stuff I pm them in game is the only stuff they read, and I almost never get to do that as nobody at arenanet plays GW.  It wasn't for my "fanboys."  The only fanboys I have (or, the only ones I want) are the ones who like me because I know what I'm talking about.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification, it's appreciated. I'll note that in the future to get an answer from you all I have to do is be aggressive and accusatory. I do have to disagree on one point, there are two viable ways to balance a game, either have competent balancers and ignore the community completely or find the good knowledgeable people inside community and listen to their advice. Arenanet has apparently chosen the interesting option of listening to the advice of retarded people. At least this is what I can infer from recent balance updates. Now that I understand your goal I may read some of your articles again and try to apply constructive rather than destructive criticism so that upcoming game designers and balancers don't make brand new mistakes. Misery  08:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All you really have to do to get a response from me is to be more direct. I don't like bullshit and I don't like when people weave their way through a sentence, unless it's literature, in which case there's a point to it.  If you need to say or ask something, just say it.  I try to be thorough in responding to people.  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying me of Shard's reply Misery. 145.94.74.23 09:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Being aggressively critical doesn't do shit except make them ignore you, so I don't see why you keep doing it. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 13:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Originally I wasn't trying to get a response from you at all, I wasn't even asking the question, but I've been intruiged enough to continue this conversation, see my post here. Misery  13:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear Misery,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQAKRw6mToA You might also want to see the English interpretation (in related videos), which may be amusing since you might be able to understand the German, also.

GTFO,

-- Mafaraxas 11:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

1st
furzt :p Lilondra   *gale*  07:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

wtf? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 23:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf? Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 23:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Cursed Angel (talk). 23:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 00:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  12:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

"sup, you guys are spamming RC, can you tone it down?" Vili 12:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WTF ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  12:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf? The closest wtfs are 17 minutes apart, ~4 wtfs an hour is hardly going to make RC difficult to follow. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 13:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, that's one more page that I know for certain isn't on your watchlist, then. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 13:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm, no conclusion seemed to be reached there. I am confused as to what is an appropriate couse of action. I will leave it to the community to decide whether or not a wtf chain should be restarted on this page. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 13:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I hate to say it but, really? is this spamming rc? is anything of importance really happening on rc ever? i mean, the time between the "wtf"s are a bit too long to even appear on rc at the same time. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Cursed Angel (talk). 00:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just one thing, could you change your signature please so it doesn't look like an unsigned signature, it doesn't use a template, and doesn't include links it's not supposed to (rather ironically, you have a link to the signature policy which says template transclusion and non-userpage/user talk/contribs links aren't allowed). -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed that link, is this more acceptable? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 11:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. (Although some might have a problem with the length or the "unsigned comment" bit.) -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 15:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, well I was reading GWW:SIGN and noticed I didn't even have to sign my comments if I didn't want to, but thought it would be annoying for people to have to throw around the unsigned template every time I posted anywhere, then this idea amused me. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 15:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's technically wrong, since you're still signing it. Being annoying makes a stronger point than being hypocritical. - Auron 15:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Except I'm not trying to make a point, merely amusing myself. I will probably get sick of it eventually and revert to default signature until I think of something else that amuses me. Or perhaps if significantly more people than Brains seem to be annoyed, feel free to start a RFC if you find it disruptive, I'll abide by consensus. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 15:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Having Fun?
Special:Contributions/Misery <- Yeah.. I Lol'd -- Karasu (talk) 10:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you make reverting vandals fun you rush to do it. I get excited when I see gibber bots starting up. Also, you added that to my archive... I am guessing you used the link I use for archiving to add a comment, this is incorrect... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 10:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait... why is my archive full of mooing? I'm pretty sure that wasn't the first thing to happen to me. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 11:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * <-- that's why.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 12:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cunning Fake McMisery. How the hell do I revert that? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 12:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha lol.. I thought the archive was also part of your whole "not-signing, no-user-page, no-talk-page" theme. XD Didn't want to mess that nice clean talk page up. Moo? --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 13:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong moo. Nah, I just clear fairly regularly. My PvX talk page gets out of hand because people add to threads and it snowballs. I don't really want two talk pages like that. If you archive shit it kills discussions pretty quickly. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 13:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

how can a warrior

 * not* have IAS thats comparing dumb with dumber Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  16:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How can an elementalist *not* be retarded and just spam Flare consistently. You can't buff Flare or you will end up with Flareway. Remember what happened when they buffed Dark Pact? If a skill is vanilla it has to be weak. In any case an Eviscerate build does ~60 DPS spamming skills and maintaining Frenzy iirc and that takes half your skillbar, if you are going to make a comparison you would need to use half your skill bar to maximise the damage output of Flare (probably with 2 slots for double attunement) and take into account that Flare can't be blocked or blinded and there is no real penalty for getting interrupted because it has 0 recharge. I removed the note because it is basic maths + untrue worthless statement. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True that but tbh I said buff flare I never said buff the damage flare gives.Changing it to immolate would be a buff . And actually i'm just +- stating something ensign said.A warrior will do more damage and DW is not in the comparison either,Eviscerate is just one example what about Primal rage (yh I know dont compare to OP skills).Half of youre skill bar tbh Frenzy is on youre skill bar anyway and why the fuck am I saying this to you its not like you dont know it yet.

Ow comment on my balancepage Lilondra   *gale*  16:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, casters just shouldn't have significant damage. Frontloading damage on to your frontline with midline filling more utility roles is an excellent mechanic and the direction they should push balance. You could rework Flare and all the spammables if you really want to, but there are SO many bad non-elites anyway. Flare is fine for low level PvE, which is where you get it. I pew pew'd those Jacarandas so hard. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow scary,for once my thought of reality doesnt get blown apart.And I know but tbh PvE shouldnt be the concern in a PvP game Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  16:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not like we need Flare. If you can think of a utility skill for a fire elementalist that an existing underpowered/broken fire magic skill couldn't be reworked to I would be very impressed. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "for 1 second + aftercast delay you feel like a pokemon after that you feel like an idiot" TBH I dont know rly its more the thing that Perhaps this wiki should give slight hints to what skills are actually usefull and what skills arent at all.For example Power shot is Inferior in every way to similar skills Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  16:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been considering making a list of elite skills that never get used ever. Trying to be complete and include all areas of play, will have a section at the bottom "only in RA" I guess. Here we go User:Misery/Never used. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that is fairly complete for elites. It's a huge list. Makes you see why I didn't do it for normal skills. Would it be more worthwhile to list every elite and say where it is used? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 17:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Poison arrow + barbed arrows is ran every now and then and with every now and then I mean about never yh but not exactly never.It is run in TA and by byob,bad players or fun players in GvG Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  17:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * strike as one sees use in AB actually.Anyway will try to buff most of those not because izzy will ever read it just because its fun actually.It looks silly but its a nice way to kill time.I would prefer a balanced game though I'm so sad i never got to play the blue heal sig days :( only started when the end began : factions and EVEN I realised that when NF came out something was wrong Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  17:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear god, why would you use Strike as One over Melandru's Shot? I'm leaving Poison Arrow in "RA" because it's been pretty much replaced by Incendiary Arrows in condi-pressure. The "Only in RA" section means more people do occasionally use it, but they shouldn't. I'll move Strike as One down there. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 17:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * mainly byob and because seeing youre pet shadowstep all over the page just looks cool.And yes IA did,best buff would be unblockable I guess but I hate unblockable skills by heart.(I'm mainly a warrior rly) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  17:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW I'll try to find a use for those elites after I changed necro from Lame to cool tbh ,The thing is youre right that skills like flare can't just be buffed on damage.But I find it annoying that fire magic has no skill potential or atleast I dont see it.What is hard about click 50 damage click 120 damage click 300 damage click launch AOE click You turned HoH into Hiroshima great job! Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  17:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Linsey's response on Junundu
Not sure if you have been paying attention to Linsey's talk page so I thought I'd notify you that the question you asked her regarding the Junundu has been answered and moved to her temp archive here. -- Konig Des Todes 19:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks very much, I hadn't noticed that and had sort of thought it was forgotten. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 19:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol nice to know :o,TBH I found the mythology GW has much more atracting then the greek mythology,its fucking mental Oo Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  20:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Req. 9 Domination Inscribable Celestial Compass
Been trying to sell (not very hard) to sell this for a while with no serious offers. Does anyone have any interest? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 15:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I do. Problem is I'm not the kind of high-end weapon buyer. If the price isn't too high I might be tempted to give some plat for it. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I've heard it's worth ballpark 100k + x ectos. I suspect that ballpark is too big? Someone can feel free to correct me. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite possible - that's a range of prices I'm not willing to dare until my economics have settled down a bit. Celestial Compass is a very nice and wanted item. Have you tried one of the Auctions yet? I'm sure that once I can afford it - i'll find it somewhere. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I cba tbh, I've tried wiki talk pages and guild forum. I've stood in Kamadan once for ~15 minutes. I'll probably just take the first reasonable offer. I usually merch everything. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 16:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're serious about merching that beauty - i'd gladly take it off you ;-) I should've 10-20 to spare. This would look nice as a 20/20 offhand or variants.
 * Sold ;o --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 17:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IGN: Doctor Von Klotzach, we could do the trade tomorrow if you notice the other person is on GWW. I'm not planning to login to GW for the next couple of weeks except for the necessairy trades. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 17:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm sorry, I should have been less ambiguous, I mean I already sold it via another channel. One of my friends found a buyer. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 17:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh lawl, np. How much could you get though? (If I may ask XD) --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 100k+10e. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 18:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice ;-) --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, I thought you had lost your mind then misery when you said sold for 20k! lol -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 18:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In game gold is srs bsns. Misery  18:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe.. so did I. Wouldn't have sold it to make profit though. Would be far from fair to you. I just don't have the money to get all these things atm. I'm learning how to merch though, especially since the anti-farm code let me down miserably and I don't have access to a decent 600 or Sin atm. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 18:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I made all my gold using Rihlohn Refuge farming mostly. You can farm one handed while you do other things and I maxed Sunspear on the side. I stopped farming when I maxed sunspear, I go for efficiency so I won't farm again until I figure out a good one handed DoA farm for my necromancer. Misery  18:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Except for quite a few Corsairs, I don't really see much value in farming that mission =/ Necro's have a few nice farms. There are some bosses that you can cast spells on without being attacked. Bzzzr somethingwing is one of them. Build should be on PvX. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 18:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not the mission, there are a bunch of like 15 spiders that spawn nearby. You can farm them stupidly quickly, pick up sunspear points and the drops and rezone. I just merched it all and now I have like 350k in the bank and nothing I want to buy. Also got quite a few elite ranger tomes that I used because I am too lazy to skill cap, so now I have all ranger elites unlocked on that character. Now that's efficiecny. Misery  18:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Signature
Can you please change your signature? It is a bit annoying. Thanks. poke | talk 17:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh ffs, fine. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 18:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it had some charm.. ^^ (and some moo) --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] Karasu (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It had many moo. Misery  18:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you stop signing your comments then it will still be unsigned anyway. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 20:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * A good theory except I type ~ by reflex, which is a reflex that I do actually require on other wikis where it is against policy to not sign your comments. Sucks when you do it in a forum and everyone notices, in an email or chat window it's usually not so bad because the person has no idea what it means, you can tell them you were trying to be asian and cute. Misery  20:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)