Talk:Skill tome

Elite Tomes
I had an empty slot on my bar in an outpost and used an elite tome. This tome gave me a second elite skill on my bar (Got Shadow Form and already had Melandru's Arrows). This makes me think that if another 6 elite tomes were used it would be possible to have an entire bar full of elites, I'd test this but I dont feel like getting the tomes for it 64.53.184.116 18:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I realise this is an old note, but yes, you can have a bar of 8 eiltes, untill you leave the outpost, if you were to go out with these tomes, you would be left with the elite skill furthest to the right (skill #8 with 8 elites), likewise if you were to enter a mission, or return from an outpost after capping an elite skill. R evelation talk 07:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha, I just discovered this. I was D/Mo with Avatar of Lyssa and a Mo rez, switched to D/Rt, learned SoS with a tome, then looked down.... --70.173.28.17 17:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I can Also Confirm this happening to me, It allowed Flashing blades with Avatar of Grenth--67.21.108.188 21:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)Febuary 2010

stackable?
- Drago 19:45, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
 * God, I hope so. Then again I've only had 2 so far of different types :D -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 20:09, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yes they are stackable. Kyrasantae 04:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Confirmed. My second warrior tome for my Ranger/Warrior, which already has all skills... - MSorglos 16:01, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

acquisition
So what drops these things? Ii've been playing hard mode for a while haven't seen any so far. -- Gordon Ecker 04:10, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I've gotten a couple of elite tomes from chests and bosses, while the regular ones drop from regular mobs (I think? my memory's sort of hazy on these). --Dirigible 04:26, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yup; reg from regs - had a War, Derv and Mes so far -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 04:54, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Do the ones from bosses and regular mobs correspond to the creature's profession? -- Gordon Ecker 05:30, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * All of the ones I've had dropped so far were from bosses/monsters of the corresponding profession - but this is only a total of 5 so isn't necessarily 100% accurate [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I think that Tomes only drop from a certain class for a certain tome, to explain, say the avatar of baltazar will only drop a dervish tome as it class is a dervish, can anyone varify this, or even agree?i know this is asked before but a study would be helpful and would make the tomes easier to aquire, eh? -- Finbarr
 * you all are right. The profesion of the enemy determines the type of tome.

Number of skills learned
How many skills you can learn with one Tome? Only one, or all unlocked skills? And with an Elite? Shouldn't this be added in a way? &mdash; FHM TALKS 05:56, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I think it's one skill per tome, but I'm not completely sure. I've altered the descriptions to reflect that assumption. -- Gordon Ecker 06:01, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The item description when you mouse over them says "Uses remaining:1" and I haven't found anyone who has received a tome offering more than one use yet [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * And they're not going to. It also says that about Pumpkin Pie and Ale unless they're stacked. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.172.5.190.

Gallery
Shall we make a gallery on this page with each icon for each tome? Will look much better than adding them all to the infobox (unless Smurf or somebody does some heavy retouching). I could remove the inventory BG and dropshadow it, but I would rather let Smurf or someone do it since they probably have a standard on dropshadow positioning. I have an elite mesmer tome. If needed, I can upload a screenie. Eldin 10:29, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * A gallery would be nice - guildwiki have beaten us to that one lol - but if someone can come up with evenly sized icons then it would be a good idea, yes [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 10:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * As a matter of interest - are those of you using "recent" browsers seeing the icons with a transparent background? I'm stuck with IE6 (on NT4 :/) at the moment, and they have a black background which looks terrible. It gives the optical illusion that the whole image-box is skewed. -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:51, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * You are correct, they are jpgs with black backgrounds, and they definitely do look skewed! We've been trying to use white backgrounds on GuildWiki. — [[Image:User_Kyrasantae_Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] kyrasantae  15:40, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Heh, silly me - if I'd bothered to actually look at the file type, I'd have known. PNGs is where it's at ^_^ -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 15:53, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I have added a table for the gallery, all we need now is the images :) -- Lemming64 19:40, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Both .png and .gif can have transparent BGs, naturally .pngs are better quality. I don't know about the necro icon, but that icon in the infobox (the larger one) was stole-err, borroed, from the Hard Mode Facts Sheet. I'm about to upload the elite mesmer icon, BTW. (Yes it's transparent'd) [[Image:esig2.jpg]] Eldin 19:56, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The mesmer and ele non elite tome images seem to be of a different quality than the rest. -- Lemming64 17:35, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I haven't collected good pics of them yet, that's all. Let them drift in. — [[Image:User_Kyrasantae_Fin_sig.gif]]  kyrasantae  12:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Drop research
Observed drops for Skill Tome

I don't really see the point in this, any monsters in hard mode has a chance to drop a skill tome, and any boss has a chance to drop an elite one. -- Lemming64 17:34, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * It's information for information's sake. This can confirm what's already known and can confirm that drops are creature profession-dependent. It might even help identify the profession of some creatures whose profession is not known. If it the end it turns out to be pointless, then this can be summarised and discarded. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 22:05, 24 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Also just looking at the above, but we may discover that skill tomes only drop from their corresponding professions NPCs (of course, if we have one conflicting report, that very preliminary theory goes out the window quickly), but its nice to be confirmed one way or the other :). --Indecision 22:21, 24 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Yeh, they only drop their corresponding profession tome. &mdash; Skuld 04:02, 25 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Though if a Paragon or Dervish one dropped in Tyria or Cantha, that would be interesting. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 08:51, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Also of note, the Ranger Tome dropped by the Corsair Raider above was a secondary drop (the same Raider also dropped a Longbow). Not sure if this is normal drop behaviour for Tomes, has anyone else found them as additional drops? --Indecision 07:57, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Interesting... though I've never seen it in all my grand total of 4 skill tomes :D Could it have been two raiders who died at the same time? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 01:53, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Definitely not, I was paying attention at the time, and there was no other raiders around :). I think I'm up to about 10 tomes or so, only one as an additional so far. --Indecision 03:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I saw someone in the Tomb of the Primeval Kings picking up "2 Elite Mesmer Tomes" as a lockedchest drop. Can someone confirm that it is possible for them to drop in pairs? 80.100.166.50 03:08, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Confirmed, I just got 2 elite monk tomes from a locked chest together :D -- Lemming64 19:17, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
 * As an addition, bone fiends in Cathedral of Flames drop ranger tomes, for those "creatures whose profession is not known". Darksong Knight 17:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just started to do my elite skill title so have taken to farming my Elite Tomes in an effort to save money and have added 7 Eliet Tome drops, 1 for each profession I have got so far. The time in me signature is the time I added each one and not the time I got the drop. I got all the drops in the last few days though. In regards to Tomes dropping at the same time as other items, I've had that a few times now, I've even had greens drop with an Elite Tomes. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]]  Titan Crow  22:25  21 July 2009 (UTC)

Well read
Anyone else think that reading tomes should give you wisdom progress? -- Dashface 07:28, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Good idea! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 08:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They already give you Skill Hunter Progress though. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.172.5.190.

move proposal
I suggest no, they are named Tomes in game if you read the text of one, I realise this is a generic name for 20 different items but I don't see why the move is needed in this case. -- Lemming 16:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Move fits with GWW:NAMING because it's not a proper noun. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Use the same name as the in-game "label" - the in game label states Tome not tome. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is directly under "Use the exact in-game spelling for proper nouns". - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

PvP editions
If someone has the PvP edition of campaign X but not the regular version, can they use skill tomes to learn skills from that campaign? -- Gordon Ecker 10:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to have the skill unlocked to get via a Tome Which means the skill is already avaible for evry PvP charr--Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 20:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Gaining Exp
Would i gian Exp if its an elite tome? if so could i get to lvl 20 without a second proffesion? -81.77.127.154 21:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The gaining of experience by the capturing of an elite skill with a signet is made possible by the effects of the signet, not the capturing. So no, especially since you are not capturing the skill but merely learning it. The second question is extremely irrelevant, but I will answer it in that the purpose of not having a second profession is also extremely irrelevant. In Prophecies, you can get to level 20 through death leveling (See Defender of Ascalon) in Pre-Searing, but to leave you must complete the Path to Glory quest, which is preceded by the secondary profession quest. In Factions, the secondary prof quest is also a primary quest, and makes your goal even more unreachable based on the fact that you cannot progress to the higher level areas before going further in the storyline. In Nightfall, the impossibility of this is between the other campaigns, as death leveling is possible, but you will not be able to do any missions beyond the very first. I hope that helps, or rather hinders, your plans to be marked as a noob in your choices. But then again, this is so verbose you probably won't read it. Chaiyo Kaldor 17:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Also in Nightfall you can get to lv 20 get run to docks run to Kaineng Center then do quests BOOM there you go lv 20 no second prof thats what i did on my ranger

Second Proffession
Would a creature with 2 proffession like a W/E Charr Bladestorm als drop a warrior tome and a elementalist tome --Fox007  20:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No

General Picture for the article?
I found this in gw.dat. Looks slightly diffrent then other tomes. Does anyone know what this could be? Or if there is a pic for a "common" tome? —Zerpha The Improver 14:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * On guild wiki they use two generic images for the tomes that were on the gw.com website when tomes were first introduced. I think a generic picture like those or this one is misleading as there is no item that uses that image in the game. So it would purely be for aesthetic purposes. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 18:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Titles
Will using an elite tome to learn a skill bugger my Elite (whatever) Skill Hunter track?--Glenforder 04:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, if you have a lot of money it makes it a darn sight easier. -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 06:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The day I bought NF, unlocked WotSin and then got it with an elite assa tome, i got 1 point towards elonian skill hunter. Ninjas In The Sky 09:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Elite skills you learn through an elite tome do count for Skill Hunter title track. - 201.66.182.26 07:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Probability
What is the probability that a boss drop an elite tome? Is somehow variable?82.58.195.177 21:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Im also curious, does anyone know the drop chance? Or if its mentioned anywhere on wiki, could someone please point me to it. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  17:37  11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Come on!, has no-one got any clue what the drop chance is of Elite Tomes? [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  09:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure it's the same as from Locked Chests something at 6-7%. Would match the experiences I've made with boss drops. Blacks 11:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

trade
are these tomes tradable --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:209.226.132.43 (talk). can these tomes be freely traded to players even in normal mode? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:209.226.132.43 (talk).
 * Of course.  Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 20:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Bug
i experienced an odd bug today, where the trading session was cancelled when trying to trade an elite warrior tome for 5k. Didn't work until i put a bolt of cloth in the first slot, and he traded me a piece of cloth and an unidentified blue spear as well as the money. I didn't think to test it further, can anyone else test this? it was between a W/E and a Me/Mo, in the eye of the north, trading a tome found in the COF in hard mode on the same mesmer. has anyone seen this bug before? 24.108.208.160 03:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * He didn't have room in his inventory... thats why he offered you two things and the money, and you offered 2. It came out even and in the end he had a full inventory again.--67.86.113.242 16:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I had the same issue last night (August 12.) and we both had room in inventory. Elite sin tome from sin to sin and 4k was the amount of money. Would it be something to do with some kind of trade fix? Didn't try with Tome to me and cash + item to him, so can't be sure. --Tj --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:212.54.17.197 (talk).

Price
Hey i have a question how much r they worth????? 68.35.221.239 23:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That question would be better answered in a fansite or forum like GWGuru... or just by going to Lion's Arch and checking the buy/sell list. We try to avoid giving that information here as it may be misused.--Fighterdoken 23:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Secondary Prof.
Can a warrior/paragon use a paragon tome to learn a paragon skill?71.132.154.40 17:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 17:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember however, the skill has to already be unlocked on the player's account. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Useless Note !
"It rarely happens that one can get two tomes (either regular or elite tome) of the same profession from one Locked Chest. "

Its a matter of statistic... it is like playing dice, there is always less chance to get a double, than any other combination.... Elephant 08:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe what the note is attempting to express is that sometimes when you open a locked chest, you'll get two tomes instead of one (of the same type and profession, with one lockpick usage). It's rare, but it does happen. The note could be better-worded, though. - Tanetris 08:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The note is also vague. Does this mean that a locked chest does not have a bias on not dropping the same tome twice? Also, does it mean that it is not possible to get a regular tome and an elite tome tome for the same profession? -Decollete 04:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It means that sometimes a chest will drop a small stack of tomes rather than a single tome. I've clarified the note. -- Gordon Ecker 04:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was just guessing. I haven't seen a tome (nor tomes) drop from a chest before. - Decollete 17:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GWG topic about more-than-one tome dropping from the same chest (for the same character).
 * Seems the game will randomly choose what loot each player will get before they open the Locked Chest (probably when the chests spawn in the map). If more than one player would get the same Tome/Elite Tome/other stackable(?), they'll drop as a stack instead of individually dropping one tome per player.
 * Another thread also says that this (multiple drops for one player) could make the chest to become "empty" to other player.
 * Never heard of anyone getting multiple tomes from a locked chest when doing H&H or soloing. Sure, maybe I just didn't really search that much... --NIN37 13:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of Normal Tomes
I utterly fail to understand the need for these tomes in non-elite. I already have a method for learning skills that have been unlocked on my account: the nearest skill trainer. What am I missing here?JgzMan 02:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A found ome equals 1 platinum for the skill trainer. Additionally many players will sell most tomes for less then 1 platinum resulting in some money saved. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  02:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Another question to follow : If tomes do nothing more than skill trainers, why are some tomes worth more than 1k ? 89.87.1.6 23:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * They also don't require a skill point, so you can use them on a brand new character.My Profession Gender 06:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, you can learn skill from other campaigns. Which, if your a new character you won't have access to untill your nearly fully leveled. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  08:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, no normal tome sells for > 1k. Elite tomes, however, can certainly sell for lots more. -- Hong 09:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Time for a tome trader NPC?
Maybe a tome trader similar to the mats traders? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Aro (talk).
 * That is simply pointless. What would Skill trainers do in the game if there was a Tome Trader? For that, then Anet just would need to allow all kill trainers to train all the available skills. No. - Inflame 10:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Tome's can't be used to learn skills unless you've already unlocked them, and only skill trainers can teach Signet of Capture. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The way prices are going with farming, when's the last time you actually got a skill from the trainer? Personally visit hero skill trainers or buy a cheap tome if a skill requirement pops up, no point spending 1k. It's a convenience thing instead of Spamadan for an hour unloading your 70 sin tomes or 50 mes tomes. Aro 07:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about normal skill tomes (as said before, kind of covered by the skill trainers); however, an Elite Tome Trader would be nice (kind of like a Rare Scroll Trader). It would still force the person to unlock the elite on their account before learning it, and it may help keep tome prices stable. As for downsides, it allows for quicker access to Elite Tomes, but I really don't think ANet wants us to be spending an hour in Kamadan just to buy a tome. Blood Red Giant 08:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Class-specific drops?
Do these drop from any enemy? Or are they class-specific? Like, do Necromancer tomes only drop from enemy Necromancers? Aldarik 14:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, tomes only drop from their corresponding enemy classes. Enemy Monks don't drop Ranger tomes.  Elysea  [[Image:User_Elysea_ElyseaSignatureImage.jpg|19px]] 03:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Elite Mesmer Tomes in NF
I noticed while trying to farm Eshim Mindclouder for Elite Mesmer Tomes, that he does'nt drop them (or hasn't yet after about 100 kills by me and 50 by someone else). So I went to farm Yammiron, Ether Lord instead and got nothing from him either, I have only done him 20+ times so far though but I just thought I'd post this here to save time doing it another how-ever-many times more before I find out that they don't drop.

If someone could confirm that they do drop in NF, then I reckon that it's a problem with Eshim and if I keep on with Yammiron, I'll get one eventually. In the event of it being Eshim, I'll mention it on his talk page again. Cheers. Titan Crow 18:36  14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a comment on Eshim's page asking the person that killed him 50 times "did you find another Mesmer boss to farm?" and he just replyed "Rual, Stealer of Hope is a decent farm, though she has a crappy drop rate as well. I get a tome once every 20 runs or so, I think. But I don't think it's a bug, I think it's something more to the order of ANet realizing that bosses really close to outposts were going to get farmed, and they decreased the drop rates accordingly". So that confirms that they do drop in NF and gives a very good possible reason why Eshim hasn't droped one yet.


 * So you can all ignore my little conversation with myself, as I've asked and answered myown question, lol. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  19:13  14 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
I think the text of the trivia should be changed to read, "There are players of Guild Wars who are bad spellers." Seriously though, the fact that some people misspell "tome" as "tomb" is trivia?218.40.186.68 22:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)Ryoko
 * It's a quite common misspelling, similar to the way people seem to think an armbrace is a brace for your am. The fact that people are always looking to buy and sell "tombs" in Trade chat makes it significant, in my opinion. --Irgendwer 22:38, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Can Tomes be used to acquire PvE skills?
I was just attempting to use some Tomes to build my newly post-searing Warrior a Nice build, and found that Tomes apparently cannot be used for PvE skills, even those that are profession-specific. Assuming I'm not missing something, this article could perhaps use a note to this effect.
 * Durr, didn't sign. --Mercenary 02:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't be here
I'm not sure if I can revert myself, but I'm pretty sure ''Instead of using a regular tome, a skill unlocked on your account can also be acquired from any skilltrader in the campaign the skill belongs in.  shouldn't be on this page as it has no direct relevance (<no idea how it's spelled) to the item tomes, I instead suggest placing it on the Skill page if it's not already there-- Mark,     het Beest''  11:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)