Talk:Main Page/September-December 2007

Hero's Acent Unoffical Term
Could someone make a page explaining for new players to HA some of the unoffical terms, eg. Zergway, Spiritway. it can be really hard (first hand knowledge) to find these things out when experienced players are just interested in recruiting and, understandably, don't like explaining things to new players.

Thanks

to answer your question try a build website for guild wars like |pvx they usually have builds how to use it ETC.t   priestess donut  + 04:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, what he means is that we should have pages like Zergway and Spiritway. We should actually, but Guild Wars Wiki:Policy/Builds is still inconclusive. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 06:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiki 'lag spikes'
I've had this for weeks now and finally decided to bring it up. The seems to be having some sort of 'lag spikes' of some sort very often. During using the wiki it suddenly stops responding at all, no pages can be loaded at all. Other websites do load normally during this time, so this isn't anything at my end. It irritates me very much when the wiki stops responding for half a minute every few minutes, making reading and contributing slow. Anyone else having this? Any solutions? Too much bandwidth used? -- (gem / talk) 09:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Same problem for some weeks here. poke | talk 12:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * same here two but it works if you go to another site and try again since i have it bookmarked so it really fast to fix on your own.'''[[User talk:Priestess donut|t ]]  priestess donut  + '''19:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I only notice this on first load of the site during a particular browser session. The first load is ridiculously slow, but afterward, everything works blazingly quick. &mdash;Tanaric 00:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been slow all around for me. I was beginning to think my net was capped. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Packet loss or something? Seems a quick subsequent click or two will have the server respond just fine. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 02:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi guys. I've passed this along to IT. Thanks for mentioning it! --[[Image:UserEmilyDiehlStar.gif]] Emily Diehl (talk) 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I get this occasionally as well. It seems to be isolated to mediawiki exclusively, as the same thing occurs on every wiki I use...though not all the wikis at the same time....usually just one, and usually if there's several windows open to various pages.  It always seems to correct itself if I reboot (which dumps the cache on my machines).  Nothing else seems affected when it occurs, and it seems to occur on all browsers (IE, Netscape and FireFox for certain)  Hopefully this helps track down the source of the issue.  Gwynna Vive 04:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * just to tell you guys im getting lag when getting to pages.'''[[User talk:Priestess donut|t ]]  priestess donut  + '''01:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Pictures much?
Usually one the main page of a site you want as little pictures as possible so people don't get bored from waiting for the pictures to load. Is the Guild Wars logos for all of the caimpaigns really that important? Why don't we just replace it with one Eye of the North logo. Antiarchangel 23:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You have a point there. Never thought about loading time of the main page as I've directly bookmarked my watchlist, but it might indeed make this wiki more attracting to new users with slow internet to remove the images. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 23:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At that size the pictures are less than 20k each, meaning even on a modem you are talking 2seconds to load the page at the most. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 00:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You haven't seen what WLAN can cause. images like that can actually irritate users with a bad wlan connection like me when I'm at the uni. (note, this isn't a real problem for me as I know how to disable images from the browser and therefor a nice looking main page isn't a problem) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 00:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I brought this up ages ago, no change then, either. &mdash; Skuld 10:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Complete Main Page without cache is 238KB (including my additional css/js files). It would be 77KB lesser without the images. This is not a big problem imo.. poke | talk
 * I don't think it's a huge problem to remove them either, we can just put up text links to the campaigns in the boxes instead. They aren't that important in our page design, imo. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 14:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah, lets remove the logo while we're at it - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 14:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For me the mainpage is at 197KB. Of this 62KB is in the CSS/JS (which will get cashed). All pictures are 128KB in total those will be cached as well. I don't really see much reason to delete the images from the frontpage. Once you download them they are cached anyway. And the loading will take quite a while for slow connections anyway cause the CSS and JS still have to get cached. If you want to make it friendly for everyone then do something about the huge CSS/JS files as well. Those actually slow down more then the pictures. Also if you give the pictures a static height and width then the page won't move one the picture is loaded. It is shown in quite some research that people don't mind slow loading images as long as the page doesn't move. Since the attributes are set right on the wiki there isn't really a need to delete the pictures. - Damadmoo 14:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see a reason to remove the pictures, I'm on 24k dialup and the page snaps right up fine for me. -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png]] 03:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me just pose one question: Do you know any user who always sits in front of his screen and wait for the Main Page images to fully load before daring to click on any link? In a world of online gaming, I would assume that it's perfectly safe to assume that the average connection speed of a gamer to be better than dialup. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 09:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Guildwiki!!
Guildwiki for the win! 68.83 13:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yay! Do try to get along with the Wikia community. I hope you're not trolling. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 17:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Trolls smell:P 68.83 20:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not anymore it isn't. -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png]] 03:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Almost 4 million views!
HoorayXzabre 20:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * New sections go to the bottom please, not right smack in the middle of the page :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 05:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Game mechnics
Unless I have missed it, there is no listng on the main page, that links to a game mechanics section - a section that encompasses damage, experience, map travel and so on. Can we add something like this? LeFick 16:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is best if you propose this here, or directly edit this into the editcopy. --Xeeron 17:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking around, I don't think we have any such pages. About the closest we have is Category:Glossary, which is already linked, and its subcategories (including Category:Game mechanics)... If anyone's up for making Game mechanics into an actual article, I'd support putting it under the Game Basics section. - Tanetris 18:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at it. Or would that be a stub at it? (pun intended) LeFick 18:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Tango anyone?
Well, seeing as we seem to be taking the more, "tangoish" route, why don't we make our page like Wikipedia (Italian)? There Main Page is so...shiny...XD-- §  Eloc   §  23:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've noticed a lot more Tango icons, and I like them. I'd be in full support of any brightener, like the Italian page, minus the Italian, or a brightening "Tangoization" of the Main Page.  Calor  - talk
 * I could use a more Guild Wars touch to the site, with some color adjustments for sure. How about making it like Trickster Wiki? --Lustre Of Havoc 12:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Atleast...
You'll get a significant boost of patronage from those abandoning the other Guild Wiki due to ... well, evil. 211.26.115.26 08:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And your point is....? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 00:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think he means that alot of people are coming over to here now that Guildwiki is a sell out.-- §  Eloc   §  02:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Aberrant understands what he means, but it's a worthless comment; hence the "and your point is...?" - Auron 02:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok.-- §  Eloc   §  02:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Icon update
I realise the update news and events icon looks a little borked, but once the cache catches up, there will be a lovely one there. :) Bring on Halloween '07! -- Lemming 16:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * just saw love it.t  priestess donut  + 18:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * XD, looks sweet. We gonna change it for Wintersday after?-- §  Eloc   §  03:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Halloween themed wiki ftw. You got quite the laugh from me when I saw it today :) --Goteki-45 12:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Much appreciaton for this! Great idea! - Thulsey  [[Image:User Thulsey good.gif|Zheng]] - talk 13:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Waaaaaaai!!! It would be absolutelly cool making this for all those events with unique event items. I can imagine it in wintersday! MithranArkanere 15:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

suggestion
change "gear and equip" to "fear and equipment" and link to halloween stuff ;) - Y0_ ich_halt  18:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * lol, that would be fun :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 18:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be great! Whoever thought of changing to a halloween theme should get a medal xD Kypp Duron 19:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can take partial credit for the initial color scheming idea, but nothing else beyond that [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  20:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

New pages
What happened to the smaller links underneath the line, "We are maintaining # articles"? I like to look there and see if any new weapons/pics were added. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Lustre.
 * Click on special pages (in the side menue) and "new pages". Alternatively, go to recent pages (also side menue) and choose new pages from the menue at top. About the question: I must have gotten removed in one of the main page revisions. --Xeeron 15:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, whoever added it must not have updated the edit copy for future synchronisations. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 18:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The line was not lost during syncs. See [ this] and the following revisions. poke | talk 18:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Extra space on Main Page
Not sure if it was like this before the recent Halloween changes but there seems to be a lot of extra space to the right of the content which causes the horizontal scroll bar to appear. It only seems to occur on the Main page as well as the Edit Copy page. Even though it doesn't affect viewing the pages, I was just wondering if there's any particular reason it's doing that. -- Kakarot  22:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't get that myself, could you perhaps post a screenshot to demonstrate it? Also what resolution do you run on? -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's IE7. I narrowed it down to the font-style: italic; in the Latest update template. Here's a quick fix http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Guild_Wars_Wiki%3ASandbox&diff=464788&oldid=464787 -12.219.161.172 23:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I use 1280x1024 resolution and IE7 (so it might only affect IE users), I uploaded a lower-res screenie of the problem here, hopefully thats what you mean Lemming :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 23:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've modified Latest update to use the tag rather than CSS italics, is the problem still there? [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah it is unfortunately. Oddly enough it only appears to happen when the screen is maximized, when I restore it the problem disappears. -- Kakarot  [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 00:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is just what I meant yes Kakarot, hopefully it will help us rectify the problem. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 00:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I never noticed that before, but you're right, it is there for some reason or another. Maybe this is a wiki bug?-- §  Eloc   §  03:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's just an IE7 bug (using version 7.0.5730.11). Here's a simple form of the bug:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">  IE7 italics bug text
 * It can be fixed by adding  to the div style. -Smurf 05:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Added, any still existing problems? (After refreshing.) [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It fixed it for me. However, now the page isn't valid . Could you remove the tags and put back the ? Mediawiki is adding a &lt;p&gt; element inside the &lt;em&gt; element. -Smurf 05:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Poke :) -Smurf 05:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome ;) poke | talk 05:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep that fixed it, I also checked the latest version of Template:Latest_update and it was valid (checked since Smurf mentioned validation for an old version) so thanks to the people that got it fixed. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed for me here.-- §  Eloc   §  16:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI:
We overtook guildwiki on total page views :) *ahem* not that it is a competition or anything. -- Lemming 02:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We have a lot more stub, empty, and short pages still compared to GuildWiki. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 02:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Who cares? They also started how long before we did? I'd say we're doing much better than GWiki did when it first started out. [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  03:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, we easily got the upperhand here with the F10 feature.-- §  Eloc   §  03:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And yet, the general ignorance on this wiki far outstrips anything seen on the old one... this thread proves it. - Auron 04:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Special:Statistics isn't correct since they turned off the page counters, so it will be forever stuck on 206,279,041. Anyone know when they turned it off? -Smurf 07:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Best to ask Fyren. I know I've heard the reason, but I forgot the details. It was a technical problem. - Auron 07:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a very dumb conversation especially since, as Smurf points out, the page counter was disabled when GuildWiki installed caching proxies. Their number of pageviews far exceeds 206,279,041.


 * Please stop making comparisons between GWW's "success" and GuildWiki's. LordBiro 10:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, both have and will have their specialties. This wiki will most likely not win GWiki in every area ever, but it has already done so in some areas. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 18:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Site information
Not sure if the link will work without people with McAfee but here's all the info on GWW including how many users use it & where it links to on a concept map. . I thought it was just neat when the site was established and shows that it's safe and stuff.-- §  Eloc   §  04:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well that was a waste of 5 seconds... &mdash; Skuld 15:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * terrible comment 67.131.227.19 11:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/guildwarsguru.com also, this is just wrong, "Adware, spyware, or viruses", its a goddam cookie.. i'm not going try and explain what a cookie is to you again... &mdash; Skuld 15:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So, 3rd party cookies aren't good at all. They send you spam/spyware majority of the time & they are both picked up by both Norton and McAfee.-- §  Eloc   §  17:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Cookies can't send you anything. They're just a short textstring. 3rd party ones are bad as they allow tracking of behaviour, something advertisers want to target ads. Backsword 17:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cookies are not that horrible. There are only privacy concerns regarding user tracking. You can't get spyware or spam on to your machine from those cookies. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#Misconceptions -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 19:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Any site that flags a cookie as a security risk needlessly panics most users who don't understand what a cookie can and cannot do. Once a user adequately understands cookies, they can better manage them.  To me, it's more of an issue with the user and their PC rather than being an issue with the site viewed.
 * I find a more meaningful way of looking at site rankings is Alexa.com. But even there it's not perfect: you can't get a report at any better granularity than domain name (ie: you can get a report on guildwars.com, but not wiki.guildwars.com) - but this is a limitation of nearly all free site statistic tools that I've seen. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * BAREK YOU SUCK. WHY WOULD YOU PARTICIPATE IN THIS NEW GUILDWIKI?  YOU SUPPORT TWO COPIES OF THE SAME THING?  THIS ONE IS WAY WORSE THAN THE OTHER ONE?
 * OH HEY BTW, ARE YOU STILL ADMIN OF THE other GUILD WIKI? 67.131.227.19 11:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I still think it's kind of rude that Skuld got all mad that I told McAfee that Guild Wars Guru has tracking cookies on their site.-- §  Eloc   §  23:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Grow a pear. &mdash; Skuld 00:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok...-- §  Eloc   §  00:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Take it easy, Skuld. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while? Think you can do that for us all sport? --- Raptors / RAAAAAAAAAA!
 * I don't like pears. They're too gritty. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 11:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Progression Tables
What is wrong with them? I thought progression tables went this way ->, not down :/ --Relyk 02:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If they are too wide to fit in the window they scale to size otherwise the would go under the infobox and not be able to be read. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 05:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a bug I have also experienced. In a 1440*900 resolution (and my previous two: 1024*768; 1280*1024), occasionally they go directly down, not wrapping properly.  I'll try to submit a screenshot of this ASAP.  &mdash;Ebany  Salmonderiel  18:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you try to use  on one of that pages? It should be fixed then.. poke | talk 21:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)