Guild talk:Ravens Shadow/Archive:July 2007

=July 2007=

Changes
Sorry for all those changes I made, I was just testing out something, But i reverted all changes made back to normal. Hanks Gotcha 18:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats fine. Rein Of Terror 21:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess you guys saw was I was "attempting" to do with all the page links. Glad you guys got it. It's been a while since I've been on this wiki stuff so it might take a little bit to refresh my memory, lol Hanks Gotcha 12:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, thats fine. Rein Of Terror 14:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I cleaned up the page a bit, for example we don't need 2 redirect pages just so people can know who to contact. 2 much and annoying. Another thing the alliance table should be at the bottom of the page, not in the middle. We don't need an editing guide nor do we need a page credits. These 2 are also pointless. Hanks Gotcha 15:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Officer Tag
This is a great tag that officers can put on their user page. Heres the code..... Hanks Gotcha 16:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hank...
Hank, can you not take stuff off the page without asking me, Ignatius, or Raven. Me and Ignatius created this page for use of the guild, not for you to free edit whenever you feel we dont need something. Rein Of Terror 17:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If you are going to use things that I typed for your userpage, I would appreciate it if you would ask me.
 * I dont have to ask you to do anything. When you submit things you give permission for anyone to copy. Second I dont have to ask you to edit anything nor take anything off besides Raven. You nor Ignatius are the leaders of this guild and I have every right to edit it. As a result I will put a slash on you comments as they are rude and violate the Guild rules. Hanks Gotcha 18:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Raven didnt put some of the stuff on there...I DID...meaning it would be nice if I was asked.
 * Dude you need to grow up and realize that this guild isnt yours and this Wiki page isnt yours. Hanks Gotcha 18:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you guys take this argument to either your own guild forums, in game messaging, or IM, this really isn't the place. One or both of you may get banned for GWW:NPA if you keep this up. -- Lemming64 18:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that this portion need to be deleted since it does violate GWW:NPA Hanks Gotcha 18:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright this is reins page, I mean he did just start it out of the blue, and could you please talk in the game so I dont have to talk here.Ignatius Vulcan 19:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As a comment for you Ignatius: nobody can claim pages to be theirs. If you have a guild policy that states that only one person may edit this wiki page - fine. But this cannot be ensured here and does not give any reason for revert wars. Please solve your personal problems and don't take this fight over to this wiki. Thanks. - MSorglos (talk|contrib) 19:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I didnt say it was his page I was pretty much trying to say that without him it wouldnt be here. And i dont wanna fight over wiki but hank wont talk in the game to solve this problem.Ignatius Vulcan 19:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The spirit of a wiki is not that the creator of a page has ownership of it or some kind of special rights. Completely the opposite in fact. -- Lemming64 19:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright but, if you made a page and you thought it was good, would you like someone to completeley change things without asking you?Ignatius Vulcan 19:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That is not the point, and not how wiki's work. What one person think is good, another may not. It is up to the community to come to a consensus in a general sense, hence formatting guidelines. -- Lemming64 19:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright this conversation is over.Ignatius Vulcan 19:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Anouncements
Please don't use your guild page for announcements about guild meetings and such like as per GWW:GUILD, in particular the line stating: Guild pages shall not be used to contact the guild members. -- Lemming64 17:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In addition I have removed your protected page template as that is for admin use only when actually protecting a page, your page is not protected and you have no right to say it is. If you wish to stop other members of your guild editing it that is a matter for yourself to take up with your own guild members. Other members of the wiki should only be editing your guild page when it contravenes a set policy. -- Lemming64 17:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Perfectly fine, btw I'm not a member but an officer who will take this matter up with our guild leader. Hanks Gotcha 18:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is perfectly fine. By the way to you...I am also an officer, that happens to be the one that set this page up.

Ok...
Hank, I didnt say I was the leader so dont even start saying that, and me and rein did set up the page so instead of changing stuff around you could atleast ask (maybe that would save and argument). And rein has every right to put stuff anywhere, because without him this page wouldnt even be here.Ignatius Vulcan 18:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok...I never said he didnt See my talk page to see what another user wrote about this. Hanks Gotcha 18:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok this is getting a bit ridiculous now, Stop reverting each other's edits. Go cool off or something and decide amongst yourself who is responsible for the housekeeping of the page. Pretty soon you will both be in violation of guild wiki policy regarding reverts. If this continues I will ask an admin to take action which may result in both of you receiving a temporary ban. You have a chance to resolve this amongst yourselves, I would ask that you do that.


 * Just to clarify, I am not an admin, just a concerned community member. However this argument clearly does not belong here. -- Lemming64 18:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

"Revert" war
Please stop this revert war. You should talk to each other (via TS or Chat or anything else) to get your problems with each other solved, try to make clear what your guild page should look like and then make a clean version of this guild page. I suggest an alphabetic list of officers - no one is prefered this way. - MSorglos (talk|contrib) 18:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll do that Hanks Gotcha 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Page
I'm glad we have a page now, it will be easier for all of us to keep track of anouncements and such. For those who don't know I would like everyone to sign their comments with 4 tildes (~). Also be sure to never edit another user comment and if you feel the comment is unnecessary and violates our Guild rules then feel free to put a line through it by putting and before and after the comment, Thanks In advance. Hanks Gotcha 23:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

News
Our page is currently being discussed here, here, and here. I would like raven to look at these links. Hanks Gotcha 01:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

News
Our page is currently being discussed here, here, and here. I would like raven to look at these links. Hanks Gotcha 17:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

"Credits"
I feel compelled, again, to point out Guild_Wars_Wiki_talk:Formatting/Guilds. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 02:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Officer Tag
This is a great tag that officers can put on their user page. Heres the code.

This is what it looks like.....  Hanks Gotcha  (talk · contributions) 15:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Leaving
Sorry, guys. I just don't want to be in a guild with someone like Hank, and I am suprised anyone does. -- Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 00:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Shrugs...Maybe I should say the same as you. [[Image:hanksgotcha.png|19px]] Big Hank  (talk · contributions) 01:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Teamspeak
Hey I deleted the teamspeak section. See here, ''No guild page shall redirect to or from a page outside the Guild: namespace. No guild article may transclude a page outside the Guild: or Template: namespaces.'' Anita Blochob 05:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)talk
 * Those are simply external links which are allowed. A redirect is when it automatically takes you to a different page (ex: Pre-Searing takes you to Ascalon (pre-Searing)). -Smurf 07:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I respectfully disagree. Unless the rule ...No guild article may transclude a page outside the Guild: or Template: namespaces. is reworded to allow exceptions to external links, ALL transluded pages are disallowed. I'll err on the side of caution and won't delete it for now, but please take a look at this and submit it to the admin for reconsideration. My goal here is to amend this nebulous rule,and make it more specific in regards to excluding external links Anita Blochob


 * Transclusion is when you include another page or a part of it into the page like with templates. That external links section of the wikipedia article is for links to pages talking about the topic transclusion, it doesn't say external links are a form of transclusion. - Smurf 17:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You are correct in this. However, in a different tack, external links are still disallowed, see here, No guild page shall redirect to or from a page outside the Guild: namespace. and external links are a form of redirect. Please discuss this with the admin and amend this rule, because it is really ambiguous.Anita Blochob 18:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Anita Blochob


 * Although links can be a form of redirecting, they are usually not considered redirects. Under the Naming and contents section it states: "Note that these limitations don't affect links pointing out from the Guild: namespace, such as linking to articles in the main namespace or user pages; outbound links are perfectly allowed."   -Smurf 19:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That rule concerning outbound links refers to linking to articles in the main namespace or user pages,like not to external links that go to different sites that are outside of the Guild: namespace, like, or in his guild's case,TeamSpeak (Windows). Again, we need some clarification here.Anita Blochob 19:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Anita Blochob


 * Our definition of a redirect: Help:Redirect. And the guild policy doesn't state that external links are considered redirects. -Smurf 20:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The rule is not ambiguous, it's pulling at strings to suggest that a link would fall under the standard use of the word redirect on this wiki. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok this was pointless, it's getting archived--[[Image:Image-User Hanks Gotcha sig.png‎|19px]] Big Hank  (talk · contributions) 05:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)