User talk:Snograt

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Don't forget to sign your comments with your boring, monochromatic signatures  Snog  rat  05:03, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * In Soviet Wiki, signature colors you! --Dirigible 05:06, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * Yay, my first ever wiki-response!  Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 05:10, 11 February 2007 (PST)

yeah I see, maybe we could just make hex spell redirect to hex -WiNG

Thanks for the help converting the red linky thingy doofer :) Baz 20:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome - but what are you doing way up here in 2007? :D -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 20:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

wikignome
I wonder if anyone has an image of the in-game gnomes I seem to remember from BWE, to make a GuildWarsWikiGnome. Vlad 13:52, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * Lol! Maybe I could ask Emily Diehl :D -on second thoughts, I think she's getting a bit ratty over multiple requests for armor poses ^^ -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:56, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * I've got a couple. Give me a sec and I'll upload something, though I'm really bad at image editing. Pepe talk 14:06, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * Here you go: Pepe talk 14:07, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * Yay, a link to edit my talk page ^^ - keep trying, Pepe :D -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 14:11, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * how about ? That's so cool. Thanks MisterPepe.Vlad 14:15, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * lol - edit conflict, and I was going to say the very same thing! Nice one, Pepe :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 14:17, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * QQ. I fail horribly at linking. Pepe talk 14:26, 1 March 2007 (EST)
 * LOL and logging on apparently. Nvm, I rarely remember to sign anything I post the first time.  Vlad 14:34, 1 March 2007 (EST)

New sig
So whaddya say? -- Snog  rat  09:58, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Ranger template
Is it broken?

if so, is it anything to do with the "noincludes" on the template's page (put there for the category stuff, I presume?) And why am I asking myself? Think I wiki a little too much -- Snog  rat  17:18, 6 March 2007 (EST)


 * You need to use lowercase, like so . See Template_talk:R. -Spot 15:22, 7 March 2007 (EST)


 * Sweet! Spot to the rescue again - thanks :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 16:37, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Skills 0..12..15
Hi Snograt, I noticed that you've been putting (at least some) of the skills with a 0..12..16 format (see Burning Arrow). Aren't we using 0..12..15? -Spot 13:21, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Oh crap - 0..12..15? That's not good - I wouldn't know WHERE to source those figures. I was nabbing the figures from gwBBcode, which I'd assumed were the same as the in-game ranges. I better stop entering them until I am at home and can correlate one with the other. Damn, I entered every single Elite skill that way :( Thanks for the heads-up, Spot (won't stop me altering all the font tags to span style tags though^^) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:37, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Aha - I see what I did there. That was one of the skills already in place that I edited the skill ranges. There was a scaling table already in place, and I stupidly took the shortcut of copying the (wrong) figures from there. Now I'm a little more educated, I won't make that mistake again :) Also, I just checked the discussion at Guild Wars Wiki talk:Formatting/Skills and it would seem that the gwBBcode ranges are in the 0..12..15 range, so I can continue using them. --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 14:13, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Not sure what this gwBBcode is, but I checked the progression of a few skills like Quicksand, and noticed that the green numbers still seem to be using 0..12..16. -Spot 17:24, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Oh dear. That's certainly not good. gwBBcode is a Guild Wars skill display system designed for forums which enables easy build formatting with mouseover description popups. It's widely used - similar to the system they use on guildwarsguru. See the originator's site - . Problem is, if that is definitely the 0..12..16 format, then I'm likely not the only one making this mistake. I'd better leave a note on the skills formatting page. __' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 21:16, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Geez, I seen the latest update and its using the 0..15 so I'm going to start using the ".." over the "..." seen in the game when unlocking skills. I'm one of those who been using the 0...12...16 so it's going to change to 0..12..15 so it'll be less work for you,Snograt. btw Snograt, green is wonderful for the skill numbers just like how it's done ingame.:)--Bane of Worlds 21:54, 7 March 2007 (EST)
 * Wow - thanks for the vote of confidence, Bane. I was beginning to think the green idea was just a one-man crusade :) As to the 0..12..15 thing; I'm thoroughly confused. I'm not going to create any more skill pages until I work out what's going on. I just put a note on the Formatting/Skills page - maybe those-who-know-everything will knock some facts into this old head ^^ --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 22:05, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Renaming images
Hi. You asked how to rename images. It is not possible, so you need to upload the images again with a new name and tag the old ones for deletion. -- (gem / talk) 06:40, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks Gem - there was a queue of people pointing that out to me :) I like this wiki, it's full of people willing to help and give advice. --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 06:49, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Hehe, no problem. Feel free to ask on my talk page if you need any help. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 06:51, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Infobox
Hey, you might copy the infobox code onto your userpage instead of using the template, and you can make it look exactly as you want :) (regarding the wikignome thingy, which I think is very fun ^^ ) - Anja Astor  15:51, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Argh - of course oO - I'm an idiot. Thanks :) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 21:24, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Hopefully that's it. Anyone interested can peek at the code to realise how little I know about this stuff! --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 05:00, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
 * There is some parameters left, but they don't pose a problem as I see it. If you want to, I can clean it up alittle and explain what I do, if you want to learn ;) Not necessary though, it looks nice already ^^ - Anja Astor  06:09, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually Anja, if you wouldn't mind doing that, it would be great. I edited the code with zero understanding, but used a bit of logic as to what did what. I really should read up on this stuff. Problem is, I don't even know what this stuff is :D I mean I don't know what is wiki code, what's css or whatever. And I think css is a subset of HTML, but that's just guesswork. Any pointers would be much appreciated :) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 08:15, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Now I did some cleaning, just minor stuff in the code. I replaced all pipe with |, those are used in templates with ParserFunctions since |'s mess upp parser coding. I also removed all old parameters, those are recognised by "" and only used in templates. I removed the noinclude tag, since I guess your userpage isn't included somewhere so it needs that, correct me if I'm wrong ;) And lastly I just have one thing I didn't remove, and that is the clear tag, since I don't know if you actually want the text to start below the infobox, or if you want it beside the infobox. Just remove that yourself if you want the text to be beside it, like in the NPC articles :) - Anja Astor  10:30, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Hehe - I wondered what the clear did ^^. Thanks for that, Anja :) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 14:42, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

user skin
Would you be opposed to having your User:Snograt/monobook.css updated to the latest User:Smurf/GuildWars.com skin.css? The reason for this is that the hotlinked external images in the old skin version causes a security issue (see Guild Wars Wiki talk:User page). Also, note that image policy has been updated to include "All images used on the Official Guild Wars Wiki should be uploaded here. Do not hotlink to images on other websites (including the Official site." --Rezyk 16:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Sure thing - was using Smurf's original anyway. I think it's done - feel free to check :) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:56, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Looks good, thanks! --Rezyk 12:31, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

ok
OK, I didn't know it was just for the first word, I am still relatively new to editing GW wiki's. Thanks for the head's up.--Valhallan 16:48, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
 * You're welcome :) --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:32, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Image help?
Couple of problems with my sig image. Firstly, as I set it to redirect to my user contributions, I can no longer view the image page (as there's no "redirected from..." link on special pages :/). Secondly, would anyone with some image editing skills care to tidy it up? It's a rip from ACDC's logo, but I'd like a nice black border around it - at the moment, the top of the image is un-bordered. Only image ed software I have is Fireworks - not much success using that :( --' Snog  rat '' 10:38, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * First of all to access the image page use this link. And I will try to make a nice image for you :) Do you want the same colours or others? poke | talk 10:49, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hah, "redirect=no" - I knew it was something obvious! Thanks Poke - and any colours that look good to you - I have no taste :D --' Snog  rat ''[[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:15, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * (edit conflict xD) - Ok, I did one. What do you think about this: [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] I took the logo from acdcrocks.com. poke | talk 13:17, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * That rocks! Thanks Poke - you're a star :D -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 13:29, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * You're welcome :] poke | talk 13:50, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Restrictive internet filter?
Heh, I know the feeling. Sometimes I really need to access something outside of my corporate firewall, so I made one of these:. It's quite useful - enter the link you're trying to get to, and it'll take you there, past the filter - much joy. Enjoy! =) MisterPepe talk 18:47, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Your access was denied due to the content categorisation of this website/file:
 * "News and Media;Proxy Avoidance;Information Technology"


 * Drat :( -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 18:54, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Ouch =P Heh, that's better than most filters. That sucks =( MisterPepe talk 19:03, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks for trying MisterPepe - this damn company and their stupid rules. I can understand a degree of filtering being necessary, but this system is over-the-top. I can't access anything tagged as "Games", so even guildwiki is out. God forbid they ever tag this site. I won't mention my company's name - let's just say they run a subterranean transportation system in the capital city of a major English-speaking European nation ;). We have about 500-odd locations using a variety of PCs running everything from Windows NT (which I'm stuck with), 2000pro and XP. The software is diabolical and the individual user profiles are totally screwed. I just count myself lucky that I can still wiki edit while I'm on nights. -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:23, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Unique quick references.
For consistency between the two of us, I've been linking to HoH on the quick reference list with The Hall of Heroes, it makes the table a little more compact. -- Rohar ( talk|contribs ) 08:58, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Fair do's. Just wish I'd posted my comments before making the changes. I still dislike Hoh, even though it's technically correct, but hey; that's democracy :) (Oh wait - we're a meritocracy; I lose that way too ^^) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 09:17, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Happy birthday!
Happy birthday! From one RCPP member to another:

=) MisterPepe talk 02:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday from me too :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  08:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe - I knew that Pepe at least would spot that! Thanks guys :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 21:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday, kind sir, this toast is for you! --Dirigible 00:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero III
This game is unfair to us older types. Beat the easy level with no problems (except Slayer ><) - but the next level up? Four buttons? Fergettaboutit! I suck :( -- Snog  rat  22:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My advice, just keep doing "hit me with your best shot" over and over till you get it! That's what I had to do. Oh...also, you get a fifth button on the next difficulty :P Kypp Duron 06:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks mate ^^ -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 06:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to brag, but i do Through the fire and the flames on hard. Compared to me thats a bit lame...no offenceHidan Santai 08:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol - welcome to two years ago! Wow, my talk page sure is busy ...not. GH, meh - gave that shit up ages ago although, in its favour, it did inspire my son to buy a real guitar and he's got so good that its inspired me to pick mine up and dust it off too. Wife's buying me a Telecaster for Christmas too :D -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 17:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

FREE HALF LIFE 2!
Anyone who wants HL2 just leave a message, and I'll send it to you. Gots me teh Orange Box, and already have it :) So, either send ME an email, or leave your Steam name. Think I know how that works :D -- Snog  rat  23:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixing the top of your userpage?
Hey, do you want me to fix that jumble at the top of your userpage? Its all bunched up. I've got it fixed right now, I just need to click "save page". And if you don't like it, you can always revert :) Let me know! Mattman243   16:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooh, yes please - not sure WHAT I did there! Thanks :)-- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 17:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There ya go! Sometimes userboxes make everything crowded together like that. All I did was put the userboxes into a grid form and added a  . Looks much cleaner now! :D  Mattman243  [[Image:User Mattman243 Shadow Axe.png|19px]] 18:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much - that was very neighborly of you :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 20:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

about my sig
Hi Snograt, you said that if i need extra help with my sig to come to you so.... anyway i tried doing this code:  The Forsaken  One</span but it just said " Invalid raw signature, check HTML code " (or sumthing like that) so idk what 2 do, all i want is my name do be dark blue and bolded... if u can help id much apreciate it. errrm on the preview my name was messed up so: The Forsaken One21:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a space missing between span and style, and the bold tags were in the wrong place (the three apostrophes), so  The Forsaken One  gives  The Forsaken  One  - is that what you wanted? -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 21:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is thanks a lot, btw took me a couple trys cuz i kept messing up this wiki code stuff is gonna be hard to get used to!-- The Forsaken One  22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Rohars Roughnecks
I had a link to my tracker on my user page, and inadvertently left it from my guild page. Thanks for the heads up!! Incidentally, I created a template for those of us that use my website to identify themselves. Happy Tracking! -- Rohar ( talk|contribs ) 17:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers, Rohar :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 02:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I implemented your suggestion regarding direct linking to the mission edit pages from the titles page. Still a little scrolly when you get navigated back, but it will eliminate several page loads at least.  Thanks for the suggestions! --[[Image:User Rohar icon.jpg]] Rohar ( talk|contribs ) 17:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, gotta love the internets and insta-response forum/wiki crossover events ^^ -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 22:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell?
Sheesh, can't a guy have a little wiki-break without having to come back and find the place has been taken over by the illiterati? Sysops, now is the time to stop the cicular discussions and policy puffery and DO something. This is the Official Wiki and, even though we're autonomous, I can imagine ANet being not particularly impressed with what they see going on in here.

Oops - I seem to have misplaced my minor edit button :( -- șɳȱɠ  ɍɑʈ  14:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday to you!
Bit early :). Still Happy Birthday to you! --  Silverleaf   21:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, bit late, but thank you :) -- șɳȱɠ  ɍɑʈ [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 23:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol
Love your char naming scheme snoggy :P  Black ' Blood  ''' 20:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks - once I get an idea, I go with it. I'm nuts, tbh :D -- șɳȱɠ  ɍɑʈ [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hang on - Calista Blackblood? I knew that was familiar! -- șɳȱɠ  ɍɑʈ [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I hide in many strange places  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 20:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You must use wiki more :P  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 19:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, only 1,958 edits :/ It's one of many sites that I can no longer access at work, which is where I did the bulk of my skill editing. Same applies to Guru - how'm I supposed to moderate when I can't even see the damn thing? I'm in a ranty modd, if you hadn't noticed. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is it blocked? :( poke | talk 21:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sucks :(  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 21:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything useful is blocked. They assume that if we have free access, we'll all be downloading porn. Most of the stuff I read is via Google's cache - tedious :( -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 04:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Update - I've just discovered the delights of dontcensorme.org's "suffix proxy". Just add .6a.nl after the TLD and off you go. Awesome. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 06:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, it's slow but really awesome! poke | talk 15:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I knew you had my page watchlisted, Poke - god only knows why! :D -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 09:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard
No need to apologize, you didn't offend me. 145.94.74.23 21:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, but I'm English, you see - I had to apologise: That's what we do best :D -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Except in the Underground. I've never met so many angry people as in London Underground. ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 20:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, I work for London Underground... -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 11:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * :O And you didn't tell me! I just spent a week there. :P (Well, not a full week in the Underground, but you get my point..) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 14:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A week in the Tube would make anyone cranky. Backsword 14:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A week? I've done 25 years :( -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 17:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Omg!! But you should know all the less crazy places then. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 19:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For sure :D I agree with you about the Tube being full of angry people though - you rarely see a smile, and when you do, you know it's a tourist. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 22:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, that was my impression too :P Don't get me wrong, I really liked the Tube. The Oyster card was our best buy of the week and we spent hours just traveling back and forth, finding new places. :D - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 06:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this lol you know me and GW Wiki :) I decided to go for Tyrian Skill Hunter for 15th Title and printed off the page with all Proph Warrior Skills on, I thought I had them all as I crossed them off then I killed a boss who does not appear on that skills page ,Smuk Foombool and capped Battle Rage ,the page is http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_Prophecies_warrior_skills , as you can see Battle Rage does not appear . --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Darthbaz (talk).
 * That's because Battle Rage is a core skill (meaning, it's from all campaigns). Maybe this article can help you more, since it shows all elites by zone/campaign/proffesion instead.--Fighterdoken 23:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What he said. Lol, Ghengis - your notes always appear at random places! When starting a new section, make a title (for example Skill capping help) and stick it between a set of double equals signs - == Skill capping help == That starts a nice, new section and doesn't confuse the shit out of me when I see "You have new messages!" - and I can't find the bastard. :D. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 10:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Userbox
Snoggy may I steal the guru box? Pretty pwwwweeeeesssseeee :)  Black ' Blood  ''' 19:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free - Wyn made it for me :) -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 20:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * *evil laugh*  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 20:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! (2)
Enjoy ^^ | Cyan Light  Live! | 09:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday :D poke | talk 14:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks you, wikipeoples :) -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 19:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

U2 ~ errm... sorry I missed your birthday! -- Wyn 11:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You tend to not mind people missing your birthday when you get to our age ^_^ -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 07:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be correct
As the title suggests, your assumption would be correct, you crusty old man! :P  lol. LordSojar 20:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Touché - and not so much of the crusty. As for the rest, guilty as charged. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 10:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Happy 1-day-delayed Birthday!
Congratulations =) -- Cyan  12:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cy :) Sigh - shows how much use this page gets - only two lines after last year's birthday :/ -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 17:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh noes! Happy belated Birthday! <3 poke | talk 18:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be late over there, but not here. Happy birthday! ^^ - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  18:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fashionable lateness FTW! Happy Birthday Snoggy!  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 13:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 4 months late? That's a new record, Chris :D -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 21:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't be prompt all the time lol. Busy busy  Black ' Blood  [[Image:User BlackBlood Blooddrop.jpg]]''' 15:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)