Talk:Guide to maxing titles

Good job, Alaris. When I posted the easiest titles "guide" in the discussion of the main article, I didn't think this will become such a drastic change ^^ so thank you. --Lefy Piyero 11:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and thanks to Calor for adding user-friendliness. And thanks to you for providing the cost estimates. That's the beauty of collaborative work on wiki's! Alaris 14:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to break down the "Depends" into the various methods, and some way to compare their efficiencies. If anyone can add that, I'd be happy to work on formatting after. Alaris 15:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if this could be sorted by categories so if u want to max quickly click on the duration tab and then have them arranged by duration.--Cursed Condemner 20:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Party
Do we even know that it maxes at 10k points? Can the estimated cost be confirmed? -- Alaris 17:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It now shows the costs using zcoins, which I think is bad. The cost should also be shown estimated for buying using gold alone, via trade. Although approximative, most people will buy it this way rather than via zcoins. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 16:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Survivor and Defender
It says that these titles are mutual exclusive, which is false. It is possible to have two accounts, and death level one character to 20, and then use that character to death level another to 20. The second which could obtain both Legendary Survivor and Defender of Ascalon. Very hard, extremely time consuming, possible. Anet should make a title for having done this and call it Legendary Paradox. (Narziss 23:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC))
 * There have been countless claims that both are possible, but given how Pre-Searing works, nobody has come up with a way to actually do it legally. The closest I've heard of something that could work is by physically causing disconnects, which IMO borders on hacking. In your example, how would you rez the second person without a hard rez? -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 13:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Adjusting costs for inflation?
I have been hunting for quite a while to find someone selling party animal points and sweet tooth points at 100g per point. I see a lot of people trying to buy at that rate, but have yet to find anyone selling at that rate. More common is between 175 to 200 for party animal and 150-200 for sweet tooth. Should the cost for those titles be amended? Mohnzh  say   what?  20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think that your estimates are accurate of the price that people buy & sell at, then go ahead. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 21:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet Tooth and Drunkard have their points buyable from merchants at a fixed level of 200g per point, so any costs for those two should be no higher than that for an estimated cost, and players should be selling points below merchant cost. Party points are less available to players for purchase and could have a larger price range per point. But I have no objections to an edit to reflect market costs more accurately. 75.146.48.190 21:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Vanquisher and Skill Hunter synergies
Well they don't... when you kill bosses in HM you cant cap their elite to they are not connected at all... Aartist21 05:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why can't you cap elites while vanquishing hard mode?? I do it pretty regular ;) Although i would advise you to put a skill on the bar that is not a capture signet... T1Cybernetic 09:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that you can cap in HM. And if the issue is the 2nd profession, then only cap from those bosses that are either of your 2 professions. It's still a synergy because otherwise, you'd have to kill those bosses once for vanquish, and once for skill hunter. Of course, don't expect to be finished with SH then you have finished Vanq, but you'll have less to do. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Your thinking of low level bosses who dont get an elite skill in HM to prevent players getting the skill more easily. --King Of Kamelott  01:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Dunkard
On the guide to maxing titles article it says that you can minimise time spent on the drunkard title by mapping out. I thought this had been nerfed? Can someone confirm this or delete the information if it is innacurate? --90.216.62.149 18:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Vanquishing Question
On the section for vanquishing it mentions "Caravan Vanquishing" I looked this up on the wiki but found nothing. Can anybody kindly tell me what it is? Maskeus:The more you win, the more you cheat. 10:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It means that you vanquish several areas without stopping in town in-between. You can also run from one town to a far area in some cases. One main advantage of doing this is that this can be used to increase your party size for some areas, making them easier than intended. For example, you can travel from a town that allows for 8 ppl to team up, and travel backwards to areas that are balanced for 6 or even 4 ppl / team. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent Edit
...you make me cry.  Blood Red Giant   Mani Mortus  07:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed Zaishen from Fastest Way to R6
Zaishen title was listed as one of the possibilities for final 3 titles to max, which seems extremely unreasonable when it is being put besides titles such as Party Animal, Sweet Tooth and Drunkard. The money and time taken to max out Zaishen would be unfathomably higher than any of the previous three. Even if someone finds Drunkard too hard or annoying to do, there's still Wisdom, or Kurzick/Luxon both of which can be easily attained (relatively to Zaishen's insanity) with the Vanquish speed-clear parties (Drazach Thicket and Mount Quinkai respectively).--Sensei 13:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Kurz/Lux is pretty long to max by itself... but it's fun with its variety. Agreed that Zaishen shouldn't be in that list, unless we state which titles are easier/cheaper. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. IMHO the 30 fastest titles are Survivor/LDoA(1), Guardian(7), Skill(4), Map(4), Vanquish(4), SS&LB(2), North(1), Eotn Reputation(4), Consumables(3). That's exactly 30. Those who missed Survivor/LDoA (or don't want to do Drunkard) will need to choose another one, reason why I mentioned the Kurzick/Luxon titles. While they are not exactly among the easiest, they are options within 'sanity bounds' compared to nearly everything else. Wisdom, Treasure, Lucky and Unlucky are next in list but they are feel like a step further in difficulty/length (not sure though) - they have the benefit of being account based though, so less work to do if one plans on more than one GWAMM. ;) lol --Sensei 14:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It truly depends on the money you have for getting titles. Kurzick/luxon titles are much slower to get than Zaishen asumming you have enough money to buy the zkeys. Same aplies to wisdom or treasure hunter, specialy the last one as it takes both money and time to max it. Drunkard's just the same, it takes quite an important amount of money and also many hours of alcohol ingestion. So it's quite hard to say which titles make the best way for getting GWAMM, as it is totaly dependant on each players money, gamestyle (pve/pvp) and many other facts. Lhoj 14:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I do not think this is a valid argument. Even if we assume Zkeys can be purchased as low as 4,000 Gold each, the title still costs 800 Million Gold - with this amount you could max out around 7 titles combined and have more to spare (Drunk, Sweet, Party, Lucky, Unlucky, Wisdom, Treasure). It is simply way too much even for hardcore players who are around since the game is out, besides, of course everyone spent with something else instead of saving up all they got. Those who can afford to max the Zaishen title are truly an exception as good farmers, traders, or whatever (*cough* e-bay). Even Drunkard which is pretty difficult to attain time-wise, is still easier than Zaishen if we assume a player is starting out with nothing (which most players reading a guide, are). I still dont believe the Zaishen title is worth a mention as a fast title to attain, because even if you are holding your 20,000 Keys at hand, it can be assumed a lot of time (again ignoring e-bay, as it is not legal I assume) was needed to earn them. There's no way that earning 800 Million in-game Gold be considered 'fast' - it's more than a lifetime amount for the vast majority of players. --Sensei 14:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Treasure hunter
220 hours? uh... pers onn5  02:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There are runs to farm the title with, and I'm assuming that's the least amount of time it would take farming the fastest run. Taros 02:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ah, was about to say. pers  onn5 [[Image:User_Personn5_sig.jpg|19px]] 02:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I figured out where was fastest to farm, then calculated with average runs how much time it would take to max it. That's how I got 220 hours. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 14:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Where did you base the time on? Just fishing for information... T1Cybernetic [[File:User T1Cybernetic Glob of Ectoplasm.png]] 23:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in response, I don't check the wiki often. I collected the data myself, by timing how many chests I could get per hour at the different locations. I averaged over several 100's of chests for each location to get a good approximation. The runs were only including runs once I had a good build for it, so discarding the trial runs. The 220h is the fastest from scratch, outside Boreal, using paragons to achieve constant 33% increased run speed, and not stopping for anything but chests. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 22:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

and the party points?
Get your tickets, stand in the circles, drink and use your tonics?

just a suggestion. 91.95.1.20 10:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing about drunkard is that it takes time to level it up. On the other hand, you can just sell your tonics during canthan new year and buy fireworks instead, which gets you points as fast as you can click. 99.151.201.166 01:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Treasure hunter (2)
Why is there a specific time for treasure hunter? 99.151.201.166 01:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably based on what is noted at Treasure Hunter. --Silver Edge 03:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's based on statistics I collected in various places. Based on my data, I determined that running chests outside Boreal Station is the fastest method, and using that method it would take 220 hours of chest running. Any other method will take longer. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 17:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)