Talk:Charmable animal

Merge
Merge this with "Pet" and "Animal Companion"? This information was like a jigsaw puzzle to find. 122.104.228.149 15:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * They're not quite the same. Charmable animal is a "family", a kind of creature. These creatures have that trait whether charmed or not. Backsword 15:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Non-charmable animals
What should be done about creatures like Stonewolf and Carrion Feeder? They are animals, but this article only refers to charmable animals. - HeWhoIsPale 13:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Confirmed as Great Beasts. But yeah, naming is an issue. Better move to clarify. Backsword 14:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Professions
So what would everyone say we should mark Charmible animals as for Profession? I'd say Ranger as for one, only Rangers can charm animals, and two, Striders say R in their name, which makes them a Ranger, which increases the chances that the other charmable pets within the game are also Rangers. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  23:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would go for "unknown" for those cases that we don't know, for the same reason as why non-clased npcs can't be just marked as "warrior".--Fighterdoken 23:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with Fighterdoken. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 23:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if it's unknown, why can't we try and figure out what they are, which is what I am trying to do here? Also, every monster has a profession, keep that in mind. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  23:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Then their profession is "monster" or "pet" or whatever. If we don't know their profession, we don't record it -- saying they are rangers because rangers can charm pets sounds flawed to me. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px|Pling! \]] Brains12 \ Talk 23:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't have a profession listed in it's name when you select it in-game you can't just select Ranger just because that is the profession that can acquire a pet. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 23:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * People haven't complained that there's no profession for pets, so I see no need to go on a hunt to find the profession for each pet, if one even exists. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 23:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I said it some time before: "No profession" is an existing value in the game for professions. poke | talk 23:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not right poke, creatures are not the same technical entity as skills, and not stored the same way. Backsword
 * If we don't know, we simply leave it blank. Cleaner, and what better way to covey that we do not know? Backsword 04:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no such thing as no profession. This has been confirmed by one of the employees of ArenaNet. I even got an email saying that all monsters have a profession. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  04:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * maybe we can test by armor level. rangers are supposed to have higher armor against elemental dmg right? -- VVong | BA 05:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's true Eloc then why do so many not have a profession listed in their name when you click on them. Leaving it as unknown or even blank is better than just assuming and inserting possibly incorrect information. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't we just give pets a "pet" profession? Create a separate category for them. -- Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 13:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can't make up a profession if it already has one internally programmed inside of it. Pets have one of the 8 professions programmed into them for their base stats, so we should figure out which profession it is. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  23:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Going in-game and clicking on it is the only way I know of to check and as we already know for pets it only lists the name and no profession unlike monsters so leaving it unknown or blank are the only ways other than making it Pet as Brains and Mini Me have suggested. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 01:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  16:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it could be safe to call pets rangers, because though the player intitiates the skill the pet performs it and all skillz performed by pets are ranger skillz. Plus since the skillz performed by pets can be done with a Beast Master Rank above 12 it can be assumed that pets are primary rangers. 72.58.185.64 08:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Clever, but that would be like calling somebody a paragon because they were under the effects of Anthem of Flame. |  Nalana [[Image:User Nalana Darkling santa.jpg|19px]] Darkling  |  21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Go Hard Mode and kill every single pet until one of them drops a profession tome? :P Unless there's (coherent) way to assign certain profession to them (primary attribute, extra armor vs some type of damage, pips of energy regeneration, more hp/energy due to armor pieces, higher attributes due to runes, etc), better leave them "unknown". --NIN37 00:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * http://tinypic.com/r/10rsch0/5 is a screenshot I took in game yesterday, which I finaly found that pets are Warriors, ony becasue things will only drop a tome relative to their profession. 21:38 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a SICKENED lynx, not a charmable one. Completely different creature. 76.71.83.39 20:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Pictures of Pets
I think we should get picture for all of the pets that compare height of charcters to pets because I like bigger pets like other people and think we should add picture that display the pet and your charcter. If you got a pet that is lvl 20 plz post a picture of itTycars125 20:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I'll list them for you here as I get them up there. Eryops3 12:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ascalon (Post Searing)
I may be wrong, but isn't there one Melandru's Stalker? --M age M ontu 22:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I believe you are correct. Seems I seen one or two in area towards the old gate passage to the northlands. MystiLefemEle 08:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting! I did not know about this. Thanks for the info both of you. This'll make my goal of capturing all the animals more realistic. [[Image:Necromancer-icon-small.png]]Twelve Souls[[Image:Monk-icon-small.png]]

Categorization of non-charmable animals
How should unimplemented charmable animals such as the Fern Lizard, Panda and Pygmy Hippopotamus and animals which can only be charmed by NPCs such as Carlotta, Hector the Charr Demolishers' Devourer pets be categorized? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * just make a list of them and add it to the bottom.75.165.119.187 21:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not asking about the charmable animal article, I'm asking about the charmable animals category. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They should be categorised by their type, as every other creature. Backsword 01:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should use "animal" rather than "charmable animal" for the infobox's type parameter (Charm Animal's skill description seems to indicate that "animal" is the proper name for the family / species) and manually categorie the ones which can actually be charmed into a charmable animals subcategory. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * agreed, i didnt understand what you were talking about. but i think your solution is the right one.75.165.119.187 03:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * BUMP!
 * Charm Animal only works on charmable animals (well, makes sense).
 * Charming an animal makes it your animal companion.
 * Once charmed, as long as Charm Animal is equipped your animal companion will follow you whenever you go to an explorable area.
 * That said, shouldn't we categorize those non-charmable animals (that still follows other NPCs) as "animal companion" (instead of "animal", which redirects to "charmable animal" if you click on "type" field from "NPC infobox")?
 * This would be the case of Sergeant Behnwa's Elder Hyena, Beast Sworn Heket's Elder Crocodile, Sujun's Ling Wong, Ashlyn Spiderfriend's Black Widow, and a few others.
 * These creatures spawn in the area, share treats from animal comapanion but can't be charmed (BTW, Hekets seems to use the same 0s Charm Animal skill used by Ashlyn).
 * Creatures that "do not follow another NPC" should get be categorized as beasts (or use another more appropriated description, if available), since they can't be charmed at all.
 * Moa Birds (allies) and Elder Crocodiles (foes) from Verdant Cascades, Rats (neutral/ally NPC) from Guild Wars Eye of the North Sneak Peek Weekend (historical content) and pre-Searing Moss Spiders (neutral/foe) are a few examples I can remember of.
 * They do not follow a "beast master", do not use pet attacks and can't be target by Charm Animal.
 * Honestly, not so sure about Old Mac's Joe, Charr Demolisher's Devourer and Danika's Brutus & Sheena (during The Norn Fighting Tournament).
 * They don't behave like "pets" (killing them will not disable skills).
 * Personally, I don't think Moa Birds should be listed as Eye of the North pets (difference between revisions: Moa Bird and Verdant Cascades).
 * But since I'm comparing recent changes to my last edit, and I don't want to start a revert war, I'm not going to touch those pages for a while.
 * Maybe something like Edge of Extinction could be used to determine whether those creatures share some similarities with others or not, but I'm out of idea on how to make neutral/ally NPC get down to 90% health... :P --NIN37 00:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't think Moa Birds should be listed as Eye of the North pets (difference between revisions: Moa Bird and Verdant Cascades).
 * But since I'm comparing recent changes to my last edit, and I don't want to start a revert war, I'm not going to touch those pages for a while.
 * Maybe something like Edge of Extinction could be used to determine whether those creatures share some similarities with others or not, but I'm out of idea on how to make neutral/ally NPC get down to 90% health... :P --NIN37 00:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like Edge of Extinction could be used to determine whether those creatures share some similarities with others or not, but I'm out of idea on how to make neutral/ally NPC get down to 90% health... :P --NIN37 00:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

da cubs
should someone put pictures of the babies form the menagerie--Lord randy taylor 03:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Twice. I mean, they're cute an 'll, but... Backsword 03:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The babies were added, but aren't charmable. They sure are cute, though. I wonder what a black moa chick would look like in the menagerie...a mini black moa or a true chick? Eryops3 15:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got a black moa in mine, If i remember right its Mini black moa chicks in there, like the minipet. 24.233.254.51 01:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, to me, they appear slightly smaller in scale to the mini black moa chickMystiLefemEle 08:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Moss Spider
Some kind soul should add this to the list now, as they are technically charmable since yesterday's update. I would but I'm so tired I'd make a mess and I'm busy. Many thanks to whoever does it. – josəph 16:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Black Moa
I say Black Moa should be core, seeing as you need all 4 gw's to get it. StimpsonJKat 19:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No, you don't. You need them all to get the Black Moa Chick miniature, not the Black Moa pet --Kitor 20:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

According to one of the guys at the new zaishen place...
pets don't keep the same damage type as they evolve. The guy that tells you information about each individual pet, will say something like "Well,(pet type) usually does piercing damage, but with training(I remember for at least 1 pet he said aggresive training) It can be taught to deal slashing damage" 24.233.254.51 02:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've brought it up at Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for research. According to Silavor, the pets fit into the following categories:
 * Always piercing: black widow, dune lizard
 * Always slashing: black bear, hyena, jahai rat, jingle Bear, lion, lioness, lurker, lynx, melandru's stalker, polar bear, reef lurker, white tiger, white wolf, wolf
 * Blunt while unevolved, slashing while evolved: warthog
 * Piercing by default, slashing if aggressive (and dire?): raven, white moa
 * Piercing by default, can be trained to do slashing under unspecified circumstances: albino rat, crocodile, iguana, white crab
 * Slashing when unevolved, piercing when evolved: flamingo, phoenix
 * Slashing default, can be trained to do piercing under unspecified circumstances: crane, moa bird
 * Slashing default, trainable for other unspecified damage types: mountain eagle
 * Varies with evolution, details unclear: Rainbow Phoenix
 * Unspecified: black moa, moss spider
 * -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Costs of pets.
can we go though and add under acqusition what it costs to get each pet in both bath and zcoin and gold? on the pets pages we could have a table as well...76.121.95.90 19:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Wintersday Only
Isn't true. >_> If someone completed the original Wintersday quests related to the Jingle Bear, they can charm it any time they wish from Gwen's Garden. 71.179.21.220 08:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Arn't Winter's Day Moas charmable?KJZ 05:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I got my answer. They are not charmable. KJZ 02:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Accually, I have a Jingle Moa and a Jingle Bear in my menagerie, so AREN'T they charmable?Carleen96 18:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming he was referring to Festive Moa. Also, White Jingle Moas weren't in the game when he originally posted that comment. --Silver Edge 09:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Gallery of pets
There are several galleries already: armor, sword, axe, spear, etc. Basicly they are used when ppl want to have a quick look of what they look like. Maybe its an idea to make a gallery of pets too? That way you can easily see how every pet looks like. It's for example easier to see how the White Moa and Black Moa look similar (or different) next to each other. What are your thoughts about it? --DarqueXiroz 20:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A gallery would be nice.--SkyHiRider 12:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. However, you can make your own "gallery" in, what I believe, is a new edition. Eryops3 20:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Aimless Walking
My level 3 bear walks around aimlessly and doesn't obey my commands. I heard that this is because of the level. My questions? Would a strider do this? Is this true? Eryops3 20:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's you having put it on HEEL mode. Backsword 01:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Pets not included in the Pet Pack
Can we add a list of pets not included in the pet pack? The information is here; http://www.guildwars.com/products/extras/pet_unlock_pack/default.php. The list is below; It does not include Prestige pets such as: KJZ 06:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Black Moa
 * Black Widow
 * Jingle Bear
 * Moss Spider
 * Phoenix
 * Rainbow Phoenix
 * White Moa
 * White Jingle Moa --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:MystiLefemEle (talk).

Loot from charmable animals
I have noticed today that killed charmable animals drop usually festival items (Trick or treat bags). Should that be added into the article?

Here you have a screen capture when i was farming tengu scalps http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2200/gw277.jpg


 * It should also be noted that they also drop map pieces in EotN. I don't recall if I got one from killing them, but when polar bears die from Frigid Mandragor attacks, I see them drop map pieces fairly commonly.  PowerGamer 22:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Menagarie Map
This image now needs updating to show the location of the White Jingle Moa alongside the Jingle Bear in the north-east mountain area. Dakota 15:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * feel free to make a new one.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

tome-dropping
NOTE: THE FOLLOWING (IMPLAUSIBLY) ASSUMES I'M NOT A NOOB HERE: If we want to keep "that they drop tomes" on the article, you should provide screenshots, you who added it; until you do, "may" is the correct word here. ;) | 72  (UTC) 12:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If they do drop tomes, it would have to be pet tomes. And even then, all they could learn is Brutal Mauling (which you can't unlock on your account).  PowerGamer 17:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

NavBar at bottom of page...
Where it shows the various pets by campaign, do you think it would be wise to have an "exotic" pet section, or perhaps a "festive" pet section? Taka Ragranok 16:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Drakes
the article states that there is one example of a tamed drake in the game, but the peacekeepers seem to have them in their parties, they aren't labeled as pets though, thoughts? The Alice 14:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * when called as a target it states "I'm attacking Pet - Drake!" Time to change the article I think.
 * They are pets because they take half-damage in PvE. Lawl ANet. PowerGamer 17:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You know wut would be sweet...
is a photo gallery page for all charmable animals. Just a thought. Red Qyeen 22:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)