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Heroes + Scrimmages
While I am immensely pleased that heroes have been reimplemented back into our guild halls, we still cannot use them in scrimmages. While a fight with henchies is all well and good, I (and a number of my guildies) also enjoyed pitting our heroes against each other. It would be awesome if this could be re-introduced. Shadow Runner  23:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Manifold 23:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us have heros in our guild halls again! (It'd be nice on the scrimmage too) 71.146.81.17 01:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand the reason in which heroes were removed from PvP but since scrimmages are only done within a guild, I wouldn't mind this either, if possible. 02:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a global quick and dirty fix, by allowing heroes in party in GH again, and adding anti-hero filter for any pvp mission instead of GvG only. I got a proof, zaishen arenas got affected aswell ^^ It would have been funny if HB was still online... Elephant 04:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Guild Hall
Firstly, thank you very much for letting heroes back into the GH. That was the right move. The GH is so much more than a staging ground for GvG, as has been repeated thousands of times since last Thursday. What I want to address is, as the 'status' of the GH is in focus at the moment, the concept of PvE and PvP Guild Halls. I have heard people suggest that all hero skill selection should be in PvE, or that there should be a 'switch' that leaders and/or officers could switch the GH from PvP to PvE and vice versa. What I would like to put forward, however, is akin to the PvE Normal Mode and Hard Mode switch in the Party Window. This then would change the skill window for skill selection, and also this default setting of this switch could be set in the Options menu, for convenience to both player groups. This setting could effect the current party and would be changable by the party leader, while all other parties would have their own switch. I think this is a simple solution to a touchy problem that, while not created by last Thursday's update, was brought forward to center-stage from the slight background irritation that it was. I'd just like my voice heard. Thanks for reading the whole book ;)  Radthor Dax 18:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Heroes at Zaishen Challenge and Zaishen Elite
Was it a mistake, that you also restricted heroes from entering Zaishen Challenge and Zaishen Elite matches? They are choosable, but can't enter the match. If it was, please fix it.
 * I'm wondering the same thing. I haven't done Zaishen Elite in a while but I was surprised that you can't use heroes as of right now. If this has been addressed somewhere else, or if there is a discussion of this somewhere else perhaps someone could direct me to it. S ardaukar [[File:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 22:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I guess this is the place to put my concerns/wants. Zaishen Challenge and Zaishen Elite are unique PvP areas because they’re not actually PvP in my opinion. It’s really more like PvE. If you go into any explorable area, you’re going to meet up with the same foes that use the same skills every time you enter that area. That’s exactly what it’s like in the Zaishen arenas. You know who you are going to fight and what skills they have. It’s not like HA or GvG at all in that regard besides the fact that you’re not fighting other people.


 * Now if I was going to enter an explorable area that had the same foes as the Zaishen arenas, and I was limited to three heroes/henchmen to take with me, I would always take heroes. A much better team can be built with heroes than just taking henchmen. Right now you can only use henchmen. The henchmen that are provided break down when you start facing larger teams (e.g. eight obby spikers). The other option, someone might point out, is to team up with other players but that shouldn’t be an excuse to not have heroes available, nor should that option be forced upon you because the henchmen are soft.

--Silver Edge 00:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reading this and please return heroes to the Zaishen arenas. Many of us would greatly appreciate it. S ardaukar [[File:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 01:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Signed. I also would like to see heroes back in ZE and ZC. Sjeng  [[Image:User_Sjeng_Sig_Icon.png|13px|talk ]] 09:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * From Feedback:Bug reports/Miscellaneous bugs, Andrew Patrick states: "Removing them was an unintended side-effect of removing them from other PvP formats."