Talk:Read the Wind (PvP)

Nerf
This was perfectly balanced, this didn't need a nerf. It's not good for anything now since I'll just use a recurve bow and kindle arrows.


 * Laaame --J0ttem™ 02:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Their aim is just as good when they nerfed Expert's Dexterity for PvP.--ShadowFog 04:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Perfectly balanced? It was one of the best preparations in the game (if not the best), cost 5 energy, didn't have a gimped duration or lame -40 armor effect, and was non-elite. Although since they killed Flail I don't see why they also changed this. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because rangers would find yet another IAS to abuse, making yet another generation of turrets.Pika Fan 04:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Frenzy would be lol, Flurry would hurt, everything else has too short a duration/too long a recharge/some other crappy side-effect to it... Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This nerf was unnecessary. The problem was that the +10 damage bonuses were excessive when combined with a free perma-IAS with no attribute investment and no effective downside. Flail got the nerf bat, there will be no more problems with turret rangers, BRING THIS BACK FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. At least change it to "your arrows do +3...9...10 damage while you are not in a stance" (Attribute: Anet fails at programming).

Non-comprehensive List of IAS skills:
 * Flurry-Decreases your base damage. Bows rely heavily on base damage so I don't think you want to use Flurry except with the PS/CG interrupt spam build.
 * Frenzy-Your. Character. Needs. A. Resurrect. NOW. Lol.
 * Tiger's Fury-Requires too much energy and attribute investment to be problematic.
 * Tiger Stance-Ends if you miss, and only has 20% uptime without strength.
 * Flail-Just got nerfed.
 * Aggressive Refrain-Too expensive for rangers.
 * Primal Rage-Lasts 1 second, same downside as Frenzy. Movement buff is next to useless for bow rangers.
 * Soldier's Stance-Requires shout/chant, is elite, too much attribute investment
 * Heket's Rampage-Can't use attack skills. Can't interrupt. Convenient, eh?
 * Expert's Dexterity-Is elite and got the nerf bat.
 * Rampage as One-ROFLMAO at anyone who uses this with a bow. Everyone knows that RaO is for hammers.

I don't see how RtW is a problem.
 * I think what everyone is missing here is that PvP nerfs and buffs come and go. Sometimes, they come with no better reason than to change things around just to mess with you. Think of it as a test of your actual player skill. If they destroy your entire strategy, but you can come up with a new one and still win, then you're ok. If you suck so bad that you can't change things up to keep up, then you really shouldn't be playing PvP anyway...72.161.115.13 16:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --99.244.204.77 03:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Concise description
"For 24 seconds, you wield a recurve bow. You get kicked out for not bringing a better preparation." (Attribute: You're a moron)
 * ANET SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK--89.129.149.220 08:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

This is so awesome
i use my prep so my arrows fly faster lolololol  SniperFox  12:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummkay....as if non-turret rangers ever use RTW anyway.Pika Fan 12:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Just awesome SniperFox. I might quote you on that later on.--ShadowFog 12:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I use RtW because I don't have to spec wilderness survival, I get to use a flatbow without missing 24/7, and I get a small damage bonus.
 * You don't get a damage bonus. You described Favorable Winds, not Read the Wind.72.161.115.13 16:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Or he was talking about it before the nerfbat. --JonTheMon 16:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Turrets are still imba
Just take another secondary. RTW can still spike easily, 30 less damage on an already huge spike isn't a big deal. If they start taking frenzy, we'll see rangers with rush around tbh. 82.34.128.19 14:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You have no idea what you are talking about.
 * I dont think the Ranger can spam Frenzy. They have 3 PiPs and with no +damage in RtW, I dont think you have something to worry about.--ShadowFog 15:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Expertise laughs at energy management. Warriors have 2 pips and they can use Frenzy just fine despite also suffering from exhaustion. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 15:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rangers need their energy for their bow attacks. Warrior's don't.
 * Rangers don't spam their attack skills on recharge, except maybe dshot and savage.Pika Fan 21:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rangers have more than enough energy for their attack skills, not to mention 10-15 energy preparation and 5-10 energy stance too. That doesn't even count if you took Prepared Shot or Body Shot or something. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 02:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

PvP version not available in Pre-searing.
Now that there's a PvP version of RtW, the PvP version should be removed from the pre-searing skills category. There is no PvP in pre-searing, so it doesn't apply. 81.108.21.92 14:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * incorrect! do not remove this from the list. keep in mind there is the PvP match when you leave pre, HENCE, there is a PvP version for pre. --Uchiha Lena 06:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

So Much QQ For Not Too Much Lost
So where's the problem......go back to a recurve bow and take Expert Focus as your prep. Now you got back the + dmg. The only thing you lose is the slightly shorter refire rate of the flatbow. Or use Favorable Winds. Rangers still have a lot to work with.
 * That isn't so nice. Player must buy the expansion when this is in core, FW can betray your team, it's 5 seconds without battle and your arrows doesnt fly straight like Read The Wind does.... But hell, if you bought the expansion, it's better something then nothing.--ShadowFog 15:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, for people with just prophecies, go with Apply Poison+Incendiary Arrows or Crippling Shot depending on what you need at the moment. If you only have factions, grab an elite preparation like Glass Arrows, or go with Melandru's Shot and Apply Poison. For nightfall, the obvious choice is Burning Arrow or Magebane Shot depending again on your purpose.

UNDO THIS NOW
SERIOUSLY, BEFORE I TURN OFF THE INTERNETS HOW ABOUT NERFING FRENZY TO 25%, PATIENT SPIRIT TO 80 HEAL, FAINTHEARTEDNESS TO 8 SECOND DURATION, DIVERSION TO 15 ADDITIONAL RECHARGE AND ATTUNEMENTS TO 10% BASE ENERGY??? THIS SKILL _DEFINES_ RANGERS THAT DONT PLAY BURNING LOLRROW, I HATE BA RANGERS, SO THANKS FOR KILLING OFF ANY OTHER BUILD. Seriously, if you don't revert this, you are losing a customer RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. Your loss of profit for trying to overnerf stuff. The problem was fucking Flail and that got nerfed. well technicly you bought the game so you already payed for it so it doesnt really matter if you play or not cuz they got there profit frome you :D Silent kill 20:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lrn2applymoarpoison? --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 13:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * his tall king bout plos damge--ShadowFog 13:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Amazing how angry one person can get over such a minor change. This skill does not define rangers that don't use burning arrow. Apply poison+BHA. Apply poison+Burning Arrow. Apply Poison+Incendiary Arrows. Apply Poison+Crippling Shot. Apply Poison+Melandru's Shot. This skill is used in Turret Ranger builds, and nothing else. If you hate BA rangers, use apply poison+BHA or incendiary, or crippling or melandrus. They didn't kill off any builds. Even turret rangers still work with just less +damage. 72.161.115.13 16:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Someone needs to stop failing so hard because I don't want to laugh until my tummy hurts.Pika Fan 17:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Failing so hard: Like Anet not being able to figure out that invoking a whining community means they're nerfing the fun out of the game. PuppetX 17:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Failing so hard: Like bad players not being satisfied unless anet gives them broken skills .Pika Fan 19:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Yay natural selection. --8765 17:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

GJ on superfailing. I for one want to have a game where not only ONE FUCKING PREPARATION is viable. Maybe having fun in some AB enjoying some Flatbow range+mobility while not utterly crippling my preparation. But obviously this game doesn't care that a skill has been around FOREVER and defines a class like Frenzy defines warriors. NOoooooo instead theyre gonna nerf AN OLD PROPH SKILL instead of the new imba shit like Flail.....oh wait thats been nerfed too and RtW has been nerfed FOR NO EFFING REASON AT ALL o.o gooooooooooood job at failing anet really proud of ya
 * gvgers need to stop failing at Build Wars so they stop nerfing.--ShadowFog 23:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Complaints will do nothing. Just leave the game like I did. To me, this nerf is the equivalent of GW "jumping the shark" - it means the game is done. I will not be returning until this is reverted, and it won't be. Arshay Duskbrow 01:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * tbh, you won't be missed. --75.71.65.101 01:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I love you too. ^_^ Arshay Duskbrow 04:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Those timestamps are very nearly lined up despite the difference in indents. I love it, and yet... they're still very slightly off. 69.109.190.242 05:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ShadowFog pls,We only want a skill to be nerfed if its really OP.OP skills often work like cheat codes.Its fun the first time and perhaps th second time but TBH It doesnt stay that way.Gimmicks dont have golden moments or superb tactics.Most of the time its just NUKELOLWEWIN.If you say we fail at build wars thats fine but you should realise that anet should do away with build wars (and thus with meta).Remember when they first said "Its not about the skills you bring,Its how you use them".Yh they were pretty much right when they said that.When you can actually support your opinion people might take you seriously  Lilondra  [[Image:Miniature_Panda.png|21x21px]] *panda*  06:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA
havent been online for about 1 month now due to RL stress and now that im back my biggest wish has come true. thx anet, those stupid lameass rangers were op as shit. and to all those whiners here: if you overuse a skill/build it gets nerfed. it has been like that for ever and ever and ever now so stop Q.Q and get back to inventing another imba build, play it for some time and wait till it gets nerfed again. rinse and repeat. 84.145.213.34 16:23, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Skillless fuck. Still gonna DShot your ass when you frenzy-healsig idiot. Nothing more to say here.
 * Frenzy cannot be dshotted, and you probably can't dshot healsig neither78.20.153.111 18:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bow Attack. If this attack hits, target foe's action is interrupted. If that action was a Skill, you strike for + damage. BO6B 04:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)