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Splinter Weapon
Minions can now be splintered.... yay? ♥ Tyloric ♣ 03:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know the Devs were such fans of Sabway. :0 -- Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 03:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The change to the AI's usage of Splinter Weapon on minions was probably due to this bug report. --Silver Edge 03:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I was only being facetious. :) -- Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 03:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Why...just....why...it will just cause Rt-Heroes using splinterweapon, like Razah in my case, to cast themselfs out of energy if there is a minionmaster and no i'm not a fan of sabway. Lou Wolfskin 05:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow... they can fix this but they still cant fix the rez shrines in the Battledepths? Lynx Raven Raide [[image:User Lynx Raven Raide Logo.png|User:Lynx Raven Raide]] 08:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Cast themselves out of energy.... sabway.... didn't think it was possible :) 192.203.160.241 12:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Read again, Rt-Heroes not N/Rt-stupidity. Lou Wolfskin 16:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be happy if my xandra burned herself outa energy spamming this spell. Going to try with pets to see if she will cast on them. A side note, even on casters the dmg is still the same, doesnt matter what character AI drops this on so long as they are attacking. Justice 06:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as i know the AI used splinter on pets long before this update, the 'problem' for most ppl was that they didn't used it on minions (which was 'fixed' with this update). Lou Wolfskin 17:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Tested, AI didnt before this update and still do not after, reguarding pets incase someone fails at reading. I didnt know AI was fond of casting weapon spells on anything but party members with the possible exception being the three healing/life stealing ones. Justice 03:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Shining Blade Appearances
Has anybody documented any of these appearances? --Musha 03:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen 4 different people outside ToA. Shadow, Snakebite, Scout Melthoran, and Alari Doubleblade Zefir 03:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

try were some of the encounters happen...- Zesbeer 03:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Who gives a fuck. This has been going on too long. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 03:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Whine whine, bloody whine. Seriously, this is fine.  They're doing a slow build up, things are slowly coming together, and I like it that way.  Much better than if they rushed things all at once, and everyone's finished the war in a week (or month).  This way, things draw out, they can add detail, and you see the events unfolding.  Gods, ADHD much? -- Tashiro 17:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

For shame Felix. I tried to tell you all that this was going to be an ongoing thing, potentially escalating right up to the release of GW2, but would any of you listen? no... you all decided it was just going to be for the anniversary and then it would be over. So now we have explorable pages that are just a horrendous mish mash of stuff, and it's just going to get worse since I think there is a lot more to come...... so get over it. -- Wyn  talk  04:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * At least it gave Shadow's pet spider Assassin skills. That's funny enough for me to be content today. Zefir 03:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just got 3 Shining Blade Recruits added to my party outside ToA. All level 17, two warriors, one ranger. 24.21.12.64 04:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've only heard of those 4 NPCs, they might be the only ones in the random appearances. -- Konig / talk 04:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Or not. Beaten by a minute. -- Konig / talk 04:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently they have skills as well, as compared to the ones elsewhere. For example the two Warriors seem to be carrying Power Attack, Shield Stance, and Soldier's Strike. Don't know if they've got anything else on their bars. 24.21.12.64 04:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Who gives a fuck. This has been going on too long."
 * Pics or it didn't happen. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 04:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lynsey said in an interview they had about a month more of content to release for the 5th anniversay. Assuming the War in Kryta is the anniversary content (which was said by the interviewer and he wasn't corrected) the War in Kryta content should finish by the end of May/early April. I agree though, it does feel like this "here's a single peanut" each week format they have chosen is almost frustrating. I could handle a drawn out release schedule, but this feels way too long for so little each time. 58.106.43.167 04:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding? I love this! Something big is coming and they're slowly building up to it, feeding us just a piece of the puzzle at a time.  Each time they do it reminds me that we are getting to a big update.  It's something to look forward to.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 05:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The other IP is right. In the interview, the anniversary and "new quests" were mentioned together. It looks like this is just meant to tide us over until Linsey gets her shit together. This has officially become one of the most boring events of all time. The national bingo competition is probably more lively than this. Zzzzz wake me when something actually gets added besides boring bullshit. 208.100.1.46 05:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @Musha: Don't kid yourself, bro man dawg. Your big update already came and went. That's the only "new" content you're going to see out of the War in Kryta. The rest will be recycled models, a stale old story, and the same pop culture-riddled dialogue that they've used a dozen times. Oh, there might be some actual scenario you can participate in eventually, but the devs know that everyone will just roll through it with Discordway in the hopes of some reward to make all this drudgery worthwhile, so they'll just copy-pasta the enemies' skillbars from PvX, a tactic that's proven efficient and productive. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This WiK event could have gone better if they had released each teaser every 2nd or 3rd day. Once every week just frustrates me rather than excite me BO6B 06:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I prefer once a week, myself. Gives me a chance to catch up on things at my own pace, rather than having to rush. Tashiro 17:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Then again, frustration is a sign of excitement. We all still want to take part in the final events. 58.106.43.167 08:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, so back to the topic here... I have figured out a bit what the random Shining Blade appearances are. Near the portal of every Krytan area (except Talmark Wilderness and the Southern Kryta areas) a random Shining Blade ally will spawn.  The random ally could be one of the following Shining Blade members who uses the listed skills:
 * Alari Doubleblade (20)
 * way of the assassin
 * intimidating aura
 * smoke powder defense
 * golden lotus strike
 * fox fangs
 * twisting fangs
 * way of perfection
 * critical strike
 * Scout Melthoran (20)
 * anthem of weariness
 * expert's dexterity
 * forked arrow
 * "go for the eyes!"
 * dual shot
 * troll unguent
 * kindle arrows
 * Shadow (20) & Carlotta (20)
 * read the wind
 * poison tip signet
 * penetrating attack
 * crossfire
 * troll unguent
 * broad head arrow
 * epidemic
 * natural stride


 * siphon strength
 * black spider strike
 * horns of the ox
 * snaring web (monster skill)
 * vampiric assault
 * enduring toxin
 * shadow refuge
 * falling spider
 * Snakebite (20)
 * disarm
 * apply poison
 * serpent's quickness
 * counterattack
 * "you're all alone!"
 * sever artery
 * lion's comfort
 * knee cutter
 * 1-3 Shining Blade Recruits (17) Warrior or Ranger
 * power attack
 * shield stance
 * soldier's strike
 * healing signet


 * arcing shot
 * called shot
 * power shot
 * troll unguent
 * I've listed everything here since there still is no agreement about what should be done about the inclusion of the new WiK information. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 09:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * you could add that list to the wik page...also the pages for thous npcs should be updated. - [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 09:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do these NPCs spawn during Defend North Kryta Province? Would be awesome to have some extra hired help for that quest. 68.118.250.100 13:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If they spawn in North Kryta then yes, they should. Has anyone noticed their AI is more terrible than usual? I was watching Snakebite for a while to record his skill bar, and he didn't seem to be doing anything most of the time. If I was stationary with a mob aggroed, he spent most of the battle running back and forth between foes but not actually attacking them. 58.106.43.167 14:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Noticed that with Snakebite as well. I was vanquishing Watchtower Coast (from Divinity Coast) as a Barrage Ranger with a longbow (had a party of the three necro heroes in Sabway, plus Stefan and Claude).  Most of the battles he would hang on the backline with me.  If (foolishly) I'd run into battle, he'd follow me and start attacking; but after I pulled back, he would finish on the foe he was fighting and then pull back with me.   Good for soaking up some peacekeeper damage, but that was about it.  Maybe he's more useful if the PC is melee (or touch) based.--SomeDoug 15:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people on this thread are going to look pretty dumb if this shining blade thing turns out to be anything bigger than a quest chain *eyes Felix* have some patience you swabs! I suspect they're going for some kind of Vietnam style rising conflict, they aren't cheating you by ADDING stuff to the game ffs, take a ritalin, go to your 'happy place' and wait for the next update Yla Da Heela 10:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

EotN Dialogue
There is some new dialogue just outside EotN with Evennia and some of the Ebon Vanguard including Thackarey and Gwen Lynx Raven Raide   08:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * indeed poor gwen.(even if she is a ragging bitch)- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 09:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't get these new dialogue bits to trigger. Anyone know triggers them?  203.173.151.80 10:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need to finish the scavenger hunt from Thackeray and then watch the last dialogue in HoM --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 10:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * i can confirm this.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 10:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing is appearing for me after finishing scavenger + watching last dialogue. 85.29.102.165 10:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you watch the dialogues in the Blade Camp? --Tera 10:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It worked. Thanks 85.29.102.165 11:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * looks like gwen gets heartbroken (again) 70.139.49.71 14:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thackeray is the heartbroken one. He is simply responding in kind. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 19:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, where is the appropriate place to document this new dialogue? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 19:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thackeray will dump Gwen and go for Princess Selma!^^ --74.13.148.2 10:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @Zesbeer: The thought going through my head was 'serves her right for being a cold bitch.' some people never learn until it is too late. Lynx Raven Raide  [[image:User Lynx Raven Raide Logo.png|User:Lynx Raven Raide]] 21:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @ on the zone's page.- [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 23:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Imo, the Gwen & Thackeray side story is separate content so I'm going to start a new page for it. Since it's part of GW:B, I think it deserves one.  It will allow us to clean up Thackeray's page as well as get all that content in one location instead of spread out here and here.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 01:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

New Dialogue!
No one cares. When do we get real content, Anet? Where the fuck is the anniversary content we were told about in 2 interviews? This is boring and no one cares/notices. 207.126.166.2 13:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people DO find this slow unveiling of events interresting....I certainly do myself.--74.13.157.105 13:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Well if you get all horny by these updates comming 'slow' then get a life. Anet says linseys sick and cant work on the updates atm, pathetic. There nerds on this planet that are dieng of aids and cancer and they still manage play WoW. So i dont think it will be that hard to sit infront of the PC and get your job done, so howbout get the content a bit quicker and less QQ coz ive got a little back ache :( :( :( oh and the content will be a few shit quests that are described "Exciting quests", they will hardly be that good lol. 77.102.52.40
 * Errr....MR IP, no offence but how about a bit less of the QQ? Cheers. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed. And some people really have a LIFE outside this game, why would anyone work for their job when they're sick? Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 14:43, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It took Guru almost 24 hours to even start a thread on this. And GWGuru typically has threads up in a matter of minutes of every update. I may be wrong, but most of the people I've talked to in-game don't even know this is happening. And a lot of other people know, but couldn't care less. It's just dialogue and boring encounters. Not worth time and effort, really. 208.53.138.21 16:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * This whole War in Kryta thing is about STORY, not content. Stop whining that things aren't what they were never meant to be. -- [[Image:User_Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 16:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

You know what? I happen to like the story. I like watching how this war is playing out, how alliances are being formed, and how things are slowly marching towards the future. Do I need Missions and Quests for this? No. When they come out, they'll come out. Until then, I like the slow build up. Not everything has to be instant gratification. Tashiro 16:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Arenanet has just spent a month+ to tell us this much of the story:
 * The White Mantle has become more totalitarian, and has hired thugs to "keep the peace."
 * The Shining Blade has moved their base into Kryta. Their contempt for the White Mantle has peaked, so they are gathering external forces to launch an offensive against the White Mantle.
 * Gwen and Keiran are having relationship issues
 * 
 * I just tl;dr'd this whole past +month in less than 5 minutes. That's how uninteresting this whole WiK business is. -- R i ddle 18:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Woooo, yeah, i can also tell the whole WWII within 2 minutes. still it took years and yes, it's kind of interesting. Just a quote: "Guild Wars is a CORPG, or Competitive/Cooperative Online Role Playing Game"...ROLE PLAYING...and i am happy this is a game that actually cares about a (devoloping) STORY LINE and a background story. there are more than enough stupid hack'n slay games out there. maybe people complaining should play those. no one is forced to be interested in the actual story, but pleeeese stop those whiny rants. ty.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 19:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * it's funny seeing people with arguments like "no one cares" arguing with people that care. :P (Frizz 19:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC))
 * The funny thing is: if they don't care, why DO they care? answers anyone? ^^   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 19:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, I'm not against a (good) storyline. Though, how ArenaNet is presenting the storyline for WiK is like reading The Brothers Karamazov one page per week. It's taking too long, and their isn't enough meat to it to justify the length. -- R i ddle 19:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's true that it isn't very fast, but it's a conflict. things are developing. i think they are trying to do it close to real time instead of using a time lapse. might not be thrilling but it feels more natural than a whole war/conflict happening in one week. and we wouldn't be able to actually "participate" by meeting NPCs, fighting new villains if things would be rushed...and participating is the big difference to reading a book and playing a game.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 20:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This is reading a book as it's been written, while it's nice and interesting to see Guild Wars is a game, not a book; it's like playing a game which heavy amounts of cutscenes that could very well have been playable, sure the developers get the information across but if I wanted to watch movies I would go rent a movie.
 * It's writing is interesting to view, almost totally in definites; bad guys are bad guys (sometimes in very over-the-top ways smashed with cult references), while the good guys are all good and pure. For the player, there is no true choice of side, which is a disappointing thing; it's already been confirmed by Linsey that you're Shining Blade whether you run around Lion's Arch smashing OBEY! all you want.
 * It's an interesting spin on new content but interest is definately being lost. Such as with the whole Waiting Game thing, a novel idea up until people actually find out you're still writing the content out.  203.118.168.111 20:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The war doesn't have to unfold within a week, or whatever short timespan. On top of that, there is nothing for the player to do, other than watch. That's not participation, that's going to the movies. Sure, you kill a few new re-skinned NPCs; they don't reward anything other than XP, so there is no incentive to do so.
 * Making players do something while the tension between the factions builds would have been the ideal route. Releasing even one quest per week for something like "Recruit the Ebon Vanguard" would be a lot better than what is happening now: We're seeing players getting burnt out because we've been given nothing but Exposition for the past month. -- R i ddle 20:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you wanted a story, go read Tolkien or Frank Herbert, I play guild wars because I want to play a game. RollStone 22:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to tell people how to enjoy a game, go somewhere else. Your own reasons for playing GW are irrelevant to us. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 22:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have read Tolkien and Herbert...and many more. And still i want a game and a story. call me greedy. but don't tell me what to do pls ;) would be great if people could stop hating this just because THEY can't make use of it when many others can. just relax and chill an be a little more tolerant. this game is for all of us as long as it doesn't hurt you (just ignore the new story) let the rest of us enjoy it. i agree the new content could be more interactive, but oh well...i still like it.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 23:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's funny to watch people QQ over a game. And @ the "summary" of the event, any book can be summarized into a paragraph, if not less. Usually that's what is on the back of the book, you know. There's a lot more to the story than that, but that is the summarization. And it isn't bad that one can summarize it so short, it's not even the size of a book after all. -- Konig / talk 02:09, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW, you can totally ignore all these little "movies" events if you want. You don't like it? Don't waste your time going to the Shining Balde camp or other places like that. Ot you can wait a few months and do it all in one big session.--74.13.148.2 10:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, no. You can't just ignore it. Try vanquishing any of the areas that the Peacekeepers have taken up residence in. If you could check a box in options to enable their spawns, then there would be no problem. But there's no opt-in. It's affecting every player. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 10:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, Felix, he said ignore the "movie events" i.e, the dialogue not the spawn change. And so what if you have to fight Peacekeepers. It isn't like they are impossible to kill in Hard Mode. So they're a harder group, so what - it's a better challenge, and it's more uniqueness to the "same old thing" that is vanquishing. -- Konig / talk 21:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Kinda hard to ignore it when that's the only thing Anet's been updating for the past month. Just saying. -- R i ddle 04:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * more mobs = more spamming of buttons = BORING if anet want to brind out new content make it exiting or release it in a form such as a cartoon/anime, i watch TV for story lines and play games for the combat, im not completly against the whole story line but atleast make it interesting, this shit is like the storyline to warhammer online, boring, dull, and 99% of the community ignores it because tis so slow, boring, and time wasting when you could be out there slaughtering monsters, watching a TV show that has a good story line or even out and about in real life learning that when you get into bar fights yelling out SLIVER ARMOR! and STONEFLESH AURA! will magically make you feel less pain and the other guys will randomly fall down from backfire damage.211.26.218.142 14:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine Mr. IP...if that's how you like your games...why don't you let other people like them in another way? Thanks for your tolerance. If you like buttonsmashing without any reason or background, fine. I don't. And never will. My free time (which is the time beside my real life, and that's what games are made for) I want something I can enjoy. And you actually claim that watching TV is less boring that playing Guild Wars? Also fine, go watch TV, let me enjoy this game, including it's story line. I don't need a RPG without the "R" for role and any background. I have other games that allow me senseless slaying and smashing. Some people simply buy the add-ons for the new skills they offer, to have some more skill buttons to smash, some buy them for the new story, the landscape, the design.   ~ D ragon   [[Image:User Zaishen Dragon sig.png|User talk:Zaishen Dragon]] 15:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Elemental Dust
What does this mean? "The different stacks of Elemental Dust still cannot be combined." and why is this noteworthy? (Xu Davella 13:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC))
 * because the update was supposed to fix it (According to ANets official update notes), but it hasn't, so the note is worthwhile. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 14:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the note with a clarification of the actual fix: new items will work properly, but those already in characters' inventories are as they are. Matthew Moore 19:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Boring
We need is balancing for some retard OP shit, not adding useless explorable area encounter events. --61.219.36.34 08:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you realise how much we hated Shadow Form before the nerf.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 08:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Or loved Shadow Form :p Etnys 09:59, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But SW is countered by some other non-OP shit...59.100.69.213 11:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * assassin=OP NERF THIS POS! god all pvp except the codex arena seems to consist of a bunch of assassins running up to you, either knock-locking or doing insane damage while your monk sits in the back lines being molested by another assassin, all while your other team mates are busy hitting on the other assassin who has shroud of distress, flashing blades and shadow refuge up. its bloody ridiculous they have too much survivability against physical classes and enough DPS to burn someone down while being focused by an anti melee
 * god dammit ANET GIVE ME THE OPTION TO TURN THESE FUCKING ALLIED NPC'S OFF!!!!!
 * I am a fan of assassins and it's sad seeing 90% of the community hating them in general over a couple of problems, but I agree that the current PvP assassin meta is really powerful. It's basically Seeping Wound and Palm Strike, but Palm Strike is the worst offender in my opinion because if you're a skilled assassin (or if you're against an unskilled monk) you're basically going to kill them in a matter of seconds.  Fortunately the assassin is still easily stopped, thanks to things like Blind or Empathy or other hexes - Empathy especially depending on what build you're using as an assassin, so the idea that they're over powered is questionable.
 * And it's no where near the scale of what Shadow Form used to be like so wtf? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Counter=/=balance. Put it this way, if there are so many great counters to the sins, why am I seeing so many of them? I mean I'm glad they finally got some love in the GvG area, but for the rest they are just running rampant. Making 1 proffesion be able to do multiple things really good is bad (in this case lots of damage+good defense), we saw that whith the whole smite monk period. Sad thing is, Anets "counterbalance" to the situation is probably going to be as bad as the "balance" that caused it :( 217.231.72.96 14:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost every profession has something as overpowered as Palm Strike/Seeping Wound, people are just so used to the GW meta being shit that they only complain about the most recent stuff. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 15:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I really think Shadow Form has skewed the community's opinion on assassins. It's the black sheep but it's no worse than the state of the other nine professions.  Now if you'll notice I was agreeing that assassins are powerful, but it's not as big a travesty as people make it out to be.  Counters aren't the crux of balance but they do matter a lot especially if you're playing melee.  In RA at least, an assassin will be removed from the game if a mesmer is able to put Empathy on them, no matter how powerful you are as an assassin.    Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Empathy isn't complete removal from the game, if you're smart you can still push a kill. And no, Shadow Form isn't what made people pissed at sins. It's all the retarded overpowered combos they've been allowed to have. SP/BoA, BB sins, PS sins, and now the SW bullshit. Face it, they're a class designed for you to mash buttonz and win, nothing more. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 17:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But if their combos required an active timed hit, and was different every time you use it (to try to deter bots)... --Curin Derwin 00:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Bots can detect if your attacks hit/dont hit ;)  <font color="black" face="courier new">dark  <font color="gray" face="courier new">chaos   01:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Empathy is a terrible option for removing assassins (compared to the alternatives). -~=Ϛρѧякγ  User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png  (τѧιк)  01:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing as faint completely rapes a hammer war, and bsurge rapes everything, I'd say empathy is at the low end of the spectrum. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning 01:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Shadowform hatred was solely in pve, because it was the nearest thing to botting without actually botting. In pvp however shadowform was never a problem (unless somebody decided to make a build purely to troll his/her team, do I hear you say W/Mo/Me echo mending tank?). Sins are disliked in pvp because they aren't being what they are supposed to be: Glass cannonballs. Do alot of damage, but really prone to counterattacks, interrupts etc.. This would cause the person using the sin to actually plan ahead, when to attack, who to attack, how can I escape, what teammembers can potentialy help me achieve my goal, yadayada. Now however most sins use the attack pattern of "WUT?! it's moving?! Not in my world it is not!!!!11!" *1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8*. In the rare case that the target survives it will not deter the sin because his chains now can be spammed into infinity and behond! *1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8*. And that from a game that is supposed to revolve around competitive pvp, the way it is now it would fit in better with WoW "spam more to win". Maybe anet is just trying to please the narruto fans or something. Tell you what, if the majority of the community becomes Gundam fans we might be seeing enormous robot suits in GW2! :D 217.231.110.222 11:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The Asura are actually getting golem battle suits. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 14:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, I knew somebody was going to come up with that >_< 217.231.110.222 17:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)