Talk:Miku

Initial reactions
Named after Hatsune Miku ? She wields emerald-like daggers. Tiranythe 23:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. "Miku" isn't all that uncommon of a Japanese name. 68.187.231.220 01:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, miku is a common name so it will be wrong to link them just because of the name. It would be Hatsune Miku if she had leeks instead of daggers XD--Batousai 01:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I waaaannntttt leeeeeeek daaaggeerrrssss... -- Unending  User Unendingfear Sig2.png fear  01:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If Hatsune Miku is that animated singer thingie that Unendingfear linked to, then it is indeed not the inspiration (lots of folks in the TK thought it was, Stumme said it wasn't. :/). -- Konig / talk 03:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, it's just she normally doesn;t have that mask on. :p -- Unending  User Unendingfear Sig2.png fear  13:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the laugh you guys, I needed that after seeing the blocking issue on live. This headache just won't go away. ><; But no, she isn't named after Hatsune Miku, I used the name because of its meaning - although my fiance and I are both pretty big Vocaloid fans. She especially loves "The World Is Mine" and I have a fondness for "Daughter of Evil" (Rin Kagamine.) Leek daggers might be the best idea that I've seen all day. I wonder if I could make the case "But we already have a banana scythe!" John Stumme 04:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And this is our first glimpse into the Winds of Change content... New weapon skin: Leek Daggers. Originally wielded by an assassin of the Obsidian Flame (guild). The in-game store will have limited edition Obsidian Leeks for sale, for extra earth damage. -- Konig / talk 04:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * John, if we get leek daggers, oh man, thanks for trying. <3 -- Unending  User Unendingfear Sig2.png fear  13:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I swear they made her after me... she even looks like me - MikuChan 04:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ahaha mike and you thought I was lying :P– User Balistic B d-dark.pngalistic 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, knowing John it'd be a vocaloid reference.. Haha. Especially with all the Media attention she's getting lately. Kinda surprised it wasn't. [[Image:User Karuro Icon.png]] Karuro 10:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Though... She should'a had two ponytails, just so we could've been sure.-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 16:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Too bad he won't dump Gwen, Miku is 10 times more interesting. RazoR 39999 16:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It makes me glad to see people have taken such a liking to her (aside from people that dislike Assassins by virtue of them being Assassins.) As the first major character I've added to GW, I wanted to make sure that she was strong, both in a supporting and eventual leading role. There's going to be fewer central characters in Winds of Change so that I can dedicate the appropriate amount of time to making sure that they're all fleshed out and compelling. I'm excited to see how people are going to react to it when it's finally out. And just so the talk of characters doesn't scare people: the player is going to be central to all of this content. I don't want people feeling like bystanders anymore. John Stumme 20:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * People dislike assassin heroes because they rarely use their combos correctly, and because they are melee heroes. Not just because they are assassins.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  21:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My Anton worked greatly for me with his scythe (tanking sin with scythe and crit. defenses + heavy regeneration + conviction), he used nearly the same build than my character (we were the team's tanks) and he used it correctly. I benched him once I realized I could tank nearly alone with my build and a MM so I could play caster heros. Once we have the 7 heros team, he will probably return to my team, and maybe Zenmai as archer-sin, so I'm not against sin heros. Lokheit 21:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea where those that think Miku is a common Japanese name get their knowledge or are going on about, but I can guarantee that Miku is most definitely not a common Japanese name. At all. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 22:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Miku in Japanese can mean Beautiful Sky (Hmmmm...), Beautiful Long-time, Beautiful bright-red (That fits her so well, her being an assassin, her quest for revenge and so forth) and interestingly enough Future (I wonder what this could mean...Another mystery? :D). I like her already lol. It helps that she can take care of herself, the bonus mission pack allies were a bit frustrating at times. You have another supporter here, can't wait for winds of change to show us the rest of her story : ) 142.51.215.118 09:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

So, John, you mentioned you named her Miku because of the meaning of her name? What is the meaning? --Musha 09:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Come back and ask me again after Winds of Change is done. Saying too much now would just spoil things! I'm curious though, would people be interested in seeing some lore pieces on the website written from her perspective leading up to things? John Stumme 00:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * IP would love that <3 98.210.8.185 00:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Many players couldn't care less, myself included, but I can gurantee you that a significant part would drool all over them. Backsword 00:51, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Another IP would love that too88.138.216.119 06:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet a third IP would love that. 68.144.77.185 07:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and wrote something then, it's kind of a little transitional piece for HotN -> WoC. Not sure when it'll go out, but probably not until we get closer to the start of the new content. John Stumme 20:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I am prolly one of the people Backsword was referring to. I thoroughly enjoy these bits of lore you toss in our direction. :D Can't wait to see it! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 03:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * @IP above... I'm very curious to know how you came to the conclusion of the names you provided without knowing the characters used? Mi doesn't always mean beautiful, it could mean blessing as well, or have any number of other meanings; it all depends on the characters in the name. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 03:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Google is my friend and yours Musha ; ) Plus honestly it fits better than the other variations.--142.51.215.118 04:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

War in Kryta?
Why do all her skills says "Used during War in Kryta" when they're used in Hearts of the North? >_> ♥ Tyloric ♣ 02:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Because I copy-pasted a lot. --Mora 02:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that's all been fixed. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 04:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Is she using Stilletos?
Hi, anyone know for sure if the dagger skin she's using during the mini-mission is Stilletos? The looked like them to me, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance! LicensedLuny 12:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * yup they're stilletos. --Life Infusion &laquo;T&raquo; 13:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Marvel comic's Yukio and Logan reference
I find that this story, specially Miku's personality, is really close to the Marvel comics story arc Honor, where Wolverine wants to marry Mariko Yashida. He is abandoned in Japan and found by the assassin Yukio. Yukio request his help against "the hand" while proving herself to be an skilled but really crazy woman. During the arc it's made obvious that Yukio is sexually interested in Logan, but at the end of the story is Mariko the one that celebrates a marriage with Wolverine (despite the marriage was ruined by Mastermind, but this is another story).It's also interesting that Keiran descendant is named Logan and is said to have a "dark past". Lokheit 13:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's so far fetched, plus there's stories of adventuring males and females all over the place. RazoR 39999 16:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But not so many of them about a man that wants to marry a woman that rejected him (despite loving him), and during the story he is aided by an energetic freedom lover ninja assassin that constantly tries to make him interested on her.Lokheit 19:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The story isn't based on any existing works (I actually don't read comics much unless they're self contained works that have an ending, like Scott Pilgrim or The Sandman). It came about from me looking at the situation that Keiran and Gwen's relationship was in, and what I felt was needed to make it work again. In the case of Keiran, his affection for Gwen seemed to border on puppy love, a sort of first crush lacking the real... need that serious adult relationships have. So I put him in a situation with someone that he gets along and works well with easily and naturally. The idea was to present him with a good opportunity, where it would be very easy for him ... to make him realize that the thing that he loved about Gwen all along was that she was a challenge. This is just a case of there only being so many ways to tell a story, and in the end, everything will be similar to something else. John Stumme 20:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * @John_Stumme Ok thanks for the info John. I just said it to know if it was worth to make a reference in the trivia section but I suppose that it's easy to find common points on love stories, it wasn't my intention to say it was copied or something like that. BTW, a little off-topic: As a videogame design student in Spain, Arenanet is one of the teams I take as inspiration of how to do things right (probably the first one on my mind), I love how you're working with the GWBeyond content and GW2 and the blogs showing us how you're working on this game and your motivations, this is one of the reasons that makes me feel comfortable with what I decided to study. When I saw the name answering here I was really shocked, so thanks to answer personally to my comment John. Lokheit 21:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, I wasn't offended or anything, just explaining. Text fails at conveying inflection, sometimes. I'm glad you're liking how we're handling things though, I try to be as involved as I can be. With the build going out, I have more time to be monitoring things on the forums and the Wiki and responding, but after this weekend I'm probably going to be heads down and focusing on Winds of Change again. John Stumme 22:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I wish you the best with this new content design, I'm loving all the new content and stories added to the game. Lokheit 00:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hero?
I hope she won't be the new hero we are promised... Assassins are generally not very good heroes. -77.166.63.187 16:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with critical bow/scythe/axe/hammer hero sins. It has been stated that it's not an assassin or ranger, anyway. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 17:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And since the information from interviews doesn't always get around, we're going to be making some improvements to melee Heroes regardless in another build. John Stumme 18:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, John said in another post that the new hero will not be Assassin or Ranger. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 21:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But i want her to be my new hero :( Latronis 12:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * One way to spice up heroes in a really cool way is to give them hero-specific skills that are similar to pve-only skills in their power. For example, Dunkoro could have a skill Master Strategist which does something-or-other, while Livia might have Sacrifice for the Cause which does something else. --208.179.66.2 08:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ^That is the best idea I've seen for this game in weeks. 24.46.99.66 02:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe she might be, though we do have to take into account what has been stated a few times here already.... The new hero will not be a Sin or a Ranger.  Let's consider this though.  Keiran was a Ranger before he becomes available as a Hero.  This allows the possibility that Miku can be a different profession.  Most likely, if this is the case, she will have a different form.  I mean, imagine a Rit in assassin garb....  Awkward. lol. Jason Marak  07:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You know the "the new hero will not be an assassin or ranger" is kind of null now, since we got that new hero? If there is a new hero in the future (which I don't doubt), that guarantee probably doesn't apply anymore. 128.113.201.222 21:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
Her dialogue is the same as that of Hayda when you first encounter her in Sparkfly Swamp. <-- This should be getting fixed. Miku has her own greet line that is less angsty. For those curious, the text is: "When your eyes wander, so does your mind. Focus on the task that is at hand." John Stumme 19:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * HA. That is a good line. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 21:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just for reference, she still has the Hayda dialogue for me, and I've restarted GW several times. So that might still need to be fixed.  :)  Ailina 03:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I never saw her with a unique dialogue myself... (and it should be noted that Hayda's dialogue in Sparkfly Swamp is just a generic greet text - a lot of NPCs have that dialogue, like the ally Mad King's Guards in the newer Halloween quests). -- Konig / talk 04:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah same here, this wasn't fixed yet. RazoR 39999 21:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * it's the same dialogue as Shaudok in Zehlon Reach--212.139.194.8 10:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Withering Blade / Gravestone Marker
Would be awesome if Miku woud use the skill more often.  Koda   Kumi  20:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's 'cos she spends way too much time reapplying jagged strikes when bleeding is removed. Dumb AI is dumb.  Z  encow [[Image:User_Ox_rider_Sig.png]] 10:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Death's Embrace
Anyone else a bit tired of her charging in and aggroing multiple groups when you're trying to pull? :/ BellonaBacchus 00:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No. I use a long or flat bow and pull groups in from farther out. She doesn't over-aggro (anymore). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 01:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Fail
She calls Promise of Death in team chat, but you can't even press T to select the target. --Macros 06:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * She's not an actual party member, but an ally. There's no in-game mechanic afaik that would let allies see a called target. Sort of how you can read what the other teams in AB call out as targets but don't get the target marker. Either way it's pretty easy to determine her target. It's usually the closest one to her, plus that skill is the only hex either of them have so just tab through the group, and if there's no monk to remove it, you'll find the hexed target within seconds. RazoR 39999 13:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * CLICKING IS TOO HARD!! &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  1:06, 22 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * But I spent all that time honing my elite rspike skills for an opportunity such as this. And Anet doesn't even care. --Macros 03:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's funny because it's true. :\ &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  3:13, 22 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh just watch who she targets, she uses the mark 99% of the time on the target closest to her anyways and that assasin casting animation is dead obvious; also, she ALWAYS uses mark right after her shadow-step as you engage any mob so its easy to time your snipe to hit as its used so it doesn't get hex removed even if its a HB'ed Cure Hex, and if you follow her first call everything falls into place since snipe and mark have the same recharge. Z  encow [[Image:User_Ox_rider_Sig.png]] 10:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Its totally awesome when she shadow steps to a sin enforcer, and they shadow step to her/Keiran at the same time, with her marking them along the way. C and 1, done.24.210.240.189 03:17, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Bad AI is bad
She keeps reapplying Jagged Strikes, not following me, staying out of combat... how am I supposed to kill White Mantle scum if she's checking out my ass all the damn time? Ifm2181 02:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * She follows a clear pattern. Try using a long/flat-bow for pulling, so you're dealing with fewer foes at a time and follow her called targets (probably the nearest enemy, but possibly some other algorithm). Just because we play the Hero and she's merely the AI doesn't mean that the usual h/h tactics apply. With a little practice, you should be able to take out Rotscale regularly. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 03:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the reason why she was messing up is because I was using a flatbow, actually. We can attack each other, out of her AI's aggro range. Ifm2181 00:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, since I don't normally play rangers, I have to remember to switch from the pulling bow to a short or recurve after attracting attention. Glad it's working better for you. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * She's getting ridiculous! She doesn't attack actual targets! She keeps going after minions and spirits! Come on! --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 03:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Dialogue
Looks like she stole some dialogue from Jora []? 88.104.34.82 02:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Already noted. It's a bug as well, it seems.-- Konig / talk 03:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems Hayda, Jora, White Mantle Abbot, Shaudok, and Chance Redding all share it. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 03:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the Mad King's Guards. It seems to be a default dialogue. -- Konig / talk 04:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

So, uh...
Has anyone else noticed that she wears regular canthan bodice and leggings (with body-length pantyhose, it seems) and obby hands and feet? --  Timeoffire45   rawr  19:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 20:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They always give the best armor to NPC's. :/ [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 13:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Skill missed on the bar
I've watched her for a while, and she also uses a non-elite version of Temple Strike (8sec blind and dazed), or at least, in a vengeance of blades she does so.
 * oh btw, i would like to use this chance to point out a theory, too, maybe this is some sort of in-gw1 demo of the gw2 gameplay? more (essential) teamwork, and close coöperation? 82.156.22.85 10:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC) (deadfalk, not logged in)
 * Win theory is win. You probably have a great point here, though GW had to adjust some of the mechanics a bit and work with that it had.  I don't see why they would introduce an altered game play format like this unless it was indeed to introduce the GW2 style of play.  If so, both of these characters skill bars are capable of being beast, together they are dom (until Miku just charges in like a tard).  So yea, I think you are on to something there.Jason Marak 04:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Factions Hero
With all these Guild Wars Beyond quests going on, I hope they come up with a hero specially for Factions soon. They've already got Keiran Thackeray for Prophecies (albeit EotN too), so hopefully Miku or someone new will be Factions' first ever hero. It's only a matter of time before Anet introduces new quests to the campaign, I think. I only own Factions btw so it has been really sad having only henchmen. 220.255.2.164 17:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Create a wiki account. Go to Feedback:Getting started. Create a feedback page and then suggest the above. Otherwise Anet will not read and cannot use this suggestions. G R E E N E R  18:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Zenmai? (Albeit NF, too.) But I have a feeling Miku will be the second hero directly tied to Factions, and again an assassin. Boring. :/ But who knows, maybe they'll make her transform into a paragon with daggers! [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 21:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not believe they'll make Miku a paragon should they introduce her as a hero when GWB finally reaches factions. After all, there are already 3 paragon heroes (Morgahn, Hayda, Keiran), so to have a fourth would be odd; probably why Keiran wasn't made a ranger because there are already 3 of them (Pyre, Margrid, Jin). Of all the hero professions, only the Assassin, Mesmer and Ritualist are yet to have three, Anton & Zenmai, Gwen & Norgu and Razah & Xandra. Miku could very well be the third of either one of them. She will be boring yes, but I only own Factions campaign so I'll be very grateful to have her as my only hero. @Greener, thanks for the link. 220.255.2.117 06:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Rose was not serious about Miku being a paragon. -- <font color="#FF00FF">'Mai Yi ' talk  21:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We now know that Winds of Change only requires Factions, so there's a high probability Miku's going to be unlocked exclusively for that campaign. Wolcott 19:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Why would they add another sin? Does anyone use one (let alone two) assassins while limited to three heroes? Unlike Keiran's dialogue (which foreshadowed his Paragon-ness), I didn't see any likely indication that she was moving towards spiritualism or (as some would prefer) elementalism. However, she did have a tendency to interrupt and try to control the conversation, so Mesmer isn't a crazy idea. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A mesmer in such a flashy outfit! :P and I use 2 sins :P and would use 3 =D just to bother you! <3 --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 19:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Because we currently have 2 assassin heroes and in the end it is extremely likely that we will have 3 of every profession + 1 wildcard. I know this is a late reply, but mehh. - Infinite - talk 13:49, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * How do you make use of 2 sin heroes? I've been trying to come up with something reliable, but not impressed with the results. (i.e. it doesn't bother me, I'm just not clever enough to figure it out on my own...or is anyone else I know.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I use them as melee DPS spammers with an order necro (atm) --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 19:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm curious about this. I will ask more about it on your talk (since this is a far digression from Miku or her article). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * "Why would they add another sin?"

Any guesses on what her elite will be?
^^^ 76.164.116.49 21:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yuudachi
Did anyone else find anything to say she is the missing daughter of the Yuudachi family? It seems pretty obvious that's how she ties into WoC given the family's appearent importance in the random encounters and Ashu's important in the Ministry's heirarchy. 122.111.177.171 17:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Second Shadow Figure on Webstie
I'm sure she's one of the shadowy unknown figures (the female on the rigth side at front). Look the clothes, she has the same boots, the skirt has the same design even with the stars, the top is the same and she has the... well that sexy/goth thing covering her body (I don't know how to name that on english xD). Lokheit 04:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like a positive ID to me. Down to the dagger tucked into her belt and the above commented things. 209.159.216.134 05:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I downloaded the wallpaper (and a miku pic) and did some (bad) quick photoshopping. It is easy to assume that the person on the website that is not revealed (and in the wallpaper as just a red blob) is Miku


 * User_Devi59_Miku1.jpg User_Devi59_Miku2.jpg
 * } [[Image:Dervish-tango-icon-20.png|19px]]Devi 06:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, I reckon your right there guys. I had a look at the larger image that appears when you hold your pointer over the second shadowy figure and Im like 99.99% sure its Miku. Have a look for yourselves, particularly at her belt and shiruken stars (the throwing weapon thingies, whatever their called).
 * User Tytan Crow Miku.jpg


 * [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  18:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)