User talk:Tanetris/Archive 1

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Nightfallen Tomb
Hey, I didn't even know The Underworld (Nightfallen Tomb) existed. Thanks. On a side note, I'm thinking that page would be better off being similarly named like the other Nightfallen Tomb maps, that is, suffixed with "(explorable area)" instead. Since, well, it is an explorable area. Either than, or we rename the other three. -- ab.er. rant  03:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem I see with using "(explorable area)" for it is that The Underworld is also an explorable area, so it doesn't actually disambiguate it. I don't really see the need for them to be uniformly named, but if you do, I'd definitely recommend changing the other three to "(Nightfallen Tomb)"
 * Either way, happy to help. :) - Tanetris 03:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe, yeah I didn't either. Thanks. Vengeance Signet 03:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, good point about them both being explorables. Hmm.... I suppose there's no harm leaving it different from the rest. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Revert policy
My turn now. =) If you're up for it, I'd like you to look over Guild Wars Wiki:Three-revert rule and maybe see if you can let me know your input/concerns about it on its talk page. Thanks. --Rezyk 05:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice catch
.. on the staff image. <_<; | GD Defender  /  contribs 10:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

NPC Models
Answered you on my own talkpage, feel free to delete this entry here :) SimonBanefull 21:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion on bureaucrat candidates
I don't know how much it will count, but as one of those who voted for both Tanaric and Xeeron, you may want to give your specific preference at Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2007-08 bureaucrat election. I would like to see if we can reach a consensus by August 26 23:59 UTC. If not, your preference might (or might not) also be a factor in ArenaNet's final decision. Thanks. --Rezyk 20:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

why did you link to the change i made there? o.o i just ordered the names alphabetically, now it looks like i was trying to throw you outta contest XD - Y0_ ich_halt  20:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Look again, you also added "(declined)", and put strikethrough tags on in the next edit.. I think maybe you just accidentally moved the "(declined)" from Marcopolo's entry and didn't notice? I apologize for falsely assuming you had made a false assumption. ;) I'll take the comment out. - Tanetris 21:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * oh, lol. yes, that was a little mistake :/ - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] 22:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Legal
Mind if we delete Guild Wars Wiki talk:Projects/NPC models/Core and multi-campaign? You had now moved contribs there, so we need to ask. Backsword 11:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow this Talk Page needs some ACTION!
Is this OK? - elviondale  (tahlk) 03:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No! DO NOT WANT! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * T.T I love that doggie - elviondale  (tahlk) 03:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My talk page is not empty! It's just calm... - Tanetris 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You want a Guild where you can HM?
Not sure if this is wanted, but Seekers of Aralia [Myth] is recruiting, and we are pretty much dedicated to the title grind, high end farming, and HM stuff... we recently kicked 50 inactive / casual people to rebuild from our solid core of active HMers...PM myself (IGN = same as wiki name) If this is not wanted, delete or archive EDIT: i saw new years resolutions  Killer Revan 23:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought I'd actually answered this, but for the record, I already got invited into a rather nice guild in an active alliance. I'm pretty happy with it, but if things fall through for some reason, I'll keep your offer in mind. Thanks. - Tanetris 04:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats fine...as of shortly after the offer our guild kinda isn't doing quite so well...and i went inactive...im still kinda sad about about all of tose [DUPE] people that got banned...if only because some of them really could do doa...(they got banned for some kind of modding a glitch with mallyx reward)Killer Revan 13:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I nominated you for sysop.
Please accept or decline here. &mdash;Tanaric 22:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Accepted. Thanks for the nomination. - Tanetris 04:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
...on your successful RfA. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 13:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * yay! -- scourge  14:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * grats ^^ - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 14:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to you too-- Brains12  • Talk  • 15:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's gotta be the first edit conflict ever on my talk page... Thanks! I'll try not to screw up with all these shiny new buttons too quickly. ;) - Tanetris 15:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha yeah, I'm slightly fazed by all those ! s on RC and watchlist :P. Deleted my first page as well *beams* -- Brains12  • Talk  • 15:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the team ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 15:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yarrrr. &mdash;Tanaric 01:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's over 2 weeks late but congrats all the same ;) --Xasxas256 15:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Hippo fun
the plural of Hippopotamus is Hippopotami. and even if Hippopotamuses is acceptable in English language too it was Hippotami first so why change it. -- Lemming 01:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To quote a song, "I only like hippopotamuses." Hippopotami is, frankly, awkward. It's pseudo-Latin for a word that doesn't come from Latin in the first place. Aggressive Hippopotamus was already using hippopotamuses in the article, and the Wikipedia article on hippos uses it as their standard, aside from one mention of hippopotami as a common anomolous plural. If it were octopi or platypi, I'd be right there with you, on grounds that those are just fun to say, but I'm sticking with hippopotamuses here. Of course, feel free to revert if you feel strongly about it, and I'm certainly not about to get into a revert war over it. - Tanetris 02:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ban
Seeing as I haven't been on the official wiki for too long, I'm not too sure of the ban-policies. However, I do believe, this guy qualifies. Please, correct me if I'm wrong and any directions for future "reports" would be much appreciated. :) &mdash; Galil 02:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite right, he gets a blocking! For future reference, GWW:NOTICE will take you to the Admin Noticeboard for such reports. Thanks for the heads-up, - Tanetris 02:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Will keep that shortcut in mind. Thanks. :) &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png]] 02:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also a link under the "Support" heading on the navbar -- Brains12  • Talk  • 16:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Lightbringer Points
I'm trying to take your advice on adding more information, but I'm finding it kinda difficult, I think overwhelming is a better word. I've found another quest, Calling the Order. If you'd want to add that one on there as well, there ya go. If it's at all possible later, when you have some time, think you could kinda guide me through the process? SgtEli. rant @ 02:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks,.. I had a hard time trying to find out where exactly do I edit it! LOL May I ask your GW char name, so that I may notify you of my future editing mishaps?--Sgt Eli 08:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Guild Vandalism
Thanks for blocking and protection from anons. That vandal really got under my skin.  Calor  (t) 01:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandal
Thanks for taking care of that vandal. I'd forgotten how to undo multiple edits, but I eventually figured it out. Nbajammer 06:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorely tempted to ban the next non-admin who posts to the noticeboard with anything other than a report for the sysops
please dont make me have to make a draft for GWW:ADMIN --Shadowphoenix 19:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Doing things through policy is not always the best thing. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the noticeboard has recently become a forum. That's not its purpose, nor was it ever. And by the way, it says "sorely tempted". --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 20:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that is not the answer to everything, but the fact that he mentioned it makes me doubt his role a sysop imo. You do not ban people for doing things like that. --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19x19px]] 20:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tanetris's intentions in this situations, as, as Brains has kindly pointed out, the noticeboard is not a forum. But why, out of curiosity, did you give your little rant then, Tanetris? Wandering Traveler simply pointed out the incident that he believed may require admin intervention/punishment. Was it Salome's comment? Or was it just to make sure nobody adds any more "forum-like" comments?  Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 20:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The multitude of comments in archive 13, I'm guessing. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 20:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, this has been discussed several times, and concensus on talk page always ends with "User feedback is important, unneeded content can be moved to the talk page afterwards". Is not people's fault that we have a hole on sysophood at nights as to allow those kind of discutions to derive before they can be solved and moved. I would support (as the first time i asked about it) if we could just "add relevant information regarding the request for adminship intervention", but unless it is actually stated that way, overreacting for puntual cases is not really a good course of action.--Fighterdoken 20:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that many of the cases which often have long discussions could be somewhere else. Yes, I agree that user comments are helpful, but not when it ends up as flames and personal attacks. The noticeboard is being used as the first place to come, rather than being sorted out between users first, despite the ever-present message at the top of the noticeboard. If an issue needs sysop intervention, then by all means bring it up on the noticeboard, and have some users present their cases for and against. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 20:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The other problem is that every little comment pings the admin noticeboard again, until the point where the admins stop checking it every time it pings. Then you don't get the urgent help you need when mr vandal has page blanked 80+ pages with no signs of getting tierd. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As I attempted to explain, the comment was not at Wandering Traveler. I have no problem with bringing the incident back to the noticeboard. I just didn't want to see it, or future incidents, devolve back into what had just been archived, particularly with Salome's comment.
 * I do not bring up banning lightly. The admin noticeboard is an incredibly useful tool for getting information to admins about problems that need admin attention, and I don't want to see that purpose lost. While extra background information is appreciated and the occasional extraneous comment isn't a problem, something needs to be done when admin responses get lost amidst pagefuls of users fighting amongst themselves. I truly do appreciate everyone who goes to the noticeboard to help the admin team. Being a sysop would be a lot harder without you, but when the noticeboard becomes a free-for-all debate/argument, it stops being helpful. If the only way to keep that from happening is to hand out blocks, it is far from my first choice, and I honestly hope it doesn't come to that, but yes, I will hand out blocks.
 * While I'm ranting anyway, I also resent a few implications that were made that the admins "can't decide" what to do just because we decided not to block someone, and a few users "suggesting" or outright telling the sysops whether or not and how long to ban someone (the backseat sysopping I referred to). If someone feels they know better than the current sysops regarding those decisions, they should really put up an RFA themselves. In the meantime, individual punishments cannot and should not be determined by committee.
 * Shadowphoenix, if despite this explanation you believe I'm unfit as a sysop, you (or anyone) are welcome to call for my reconfirmation. - Tanetris 21:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you were to block someone for that then yes I would call for your reconfirmation, but other than that I see no reason to. --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19x19px]] 21:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies about that, that should probably be directed at me. I'm the one that kinda fueled the fire there. Its easy to get carried away >.<. I'll try to shut up about things like that. Thank you for the warning (on both Shadowsin and myself). --[[Image:User-Wandering Traveler Sig.png]] Wandering Traveler 21:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems to vaguely parallel my comments last night - in that it turned into drama and arguing. Your posts were, imho, fine, as you were posting a concern or clarifying content/intent.  Its everyone else who had to jump in with their two cents - including me, though I was just telling everyone to not post (clearly contradicting myself, but what can you do?).  Anyway, case closed, I think everyone got the point.
 * PS: Should we add a record for Shadowphoenix for 'regularly posting the most lengthy section titles possible'? :D - T HARKUN [[Image:User_Tharkun_sig.png|16px]] 21:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Tanetris could ban half the wiki and I would still support him. -- scourge  22:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I see no issue in short-term blocks for impeding the admin noticeboard, if other solutions fail to work. &mdash;Tanaric 21:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

posts on admin noticeboard
Sorry, I'm medicated up to the nines at the moment with a flu and my thoughts are all muffley. When I saw the posts from Aiiane, i just hit edit and asked as was trying to get clarification on the whole usernames which sound alot like a sysop/admin thing, however then I worked it out and thus my retraction from the question. It was only after all this that i was like "bugger, shouldn't have asked any of that on the admin page.". My sincerest apologies, stupid meds making me less than bright today. It wont happen again. Also if you want to make an example out of me and ban me for the infraction. I will understand and will harbor no hard feelings, as i shouldn't have used the admin page to ask questions. Warmest regards -- Salome 20:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Elections
A few quick questions before the elections get here (I am going to try to ask each sysop and users, who imo deserve it, these questions):
 * 1) If you were nominated would you accept?
 * 2) If so, Do you believe that you would make a good bcrat?
 * 3) Would you be able to make wise choices when it comes to selecting administrators?
 * 4) Would you be sure to explain your actions when using your powers as a bcrat?
 * 5) Would you wear you status as a bcrat as a badge?
 * 6) Would you consider policy before taking any and all actions?
 * 7) How do feel towards our wikis community?

That should be enough. Thanks! -- Shadowphoenix   21:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A few quick answers, then: Not sure yet. Probably. That would be the goal. When needed. I don't know what this means. I generally do. I'm pretty fond of it. - Tanetris 21:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I nominated you, so figure out #1. :) &mdash;Tanaric 06:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ryudo
While I agree what he said was not constructive, I think a 3 day ban was a bit unfair. Possibly shorter, but I think 3 days is a bit to much :P. Not questioning you or anything, just stating my opinion on it. :) -- Shadowphoenix   22:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's perfectly fair, I asked him to stop trolling at least once. Just because he didn't think it was trolling doesn't mean it wasn't. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not say he was not trolling (because he was) but I don't think what he did deserved 3 days imho. :) -- Shadowphoenix   [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19x19px]] 22:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 days to 1 week is pretty much the standard ban length, aside from users who have repeatedly been blocked before and not gotten the point. Anything less than 3 days I would consider a "warning shot", which I decided against given that a number of people, including sysops and a bcrat, had asked him to stop with no effect. Also, and I apologize if this sounds harsh, but please note that while I am happy to explain my actions as a sysop, bans are not performed by committee. Banning for 3 days was my decision that I feel is fair based on the situation, and I am unlikely to change my mind unless the situation changes, or I am presented with information I did not know about the situation. - Tanetris 00:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

A rant
This is for anyone who happens to read my page who cares to read it. It is not directed at any specific person or group of people, nor is it in relation to a specific conversation, so I'm putting it in my own space rather than some tangentally-related other talk page.

I keep hearing people refer to Auron as the posterboy for double-standards. "No one bans Auron because the sysops like him," I hear. "If User:Example gets banned for this, Auron should get banned." "Why isn't anyone banning Auron?" "Auron's a doodie-head!" and so on. To be clear, that last one is technically NPA. Anyway, the reason Auron doesn't get banned has nothing to do with liking him. If you haven't noticed, he has a pretty abrasive personality: not everyone likes him!

Auron treads a fine line, sometimes a VERY fine line, with his comments. Most of his comments, while offensive and rude, are rarely actual NPA. Obviously, sysops don't ban just based on NPA. You can avoid technical NPA and still earn yourself a ban. So why doesn't that happen to Auron? This is a very important part: When Auron is asked to stop, he stops. Try it sometime. When Auron's being a troll, instead of responding in kind, just ask him to stop. I think you'll be surprised by the results. All the bans that are getting cries of foul play and unfairness and double-standards? They didn't stop despite repeated requests and warnings. That right there is the difference. Stopping when asked isn't a get out of block free card for all behavior, but for borderline cases like Auron and Ryudo and J.Kougar (borderline before he started evading bans, that is), it's a large factor in how I, and I think other sysops, use our discretion. - Tanetris 23:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * definitely! poke | talk 23:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So many people fail to notice the small things. Well said, Tane. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 23:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * camels --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 23:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * More camels. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 23:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * iawtc. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 23:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * /me votes for a big red and shiny "STOP" button on Auron's page. (And everyone pressing it should be rickroll'd of course.) (And I don't know if it matters, but: well said Tanetris.) -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 23:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, someone actually explained it (at least on the terms that I could understand it lol). You really changed my aspect on that Tanetris (I am serious guys i'm not joking), thank you for explaining in full detail.  Well played, and thus accepted by me :)  -- Shadowphoenix   [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19x19px]] 23:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Bans are not intended to be punitive. They're preventive. So for the most part, if people stop when asked, there's no need to prevent them from continuing (via banning), because they've already stopped.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 00:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting point. You're right if yoou assume blocks are preventative. But some clearly belive in punative blocks, perhaps for moralistic reasons, perhaps as an deterrance. That'd explain why some find it obvious that there is no need to block Auron, while others can't understand why he is spared an 'obviously' deserved ban. Backsword 04:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Quite honestly, this embodies a bigger concept: respect. Obviously, no one can please everyone all of the time. Nor can we know ahead of time what might bother someone. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to adjust our actions within reason to minimize the imposition upon others of our actions. Being able to respect the requests of others to cease an activity if it's providing unnecessary trouble is a basic element of that. "Assuming good faith" is another aspect of respect. They're all things that can't really be legislated, but are still key to maintaining a good environment for constructive contributions. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well said. But personally? I tend against banning Auron because he's "the demoter". -- Armond Warblade 05:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oktoberfest
LOL, at times i read the things you write and i end up just thinking "Bugger, why couldn't I have said that?". Very well said and thanks, although I am all envious that I didn't phrase my response in the same manner. :) -- Salome 19:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)