ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback/Dervish/Avatar of Grenth

Not really a balance change, more of a bug, but it's true. Avatar of Grenth still allows you to use Order of the Vampire for example.

AoG does need a buff. Unblockable against enchanted foes is kinda useless considering guardian and SoD are the only skills used in GvG. How about if this avatar ignores the effects of enchantments on the target? prokiller88 14:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The unblockable is IMO useful, but slightly unreliable since every now and then you come up against a ranger or something with a blocking stance (and no enchants). Also the cold damage can be seen as a pro or a con, but it needs to be changed (I'm probably not the only one who's tried a Conjure Frost build or somesuch, lol). I quite like the lifesteal effect, since it would be very useful but provided the numbers are quite small it wouldn't be OP (think of it like a free vampiric weapon or something), though there might potentially be problems with faster weapons (*cough* daggers), which is why they give a smaller health gain with vampiric mods. Well, whatever.

After the fix
This skill is still a disgrace to the people who spent so much time building a form for it. Forms are meant to be powerful, and this just doesn't cut it. This skill is currently an insult to the designers of the form and should DEFINITELY receive a PvP/PvE split. I know you're busy, Izzy, but this has gone on too long. Karate Jesus. 75.61.32.166 20:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the buff izzy. It's pretty much exactly what I wanted. Karate Jesus. 24.26.253.105 15:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I too like the update, but why not add the lifesteal for pvp? It is low enough (20 at 15 mysticism) to not be overpowered, and is still completely a waste in high-end pvp as is
 * Because +13 Conjure frost + 11 Strength of Honor + 20 life steal + 5 Vampiric weapon = +49 damage per attack = 120+ damage basic attacks.--66.192.104.13 18:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)