Talk:Ascalon census

Date of census
Just curious, does the census takes place right after the searing (that is, right after zoning in post-ascalon for the first time), or takes in account events that may happend while on Prophecies missions, or while exploring other regions? (main concerns are spoilerific Rurik, shady Osric, and Gwen). --Fighterdoken 18:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just considering that. My intention was to compile the list as if it was right after the searing, but then Gwen would be missing, and not a hero. So the year would probably have to be the present day from the EoTN point of view. This would definitely introduce spoilers, so I'll need to add that template. However, maybe I should list the year they were deceased, then people like Prince Rurik would also be accounted for properly. LeFick 19:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

On my adds, I did it from EoTN present day perspective.--Alair Faellandor 13:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Due to the date given in the title of the article I would assume it to be right after the searing which would leave Rurik as alive and Gwen missing (or a new catogory, she's missing at that point but found later) and I don't know about Gaban as I can't find when the quest he seemingly dies in is, this article should probably be changed to either show as in 1072AE or have the year removed from the title. I also think someone should decide what would count as a significant change (several henchmen are "changed" others just alive. Etienne 02:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Status

 * Ascalon City - Not complete
 * Ashford Abbey - Not complete
 * Foible's Fair -Not complete, merchant missing
 * Fort Ranik - Not complete
 * The Barradin Estate - Not complete, merchant missing
 * Green Hills Country - Complete?
 * Lakeside Country - Not complete, Marshall Richards, Trina Yunn, Wilton Payce & Price Rurik missing
 * Regent Valley - Not complete, collectors, merchant, Jarrel the Trainer, Mary Malone, Neihl, Senssa, Benton, Bruse & Dannel missing
 * The Catacombs - Not complete, collectors missing
 * The Northlands - Not complete
 * Wizard's Folly - Not complete, collectors & merchant missing

A list to keep track of who needs adding. Note that missing above means missing from the list. --CJNyfalt 04:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I've now added everyone in pre.LeFick 00:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What about Bryan in Bukdek Byway?
 * Yep add him and any others you know about...LeFick 02:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it safe to assume Gate Guard Torin later becomes Torin the bandit? I'll add it for now anyways - 79.76.69.19 20:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But since when we find him in-game he's still alive, I think he should be classified as changed, rather than deceased.--Pyron Sy 21:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to ask. Admittedly I have not done all the Titan quests in prophecies, but I don't recall Adelbern ever moving to Droknar's Forge. Only king there that I recall is King Jalis.Guildwarsrunner 05:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I don't think he ever did. The quests actually feature him helping you fight the titans, fyi. Mango 22:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The word "residence" is not best one here but the orginial author chose it. Basically he meant the last place you see the NPC according to the storyline.  We last see the King in Droknar's Forge (as an explorable area) congratulating us for our victory over the Lich but technically Titan Quests happened after the defeat of Lich so... I'm updating it to Eastern Frontier where he was for the Last Day Dawns quest – [[Image:User Barinthus Magical Compass.png|19px]]  Barinthus  04:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Joe
I want to add him. He is a Devourer Egg in Pre (you give it to Mac and he immediately calls it Joe in The Rogue's Replacement), and grows up to be Old Mac's pet after the Searing, we see him in the Breach and again outside of Beacon's. He also accompanies Mac in the end-game Drok's area and in the Norn Tournament. So his location would be "Travels." He's not human, but he's part of the story, nonetheless... And I like him. Rose Of Kali 05:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. He is present in both Pre and Post, albeit in different forms. And this list isn't limited to human NPCs, Yakkington is in it too. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 09:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Odd
If you go through most of the people missing look kinda alive O.o
 * Well, in pre they do, but in post, we never see them, so how can we be sure they are alive? We can't, hence "missing." -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 09:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: By looking at the history, it looks as though you assume same-skin=same NPC. This is incorrect, many NPCs share the same skin. So we see many new people in post that we didn't in pre. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 09:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Althia
She appears once in pre and twice in post - in corporal (albeit singed) and spiritual form... And yet not on the list...?--Son of Batman 14:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - just realised... LADY Althia--Son of Batman 14:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Move
makes sense to me, any objections? &mdash; Why 21:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the points made in the move suggestion make perfect sense. No objections from me.  --Rainith 21:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the problem becomes there is an article called Ascalon Census. It's an actual item in the game related to a quest from early Ascalon. All capitalised variations of "Ascalon census" will need to redirect to that page. If any move could be made this page could be renamed "Ascalon census (present day)" or something to give a more obvious reference to users what this page is. Most people don't know the current year in Tyrian terms. 122.105.106.192 05:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation tags would do the same without being annoying titled. -- Konig / talk 05:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Countess Nadya
Do we add her to this page? –   Barinthus  03:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)