Talk:Storybook

Having experimented a little, I conclude the following, more corroboration would be good.

If you do one of the storybook missions, then go to the purveyor of books and get the corresponding book, you can have him fill in the missons you have done for a fee. So I think that we all just need to keep track of which missions we have completed, and just get the storybooks when they can be filled, ie all missions completed. This removes any storage issues.

Now that I think on this more, I will delete a partially filled storybook, get a new one and ensure that the above still applies.

Multiples?
After turning in a completed book, is it possible to get another book, then do the missions again, and get another xp/platinum reward? 76.30.79.54 05:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess what, the answer is YES! I just cashed in another 8 platinum and 80000xp turning my second Flameseeker Prophecies (of course, after running through the 18 missions, but they're not that hard). 76.30.79.54 03:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

how do you get the books?

Normal mode cut off point?
is there a normal mode cut off point for the non gwen and nightfall books? ie "Once you have achieved rank 8 in the title track for a particular faction you may no longer turn in normal mode books to that faction and you may not request normal mode books from them"???75.165.125.117 05:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "Once you have achieved rank 8 for the Sunspear title track or rank 5 for the Lightbringer title track, you may no longer turn in normal mode books to that faction and you may not request normal mode books from them either."


 * so by that or after those ranks they wont take the normal mode books. 12.77.27.7 14:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Bug with buying pages?
A couple discussion pages for individual books seems to indicate that the ability to buy pages for books is bugged. I see that, aside from people who had problems with books that have Normal Mode cutoffs, there appears to be a problem where a player completes a mission or dungeon and then cannot buy the corresponding page to fill their book. I have actually had this happen several times, and I noticed that if I completed any mission or dungeon with another human player, I could never buy the book page for these activities.

This has happened with the Master Dungeon Guide (5 dungeons) and the Hero's Handbook (2 missions) and the Flameseeker Prophecies (2 missions) and Night Falls (1 mission). It did not matter if I was the party leader or not; any page from any book that I completed with another human player meant I was not able to buy that page for 100 gold to fill up my book that I always leave in storage. I do not have multiple book copies, and it's kind of obvious when you complete something and then unsuccessfully try to buy the page for it 10 minutes later that the page should have been available to buy. I have also tried to buy the pages hours or days after completing the mission or dungeon, and the game does not let me buy the page until I complete the objective again without any human teammates. I unfortunately had to beat the same dungeon 3 times before I figured out why I couldn't ever buy the page for it. The 4th time, with H/H only, it let me buy the page. Not fun!

This seems like something it might be important for players to know, and something important for ANet to fix. Would anyone care to test and/or report this bug? The more bug reports, the better! Having a bug notation on the book pages would be helpful as well, but it seems as though nobody has determined the bug exists for sure, and I don't want to get banned for putting up any sort of bug notes without a consensus. (Posted 23:15, 4 May 2009)


 * I had the same problem, and it appeared to be related to partnering up with another human player for me, as well. However, I also have the problem occur when I complete a mission by myself with only heroes/henches in the party, so completing missions with another human isn't the only thing that seems to cause the problem.  I noticed User_talk:Linsey_Murdock/Questions21 on Linsey's (ANet) talk page:
 * Just spoke with Joe about this and here is what I have found out. If you do not do ANY mission in that campaign for a month, it will reset. So if you go do Arborstone without your book and then not play for 2 months, you won't be able to fill that page retroactively. If you did Arborstone without your book and then did Unwaking Waters 3 weeks later, you should be fine for another month. Basically, it would behoove you to get those pages filled as soon as possible after doing the mission just to be on the safe side. - Linsey talk 00:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Since I do not get to play very often, and when I do play I don't always do a mission, I'm betting this explanation from Linsey is the solution to the problem. She says "If you don't do a mission in that campaign for a month" which would also explain most of my problem, since I'll usually do a couple missions in one campaign, get tired of it, and go do a couple missions in another campaign.  Bummer!  I suppose you can go to ArenaNet_talk:Miscellaneous_bugs and and ask nicely to see if they could lengthen or eliminate the time before your page-buying ability expires.


 * I do think we should tag the storybook articles with bug/anomaly/imporant note about the expiration time for being able to purchase a storybook page. Most people won't find the link to Linsey's page detailing the time limit, especially with it in the archive, and the miscellaneous bug list is something that the average player probably won't think to look at either.  Unless someone objects to it, if nobody has put a notation on the storybook articles within a week, I'll make the notation on the articles.Undead minion 23:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

O_O
How many of these bloody things do I have to carry!? I've got 12 char slots, I don't have room for these in the bank. ~_~ - B ex  06:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't have to carry anything. They're turned in for experience, gold and sometimes faction points, all three of which are totally optional.216.185.250.92 07:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Moving/splitting the content
Well, to separate the info about the item itself and the story (both to avoid spoilers at the beginning and too long page) I think all the books text as seen in-game should be moved into separate page ( /Content) just like Golem User Manual and Zho's Journal. Comments welcome :). —Faalagorn☎/✓ 01:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC).

Retroactive page note
The note listed in [this edit] is fine the way it is. I'm very disappointed that this revert war has gone on with ZERO discussion here on this talk page. -- Wyn  talk  06:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The revert war
Stop it. Anyone who continues to violate Guild Wars Wiki:One-revert rule is likely to be blocked. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah, I think it was hilarious. Those guys made my day. - Reanimated X 09:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Dispute tag
Is this really necessary? This version:


 * (Emphasis mine)

doesn't reflect what Joe himself says on this page, because if it did, that would mean that The Great Northern Wall mission would reset the counter on The Flameseeker Prophecies, which it doesn't.

Joe says here:


 * (Emphasis mine)

The current version, however, accurately reflects this and therefore it shouldn't need a disputed tag because one person doesn't understand this. I suppose we can leave this until Joe gives us a clear(?) answer, but it just seems like a waste of a dev's time considering he's already clarified once. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 09:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, The Great Northern Wall Mission is not in the Flameseeker Prophecies. I don't see how you think that it would reset the counter on that other book. The Only missions to reset counters are the missions in their own books. Current Note doesn't clarify this nor reflect it. So it's obvious that the counter, books, etc. are not clear to you all. I know, I've done the books, etc. many times. I did the Wall when I had Flameseeker. I do see a reason for the disputed tag, because of this. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He doesn't Ari, he's saying that it's not just any mission from the same campaign that resets the 30 day timer, it has to be a mission that is contained within the specific book. Which by the way, is exactly what the current note says, which is why I stated earlier, it needs no further revision. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  11:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ":Sigh, All it clarifies in that quote is to visit the Npc per that campaign, Per that book. A separate Note should be for the Young Heros in that If you want, for example, Sunspear points. Turn it in nightfalls, or go to any of the three campaigns for points on that one. You should be able to go to any campaign for that book, the other three books are per campaign. Hence where the first 'quote' fits. He's just talking about the Young Heros book, not the Other three that you all are confusing with this one. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, there's nothing special about the Young Heroes of Tyria book. The current note reflects that doing Zen Daijun, Chahbek Village, The Great Northern Wall, etc. will reset the timer for that book, doing Sanctum Cay will reset the timer for Flameseeker Prophecies, and so on and so forth. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 11:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the current note reflecting that. Of course someone might ask this "It hasn't been thirty days, I can't get my book filled, but I have the money. why?" Also, The grammar in that note is extremely long and reflects of how poorly written it is. I'd suggest more periods and full 'Complete' sentences or to shorten it. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The grammar is fine, and it doesn't need more periods. Every sentence in the note is complete; there are no fragments. And personally, the sentence isn't that poorly written. The only one 'confused' here is you. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 11:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To the English Language, it is. The first sentence is extremely long. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

And I'm telling you that, as a native speaker of English and a linguist (all certified and everything), that it's fine. Regardless, the consensus (and logic) seem to say that the current version is correct. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 11:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC) one extremely long sentence is fine. Instead of.... If you do not have a storybook in your inventory, when completing a mission, you can still receive credit; when you visit the associated NPC, within 30 days of completing one of the missions listed in that book. -- riyen ♥  11:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC) and here's the suggestion from this person. "If you do not have the relevant storybook in your inventory when you complete a mission you may still receive credit for it as long as you complete another mission from the book or visit the associacted NPC within 30 days. The NPC will charge 100 for each page that they complete for you." My quotes are from Misery. -- riyen ♥  12:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So having this "If you do not have a storybook in your inventory when completing a mission, you can still receive credit if you visit the associated NPC within 30 days of completing one of the missions listed in that book."
 * There is no need to micro edit this. Leave it be. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  11:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many people are not going to waste their time reading that extremely long sentence and screw up, because of it. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I am saying it's not fine and needs shortened or better English. I have had Courses in Writing and Composition for my Major. I may not type perfectly, but I type with my mind and I don't 'proof read' my own personal sayings to match what it should be. I don't see the need in that. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 11:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you had courses in writing and composition, your posts should reflect that naturally. Fact is, you don't, you have difficulty understanding simple sentences that people are telling you. You are really the only one who doesn't understand the note even though it's so clear and simple. Pika Fan 12:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's get someone who's majored in English on this then. Preferably who speaks it fluently and knows it well to settle the sentence dispute. Preferably someone who's studied it the most? -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥  12:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you are just nitpicking and finding fault with something that disagrees with only you, and you know it. And it's not like said certified linguist didn't speak up about it, refer to what Kokuou said. Pika Fan 12:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever, Kid. Look. I'm not going with some Multilingual person, who really doesn't know that well in the English Language. To know, when sentences are too long. That's it. No NPAing about it. This can only be settled if we had someone reword the sentence to shorten that little line, yet stay with what Joe said. No Problem. You're the one who is now keeping this into a problem. I've stated a solution that can end it. Problem solved as others you bring up, are solved. Another is being solved as well too. Not to mention, isn't it sad when you can't leave the Past alone? -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 12:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "Current wording suggests that you could do a quest, wait 60 days, do a quest, wait 15 days and get credit for both"
 * Lol, just because someone is multilingual it doesn't automatically disqualifies him or her as an expert on any language, especially when said person shows proficiency of the language in his/her posts. And you decided you could start calling people "kid" after you tell them not to NPA, ironic really. The wording is fine, everyone is fine with it, only you disagree because your english is just not up to par with the rest of the wiki. The reason why I brought up those past incidents is because you are repeating your inability to respect the wiki's consensus. I really don't care if Wyn bans me for saying this, it's the truth and many other users feel the same way. You might also want to reconsult Misery regarding his most updated stance of the issue.Pika Fan 12:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I did. Here, I'll quote what I was told "Current wording suggests that you could do a quest, wait 60 days, do a quest, wait 15 days and get credit for both - can I quote this? I won't quote that it's you Misery says: So perhaps a reword to something like "If you do not have the relevant storybook in your inventory when you complete a mission you may still receive credit for it as long as you complete another mission from the book or visit the associacted NPC within 30 days. The NPC will charge 100 for each page that they complete for you. You can quote it, you can say I said it if you want as well, don't really mind But, my reword is EVEN LONGER small note, should say "The NPC", not "The NPCs", as only one NPC charges you at a time and only one was mentioned in the previous sentence"

End of Big Quote. I can say, that sentence said, makes more sense. Secondly, I didn't tell anyone not to NPA in my last msg. You just Misread again. As usual, anyway, so there's my proof. -- riyen ♥  13:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You are hilarious Ariyen : Whatever, Kid. Look. I'm not going with some Multilingual person, who really doesn't know that well in the English Language. To know, when sentences are too long. That's it. No NPAing about it. Pika Fan 13:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So I would just like to clarify, Ariyen, as your argument seems to have evolved away from it's initial basis. From the notes you are now proposing ("complete another mission from the book"), I believe we are all in agreement that the 30 reset applies to each book separately, and only completing a mission in that book will reset the counter. I.E. Completing The Northern Great Wall resets the 30 day counter for The Young Heroes of Tyria (but not any other book), and completing Sanctum Cay resets the 30 day counter for The Flameseeker Prophecies (but not any other book). The current issue is no longer a question of "campaign" vs. "book" but rather the clarification of the 30 day reset. As such, I do not believe it is necessary to re-involve Joe on an issue he has already addressed. Finally, after re-reading the note, I understand the current miscommunication and will attempt to revise the note to remove ambiguity. However, if you guys decide my revision is unacceptable, I will revert it to its current state.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  19:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The note has been edited. If it is acceptable by all parties then we should remove the disputed tag as quickly as possible to reduce confusion.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  20:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It was more acceptable before you edited, and I think you should have waited before you made any changes. I do not see anywhere here where that wording was proposed and agreed upon. Now it is overly wordy. Please stop. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I will revert my own edit. Please see the history for my version of the note.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  20:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: Wynthyst decided to revert my edit before I had the chance. However, as per my initial comment on this talk page I still consider it my revert and thus not against him her for the one-revert rule.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  20:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * her -- Arduin [[Image:User_Arduin_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 20:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Something new to argue about? (Remove the "after the intro" note or keep it?)
I think this note should be removed. In order for this to be relevant to a player, they would have to: I doubt very much that all of these conditions apply to anyone. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 11:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * be playing GW for at least one year;
 * be completing at least one mission for the relevant book every 30 days (including the several months before the introduction of the z-mish);
 * never visit the relevant NPC to get their initial book...until now;
 * remember that they completed a mission 12 months ago for which they thought they would get credit.
 * I agree. With the new information about the time limits, it is clear that it is highly unlikely for this situation to apply. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 12:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  19:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Does it need to be in the same mode? Is the timer still reset when a page is filled out?
Does the mission / dungeon / repeatable primary quest need to be completed in the correct mode to reset a timer, or does completing a mission / dungeon / RPQ in either mode reset both the normal mode and hard mode timers? Also, if completing a mission / dungeon / RPG causes a page to be filled out, is the timer still reset? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You already asked Joe for the answer, but I'd say it has to be the correct mode, since there are separate books (and thus, separate data points to check for expiration). Not sure on the second point, but based on Joe's previous answer, I'd say the timer was reset. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So, there are two interesting possibilities:
 * You have to do a mish in the exact same book within 30 days OR
 * You can get away with something slightly more complicated (e.g. HM helps NM books, HM Fort Ranik helps Flame Prophecies, ...)
 * While the latter might be true, I'm not sure that we benefit by knowing; I'm not sure that wiki readers benefit from trying to understand the nuances. As long as peeps see the NPCs every 30 days &mdash; no problem. As long as they do a mish in exact same book/mode/etc &mdash; no problem. Anything else...well, how many people is that going to impact? Seems like we could spend our energies (and Joe's) on something that might matter more. Or in short, I believe this is a matter where simplicity and utility are more important than absolute accuracy.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Joe's answered the question. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Thanks for pointing out that we have an official response.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 03:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

ok
if you get storybooks in advance like the nightfall ones if you excede the normal mode limit would they no longer take them?--User:Ickoization 21:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC) im sorry it had been answered b4 :P--User:Ickoization 21:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)