Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2008-08 bureaucrat election/Defiant Elements

You just never give up, do you? ;) Much wub. - anja   20:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

DE for gold &mdash;  Skakid  01:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * +1 --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:86.138.74.235 (talk).

Confrontations.
In making a proper decision about my favourite candidate I have been navigating around in recent history of the GWW. This has made me formulate the following question: What do you (candidate) think a bureaucrat should have as a main human attribute in means of solving/avoiding confrontations on a wiki? -- Silverleaf   09:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Common sense, level-headedness, impartiality, and patience. [[Image:User Defiant Elements Sig Image.JPG|19x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  03:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you fail in the past & regret? What would prevent that from happening in the future? -- Silverleaf  [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png|User_talk:Silverleaf]] 08:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I 'spose I can think of a coupla instances in which I've become embroiled in a confrontation, but I don't have any regrets, and I certainly can't think of an instance in which I was responsible for the escalation of a confrontation in which I was not involved... conflict is inevitable on wikis. As to "prevent[ing] that from happening in the future," I'm not quite sure what to say; I pride myself on having common sense, impartiality, and patience, and on being level-headed, but your question seems to assume that there is something I (or anyone) could do or some trait which I (or anyone) could have that could prevent conflict and confrontation.  Since no such thing exists, I suppose the only honest answer I can give you is: absolutely nothing.  [[Image:User Defiant Elements Sig Image.JPG|19x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  06:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * DE for gold 86.162.85.97 14:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Although he virtually never talks to me anymore, and doesn't even play Guild Wars, (which makes me question why he cares about the position at all; especially since he has a wife now), he is an intelligent guy who would make an excellent addition to the admin team. -- Readem 01:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Elitism
He runs PvX wiki with tendencies to lean towards a dictatorship. DE comes from a group of people who think highly of themselves and dismiss others because of that. Part of impartiality has to do with separating your idea of your own superiority (and in doing so the belief that your logic is superior) and understanding the point of view of others. Elitism is not in the spirit of GWW. 122.104.161.96 10:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Show me a single place where he ignored an opinion because he thought he was awesome, instead of ignoring it because it sucked/was wrong/was uneducated. - Auron 11:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That attitude might be what the IP was talking about. While an idea might be stupid (E.g. "Put elves in GW2!!!"), a simple explanation can settle the matter while still being civil (E.g. "We're not WoW, and we have the Silvari").  --JonTheMon 12:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it the job of a bureaucrat to explain why putting elves in GW2 (or any similar suggestion) is a stupid idea? They're arbitrators who are knowledgeable on policy, not full-on sysops or part of the GWW:HELPERS program. Their job isn't one that entails giving general advice. In Arbcomms, they look at evidence and make a decision. They aren't going to take stupid suggestions for punishment, nor are they required to explain why they didn't take a stupid suggestion. In RfAs, they just look to see if a candidate has a decent amount more support than opposition, and promote. An elitist wouldn't be any worse at that job than someone who isn't. - Auron 12:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Elitism is not in the spirit of GWW, but a bureaucrat is not representative of GWW either. If you look at most of DE's comments, I don't think you can honestly claim that he does not attempt to explain his stand/reasoning/point when disagreeing with another. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)