Talk:Daily activities

Are the dates correct?
Um... Aren't the dates for the table ahead by a day? I mean today is the 14th and yet it lists today as the 15th. I assume that we are going off of PST since the majority of A-net's events are held in that zone and all.-MentaLNight 03:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * On the wiki we actually always list UTC times. The thing which is a problem here is that the date changes dynamically. So the same quest combination can be displayed with 14th and later 15th. Previously we only listed the day, the quest was activated (here: 14th). I'll try to think of something to make that working here, the problem is just that the Sandford items change to a different time than the quests.. But I'll think of a solution. poke | talk 13:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it seems a day ahead using UTC so it's wrong 78.105.242.214 20:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * idk, but I love the 3 day preview thing, makes looking for z quests so much easier than to the z quest page, than down to previews. I say good job to whoever made this page. 67.248.210.31 02:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The dates on this page also do not match the dates on Zaishen_Challenge_Quest. Its confusing when you click the "more predictions" link, and all of a sudden the dates shift by a day, including the bolded "todays quest".  If the Sanford changes are the issue, then I would put them in separate tables.  Right now its easy to assume they change at the same time using this table. Nietzsche 17:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposal: link the wanted links to the "wanted: xyz" pages instead only to the "xyz" pages (like on the main "wanted by the ..." page). At least I'm mainly interested in the rewards and that's what I only get on the "wanted: xyz" pages. &mdash; The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.161.35.123 (talk) at 21:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh, my bad, that was not how it should be, fixed. poke | talk 06:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the Nicholas ones are still off by a day. His do not change at noon. I'm not sure but think they change at midnight Pacific Time. I think that the Nicholas schedule needs to be removed from this grid as it is very confusing. You also need to unlink this incorrect list from his page. Darcy 12:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If fixed, it is fine on this page. a day is a day, it doesn't care if Nicholas changes the item in the morning, while other changes are afternoon. btw the Main Page is ok, so it should be only a minor part to fix. imho Pino 15:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, it's really easy to criticize when you're not doing any of the work. - - Reanimated X 16:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If no one pointed out errors, this whole site would be a mess. Everyone's job is too make sure all info is accurate.  That doesn't mean that I (or other "complainers") don't appreciate the hard work done. Darcy 13:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's still messed up. I checked this page at 7:00AM PST on August 21st, and it said that the August 20th Zaishen Stuff was Blood Washes Blood, Arachni, and Alliance Battles. This was correct. I had written down that these activities were scheduled for August 21st, because when I looked at the page earlier in the week, that's what it had told me. I played the game for a couple hours, and then I decided to fix my cell phone calendar schedule of Zaishen Stuff, so I checked this page again. At 8:45AM PST on August 21st, the page said that the *August 21st* Zaishen Stuff was Blood Washes Blood, Arachni, and Alliance Battles. That is wrong!! I refreshed the page again after 10:00AM PST on August 21st, and then it showed that the August 21st Zaishen Stuff is Bloodstone Fen, The Four Horsemen, and Guild Versus Guild, which was correct again. Depending on when you look at the page, it is STILL telling people the wrong date of the Zaishen Stuff. :(

If the problems are caused by the page rolling over the "day" multiple times per day, based on when certain bounties change, perhaps the quest table itself could be left alone, and another "table" created at the top of the page that says "the current activities are:" and have that area dynamically refresh? That way the quest table would always show an accurate list of which calendar date the activites will occur, and the "current activities" section would refresh itself as the bounties and quests change at their various times. Would that take care of things? Undead minion 16:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You spend too much item looking at wiki and also why don't you try and look at the date below it instead of thinking the dates should be perfect for you.--The Emmisary 17:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the point of having a list of stuff, and the dates on which the stuff occurs, if the dates are wrong?? The only reason I checked it that many times this morning was to gather details and pass them on to whoever knows how to modify the updating function to fix the problem. Since the table is problematic despite being fixed at least once, I suggested an alternative that may be easier to implement.  Enjoy your malfunctioning table.Undead minion 05:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Minion: thanks for taking the time to check. Not sure what the solution is going to be, but it's good to have the facts before figuring out next steps. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I corrected the problem Minion reported. The zquests are now being displayed in a row with the correct date at all times. I did this by changing the zquest cycle templates so that this page changes every day at 0:00 UTC. I didn't modify the time at which the dates change, so this still happens at 0:00 UTC. As long as the date column and the zquest column both change at the same time, the zquests will always be shown next to the correct date. Note that the line in bold will be the line with today's date, based on UTC. This line will have the zquests that will start being offered today at 12:00 PST. No one has yet programmed a way to make today's quest become bold at 12:00 PST while having the page show the dates on the same row as the corresponding quests. I didn't change the Sanford column nor the Wanted column. Are they currently being shown in the same row as the day they start, UTC? --War_Pig5 09:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My change was reverted. It prevented the correct current zquests from being displayed on the main page. This table is back to showing the incorrect date next to each zquest between 0:00 UTC and 12:00 PST. --War_Pig5 11:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now it should be working perfectly thanks to Ebany's additional changes. I'm gonna go apply them to Zquest article, too. --War_Pig5 11:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I suggest a solution: change the time on this wiki from UTC to PST. If the admin(s) refuse to do that, then change back to the old, static list that does not automatically update to the wrong dates--24.45.47.32 03:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Pogahn Passage is missing
One of my characters needs Pogahn Passage so I was checking to see if it was coming up as a z-mission. I can't find an entry for it on any of the prediction or history pages. Is it not part of the rotation for some reason or am I just not finding it? There are 69 missions across all the chapters, but I can only find 68 entries in the various lists. &mdash; The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarkusErronius (talk) at 20:16, 01 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Not part of the rotation cycle. Oh, and please sign your comments using 4 tildes (~), like this - ~ . - - Reanimated X 20:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's strange, but thanks for the info. Properly signed this time. :) MarkusErronius 00:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Date is right, but bolded one is wrong.
I'm here, looking at this page and on the main page, and it says that D'Alessio is the current ZM, but it is actually still Nahpui. Same for the other two quests as well. I'm going to make a copy of the page and then try to fix it in userspace, unless someone else can fix it first. &mdash; Ebany   09:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't do it; it uses plugins I'm not familiar enough with. &mdash;[[Image:User_Ebany_Salmonderiel_Cake.jpg|Cake!|19px]]  Ebany   09:38, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, done it, after a lot of breaking. Sorry >.< &mdash;[[Image:User_Ebany_Salmonderiel_Cake.jpg|Cake!|19px]]  Ebany   10:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I implemented a similar change on the page Zaishen Challenge Quest because it was exhibiting the same problem as this page was. Also, I foresee that the second "-16 hours" in each line may cause a problem because the Cycle templates already have a -16 hour offset hard-coded into them. If the dates and zquests become misaligned, then I recommend removing the the second "-16 hours" and seeing if that fixes it.--War_Pig5 13:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. Thanks for pointing that out!  The -16 hours was only meant to go in the dates themselves; I guess I did a bad regex replace.  &mdash;[[Image:User_Ebany_Salmonderiel_Cake.jpg|Cake!|19px]]  Ebany   13:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that in most cases when the current quests are wrong all you need to do is to purge the cache (press the UTC clock at the top). Please do that next time before going round all templates and try to fix everything. The cycle templates are hardly wrong because they are based on the same technique, Wikichu uses over at twitter, all that could be wrong is the displayed date next to it. So I'll just assume that the current page revision fixed that problem. poke | talk 14:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't that. The timestamps you had were wrong; I'd already purged.  It works now I changed the timestamps.  &mdash;[[Image:User_Ebany_Salmonderiel_Cake.jpg|Cake!|19px]]  Ebany   14:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For future reference, Poke's code was perfect. Someone else changed the timestamps, and I changed back badly :S  &mdash;[[Image:User_Ebany_Salmonderiel_Cake.jpg|Cake!|19px]]  Ebany   16:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The current rev does indeed fix the problem of the wrong dates being displayed next to each zquest at certain times. Someone will not touch the templates ever again unless the cycle resets. --War_Pig5 01:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Nicholas Sanford item is always a day off Ramei Arashi 15:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The date might be off given that Sandford's item changes at a different time than the quests, yet they are both “forced” into a single line. Plus the displayed date is based on the current time, so it is possible that the current date already advanced to the next day, while quests and/or item still remained the same. This is kind-of intentional and there is no real better solution to fix that (if you have one, just tell so). Nevertheless, the bolded line should always show the current quests/item and the +Nth line is always showing the quest/item that appears in +N days. poke | talk 21:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Sanford item is always listed with the previous day. Sorry I don't know how to fix that. I'm not a wiki tech. Ramei Arashi 15:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see my comment just above yours. poke | talk 18:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just added some code that should accomplish it. Btw: Extension:Loops could break this page down to something like 2kb... –aRTy 00:04, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * But it wouldn't reduce the actual page size; it would just reduce the code size, which isn't really an argument for the installation of a new (otherwise useless) extension. poke | talk 09:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In fact the sandford items are listed wrong, today the main page displays properly skulls as todays item but they are listed for the 3rd of march and the bold marker is on the 4th where there is seeds which is both wrong. why not linking the date to UTC? according to UTC it is friday the 4th and the item on the main page is correct so why not highlighting that one? or did somebody change the code again? ;) 109.130.50.168 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)]]
 * In fact the sandford items are listed wrong, today the main page displays properly skulls as todays item but they are listed for the 3rd of march and the bold marker is on the 4th where there is seeds which is both wrong. why not linking the date to UTC? according to UTC it is friday the 4th and the item on the main page is correct so why not highlighting that one? or did somebody change the code again? ;) 109.130.50.168 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)]]

Update broke the page?
It's March 3. There's been an update, and we have ZM = Augury Rock, not Riverside Province. Redhame 05:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Allegedly they've added Pogahn Passage to the ZM rota, and this has invalidated the current wiki predictions. I see we have a brand new Pogahn Passage (Zaishen quest) page here now to match. Morgaine 06:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, the change happened not on a ZM switchover boundary, but halfway through the day. One of my characters was lacking only Riverside Province for Legendary Guardian and I happened to get that ZM earlier in the day to kill two birds with one stone.  It surprised me when I saw it change to Augury Rock on the same day.  Some people who needed Riverside Province but live in a later timezone will have missed their chance in this round. Morgaine 06:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The second point is normal, it was always like that when they did something that reset the cycle. poke | talk 21:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

ZV
Is there going to be a column added for the daily Zaishen Vanquish? Thanks... --Fred5283 14:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and maybe Langmar's quests as well ? 84.101.140.84 19:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, apart from the errors (which will disappear over the next days/weeks), any idea what to do, to make this table smaller? Right now nearly every line has line breaks (1280px wide screen), and that definitely needs to be fixed.. I'm currently thinking about splitting pre- and post-searing related things, but some people might not be too happy about that.. (given that it is no longer the same single table); so any other ideas? poke | talk 21:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Zaishen and non-zaishen? --JonTheMon 21:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Others: Nick S, Vanguard, Weekend event, Nick Traveler
 * Zaishens: Zish, zombat, zounty, & Zanquish.


 * Works for me. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * PVE and PVP? (would only split zaishen combat but that should already do the trick)109.130.14.198 14:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)]]
 * I like the idea of splitting on pre/post, but Zaishen/non-zaishen works for me as well... I guess it comes down to what criteria things are grouped by;  pre/post seems sensible to me since being in pre is a very particular distinguishing feature.   OTOH, the zaishen rewards are quite specific, and common to all the Zs. Just my 0.02€ -- Splodge of Cat 08:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Is there a way to show postsearing activities only?
I think there should be a way for people to see just the postsearing activities (in addition to this page which shows everything).--24.45.47.32 18:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * See the very related discussion above. poke | talk 19:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is very simple to make copy of the list and select the columns, as I did on my talk page [ Pino 13:17, 12 March 2011 (UTC) ]

At what time do the daily activities change?
Just wondering... I never get it right. Is it at midnight? And if so, in what timezone? &mdash; The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esgeron (talk) at 18:05, 06 March 2011 (UTC).
 * The dates are UTC dates, and the listed quests are those that get published on that listed day; nevertheless the bold quests are always those that are available right now. poke | talk 21:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes ok UTC, but at what time do the quests and stuff get replaced? Is it at 00:00? At 18:00? Esgeron 19:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Most at 16 UTC; please refer to the actual quest type articles for information... poke | talk 20:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I see it now thank you. I then suggest that the Daily activities page should include the time in addition to the date! Since not all of them change at 16 UTC. Esgeron 18:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We do not know a way of adding the times without causing the table to have too much information such that it is difficult for many wiki users to read (due to line wrapping and other problems).--War_Pig5 20:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I've expanded the notes at the top to include the time changes (which are mostly the same; the exception is Nicky in pre). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Whether or not to merge this page with a page that doesn't work
My vote is that we don't merge this working page with any nonworking page. Furthermore I feel that the merge suggestion should be removed until such time as the other page works.--War_Pig5 20:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My vote is that you follow the link to the discussion and discuss it there. poke | talk 21:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Something odd about this page
Its 7:43 UTC, I'm standing in front of Nick. He's asking for Gargoyle Skulls. This page claims Unnatural Seeds, even after purge. I tried rezoning, just in case. Still off by one. Any ideas? 66.170.212.17 07:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's weird. Can you check next time what item is shown on the Main Page or Nicholas Sandford? poke | talk 15:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 15:17 UTC - Main and Sanford pages say (correctly) Gargoyle Skulls, this page still states Unnatural Seeds for March 13. I purged all 3 pages. Let's see what happens at 16:00 66.170.212.17 15:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay yes, I see the error and know why it happens.. It will be difficult to fix this though. Thank you for reporting the issue :) poke | talk 15:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I appreciate your tremendous work in this wiki. Cheers! 66.170.212.17 15:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha! The whole Sanford column just shifted by one day, correcting itself, presumably as of 16:00 UTC. Thar be some clever leprechauns at work. Yarr! 66.170.212.17 16:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The Leprechauns don't work for several hours while certain parts of the planet are switching to Daylight Savings Time. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

ICS
Someone really should set up some sort of ICS feed you can sync with for this. It's portable enough to go into any calendar. --20:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, will do when I'm bored.. poke | talk 21:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Are the times correct?
I've checked Nicholas item on main page and Daily activities at 06:59UTC and 07:01 UTC, purging Daily actvities cache both times : at 06:59 UTC, Daily activities is correct (Skeletal Limbs on both pages), but at 07:01UTC Main page displays Red Iris flowers (correct), and Daily activies says Charr carvings (tomorrow's item). I'm pretty sure both will be correct at 16:00UTC. I'll try to check and edit my contribution. Maybe +16 and +7 offsets are both applied? Edit : 16:18UTC both pages are correct 79.90.26.61 07:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's somewhat known, although I don't really have an idea to fix it yet; see two sections above this. poke | talk 14:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

space-saving ideas
Some space could be saved by shortening the "Wanted" title and changing the nick item to singular. Any thoughts on this or other ideas? I've been getting positive feedback on my efforts to reduce the amount of wasted space on this page.--War_Pig5 23:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reducing “Shining Blade” to “Wanted” won't help at all, as the header cell is not wider than the content (as such it doesn't matter). And changing quest or item names is not possible without affecting many other pages.. poke | talk 07:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That column was "Wanted by the Shining Blade" at the time I suggested changing it to "Wanted." TEF changed it to "Shining Blade" the next day. I did not suggest changing quest names. This page replaces the item names with plural item names. That replacement is done in this page's code (" ") not in the templates, so removing it has no effect on other pages. --War_Pig5 17:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I previewed removing the s from the pre-searing lines and (a) the shrinkage was tiny and (b) it didn't look right to me.


 * The other thing that could reduce the table width would be more difficult: using abbreviations for the longer boss names, e.g. Greves instead of Greves the Overtalkative. But that would take modifying how the data is stored and presented. I've done this for my personal tracking spreadsheets and the width-reduction is substantial. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry War Pig, totally didn't notice that o.O - Anyway, I plan to split the page into pre- and post-searing, as discussed above.. While that might not be the perfect solution (given that people might be interested in everything), it's still an actually working possibility.. poke | talk 19:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Has anyone already created a page of Daily poststearing activities? I want to create one in my userspace but I don't yet have the time. Also if it has already been done I don't want to duplicate work.--War_Pig5 21:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Check out User:Kirbman/Calendar (not exactly what you are looking for, but an excellent page nonetheless).


 * Also, from looking at what links to the templates you want, you can find...
 * User:Valshia/Sandbox, User:SilentStorm/Zest and, of course, User:War_Pig5/Daily_postsearing_activities
 * — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:08, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (Silent's page is no different than Zaishen Challenge Quest) poke | talk 07:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the WhatLinksHere tip; I'll check those dozens of results before I spend a lot of time making my Daily_postsearing_activities userpage into what its title says.--War_Pig5 02:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

mid-June
so were close to that mid june time table any idea as to when we can say thats back on track?- Zesbeer 20:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * We can probably remove the note now. We've gone through a full cycle since Augury Rock in March (when the latest cycle started); the mid-June was an extra cushion of time, in case it randomized again. Since it didn't, I think we are safe in our Mish predictions. (Thanks for spotting this, Zesbeer.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * no problem... i check this page reg just to see whats coming...-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Zaishen Vanquish cycle
With 136 total areas to vanquish, a full rotation should take approximately four and a half months, so prediction of quests starting from 17 July 2011 is not right and might be confusing. Egerius 15:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Zaishen Vanquish/cycles has 136 rows. The first day for potential repeats is 17 July. The top of Daily activities has a caveat that the predictions might not be fully confirmed until late July, a less specific date that allows time to watch the second cycle start and gives us a week to decide if it will follow the same pattern. (Arguably, it's probably enough to wait until 19 July, since it's very unlikely that the cycle will repeat three days but not the other 133.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanx for explanation. Egerius 16:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)