Talk:Black Moa Chick

Nesting Material Confusion
Most people probably know how it works by now but could something be added either here or on the Nesting Material page to make it explicitly clear that you CAN'T trade it between accounts but you CAN trade it between characters? I almost wasted a lot of time working my Proph character through NF just to get the nesting material, only to find out part way through that my NF could get it, put it in storage and my Proph character could take it out to add to the incubator kit. (I also got told all kinds of weird and wonderful things like the egg becomes customised after it's hardened, but most of those are clearly addressed on this page already.) 86.176.118.44 16:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Storage
If you transfer your incubator kit to another character standing in the Sorrow's Flame doesn't work. I made the whole kit on my warrior then transferred it to my necro as he has Final Assault. I went to the Flames and everyone else in my party got a Moa and I didn't. I think you have to go there on the character that assembled the kit.Lyra Valo 17:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you put the chick (minipet) itself in storage to give to other characters ?


 * Once the chick has hatched you can trade it among characters to your heart's content. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 17:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

question
isnt it possible giving only the herring or honeycomb for the mini to feed? Pijltje 11:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to put both in the Incubator. Now, I'm having a problem trying to craft a second Incubator! --Thervold 12:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * maybe its only one Moa Chick per char possible to acquire? Zerpha The Improver 15:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've tried to craft an incubator with four different characters now. Kathrine doesn't give the option to construct one anymore. --Thervold 16:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Katherine is looking for a customize Zho's Book to that character. That means you have to beat Zho in the tournament on each character you want the chick on. Are you trading the book around to other characters and trying to get the incubator kit that way? - [[Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpg]]Linsey talk 19:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy Ending
Well, I wonder if Linsey's happy the secret has been revealed :). Good job on making this scavenger hunt so fun :D 85.191.49.9 13:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * GW:EN has only been out for a short while, so for someone to have figured it out so soon the clues must be pretty obvious. Dancing Gnome 13:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It was a community effort. If only handed Zho's Journal (where the clues are), it left exact locations quite ambiguous. However, with the items appearing a week ago, they became noticed by cartographers. People posted them on the forums (and wiki), and not knowing their purpose, many of us gathered up the mysterious items, just waiting for the last key to the puzzle. Looking back, I wish I did not know about these items and was simply given to find the things via the Journal, as it would have been a lot more fun. I imagine if the items didn't appear in explorables until you had the Journal, it wouldn't have been solved so soon. I think Linsey did a fantastic job with this one, and I hope to see stuff like this in GW2. --Thervold 16:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Quest items useless?
This Moa Egg riddle was solved in a few days...i slowly doubt that you can do anything with the Gwen Quest items... Zerpha The Improver 15:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If by "Gwen Quest items" you are referring to the Tapestry Shred, you would be wrong, as you can do something with it. Of you are referring to something else, sorry to intrude. :P -- Alesain 23:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm lolz, didn't notice that these Items now also have a Quest^^ Should have waited a little longer I guess. :P Zerpha The Improver 21:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The tapestry shred has a use ;) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, i know^^ after over a year of waiting and desperately puzzling xD i'll now look through all this new gw:en gwen stuff first...looking for what the other items are for. Zerpha The Improver 21:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Have to get Zho's book?
Since the contents of Zho's book are listed, is the book actually required to be in your inventory in order to trigger the events that give you the chick or can I just collect the components listed in the book and this wiki and skip the book altogether? Jkyarr 17:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Katharine won't talk to you without it -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 17:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Women, huh? :P ₪₪ JOS ə PH ₪₪ 23:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I lol'd --Lou-Saydus[[image:User Lou-Saydus Hail Storm.jpg|19px]] 17:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Can confirm you do not need Zho's Journal after getting the Incubator Kit, as I got my BMC leaving it (Journal) in the safe keeping of the Xunlai :) josəph  23:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
IS incubator kit 100% needed?
 * Answer: Yes -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 11:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * unless you want to buy one from a player, for sure...but i think doing the quest is cooler :) Zerpha The Improver 21:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't buy incubators from another player, as only the customized user can hatch them. --Thervold 18:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. How do you get there from a Kurzick's point?
 * You Must help the luxons and the kurzicks for this mini pet ~Nelson (n122333)  [[Image:N122333sig image.jpg|19px]]

If you complete factions on kurzic and had already finished it as luxon how can the kurzic person get to the hatchery? ( were do you get stolen egg/ the one befor that quest...) im seriously stuck..i cant get into the gala hatchery i have not prim mmission quests anymore and the guy wnt let me in either...
 * You english is a little confusing but I think I understand. The incubator is from an NPC in the gyala hatchery explorable area, not the mission area, and therefore, you will need to enter from the Leviathan Pits outpost, not the Gyala Hatchery mission outpost. --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 13:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That said, here is quest information for Stolen Eggs, you will need to complete the pre-requisite quest first by collecting 10,000 Luxon Faction (assuming you still need to complete the primary quest sequence). --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 13:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

So...
Is it ONE Black Moa Chick per account?
 * Per char iirc. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 13:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is per account. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 23:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Linsey just stated one per character, not account, on the article page. ₪₪ JOS ə PH ₪₪ 23:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Link please? - 81.226.66.108 19:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here - Tanetris 19:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 81.226.66.108, I did state "...on the article page." ₪₪ JOS ə PH ₪₪ 01:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Or! you could do what I did! First, start from the harvest temple, and run/fight your way to Unwaking waters(Luxon). And them, backwards run up to the leviathan pits! It works, I've done this a few times to get my characters around. 216.119.178.127 12:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Luxon Pet
Seeing as, even though the Black Moa chick is adorable, it is a black moa, could the devs consider adding a unique pet from the Jade Sea for all us Luxons and then a similar scavenger hunt for a baby version of it? Me and my Luxon guild are feeling a bit guilty at liking a Black Moa so much. Andrik Of Ascalon 21:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A possibility could be a white crab mini; you can find them in a few GWEN dungeons, and the white vs. black contrast fits nicely. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]] Mafaraxas  22:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As Zho's journal tells us, the Black Moa is not Kurzick at all, nor even Canthan. While the corruption in the Moa may have come from Echovald Forest, its origins are Ascalonian and the life breathed into it is thanks to none other than the Luxons. So let's thank the Kurzicks for their fine feather dye and put a tiny pirate hat on that Black Moa Chick with pride.
 * That said, more quests like this would be pretty awesome. - Tanetris 23:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never thought of the Black Moa as being a Kurzick pet, it was just in their forest. It kills the Kurzicks :P. Luxons have their own Luxon-only feature in GWEN: A Hero! Xandra is the only hero to allign herself with either the Luxons or the Kurzicks, and she chose the right side :P. Dancing Gnome 17:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, you harden the egg in the Echovald Forest, you incubate it with the help of Luxons in Gyala Hatchery. Even though Zho is Kurzick, she's journeyed all over the world, Tyria. Calor 20:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Like this? [[File:User Unendingfear Pirate.png]]-- Unending fear  User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 23:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

How about the luxon hero without the kurzick one! so this is their way of correct it! so in my opinion its even u get a hero we get a pimp miniature! Hinaruto 22:21 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Even though Zho is Kurzick"


 * so Where exactly does it say zho is kurzick in the game? 24.233.254.51 23:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

It dies?
Now is there an animation or...? This might be one more thing that supports the idea that these might be growable mounts... ^_^ - elviondale  (tahlk) 20:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All minipets die in this fashion, I think it is a bug. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * de_rats - elviondale  (tahlk) 22:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

"except Nightfall"?

 * "You need all campaigns (except Nightfall)"

Surely that must be wrong? It even later says:
 * "the Nesting Material (from Nightfall) cannot be dropped or trade"

?? -- Jonas N 09:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the whole thing, maybe? --68.106.223.233 09:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You do require Nightfall. (to trade 5 Skree Wings for the Nesting Material) Articles must be viewed from the premise that you do not "cheat" quests by trading anything with other players. If this is possible then it should be added as an alternative suggestion (to the relative section) in the article. Someone has removed the offending statement now. ₪₪ JOS ə PH ₪₪ 13:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not a matter of farming the skree wings, since you could just go have a guildie do it or buy them. However, when you take the wings to the crafter (who is in NF), the nesting material he makes is customized to your character. - elviondale  (tahlk) 14:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

What it should say is you need all campaigns except prophecies, since you can get the egg and bog skale thingy from someone else. 70.27.0.19 14:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How are you gonna hatch it without Proph? -- [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]]C4K3 13:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

really first with original model?
The Black Moa Chick is the first miniature to have an original model made specifically for it, rather than using a resized model of another NPC. How about the Mini-Asura? He is in a comic-style, so it doubt it is just a resized model of a normal asura... Der moon 21:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * afraid it is used, on quite a lot of asura Image:Fonk.jpg, it is pretty much one of the main models. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I smile every time I see that picture - elviondale  (tahlk) 22:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, haven't seen that... :D Thanks for info. [[Image:User_Der_moon_sig.png| ]] Der moon 22:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, BUT, since the Asura mini came before the Asura "maxi", I tend to agree that the Chick isn't the first original mini-model. =P -- Alesain 02:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, BUT they sure didn't start creating EotN after the mini released. I believe the magazine article even had pictures of the asura in game (iirc?) or at least concept art that wasn't directly attributable to the mini.  All this to say that the chicken came before the egg.  err... life-sized model before the mini. - elviondale  (tahlk) 02:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I happen to have a copy of the mag here; they have concept art but not in-game pictures of the asura. But I agree that the life-sized model came before the mini. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas sigimg.jpg|onoes!]]  Mafaraxas  19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotcha.. thx for the clarification. - elviondale  (tahlk) 20:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My thinking is simply they knew what Asura would look like pretty early on, and when they released the mini-asura the models for the in game Asura already exhisted and they just chose that one. The note could be changed to "It is the only unique modeled minature in the game." The point of the note is to point out the minature seems to be intended to be an actual moa chick, but it also points out its 'specialness' :D. Dancing Gnome 17:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Panda Veldrik 05:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Panda had the model of a Bear. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  15:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The panda exists as Ling Wong also, a quest npc. Maybe we should just rephrase it as, "the only miniature that uses a unique model" to avoid confusion. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 19:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Trick Trade?
What is this "trick-trade" you speak of? Dancing Gnome 17:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You were able to transfer Nesting Material from one player to another by using the Incubator Kit (with Nesting Material inside) as the traded item, thus saving you buying Nightfall to get said Nesting Material. You can no longer do this. josəph  18:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Mourning Veil Falls
Question: I need to place the Moa Egg in the "water" at Mourning Veil Falls. I've wandered through it and deposited the Moa Egg in the "water" above the waterfall. Do I need to place it underneath the waterfall itself? And if so, how the heck do I get down into that cleft? -Kilfio --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.210.183.197.
 * There is a specific point which to interact with labeled "Mourning Veil Falls" within the zone. Look at the map on the Hardened Moa Egg page to see where it is. --Thervold 15:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Help needed hatching the chick
I have everything needed to hatch the chick, i have the quest and tried 3 different times to hatch the egg. I also went with a group that had the quest and it still wouldnt hatch. Yes i have everything with me when i enter the quest, Yes i got everything myself and have Zho's book. and the egg will not hatch. Yes i stood in the pouring lava for over 10 minutes and still nothing. any advice  Knight Of Tend --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Tend (talk).
 * stood in the pouring lava for over 10 minutes. It sounds like you might be confusing the two types of Sorrow's Flame.  You can't stand in the useful one for 10 minutes. --[[Image:Tometheus-signature.png]] Tometheus (talk) 02:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

YEA.... did you try READING thje article: "When a character stands adjacent to the huge furnace nearby where the Iron Forgeman's lair is. This will deal one blast of 100+ damage. Being hit by this effect will not hatch the Black Moa Chick." meaning that The Iron Forgeman has to hit you not the pool..... read carefully next ime please ^^- --Haunted Shadow 00:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)Haunted Shadow

Have u tried putting the stuff inside the incubator kit? :p

I have everything inside the kit and have had the fire poured on my head and died 20 times and still no moa chick.

Acquiring items using different characters
Apparently the "trick trade" fiasco also pertains to different characters on the same account. I got the nesting material with a different character than the one that got the Incubator Kit, and i can't transfer the nesting material through storage to get it to my character that has the kit. (The in-game description of the nesting material says "Fragile: Cannot be dropped or traded." And for anyone who doesn't know, the incubator kit is customized to the character that purchased it, so it can't be opened by another character.) So am I stuck with a nesting material that can't be used?

lol i loved how this all started from one screenshot of the mini and the fun of figuring the whole thing out before it even started--Soul of misery 03:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe they changed this since the above was posted, but I just did this successfully (got the nesting material on one character, put it in storage, logged on another character on the same account, took it out of storage and put it in the incubator for that character). The Nesting Material talk entry also has someone saying they did the same thing. I'm changing the Nightfall entry in the Note section to reflect this. BladeDVD 21:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I just double-checked this as well. The nesting material itself only says that it cannot be dropped or traded; doesn't say it cannot be put into storage. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Images
Sorry wrong place to post but i was wondering if someone can tell me how to upload an image on wiki i have a really good picture to compare the black moa and black moa chick sizes, thanks --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:202.156.14.74 (talk).


 * First, start a new section when you have a new topic to discuss. Second, sign your comments with ~ . Now on to your question. If you are a registered user of the wiki you can upload images. Simply create a link on the appropriate page  It will create a red link that you can then click on and it will take you to the upload page. Make sure you select the appropriate Image Use tag. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 08:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

What...?
My egg won't go into the incubater kit I'm so confused ><
 * You need to take the egg to Mourning Veil Falls and get a Hardened Moa Egg. If you've done this already, check to make sure that neither of the items have been customized to other characters. -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 21:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

LOst
i lost my book can i get a new one on the same char?!? Nvm i found it ^^
 * for reference - Players who have lost their copy can speak with Zho in Gunnar's Hold to get a new copy. ... information lifted from Zho's Journal MrPaladin talk 19:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Costs
I had added the following to notes, but JonTheMon, for some reason, removed it. There's no harm to it. I've also seen plenty of other articles that do out "just the math" (such as heavy equipment pack). --71.182.222.236 00:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Creating 50 from an artisan costs  250, 500  and 5.
 * That information would be more fitting on the Incubator Kit page. If that is included, then the artisan cost for the Steel Ingots should also be included. –~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  &larr;&hearts;– 01:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

How much IS it?
Just wondering, how much is the black moa chick worth NOW? There have been soo many price rockets and sinks, that I don't know how much it is anymore. Some ppl say it's 80k, others 150k. I'm confused. Plz update with the times. :P Carleen96 16:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I scour LA prices vigorously and use The Estimator frequently and I have seen than the following in 2011:
 * WTS: 50-70k
 * WTB: 30-55k


 * If you want to create a sign-in, you can also check the actual trade prices from past auctions at GW Auctions (an officially designated auction site). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the info ;)  Carleen96 18:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You're quite welcome. (added text in italics) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Quests?
Do you have to have both quests from Sorrow's Furnace to hatch the egg, or can you just walk in there? Carleen96 04:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't have to have any of the quests if you go with someone else who has.


 * Otherwise, you need to complete the establishing quests in To Sorrow's Furnace. In order to activate the Iron Forgeman, you need to take The Final Assault before you enter the zone and The Forge Heart once inside. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Aww man! thx for the info anyway.....Carleen96 22:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Honeycomb sources: should we list them all (or only some)?
I think it's more helpful to list only the most reliable sources for honeycombs; presenting everything is distracting. This article is about the Black Moa Chick and not about exhaustive details about the items used in the scavenger hunt; the honeycomb has its own article that can cover all sources.
 * Dalton Franks requires 8 stone grawl necklaces; these are relatively infrequent drops in a rarely-farmed area.
 * You can get 3 from A Hunter's Pride, but this can only be done 1x/toon (also, it's not all that fast: find Hosni for quest, head into the center of Jaga, scare hunters, return to Hosni for reward).

Even at the highest trade price I've seen for combs, it's cheaper and less time consuming to farm for trades, mule from Pre, or farm for GotT. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)