Talk:Wintersday 2009

Quests and collectors
These should be added as they appear in game. -- Wyn  talk  03:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are the quests being released progressively over the course of the event or are they all available today? I can never rememeber how the holiday quests work...  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * With regards to collectors, are they going onto this page, or their own separate pages, I presume the latter, however I suspect they'll want links on this page. Jon Will 00:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why anything Wintersday 09 related wouldn't be included on the Wintersday 09 page. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What I meant was, have links to the collector pages on this page, and have the collector pages separately. I'll see how it was done last year for comparison. - Jon Will 14:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All of the collectors already have their own pages. The table has been added to the page. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Cons
I hope the omission of Peppermint Candy Canes from the official page was just an oversight. They help us vanquishers. :D Sardaukar  03:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears as if they have changed nothing but the hats this year so both Wintersday Gifts and Winter Gifts should still have a chance of dropping Peppermints, of course we all know how much fun Anet has with nerfin' all the good easy things out of the game. --Skekzyz 21:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just had one come outta a Wintersday Gift, they do still exist! Jon Will 01:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

No new stuff?
D': Charocles 12:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

What do you expect? its anet where talking about. 90.211.36.70

Just be happy with what you get, and your going to get, ####


 * "Costumes, New hats, New hat mechanics"


 * Uhh yeah, nothing new. I mean, why didn't they give us the hugest holiday event since 2005 for Halloween?  Our lack of gratitude is justified.  Shadowform Shadowform, shadowform, ShadowForm, shadowForm.  Ursan.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

New white jingle moa?,opportunity to get my mini polar bear?, new costumes?, 2 new hats? all that is new as far as i know o wait did i said is a free rent game????. Ivy Thunder Goddess 5:35, 19 December 2009

Any guesses for the new hats?
Well anyone? LazloW talk 14:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A ghostly dreamrider hat, since it has already been made for last Dragon Festival Looky. But nvm since hat remove hair. So it would make us all bald :/  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 19:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm wishing and hoping for a santa hat -- Mocceb 19:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The only hat they have ever repeated is that hideous Lion Mask so I doubt you will get yer wish Mocceb, my guess is a Top Hat because we all know Anet gets lazier and lazier as the years pass. Not all hats remove hair, btw. --Skekzyz 20:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a top hat would be nice. Im guessing a hat with some type of star idea or angel idea behind it, or a tree hat. --Burning Freebies 20:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A Top Hat sounds very likely, but what of the other hat? Perhaps a halo? Or maybe another cheap a$$ facepaint like they've done with the last two halloweens. 76.115.4.19 03:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because Halloween makes a good Christmas. --User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.png R I D DLE 03:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually thought to myself that they should have a top hat for Wintersday this year before I even saw this. ^_^ I hope they either have that, or some variant of the Freezie Crown, like an opposite for it maybe...Burnie Crown? =P -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] Lacky 11:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A top hat wouldnt be that bad tbh as long as they dont do any crap ones like they did for 2007, god those were horrific but im sure they will come up with something good as the masks they've done this year have been great compaired to the years before oh and btw @76.115.4.19 oddly enough the facepaints take more time to design and make than the hats do so theres nothing cheep ass about them :P --A zreal o f S kyrim [[Image:User Azreal of skyrim signature.jpg]] 12:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Please, anything BUT facepaint! They look very crappy on pretty much everything that doesn't have too much hair. At least cover the whole head and call it Failed Asuran Experiment head-paint-thingy. Let's not bring too much logic here. Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 22:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Zombie facepaint was actually extremely cool, my ritualist was wearing it year round (grey old looking hair, ancient armor) and will continue wearing it thanks to costume slots. It looked good on other chars too.  My only qualm with it was how it darkened on the character selection screen.
 * The Skeletal facepaint was admittedly a little disappointing due to the fact that your nose is for some reason still there (it is supposed to be facepaint but it looks akward). And of course a year later, the same bug occurs.  I guess Anet likes their annoying art bugs and transparent paragon hair.
 * Hopefully Anet does not revert back to shit like the Jester's cap or the card-board santa hat that doesn't obey the laws of gravity. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Take this with a grain of salt, but looking through the .DAT, it sure looks like there's quite a few textures added that could be combined into a costume. It's not the same color(s) as the Grenth or Dwayna costumes either. Manifold 23:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Anet would need to pop out of our screens and shoot us in the head in order to make it any more obvious that more costumes are being added. Good job on that dive into the .dat, though, thanks :D  Would you be able to post them or something?  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, you know what, looking at the pictures that are up now of the Dwayna and Grenth costumes, I think that's all that it is. They are red-colored though, which threw me for a bit. I'm new to the .DAT thing. Manifold 03:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am guessing top hat and Santa beard.--Lensor ( talk ) 09:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just realized, every future costume is most likely going to be a cash shop ;_; They won't be dropping from anywhere or acquired from anyone other than the costume NPC so the only choice left is either festival events, handouts from Anet (lol) or cash shop.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * <font color="Red">A Santa's Beard would be a funny and Random idea xD -- Find And Seek  [[image:user Find_And_Seek sig.png]] 10:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No Grenth hat drop in Lions Arch when Grenth won, also has anyone else noticed you can't add the Dwayna's Diadem to the hat collector? Another bug? Yu Takami 14:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a bug that isn't fixed yet. Since lots of players will complain heavily due to the fact that they cannot attend every single finale just to get the hat they might extend it for another day. But that's a big "might"! The hat is the most important part of the event, IMHO, because players may enjoy other parts of the event but ever since the conception of GW people have flocked together to attend the finale. And what is the grand prize at the finale? Bingo! 70.189.106.136 16:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Quest
REALLY hope that Anet continues the Christmas Quests in EoTN with a new series of quests involving the Good Wintersday Lieutenant Thackeray, and not repeat the ones from last year--Lord Randy 01:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * LoL it is Anet of course they are gonna repeat everything. They might have a new hat. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 04:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be so sure Drogo. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say we're definitely getting something new. Why else would the staff be so quiet (like they were leading up to the new Halloween quest chain)? Just have to wait and see. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 13:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The new Halloween quests were mentioned on the official site, there is no mention of anything new but hats on the Wintersday 2009 page so if they are doing something new it will surprise the hell outta me --Skekzyz 19:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I had forgotten that. Hopefully we'll all be surprised. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I do think it would be a shame if Wintersday gets less cool stuff than Halloween, but I'm reserving judgement. 188.74.101.228 23:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Jack Frost buff?
With many binding ritual skills that receive a buff earlier this year, you reckon Jack Frost will split into 2 versions, with the PvE version getting buffed up? Batchie 11:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's far from underpowered for the solo quests. Holiday Blues, however...  24.197.253.243 11:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, Jack Frost is fine. It has more health than any other level 5 spirit and deals the same amount of damage as a player. Maybe a cast time buff would be in order, if that, but it's fine as is. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 21:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I should have mentioned the cast time buff, that was what I meant. :/ Batchie 06:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's all it should get, if that. But it doesn't seem to have been touched. I still think it's pretty balanced, as far as event skill balance goes. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 06:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

new stuff just need to read
i know it's small but have a look at the line that says this.

Holiday quests in Lion's Arch, Kamadan, and the Eye of the North! Certain quest chains returning from previous years involve beloved (and rare) holiday-themed animals.

now i know it does not look like anythink new but plese note the s on the end of the line.

this means that we may have new charmable pets :)

i know some of you may be thinking that it's a small upgrade but plese remember your don't have to pay for it, unlike wow players :)--Thedreadlordpie 20:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They added the Jingle Bear last year, so there is already a holiday themed charmable pet. This does not prove anything new. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ok i know we got the jingle bear, that is one animal, the website says animals meaning there are more then one holiday-themed animal.--Thedreadlordpie 20:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Jingle Bear + Mini Polar Bear/Wintersday Moa = Animals de   Kooning  20:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wintersday Moa can be found any day of the year, and anet have never called mini pets animals there call them by the name of miniatures.--Thedreadlordpie 20:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The rare part is a pretty obviously reference to the mini polar, IMO. Long story short, don't get your hopes up. :\ <font color="#CCCCCC">de  Kooning  20:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * well i still think that anet will give us somethink new as they do each year and this may be it.--Thedreadlordpie 20:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't want to give some false hope, but th live team said they where going to make new content updates now and then (especially for holidays) and each year there was something new.

Maybe there will be a great new feature, And if there's none, get over it, there will be another great update an other time. Don't mind my english and try not getting this topic archived as other "speculation topics".
 * Well if (and that's a big IF) they have added something other than new hats a mini Reindeer or Kidnapped Reindeer would be one of the more likely items. --Skekzyz 21:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just completed the EotN quest chain, it spawns a White Jingle Moa next to the Jingle Bear. It has the same necklace as Wintersday Moa and you can charm it. Brodly  20:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Proof: http://i47.tinypic.com/33o4evb.jpg Brodly  20:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY... Now I can has a white chocobo upgraded with a jingle bell...! That picture makes me happies.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Secret Santa?
I know this doesn't corrospond directly to the in-game wintersday 2009 event, but this seemed the most fitting. would it be possible for the wiki to run a player organised secret santa type event? People could sign up on a list, and possibly state what they wished for, and after a certain sign up date ended players would have a partner randomly selected. then they had a week or so to get a gift togethor (with a cost limit), and on one designated day everyone could exchange gifts. the Wikia version of the guild wars wiki did this last year and it was a lot of fun, so i thought we could bring a similar idea to this wiki. Just a thought, people can expand on it or reject it as they please. If theres a more appropriate section for this please relocate it if you can :) Death By An Arrow 22:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Category:Community_hosted_events &larr;
 * That being said, I have done/participated in such an event last year, and I have to say that the wiki was a messy way to organize. We had at least 30 participants... a lot of people had to wait until like April to finally get their gifts, some didn't ever get them, a lot of people could never be contacted because they signed up as IPs or whatever... and so on and so forth. The actual swapping of gifts was also a contentious matter, since some people were poor sports about getting "bad exchanges". Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 22:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * hm, i completely forgot about that category page.. thank you :) i thought i would make the suggestion because i had a really positive experience with it last year, but maybe it could be organised more firmly? now that we know what went wrong we could possibly change the game plan. (such as for people who cant accept gifts, should not join at all, or if you cant be there to accept your gift the giver would just keep the gift. just quick ideas off the top of my head) i wouldnt have a clue as how to lead it though :s Death By An Arrow 22:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Rift Wardens
They are in the game and are timed to appear. Stop taking this section out. We document tons of other things players don't currently have access to. ~Shard  23:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance for you compliance. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 23:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We also document things, players do have access to. Wyn said when they appear, not when they're in game and 'timed' to appear. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 23:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Shard, we have never added the Rift Wardens quests until they are available in game. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  23:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, they should be removed until they are available in the game. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 23:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is it said that they come in at a certain time? Also, I think the way it currently is, is fine. A little subtext saying that they are not in the game yet. BTW, hello! Long time lurker finally made an account. FireMarshal 00:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool story bro [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 00:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't remember it having a 'certain' time last year, nor the year before. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥
 * In the past the rift wardens haven't been in game until the quests are available. I think the change is due to the way they are "automating some event stuff" now. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  01:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a note on that comment Wyn. The quests cannot be available without the wardens. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Did someone notice you dont have to pay to play??? and actually they added stuff maybe not hole new town or youre dream eternal kill that dragon quest over an dover but is new stuff happines is on details Ivy Thunder Goddess 6:00 19 December 2009
 * Uhhmmm... What?86.80.183.215 08:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The divine lady of lightning has descended to give to us puny mortal the secret to eternal happiness... and a surefire method for dragon slaying, I believe. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel retarded after reading that... Are you entirely sure you are posting in the right location? Do you even have the right game?70.189.106.136 16:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't feed the dwarf
Is it a bug? I was able to get in and out the dwarf cage without the "don't feed the dward" bug
 * No, you can now walk in and out of the 'cage' freely, even trough the candy cane bars. so people picked up gifts and went into the cage wich let the Grentchies stay at the cage so others could give gifts to the children without being bugged :P  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 15:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Candysmiths
I haven't been able to find them anywhere... Are they always late (I didn't pay attention last year because it was my first Wintersday^^), or were they forgotten this year ? 213.166.213.254 16:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They will likely be added in the update which brings the Rift Wardens. Usually what happens is they put in the decorations, some quests, and the collectors on the first day, and then a few days into the celebration more gets added in. :) Death By An Arrow 17:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Candysmiths can already be found in the snowball fight arenas. They are dwarves with the "collector" title. --<font color="Black">D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 20:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you both, I guess I should start paying more attention to how festivals work... XD 213.166.213.254 20:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, trust me, you have to explore if you want to find the exact items. Also, try looking on pages of previous festivals, sometimes certain NPC's arrive differently each year. --<font color="Black">D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 08:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Grentches
Why aren't the Grencthes in towns yet??? I'm going crazzzzzy!!! Power WM 20:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Bring on the Grentches
When are the grentches coming????? Wynterarwynrose 05:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Peppermint Candy Canes
I didn't see Peppermint Candy Canes on the list this year. Was it just forgotten on the list or are they really not a part of this year's Wintersday? AngrytheKid 01:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Havent been since the first year. Only place I know to get em now is snowman dungeon [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 01:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll refer you both to the section entitled "Cons" where you'll find I've said they can be found in wintersday presents. ^-^ - Jon Will 02:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! AngrytheKid 02:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Since they are in game I'm gonna pop peppermint candy canes on the page. - Jon Will 13:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

White Jingle Moa
This page doesn't tell anything about the White Jingle Moa, it even doesn't link to it. I think it's worth a section for it's own... --Mozoziz 11:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: This is now listed under returning features, thx to the one who did it! --Mozoziz 12:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * the white jingle moa isn't a returning feature. it's brand new to this year, is there a more appropriate location for it? Death By An Arrow 01:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This may require another year, but perhaps a new type of table thing that shows the year accompanied by the charmable pet for that year (2008 - Jingle Bear, 2009 - Jingle Moa, 2010 - etc.)
 * Can a new section be added to document the changes from the past Wintersday celebrations to this years. Aside from new rewards, maybe some new NPC is added, changes in the dialogue, new headgear, new pets, new quests, or maybe something old that has been removed or replaced. - Decollete 13:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree that there should be something different in regards to the Jingle Bear and the White Jingle Moa. There is a separate section for the hats for a reason. Same reason applies here. Each year so far there is something new. Maybe simply adding a new section called "New Stuff" would also be appropriate. To me it just seems like a redneck way of doing it the way it currently is setup. Since each year there are new items added to the festival it makes perfect sense, IMHO, to add a section dedicated to display the new items so players don't have to thumb through a lot of old stuff to try and find what is new. However, this is only one man's opinion and everyone knows what opinions smell like... 70.189.106.136 17:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Good Job!
Great work on the article page so far. Have yourselves all a virtual pat on the back, a nice mug of eggnog, and a wonderful Wintersday. Cheers! 76.164.111.57 12:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wintersday Gift Givers
Found them in Dwayna_vs_Grenth. They haven't appeared in other towns/outposts yet. Batchie 18:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have found them there since the beggining of the event. Unforunately someone kept on reverting my edits, so thanks for the confirmation, now we have more proof. XD --<font color="Black">D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 19:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They are in town now, along with the tonic makers. just so everyone knows for sure. Death By An Arrow 01:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Cantha?
I've wondered this for a while...why no decorations? <font color="Blue"> Zachariah Zuan. 21:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Canthan New Year. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 21:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And Dragon Festival. See Talk:Halloween 2009. --Silver Edge 07:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So that people will buy another Anet product. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Finale
How many shards are used during the finale (each time it takes a set ut of your inventory)? Was just curious about how many I need to the full event. Magic  <font color="#0000EB">Talk  02:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not many. I think I had around 100 in my inventory last year and they lasted long enough, if that's why you're wondering. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 02:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont think you need any for the hats if thats what you mean.--Amantis 04:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Naw, hats are free. Kyoshi answered me. Couldn't remember if it was 1 or 3 shards per scoring. I'd saved a stack so I guess I'm good. Thanks. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  19:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm certain a stack will be plenty. ^^ --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 21:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If I don't play in the nine rings will I still get the gifts at the end of the game if I'm in the district? --Akish Cohor 11:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure the hats are free ? I was talking to my guild leader and she told me it was 250ccs for a hat... can anyone confirm one of the two answers ? XD 213.166.213.254 11:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The hats that you receive from the Dwayna/Grenth Support Rings in the Districts of Lion's Arch and Kamadan are free.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 11:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only person noticing people are ignoring the Odd/Even split? Going through twenty Districts to find one where I can try for the hat I want is annoying, especially with the bug added to the mix. Tashiro 14:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No. You are not the only one. I had to rezone several times until I found the Dwayna district (meaning more people stand on blue side in even dis). Panah Api 02:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this applies or not, but people were talking about that very thing in LA. They were saying that the majority of people in the district were on the wrong side when in fact they were not. Grenth was closer to the entrance while Dwayna was closer to the merchants. I think people were looking at the colors and trying to justify which side was which based on color. I didn't see any districts on the wrong side. But then, due to the bug I gave up trying to get a mask/hat.70.189.106.136 17:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

New hats?
At the bottom of the Wintersday 2009 page in the German wiki, there are the alleged new hats for this year.

Loosely translating their filenames, we have: Icicle Diadem and Snowflake Diadem. 76.164.111.57 23:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It also says "Please note: The official names for the objects are not yet known! The file name here in the wiki has nothing to say.". Interesting find though. --  Cat Slayer  Calli  [[Image:User Cat Slayer Calli signature.png]] 23:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I probably should have added that disclaimer. The snowflake one would look nice, and would be seasonally complimentary to the Wreath Crown. 76.164.111.57 00:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If these are the real ones, they're interesting. Not great, but interesting - keep in mind that my judgment is based on speculations. I just hope they won't make my male warrior look feminine. <font color="#a12a18">Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 10:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They just couldn't wait until January 1st huh? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * shouldnt we add the icons for the new hats to our page? just a thought. (i would do it but i am NOT good at that stuff)


 * No, because they are not confirmed, they are only speculation. If they are the real ones though, I like them. ^_^<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 02:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm all for the alleged hats if they're AURAS, and not replacing your current hair for a goofy one :P -- Norrukki [[Image:User_Norrukki_SigIcon.png|19px]] 02:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was kind of hoping they'd use the new costume slots they added for Wintersday. Guess I shouldn't expect anything for free from Anet anymore :/ <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:11, 31 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Well since they are festival hats, I am going to assume that they will fit into the new head gear slots.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 03:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's rather obvious. I meant that it would be nice if we got costumes as well as hats for the festival this year. You know? Celebrate the new feature added by allowing everyone to use it? Btw, I got the costumes for free, so I'm not just saying this out of spite or anything. I just think it would be smart. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:22, 31 December 2009  (UTC)
 * Oh, I get you now. You mean get an outfit as well as a hat for each festival? That would be pretty sweet I suppose, but I highly doubt it will happen. Still, I guess we will just have to wait and find out! Maybe they won't do it this time, but they will for the next event? Also, I take it by free you mean as a gift?<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 04:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It won't happen. We won't get full costumes because (as proven) they're a good source of money. And even if we like it or not, "it's all about the Benjamins". <font color="#a12a18">Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 11:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can i still be a part of the "we haet money club" even if i baught them? :( Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 06:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, got a Ice Shard Crest hat. Same icon as the icicle on the German wiki. That ones confirmed at least --  Cat Slayer  Calli  [[Image:User Cat Slayer Calli signature.png]] 08:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Ice Shard Crest from Grenth. 76.164.111.57 08:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup,confirmed.so ides hasten to say the dwayna one is real too. -- Nei l2250  User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 08:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have expected some animation from floating chunks of ice... 24.197.253.243 08:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup,both hats confirmed as the germans fortold. Damn germans -- Nei l2250  User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 08:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I (and the other people in dis 28) did NOT get the dwayna hat (even though she won) in Kam!!! Nice bug to stay up for! :( 98.246.29.12 08:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Kamadan did not get the new hats, neither Grenth or Dwayna districts at the end of the first round. KJZ 08:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Think the hat droprate is like the polar bear. got a hat on my main but 2 account's got none. was there 30 min before the event. Koiboysg1 11:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC) I along with many have been cheated out of our holiday hats...Why.Everytime I turn around 1 of my builds get nerfed..a-net servers kill me with lagg...and now we dont get a planned staying up extra late night reward when I could have been doing something productive instead of wasting my time for a-net to glitch. Why do you do this to us A-net I really doubt I wanna try GW2 with all the problems I have had with the first one. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.111.127.58 (talk).

Is it just me, or does it seem anet is being lazy when designing the newer festival hats? I don't know, they just don't seem creative anymore, i was really bumbed out when I saw the new wintersday ones :( Jeff6194 21:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not just you, the hats were really cheaply designed this year. Grenth's crest is just a crappier ice crown and Dwayna's crest doesn't even have any polygons, it's just a texture.  And it looks terrible on other people in town with low res skins.

HAPPY NEW YEAR
WHO ELSE IS GONNA STAND IN LA AND WAIT FOR THE FIRST FINALE?? Eastern time finale is 3am so i'm playing New Years Hard Mode. :D Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 06:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I woke up too early so I've gotten no sleep but I should be up for the first one. Tidas 06:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 24 hours of no sleep and I keep going \m/ --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 06:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm on the west coast!! ^_^ lol 98.246.29.12 06:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Mid US here, Im in Kamadan after farming 500 shards for the past 2 hours.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 07:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: moved to LA after talkin to a friend, aparently it was a wise choice.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 08:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Time Management to Receive Hats
I wanna max out my presents, but on the other hand, I don't want to miss the beginning of the Kamadan festival. Can anyone tell me how many minutes into the hour should i leave for Kamadan, or after how many presents received at LA? Thanks! 122.20.215.27 08:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)Ryoko Yonekura

I usually take off once grenth starts killing people....

Dwayna vs. Grenth winnings
Alright, I have stood on the middle ring, and found out that if the chosen ring is a side one, you get 2 CCS and 2 lucky points. And if the chosen ring is the middle one (one I'm standing on), you get 3 CCS, 3 lucky points and a Wintersday Gift. Anyone who stood on a side or corner ring and knows what you win? Batchie 08:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Seems like in Kamadan, many people didn't get Grenth's hat O___O How is that possible ? 213.166.213.254 08:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

corner gets 5 cc and gift. didn't get dwayna hat in kamadan either. whats up? some sort of bug? A Flaming Heart 08:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have stood on a side ring and if it's selected, you get 4 ccs and 4 lucky points. Batchie 11:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

New Hat Glitch
Really weird, but no one in my district got Dwayna's hat when she won. Kamadan, America - English - D38. Leon Drakenhart 08:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * D35 America English - mixed results - many got hat, (I did) many complained that they didn't. 69.24.179.187 08:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't get it either, Kamadan district 20 Kumlekar 08:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A similar thing happened in Int 2, Kamadan, where a lot of us didn't get the Dwayna hat, but some people did. Some of us who came over from a Grenth-winning LA district didn't get the hat, but again a few of us did, so it couldn't have been that. What's up, aNet? Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 08:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Kamadan glitched and hats wern't given to some, if not all (not verified) players. If it persists all day, GW will probably re-do the event like they did before for Kamadan. Id suggest doing the Lions Arch event if possible.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 08:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Alliance chat is filled with complaints of people not getting hat. GJ, WTG, WTF?  /GOTEAM /Fail.  -Drakora 08:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't get the Dwayna one in Kamadan European English District 1 on my ranger (Prophecies character) but I did get it with my Monk (Nightfall Character) on another account in the same district. Some get it some don't.... and I've seen it happen with my accounts. --[[Image:User_Qaletaqa_sig_icon.jpg|talk]] Qaletaqa Hania  08:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Had one account in Kamadan AD24 and I got Dwayna's hat, the other was in AD28, came from LA (got Grenth's there), did not get Dwayna's there. Seems like most of the district did not. Verene 08:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * How long was your ranger in that district? could you have joined after the event had started?--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 08:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Kamadan American D40 - I was there ten minutes before the event started. No one got hats. 122.2.214.86 08:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a wild guess, but did wearing a costume headpiece affect players ability to get a hat? Its a recent update, and I know I was wearing one while waiting, didn't get a hat.  I guess porbably not considering there were no complaints about LA.Kumlekar 08:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I was wearing no hat nor costume. 122.2.214.86 08:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't get the Grenth's hat in Dis 39, no one did but I did get Dwayna's Hat in Dis 10. Both in Kamadan. --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 08:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Did not get hat in Kamadan District 23. No one did. Failnet. --98.95.56.151 08:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, Kama has big issues this Wintersday. First with the epic lag, now this. Batchie 08:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "How long was your ranger in that district? could you have joined after the event had started?"


 * The event already started when I got there with my ranger, the dialogue had just started. --[[Image:User_Qaletaqa_sig_icon.jpg|talk]] Qaletaqa Hania  08:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people dont get hats if they arrive after it starts Ive heard, that may be the case here.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 08:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, Kamadan D22 america, all mixtures of people got the hat (some that had been the whole time, some that only just came from LA) while a number of people did not get the hat (people being there the whole time and people coming from LA). 08:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * True, this is probably an error with something else entirely, but it is a reason for some probably that what I stated is the reason they didnt receive a hat.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 08:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I was in Dist 37 America (Grenth) and had just came from LA. Didn't get hat. Chrisworld 09:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I got to Kamadan American D33 prior to the start of the event (by about five minutes) not a single person in the district get a hat. I smell a do over. KJZ 09:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

See Feedback talk:Gaile Gray/Support Issues and Feedback talk:Gaile Gray/Support Issues. --Silver Edge 09:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * When are hats supposed to be given? Before the 15 presents or after? I really can't remember that one. <font color="#a12a18">Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 11:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hats always come before the presents. Hats still come before the presents this year, if you happen to be lucky enough to actually get one. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 11:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * LA District 46 did not get hat or 2 of the gifts, it stopped at 13. Ramei Arashi 11:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I was sitting in La for the first event, got the hat, went to Kamadon as soon as the hat was put in my inventory for the Kamadon event, and no hat there, figured it was because I ported maybe during the LA event? But now I have been sitting in LA for the past 2 hours and haven't recieved a hat yet for Grenth =S I hope they fix this. --74.140.110.92 11:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 characters now, first chr got a hat in LA then moved to Kam and got no hat. 2nd chr didn't receive any hat at all in either LA or Kam.  WHAT GIVES??? 114.157.160.88 11:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)an unhappy Ryoko Yonekura :(
 * Looks like it prohibits you from getting a second cap if your account has already gotten one... I had the same issue as above. Tom Stone 11:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No hats from American English District 53 in Kamadan. 3rd Finale, really odd. I did get the Dwayna hat from LA from the first, but nothing now ... getting presents though. Must be a glitch somewhere ~ Twisties34. I was in area 2 hours before hand. This is rediculous. I want the set!

Neither Spanish LA District 2 and 3. --Inyia 11:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This is bonkers. It's good that I can stay and try all the finales, but I wonder what would those that can't do more than one or two. They should make them available at the Festival Hat Keeper for a limited period of time. <font color="#a12a18">Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 11:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope they will, I have to go to wish family members a happy new year today, so I can't do these anymore Sanderevers 11:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First finale: LA - got Dwayna, K - don't get Grenth. Second finale: LA - didn't get Grenth, K - dodn't get Grenth... Is Dwayna also bugged like this, or just Grenth? &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (<font color="#8B0000">talk ) 11:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Got same issue, but on the other side - got grenth, cant get dwayna... Tom Stone 11:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried to get Dwayna on 2 accounts in both LA as Kamadan, no luck. Sanderevers 11:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm suspecting Tonics. Many who used one, didnt get a hat. Including me. <_< Pastafarian Hunter 11:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have two accounts running right now. At midnight, I set one account in a Dwayna district, and one in a Grenth district. I got the Dwayna hat, but not the Grenth hat. That shows that it has nothing to do with whether you have gotten a hat from the event yet. I managed to get a Dwayna hat on both accounts, but not a Grenth hat. 67.22.211.139 12:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely not a thing connected to tonics (didn't use them at the event) or costumes (had my Dwayna hat on me the first time, didn't have anything on me, nor in my inventory the other). &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (<font color="#8B0000">talk ) 12:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I had two characters (one from each account) in the same district on the same spot (EU-Russia-1) and only one of them received the Snow Crest. Been AFK since before midnight my local time on both accounts, so have gone through two rounds on them, and still nothing. HanokOdbrook 12:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been afk in LA district 54 since my previous post and did not recieve a hat. moved to 52 and watched it this time and did not recieve one either.  I'm not using tonics, and I deleted the grenth hat from my inventory.66.215.83.191 14:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had 3 characters from different accounts standing in Lions Arch since 11pm (8 hours) to get the hats.. I get the presents, but have yet to see a single hat. I don't use tonics, I obviously doesn't have the hats equipped, and I'm not late for the event.. The way I see it, the hats doesn't exist! I see many claiming they got them, but refusing to put them on as proof!--Scandragon 14:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Got a Grentch on one account; Dwayna's on another. Can't seem to get the others, despite my LA-Kamadan red-eyes. I've moved both toons after the end of each event, to no avail (One started in a low-level district in Kamadan, and had been there 15 min prior to the start of the event, but it never ran). I have now changed toons that I'm doing this next one on in a desperate attempt to see if that helps. Mel from Hell 14:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There is no "Sometimes" regarding players receiving a hat, even if they are there for a complete event session in either location, it should read "Most times" and I will change it (and dare anyone to disagree!). I have been running 5 gw accounts simultaneously for all 3 events, for 1st one all in same American dist in Kamaden, 2nd all in same dist in LA, 3rd five different dist in LA - zero hats from events! ...But! now this is weird, between the 2nd and 3rd event times (about an hour before 3rd event) a Dwayna hat suddenly appeared in the inventory of one char, for no apparent reason!  On checking lots and lots of districts in both locations, I would suggest that < 10% of people have received a hat so far, even with multiple accounts and events. Note I have also removed the question mark from the title. Arrowmaster 15:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Went 3 finales and got Dwayna in first but can't get Grenth now. Any one starting to think it's mutually exclusive? pick you'r side and thats all you get this year? I know not right probably not true but feels like that to me.--Neji.B~ 16:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not mutually exlusive, I got both hats on one of my accounts but haven't gotten the Dwayna hat on another one of my accounts. --[[Image:User_Qaletaqa_sig_icon.jpg|talk]] Qaletaqa Hania  16:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

No one in AD 108 LA got their hat with the noon (US East) finale. Dwayna won. --Emkyooess 17:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * New build just announced. Let's hope that fixes things!  --DryHumour 18:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Page lock
I suggest this page be temporarily locked due to the high amount of vandalism being done to the notes section of the page. A Wiki moderator made a post and requested it remain as they put it, and Ip's are continuously putting their own opinion on the bug there, removing the moderators post.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 09:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I reverted, because it was not true, please read the # 23 New Hat Glitch? section of this page before you do anything, thanks. 91.82.30.130 09:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lacky is not an admin, and if he was, admins should be not treated any differently than regular users when it comes to content decisions (that is, judge on the edit, not the editor). - Tanetris 09:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I assumed him being a moderator after reading his userpage, so if he is not indeed an offical moderator, Im sorry if I caused any mishap with the small revert war. You all have my apologies and I will no longer be adding/changing content to this article.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 09:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not a Wiki moderator. I am a Blade Radio Forum Moderator. Easy mistake to make though, don't worry about it. ^_^<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 09:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The statement on the page: - Sometimes the finale event will not trigger, and as a result, players will not receive a Festival Hat. - is incorrect. The event triggers fine, people get presents and everything, just not the hats. Some do, but most don't. Up till now there's no clear reason. People are discussing on guru and INC, and have tried attending with and without hats on or off, or in/out of inventory, costumes on/off/inventory etc. It seems to be completely random. Sjeng  [[Image:User_Sjeng_Sig_Icon.png|13px|talk ]] 15:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Grentches - Fake presents
Is this new? The Grentches are dropping presents, saying they're for, but when anyone picks them up, they die.--Cyberman 11:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, this is not new. KJZ 11:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ever the lulz, as usual. --75.32.206.16 22:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Redux
Someone told me they already announced the redux. Has this been confirmed yet? 58.110.60.57 14:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't know if it's been confirmed or not, but I do think they're gonna do a redux (with finale!) if this isn't fixed soon. Шзвч [TALK] @ 14:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * hope so. i waited all year for this.  what a let-down.114.157.160.88 14:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)Ryoko Yonekura the Unhappy
 * If you've seen something of an official nature, can you please post a link to it? thanks114.157.160.88 14:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)Ryoko again.
 * I wouldn't be surprised if they do a Redux, this is utter disaster.--[[Image:User Master Fast sig-icon.png]] Shinigami  King  18:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Not Getting Dwayna Hats
I already got the grenth hat, but lot's of people including myself seem to not be getting Dwayna hats Wynterarwynrose 14:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lots of other people can't get Grenth's... I got Dwayna's on my first try and haven't been able to get Grenth's the 5 other times^^ 213.166.213.254 14:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL 5 times? There's only been 3 events :P -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  14:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Wyn but your forgetting You can hit both LA & Kamandan by hopping back and forth and not waiting until the end Wynterarwynrose 14:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't laugh, after LA, you can jet to Kamadan to catch those events before they kick off. try it next time!  Anyway, same deal with me--6 tries, 1 dwayna hat (first try), 0 grenth hats.114.157.160.88 14:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)Ryoko Yonekura
 * 1 Grentch hat (1st try) and 0 Dwayna hat after 3 attempts. Panah Api 14:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Same here got Grenth 1st finale (on 2 accts) now cannot get Dwayna even after deleting the Ice Shard hat, going to test with another acct if I can get a Dwayna and then not get the grenth. --Skekzyz 14:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Got Grenth's the first time, but every other time I've gone to Dwayna (in both LA and Kamadan), and have never got her hat. Silavor [[Image:UserSilavorSigIcon.png]] 15:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Same here, I was in LA-INT and got Grenth on the 2nd Finale, but not in the 3rd... Switch to Dwyana and got Presents but no hat after 1 try. 3 Finales - 41 Presents. (NOTE: did not participate and very first Finale) - SabreWolf 15:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Why do you start a new post when there is already one currently in progress about the exact same issue? Use your head...70.189.106.136 16:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 9a PST (ANET local time), still no 2nd hat. - SabreWolf 17:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

No hats again this year
I'm running 2 computers. Both started in LA at the 3am pst event Dwayna side, got no hats. Moved to KAMA INT and it was still going. No hats again. Went to KAMA at 6am Grenth side, no hats. Moved to INT dis, no hats.
 * Why do you start a new post when there is already one currently in progress about the exact same issue? Use your head... and please place 4 tildes at the end of your post. You should know that if you are posting here...70.189.106.136 16:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Not A Single Hat
My husband and I have both been online since the Finale has started. We've been in both Lion's Arch and Kamadan. Neither one of us has received a hat. I am going to log out of Guild Wars and run the program again to see if it helps. If it does, I'll let everyone know. I did e-mail Guild Wars Support around 6am this morning, but have not heard back yet. I figured something weird was going to happen after 2 straight days of some major lag in Kamadan (pings over 20k). I've been in District 25 and District 75 of Lion's Arch and Districts 23, 25, and 5 of Kamadan and no hat. I'll update this as needed... Shiva Eluluu
 * It's a known bug - check the article's hat section. -- pling User Pling sig.png 15:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Another post about the same thing? Did you even consider reading through the posts a little before you added one? You think this page is so others can be blessed by your words and you don't need to read at all?70.189.106.136 16:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem with no hats is really serious. I've been on all the finale events so far today & I'll stay for at least 2 more, but I haven't got a single hat so far. A lot of people complain about the look of the new hats & so on. I can't say the hats are the best I've ever seen, but I still want them. I want to know am I going to have the chance to get those hats or no and what are ArenaNet & NCSoft doing about that problem. If anybody has any ideas or news about the hat glitch, please, tell us. Thanks. &mdash; Ciborg ''' [[Image:Golem.jpg|19px]] 16:37, 1 January 2010

STOP MAKING A NEW SECTION... read first please. - SabreWolf 16:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The answer to the one not both hats problem (A Theory)
"In the tradition of the season, you will also earn one of two special, holiday-themed masks for participating in the annual Grenth vs. Dwayna holiday event!"

Says it right in the Guild Wars Wintersday 2009 page, bottom right. This should have been noticed a long time ago.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem 16:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

That may be true but i've been to two events on the same side and have yet to get any hats so theres still a bug.
 * True, there still is the bug of not getting a hat at all, but at least this lets people know why they cant get their second hat.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 16:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Me and a few guildies have gotten both. Tidas 17:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It still says "In the tradition of the season" so I still believe it's meant that we get one of two hats each finale event, like we always did. There is still something wrong with the hats, but I have no idea why ArenaNet & NC haven't said anything about it so far. &mdash; Ciborg ''' [[Image:Golem.jpg|19px]] 17:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "In the tradition of the season, you will also earn one of two special, holiday-themed masks for participating in the annual Grenth vs. Dwayna holiday event!" ---> Always has been the case, you get ONE hat per finale of the event (since you can't get both Dwayna and Grenth at the same time...) This is just a matter of logic (You get the winning side hat, how in heavens could you get both ???). I think you should dig a little deeper before stating things like "I have the answer, it's obvious".... Meredy Redleaf 17:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In comparison, previous years that statement was worded like this:
 * 2008: "In the tradition of the season, you will also receive special holiday-themed headgear for attending the Wintersday finale...!"
 * 2007: "In the tradition of the season, you will also receive special holiday-themed headgear if you attend the Wintersday finale. And this year, the hat you receive will depend on which deity wins the day, so choose wisely."
 * 2006: "In addition to the seasonally appropriate headwear you can receive from either Dwayna or Grenth at the end of the grand finale..."
 * These all make it clear that you will recieve hats, they do not state how you will only recieve one per event. That has been the case the whole season of this holiday, so what cause would they have of clarifying that wish does not need it? I know they re-word it a bit different each year due to event changes, but this is a noticeable difference. And yes I know some people have gotten both hats, but that could just as well as be a bug as only receiving one hat when trying for both. And I hope this helps with "digging a little deeper".--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 17:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The 2007 version is worded to similar effect as this years, Neithan. "will depend on which deity wins the day, So choose wisely"  More to the point, this year's reads as a variation of what has been said previous years, as has been the case each year.  There is nothing in the wording that implies that each can only get one hat (and considering how well people are known to go for both, it is highly unlikely that the GW staff wouldn't make it explicit) any more so than the years before.  The only explanation that makes sense at this point is that the hat-giving is bugged, which we already know.  A lack of second-hat is most accurately attributed to the rarity of getting any hats at all this year, which many players will attest to.  74.248.147.122 18:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen both hats on the same account, given to the same toon, during the same event cycle where one was received in LA and the other in Kamadan.Mel from Hell 18:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen people with both hats. This is not the case. --[[Image:User Master Fast sig-icon.png]] Shinigami  King  18:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We've gotten both hats ... for years. And for more than one dual-hat yearly event. Sorry, but changing it now would be complete and utter horse shit. Especially in years that one side has a crap hat and the other has a reasonable to cute one (like LA's fugly Charr hat and Kamadan's necro-appropriate skeleton face paint this past Halloween). Or, as a voice for the minority of role-players lurking around, what if we would like to continue to play different characters supporting the different deities and sport the new hats to show it? These two particular hats may be very similar, but that is most definitely not the case with most sets of hats years past. And if nothing else, too many people have gotten both. It would be unfair at this point to limit to only one.
 * As to different wording...? Well, that's likely just the marketing dept. or whoever. It looks professionally lazy to put out the same statements every year for an annual event. Lillium 18:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What I posted is simply theory, Im not insinuating that I know exactly whats going on like some big shot. I know by reading it now that it sounds that way. Im putting out a theory only. I hope that my theory is proven wrong without a doubt, cause if it is indeed true then it sucks. I plan on attending more events myself to prove/disprove bug reports on here.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 18:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was having the same horrible thoughts initially that that's what they were doing... hence a bit of a rant/vent somewhere they might look at. Sorry, not really directed anywhere, just presentation of opinion. Lillium 19:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We have bigger problems then hat bugs if this theory ever becomes correct. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

What don't work
For the convenience of everyone, these are "solutions" to the hat problem that doesn't work (i.e. doing these won't help in getting a hat):


 * Putting your existing grenth/dwayna 2009 hat in a Xunlai box
 * Showing your existing grenth/dwayna 2009 hat to the hat npc then deleting it from your inventory
 * Changing characters
 * Logging off and logging back on
 * Closing guildwars and reopening
 * Trying higher numbered districts
 * Trying lower numbered districts
 * Arriving 2.5 hours early
 * Arriving five minutes early
 * Arriving late, but before gifts are given out
 * Waiting until after the gifts are given out and the avatars leave
 * Bashing your head on the keyboard

These are verified by me. I have three accounts getting the hat in parallel on three laptops. On all counts, I got a hat (Dwayna/Grenth/Dwayna) on the very first event at LA. Succeeding events netted me no hat on all three.

- 122.2.214.86 17:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I tried since the first time, I stood in the corner and got the hat, but afterward stood in the center of the other avatar in winning districts and never got that one. I think it's just that the first round in LA worked and something FUBAR'd the code afterward. Leon Drakenhart 17:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Standing on a different circle than the center
 * "Bashing your head on the keyboard" Lmao. --Silverleaf 17:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have also tried most of these without any success. In addition I've tried with and without costumes. I'm running two accounts one with a costume, one without. Draco 17:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was too cheap to buy the costumes so I wasn't able to try it with or without. Thanks for the report. Frankly I was planning to get the costumes after I got both hats for each of my accounts, but well. Lol. - 122.2.214.86 17:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * What don't work is grammar. 74.78.243.178 17:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * kids these days, no respect at all for the sanctity of the english language. 122.2.214.86 17:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to throw a spanner in the works, my other half has costume and grenth hat and got the snowflake crown on his second event trying. Ive only got the Ice shards, and our other accounts logged in atleast a hour before havent got any at all [[Image:user melheihaemathet signature.png]] Melhei Haemathet [ contributions ] 18:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be aware if he performed any sort of ritual or incantation in order to get the other hat? - 122.2.214.86 18:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Making a new section on Talk:Wintersday_2009 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Going to Shing Jea Monastery instead of Kamadan or Lion's Arch.

Well, son of a...
The first year I'm able to be present for the finale, I don't get the hat. The Grenth one is pretty cool, too. But nope. Not for me. I think it DC'd me right at the end, too. Thanks a lot.--  anguard  17:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * could try attending while afk. Lets you stay for 2-3 events depending on when you log in.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 17:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * AFKing won't do me much good if I DC again.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.png anguard  17:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking the only fair thing at this point is to extend the hat event an extra day, once they've repaired things. Anet is pretty good about making up for their mistakes. I trust them.
 * A repeat of two years ago seems more likely. 24.197.253.243 18:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Kamadan Stuck Character Fix
To get your character unstuck from Kamadan: Login to another character, switch districts to Asia/Korean/District 1. Logout and switch to the character that is stuck. That should be it! Dargus 19:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * They just fixed it, but it ended up kicking meny people off the game. FOW, explorable areas, towns/outposts, missons, everything. but i can get on my char now. --69.34.217.148 19:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My theory is that there were just too many idlers that it wouldn't let people with the new build get into Kamadan, so they reset the servers. Knocked EVERYONE off... Dargus 17:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Wintersday Nine Rings Game
Unlike the game of Nine Rings that is highly popular during the Cantha celebrations along the Shing Jea Boardwalk, the Wintersday game does not yield the same expected value (EV) for participation.

In the Shing Jea Nine Rings, players expect to win the same number of tickets/lucky points, regardless of which circle they are in. This expectation is to receive 85 tickets per 90 tickets spent, for a -EV of 5 tickets per 90. Given that people will lose more often in a corner circle (six times of nine) as opposed to the center circle (four times of nine), it makes sense to stay in a corner circle and wait out the variance. This yields additional value of the "Unlucky" title points over the EV of "lucky" title points of 85 points per 90 tickets spent. As noted in the Nine Rings Wiki page (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Nine_Rings), this game will inevitably result in losing their tickets over the long-run.

By contrast, the Wintersday game allows for players to GAIN shards over the long-run. Allow me to breakdown why this would be:

Center ring chosen: Person standing in the center ring will receive 3 shards + 3 Lucky pts. Person standing in a side ring will receive 2 shards and 2 Lucky pts. Person standing in a corner ring will receive 0 shards and 1 Unlucky pt.

Side ring chosen: Person standing in the center ring will receive 2 shards and 2 Lucky pts. Person standing in the side ring chosen will receive 4 shards and 4 Lucky pts. Person standing in a corner ring adjacent to the chosen side will receive 2 shards and 2 Lucky pts. Person standing in a non-adjacent/-chosen ring will receive 0 shards and 1 Unlucky pt.

Corner ring chosen: Person standing in the center ring will receive 0 shards and 1 Unlucky pt. Person standing in the corner ring chosen will receive 5 shards and 5 Lucky pts. Person standing in a side ring adjacent to the chosen corner will receive 2 shards and 2 Lucky pts. Person standing in a non-adjacent/-chosen ring will receive 0 shards and 1 Unlucky pt.

So, looking at those outcomes, we get the following results (on average) per 9 rounds of Wintersday game:

Center ring: 11 shards, 11 Lucky points, 4 Unlucky points Side ring: 10 shards, 10 Lucky points, 5 Unlucky points Corner ring: 9 shards, 9 Lucky points, 6 Unlucky points

As you can see, unless you are specifically chasing the Unlucky title track, it is the most profitable (over the long-run) to always choose the center ring. In the Wintersday variety of Shing Jea's game of Nine Rings, Grenth and Dwayna have granted the people of Tyria and Elona with an opportunity to not only gain from gifts (random Wintersday gifts in inventory) and costumes (winter hats), but additionally give them a game that is structured to award the players, as opposed to causing them to lose in the long-run.

Hat bug has been fixed
^ see above

Still NO HAT
After updating and waiting for the even.. I did not recieve a hat. Was in Distcit LA 17, 35 minutes b4 event. Came back to Computer no hat. Can t there just be a hat giver NPC to collect the hat. I can care less about the gifts.. i like the hats. Gaile, can ya just put hat in the account. Been trying this since 3am central time ! 70.140.25.38 20:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Usil951 Hat bug fixed, Log off and back on and you should be fine. 74.166.44.177 20:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)Dark Aidget

Event Not Starting
Rebuilt the game and waited in LA dis 91. Event hasnt even started there yet, 36 mins late. GRrr. What is going on? ~ Twisties 34
 * It is stated that there is a change that the events dont start in just created districts. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 20:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * District 67 Kamadan hasn't started either. Pretty sure Cyan is right. Flaming Renegade 20:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * At least you can log on! We got kicked off just before the 20:00 event and now get nothing but Code 50. Been trying all day to get a hat without any success... Dorsk 20:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot say that it's a bug, but definitely a design miscount. For example, while in Kamadan on European English districts 1-15 event #5 was in progress, people on districts 16-20 were staying and waiting, and only after some time most of them realised that this event will never come to their districts. Imagine the situation if districts 1-15 would be completely filled up and nobody outside is able to travel there. In my opinion, there are 2 options to resolve this issue: carry out the event on all districts strictly synchronously, no matter when a particular district has been created, or delay the start of event for every new district created before the planned end of event in the initial timetable. I don't think that any of these options is easy to implement, but this could prevent the complaints of players who missed the start... --Slavic 21:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The do over is official
Regina Buenaobra ArenaNet Community Manager made a post on the GuildWarsOnline site and the text is posted below.

We will be re-running the Wintersday event at a future date (TBA).

We apologize to those who did not receive the festival hats at the previous distribution times, and for all the inconvenience caused by the bug.

Regina Buenaobra Community Manager ArenaNet, Inc.

the link to the post is here

So lets go and have a great time knowing that the do over will come and give you more stuff to enjoy. Rockweaver 20:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * why did they post it there before here? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * i am guessing that they dont have people in to update the big official page but our small community fourms are quick to update and the word will get out quickly.Rockweaver 21:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I am new i adding something to Wiki, so excuse me if I do something wrong. But an important matter is, if there is going to be a rerun of the finale, do we need to keep canycane shards in stock ? If there is no official news about this people will not know if they need to save them. Normally after the final I would trade them all in so if someone can help me on this question it would be appreciated. Splendor Simplykind 22:03, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Splendor Simplykind 21:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that by "rerun" they mean the entire finale will be redone, including the nine rings game, so yes shards will be needed in order to win. Unless they're going to do a hat vendor or something, but why else would they have said rerun? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If the event is reduxed the associated drops will probably still be present along with the quests, allowing people to re-acquire the items, also not many shards are needed as if your in the center ring your guaranteed almost to gain shards.--<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 22:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that gift givers and candysmiths will be working at least until rerun and even more if need. So, you can keep some shards and exchange them later. Really, a small amount like 15-20 should be more than enough for a single event, of course if you don't attempt to farm unlucky points. --Slavic 22:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hats
I guess next years hats will be a floating pile of crap? cause thats the way its looking. 90.211.36.116
 * Bah! Quit your Humbugging! Some people actually like these hats (me for one). And they by far beat all the hats we've gotten for the last few years at any event. Lillium 00:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

That's completely not true..I know it's just an opinion but this year's hats we're almost identical as each other, AND there's only two instead of 4. Classic guild wars had 4 hats every wintersday, and 2 on halloween. MANY people were dissapointed this year AS WELL AS Halloween this year. pure...disgust..
 * "Classic guild wars had 4 hats every wintersday"? Only Wintersday 2006 had 4, not every Wintersday. --Silver Edge 03:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually we did have 4 hats this year. You just had to buy 2 of them with money! Flaming Renegade 04:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * well like you im very disapointed with the hats this year -_-.....could have done almost anything else and i would have like....i only have guy chars and i dont even think ill give this to the hat trader cuz it seems like its too "girlish"....anyway hope they give somein better next year if gw2 isnt out by then =\AurenX 08:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as a woman, I really like these hats. There's a shortage of feminine head wear in this game (among other things), and while these are very similar in model, ice shards vs snowflakes is a complete difference in actual item and usability. And um, there were only 4 hats one year, that hasn't happened since four years ago, which was not even the first Wintersday, in what delusion would it happen again? (Minus the costumes, they're bought not given.) Lillium 15:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I dislike Dwayna's hat this year, but I think the Ice Shard one is awesome. Recent hats are definitely a step ahead of the old "lose all your hair" hats.  I don't think I'll ever be wearing the Snowflake one, it just looks like anet took a bent 2d plane and slapped some snowflake textures on it.  But I know my elementalists will be getting a kick out of the Ice Shards.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My male paragon has the dwayna hat as a permanent feature now, its deffinately a look he can pull off. Tidas 21:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Why did everybody die?
When Grenth won everybody in the district died repeatedly. Last year, wasn't it only those who picked up a package who died? That made sense, having everyone die makes the presents unnecessary. Ramei Arashi 05:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Grenth has always sent minions around to randomly kill people after he won. The minions are Grentches that leave trapped presents. Both nothing new. 76.164.111.57 06:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The minions of Grenth strike again! Grenth did want to prolong winter and all... the death of everyone... well, that's just because it's fun for him. Ugg McFly 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

No more duplicate hats?
I am in a district where Dwayna won, but I'm already wearing a Snow Crystal Crest that I had the festival hat maker create. I have already obtained and registered that particular hat earlier. When the fight ended, I did not receive another Snow Crystal Crest in my inventory. I remember having multiple copies of the same hat if I just went AFK through several events in town. Has there been changes, since I presume an update performed earlier already fixed all bugs? - Decollete 08:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging from the bug earlier (which appears to have been an attempt to implement such code) and similar experience with not having to toss half a dozen duplicate hats, this seems to be the case. Seryu 08:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Winning Deity
Any guesses on who won the finale overall? My bet is on Dwayna :) --71.141.237.26 00:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmmm I have to say Grenth because from what I remember, he has won the past 2 years in a row --- Flaming Renegade 02:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Redux could be considered an extension of winter, so I'd say Grenth won. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The one realm I was in, was a few thousand points for Grenth while Dwayna only stayed at like, 40.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.png anguard  16:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text for dieties during the finale
is there a page that shows what dwayna and grenth say during the finale? i can't find it. thanks -- adrin  03:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wintersday Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 03:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * tyvm -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)