User talk:Wynthyst/Archive/Nov 09

Speaking of Wyndows7..
Is it any good? From what I hear, it's loads better than Vista, though I'd like to hear the opinion of a learned person before making a decision. I'm using XP currently, and if you have time, I'd like to know the benefits (if there are any) and the drawbacks (there will be many) of upgrading to 7, or even if it can be called as such?

Yes, I did make a very bad pun. NuVII  16:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I had the beta for awhile, and I loved it even then (I hate Vista with a passion btw). I've heard nothing but good things about Win7, and when I can afford to put together a new box, it's going to be running it. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  16:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are no starting problemms (childhood illness if we call it in Holland ^^) like Vista had in its starting period? -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 16:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not that I've heard of. With the extended public beta Microsoft did, as well as adjusting their stance on sharing relevant coding with 3rd party vendors to develop drivers for hardware, it seems they have worked out most of the kinds of issues that were seen with Vista. Poke would be a better source of info though, I know he's running it on his computer. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  17:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So, what would I gain from going to 7 from XP? NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 17:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If your hardware is up to date, you gain speed, as well as DirectX 10 capabilities. XP does not, and will not ever support DirectX 10. I'm sure there are a plethora of other more technical items, but even on my current XP machine, the beta performed better, programs loaded faster etc. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  17:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Really...
 * Imma pirate buy windows 7 when I make a new machine, then.
 * When you say up-to-date hardware... NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 17:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the newer the hardware, the more benefit you will see as far as performance, because most new hardware was built for the Vista architecture, and Windows 7 has is in that same family of operating systems but improved upon. (ie resource management, power management, etc). XP uses a different base architecture (thus the need for all new drivers for Vista/Windows 7). -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But, is there a great/big/huge difference with Vista? -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 18:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't tell you, since I don't run Vista. Ask poke. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You were still running XP then I guess? -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 18:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * http://en.windows7sins.org/ disclaimer: I like Windows and will be installing 7 when I can afford a nice 1TB hard drive [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 19:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Despite my opinion that you should never ever be using Windows except for the vidya (through a VM if at all possible), Windows 7 isn't that bad. The only thing it really has on other OSes is that Aero thing, though, which even I'll admit isn't so bad. Oh well, at least it's not as bad as OS X (*giggle*). –Jette 08:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * W7 isn't supposed to suck out all your computers power like Vista does. Most people had problems because budget boxes wern't made to run Vista. Im constantly at 40% usage of my 4GB of RAM on my Vista PC. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 12:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ubuntu 9.04 uses up less hard disk space (while copying a lot of useful programs like openoffice and Gimp), boots up and shuts down as fast as windows 7, copies large files faster and a lot of smaller files a little slower than windows 7, also note that Windows vista and/or 7 has a delay up to 30 seconds when deleting files. Most important: Ubuntu is free software. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 16:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's nice Boro, but this is a conversation about Win7, not Ubuntu. :P Also, some of us need to use actual Windows based software, rather than freebies. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  16:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is one simple question: Why? Why do you think that there is a need for Win based Applicationss? --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 17:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I need them to make my living as an instructor, since all my classes are on Microsoft Office, or other Windows based software. I have nothing against open source freebies, but unfortunately, there isn't a public school computer lab here that is equipped with such. Also, many people prefer to have their home machines compatible with work/school machines for ease of transferring data. Show me one major corporation (aside from the open source producers themselves), or major university that is going to be set up with open source software. But this is all getting even further off topic than you were to begin with Boro. If you have something to add, +/- regarding Windows 7 please share. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft has put out imo. Anything XP can do, 7 can simply do better: it runs faster than XP, it boots faster than XP, it's more secure than XP, it has more support for current things than XP, it looks better than XP, it runs 64-bit WAYYYYYY better than XP, etc. Basically, the only reason you can possibly have to not get Windows 7 is the money issue. The 0 day issues are null here because of the extensive beta test, and I've not had a single problem with the OS at all. DarkNecrid 18:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes W7>XP. But its sad how many comments I see of "I have seen nothing but good reviews about Windows 7...but I am not getting it till SP1" :/. --Dominator Matrix  19:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI: all indian state schools use GNU/Linux in the education.
 * following text copied from http://en.windows7sins.org/privacy/ ''"Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) is Microsoft's system for remotely checking your computer. WGA scans various parts of your hard drive to reassure Microsoft that you are running an "approved" version of Windows. WGA is mandatory monitoring system and if Microsoft decides you are not "approved" they can disable your computer's functionality. ...

For Windows 7 they are changing the name of the product to Windows 7 Activation Technologies (WAT), but the functionality remains the same.
 * Microsoft's version of a "Trusted Computing" scheme is called "Palladium". Proprietary programs have included malicious features before, but Palladium would make it universal.
 * Hollywood and the record companies will use Palladium to ensure that downloaded videos and music can be played only on one specified computer and the sharing of 'authorized' files will be entirely impossible."'' - They can check whatever they want on your computer. They can check what you do on your computer. They will be able to read your E-mails and monitor your computer activities. Sooner or later They will gain a complete control of your computer. Your computer will no longer be Yours. And Your children may not be able to reach their full extent because using MS based applications discourages them to study programs' source code, modify programs to meet their needs and so on.
 * Windows 7 can even make Non-windows apps (e.g. firefox) run slower to discourage you from using free software. More than that, Microsoft's goal is to force computer makers to make computers that will only work with windows, and won't let you use other operation systems.
 * really: Really read these windows7sins. Felix linked to you and finally open your eyes: Microsoft's goal is to oppress you. Dont let it to do so.
 * more here. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 19:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * 1. Never trust everything your read on the internet 2. If that was all true then I do believe the EU would be after Microsoft on the front but there not. And no Microsoft cannot make certain apps run slower because they are free (as in freedom) software. Its purely propaganda. Not to mention the website looks like a 1994 geosites run off. --Dominator Matrix  19:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * WGA is to stop/prevent pirating of microsoft products that you are suppose to pay for, they are NOT going to disable computers for running open source/free software. Why is it Boro that in everything you do, you see/believe in the great conspiracy theories of "The Man is going to keep the little people down?" Keep this trash off my page please. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to sound like a wet blanket, Wyn, but it's been documented many times that 'the Man' tries to do over the little guy, as it were. Our histories are full of such incidents, companies and governments manipulating the people to what they want/think is best, even if it's not what the people want.  It happens a lot, though I haven't bothered looking into what Microsoft is up to, maybe because I know there's probably some geeks in basements all around the world capable, 30 minutes from 'The Man' releases stuff, of bypassing all that non-sense.  Gotta lovez dem geeks ^_^  000.00.00.00  20:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I am perfectly happy running Windows and Windows based software. I don't see that changing any time soon. The next box I build will be running Windows 7. Now.. please keep this on topic, which btw.. is Windows 7. Thanks -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Micro$oft is bæd for you. Install Gentoo. –Jette 20:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Drama Llama attack -.- - J.P. [[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  21:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Archive

 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Reflect/archive coulda checked if i have one before saying i dont... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.42.114.191 (talk).
 * Well, you also are required to link it. I will lift your ban if you read the policy. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  13:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * red it...anyway i had problems on linking archive before..was gonna do it later, but did it now...-.- &mdash; The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.42.114.191 (talk) at 13:13, 02 November 2009 (UTC).
 * I've lifted your block, so please login. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  14:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think both of you need to take note of the one-revert rule, but more importantly, Wyn, I think you could've taught by example how an archive should be created (e.g. maybe create the archive, use the archive box), considering Reflect is a new user and probably not accustomed to editing or using templates. Also, autoblocked accounts need their IP unblocked if the account is also unblocked, but I went ahead and did that.
 * That aside, welcome to the wiki, Reflect :). -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe I violated 1RR Pling, I reverted his removal, and added comments explaining he needed to archive. Her reverted, I reverted and added a comment about it being part of policy. Both of my "reverts" actually constitute a change, so, no violation. If you see it differently, please block me, I would rather that than what you just did. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  17:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to 'warn' anyone here, I was just attempting (perhaps not very well) to provide advice. It was a minor part of my comment. I'm certainly not going to block over it. -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you know?
How could i make my signature code shorter? I don't quite like it as it is now. - J.P.  Talk  00:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Would a template work?-- Shew 00:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure templates are against da rulez. You could use apostrophes instead of the , , etc. tags.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 00:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, apparently the reason they're not allowed is because they're easily targeted by vandals.-- Shew 00:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried that each way it should be possible, but all i get are HTML errors :P - J.P. [[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  00:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 *   is the best I can do. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  00:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Wyn ^^ I changed  to to make it even shorter. And it seems i didn't try everything with apostrophes :S - J.P. [[File:User J.P. sigicon.png]] Talk   00:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to point out,  =  so you really didn't save anything. And the shortend color codes don't work with font color, so you need to change it to #000000 or black. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  00:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * – shortest code possible. poke | talk 10:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome :D - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk  11:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Been doing some research for another thing I was working on, and saw that it is recommended to put the formatting tags outside of the and  outriggers.  42 -  talk  19:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (off topic, but compatible with the title of this section)Wyn, if you want a specific example that the global css "white" background isn't working on the white backgrounds for the infoboxes, and to see what it is I am talking about, check out The Northlands for one of many examples, and if lines aren't underneath the infobox, resize the window until they are, and you will see them visible within the borders of the infobox. 42 -  talk  01:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Regina's talkpage
What have you done with it its removed FTW?:S Death Sligher  18:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole namespace is down. - J.P.[[Image:User J.P. sigicon.png| ]] Talk </b> 18:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see more pages are missing on guildwarswiki:( Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 18:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why does everyone spread such things around? We have a bug report page for that.. :/ poke | talk 20:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Obviously, not. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  20:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That link is was red. de   Kooning  20:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why the hell did I write "BUF"? lol.. <_< poke | talk 20:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe they don't know it is a bug. 42 -  talk  19:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

linzee
Responded to all the rants. You could probably remove the protection on her page now that she has time to talk again. :o –Jette  12:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We still have the basic problem that was the root cause of locking it in the first place... it's 350k and breaking browsers. So here's the quandry we face with this question.... do we unlock it and allow people to respond to her answers (thus making the size of the page even bigger and more problematic), or do we leave it locked until these topics are mass archived on Saturday thus eliminating the actual reason it was locked to begin with? I personally am of mixed opinion so a FEW other opinions would be welcome (NO GIANT WALLS OF TEXT PLEASE, keep it short and to the point.) -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  14:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not archive right now? :S-- Unending fear  User Unendingfear Gw2flyingmountsiglol.png 14:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, that would solve most of the problems, even if it goes into a temporary or separate archive so people can actually find it. Most of those topics are closed and require no further discussion. A few might be reopened, but being new topics won't hurt them. Letting the topics sit there locked for a week won't really help anything. <font color="#A55858">Misery  14:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I am hesitant to create yet ANOTHER temp page for Linsey, though yes, if it were understood it's an archive not to be further responded to by her and then perm archived on Saturday.... Would people find the link? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  14:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, done. Let the QQ fest begin..... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  15:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Cookie
i need one,the picture,not the bug(i only need any old picture of a cookie(Biscuit :O),i didnt want to upload Anougther picture).Yes,it IS urgant.-- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250  15:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * File:User Shadowphoenix Cookie.jpg -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  16:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kthxbai.-- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon.jpg 16:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

A little bird told me
Your spies came clean, they told me everything. You are under arrest for assault and the attempted murder of the wiki. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say or do can and will be held against you in the court of The Internet. How do you plea? &mdash; Jon    Lupen  16:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * UM WUT? that's a broken link, and I have absolutely no clue what you are going on about. I dislike nonesensical posts on my page, so can you please try to be clearer in the future? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  16:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Try the link now. The image that's attached to it and the fact that the wiki went down for a short period of time earlier should explain the joke... &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, of course it was me, you can see that in the RC when I unprotected Linsey's talk page. I can't help it that IT can't find/fix the bug that does that when we protect/unprotect pages. I still don't believe this was worthy of noting on my page. (as for it being a joke, it's not, it's just annoying). -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  16:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a joke. If I was pissed or anything, I would have made a huge deal about it and filled several pages with walls of text. I'm just making light of the entire situation. I guess I'll just wave this off as the two of us not sharing the same sense of humor then. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

How did you do that?
Wyn, I have been looking at the source of your user page and your templats, and still can't figure out how you did it. How did you get the "criminal line-up" of characters? 42 - talk  18:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean the image? or the Cast list? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The pictures of what I presume to be your characters. Above your mini-nav bar.  42 -  talk  19:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a photoshopped composite of all of them, using a background I dug out of the .dat -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * File:User Wynthyst banner.png -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that 'splains it (in Ricky Ricardo speak). I thought it was something that the wiki itself could do, composite the pictures if you gave it head shots.  Either way, it looks cool, thanks for, erm, "'splainin" it.  42 -  talk  19:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

How did you do that? revisited
(aka could you do that) I was wondering a couple of things about the category issue. I know there can be subsections, but was wondering, if it isn't, could it be re-organized with minimal work, to have something like Bosses be the main category, then underneath, Bosses with multiple professions, Ranger bosses, etc, stuff like that, but also campaign specific sub categories too, like Proph bosses, etc. I would set it up, and since I am going through a lot of the bosses already, I think this would be a good time to get that in order as well. 42 - talk  03:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Bosses is a subcategory of Category:NPCs by trait. Then there are the subcategories of Category:Bosses - Category:Bosses by profession and Category:Bosses by species. So each profession, as well as the multi profession categories are sub categories of Bosses by profession etc..


 * The tree looks something like:
 * Bosses
 * Bosses by profession
 * Assassin bosses
 * Dervish bosses
 * Elementalist bosses
 * Mesmer bosses
 * Monk bosses
 * Multi profession bosses
 * Necromancer bosses
 * Paragon bosses
 * Ranger bosses
 * Ritualist bosses
 * Warrior bosses
 * Bosses by species
 * Charr bosses, etc.
 * (There are 58 species boss categories I'm not going to list them all)


 * If you wanted to add an additional subcategory to Category:Bosses like Category:Bosses by campaign, that would be relatively easy. But other than that, I'm not really understanding what kind of change you are talking about to the way it currently is. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't know for sure how it was, but it is already like I was hoping, so don't worry about that. Was asking because having to make a whole seperate category for bosses by campaign would make less sense if it was by itself vs. being a subcategory of bosses.  42 -  talk  05:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, already found a couple missing category tags (ele boss, war boss, etc) 42 -  talk  05:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured out how to tag the categories to make them subs, and added the campaign one. Will go through as I do the bosses list and add them as I work on the rest.  42 -  talk  06:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh... when are you going to stop with the Title Case? We do stuff here Sentence case.... please change them. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I corrected the category names - Category:Bosses by campaign, Category:Nightfall bosses. The category Category:Nightfall NPCs already existed. I sub catted the Nightfall bosses to Nightfall NPCs, so there is no need to tag pages as Nightfall NPCs, just as Nightfall bosses. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Just went back through and re-read previous post about title case. I am going to stop using title case when the title of an article is no longer the title of an article.  The "main" name of a category also happens to be the title of that category.  It says in the guidelines that we are to follow the game, otherwise follow English language standards.  That is an English language standard to capitalize main words in a title.  That is how I was taught to do it in school decades ago when I went.  42 -  talk  02:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Monthly date
Is there a possible way to get a comand on wiki to know things by the days (of the month), for example 27 but for months? What I'm trying to get at is User:Halogod35/Theme to change according to a specific date stamp. Example: switches to halloween theme from October 15 through November 5 and then christmas from december 10th through january 15th. --  Halogod35  00:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is, ask poke. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  00:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean, something else than August ??--Fighterdoken 01:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, something like that. It's complicated. -- User Halogod35 Sig.png Halogod35  02:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If I am understanding right, Halo wants the page to say something or look a certain way depending on what the date is. Something that could be set up to happen automatically.  42 -  talk  05:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Question: Heroes in PvP
Hey Wyn, I'm not really sure where to stick this so maybe you can help me move it to the correct spot since you're a wiki guru. Maybe you can even answer it. Since the recent update that removed heroes from PvP, why can you or even what's the point of "buying" heroes with faction from a Priest of Balthazar. Was checking him for skills I have yet to unlock and saw the heroes tab still listed. And from the wiki updates page(s) heroes can't be used in really any form of PvP now. :S Magic   <font color="#0000EB">Talk  03:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * A PvP character can have all items unlocked. That means not only can you see what builds you want to run on your heroes, but you can also see what the equipment would look like (runes, etc). Not much of a bonus, but that's the only advantage I can think of. King Neoterikos 03:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * So basically what you're saying is heroes can now only be used to create builds and equipment sets to plan out builds for your characters. (Little O/T but can a PvP character equip heroes in their party and test their heroes builds out in Isle of the Nameless? Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  03:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe ANet has plans to bring back Hero Battles or something similar in the future. 42 -  talk  18:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Pretty much. King Neoterikos 00:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

ty kind sir
that archiving was very fanciful of you Gladiator Motoko 15:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, Wyn! Since you seem to be watching all this, you might want to check out the last few edits by Motoko. There's NPA, and then there's just boring trolling, which is what we appear to have on our hands. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:31, 6 November 2009  (UTC)
 * * Ma'am - just to let you know. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  15:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Your message on my page
Thanks! Sorry I didn't know how to do that, you don't know how long it took me to just figure out how to upload a picture lol! I pwn you now 22:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's fine. If you need help with images you might want to check out our HELP:IMAGES page. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  23:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

We need you.
Get IG please. Thank you. - Reanimated X 18:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I saw (a bit late) that you edited my User Talk page (Jerone Talk) on the 8th of July this year, I want to thank you sincerely for this. Greetings Jerone Talk

"Maligning"
Noticed yer post on KJ's page, and I won't say whether I condone or condemn your message since I have my own grievances with KJ for possibly similar reasons. I'm just curious if I was the next stop on this warning train? If I'm in the line-up, you can go ahead and tell me ahead of time and I promise not to let it escalate to the point Shard took it to... -- ilr  02:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: I think the guy above me might have an open tag in his sig :0 -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 02:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You could probably take the initiative and keep your behaviour in check if you think it's bad enough to warrant a warning. -- pling User Pling sig.png 13:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no specific plans to "warn" anyone. I think I have made most of my opinions pretty well known around here. While I don't always agree with what ArenaNet does, they are human beings. The staff are employees of the company, and have to work within the guidelines their bosses give them. I have no problem with people making their opinions known, but the constant badgering, and placing personal blame for what you see as problems on individual staff members is just wrong. I know from personal experience what it's like to love what you do, but just have too much of it to do at any given time. You have to set priorities and do the best you can. This will always lead to someone being unhappy. I honestly believe that the majority of the ArenaNet staff do love what they do, and love this game, and this community. Yes, they make mistakes, and sometimes don't fix them as fast or in just the way that people want. I have had many conversations with Linsey when she's been working through the night to finish something, or tearing her hair out because she can't get something to work the way she wants. There have been a few times where she has literally worked herself sick, FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I know how passionate she is about this, and it quite honestly makes me a little nuts to see her getting pounded on on her talk page by people who think she should be at our beck and call 24/7. I just want people to stop and think about what they are saying, and how they are saying it. Would you like to hear it said to you? How would you feel if you had hundreds of people every day telling you how much you fail at something you love to do? What would your reaction be if you had worked 10 days of 16-20 hr days to only be told that you did it all wrong by the people you were doing it for? Constructive criticism is one thing, but wall of text that go on for days is just too much. Ok, I'm done preaching now :P -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What would your reaction be if you had worked 10 days of 16-20 hr days to only be told that you did it all wrong by the people you were doing it for? Constructive criticism is one thing, but wall of text that go on for days is just too much. I don't know, like maybe do it right once and for all and save all the criticism and flaming? Passionately doing something wrong, is just another way of doing something wrong. I understand why it would be vexing when people go on about the failings of anet(sounds like a broken recorder), but then again, if the devs didn't let the game reach this stage, all this drama wouldn't have happened. Do you honestly expect people to swallow it down when the game they like go down the drain? Pika Fan 18:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And Pika, if you really believed when you were doing it that you WERE doing it right? I mean, excuse me, but I don't think that the devs ever actually put the time in they do with the sure knowledge that what they are doing is wrong. Be real. And I didn't say swallow it, I said, give them constructive criticism, but don't make it personal, OR beat it into the dirt. If you are truly so unhappy with what they have done that all you can think about is new ways to tell them they fail (or simply repeat the same thing over and over) you seriously need to find another game to love (or seek professional help for your obsessive compulsive disorder). -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My point is, people aren't going to keep quiet about it. And there will always be people who will give "unconstructive" criticism. You deal with these people by not letting them have a reason to complain, or suck it up because you very well screwed up and deserve it.
 * People tried giving constructive criticism since the start of GW going downhill, I would be very surprised if there wasn't a group amongst them who realized that cotton-candying their words didn't help. Pika Fan 18:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And my point is the those who won't shut up about it, for months and weeks on end on the same subject, with the same message, are the ones I'm going to have issues with. There are plenty of things about this game to still love and enjoy, if you can't find them, find another game, or go outside and play in traffic for all I care, but stop being an destructive force in the community. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wyn, in the end, I think the very definition of "destructive force" will be challenged. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 19:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The drama on this place excites me.
 * /grabs note pad and pen
 * I could so write a book about all this. It's interesting reading these situations, as someone who has has been constructive (I hope) at times, and possibly unconstructive at others, as I have.  It's also interesting seeing when emotions or personal view are expressed and used to justify a stance/belief which may or may not be an entirely accurate representation of reality.  Both sides use it. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  19:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * welp, since you asked me... I got over it and then started learning to avoid getting in those situations in the first place. IE: if no one's paying me to put up with criticism, I simply don't undertake those commitments that "attract an audience" anymore.  The one good thing about ADD is that it's difficult to stay emo and dwell on a negative review when your brain keeps flipping the channel the second you lose focus.  As for "hundreds of people"... good rantin' there, but this is just Anet; not Blizzard, so it's more like half-dozens of people.  Thanks for the answer tho'! (Ie: a tentative "no" at this juncture). -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 21:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Man, kudos on the half dozen stinger, that one made me lol. I know I'll probably get in trouble for encouraging, but it was now worth watching this convo, just for that. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 21:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Anet's trying to sort out GW's broken aspects and going on at them all the time is stupid. -- smøni  22:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have heard it said that some people are only happy if they are complaining about something, and that being said, I have seen some VERY happy people on this site. The problem is, as has already been stated (I am sure by many people) that the people who design things like this game often are put under a time crunch to get it completed, and so, sometimes the end result suffers for it.  I give you for example, the MANY releases and "fixes" of Windows.  It isn't any one person's fault, it happens, get over it.  If you don't like something about it, feel free to say something about it ONCE and move on.  But don't take or make it personal.  A good example of ANet trying to do the right thing (as they are saying) is they are trying to get GW2 right before they release it, and that is the reason given for it taking so long.  I think this shows that they are aware that GW has (and had) issues, and they are trying to prevent that from happening in the future.  42 -  talk  03:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a question
Are you fat? Thanks in advance, Crow. --Crow So Crow 21:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does that even matter? I'll just be the first to ask, why the fuck would you go there, and who cares? If you're going someplace negative with this, I'm going there too. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 21:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Obvious troll post and obvious troll bait are both obvious. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 21:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your point being? Just cause it's a troll post doesn't make it all right to post. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 21:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lern2ignore trolls. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't let things slide just cause they're posted by a clique so conceited that the end of their noses looks distant. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 22:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was unaware I'm part of a group, thanks for pointing that out. --Crow So Crow 22:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Um. Nuke's right. -- pling User Pling sig.png 22:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * well the whale dosen't have to answer....no BIG deal. A question is just that...no HUGE harm intended<font color="#b22222"> X treme  22:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, funny guy. That was really good. Yeah, hilarious. You took a subject that was semi serious and made it somewhat comical by using words associated with overweight people. Nobody would ever have thought to do that. You really are a comic genius, a comedian unto yourself. GTFO. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 23:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm a prolific troll and vandal, but you guys are just being dicks. :/  Really not cool.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I hear, you and Auron think a lot alike. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 23:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I lol'd. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 00:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's quite sad how simple it is to write a sentence and get people all riled up about "not feeding the trolls", as if writing something retarded on purpose makes you immune against ridicule. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">00:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, guys! Let's feed the trolls by not feeding them! Great idea! King Neoterikos 00:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone stop posting here. thx – Emmett  00:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello.
Just stopped by to say thank you. I've been using your templates to flesh out my user and character pages so I just wanted to say thank you for that. Taros 01:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm glad you like them. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I also would like to thank you for what you do. Just noticed some vandalism you corrected in October. So thanks :P--SirBoss 18:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Weight
1-10 thx Ben Tbh 05:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Adding a Keyword search for guild page
Hi there, could you please help me add a META tag or some sort of keyword search to my guild wiki page, I would just like it to show up on google if someone types in Down[UnDA] guild or I Come From The Land Down[UnDA].

Thankyou :)
 * As far as I know it there isn't such a thing. Though when I type in my guild name to Google our guild page here is the first thing on the list. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  01:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Try redirects? Not sure if you can do that tho . . .&mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 02:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirects will have no affect on google searches :P Also, they aren't allowed for guild pages anyway. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * aw man you see all my edits =P &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 05:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  05:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Dialogue
Not rving because I enojoy it, but because the old style has more, and more correct, information. Using the same style for all text means we lose whether the text needs prompting or not, something that can be useful for the reader to know. Backsword 12:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what you mean, considering the changes I made to the dialogue sections provide more variation of style than was there previously. I have not removed any text, so how you can say it was more, and more correct information kinds of baffles me. Basically, all I'm doing is providing consistency to the look and formatting to make it easier for readers to use across the wiki. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried doing the same to To Zen Daijun, Wyn and I'm accused of false information. When the information was always there from the get go. I just fixed it according to the Quests Guideline. -- [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]] riyen ♥ 18:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This isn't the official place to discuss this, but thought I would ask, as I have seen it done on a few pages already. On some of the NPCs the players have to talk to to get quests, I have seen what I don't know how else to call it but a questionbox template, that has the icons (the green check, red circle, etc) automatically placed in it.  If that was put in place for this, should that be applied to all relevant NPC pages?  It would seem to make sense since that appears to be what it was designed for.  42 -  talk  23:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Can you link a relevant page? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  02:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Wyn, you can dump that page
Wyn, I got the boss page design you put up on your sandbox/bosses page. You can dump it now if you want. I have it saved in my area now. 42 - talk  23:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This would be an opportunate time to mention the delete tag. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 23:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This might be a good place for that, however, the page is not a page in my user space, it is in Wyn's. I am not going to mess around in someone else's pages, other than the talk ones.  42 -  talk  20:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

HALP
i needz it...How do i put 2 pictures in a userbox Without them coming out ontop of eachouther?*Giggles*, becuase i love making userboxes and Cant fill out mai ideas with only 1 picture :/-- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250  15:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC) Okai,the first question can wait- what is the code for normal green in preferences 'colour'? (Ex.<font color="#660066") -- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250  18:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Green. And your sig icon is too big. de   Kooning  19:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i know,but at 17px its just lines :/ is 30 alright? -- <font color="#660066" size="3px">Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon2.jpg 19:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's not alright. Please fix it. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * green is #0000FF btw. poke | talk 19:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Green is also color:green and it saves someone having to remember the HTML or wiki hexadecimal codes. Besides which, I believe #0000FF is actually blue, Poke.  I believe green is #00FF00.  42 -  talk  21:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just double checked the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help page, and green is #00FF00. 42 -  talk  21:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhhh, yes, I failed. Don't ask me why though o.O poke | talk 21:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As for your original question, Template:Userbox2 -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  23:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

BMI
25-35+ thx. Ben Tbh 22:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC

Question
Is there a way to turn off the Discussion section on a Guild Page? To where no one can leave comments? Or do i hate to keep removing the comments made by people who just like to hate? Let me know. Thanks in Advance. Kelli  19:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you can't turn it off. If you are having problems with trolls/vandals, post a notice on the Noticboard. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I also think, that in regards to a comment you disagree with, you are not allowed to remove any posts. The only ones who are are the sysops and bcrats I think, and even then, only in extreme cases like racial remarks, and stuff that falls under a certain specific list of things.  42 -  talk  02:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey Wyn
Are you around? I can't seem to find the page on how to make userboxes, I need to know how to change colors on them. Also, how does the new sig strike your fancy? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  23:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Template:Userbox And it's easier on the eyes :D -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  23:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You never told me you didn't like my last one D= -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 23:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a place where the codes for colors are listed? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 23:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * that help? Simzy '' User Truesimzy mysig.jpg 23:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * . NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 23:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wiki color help -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  23:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kk thanks guys -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 23:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:D
The occasion is right :D -- <font color="Green" size="3px">Neil2250  00:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think there is a typo... "happens" or "happened", don't think you can have both. --<span style="color: darkblue; font-family: Old English Text MT, script; font-size:110%">Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 02:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * lol i lawl'd at this one good job neil. Kelli  [[Image:User_Tesla_Kellisig2.jpg]] 04:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiki guild page deleted
Our guild page (Knights of Mysterania ) has been deleted again. The first time I assumed that a former alliance party was taking revenge. So I restarted the page only to have it deleted again. Is vandal tagging it for deletion or did I miss something when I set it up? Apsco 13:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean this page? <font color="#bb00bb" size="3px">~Celestia 13:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It might be because you're looking for Knights of Mysterania. Guild names here must follow in-game capitalization, which won't let you have the word "of" with a lower case "o", so it was moved to Knights Of Mysterania, or here, like Celestia said. ;) -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 13:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Man do I feel stupid :) Thanks Apsco 14:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey Wyn (part 2) aka I need to pick your brain
Wyn, I need to have you take a look at something I am working on, and "assist" with help if you can.

What I am trying to do is make up a template to standardize dialogue that is exactly the same on multiple NPCs. The ideas and notes and examples I have are on my sandbox page. Another problem I am having you will see when you get to the page. I have included page links to the pages being used as templates next to the spot showing what is roughly in each of them. Been getting punch drunk trying to figure this out, so they may be different. Either way, there should be enough there for you to see what I am trying to do. 42 - talk  08:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen it and shuddered. Once again, you are inventing a solution to a nonexistent problem. Using complex templates for main article information is a real turn off to inexperienced users. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your template loop is caused by not actually having a template there, only calling the page it is on. User:42/Sandbox/NornNHPDialogue is NOT a template, but you are calling it like it is, same goes for User:42/Sandbox/NornInitDialogue. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is what I think you are going for. It's a simple transclusion. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What you are doing is not so much creating templates, as creating subpages for transclusion. You have no variables that need to be filled in for each instance. While I understand what you are doing, once again, I don't get the why. The dialogue on these pages is already complete, so why reinvent how they are completed? You would simply be creating multiple subpages (as demonstrated in my sandbox) that would then replace text that is already there. I could understand it IF there was the possibility of that text changing in the future, and having to go and change each page separately would indeed be made much easier by simply changing the text on the subpages and have it be corrected simultaneously on each article page. The reality is, however, it is most unlikely that this text will be changed in the game, EVER. There is no reason for it to. Also, without visiting every article on bounty givers, I can't verify that every bounty giver has the same text. That would have to be checked and verified by visiting EVERY one of them. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to call it a night, will take a closer look tomorrow. 42 -  talk  08:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wyn, I have re-edited my sandbox page, take another look. I have shown 4 different examples (Ogg, Ruven, Durdan, and Sorn) of NPC specific text that would need to be different on each page, and they are from many different map areas.  Also, three of the examples listed at the bottom have no NPC page dialogue section text yet.  The samples I have shown are what the standardized end result would look like.  I am not quite done with the sandbox page, but you can check in a few.


 * It is not so much as the text would change, once it was put in for each specific page, but that is a part of needing the template, as each Norn talked to has a different text line specific to them. The template would allow people to enter it, and have the template do the formatting and add the icons where they are already in-game.  42 -  talk  18:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * And the benefit of creating this "template" is easier than standardizing the formatting how? Indenting and bolding is simple, basic wiki coding, easily fixed by anyone (new or old), while the use of templates, often confuses new users. Again, I see you trying to find solutions to problems that simply do not exist, and in the end would mean a lot of work. Once again, I would like to ask you to just concentrate on completing one project before you move on to something else. I'm still waiting for your boss lists to be moved out of your sandbox into mainspace. While setting up dialogue initially (potentially for GW2W) might be easier with templates to begin with I see no benefit in doing it on GW now. Also, rather than discuss this only with me, you should have made a proposal on the NPC formatting page to see if ANYONE else feels the way you do. As it is, you are doing a lot of work on something that I highly doubt would be wanted by the rest of the community. If you have a standardized format you think this dialogue should be placed in, you should be proposing that and if consensus is reached approving that format THEN work out the formatting solution to achieve it (whether with a template, or by simply standardizing it in the formatting guideline). -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Another thing, we already have Offer dialog. Rather than creating multiple templates (one for each type of bounty giver) it might be easier to simply add an additional parameter that would change the Yes to be whatever bounty image is needed. At least that would limit the number of templates people would need to learn to use. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  20:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I already thought of using that template before reading this, and changed norn init to use it in the first chunk of text. This is not creating a different template for each type of bounty, this is intended only for the Norn NPCs.  Their dialogue is identical, check my sandbox again.  The only difference is character specific parts of the text.  This is exactly like the infoboxes.  They have the design, and the overall layout.  Someone enters in what name the location is for, and a map pic, etc.  This is the exact same thing, except that all the editor would enter is the specific dialogue that applies to that NPC.  You are not going to use a different NPC infobox for a NPC that is in Pre-Searing Ascalon than you are for one in Post-Searing, or one in Fort Ranik.  This is the same exact idea except for a dialogue section that is almost exactly the same on all the pages it would be used on, the only difference is the character specific text on each.


 * In effect, this "could" call the offer dialogue template as well. I am not opposed to that, and had actually considered using that to display the agree/disagree choices.  I just don't know how to get the text entered by the editor to display back in the properly formatted layout.  It would make more sense to make one call to one template instead of 3 different calls to the same template.  If that template makes those calls is not the point, because that is "programmed" once.  If all a person needs to do is enter the character specific text on each page into the template, instead of having to have what amounts to 3 different offer dialogue templates, it would be much easier on entry into the NPC pages.


 * I am not against using the offer dialogue template on the main "bounty Norn NPC dialogue" template, or for the first section. But that is the idea behind the template.  The template provides the outline and the format, and all that is left is to put the specific text in, and have the template do the majority of the work.  If a person still needs to hand enter the text that would be used in potentially 3 different offer dialogue templates, that actually makes it harder than just hand entering the format.  Not that the offer dialogue is a bad design, it is just this template is designed to cover more than just that.  I have even asked Dry to take a look at my idea, since judging by the history,  he or she is the author of the offer D template.


 * The idea behind a template is to make use of something that is repeated on many pages, and make it so that, if it is the exact same thing, the template makes it easier to ensure that same thing applies everywhere. This happens to be an interactive template, as the infoboxes are, that allow the editor to enter page specific information, and still have the layout show up exactly the same way.  42 -  talk  22:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess that once again, you are choosing to ignore the advice that is being given. Please propose the changes on the appropriate formatting guideline page. As I said, it's very unlikely this change would be approved. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  17:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Gordon_Ecker/Block_reviews#Festooned_Twinklepixie
Wait, i don't get it... Are you actually saying that it is ok for a user who has been banned for 3 months to just come when 1/3 of that time has passed and willing and openly bypass his ban just to be "funny and make you laugh"?

Who are you and what did you do with Wyn?.--Fighterdoken 18:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He amuses her, so the usual rules magically stop applying. - Auron 18:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm? The account was created while Grinch was NOT blocked, and had 4 edits while he was, none of them trolling, or vandalism. I don't see the purpose of keeping this account blocked. If anything, the account should have been blocked for the same amount of time as his main account was, not perma'd. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron, if that were true, I would have perma'd you long ago, you ceased to amuse me months ago. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  18:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * THAT is the kind of argument i would like to see when discussing the reversion of a perma-ban, "his main was blocked for xx time, so his sockpuppet should have been blocked for the same amount given that yadda yadda...". I actually find saying things like "unban because he is funny to me" pretty insulting to the community.--Fighterdoken 18:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I find the entire "oh hey guise let's unban people who were trolly enough to get perma'd" page pretty silly, personally. The premise "hm well they could have changed" is pretty stupid, since they were given enough chances to be not dumb after the first dozen blocks.  The ones who are supposed sockpuppets should also remain blocked, since a "real" user who got blocked accidentally would have either A) mailed somebody with the mail function or B) become butthurt and never come back, voiding the purpose of unblocking them.  Finally, vandals are vandals and should stay blocked because they're, y'know, vandals.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Jette, that was almost entirely irrelevant to this section. <font color="#A55858">Misery  19:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How so? He's agreeing with Fighterdoken and extending that agreement to the situation in general. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 19:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because none of the blocking situations he describes apply to Grinch and Twinklepixie at all. I said almost entirely irrelevent, not entirely irrelevant. <font color="#A55858">Misery  19:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say irrelevant at all, though he stated examples that weren't under the topic, he still addressed the issue. I can't find any info on those two users anyway. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 19:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I shortened both names, User:Mgrinshpon and User:Festooned Twinklepixie. <font color="#A55858">Misery  19:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in my comments (TWO comments) to deny my personal bias in this case, in fact I think I made it pretty clear that I am biased. My initial comment indicates that I felt that the perma ban on this account was bad from the start, I'm sorry I didn't elaborate my reasons for feeling that way in the same manner that I did above, but it was my intent. I don't believe that just because someone has personal feelings in an issue, their arguments are less valid than someone else's, in fact I believe just about the opposite. I have in no way abused or invoked any sysop powers here (except jokingingly responding to Auron's comment above), I have not unbanned, nor have I even requested, let alone brought this petition for review. I'm sorry that indicating support for a friend that makes me laugh, who has done nothing harmful to this wiki with his main account since he was unblocked in July, is seen as a bad thing to the point of being pretty insulting to the community. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, my comments regarding my personal connection to this account was in direct response to the assertions that this account was made with malicious, and disruptive intentions, it wasn't, as Grinch has confirmed with his comments. The fact that my personal bias is being used against the lifting of this ban, while others' personal biases are being used to keep it is really ironic. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]]  talk  21:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's just me, but i haven't seen the bias as "personal" more than as "situational". User was banned, user used a sockpuppet, sockpuppet was banned for eternity. That is pretty much standard procedure for any case of ban evasion.
 * As you say, the situation may differ a little from simmilar cases in that the sockpuppet account existed prior to the ban in question, which is why you should try to make this one of the points instead of insisting on "unban because it did no damage".--Fighterdoken 21:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because the arbitration ruling didn't already clearly state how sysops were supposed to go about dealing with Grinch and his socks. Reading is a very difficult skill to learn and use, right? Pika Fan 22:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Haunted quest enemies
I was doing Haunted and taking pictures of the quest-specific enemies for their pages. There were no Regret_(monk), but there was an Anguish_(necromancer), which wasn't linked to on the Haunted quest page and in fact was only linked to on a user's archived talk page. I removed the Regret (monk) link and added an Anguish (necromancer) link to the quest page. I think someone just got mixed up and there isn't really a Regret (monk), so could you delete the page? Also the Sorrow page should probably be named Sorrow (mesmer) to keep in line with the rest of these enemies, could you please move/rename it (or can normal users do that?)? Thank you. <font color="#008800">Manifold 04:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the notation of the profession is because there is already another page Regret in existance. So the Sorrow page is correctly named. It's possible that not all of the various forms show up each time the quest is done, so I am hesitant to put a delete tag on anything until it has been confirmed by more than one person. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Invited
Kelli  09:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong game hon :P  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  19:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Wyn just to let u know we changed the date to the 30th if you would like to come. Ad Koda not it's not i used it on purpose. ^.^ Kelli  [[Image:User_Tesla_Kellisig2.jpg]] 01:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Sowwie
for being an Uber bad anoyance...(Spelling can go to hell :| ) like always-its my fault for not controling myself,i suppose the mantis pictures arnt bad...*Grabs cosmetic antenai*(For the mantises...duh ^_^).-- Nei l2250. 19:13, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Darn kids!
so I herd you got bitten on the ass by those that cannot wallow and delight in your carebearism. You know, it helps to call them out for the idiots they are being and then /ignore the rest of the whining. NuVII
 * Oh, I know... but a girl has to amuse herself somehow! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Wishing...
Hi Wyn, Just stopped in early, to wish you a Safe & Happy Thanksgiving! PS. Have some Pie and some  Apple Cider MystiLefemEle 10:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Little help?
I'm trying to make a collapsing section in my userpage, but I haven't been able to. Would you mind taking a look at my character page here? Rhaegar Lannister is the page. I basically want to have the collapsing section on the Titles list -- Large 01:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, first off, to do the collapsible thing, you have to have a table with a minimum of 2 rows. So, you would need to change your template, remove the Titles earned text, and transclude a separate titles subpage, like User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/test. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  03:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, I can't make it work right, since you have all that fancy stuff in your template, but something like: User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/test/example &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wynthyst (talk &bull; contribs) at 04:36, November 26, 2009 (UTC).
 * Thank you very much. That's what I needed I think. I'll check the example you put and fiddle with my coding. Very much appreciated, Wyn. --[[Image:User Large sig.png|talk]] Large 20:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Hope your Thanksgiving is good. Drogo Boffin 15:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Dammit I want the unsigned template! -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy thanks giving Kelli  [[Image:User_Tesla_Kellisig2.jpg]] 00:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars Guru Auctions
You run/work with GWG Auctions don't you? Do you know why Auctions keep staying open after bidding ends? Also, (yesterday) when I was browsing through the "ending soon" auctions, all of them were marked as closed.. even after refreshing. :S Just curious as to what going on. :S *Happy Holidays* Magic   <font color="#0000EB">Talk  21:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Guru is bæd ok. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 21:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i had a problem biding on guru as well a cople of days ago i did check the numbers were right but it wouldnt let me submit it it just refreshed each tiem i pressed submit -- Nick 123  User Nick123 sig.jpg 22:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, she does. There is a thread about it. - Mini Me   talk  23:27, 27 November 2009
 * Thank you very much Mini Me. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] <font color="#0000EB">Talk  03:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was out all day, and it appears Inde took care of the problem. For some unknown reason, our cron job keeps hiccuping. Please feel free to bring it to my attention anytime you see it happening, either with a pm on Guru, or a message here. Thanks! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild page...again :)
Hi Wyn, thank you for the answer to my wiki question about the guild page (Guild:I Paladini (historical)); unfortunately, I cannot move the page because my account does not have a sufficient number of days/edits. Could you just move the page from historical to "active" for me? Thank you! Ciao!

--Beren78 08:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done Guild:I Paladini -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Question
What is the IRC, or something along those lines? I remember seeing people say things like " I left you a message on the irc" or something like that. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  08:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * # gww on irc.gamesurge.net -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Wyn!  - Festooned Twinklepixie  12:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

restore
Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4, they weren't orphaned, he just used an external link (http://wiki.guildwars/blah/blah/Image) &mdash; <font color="#7777CC">Balistic  18:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Restored. You might want to post such requests on the noticeboard in the future.. poke | talk 18:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Help Me Please!
I need help with user boxes on my user page and Drogo Boffin told me you could do this well. Merri Weathers 22:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What do ya need help with? I could help too ;D-- Unending fear  User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 23:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So can Helpers.<font color="Black"> -- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 23:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For deleting that page. - Reanimated X 09:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the template help
I'm still trying to get the minutiae of template creation down. Your help is appreciated. Terryn Deathward 16:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)