Talk:Game updates:February 2010

A story about guildwars.

Once upon a time there was some srsly imba shit called ursan.

After a solid year of abuse anet finally nerfed it.

Then an even lamer skill came along, called Shadow form.

After a year of abuse anet did nothing.

A skill balance every 2 months would have sorted it, yet 6 months with no update.

The End Reaper94 20:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd give it a month.-- Flaming Renegade [[Image:User Flaming Renegade User-Flaming Renegade.jpg|16px]] 23:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, you mean that all the enemies couldn't turn into bears too, each with the strength of 20 bears? Hmmm... that does seem srsly imba imo. It seems like perhaps the thing that is keeping some players coming back to guild wars is to see if the nerf has happened or not. Mswheele 00:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of 'nerfing' anything. Then again, I'm not a socialist. User:Jervoodoo
 * SF came before Ursan smarty Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * $ cowsay -f murka FUCK SOCIALISM –Jette 22:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * $ cowsay -f murka FUCK SOCIALISM –Jette 22:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * lol lol Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC) what

Nice work
Actually these last update whas a goood idea, so you decide to reduce the r-spike, dual para and other builds and for example not touch those lammer things like the SA (a Must-nerf build btw...), ok you make a good thing with the blood spamm shit, but it still suck the way chosen...-ragesigned --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.156.37.177 (talk).
 * And in one sentence, he goes from complimenting the good idea to noting that it still sucks. | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 21:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

so much shit to abuse now. they just created another sway by buffing SW tbh--Delgado 22:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

2/11/10
UPDATE!!!!!!! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably nothing important... just CNY preparation. Previously Unsigned 22:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Noooooooooooooooooo Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Once upon a time ArenaNet claimed that the festivals had been entirely automated, a process which took 3 or so months of update-less work. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 22:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's february and it's thursday, what's going on. :( Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 23:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * i smell fail i also was under teh assumption it wud be automated 127.0.0.1 23:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * With the recent lack of Arenanet, you know, doing anything, you know it's bad when even the trolls don't see them as a viable time-consuming target. 118.92.163.225 23:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

2-15-10
So once again they do not tell us what they changed. Ramei Arashi 16:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably Nicholas and taking down the CNY stuff. Previously Unsigned 17:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Noooooo!
Oh no... You nerfed the 600 build. I liked that build too. Now we shall all just have to work harder and get more creative... Ah well. :) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Wolfkitten (talk).

2 BUGS found

Ancestors Rage still says doing lightning damage, though the skill clearly does armor ignoring damage when tested as promised in the skill buff.

If you recast Soul Twisting before all charges from an earlier cast is used yup, ONLY the duration will reset, no new charges gained.

Cast Soul Twisting. Then use 2 out of 3 charges. Recast Soul Twisting, buff ends after 1 charge more used and not 3 more as expected. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:NeferJackal (talk).
 * Please take your comments on the 2/25/2002 update to: Feedback talk:Game updates/20100225. Thanks! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Dwarven Battle Stance
Elite Stance. For 5...10...11 seconds, if you are wielding a hammer, you attack 33% faster, you gain +40 armor, and your attack skills interrupt foes when they hit.

And you updated it up in both PvE and PvP, OP much? What the hell? --217.153.126.66 08:25, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Or you could run dhammer and qknock like a real player, which is what I'd rather do. -- Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 08:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Only 50% maintainable. Still, yeah, it's probably going to be abused. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 08:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Doubt it anyone will bother with what can they run to look better, rather use whats more over-powered. And Im really scared to PvP on my monk right now. And 10 second cooldown + good timing = ouch 4 second knock-downs and interrupts, here they come... --217.153.126.66 08:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Scared to PvP, never knew you could be that. --Manassas  [[Image: Ritualist-tango-icon-20.png]] 11:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to run this all the time and actually liked it better, its junk now. Had to throw a whole mess of builds I had made out the window when they ruined hammer skills :/ Nay the One and Only [[Image:User Nay the One and Only SIG.png]] 08:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

RAAAAAAAAAWR!!!!!!!!
Holy Wrath nerf.... RUINED everything.... now every 600 monk is guna have to become 55 monks and then thats guna get raped too. WHY?!?!?! Chibot2000 12:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * well actualy the 600 can still work but it would be pain inducingly slow...instead of a like 100 somin dmg per hit, the smites hits will do a 100 somin spike at the beggining if u keep holy wrath, and then like 50 after that(depending if you bring dmg buffs)AurenX 15:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Flesh - Blood Necros Great, Great Loss!
Finally find a great blood build and they absolutely demolish the core skill. Worst nerf for Necros since they limited minions to 10.--Dockvudu 20:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The idea of it was good but the actual functionality of the skill is rubbish now. Nay the One and Only [[Image:User Nay the One and Only SIG.png]] 08:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Well they killed the SF farmer
Its a total remade but i guess it was to good to be true... Now how will we farm Tomb of the Primeval Kings? Also ive for the latest 3 months (i know its slow) trying to get the skill+equipment for the Perma Sliver and then: THIS!!!--mlw640 (o_O) 16:32, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A large change/nerf was announced more than three months ago :P | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 20:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Go back to the Ranger BP (Barrage/Pet) that used to dominate Tombs? 75.120.255.154 08:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I say its about damn time. And its abuse is what led to this, nothing more. It broke the market, plain and simple. The cool stuff in the hard areas are supposed to be HARD to get, not a button-mashing cakewalk. Nay the One and Only [[Image:User Nay the One and Only SIG.png]] 08:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Stupid
600 smite is crappy now, put it back. All I say... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Rss122 (talk).
 * That was one of the points of the update, so... Probably not going to happen. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the notice at the top of this page. If you wish to comment on a specific update, please go to the appropriate update page. Thanks! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

These are all about the latest updates. Shouldn't they be here instead of individual skill pages? Just wondering...--Dockvudu 22:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This section was moved from Talk:Game updates (as noted at the top of this section) and discussions about specific updates, such as the February 25, 2010 update, should occur on that update's talk page. See the notice I added to the top of this page. --Silver Edge 23:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

26th?
what was it for?AurenX 00:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * nvm it was addedAurenX 02:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I am totally against the new update and every single update to this game that involves nothing more than a demonstration of power. It would be great if Anet would used this same kind of effort into banning unethical game behaviors, the development of new skills, or even environmental changes, ...but changing skills is plane pathetic, it demonstrate the lack of creativity of a degenerating franshise. Honestly does the use of a certain skill combination for a desire "in game" purpose hurst anyone? nothing was stoping the community from creating a sin, or a 600 monk...but now, everyone is affected; directly or indirectly. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.200.76.35 (talk).


 * Oh no the game is harder now! What will I ever do? --206.248.167.92 19:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you well for all this wasted time…
Hello, I am a French player; please excuse me in advance not to suitably express me in your language. I have played Guildwars for 57 months and I really very wanted to say to you what i think of the recent modifications of the skills brought to the play GuildWars. While hoping to have translated my remarks as well as possible, I thank you for comprehension and your listening.

I will start with this quotation of Regina Buenaobra who is part of the development team of GuildWars :

''“After careful evaluation, we concluded that it wasn’t possible to redeploy the Xunlai Tournament House at the level of quality that our players expect without completely rebuilding it from scratch. To do that, we’d have to take away vital resources from the Guild Wars 2 team. Given the circumstances, we decided it was more important to keep our focus on Guild Wars 2, and permanently retire the Xunlai Tournament House.”''

On the other hand, it was decided to so deeply modify skills of GW1 that this play loses of it instantaneously any interest for most of the players.

I still add that these modifications come precisely on a particularly inappropriate date, i.e. at the time of an event which makes it possible in gathering points of faction so long and so hard to gain without than by the method of the duo 600/Smite, what a joke!

I do not understand this strategy of the double talks which consist in saying that it is necessary to focus on the development of GW2, and thus to stop the Xunlai Tournament House, and other hand to say that it is necessary to modify radically competences of play GW1 in order to make it wrongfully captivating or attractive and this to a few months on arrival of GW2…

Imagine that you ask to your salesman to improve your computer, and when you recover it, no more software functions suitably without any possibility of recourse against your salesman… It would be necessary then for you to all start again! Purchases and installations of new software like new adjustments! Thank you well for all this invaluable wasted time!

I invite here in a friendly way our friends of the development of GuildWars or ArenaNet or NC Soft also, to be thought of the following French proverb :

To saw the branch on which i currently sat.

And which wants to say :

To attack with a situation from which one however profits or people from which one however benefits.

Because the players of GW1 are also of potential customers of GW2, and in spite of what you calculated or thought, a great majority of them are very dissatisfied with your recent modifications of skills…

Cordially.

Bonjour, je suis un joueur français, je vous prie de m'excuser à l’avance de ne pas m’exprimer convenablement dans votre langue. Je joue à Guildwars depuis 57 mois et j’avais vraiment très envie de vous dire ce que je pense des récentes modifications des compétences apportées au jeu GuildWars. En espérant avoir traduit au mieux mes propos, je vous remercie de compréhension et de votre écoute.

Je vais commencer par cette citation de Regina Buenaobra qui fait parti de l'équipe de développement de GuildWars :

''“Après une évaluation minutieuse, nous avons conclu qu'il n'était pas possible de redéployer la Maison de tournoi de Xunlai au niveau de qualité à laquelle nos joueurs s'attendent sans la reconstruire complètement à partir de zéro. Pour ce faire, nous devrions prendre les ressources essentielles de l'équipe de GuildWars 2. Etant donné les circonstances, nous avons décidé qu'il était plus important de concentrer notre objectif sur GuildWars 2, et retirer de manière permanente la Chambre de tournoi de Xunlai. ”''

En revanche, il a été décidé de modifier si profondément les compétences de GW1 que ce jeu en perd instantanément tout intérêt pour une très grande partie des joueurs.

J'ajoute encore que ces modifications interviennent précisément à une date particulièrement inopportune, c'est à dire à l'occasion d'un évènement qui permet d’engranger des points de faction si difficilement long à gagner autrement que par la méthode des duo 600/Smite, quelle fanfaronnade !

Je ne comprends pas cette stratégie du double discours qui consiste d’un coté à dire qu’il faut se concentrer sur le développement de GW2, et ainsi donc de ne plus poursuivre la Maison de Tournoi Xunlai, et d’un autre coté à dire qu’il faut modifier radicalement les compétences du jeu GW1 afin de le rendre faussement attractif et ce à quelques mois de la sortie de GW2…

Imaginez que vous demandiez à votre vendeur d’améliorer votre ordinateur, et que lorsque vous le récupérez, plus aucuns logiciels ne fonctionnent convenablement sans aucune possibilité de recours contre votre vendeur… Il vous faudrait alors tout recommencer ! Achats et installations de nouveaux logiciels ainsi que nouveaux réglages ! Merci bien pour tout ce précieux temps perdu !

J’invite ici amicalement nos amis du développement de GuildWars ou d’ArenaNet ou de NC Soft encore à réfléchir au proverbe français suivant :

Scier la branche sur laquelle on est assis.

Et qui veut dire :

S'attaquer à une situation dont on bénéficie pourtant ou à des personnes dont on tire pourtant profit.

Car les joueurs de GW1 sont également de potentiels clients de GW2, et en dépit de ce que vous avez calculé ou pensé, une grande majorité d’entre eux sont très mécontents de vos récentes modifications.

Cordialement. - --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:French Player (talk).
 * That's impressive for wiki standards. However, I do not agree with you on some points. They stopped the XTH because they weren't able to fix it with the men power they have at the moment. And, thereby, in my opinion you can't look at the same way to an game functionality and skill balance. Skill balance is essential (that I should ever say that) for a game its lifetime. XTH was an additional functionality in the game, and however some people don't like the fact that it's gone, the game can perfectly run without it.
 * That they focus on GW2 is in my opinion common sense. GW2 need to be better then GW1 on many points if you want to get players from GW1 interested but also new players who never played the Guild Wars games. And, however many people say that, they didn't forget GW1, which is proved in the last update (and that will be opposeed by many people too).
 * (Many excuses for my poor knowledge about the english language.) -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 19:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

TL;DR --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.232.15.215 (talk).
 * yea im not to sure about the xth, i never used it...but your complaining because the took 600/smite away...so now u have to actually try to get certain titles? are u complaining that they made the game more challenging?...personally i believe it was long overdue, builds like perma and 600/smite just ruin the game because they make everything too easy. yes now the price of stuff is going to radically change but imo its for the better. and also on the gw2 note, im not sure about you but i would much rather have them focus on that so that its not pushed back even farther.AurenX 05:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * His point was that they say they're guna focus on GW2, and then rape GW1 with nurfs. Although I agree some builds are imba, the economy is based on how much you can make from grinding, so constantly nurfing skills means that a handful of people exploit a build and make loads of money, then it gets nurfed and the skill is ruined for regular players. This causes massive fluctuasions in the economy.
 * I bought a new set of armor, dyed it black, stuck all the runes/insignias on, got all the skills for 600, kitted my heros and used it once before it got nurfed.
 * In all honesty if they're going to do stuff like this in GW2 I really can't be bothered to put the hours and effort in to then have it ruined because some little girls are crying about imba skills :/ Chibot2000 22:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they are doing exactly what they need to do. Yes I disagree with a large number of the most recent nerf/skill changes, but it was our own faults, that's what everyone is overlooking. Abuse of the resources we had for gluttonous gain has netted our reward. And yes I am glad they are working on GW2 more. Please god work on it! I'm sick of seeing it pushed back again and again. I encourage Anet to continue working at GW2, and to hear our constructive thoughts for skill balances. I am sure if we quit whining like little spoiled children we can get the skills adjusted to a happy medium where they still function well but won't make us all stupid rich with minimal effort. As of yet I have seen very little suggestions with solutions to the problems, and more complaints and whining, and boo-hooing. If these nerfs purge the game of the lazy players that forgot how to truly game, then good. You won't be polluting my GW2. And that is my rant for the day. Feel free to make fools of yourselves and flame me on my talk page Nay the One and Only [[Image:User Nay the One and Only SIG.png]] 09:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You have played GW for 57 months and think now that it was all wasted time? Then why didn't you quit earlier? Even if the changes now prevent you from having more fun with the game you still had those 57 where you kept playing and probably did have your fun. So you really shouldn't say that this is a bad game or whatever, after all that bad game was able to keep you playing for 57 months.
 * Also I don't know one who was disappointed with the update. All the farming nerfs were announced long before and people had enough time to be prepared for it, and in the end most of the players I know, who were spending most of the time doing exactly that what was nerfed now (UWSC etc), are really happy with the update and the new challenges. poke | talk 12:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Wee
Undocumented update? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ... O_o &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wewps Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 23:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)