Talk:Prestige armor

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Elite Armour / Prestige Armor

I had a few problems finding this page. IMO the word elite armor "as it is otherwise known" should be included in the main page. Then a search for elite armour might turn this page up higher in the ranking. A titled page with a redirect would do this even better though. Sorry I dont know how to go about this sort of thing, so I will leave it to those who do.

I just removed the comment "though it may be difficult or even impossible for you to purchase the armor without ascending first." You don't need to ascended to buy the armour, there is no "official" ascension in NF and in Prophecies you can just get a run to Margan's Grotto and you can buy your armour. Gaile has 15k armour and still hasn't ascended (afaik). -- Scourge   01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaile's account is not necessarily a good example here, as her account bears several modifications which enable her to talk in a different color, have the only frog minipet in the game, enter any district regardless of population, and such other effects which are not available to a player with any retail version of the game. Needless to say, she could simply have had the armor added to the account or had all the materials and coin edited in.  Not to insinuate that she hasn't, but Gaile really wouldn't need to earn her items, and rightfully so because she is an in-game representative of aNet, and should truly stand out from everyone else, displaying the hardest to obtain items, and such to help motivate players into achieving goals.
 * On the matter of "Prestige" armor, I do not feel that there should be limitations as to what armor set(s) a player chooses to display...my vanity armor(s) are all very very ugly. So much so that I never use most of them and I do not feel they are worth owning, regardless of what they cost, or are "worth", when they are simply going to take up space.  I also like to combine parts from various campaigns to give each of my characters their own unique look (ie: Shing Jea gloves and boots, Canthan skirt, and Istani robes, all dyed basic blue on my favorite elementalist character)  Simply dying a different color does little to achieve the unique appearance I desire, and there's only so many possible combinations still.  There are a few elite armors in Elona that are nearly identical to the standard, and to display them I have paid the extra on a few of my characters.  But, it's not a matter of money or materials to me (seriously, I have well over 800 platinum, all the materials needed, and all the "toys" I have ever wanted)...I'd like to be able to pay the difference in cost to make my chosen armor "prestige", and display the armor I beat the campaigns wearing.  Where's the fun in having 5 million characters all looking identical to each other?  Besides, how monumental is armor that has never seen battle?  Gwynna Vive 22:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I got 15k druids without ascending. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 22:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Who hasnt these days? ~ Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 13:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Official name
Once the hall of monuments it out, this page should be moved to the name used in the descriptions of the monument of armor. It will be probably be 'ascended' or 'elite'. MithranArkanere 10:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ascended was phased out and replaced with elite to avoid conflicts, although not all prestige armor types are named elite. We'll have to see how they name them, but I don't think this page will need to be moved. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 10:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Two things define the prestige armor: 1) the player's mind, what they think it is nicer/more expensive/etc 2) the game itself: prestige armor sets (feet/leg/vest/hand) can be displayed in HoM, common armor sets can not be displayed. In the case of W/Mo/N/E/A (but not the other professions) these two definitions contradict each other: a full set can be crafted (feet/leg/vest/hand) for 10k yet it can not be displayed in HoM. The question is we go with what people think what PA should be or we accept what the game itself says. --Brainless Thought 21:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why does the definition need to change now that the HoM is in the game? There is one case in which the HoM is inconsistent and there is reasoning behind that. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Because if the game is changing...?? I believe I just explained that the reasoning is false. Whether or not it was intended is another question, but it is aside the point. --Brainless Thought 07:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * HoM doesn't define prestige armor. The definition hasn't changed. Prestige armor is more expensive than regular armor and is generally harder to get. That is the definition. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 07:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * iawtc. - Auron 07:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, prestige armor is based on cost and availability. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 07:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not convinced, probably because I never bought a prestige armor before, just because it is expensive...I guess that's just me, but if you all think this is the way it should be, fine, I will not try to refine the category. We have to keep adding "except deldrimor, silver eagle and special armor pieces" to all the monument articles to resolve the confusion then...oh well. --Brainless Thought 14:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Necessary?
It seems to me that Prestige Armor is a complete waste of money. My comment here is, in fact, legitimate. How is it legitimate? Well, Prestige Armor gives you absolutely no additional benefits or abilities whatsoever and is purely cosmetic. Why spend thousands when you can get the same protection for less than 1/10 the price? It comes off to me as sheer stupidity. Same as titles. Purely to feed one's ego over achievements in some video game, and contributes to an ultimately large amount of nonrefundable waste of time you could have spent with your wife or children. --68.207.156.253 22:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee
 * Its just a goal for people who want to "finish everything". By having lots of titles and prestige armor to act as sink holes, it keeps the economy running, because otherwise money people farmed would flood the market and make new players impossibly poor just because they haven't been farming for three years.Crimmastermind 22:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed, elite armor is an economical sinkhole. Some like to buy expensive weapons, others will buy mini-pets (which I really don't understand, much like you). Personally, I buy elite armor for many reasons, although looking good is one of them. You may see it as a waste of money, but honestly, what else would you spend it on? According to your logic, nothing, because I'm assuming your stance is the same on rare weapons, and you don't care about titles, so investing in drunkard or sweet-tooth aren't options either. That leaves you with kits, which would only serve to identify, thus working either towards the Wisdom title, or to make more money off the golds, which brings us back to the beginning. Besides, for many of us, this is a good way to pass the time, because not all of us are actually married (and/or have kids), nor are some of us ready/willing. And with all the time I waste in my everyday life (if you don't consider, for a moment, video-games to be a waste), then is this really that much of a waste? Regardless, this is a discussion about prestige armor, not anything else, so I'll get back to the subject. People buy it for the same reason you would buy an expensive suit, or that you'd spend X amount of time every morning trying to make yourself presentable.--99.241.76.164 22:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

anyone mind if i make a prestige armor gallery?-- Zesbeer 05:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The Elite Armors as a friend suggested might be more appealing to others if they had something that made them "POP" in comparison to the other armors. He suggested either a second insignia or rune slot. I suggested maybe a special effect that might not be normally available to a particular profession, necromancer gaining a bonus against domination skills, or a bonus inherent to the armor style, elementalist armors like the elite flameforged gaining a bonus against fire damage. I guess it falls in the vein of making it worth the money instead of an ego show.Ravion Hawk 06:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Not expensive enough.
I bought two sets of prestige armor for my Dervish (Ancient, dyed white, and Monument, dyed red+brown), and I still have over 45 left over. Prestige armor really needs to be a lot more expensive. I think all prestige armor should be as expensive as Vabbian, at least. It's not very prestigious if it's very affordable. --Aldarik 23:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because YOU can afford it doesn't mean every player can. 24.233.254.51 23:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying every player can afford it. I'm saying it doesn't take long to get this armor. I'd just like to see it more expensive. --Aldarik 23:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * All right then, ask ANet to make your armor more expensive, and leave it the same for the rest of us. It's a win-win!  Elysea  [[Image:User_Elysea_ElyseaSignatureImage.jpg|19px]] 00:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're basing the expensiveness of an item on a shitstain economic system. Next time you try to make a suggestion, think about what you're saying first. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Armor Restrictions
In the Factions section, two prestige armors (Elite Exotic and Elite Imperial) are restricted to "Assassin and Ritualist only" and are duly noted.

In the Eye of the North section, the restriction on Silver Eagle armor is noted as "unique to warriors"

However, in the Nightfall section, two prestige armors (Elite Sunspear and Primeval) are unavailable to Assassins and Ritualists, but this restriction is _not_ noted.

On the other hand, Vabbian and Ancient are available to _all_ profession, yet it is noted as "Available for Assassins and Ritualists" which seems unnecessary.

Other armors which are available to _all_ professions do not include a similar note.

For overall page consistency, I suggest making the following changes reflecting the restrictions (bolded for emphasis only):

Nightfall

 * Elite Sunspear armor crafted by Ahamid at the Command Post after completing Building the Base: Prisoners of War. (Not available for Assassins and Ritualists).
 * Vabbian armor crafted by Mateneh at The Kodash Bazaar.
 * Ancient armor crafted by Palmod at the Bone Palace.
 * Primeval armor crafted by the Keeper of Armor in the Throne of Secrets after completing the final mission of the Nightfall campaign. (Not available for Assassins and Ritualists).