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Pledge To Felow Guild leaders: Please avoid tagging your Guild as a single nationality Guild. It is completely wrong to create, promote and maintain categorization by real nationality within the game universe. Wanted or not the Game is called Guild Wars. Actively promoting categorization guilds by nationality within Wiki especially with coming up Guild Wars 2 (GW II) release where Game Universe will be persistent and war will be constant such categorization going to revitalize and encourage mental Nation against Nation war stereotype within virtual Game Universe. Most importantly there is no basis for categorization by real people nationality in any game at all. GW 2 will have imaginable nations and we should leave it at that. Creating and actively promoting mental stereotypes for maintaining real nationality bindings to the Guilds identity is an irresponsible thing to do. Young generation may not understand that. Especially those who had no relatives lost in WW II. Let's not make GW 2 == WW 2 in a game world. Don't let your Guild to slip on this dangerous path leading to a hatred. Our Guild (Humble Heroes - HH) has created a WORLD CATEGORY (see discussion page) with definition "This is the page contains a list of guilds that do not assotiate themselves with any particular territory or nationality." that was tagged for deletion and forcibly tagged into "International category" that is a subtype of "Guilds by Nationality" category. In protest we removed "International" tag because we prefer not to be tagged by national category at all. HH LEADER 13:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I tagged my guild the way I did to help other American players find a guild that is led and filled by people who, you know, might actually be in the same timezone as them, or at the very least one similar, and maybe even the players might speak the same freaking language. As if it's got anything to do with nationality vs. nationality. Please be less of a retard. -Faer 13:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Faer: please do not mix language with nationality. I have nothing against the language tagging, it is very helpful to have. There are many nationalities in America as far as I aware. I hope that tagging your Guild as English speaking one would satisfy your requirement. Actually, you gave a great idea about categorization by time zone. In America there are many time zones too, in the matter of fact. So, if someone (may be you) cared to create category of timezones, then your requirements will be fully satisfied. I just ignore your comment about retard to keep the discussion productive.HH LEADER 15:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I said "please". Did I say "please"? Yeah, just checked. I said "please". Oh well. Have a great day dude. -Faer 15:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All I can say is English is spoken around the world, so categorizing a guild as English speaking does NOT equal categorizing it as American, why can't you just face the fact that nationality IS important to some people? It obviously isn't to you, and that's fine, it's your choice whether you wish to categorize your guild by nationality, no one is forcing this on ANYONE. The fact you wish to force your choice on everyone else by removing their other options says more about the moral, ethical, and political statement you are encouraging than anything anyone else who has participated in any of the FOUR discussions you have created on this subject has said. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 15:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all there will be no postings on other discussions on this subject again ever. It was an honest mistake of a new Wiki user. You are correct that nationality is important to some people. Have I said it isn't? Am I forcing you to remove the categories that you are saying weren't even created by you? NO. Mine was a pledge. I said: "I beg". You said "NO". OK. I have respect for your choice. You are trying to organize only, I understand. But haven’t you complained yourself: “Primarily because no guild plays in any one territory, so categorizing them by territory is just messy”. So why are you insisting to continuing this work? Who or what is forcing you? Now, when I directed my pledge to players, I should not be doing this too? Am I forcing them not to use it by going to their pages and removing their tags like you did on HH page? NO. You did not even cared to leave a message when you did this. How many pages, by the way, have been edited this way: just my absurd and retarded one?  Faer who called me retard while clearly indicating that he wanted to play with Anglophones in his time zone, which also includes at least Canadians and you who called me ridicule and absurd are sure representing an entire players’ base.  And again you are slipping from nationality category to the language category discussion. Who was objecting language category? I said that Multilingual category was ommitted and you agreed to keep it. We had an accord. If I learned something during this discussion is that to say you back: “Please leave your language arguments to the language category page if you want to say something on this subject.” My current pledge specifically to you: “Please let other people to answer this pledge” (not sure though that many read this Wiki as much as you do).

May be they read it correctly: “It’s OK to have different nationalities, just leave it out of the game”. I never implied conspiracy or anything of this sort. That is your assumption. Because most of real wars have some sort of national basis in them I wanted to warn that bringing national aspect to the game universe just supports this stereotype. Physiologically many people just take everything they see on-line includind Wiki for granted. Wanted or not Wiki is a strong communication and collabration tool that forms young minds. My intentions are simple and pure: keep game to the game, do not put emphasis on nationality.

You already have won. Will you be now supporting any negative response this pledge gets? I hope that positive response will come in a while but not by means of posting a comment… With respect, HH LEADER 18:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Pledge To Fellow Guild Leaders (second edition):

Please avoid tagging your Guild as a single nationality Guild.

Tagging for single nationality will limit your ability to find good players around the World who may be speaking same language and reside in close time zone. Language Categories are already in existence and Time Zone Categories being currently discussed for possible implementation. By tagging your guild as belonging to one or many Language categories + Time zones, you should receive better response from potential "hires" than from single Nationality tag. GW 2 will have different playable races and we should leave our real identities outside of the virtual Game World. Isn’t it why we play the Game? HH LEADER 20:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)