Talk:Rainbow Phoenix

Real?
Is this actually for real? I've never seen it the the Hall of Monuments, and it seems to be an odd place for a charmable pet. Are there any requirements to get it to spawn? --Valshia 18:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * trying to figure that out but it isn't:

from my guild only me and my GF have it that I know of... and it's only there when we enter HoM alone.. grtz -- (Tribina / talk) 19:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * unlocking all tapestries
 * placing something in every monument
 * KobD title
 * What, if any, elite pets did you put on Fellowship? - Tanetris 19:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I put spider there ;-) That could be it... but it isn't.. my officer has spider up there and no phoenix... --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 19:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's post-endgame? --Santax (talk · contribs) 19:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Negative on that, just beat A Time for Heroes, all with fireworks and credits and stuff but no birdo --zeeZ 00:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't get the pet to show either, I've beat the game and I've used all the 4 Tapestrys.90.229.196.238 13:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC) Whats KOBD Wow... 125.63.137.172 00:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

KOBD Means Kind of a Big Deal and these are the requirements to get the Rainbow Phoenix 1. All tapestries 2. People Know Me

Have to enter alone in the Hall of Monuments!!! Good Luck to the people that are going to achieve this!! Beacuse ive already got the pet and its great!!! : By Elegant Enzo

Requirements - my finds
I just beat the game, and came to HoM, alone... The phoenix was here, but when I came with a hero, it didn't spawn. Tried it a few times, and so far he only spawned when I was alone... --Torins 01:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting, it's probably to prevent people who haven't completed the game from getting one. -- Gordon Ecker 01:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * not true.. there is another req.. I got the pet as soon as I visited my HoM after the release.. Wasn't even close of finishing the expansion yet ^^ removing that comment ;-) --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 02:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The current info there is still wrong, there must be another requirement --zeeZ 13:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My guess is People Know Me title or a certain number of items displayed on the monuments... --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 15:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have People Know Me, but I tried going into HoM alone and no Rainbow Phoenix yet. I'll try again when I get the last tapestry up and let you know. - Tanetris 16:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's tied to titles or items displayed. Might be a random quest that unlocks it --zeeZ 17:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, Rainbow Phoenix appeared as soon as I hung the last tapestry and zoned out and back in, so that's pretty definitely a requirement. I haven't beaten GW:EN yet, haven't even completed Against the Destroyers, haven't done many sidequests... As I said, I do have People Know Me. I've also beaten all 3 campaigns, that might be involved... Any other ideas? - Tanetris 22:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can report the same thing as Tanetris: All tapestries, People Know Me, GW:EN & Destroyers unfinished, (and 2 monuments empty). --Valshia 05:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have 9 titles maxed out, have beaten all 3 campaigns, and have all 4 tapestries, but no bird for me :(, So it would seem then, that the req is for the person to have People Know Me, and all 4 tapestries? Has anyone got it to show up with OUT either of those? 68.104.205.160 11:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree the final requirement seems to be People Know Me. If someone without PKM (or the phoenix) could gain it and then confirm that afterwards the phoenix did indeed show up in their Hall it'd be wonderful. Something similar to what Tanetris did with the Tapestries. I'll try, but I'm still 3 titles off, so it might be a while. Most likely someone else will be able to sooner. Volta 15:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I had some guild mates of mine try this last night. It is tied to title track as well. Have to be at least People Know Me, have all tapestry shreds up and be alone.--Cherno 15:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finally clearing this up. =D -- Volta 21:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true. My Necro is PKM, had the tapestry shred and flute and whatever, but not in inventory and it still appeared. One wonders what happens if a "I have many leather-bound books" guy enters, maybe another Phoenix? I would also like to know if really PKM is required and if KOABD is not enough. --Longasc 00:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I misread the comment. The displayed tapestries are not shreds, but still my fault. ;) --Longasc 00:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I only have KoaBD but meet the other requirements. Yet no phoenix for me, unfortunately. --Volta 02:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I found the bird in my HoM today, I have 4 tapestries, however; only 3 are complete (still working on weapons..even in account view only have 5)...I have only 9 titles maxed....is this a bug? 68.164.225.15 09:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just finished filling four of my monuments today (all but Valor), and I have KoBD, and all tapestries. But the phoenix does not spawn when I go in alone with no pet. On the main Hall of Monuments page on this wiki, and the unofficial wikia, it states that EVERY monument must be filled, but this article only says four of five. Did something change? Or am I just missing something? Uktra06 22:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Erasculio 23:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm KOABD (9 titles) and I have all the tapestries - I have ~47 miniatures, at "Fellowship" I have 23 statues, 6 sets of elite armor and at "Valor" I have 8/11 (2 tormented and 6 destroyer). The interesting thing is that I have a rainbow phoenix in my HOM but I don't have PKM nor all the monuments full (Valor). A screenshot, (I really hope I did this right since I've never used a wiki this way before) http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Rainbow_Phoenix_Monuments_KOABD.jpg Markus Clouser 01:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have KoABD r1, 7 maxed titles, finished EoTN, all tapestries, 24 miniatures, 13 hero statues, my account-wide HoM is maxed for all aspects except for five more destroyer weapons. Before coming in I just finished Drunkard r1. The Rainbow Phoenix has never spawned before with heroes but once I came without heroes it spawned. Tried again with heroes and no spawn. Perhaps it is just shy! 80.221.18.201 23:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just now the Rainbow Phoenix was in my Hall. I have KoaBD(1) with 8 maxed titles, but only after I got 3 monuments (Devotion, Companionship and Resilience) to full display, it spawned. I only have one token weapon on the Valor monument. So I think that you need 4 Tapestries, 3 full-display monuments and at least one item on the other monuments for a Rainbow Phoenix to spawn. TheaEvanda 12:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * For me, the Phoenix only spawned after I had filled four of the five monuments. I had the title for a few days and was slowly adding things to the monuments to see at what point exactly the Phoenix would spawn. In the end, I had filled the "Devotion", "Fellowship", "Honor" and "Resilience" monuments when I finally got it to spawn. The last thing I did was add the 5th suit of armor to the "Resilience" monument and when I rezoned to find it there.


 * I wonder in retrospect though if maybe my "Fellowship" monument was actually considered full as it was filled with the four Animal Companion statues and one Hero statue. It might be the case the it is only considered full when full with Heroes. Or alternatively, maybe the "Honor" monument is only considered full under certain circumstancs. Im wondering this because TheaEvanda got the Phoenix to show when she filled only three monuments.


 * [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  10:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Random?
Maybe its random until u find it there and then stays there till u find it --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.36.202.128.

To rezone or not to rezone...
THAT is my question.

I have completed GW:EN. All the tapestries are there (only one monument currently displaying anything however). I have entered and reentered and reentered, with heroes, without heroes, even changed my secondary prof to ranger... and no pretty bird.

Got PKM?

Massivity
I just want to say WOW. Not the game, but this animal is HUGE. I'm not sure if it grows as it levels, but even at Level 5, its bigger than the guildie who charmed it... - elviondale  (tahlk) 05:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Growth
The Phoenix does grow, my level 20 Hearty Phoenix is taller than I am, but the untamed one in the Hall is a bit shorter than me, so the amount of growth isn't much but is comparable. :) Captain Doughnut 23:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dire Rainbow Phoenix?
I have tried to level this thing up to 15 many times in some of the safest places I can, and have managed to raise a Dire before for other pets like a regular phoenix, yet this one stays Aggressive only at level 15... Am I alone with this problem? Does anybody have any concrete proof that a Dire with this is even possible, and not some bug? - Andrew 23:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It was a bug. They fixed it yesterday I think. Readem  Warning: Ignore this User if at all possible.  23:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This was definitely not fixed yet, since my current phoenix was one of two attempts with the same result today, a level 15 aggressive... hmm... - Andrew 00:18, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you reset the name or zone in and out of town? The name doesn't update til you do. Other than that I don't see why it should stay Aggressive. According to someone else it does evolve to the next stage at level 15 but it only goes Elder instead of Dire. Would kike to see some more confirmation though Liselle Morrow 12:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems you were right, Andrew. I've tried only once, but I got the same result, a level 15 Aggressive pet. I tried resetting the petname several times as well as zoning in and out of towns, but it made no difference. [[Image:User_Liselle_Morrow_Bugged_Phoenix.jpg]]

Seems the rumour is true and the Rainbow Phoenix really is bugged. Liselle Morrow 19:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * /petname Dire Rainbow Phoenix. There, fixed that problem ^_^ - elviondale  (tahlk) 20:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Pity that doesn't fit (12 characters max remember?) ah and there is the small matter of unaffected stats.. Liselle Morrow 20:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Details details :p 68.104.205.160 00:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've found out what's causing these guys to fail to evolve to dire, and I'll try to get this fixed in the next update.Andrew McLeod 01:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

(Reset Indent) SO the bug has been fixed, but what does this mean for those who have already leveled the Phoenix to level 20 with no final evolution? Do we have to start over with a level 5 phoenix? Trobinson97 11:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Applaudes Andrew McLeod* Thank you ever so much for fixing this. It's been bugging me for ages. And to Trobinson, yes I think you will need to start over sadly. When my own level 15 phoenix stayed aggressive I didn't bother continuing to level it, however I did take it into AB once or twice where it died a few times. So when this update rolled in yesterday I immediately checked my pet and reset it's name: still Aggressive. Not surprising really seeing as it needs to level up to evolve. I slammed on a protective petting build and took it out until it leveled. Result: Level 16 - Elder... Still after getting a new one and leveling it up again from scratch I ended up with a nice Level 15 - Dire one :) So yes, considering it only takes about 4-5 hours to get a new one leveled, on the grand scale of things it could have been worse. Liselle Morrow 12:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Monument?
Does this thing get its own monument separate from the Imperial Phoenix? Nietzsche 11:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Currently, you get the default generic monument (animal companion)

Body-blocking
Does this pet body-block more because of it's huge size? --New.Dorling 21:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so but i've got very often position lags and its size is very annoying at ha --AntiLamer 16:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Size
This Pet is the largest pet in the game, as it starts small, it grows rapidly



(click to enlarge image) Abbadon 15:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Though, it may be the largest pet in the game, there is 1 Pet that beats it in height when they are both at lvl 15+, the White Moa, its bigger than Jora!

But my friend has a Rainbow Phoenix, and we did a size comparison, seems White Moa's are taller Aerie swiftarrow 01:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I was pretty sure i never gave permission to put my pic on this wiki....--90.211.36.238 23:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure you don't own it. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 00:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure thats me in that picture --90.211.36.238 10:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Late reply, but no, it's not you; it's a GW character, which is content belonging to ArenaNet. - 72[evolved] {U/S/T/C} - 01:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you like this pet
Do you like this pet? Do you think its right to place this pet on the top of the pets - the end GW pet? I personally find it too colorfull and shiny to suit me, or my "dark" ranger, i prefer the Black Widow. Spaghetti 21:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's rather... uhm... flamboyant. Like something Liberace would keep as a pet. :D 193.215.199.34 11:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Junundu
My lvl 18 agressive rainbow phoenix just turned in a junundu ^^ I have screenies, but i don't know how to upload it.
 * You need to have a wiki account, be logged in, then you should be able to find a "Upload file" link in the navigation to the left. You could also use a site like Imageshack or Photobucket and post it's link here, if you prefer to not register a wiki account. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 11:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is to big to upload ^^ Shailin 20:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC) (that was me first time)

bit late, but open the file and save it as a jpg or png... if it already is one of those, crop the picture :p Twiggie 23:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

GW2
This may very well work as a reward-for-title mount in GW2, judging by it's size. Nicky Silverstar 22:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No need for mounts when we have map travel. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 08:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So you're saying it wouldn't be nice to have in explorable areas? Also, it's been said that "They even established Asura Gates in major cities to provide safe passage from city to city and promote trade." (for GW2), so I'd assume map travel gets left behind in the switch to GW2. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 08:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong! No mounts has been confirmed, we don't wanna be too much like WoW do we? Jig of The Weasel 12:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Death Leveling
IS it possible to death level a dire phoenix using Lively was Mei Ling, etc? --Risus 21:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lively was Mei Ling isn't a real skill. What skill are you talking about? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  02:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume he means Lively Was Naomei. And no it doesn't work.  You fail and return to outpost when you die, not res, even holding the ashpot.  --Valshia 05:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to death level it? --Risus 21:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Just train it the real way. Use this build:


 * Dwarven Stability and Great Dwarf Weapon are great optionals if you have your rank up. Equip a melee weapon and a shield. Go to Augury Rock and kill the Doppelganger over and over in Hard Mode. Engage the Dop at melee range, activate Whirling. It will do the same. Hold its attention while the pet slaughters with unblockable Brutal and Enraged. +396xp, takes about 45 seconds per run. Repeat until the pet gains Dire at level 15 (or continue if you want get it to 20). It's tedious but fast (2-3 hours to level 15), and a foolproof method of training any pet to Dire. I've done it many times. Arshay Duskbrow 22:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Even better place is to use the same/similar build and have it kill the snow worms outside of Boreal Station. Much easier/quicker, and it can be done in NM or HM (:Hint: there are chests in the area) as well for even more XP 195.183.80.137 15:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Or take it to the Zenagerie and pay 5k faction... Paddymew 17:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Another good method is to simply go nuts in a Junundu in the Desolation. Pets automatically die when you enter the wurms, but still gain experience from kills, no matter how far away from them you travel. Be sure to let it peck away at the Master of Healing for an hour or so first, though, otherwise it will evolve to Elder instead of Dire. --Mme. Donelle 01:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This note needs to be removed. there is a method in which you can death level ALL pets through the menagerie. Its very simple. Bring 1 Necro hero with as many rez skills as you have unlocked, pour his points into soul reaping. (the more soul reaping he has the better) bring two other heros with vampy weapons and Sacrifice skills. (BiP Blood ritual etc etc) also bring a vampy weapon and low health set + a vampy weapon and high health set for yourself. it should be noted that this method is most easily done on a pvp ranger, however any pvp charachter will work, after youve equipped your heros with the lowest possible health they can have but NOT the vampy weapon yet, enter the zaishen menagerie (its important to remember you must have unlocked the animal before this method is possible). find your animal of choice, in this case, the rainbow pheonix, attack him a few times, getting his health low but being careful NOT to kill him. if your one who wants to be extra careful then do it twice, ensuring his health gets close to dying before setting all your heros to avoid combat and having them sac themselves on your Necro-rezbot. set a flag for your hero rezer thats in the general vicinity of the pet you wish to death level and just let him have at it. you can even go afk if you want. he will spam hard rez's and your vampy weapon will quickly kill you, giving the aggroed (but not attacking) pet, experience. after your all done it should evolve into a lvl 20 hearty pheonix. which you can turn in to the trainer at the menagerie and trade for whichever level of whichever evolution you so desire. I would post a video but i dont know how to do it. Test this theory if you dont beleive me, but the note about this not being death level-able is incorrect. you can use this method on any and all pets in the menagerie.
 * I thought rainbow phoenixes only spawned if you were alone (i.e., no necro hero). And, please sign your comments. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 18:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

(Reset) they only spawn in the HOM if your alone. however all animals spawn in the menagerie regardless of what heros your bringing with you. btw i forgot sign in password so i cant get into my profile. >.> 76.20.33.106 18:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They do not spawn in the Menagerie unless you're alone. They are the ONLY pet that follows that rule. Hence, they are the ONLY pet you cannot death-level. The note stays. | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 19:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The only pet that's inefficient to deathlevel . 88.153.105.75 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

B-E-A-U-TIFUL!
This animal is great! the looks are just so legendary and beautiful!!!!(71.210.61.233 20:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC))
 * no. --J0ttem™ 19:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Special Case: Evolving a Dire Rainbow Phoenix
A Dire Rainbow Phoenix is a special case. It cannot be death leveled because in order to tame it, one has to be the ONLY one in the party while inside the Hall of Monuments. When the Rainbow Phoenix kills you inside the Hall you must Return To Outpost. The NPC's inside the hall will not resurect you (they will heal you though).

The first thing to know is that there is no risk of loosing the Rainbow Phoenix, so if you fail to evolve an Agressive Rainbow Phoenix (at level 11), just give your Phoenix to a Pet Tamer and go back to the Hall of Monuments to tame another.

You can use the Standard Pet Levelng methods discussed here to begin training your pet Rainbow Phoenix. Once the pet reaches level 7, you may begin using other methods for rapid advancement.

Assuming a People Know Me title and access to all campaigns, a method that works well is to set your skill bar with this template [OgASY5LT/GehcG8GrSripGbG]:
 * (Elite)
 * (Elite)
 * (Elite)
 * (Elite)
 * (Elite)

Using Normal Mode for levels 7-9 and Hard Mode afterwards, kill the Doppleganger (Augury Rock (Mission)) over and over again. Since the mission transports you to the The Dragon's Lair, it is convenient to buy 2X XP Rampager scrolls there. Use these to double the earned mission XP. To maximize the pet's ratio, target the Doppleganger, lock the pet's mode to Fight and walk away from the fight (letting the pet do all the fighting). Use Dodge to speed up the tedious walk at the begining of the mission. Mission Entry to Entry time is less than 1.5 minutes.

To speed up evolution, immediately after leveling up, run the Augury Rock mission 8 times using the 2X XP rampager's scrolls. Afterwards, use the Junundu method (below) to rapidly move to the next level. Repeat mission just after each new level to assure proper ratios. If the pet has not been marked as Aggressive by level 12, the pet has not been trained properly, start all over.


 * (My thanks to Arshay Duskbrow for the Doppleganger idea and the base skills.)

AunweeOfTheNiaad 22:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, but I believe my skillbar and method is better. You must tank the Doppelganger's attacks yourself, or the damage-given-to-damage-taken ratio for the pet may be compromised. The Dop's attacks do quite a bit of damage, and this damage still "counts" for evolution even if it's mitigated by Call of Protection, Otyugh's Cry and so on. There is no need for Heal as One at all. A Feral+Enraged+Brutal combo will have the Dop dead in about 15 seconds. Whirling Defense will enable you to hold out that long. If you must have a run buff to make the walk less tedious, well...you're running a pure Beast build, so why not simply use Run as One? Also, Junundu Leveling will result in an Elder pet, because the pet is not doing any damage. Arshay Duskbrow 19:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Junundu Leveling
This method levels up a pet quickly. First be careful to only do this with a pet that has already fought well from levels 5 through 7. If attempting to evolve a dire pet, make sure to let the pet fight in an appropriate area for its level (as soon as a level has been newly attained) to assure a proper training ratio.

In Hard Mode, enter the Sulfurous Wastes from the Gate of Desolation with a lean team of heroes (3 or 4 at most, the less the better). Enter the Junundu. The pet will "die". This is OK since it is not really dead, and it will gain experience from all kills. This "death" does not count against it. Go on a killing spree on the southern parts of the area. You can earn Lightbringer points while you are at it. Normally one or two runs of the southern area "circle" will level up your pet. Entry to Entry, each run takes less than 20 minutes. AunweeOfTheNiaad 22:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * is there another similar place in which I can do this techique Tycars125 20:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Anywhere there are Junundu available.. after all, it's called "Junundu leveling"... -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

HoM
Can you display this pet in the hall of monuments? Or just cap it there? Goody 11:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You can display it in the hall but it will have the default pet statue(the one with the bear,wolf and lynx). If you want to put a phoenix there, you need to get the phoenix after the last mission in Cantha. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:194.1.130.37 (talk).
 * I think it's bad form for ArenaNet to not put a dedicated monument of this in the HoM, especially since this is such a time consuming pet to get and that the imperial phoenix gets it's own monument and is far easier to get. I hope they rectify this and don't require people to have to re-charm a new Rainbow Phoenix in order to get a monument displayed. Lady Elyssa 10:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Still No Luck Evolving this Pet
I've read everything above, and all the articles on Dire Pet evolution on this wiki and the wikia site. I'm using the following build for my pet to quickly solo the Frost Worms outside Boreal Station for 396 XP each in hard mode: OgASY5LTySriehnGcGbGqS/G

Now, I've read a lot of comments in which people talk about how evolving a dire rainbow Phoenix should be as easy as any other pet, but I've read far fewer comments from individuals who actually own their own dire Rainbow Phoenix. I'm not interested in speculation, or input from people who don't have a dire Rainbox Phoenix. If you do have one evolved to dire, can you please provide any information on what, specifically, you did to evolve it? I understand that there was, at one point, a bug that prevented dire evolution. Since that bug has been fixed, one ought to be able to evolve a dire rainbow phoenix relatively easily - but it's just not working for me. Ninjatek 18:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Disregard my above plea for help. It finally worked.  I think I corrected something I was doing wrong. Ninjatek 18:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's good, because I was about to nag you for not following my extremely detailed and specific directions posted above. Arshay Duskbrow 22:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
Since this creature can become sooo big, and since people work so hard to get it... Why not make it a little more worth it? Like make each of its attacks cause knock-down or somehting, because of it's size?--‎ Fire  Tock  05:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Balance. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no u--[[Image:User Fire Tock sig.jpg|19px]]‎ Fire</tt>  To</tt>ck</tt>  02:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How about changing it's damage type to fire or something? It is phoenix after all -84.65.10.11 22:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How about giving it lasers and adamantium armour as well? I think some rocket-launchers and nukes would be good as well. <font color="darkBlue">b.r // <font color="Black">talk  11:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fully agreed with the rocket launcher suggestion. It can be an asuran pet - they made golems, right? :p - Auron 11:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * f u Auron. You have something against lasers and adamantium plating? <font color="darkBlue">b.r // <font color="Black">talk  11:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I want my phoenix to fly, thanks. - Auron 11:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Jet turbines then you greedy gut <font color="darkBlue">b.r // <font color="Black">talk  12:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

WTF? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Nz Shorty (talk).

lol fire tock ur terribad78.20.153.111 14:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How about giving it Fiery Lasers with Rocket Launchers, and Jet Turbines sprouting from an Adamantium armour? Titani Ertan 11:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Dire Evolution
A good way to have this pet become Dire at level 20 is to enter the Hall of Monuments in Hard Mode and make the bird become aggressive. Once you have done that, stand near Ogden who will heal you. Take off pieces of your armor until you find a suitable amount of damage that Ogden is able to out-heal. Since this is Hard Mode, the bird will do more damage (I think...). With Ogden healing you and the bird doing large amounts of damage, it is safe to go afk. Come back every once in a while to check your connection and see how things are doing. After a couple of hours, my bird did somewhere around 20,000 damage. After all this use Charm Animal and it's yours. With all the damage its done, it's safe to assume it will do more damage than its tamer and will become Dire. This worked for me, and I am positive I did more damage than it as I leveled it.
 * can't get him to spawn if theres heroes/henchies in party78.20.153.111 18:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's an npc version of dunkoro in the hom that stands by the door. that's what he's talking about.  On a side note, I think death leveling might work in the menagerie, so you can just do that once you unlock the bird. I'll be testing later today.  71.59.231.50 23:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC) edit: apparently, you can't get the rainbow phoenix if you take heroes with you to the menagerie, so probably no go on that. 71.59.231.50 23:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Dth lvlign in menageries proven just get it to 12 or somethign and then you can death lvl it in the menagerie traing yard--Lord randy taylor 22:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't death lvl a rainbow. It won't spawn with heroes, and there's no shrine there.--Pyron Sy 03:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Use standard procedure for leveling up a pet to Hearty... possibly by LB/SS farming in Junundu from Ruins of Sahlajah. When finished, show your lvl 20 hearty pet to Emyrd the Tamer, and when you come to the Zaishen Menagerie alone, you can have the option of picking up a lvl 20 dire rainbow pheonix from the trainer. Skie M 14:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

easy way to make it dire, just requires some time.
Aggressive/Dire evolutions don't matter about kills, just the damage the pet deals is higher than the damage it takes. Get one of these, and go to the isle of the nameless. Make it attack the master of healing. All you gotta do, just leave it there for a couple hours. 24.233.254.51 04:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Just curious how this works.....I get that it's doing a ton of damage vs damage taken, but the animal is not gaining any experience because nothing is dying. Perhaps I'm wrong in assuming that the pet gains levels through experience like a player or hero, but that would only make sense.154.5.176.59 06:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

HoM without "Ppl Know me"
A mate of mine got this to spawn but he hasnt got "People Know Me" i know this cos hes got one and has "kinda big deal" so... this is weird... it ALWAYS spawns for him in his HoM and he def doesnt have the cash to unlock it in menagerie... I dont have a screenie but im still wondering how this is possible and if we could get one like that... and before this is an issue theres the wiki "assume good will" thing. Thanks 83.104.133.95 17:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a bug due to the 23 april update, if it happens to you, you're lucky --Derv Who Likes To 09:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe they just lowered the spawning requirement to "Kind of a Big Deal" and forgot to document it. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 10:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I also got the Phoenix with "Kind of a big deal". Hope it's just an undocumented change and not a bug. --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 11:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have the Phoenix in my hall, and I have KoaBD. I haven't added much to my hall, perhaps it's linked to how much you've put in there? ~ Mortimer 21:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the phoenix in my hall with only 7 titles maxed, but I also have the entire hall full, with minis, armor, weapons, etc, so maybe that has something to do with it? Aldawg227 02:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably a bug due to having 10 max titles across an entire account<font color="#C71585" size="2px">~>Sins <font color="#CA1F7B" size="2px"> WDB [[Image: User The_Sins_We_Die_By_Sig.png]] 04:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They Said they were also going to remove it from any characters that dont have People Know me somewhere AFAIK[[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png|Talk]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 04:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got someone in my guild who somehow managed to charm a level 5 rainbow phoenix with his Pyre Fierceshot hero. I have no idea how he did it, and he's not sharing his secret... (84.197.189.101 12:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC))
 * When you show your Rainbow Phoenix to Emryd the Tamer for the first time ONLY. 1 will spawn regardless of having heroes or not. If you leave the area and then go back in, the phoenix will spawn only if you are alone. But that's a bug which will be fixed next week, and all rainbow phoenixes on heroes will be removed. --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 12:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

(RI) I asked Linsey. No idea what her reply means, though. I didn't elaborate because she was busy, so she may be talking about how you can unlock the phoenix at the Menagerie, not about being able to tame it in a HoM while being only a KoaBD. Erasculio 23:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can someone test if this still works? I just tried at 6 maxed titles and it didn't. (didn't try it before though) --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Having all five monuments full adds 1 component to the KOABD statue in your hall, so having all monuments full AND having at least 5 maxed titles will get you a rainbow phoenix. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, what's this KOABD statue and what do you define with "full"? (all mini's?) I'm trying to find out about it on the wiki but I can't find it. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 22:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The statue behind your titles (the big blue thing), it gets an additional piece when all five monuments are filled with as much crap as they can display and as your KOABD title goes up, so people with a full monument and KOABD 1 will have the same statue as people with KOABD 2 and a non-full hall. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's very interesting. Is it new since the update then? We should revise the article (and i'm going to collect some stuff xD) --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if getting the phoenix changed, but the statue always got an extra piece when you filled all your monuments. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder if that has been changed to be account based - if when the account view of the HoM has all monuments full, all characters would get one extra piece in the Honor monument. Erasculio 12:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can confirm it doesn't work. Have 33 on my main with a full hall and went in with a 5 set on account wide and no rainbow phoenix spawned.  76.20.238.253 14:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(RI) Ok, take a look here: Which means, Hence why people have a Rainbow Phoenix without PKM and without a full HoM. Erasculio 16:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To the left, we see the "Honor" statue. It has the shape of the tier 2 rank in the KoaBD title, "People Know Me".
 * At the center, you can see how that character only has five maxed titles, at rank 1 of the KoaBD title.
 * To the right, you can see the "Valor" monument, which currently has only two weapons, so it's not full.
 * And at the bottom, you can see a Rainbow Phoenix. If you pay attention and take a look at the "Resilience" monument, you will see how one of the statues there is for an armor set not available to that character, showing how my HoM is currently set on account view.
 * 1) The look of the "Honor" statue considers whether or not a monument is full based on the current monuments. Doesn't matter if it's account based or character based, as long as one monument is full, it may or not add one extra tier for the statue.
 * 2) To get the Rainbow Phoenix, the "Honor" statue has to show at least its second tier (the one linked to the "People Know Me" title).
 * 3) In order to make the "Honor" statue to show its second tier, usually linked to PKM, you may have only "People Know Me" and have four monuments filled; if the "Valor" monument has not been filled but the others have, the "Honor" statue will gain an extra rank.

Sorry, but this won't work without People Know Me. I just finished testing your descriptions. My HoM has 4 displays filled up (2 left, 1 middle, 1 right) as well as the weapon display started with one weapon. The Statue still displays my rank 1 tier and getting more deytroyer weapons to fill up the 5th monument will be not only expensive but a waste of weaponry, too - since I can only put one or two of them to good use and would have to trash the rest, as they look horrible anyway. I can just assume you mean one has to fill up ALL FIVE monument displays.. which makes no sense at all, considering that will take much more time and ingame money than just getting PKM. I could arrange some of those pictures, too, if I bought the pet and went into the hall. Don't confuse people into spending that much ingame money, please. I just happened to spend over 100k for those minipets and even bought one of the most ugly elite armors just to test this - and to notice it just doesn't work as described here. --Golgarit Raven 15:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, nice to see GWW:AGF being thrown from the window like that. The picture above could not have been taken by buying the phoenix with Zaishen points - notice how you can see the Valor monument almost empty AND the Honor statue showing the second rank. Your waste of gold isn't really my concern. Erasculio 23:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe this worked once, yet now it does certainly not work (any more). I won't check if it works when you got 11 weapons on display since that would be too costly. The Statue won't change to tier 2 when one has 4 of 5 monuments filled up, that's sure. --Golgarit Raven 10:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Back again just to add...I have a totally full HoM when set to account wide across all chars. If I take an r1 KoaBD in there (only 5 max) the Rainbow Phoenix will spawn.  I tested this with 2 different spare KoaBD's I've got and it works for both of them so Erasculio is right you can get it without having PKM. 76.20.238.253 02:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, if your account has already unlocked it, you will get it. Still doen't change the fact that you need 5, not 4 monuments filled to initially(!) unlock that bird, as this whole section is about unlocking the bird for the first time on an account. If you've unlocked it for the first time all other characters can get it much easier, using the menagerie, and won't have to fill their HoM in the first place. --Golgarit Raven 08:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't confirm or deny the last bit unless I buy another GW account since my testing is already tainted. Either way its kind of ridiculous that its been cheapened as a reward but then again this is only PvE we're talking about (and they could use balth to get it anyways).  76.20.238.253 14:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, but only if you went to PvP for a long long time beforehand.. a new account can hold most 10k balth, the bird costs 80k ;) So concluding.. new accounts need rank 2 or all mnuments filled in display, so it remains kinda hard to get a hold of it. --Golgarit Raven 15:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All monuments filled? You need to have 10 maxed titles, that's not close to all monuments filled, and not that difficult to achieve in pve. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 15:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's about without rank 2.. then it's rank 1 plus all monuments. ^^ --Golgarit Raven 16:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

(RI) Riiiiiight. Let's see... Thus, Golgarit is wrong. Erasculio 17:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here you can see my Hall of Heroes. That character...
 * As seen on the image, has only "Kind of a Big Deal".
 * Is a Paragon/Warrior, so she could not possibly have her own Rainbow Phoenix with her.
 * Has only four weapons on the "Valor" monument, so it's clearly not full.
 * Has a "Honor" statue showing its second rank.
 * Is standing across the room from an untamed Rainbow Phoenix.
 * Here is a closer look at the "Valor" monument. Only four weapons. Notice how the target is still the untamed Rainbow Phoenix.
 * Here is a closer look at the "Honor" monument. Notice the shape of the Honor statue, and how the Rainbow Phoenix below it is just a Rainbow Phoenix, not a "Pet - Rainbow Phoenix". Which means, that could not be a pet from the Menagerie.
 * And here we have a different character, without any rank in the KoaBD title, showing her Hall of Heroes with the Honor statue at rank 1.


 * The one that's missing is the one shot of the account.. which I guess has manages r2 or all monuments plus r1 already. I can show you ingame that this isn't enough if you've not unlocked that bird already, just msg me. --Golgarit Raven 19:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You can't show us it's not enough in game, given how the Rainbow Phoenix only appears in your Hall of Heroes if you are alone. Plus, the Honor statue does not really add between characters; I have more than 15 titles maxed between all my characters on my account, but the Honor statue only changed for my entire account when I completed the Devotion monument. Erasculio 20:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Showeable is the HoM, so you can see the setup. I've got one character owning 9 max titles and that's it. The other 2 chars have no maxed out titles at all. 20 minipets, 5 armors, lots of statues and all heroes as well as pets in the hall, plus the one destroyer bow. So either some titles accountwide are added up for tier 2 or something other is fishy in that calculation. Still 9 titles and 4 monuments filled on one account are not enough. Maybe you maxed more account-wide titles? Cause I got only character-based titles maxed out so far - those account-wide titles are retty hard to come by, so I skipped them. It's got to be something after all that's different. check this --Golgarit Raven 22:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If u look at Erasculio first picture, in the armor display, there is elite canthan and marhans grotto armor there. that doesnt make sense.98.226.21.68

I am in the same boat as Golgarit Raven. I have 8 maxed titles, 4 of 5 monuments full (all 5 have tapestries), and no phoenix. That is why I originally changed the wiki info. All information I can find on Guru, the Unofficial Wiki, and other pages of the official Wiki (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments scroll down to the section on the allies), all say you must have all five monuments filled to get the phoenix without PKM. Honestly Erasculio I am not trying to attack you or accuse you of lying. I just do not know why it seems to work for you and not for others, and would like to figure out what is different for us. Uktra06 02:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to confirm. I have 20 pets, 11 destroyer weapons, 5 heros, 5 elite armors, and 5 achievements, all displayed. I also have Koabd rank 1. When I enter my Hall of Monuments with only myself in the party I do indeed have a Rainbow Phoenix. riotproof --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.15.108.75 (talk).

Sure you do. So you got all 5 Monuments filled. Yet in the text it still reads "4 Monuments filled" as the requirement, which is still wrong. --Golgarit Raven 11:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Adding my own data, in confirmation of Erasculio's. My ranger has 10+ titles maxed and has a rainbow phoenix in his HoM, but has never charmed it (my emotional attachment to my pet is too high). My mesmer has 6 titles maxed. My HoM is not maxed, neither on a character or account basis (as of the April update I owned 2 Destroyer weapons). When my mesmer entered the hall after the update she found a rainbow phoenix. I had not unlocked the phoenix via the menagerie prior to this.


 * I don't know why it works for me and Erasculio and not for other people. Still, I think there should be a note on the page stating that the exact mechanics are currently unknown, rather than stating as truth something that apparently isn't true for all accounts. Scutilla 23:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * ok so I know this has been said before, but I got a ton of stuff in my hall of monuments >30points and the Koabd title. From my personal experience putting a black widow spider monument up triggers some sort of weird requirement. Just a hunch though. Mine DEFINITIVELY appeared after I brought a widow into the HoM.


 * Just got my Koabd and have 4 monuments filled, he's in my hall waiting to be capped 64.179.184.194 18:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Account wide hall spawning?
Does the Rainbow Phoenix spawn if I have KoaBD r1, and have, for example, 10 minis dedicated with one char, and the another 10 with second char, one set of armor with each of five characters and one destroyer weapon for each of 11 characters etc(you get the point..)? Vazde 11:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

im sorry but i dont know, and i have problems of my own like, i dont know what points i need for the title that i need for the phoenix? --Zyree 14:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * no it doesnt work that way. in order to spawn the requirements must be met on one char, and then only that char can get the rainbow phoenix. if you want one on another char you have to meet the requirements again. if you do what you're suggesting, it's not considered a full HoM on any of your chars. Daeheru 17:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or get it in the Hall of Monuments with one character then use the Zaishen Menagerie to get them for your other characters. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yer I was going to try and do this on my warrior... I have enough elite armor accross all my chars and I was going to fill up the racks with destroyer weapons... from everything I have read I'm gonna have to dish out for a few more warrior armor sets to fill that instead of letting the account wide do it... If ya following what I'm saying I'll let ya know the results in a few weeks after I gather the funds... MrPaladin talk 13:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Has anybody thought that one monument counted as one maxed title, so any combination of titles and monuments that added up to 10 would work?
 * I have four maxed in the HoM and have 5 titles maxed and I spawned the Rainbow Phoenix. This is also account wide, so I can confirm that you do not need all of the stuff for the HoM on a single character. 5+4 also does not equal 10 for the above poster. 71.129.51.88 01:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, can we change the: "has also filled most of the five monuments" to has filled 4 out of 5 of the monuments. I only have two destroyed weapons displayed; I cannot confirm though that it can spawn without and destroyer/tormented weapons. 71.129.51.88 02:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can confirm with my ranger, that account-wide accomplishments do contribute to the spawning of the RP. On my ranger I have KoaBD Honor, Fellowship, and Devotion filled.  Only 1 armor for Resilience, full on account wide.  I have 6 weapons, 1 Destroyer 5 Oppressor for valor.  Upon adding my 6th weapon, exiting & reentering the HoM my Phoenix was there.  However, switching to Personal causes the Phoenix not to appear.  So my conclusion: must have KoaBD, fill 4 1/2 monuments.  IE: full Honor, Fellowship, Devotion, Resilience, + 6 weapons in valor = spawn.  Its too bad you can't get this for heroes though...my IWP Gwen would love this guy lol. Moonstar/ 11:31, 20 November 2010 (EST)
 * Same result here. With the Hall set to account-wide I have all but 1 of the monuments filled (tapastries on all) and get the phoenix. When I switch to personal it removes 3 armors, meaning I'm down to 3/5 monuments filled and no phoenix. 109.158.12.177 14:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

destroyer weps?
hey does the pheonix spawn if i have everything i need on one char except the weapons...but i have all 11 throughout my account?
 * Read through the entire walls of text discussing this. So far, thats a "no-maybe".  Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan Sig2.jpg|19x19px]]  Ertan  10:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * From all my understanding thats a no, you need at least 1 character with a full hall to get the HoM to "Bump" your KoaBD statue up a level MrPaladin talk 12:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * oh so i have 20 mini's shown and 5 in everything else and 7 destroyer weaps...and koabd title...and i have a rainbow pheonix in my HoM...i dont have anything else on any other char except for some armor...but i havnt filled everything....soo uhh yea i guess it doesnt have to be filled, i have a screen shot but idk how to put it on here X_X AurenX 02:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * First, please, sign your comments using ~.
 * Second, you upload photos using the Upload file link. See the "search" box on your left? See 2 small boxes under it? In the second one, "toolbox", there is an option called Upload file, but you need to sign up in order for the image to be valid.  Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan Sig2.jpg|19x19px]]  Ertan  15:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

uhhm...guys, i've just entered my hom and i found a rainbow phoenix, the strange thing is that i only have KoaBD. my HoM is not full. all monuments are full, except the weapon's one which is 6/11. is this a bug? or what? ps: i don't have the missing weapons on any other character.--93.40.51.95 17:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ok sry i forgot to sign my comment last tim lol umm yea this is it...i only have 7/11 of the destroyer weps but i still have the rainbow phoenix there --''AurenX 02:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank god (or whoever) for your luck, and make another picture (with the right name) that shows KoaDB in the hero panel. Sonic the CHESS NAZI Sunday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 02:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * so yea is it a glitch thats going to be taken out or are the rest not needed?....AurenX 22:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rainbow_Phoenix_Monuments_KOABD.jpg >taken from above> "KOABD (9 titles) w/ all the tapestries | ~47 minis | 23 statues | 6 sets of armor | 8/11 weapons"

Took this a while ago. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser 09:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * im guessing if your overflowing in some not all of another need to be filled....AurenX 01:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

So, I just tonight got my KOABD title, went straight to my hall and have a rainbow pheonix. All monuments are full except for weapons...only 2 destroyer weps there. I can confirm then that you do not need the full hall and KOABD. The minimum is at least KOABD and 4/5 full with at leats weapons not needing to be full. My guess would be that ANET may have lowered the requirements for it.03:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

this might have been fixed, not sure but on my paragon i have 20+ minis displayed, 5 titles maxed, 16 achievements to display under honor, 11 hero armors (including black moa) to display under fellowship 5 armors using account wide (one is elite kurzick so no actual armor set for it) and 3 weapons on display (one is tormented) and theres no rainbow phoenix, my HOM also shows that i have rank 2 in KOABD(the statue is sticking out of the wall a bit) --211.26.218.142 07:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not fixed, I have 6 titles maxed, Everything full except weapons (1 destroyer staff) Yet, it spawned today.. I was like wtf :D:D --Devuna 11:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Just got my Phoenix yesterday, i have 5 max titles, 21 miniatures, 7 companions, 14 middle title things, 5 sets of armor, and 6 weapons. Sonic Tuesday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 13:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Found it just now...I hadn't changed my HoM at all since the last time I had been in, I was just entering with a Black Widow for the statue. Every display of mine is filled except the weapon monument, which has 3 weapons.
 * I'm supremely confused. -- ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ [[Image:User_Kyoshi_sig.png]] 23:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah, I'm also stupid. I was entering with heroes before because I was too lazy to remove them from my party. So I don't even know when it started to show up. =/ -- ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ [[Image:User_Kyoshi_sig.png]] 23:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

DEATH LEVELLING: A GUIDE
...to editing this article. In the unlikely event that there's anyone who wants both to edit the section and to be informed, this is just for you. Ask yourself:
 * Q1: Do I know what death levelling is?
 * A: It's when you die repeatedly by a pet (usually in the Zaishen Menagerie) and have a way to be resurrected, so that your multiple deaths give the pet XP.
 * Q2a:  Do I think the Rainbow Phoenix can be death-levelled?
 * A: It's in the Menagerie and in the Hall of Monuments, and it gains XP from your death. But it doesn't spawn in either place if you have heroes, and neither one has a res shrine, so you can only die once.
 * Q2b:  Do I think other pets, like the White Moa, can't be death levelled?
 * A: Does the pet appear in the Menagerie? For every pet, yes. Is there a way to be resurrected while it's there? For every pet except the Rainbow Phoenix, the answer is yes. So every other pet can be death levelled.
 * Q3:  Do I still for some reason think the note is wrong?
 * A: Hit F5 and the page will refresh and I will explain the above points again.

Thanks for actually reading the talk page before making your inane edit. | <font color="Red">72  {U|T|C} 04:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * when you first donate the phoenix to the menagerie one is spawned weather your with your heroes or not...so technically you should be able to death lvl one if you are prepared the first time you get it.....right?AurenX 05:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that was fixed months ago. When i added my phoenix (with heroes on the group) nothing spawned.--Fighterdoken 06:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That was indeed fixed about a week after the Menagerie appeared, and all the Rainbow Phoenixes that were tamed by heroes were removed. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 06:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Regarding The Rainbow Phoenix is the only pet that you cannot death level note: couldn't (technically) a (solo) R/Rt or Rt/R death level it by spamming Restoration and/or Lively Was Naomei so they'd be resurrected once fallen? CBA to really test this (not sure if such spells would revive player once "Your party has been defeated" message shows up, in either the managerie or hall of monuments), just trying to figure out if such statement is 100% flawless (and if it is really worth to keep it there). --NIN37 15:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC) ). Lively Was Naomei's talk page seems to indicate that it works the same way ("...if not (like for UW) you will lose ... Yup, just checked at Tahnnakai Temple. Once you go down you get "mission failed" and don't even get rez'd, actually" ). Either way, it'd be incredibly slow if it did. | <font color="Red">72  (UTC) 02:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Restoration is out ("Notes: If your entire party dies before this spirit, you will not get resurrected"
 * Why can you not have the rainbow phoenix kill your pet in the menagerie, then capture it? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If I'm understanding you correctly, are you saying let the phoenix kill your pet, revive the pet, and let the phoenix kill it again? If so, then from what I've heard, mobs only

gain experience from a pet only once. pers onn5  02:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Above poster is right. And trust me - I have read everything I could about Death Leveling: without H4X it is impossible! The only real method would be going into GvG test battle against a 1 hp-er with Mesmer rez heroes (same build as the menagerie death level). It's twice as slow (see my userpage for exact timing and xp details) but in think it would work. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 02:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it didn't gain experience from your pet only once, don't creatures in the menagerie never attack you? Or is it only that they don't aggro when you Charm them? | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 04:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The ones spawned by the trainer attack you (and aggro when you charm them). The "wild" ones wandering around don't do either. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 13:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Just had Rainbow Phoenix available to me, have all monuments full EXCEPT weapons, I have 1 destroyer weapon and 2 oppressor weapons, and the KoaBD title. I went in alone with the 2 weapons in the monument, nothing. Added my new oppressor weapon, came back and bam, Rainbow Phoenix floating around. Don't know if the requirements is at least 3 weapons now or something. Hope this helps! 161.38.221.165 21:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Djinn of the Sea

Phoenix not showing up
My HoM is full when in account wide mode (all destroyer weapons, 5 armors, KoaBD, maximum amount of miniatures on display, 5 statues on companionship, all tapestries), but the phoenix isn't showing up. I am alone and do not already have a pet. Not sure if it's important, but none of my monuments were filled with a single character. For example, I put two elite armors with ranger, two elite armors with warrior and one elite armor with paragon, and a few destroyer weps with each of my characters. Phoenix still not there. What gives ? MadSkillz1o1 17:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have "Kind of a Big Deal" and did you enter the hall alone? (on a side note your last edit was +666, maybe you jsut got some bad mojo) 192.203.160.241 17:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * whoops, perhaps I should read... I donno what ya may be missing.. .the conditions for the phoenix were always flaky to me, I ended up getting a "People Know Me"... But when you go in check the state of the large statue and see if it appears to be level 2... 192.203.160.241 17:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * are you using an assassin/dervish/ritualist/paragon and have armor on display for armor that has no artwork for that class (elite kurz/luxon for paragon/dervish) because i cant get my phoenix to display only thing im missing is max weapons but people are saying you dont need it maxed..

I have the same issue- KoaBD, 5 tapestries, no other party members, and all I get is Gwen bickering with Thackeray. Wintersday glitch? 68.59.126.206 07:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Likely not a Wintersday glitch, as it does show up for me while G&T are talking. G R E E N E R  07:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Menagerie appearances for ineligible toons
The Rainbow Phoenix appears in the menagerie once unlocked, as if it's any other pet. However, before the menagerie existed, ANet went to some trouble to make it impossible for any toons short of high enough HoM/max-title ranks to charm one. I suspect that they accidentally made it easier to get this pet.

Since it's normal mechanics for pets, but unusual for the R. Phoenix... I believe that we should list it as anomalous on both this page and the charmable animal/pet page.

This is a glass half-full/empty situation and I can see the other point of view. So, if we do decide to remove the anomalous classification, let's at least note in trivia the historical fact that it used to be much harder to get them. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not really an anomaly when they also explicitly provided a way to unlock it for every character on the account (and that way is more expensive than it is for "normal" pets.) An anomaly is generally something that is atypical for the game, not just something they changed. The reason other characters could not get it before was there was really no tie between characters' pets on the same account.  The Menagerie did not exist.  You generally couldn't start out with a level 20 pet either. It's not an anomaly.  It's exactly how the Menagerie is supposed to work. -- Amazing Goat 05:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't disagreeing with how the menagerie is supposed to work. It appears to me that ANet made a major change to how difficult it used to be to acquire this as a pet. Typically, they make a big deal when they do something like that, so... this seemed weird to me. However, I have to agree with you that, looking at it as a new player would (post-Menagerie), the only strange thing is how odd the spawning process is for he phoenix, not the other way around.


 * You did the right thing removing the anomaly over my objections. I apologize for getting in the way (however briefly). (As noted above, I still think it's worth a trivia note about the historical difficulty.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The Menagerie is just wrong... Having a Rainbow Phoenix used to mean something, I (and many others) worked hard to get it, raise it, pet it, feed it, hug it, love it etc. and now the Menagerie just "sells" this beauty for petty cash :( This is the sole reason I shall never enter that place of pure evil! (Dont get me wrong, the idea to store your pets is actually pretty good.) Imo there should be prereq's again for some of the pets (like the Black Widow), to be able to buy them, like having the PKM title, having finished UW, or something equal. To get back to the point, it's just too easy to get exotic pets like the Rainbow Phoenix these days, the trivia note should be there, even though I think its more than trivial. (KILL MementoMori 03:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC))


 * Too easy? You still need to get the title requirement at least once in order to unlock it - what happens if you choose to max 10 account wide titles?.  Choosing to use zaishen coins or faction will take just as long (if not longer) to do this.  I think it's just as hard as it always was.207.216.235.240 19:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It might not be easy now, but the old way was objectively much harder: each toon had to earn 10 max titles (or 5 + something we never quite figured out). In contrast, you can earn more than enough zoins (7500) by completing all missions in the game in Hard Mode (earning 7992 zoins and just 4 titles). It's easier still for those with multiple toons; they can focus on short-time/high-yield mish (e.g. ATFH or Imp Sanct).


 * Whether that counts as too easy is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I prefer more things in the game to be challenging so that if I manage to succeed, it means something more (to me) than that I was able to grind away for hours. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Death Leveling
Couldnt you death level using Eternal Aura, Restoration or Lively Was Naomei? With these skills you don't need a hero or rez shrine...you can self rez infinitely. -- Moto   Saxon  23:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Mkay, just read that the Rit rezzes don't work when your party wipes...but I know EA will still work. I'll have to test this later, but it should work. -- Moto   Saxon  23:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I just death leveled it using eternal aura. -- Moto   Saxon  03:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression you couldn't "death level" the phoenix... Got proof? ^.^ I have one of these and few have commented on it. ^.^ Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 04:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can upload a screen shot later I guess...if needed. The old argument was that you had no way of rezzing yourself (no shrines around, you couldn't bring heros, and self rezzes didnt work if your party wiped). Now that Eternal Aura has been updated, it self rezzes with out wiping your party. So you can rez yourself infinitely in order the death level it. I just did this and took my RB from lvl 12 to 13. -- Moto   Saxon  13:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably temporary before they realize the horror they've unleashed on the world, but worth a note | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 14:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * IIRC, DLing using the three hero method takes less than 10 minutes to bring a pet from from L5 to L20. How long does it take without heroes and just EA? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:12, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've nvr DL'ed anything (other then testing the RB from 12 to 13). I'd imagine it would take a long time, since you are solo, and you have to sit at your computer to recast EA every 45 seconds. It does take about 45 seconds for the RB to kill you with 60dp and no armor. And you need that full time for EA to recharge and to regain energy to recast EA. So approx 45 seconds X amount of kills needed to DL up to lvl 20. -- Moto   Saxon  17:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, there's the rub: it's not AFK death leveling. Therefore: it takes forever.


 * According to Death leveling, it takes 342 toon deaths for a pet to go from L5 to L20. Assuming 1 minute per death, that 5.7 hours. Assuming 45 seconds instead, it's just over 4 1⁄4 hours. Unless someone can think of a non-macro/bot way to recast EA, I think we should update the note to say it's possible but impractical to DL the RP. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you'd gone to the effort of obtaining 15 gold zcoins for obtaining it that way, just get the next few silver coins to buy it to lvl 20 seems easier. (depending on ZM/ZB {e.g. augury rock or fronis irontoe} it could be quicker to do zaishen stuff for coins than to DL it, and certainly less boring) --[[Image:User_Chieftain_Alex_Chieftain Signature.png]] Chieftain  Alex 15:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I suspect most people still obtain the Rainbow Phoenix by taming it in the HoM (especially since, apparently, you can use your account-wide list of titles to spawn it). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Question: I dont think the 4 hours for eternal aura account for the possibility of Glyph of Renewal if you are D/E or E/D? if you use that it will be 11 sec for each combo (while you are casting eternal aura the glyph is recharging) making it 5500 secs per 500 deaths which should be around 1.5 hours + moving your toons, but it would require you to sit there and manage it. K61824 19:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Right: GoR: 1s to invoke → EA 4s to cast → 6 more seconds waiting for GoR. But then you also have to suicide, which takes a bit longer. (You have to have just enough health at 60% DP that you can successfully rez from EA and not at a rez shrine.) (Also: no other toons can be present, if your goal is DLing the Rainbow Phoenix; it only appears when you are alone.)


 * So let's call it 80 minutes (since you really only need 342 deaths). That means it's possible but still impractical for 99% of humanity. IMO, it's still faster to farm the zoins (especially since you can farm ecto and buy the 12 in Kam/GToB). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Account-wide accomplishments appear sufficient
I was trying to get this phoenix for ages.. I had my hall almost full (in account accomplishments), except the weapons.

Today I added 9 Weapons and checked my Hall =D (ACCOUNT WIDE) -->



In the next picture you can see my personal achievments, 3 monuments are NOT full (15 minis, 2 armors, 10 weapons)



V izer  10:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)