User talk:Tha Reckoning/ArchiveX

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hi. shut up and stop trolling yourself. learn from User:NuclearVII and User:Pling, because they both have a much more solid grasp on dealing with trolls than you do. - Auron 23:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There's really no need to explain myself, so I'm just responding for the sake of responding, and because I have nothing better to do, since nothing you said really prompts a response anyway. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 23:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Knight in shinning armour dosen't SUIT you X treme 11:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fail, come back when you have something to contribute. I might start immediately archiving idiocy, can I do that, Auron? -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 18:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. And while you're at it, why don't you limit your posts to the archive page? (that was a trolling comment, btw. Pls lern2ignore) NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 18:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ^...learn him well Nuke...learn him well X treme 20:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You guys just exhibit intelligence, it's no wonder the world is in turmoil, it's led by geniuses like you two. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 23:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn he missed it....he was soooo close...some times they just don't get it...he can't learn so he should be put down X treme 11:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

i need attention
i really do--Tipttttttttttttttttttttttttttt 01:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Testing
new sig. -- ' ' 'TR' ' '  19:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * fail, test 2 -- ' ' 'TR' ' ' [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 19:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this is a good one... people that don't know you will have to check your link to your userpage to see who you are, instead of just looking at your name. See this. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] Ertan  19:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well for some reason I can't change my sig anymore now, so it would seem I'm stuck with this one for now. -- ' ' 'TR' ' ' [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 19:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why can't you? Does it say html error? Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] Ertan  19:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I click save and nothing happens. And every time I edit I get a "400 error". I'm on a library computer and the tools tab doesn't have options under it, so I can't mess with cookies. -- ' ' 'TR' ' ' [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 19:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Then this is beyond me, sorry. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] Ertan  20:02, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Is no one satisfied with just plain old text nowadays? de   Kooning  20:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * lol Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] Ertan  20:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Different pc, gonna try it now. -- ' ' 'TR' ' ' [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Test 3. -- <font color="Black">TR [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay boldicize win, I'll do the image when I get home. -- <font color="Black">TR [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Policy states it needs to clearly and easily identify you. Initials ain't it.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.png anguard  20:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. Also, wtb a college library that doesn't smell like a mixture of spaghetti, asians, and BO. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * byoc <font color="#92000a">Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  20:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What does asian smell like? de   Kooning  20:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rice.-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.png anguard  20:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

And the image. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  21:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks big for 19 px, should I make it smaller? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19px]] 21:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Simply write |19x19px, like this:  <font color="#92000a">Titani  [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  21:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Boo -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 21:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Close brackets ftw -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 21:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You forgot the ]] and no double px. Just copy pasta what I wrote. :P <font color="#92000a">Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  21:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I thought that said 19Px19px. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|16px]] 21:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There we go -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 21:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I got ec'd so much, that I won't even bother. <font color="#92000a">Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|Uth]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  21:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol don't feel bad, at least you didn't explode a signature for the 100th time. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 21:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sharp. NuVII  22:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 22:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Sig Test
<font color="Black">Tha Reckoning  01:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Hows my Black TearDrop freind?

 * ^-- Nei l2250  User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 16:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright cricket boy, I'm gonna go find my Diazinon. We'll see who's got tears then. ITS A FLAME. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 18:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Black flame is black. Gtfo Neil :< [ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ] 20:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi im halogawd i fink im lyke germin or sutin, american? NEIN!1!!1!1! <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  02:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Blasphemy. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 02:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Our argument on shards page
WTH are you talking about its not what its about? Oh my god dude you are running in circles so fast its making my head spin. The entire point of the challenge was to show that no matter what you do to an area in PvE it cannot be balanced. your the one trying to pull away from the point here. Your original claim was that his challenge was meaningless trolling. when it was in fact a tool to prove his point that PvE Cannot be balanced the same way PvP can. Your big fancy words Dont scare me. Stop detracting from the point here. We are not talking about whos arguments are invalid or what the definition of invalid is. We're talking about what the goal of Morphs challenge is and whether or not it can be done. Stop with the big fancy words and circling around yourself. okay? Morph has a point with his challenge. The challenge is, in basic terms "Prove that PvE can become un-exploitable.". Because if you cant prove that, then you need to stop bitching about people exploiting it. If you cant see that then yes you ARE ignorant and yes your arguments ARE invalid because you dont know wth your talking about. Briar 14:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I really can't explain it any more simply to you. I'll break it down for you by sentences. Your first two sentences are useless fluff that have nothing to do with this conversation. Your third sentence is incorrect. The challenge has to do with balancing PvE, but the intent behind the challenge is to troll people that criticize Anet, I've seen briar all over the staff pages telling people to stop crying. He doesn't expect anyone to do the challenge, he's just shoving it in people's faces to start trouble. Your fourth sentence is incorrect as well, I have not pulled away from the point at all. Your fifth sentence is correct, I do claim that his challenge is meaningless trolling, because it is. Your sixth sentence, the incomplete one about it being a tool to prove his point, is incorrect, and a copy of a point you failed to make earlier, in sentence number three. Your seventh sentence about big fancy words has nothing to do with the conversation. Your eighth sentence is a copy of your fourth sentence, thus I have already discussed it. Your ninth sentence, about validity, is exactly what we are talking about, because from a logical base, your arguments are invalid, and you didn't know the meaning of the word, so I showed you what it meant. In other words, you are wrong, for the reasons I outlined on shard's page. Your tenth sentence is correct, we are talking about the goal of morphs challenge, but you have a false idea of what that goal is, which is a false premise. Your eleventh sentence has nothing to do with the conversation, another red herring. Your twelfth sentence, that morph has a point with his challenge, is a true conclusion, with a false premise. Morphs conclusion is that pve cannot be balanced, true, but he came to that conclusion because of faulty skills/AI, a false premise. I have already given you the reasons why PvE will not be balanced, because Anet won't do it, and because balance is a subjective term. You haven't even addressed that, further proof that you cannot follow this argument. Your thirteenth sentence, about what the challenge is, is useless, I know what the challenge is. Your fourteenth sentence is based on your thirteenth, and is incorrect. If everyone who wasn't accepted as an expert on something never said anything about their ideas, there would be no good ideas. You don't have to be a certified expert to have a good idea. Your last sentence is a mixture of another instance of ad hominem, and another misuse of the word invalid. That's about as simple as I can make it. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So lemme get this straight, its alright for people to whine bitch and moan about other people exploiting the game, in essence, Trolling the farmers, But its not okay for the farmers to troll the whiners?, no wait, ill make that less biased, the EXPLOITERS to troll the whiners? I see mountains, worlds, GALAXYS worth of people bitching and moaning (trolling) about shadow form, and thats okay, But when one, maybe 2 people, go on a crusade, Defending the skill, it then becomes wrong? O_o Briar 15:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If anyone is seriously defending Shadow Form, they are wrong in every sense of the word. - Auron 15:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ Also, the people bitching about SF aren't trolling farmers. They're bitching that the game is broken. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The game has always been and always will be broken on the side of PvE. That was the point Morph is trying to make. But again, you cant see that. So w/e. Briar 15:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've said that conclusion is true, both on this page, and on shard's, so actually, I can see that. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reckoning, stop being trolled.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  16:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Koda, stop being bad. Dark Morphon 16:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What, were you saying this conversation was going anywhere?  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  17:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course not, I'm just trolling. Dark Morphon 09:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I DARE YOO!
ACCEPT MY CHALLINGZ! Dark Morphon 11:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd lay off that, nobody gives a rat's ass. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 11:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree Reckoning! --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 11:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Then go win his little game so he shuts up lol -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 11:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "People talk about what they care about. They care about GW, and how bad it's become."


 * Contradicting yourself is fun, I herd? If people don't give a rat's ass about PvE, why do they rant about it? Dark Morphon 12:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because contradicting yourself is the new black. ORHADNTUHERD?!?!? >:DBriar 12:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * @ DM, nobody gives a rat's ass about PvE, there are much bigger probs. @ Briar, gtfo? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 12:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ups. Think i made him mad. O.O Briar 12:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you're just dramawhoring your way into conversations, you have nothing to say, so shoo. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 12:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have plenty to say to you. Unfortunatly 99.9999% of it could be categorized as trolling. which makes me sad. :< Briar 12:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I said, you have nothing to contribute. Why are you posting again? -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 12:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

To back up my man morphy. >:D Briar 12:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * /highfive! But seriously sir Reckoning, by your logic nobody should be complaining about PvE? Or should they? Please, make it clear for me. You're being very confusing, changing your opinion all the time. Dark Morphon 13:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't changed my opinion at all, it has always been and remains to be a fact that PvE is on a back burner in this game. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 13:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Very well, if that's the case and if no-one cares about PvE, why the hell are they still ranting about it? Dark Morphon 13:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you ask whoever is ranting? They're probably ranting because SF is broken. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 13:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Who cares about SF being broken? It's only a problem in PvE anyways, and since apparently nobody cares about it there shouldn't be anyone ranting about it. Dark Morphon 13:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Who cares about gw that game died years ago and just because people are talking about it doesn't mean people actually care about it.
 * amirite? --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 13:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you intentionally using poor logic or something? - Auron 13:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh. I can kinda see aurons point. Thats just bad logic right thurr. I just want people to stop bitching and roll a sin is all. Lol. Also i would like them to stop bitching about people abusing PvE because PvE=AI=Exploitable. I dont understand what about that equation is hard to understand. =/ Briar 13:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Me and Dark were playing a pun on Reckoning's quote above (people care about what they talk about or some crap). --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:User Frosty Frostcharge sig.jpg|19px]] 13:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was trying to bust Reckoning's crap. But anyways, that kinda proves the only reason people rant about PvE is because they're fucking trolls. Dark Morphon 13:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * shrug* i rant about PvE From time to time. But everyone already knows im a troll. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........................Briar 13:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * TROLLS UNITED! Dark Morphon 13:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

lawlBriar 13:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * This is why GWW makes me so sick. -- -©- (moo) -- 16:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Opressed trolls of the world unite! --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 16:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not oppressed. -- -©- (moo) -- 16:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a stupid challenge. All I'd have to do is rewrite GW's AI. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 17:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well... oppression means being kept civil in our case. It is not as bad as with the proletariat. ---Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 20:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't act *much* different on PvX. -- -©#@o$- (moo) -- 20:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd love to see your attempt at balancing PvE, Shard. Dark Morphon 09:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should wait to see the SF nerf? He'll have a part of that, however small. Also, since he's building his own NWN module, I'd be inclined to believe that he could at the very least make it more interesting than it is now. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 09:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Shadow Form is irrelevant as only Prophecies skills are allowed. If I hadn't done that, you'd have to balance all the PvE only garbage as well. Dark Morphon 13:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to the rules of your silly contest, I was referring to what's going on right now. Right now, I think Shard is right, and you are wrong. Anyway, you don't stand to gain anything by your little project anyway, stop trying to troll. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 13:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And again you're dismissing arguments. What a surprise. Dark Morphon 15:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't dismiss anything, but I've disproven all of your arguments, yes. This is the nature of a discussion, someone has to be wrong. If you can't accept that, then I recommend not starting things. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No. There's a difference between dismissing (what you've been doing) and defeating points. Dark Morphon 15:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should reread some of my posts, I've explained everything I did. If you think pointing out logical fallacies and holes in arguments is dismissing, then like I said, you shouldn't start things. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 15:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

He stands to make a point jerk. Stop telling people who are trying to make a point that theyre a troll. YOUR the troll. Alright? His point is that PvE is not going to be balanced no matter what skills are nerfed or introduced. No skill tuning on the part of the players OR the monsters will "balance" PvE. His point is that AI is AI. Thus it is exploitable. Always has been, always will be. So people should stop bitching and moaning about things like shadow form. Ok? Im really sick of you calling anyone that doesnt aggree with you a troll. Its really annoying. And really trollish. Hypocracy is NOT win. Briar 13:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you make a point at all? He doesn't have a point, you can go to his page and check it out, his little "dare" is just his pathetic way of trying to discredit people. While it is true that PvE won't be balanced, it's not for the reasons you suggest. PvE will never be balanced because 1. Anet won't do it, and 2. Balance is a subjective term. Thus, you have come to the right conclusion, but your reasoning is invalid. Also, don't try to make points when you haven't even followed the conversation in detail, nobody said anything about skill tuning or skill introduction alone. The only changes suggested were AI tweaks, by Shard. Also, if it's foolish to bitch about SF, then it's even more foolish to cry for people to stop doing it. I call people trolls who are trolling, not just whoever opposes me. Look at any of my pages, I've been disagreed with a hell of a lot, and the word troll only pops up when people like you and your friend post. Nice try, but dont try to make points with invalid reasoning, when you haven't even read the conversation properly, and way to disprove my points by inaccurately insulting me. Again, stop trolling just because I pointed out your buddy is trolling as well. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 14:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you even listening to yourself? how in the good name of god do YOU know what his point is? or whether or not he has one? You IMMEDIATLY discredit him and any ideas he has because you cant/Dont want to accept that he DOES in fact have a point and that it is quite clearly stated with this chalenge. The rules of the challenge are simple, using only the skills from profecies and whatever re-writes you want for AI that you balance a single area of PvE. so yes. this IS partially about skills. And shard was the only one contributing anything usefull to the conversation anyway. Anything anyone else does is this stupid blow morph off and say its a stupid challenge. If its so stupid then why dont you prove that your smart enough to do it AND DO IT instead of shit talking people who propose this idea. I beleive its because you CANT do it. Because AI follows a certain set of rules. Always has, always will. AI will NEVER use skills to the same effect that players use skills because players think. They study and adapt. where-as AI follows protocol as created by some one writing a script of code. All youve done with morph is say that hes trolling and that he has no point when if you actually read the article and paid attention to what he was saying his point is made very clear. YOU CANNOT NOW NOR WILL YOU EVER BALANCE PVE FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT IT IS PVE! Thus you should bitching about it when people exploit it because THATS HOW YOU BEAT PVE. Not with skill. Not with r9 infuse. You beat it by studying the enviroment that your in and countering it. This is the fundamental flaw with the idea that PvE should be balanced. Its rock paper scissors only you ALWAYS know what your opponent is going to use. Thus you can prepare yourself for it. THAT is the point. THAT is the reason for this challenge. If you honestly cant see that then you need to stop posting on any discussion partaining to it because your ignorant on the matter and your arguments about it are invalid. Seeing as im probably gonna get blocked for this, see you in a few weeks. Bye. Briar 14:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. Please type in understandable english, with complete sentences, because I had a hard time following a lot of that. 2. I didn't immediately discredit any ideas he has had, because he hasn't had any. All he did was come here, make a challenge, and claim it to be impossible, this doesn't even really count as a discussion, because no discussing is taking place. I know he's not making a point because I'm reading what he posts. I never claimed to be able to balance PvE, or anything like what you're blithering on about. The second half of your post is mostly useless ranting about why you think PvE can't be balanced, I've already adressed that, so I won't talk about it further, barring your last statements. You claim that my arguments are invalid, but have no way to prove them wrong. You throw down the word invalid like you know what it means. Validity is a term that has to do with how premises relate to a conclusion. Let me explain. In order for an argument to be valid, in any instance where the premises are true, the conclusion must also be true. You claim that my arguments are invalid because I am "ignorant on the matter" and a hypocrite. This is a common logical fallacy called ad hominem. Your argument is invalid because you call into question my character, instead of my premises. Essentially, ad hominem automatically makes your argument invalid, but I can prove it invalid by other means, if you prefer. You also display the red herring, "YOU CANNOT NOW NOR WILL YOU EVER BALANCE PVE...", an attempt to distract from the topic of the argument, another logical fallacy. I never claimed anything like that, thus it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you hadn't noticed, I already told you that your conclusion is correct, but your premises are wrong. You say that AI will always be AI, and that will never change, thus PvE will never be balanced. Shard's premises is that he can tweak AI to make PvE more balanced. Neither of you have addressed this, you've just gone off into left field about this whole thing, because I called you both on your BS. If this challenge were serious, with an intent that wasn't just trolling, then our conversation would be a different one, but as it stands, this argument is over. If you have any questions, you can come to my talk page with them. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 14:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Not only do you spell, use grammar and capslock like a 9 year old, but really, what did Shard add to the discussion that was so "usefull"? "This is a stupid challenge." zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. @Chaos, this is how PvX looks like, immature nerds trying too hard at being rebellious and accepted and spam talk pages with unnecessary posts to get attention. OMG spoiler: I'm being passive aggressive when writing this! Just kidding, faggot. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel  <font face="Arial" size="1">16:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PS i would like to personally apologize to shard for cluttering up his talk page with this. If you would like you can move it to mine or to Reckonings but i have no idea how to do it. MY WIKI-FU IS SO INFERIOR!!! QQ!! Briar 14:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Briar, don't make embarrassingly autistic tl;dr posts when you're on drugs. "And shard was the only one contributing anything usefull to the conversation anyway."
 * Hi Shard...how are you today? I am well. Avatar opens today...I am excited. How is our new weapons customizer NPC coming along?-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 16:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * While I have little knowledge of your common effort, I do believe that Shard is working day and night, pushing the limits of the engine to make his manhood as large as he can. I would assume that it will span several continents, in the end, if I had only known if NWN had continents. NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 17:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You should all shut up. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nuke is right. Aside from that, you don't need me to continue this conversation. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 18:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything above ^ Lolwut?-- Nei l2250   User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 13:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ur a lolwut Dark Morphon 13:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Moving it to my page
Was somewhat hilarious. -- -Chaos- (moo) -- 21:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Uhm
That thing on your page, is that a parody on people who have criticism on Anet or do you really have such a poor understanding of the game? Dark Morphon 17:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is the world according to a guy who does not need to remove conditions from his Mels Resilience boonprot bar.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  18:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I ran that bar when I first started GW, like forever and a day ago. I forgot that everyone here is pro the moment they try something new. Also, @ DM, lol. Which part of what I said was flawed? If you can logically prove anything go ahead, but I'm not getting into another circular discussion where I refute your points using a combination of logic and common sense, and you use reasoning similar to "Durrr I'm right cause I'm right hurr hurr", at which point I /facepalm because I've met six year olds with more intelligence than you. If you think somethings wrong, go ahead, but you'll probably just embarrass yourself (yet again). -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 22:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, where should I start? The fact that you call Dervishes casters? It seems quite obvious to me that that's complete and utter bollocks: Dervishes were designed to be a melee class that boosts himself with Enchantments. Is this a design failure? Well, yes. Aftercast on Spells completely invalidate that design. But calling them a caster? What? When have they ever actually been used as a caster outside of RA?
 * Or, or, that you think counters to Hexes are underpowered? That's a common mistake and that makes it seem simply buffing Hex removal would fix the issue; unfortunate enough, that will only invalidate the type of Hexes that do take skill to play (Water Magic, most of Domination Magic) without actually fixing the problem with the mindless ones (which is them being mindless). Hex removal isn't underpowered, cover Hexes are overpowered. That's a whole lot of difference there.
 * Or what about your comment on Monks? Is there really a profession for which this isn't or hasn't been the case? There is nothing wrong with only a few builds being around as long as they all lead to interesting and strategic play. Axe Warrior builds consist mostly out of the same skills and so do Hammer Mastery and Bow Ranger builds, to name the most important ones. Why do you consider this a problem? Calling Monks healers is also an insult as Protection Prayers is much, much more interesting that Healing Prayers.
 * Paragon heals aren't worth taking anymore as they have been nuked. Of course, the combination of ranged DPS (which is broken to begin with) and strong defenses should never have existed but I assume we're talking about how things are now. Paragons are now pretty much ranged Warriors, nothing more, nothing less.
 * The Asassin being better at KDing than Hammer Warriors? Last time I checked, Assassins didn't do 6 second knocklocks or Bull's someone for 3 seconds doing over 100 damage in the process. Assassins are mindless, yes, but they're not better than Hammer Warriors.
 * Then that thing on Arenanet: You are complaining about a bug that was fixed in no time and either had a really small or no effect whatsoever on the gameplay experience people were having while the rest of the update was probably the best we've had in over a year? Umad?
 * I could continue but you should get the point now. Cut out the crap, man. Now, I'll probably get a post consisting of nothing but NPA violations but hey, it was worth it. Dark Morphon 11:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * p.s. derv order spammers were used as flag runners in gvg for many, many months. - Auron 13:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Reckoning is talking specifically about dervishes doing melee damage, but it is true that they had some uses as supportive casters :P  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  13:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Touché. Still, Dervishes were initially designed as a melee class and have in almost all cases been used like one. Calling it a caster makes no sense. Dark Morphon 16:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * About dervishes, what Auron said. About hexes, yes, hex removals are very underpowered. Last time I checked, being able to pick off 1-2 hexes every 12 seconds while a hexer can put on 3-6 in that time is underpowered. Also, cover hexes are, you guessed it, a type of hex, so what was your point again? Yeah, I can see how domination magic is hard to play. VoR/Empathy/Backfire is very hard to use. The only passably skill requiring hexes of the domination line could be shame and backfire, and you can still random them and get somewhat of an effect, you just get a better effect when you think before you act, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about thinking. I won't argue that buffing hex removal would hurt water magic, though, this is true. About your comment on the number of viable monk builds, the other classes are just as cookie cutter, so that makes it okay? Right. About paragons, check the history, I made that comment pre update. About assassins, it requires much less skill and timing for them to KD things, that's what I meant. Your comment about damage etc had nothing to do with what I said. About the Anet thing, I actually liked this update, if you can find me complaining about any of the skill changes anywhere, be my guest. Also, a bug that prevents the game from being accessed? Yeah, I can see how insignificant that is to a gamer. Doesn't affect the gameplay experience at all, not being able to play. I like how you think my post will be full of NPA violations, even though you've talked to me less than 10 times. When I call you a troll etc, it's not a personal attack, it's the truth. See this topic, for instance, where you come onto my page for no reason other than to bother me about something I wrote. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 21:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever makes you sleep at night, dearie. Pika Fan 04:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't recall asking for a dramawhore. I'll go get Igor for that, if I need one. Bye. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 04:32, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't take the heat? Just QQ moar. Pika Fan 04:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha you're such a joke -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 04:35, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is, your friends think you are a joke :/. Pika Fan 04:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they do. Which ones? Jeremiah, Becca, Brian, Dave, Julie, Jess, Gene, Rob? If none of those names ring a bell, you aren't talking about my friends. Please, come to my page to start shit more. Next time, do your homework too. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 04:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't need to know their real names in order to know they are friends of yours. Neither do I need to be bosom friends with them. Perhaps next time you start engaging in self-denial, try /wristing to escape the truth. Dying works so much better as escapism in general. P.S The difference between you and me, and is that you think everyone that disagrees with you are stupid, and I think idiots are stupid. <3 Pika Fan 04:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone call for a dramawhore!? =D --Briar 04:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah Pika, I'm sure that's the case. There are examples of me calling Yasmin/Shard/Auron stupid all over this wiki. Go and find some, and get out of my hair. You don't know anything about me, and you never will, so stop your pathetic attempts to insult me, all you're doing is coming to my page because you have nothing better to do, being the failure at life that you are. I'm glad you seem to have the impression that I believe everyone who disagrees with me is unintelligent, because that's exactly the kind of behavior you exhibit. You're projecting, it's textbook. Most of the people that prove me wrong are intelligent. Go to my feedback pages and look, Shard and Auron in particular are all over them proving me wrong on every other thing. You are not one of those intelligent people. I call you stupid, because you are an idiot. The world is filled with people like you, that just pop up to bother other people every now and then, when they're done crying and jerking off because their life is oh so bad. Like I said, do your homework if you plan to start trouble. -- <font color="Black">Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 04:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

My response to your response: About Dervishes, I already noted why this isn't enough of an argument to call them casters. Assassins have been used in the past as casters and a very gimmicky one at that, does that mean Assassins as a whole are casters?

About Hex removals, it's quite obvious that Hex removals are not capable of keeping up with Hexes such as the Necromancer has, in particular cover Hexes. That's not my point. My point is that they are perfectly capable of dealing with fine Hexes, such as Water Magic Hexes and Domination Magic Hexes indeed excluding Empathy, Backfire and Visions of Regret, which is why I said most of Domination Magic. Hex removal is fine when compared to well-designed Hexes; therefore, Hex removal isn't the problem, poorly designed Hexes are. Remove them from the game and you'll see that there is nothing wrong with Hex removal.

You then proceed to state that Shame can be used at some effect when used poorly but then again, almost every skill on its own has some effect when used poorly. You have to see a profession as a whole: If the profession only has skills in use that require zero brain activity, it will not require any skill to play. If it only has skills in use that do require skill to play but also have some effectiveness when used badly then the profession as a whole will take skill to play. People who play it badly will be significantly less effective than people who use it well. Domination Magic features a lot of beautiful builds and without the unholy trio it's a very good line.

About Monks, cookie cutter would be when the builds used are gimmicks. If they aren't, I have no issues with them. There's not much more to say about this. It's gameplay quality that counts, not what pictures you have on your skill bar.

About Paragons, what update exactly? The last one? Well, before that update Paragons used some party-wide defenses, but they definitely didn't specifically heal anyone. I'd say it was the other way round: Paragons were excellent spike assisters/DPS machines that also had some decent party-wide defenses.

About Assassins, Flare is much easier to play than Axe Warriors. Does that make them better? No, they're a lot less effective. Dagger combo's are much easier to play than Hammer Warriors. Does that make them better? No, they're also a lot less effective. Unless your definition of "better" is "easier to play", I see no way how your statement can possibly be true.

About the Anet thing, I haven't commented on most of Anet's past updates, does that mean I like them? Do I make up from this that you just ignore the good things and skip straight to what you don't like? Sounds like a bad attitude to me. I know what you're going to say, "lol morphy you just skipped to the bad things here yourself". There is a big difference, however: Your whole post is full of crap, Anet just did one small thing wrong. How small? Well, if you can't log in for 30 seconds, will that really have that much of an impact on your gameplay experience? Yes? Then you're seriously addicted to this game and quite frankly need to get a life. No? Then I don't see the issue here.

About NPA violations blabla etc., I think we've seen enough examples of how you deal with people, regardless of them being right or wrong. You are extremely defensive and will often resort to name calling. I have no quarrel with that, I love drama, but you can't deny it's true. It's nothing more than reasonable to expect NPA violations from one who has done so repeatedly in the past. Dark Morphon 13:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (Tha Reckoning) you're seriously addicted to this game and quite frankly need to get a life QFT Pika Fan 13:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This section has taken a turn for the worse. Be constructive or let it go. NPA bans will be coming shortly. If anyone that is banned doesn't know why, re-read your posts. &mdash; Gares 14:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)