Talk:The Waiting Game

Hall Of Judgement
Who is anticipating fighting a new god, in an area previously inaccessable, and in a fight that perma builds wont help? And what do you think will be the primary methods of killing him? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.15.196.5 (talk).
 * Yes, doubtful (skills mention spirit resurrection in the vale), definitely, snare (possibly the ebon vanguard signet) + "Can't touch this" sounds like the best options so far.  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  13:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh! Oh! I know!... Is it you? | 72  {U|T|C} 13:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Iv turned my camera around to see inside the Hall Of Judgement and turns out we've all been lied to, there is just a big block of concrete, see this--King Of Kamelott [[Image:User_KingOfKamelott_sig.png|15px|Talk Page]] 16:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * prolly just go suicidle with death nova and mega res on everyone, and just hug him and keep dying and mass ressing. Headchopperz 17:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe he's INSIDE that big block of concrete? ^^Class
 * Maybe he is the big the big block of concrete? "Dhuum is under the disguise of a effin huge Block of Concrete!".  At the end of the fight we use the more suitable chucks of the block to build stereo stands. 000.00.00.00  18:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a birds-eye shot, you can't get a good look too see. Reaper94 08:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Which would explain the Mud and Clay bricks which were taken out of the game. --King Of Kamelott  20:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That just proves he MUST be back there. I mean, have you ever seen a block of concrete emit that much light? NO! Thus, the only REASONABLE explanation is that a godlike being MUST be bound by an invisible force in such a way that he can't be seen and fits within the limited space behind those beautiful, towering doors. I mean, there's just no other explanation, is there?  Blood Red Giant  [[Image:User Blood Red Giant sig.jpg]]  Mani Mortus  20:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I can just imagine the cutscene. Dhuum smashing through that block of concrete like it's Lego. --[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] ne shot  20:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * +1 for Mani Mortus | 72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 20:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

fow/uw for melandru, lyssa, dwayna obviously Infested Hydralisk  17:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

My Burning Question
A bunch of my toons have the quest, but the world doesn't have favor right now, anyone know if I can finish it with the Voice of Grenth after updating, or should I avoid updating 'til we get favor again so I can finish this stuff up? 216.167.213.148 01:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Game_updates/20091109 -- Finish up, the update had no change on the quest. Magic  [[Image:User Magic Icon.jpg|19px]] Talk  02:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I just made an account to say this is bs. It has been longer then a few days. Talk
 * I think they're aiming for the weekend. I originally thought it would be today, but since it's not today....it'll probably be Friday. Or...if they're not done with the quest....who knows when it'll be. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  02:23, 10 November 2009  (UTC)


 * This will most likely be done very late thursday GMT; when the next update is due in. Reaper94 08:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A little Harsh
Its a pain that we have to wait and all but what if someone doesnt have the quest. what if they werent able to obtain it.? DOes that mean they cant now complete it? Or participate? (May have been covered but still valid surely)--Nataliexxx 12:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If it works like other quests, as long as someone has the quest in your party you can participate. They won't be able to get the reward however. M3G [[Image:User_M3G_Pumpkin.png‎| 19px | ]] 13:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * For a few cases, you won't be allowed into the quest zone if anyone in the party does not have the quest. A possibility, but I've seen nothing to indicate this will be the case here. Backsword 13:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I have to admit people complaining about daft things never ceases to amaze me. This is a FESTIVAL quest, which I hasten to add said festival ended about 5 days ago. All festival quests are time barred when it comes to accepting them and always have been and always should be (this is akin to people complaining about getting no hat because they weren't on the day they were given out). As it stands for completion of said quest, well clearly it is the voice of grenth or some other such NPC which grants the quest reward in this instance. (which is obvious if you consider the fact that the quest cannot advance until after the quest giver has buggered off, thus clearly one does not gain the quest reward from the quest giver in this instance) Also as said above those who don't have the quest may indeed by able to patriciapte in the quest but they wont get any reward for doing so. That however is not harsh as the OP put it, it's simply the nature of time limited quests and complaining about it shows a complete lack of understanding of how GW opertates and always has operated in regards to festival quests. Most of the wiki is already having to put up with people moaning about the quest not advancing yet, can we please not add complaints about established festival quest practice to the heap? -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * *agrees with Salome* Batchie 13:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * What if you didn't get this quest? Does that mean you'll be left out of the event/s that is going to happen? 220.255.161.129 14:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)halfnode
 * Yes. Or maybe just the reward. NO ONE KNOWS (except the people that made it)! The quest was around for quite awhile, though, so try reading Salome's post. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 14:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * opps can't believe i miss that haha, i agree with the way how quests work but i just hope maybe they will let those that didn't get the quest to particpate in someway. no rewards is better then being left out of something new 220.255.161.129 14:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)halfnode
 * Wow, Salome...
 * ""Festival ended 5 days ago""


 * ""This is a festival quest""


 * Nice. Also are we implying the return of Dhuum is only worth as much as a weekend festival?  I agree with how you view festival events, but the way I see things, quest 1-4 was our once-in-a-lifetime treat (unlimited ToT works) and now we're shifting to a heavier scene.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree with Aliceandsven on this one. While I acknowledge that your response is well thought-out and logical, I would think that the heavy impact that this quest will have on Guild Wars cannon ought to at least warrent a little more consideration than a passing festival quest. Now, Anet might not see it that way, and they're under no duty to do so, but the return of the original god of death is not a mearly "festival event;" it's a world-shattering event with severe implications for all of Tyria (assuming that Dhuum isn't promply put down by the hordes and hordes of PCs waiting at his door).140.209.60.229 19:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually don't understand why this was stapled to Halloween. This is campaign-level business, I think.  Unless we're all in for some big joke.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To clarify the quest has been offered by a festival NPC, thus it is indeed a festival quest, as its time limited nature has shown. Now I would also like to point out that this quest did not need the 3 proceeding quests to be done, for this to be taken and thus there is nothing to say that the following quests in relation to this one will have the proceeding festival quests as a necessity. Simply put the waiting game itself is a festival quest, but that doesn't mean that any subsequent quest will be or that any subsequent quest will require completion of the previous festival quests. I would also like to point out that this quest chain makes perfect sense for halloween if you view it in relation to the actual lore about halloween, the thinning of the barriers between the our world and the afterworld and so on and so forth, is a clear parallel to what is happening with Dhuum. I hope this helps people and put's some minds at rest as basically we don't know til the next quest if this quest is needed to continue the fight against Dhuum, however my guess is that one doesn't need it. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 21:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting comparison. I like it. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bug
I've added a bug section, might need too be moved to the Voice of Grenth section but i'm not sure as its related too both. Reaper94 16:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not really that kind of a bug, as the text he gives you is still correctly referring to the wait time. Deleting the exclemation mark would cause even more confusion among players.84.80.151.136 23:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

An Idea
maby whats happening is that arenanet arnt going to "release" the quest, however they are waiting for someone to "activate it", eg; to do the quest someone has to talk to ... or find ... in a specific area, which will make the "situation change". Headchopperz 22:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would sincerely doubt that. Rather than send people on a wild goose chase, I think we should just do what the quest says and wait (albeit, it doesn't say patiently). Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:49, 10 November 2009  (UTC)

They do make Nicholas a wild goose chase...

Friday the 13th?
Considering that today is the 10th of November, which would thus make Friday the 13th... Who wants to bet that FRIDAY THE 13TH is when Dhuum breaks loose? It IS still a few days off after all. Leave it to Anet to choose a symbologically superstitious day for something 'bad' to happen... Just my thoughts on the matter. Anyone agree/disagree? 99.241.34.49 00:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. So, probably not. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes especially good sense because special events usually fire on Friday's. So almost absolutely not. -- E lven C haos  [[Image:User Elven Chaos RiftEdit.jpg|19px|Elven's Talk Page]] 01:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you know there are more Friday the 13th every 12 years than there are 13ths of any other day? ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting... and no i didnt know. -- Silent Storm  [[Image:User SilentStorm MySig.png|Talk to me|19px]] 01:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How the heck is that possible? That depends on what you start counting from, doesn't it? Also, good theory, those above. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 02:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the gregorian calendar cycles every 12 years. It doesn't matter when you start counting, ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, the Gregorian Calendar cycles eyery 28 years, in a cycle of 11 - 6 - 11 years (due to leap years) --|pixy| 09:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Then that's what I meant. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 09:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

To those saying "it makes sense so it won't happen" - actually, I think that it would happen because it makes sense - Anet doesn't do everything in a way that it doesn't make sense - in fact, I hardly find things with the Live Team that doesn't make sense (some things that don't make sense is the nerfing of Shadow Form - but Linsey *or was it Regina?* said on her talk page that it may one of the first things the Test Krewe works on). I'm placing my money on Friday the 13th with a Jason reference. Dhuum will have one fear and weakness: Water Magic (aka Cold Damage). :3 -- Konig/ talk 09:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Theyre implying A-Net wont do it then because that's what makes sense. And as it makes sence a-net wont do it, implying things that anet do dont make sense. Savvy? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Reaper94 (talk).
 * I hope he does have water weakness, than I can use my anti-destroyer build on him. Ramei Arashi 12:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that if we're lucky, he's all-powerful but will melt with a little liquid thrown on him? | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 13:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be boring though, all powerful and yet melts when water touches him, but then again it would make sense since grenth governs water and maybe that's how grenth managed to down him in the first place 219.74.137.41 13:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)halfnode

Given:
 * 1) ArenaNet nevers makes sense
 * 2) Releasing Dhuum on the evil/unlucky Friday the 13th would make sense.
 * 3) ArenaNet not releasing Dhuum on Friday the 13th would make sense, Given Reason #1.

We can conclude that ArenaNet WILL release Dhuum on Friday the 13th, since it would make sense for them not to release it on Friday the 13th. -- <font color="#dce2e8">R <font color="#cfdae5">I <font color="#b8c2cc">D <font color="#a1b1bf">DLE 16:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Truly sir, you have a dizzying intellect. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 16:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with him, I think they will release on Friday the 13th because it would make sense for them not to, yet they never make sense. Of course, given that logic, it makes sense. --[[Image:User Master Fast sig-icon.png]] Shinigami  King  19:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, some people probably believe you guys. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 19:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They'll release it simultaneously on the 13th and not on the 13th with that kind of logic. Which doesn't make sense. Except it does. *headdesk* --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 21:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Did they also release Schrodinger's Cat in the same update?69.249.223.63 04:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, wait a minute. Anet said they're letting the community nerf shadow form?  Jofiejnifuhl;djfijieakl. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * See my post at Talk:Shadow Form. --Silver Edge 22:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol... i can imagine the developers at Anet having the release schedule for like end of November, and because of you guys they had a re-scheduling for the 13th. I can imagine them cursing you all =)  --|pixy| 09:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I still imagine them recovering from the Halloween do: still with hangovers and the mess in the office to clean. Still trying to work out who's butt was photocopied, scanned and uploaded on to everyone's desktop. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  21:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who's figuring that it'll come along with the November monthly update? (That said, "November monthly update" could very well mean "December monthly update" or "next year." It would be great if someone could work out a Valve time-type chart for ANet.) ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If by "figuring out" you mean "theorizing with a roughly equal chance of being true, given our evidence", then yes. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 00:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one who thinks this waiting has gone on too long? It's just getting boring now, thus i hope its this friday. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you got "figuring out" from in my comment, tbh. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  00:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Me neither, tbph. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 00:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I had a vision. This will happen: The little tiki demons with huge knifes from Diablo II will come out o the underworld, wearing hockey masks, and will kill everyone in every outpost. You'll see. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 01:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok people, UWSCing was nerfed, thus the death rate in the Underworld has significantly dropped and so the rate at which the Reapers can repair the Hall of Judgment is faster than Dhuum's rate of breaking free. Dhuum screwed himself over by spawning his minions.  The end.  The waiting game quest will continue forever, we got master trolled. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet isn't smart enough to come up with that tbh. 98.248.90.248 03:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well anyway, if this is a joke it would be the only one I'd be able to accept. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Best Entry ever
"After accepting the quest, travel to either Zin Ku Corridor (Factions), the Chantry of Secrets (Nightfall) or the Temple of the Ages (Prophecies) and communicate with the Voice of Grenth. * Begin waiting."

LMAO --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.184.76.241 (talk).

LoL, yea - this will be the hardest part for me! Tong2 15:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems the wiki police are simply not having it. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Note
Just edited the note to reflect that Regina obviously means it will be later rather than sooner, not that it will be a 'few days' :) Tong2 15:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

SHE LIED!! 212.116.63.2 06:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Suprise! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Why do I feel like this quest is a big "how do you keep an idiot in suspense" gag [[Image:User_Noggieca_sig.png|User:Noggieca]] Noggieca 18:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it is one, most likely...Tyraelxy 19:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm bored.
So lets speculate on what the date will be when it activates. I personally think 30th of November, Monday.--Im Irrelevant 21:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeh this page deffinately needs more speculation. Tidas 22:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 2011. The day before GW2 comes out. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:17, 13 November 2009  (UTC)
 * ^Reaper94 22:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

December 22nd, 2012. --124.189.66.41 09:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I honestly forgot all about this quest, I just don't think the 'suspense' was enough. So any word on what's actually happening with this?  As for a date, well, as Linsey has said it's not so easy making a quest, I'd say 4-5 weeks from now.  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  19:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think 405 weeks was a better estimate. Tidas 19:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I'm trying to be a more optimistic <font color="Black">000.00.00.00, so I have to make the minor modification. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  20:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometime in 2011, for $25 in the GW2 Online Store. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 16:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Xmas?
I reckon this comes as part of wintersday lol.

Maybe an xmas day update Reaper94 22:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, they are just having issues implementing it. I don't think it's out of the question to say that the Dhuum encounter was already suppose to happen. The Dhuum skills did go live a few days before Halloween. &mdash; <font color="black" size="3px">PmaN 22:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Skill balancers are probably still waiting to argue over Dhuum's skills til after this month's update ... hah. Shame it wasn't today though, Fri. 13th would have been a fun day to kill Dhuum. Lillium 00:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A 'nightmare before Christmas'? Well, they've done a lot of geeking out in the game so far, I can't see why not. Although, it would be fun to have Guild Wars the musical as a quest/mission. Seryu 01:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What? What we are waiting for is three ghosts? No way! Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 10:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (Dhuum arrives) "I am the ghost of wintersday past!" -- E lven C haos  [[Image:User Elven Chaos RiftEdit.jpg|19px|Elven's Talk Page]] 19:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Epic Reaper94 09:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He was called Jesus Christ, not Jesus X 80.47.214.54 18:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And Christmas isn't even the real date of Jesus' birth - it was changed from the birth of a pagan sun god. Jesus' birth is believed to be in March. This is practically proven to be a spring time birth and the origin of Christmas is full proof - yet people still worship Jesus' birth in December. People don't care for specifics, IP, people just care for money and thus keep the now commercialization holiday known as Christmas along with the other holidays. So don't bother correcting a simple nickname. -- Konig/ talk 23:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * @Seryu, we don't have a musical yet, but we do have a play!. Charr: "Like, roarrrrrr!"  :D  Ailina 08:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I hope he comes soon, or else...
This quest may be dhuumed. Vael Victus   03:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just awful. Tidas 09:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, you rock! have a cookie :) [[image:User Shadowphoenix Cookie.jpg|32px]]  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 12:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm starting to think it's going to be several more weeks. If it is, I'm keeping a copy of this quest on at least one of my characters just so I can always remember how loltastic this was. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:28, 14 November 2009  (UTC)
 * Just expect its outcome to happen next year... If you are lucky, it will happen earlier than expected... Elephant 19:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Dhuum's just not ready... He doesn't wan't to come out of the close... i mean the hall of judgement.
 * I hope they allude to Waiting For Godot. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 22:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * so much for the few 'days' waiting  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 23:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope they planned it for upcoming Special Weekend of Thanksgiving. Would make sense i guess... 23:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The arrival of Dhuum will coincide with the release of GW2 and during this quest every GW1 account is gonna get wiped clean to show that the GW world as we know it comes to an end... of course the quest will be kind of epic and all. With that being said, we only need to wait til GW2 is released now, which can only take about another 5 years or so. Happy waiting ! 71.197.130.154 23:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * IP, that obviously isn't the case seeing how it has been repeatedly stated that GW1 servers will continue to run after GW2 is released. Along with the Live Team and their content updates. -- Konig/ talk 02:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "content updates"


 * Hahaha, oh WOW. –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "My ego and smugness amazes me," he continued | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 04:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars, a friendly, family-oriented game, has been praised for being updated on a weekly basis by IGN.com. As such, the Guild Wars Live Team has lived up to it's reputation with a vast array of new and exciting metas, new PvE content that comes out monthly, and most of all, Flying Mounts! Quests that are meant to take time are easily obtainable and can be done within "several undetermined amounts of time that are at the discretion of people who deserve to be fired because they can't program a betting system that gives out rewards to players". --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.29.66.187 (talk).
 * This whole quest is epic fail. Thank god I quitted gw 85.29.99.152 13:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

In this surreal analogy, you stand in a room, bored of your many toys. Tomorrow, someone else joins you and hands you a very large present. It is a toy you can play with, and enjoy; at first you praise this person. Over the next little while, the person hands you various related presents, some big, mostly small, that you can play with also. You thank them. Some of the toys are less than perfect, and you start to feel an internal loathing for the person who gave you them. One day, after you receive twenty presents from the person, and seem full and content, they tell you, "I had one more, but it's not ready. Please enjoy the other toys you have enjoyed all this time while I prepare it just for you." You wait a very short time compared to how long you've had the toys. At the end, you get on the floor and start throwing a tantrum. "WANT IT, WANT IT," you say, and finally, "FUCK YOU! YOU LOUSY ASS MOTHER FAILED ME NOW AND ALWAYS." Excellent conduct, my friends, excellent conduct. | <font color="Red">72  {U|T|C} 14:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

...or else what? Read again what 72 said. Start ignoring this part of the quest for now. It would be better for you. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser 14:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What? 72, people are simply reacting to the fact that Regina and Martin said it would be "days". Well...."days" to most people would mean something less than 1 week (otherwise they would have expected the phrase "a week" or "weeks"). Now people are beginning to rightly expect that Anet has not finished the quest (which they never "officially" told us), and it could be several more days or even another week or two until they finish the quest.
 * I can hardly blame people for getting angry about a wildly underestimated time. It's like the XTH. Most players had "assumed" from various conversations with devs that it would only take a month or so, and here we are 7 months later with no more information than we had way back then. This is the way of Anet, and it has a tendency of pissing off players. Just saying. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:17, 15 November 2009  (UTC)
 * This section should have been about more Dhuum puns. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 16:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 72 = Captain of good analogies. He's right that some people act like that, always being ungrateful and expecting everything yesterday (as anyone would presume with the talk from the live team).  I expected Dhuum to be live after several days, but it's turning out to seem more like it's going to be heading to two weeks.  Maybe the team had some problems.  Maybe they've underestimated the length of time this would take.  Maybe their version of days is our version of weeks.  Yeah, the ingame communication is bad what with people not knowing what's going on.  They need to improve on that, but badgering them all the time isn't going to fix it.  Fixes won't happen overnight.  -- smøni  16:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one going LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL? (Im dhuun now.)<---Pun of the day --<font color="#FFC125">King Of Kamelott  17:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * @AliceandSven: This section is Dhuum... <font color="#A55858">Misery  17:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I lol'd elix Omni 19:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Come on, guys it takes time to actually build quests, test them, that kind of thing, give it another couple of weeks. I've asked as many people I know about this quest and almost everyone has forgotten about it.  Note to Arenanet:  This is not how you build suspense, or maybe I have friends with memories of that of... what was I saying again?  <font color="Black">000.00.00.00  18:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If the community has an atention spam of a few days, it stand within reason that Arena Net should not waste their time speaking about long lasting plans, but instead focus on doing, not talking. In other words, it's further proof that communication is far from being as important as some extremely long winded rants tried to make it be. Erasculio  19:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "I hope they allude to Waiting For Godot."
 * I'm still trying to decide if I've had a successful topic or not. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 20:09, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're decision is dhuumed. -- E lven C haos  [[Image:User Elven Chaos RiftEdit.jpg|19px|Elven's Talk Page]] 20:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Epic success me thinks, the joke has been used twice already. have another cookie ;)  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 21:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Never gonna happen
they gonna wait all the way till april fools then say: "HAHA" we dhuumed you all to wait around for a new quest! lol. 76.202.245.34 23:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * omf so funneh the third time XD Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 05:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fourth, actually. The joke gets old, especially when in the same place. I've probably heard the joke 50 times since the Halloween quests... -- Konig/ talk 06:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I can see myself logging onto GW on my 80th birthday and still having to wait, at least I'll have nothing better to do by then. 81.106.16.151 07:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Never gonna give Dhumm up. ANET will never gonna let us down. Never gonna run away and leave us waiting. Never gonna make us cry or say goodbye to OGW. They're never gonna tell a lie and hurt us. :'( <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 08:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've gained a new understanding of the impatience of game publishers that leads so many games to be released with bugs the developers weren't given the time to fix. Sometimes bugs or other severe issues occur in making a game, especially an MMO. Chances are that if something's getting postponed it's for good reason. I recall recently reading about one MMO that actually wound up crashing the operating system (not new news, granted) and I've seen quite a lot that just up and crash themselves the first few weeks of releasing new content or patches. I'd much rather wait on new content than feel at risk for things like that. Besides, it's not like we're paying a monthly fee, so waiting's hell-a easy and there's quite a lot of other things we could be doing in-game (or out). Seryu 09:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it is a bit odd the way they chose to do this. It seems to me 'The Waiting Game' probably wasn't planned, and likely was an emergency response to player demands like 'why are skellys still in UW' etc. No other online game specifically has a quest that asks you to wait until the developers finish it, at least none that I know of. Typically content is beta tested then released when its finished, not during mid-development. Flipper 00:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Days, Weeks, what's the difference... Skekzyz 12:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's years actually ==Sierra Echo==
 * Infinity is very long. Especially at end. Elephant 15:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * as far as i'm concerned they can make it an april's fool joke, as long as i get my reward :D Class 15:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * which will be a joke too of course ;) 128.176.178.20 16:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Trick or Treat!! :)  Wowzers 17:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

DNE or DNF?
I'm starting to wonder if this quest isn't an allusion to Duke Nukem Forever? Or perhaps this is ANet's subtle way of informing us that they have, in fact, contracted out Take Two Interactive to develop all further content in Guild Wars? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Halloween festival quests sure are fun for Thanksgiving!  Derp   I sure do love month old Halloween candy!   Derp   It's delicious when it's all hard and disgustingly old.   Derp   GG Anet!   Derp   <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:21, 16 November 2009  (UTC)
 * What? Dhuum Nuuhkem Forever? perhaps Anet is just slooooow, perhaps we all dhuumed, perhaps they are just dhuuming us to wait, perhaps they just like laughing at all these dumb dhuum puns. perhaps they want to make the entire GW community quit? who knows anymore 76.202.245.34 22:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ^thats me btw, and everyone post ur best Dhuum puns/jokes on my discussion page Wojo 22:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Forget this Waiting Game, I'm gonna play DHUUM. <font color="#8c9d97">Markus Clouser [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 01:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, all these puns are on the word "doom" :/ | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 01:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow you are all completely stupid... every one has their on thoughts about this quest then everyone is so quick to say "NO, no, no, that's not it, "i'm sure it's not going to.. BLAH BLAH.. shut up.. because you don't know either...

And building and testing quests?? LOL stupidest thing I ever heard.. THEY SHOULD OF DONE THAT BEFORE PUTTING IT IN THE GAME, simple... not hard.. And they probably just won't do it because they realized they ruined the game, they just made everyone ridiculously rich. Putting the already horrible market to death. I got this quest on over 6 accounts with over 67 characters... You realize how much people would make off this?? I'd be getting over 500K, 4800!!!!!!!!!! trick or treat bags... and over 60 scrolls

I heard it would take 3 days... it's been over 2 weeks Guild wars has been dead for over 2 years.

I'm going to ban Anet /report arena net [.]Failure

AN is understaffed. Since they fired some of their workers they got problems with keeping GW in line (Nick is sometimes buggy, skills are not always what they should be after an update etc.). You all should be happy they even bothered with this quest. I don't mind witing as long as the quest is a nice one. Simple solution: if you don't like you don't have to play the game!!! Or at least stop whining like 10yr old girls!--Monolito 06:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's understaffed because of GW2, as far as I understand. You didn't hear it was 3 days from any source that could possibly have known. And few people have 67 characters, nor any other standard by which you could measure how much they had overinvested into the game. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 14:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think most of the development team has already moved on to GW2 and trying to get it finished. This doesn't leave a lot of staff available to create new content. Hard mode and the zaishen quests, both considered major updates to the game, use recycled content and add nothing new short of a few titles and items. If this new quest demands new content like new creatures, instances, maps, etc, then it could take quite awhile as opposed to just writing in a few zaishen models and recycling some quests. Flipper 16:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

A very good point and I hope its true. The sooner we have GW2 the better, and yes while these quests provided a welcome break from the monotony that Guild Wars has become I consider work on GW2 to be far more important.--Evil guy563 16:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * the sooner gw2 will come, the worse it will be tbh. time should be taken on making games <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  18:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

the REAL waiting game
linky linky --|pixy| 11:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that we got a winner!! (take a cookie from the cookies guy). if we are waiting for years for GW2, we can wait a few days until this quest will start. -- Itay Alon 19:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 2011? Argh.  -- smøni  00:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * no worries, play SC2 in the meanwhile! and even when GW2 is out! <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  15:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah SC2 definitely: O ps.: this quest is getting damn annoying. - Wuhy  [[Image:User_Wuhy_sig.jpg]]<font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1"> 15:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i dont mind, easiest quest ever :o <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  19:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly WoW's cataclysm sounds pretty great. I made it to level 74 undead mage so I could just go back, level up, and then the expansion would be here. I thought I'd be playing GW2 for next christmas but I guess not... :'( Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 19:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * wat? you didn't even raid? that's like, the best part of the game. - Auron 21:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i quit wow at lvl 9 <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lol
First quest to get an archive ? Well, MOAR SPAM for MOAR archives =') 80.60.80.108 20:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Quest update
It was updated, Dhuum is stirring. Can't figure out if anything has actually happened though. 98.248.90.248 04:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's whats in this Patch it's notifying us about right now? -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 04:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * yea, it says to talk to the reaper of the labryinth...72.199.117.151 04:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Guildwars.com says Dhuum is a new endboss for uw. After speaking to the reaper of the lab, he tells you to complete all the uw quests to release dhuum. 98.248.90.248 04:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Dhuum is stirring; he's clearly making soup. I'd be hungry after sleeping for millenia too.69.249.223.63 04:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Added note after talking to Reaper of the Labyrinth about clearing all quests to face Dhuum, but forgot to copy down what the reaper tells you after you free the shrine. If anybody can get that that would be great.--Godfather XP 04:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Holidays? ARGH!!! <font face="mistral" color="red">S <font face="mistral" color="black">ardaukar [[File:User_Sardaukar_sig.png]] 04:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * this quest doesn't feel worth doing but i gonna do it anyway becouse i got nothing else to do...91.95.1.20 06:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the endquest rewards:
 * 15,000 Experience per character
 * 5,000 Gold per character
 * 100 Trick-or-Treat Bags per character
 * 1 Passage Scroll to the Underworld per character
 * :-) --|pixy| 07:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * still.not.worth.it. an teh fact that my eye blight of a/es is now changed with a/es in uw odesnt maek it bettr lolboring crap128.176.178.20 10:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * LFG for actual non-sc UW! if not, then only my assassin will finish this quest :/ speaking of wich, who gives the reward?  Jonny10  [[Image:User Jonny10 Sig.png |19px]] 10:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If I were to make an educated guess I would say King Frozenwind. -- Silent Storm  [[Image:User SilentStorm MySig.png|Talk to me|19px]] 11:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * @ 128 176 178 20... I cannot understand you at all dude :-S However... a new quest, a new boss, additional drops, let's all enjoy the game. --|pixy| 11:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet: "Here's a cool idea, let's make everyone do all the quests in the UW for a worthless reward. Oh, and let's make it harder first, so that those 1% of endgame players can't farm it." Thanks, I couldn't even do it before in NM (apart from SC) but I'm sure it's gonna be a very pleasant experience this time, what with all the updates that made the game so much less frustrating. <_< Keneth 14:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Lol SC's are back in UW. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:36, 20 November 2009  (UTC)
 * I think all they did was lengthen what a speed clear in UW was. GG anet -/- Discuss 16:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * lolololololol now we've got a bunch of Mobways sins getting more phat loot that 75% of balanced group wont be able to get. --<font color="#FFC125">King Of Kamelott [[Image:User_KingOfKamelott_sig.png|15px|Talk Page]] 17:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * /bow to the new God of the UW - Mobway! All Hail Mobway, All Hail Mobway. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:19, 20 November 2009  (UTC)
 * instead of adding monsters that penetrate through SF, they could just nerf SF ;o <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  17:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * could, should, wont. 24.34.231.13 17:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Noooo, they can't do that. That would have been too simple and direct. They have to employ circular logic to decide that the real problem that was destroying UW (and now FoW) was not SF, it was obviously the monsters in UW. So, they spend 2-4 weeks making new monsters, a new boss, and new high-end PvE rewards (lol) in order to prevent UWSC and SF from ruining UW. How is that hard to understand? I mean nerfing SF would have just been stupid.........oh...wait. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:43, 20 November 2009  (UTC)

UWSC still works perfectly...--Sierra Echo84.196.126.75 18:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not a roundabout way of doing anything. This is a very direct attempt to give people something to do until GW2 comes out. Lets face it, for a lot of players, there is absolutely nothing to do in the game anymore. Many players have already killed every mob in every zone in hard mode, done every mission and bonus in both modes, captured every elite skill, beaten all the dungeons that should have lasted longer, and sat still while drunk for 6 days of play time. The real reward here is that it's something new to do, although, it will be done rather quickly.75.121.83.113 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What they gave me is one more reason o wait until they change Shadow Form's functionality once a for all. If I get another "just make yourself an assassin" as an answer when I'm looking for parties with my elementalist, I'm going to snap. And it won't be funny like you see in those videos on Youtube. Then I'll take a fukitol and forget about it, though. But it won't be funny until then. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 23:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't completed any game in HM, I've barely begun. Only been playing 1 year. Is defeating Dhuum now required to complete the UW and get the trophy? Ramei Arashi 01:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In a word, yes. There is a new way of going about it. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 02:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That sucks. I've never finished UW, now I have an extra step, that isn't fair. Ramei Arashi 03:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As a rit spirit spammer, I believe that the new speed clear will be done with 2 teams of 4 rits, all with spirit builds, thus utilising every spirit in each team. AKA pure ownage. I alone can clear with my spirits to the forgotten vale, but when I tried to escort souls they walked ahead and one died before I managed to kill all the enemies. The Orlando 13:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That build would pwn everything ever, but duplicate allied spirits cancel each other, and I doubt more than two bars could be filled with useful spirits, and that barely. | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg {U|T|C} 15:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You aren't alone Arashi, many people (like me) don't even attempt the insanity because hardly anyone forms balanced parties. Until the Halloween quests just weeks ago I didn't even know what UW looked like. This quest is one big joke. The permas continue to have their way, again. *repeats 'GW2 is coming' to self* Xiaquin Crystal_Snowflake.png 20:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just with a group that completed all 10 quests, so I got my 100 tots, but we could not finish the UW because one person went AFK and Dhuum will not activate until everyone enters the hall. Dont have to deal with Dhuum to finsh "The Waiting Game" though, just finish the first 10 quests and talk to Frozenwind. But it sucks that I dont' get trouphy and no end chest because one jerk tried to leach the UW. We had 2 perma sins, sort of, the AFK person was a bad perma sin, didn't know what he was doing. I was earth ele. Ramei Arashi 07:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there are enough spirits to fill 4 bars, but also some of the worse ones would be supplemented with skills that help spirits, heal self or others or do direct damage. Also, spirits do cancel eachother out, but only when within (i believe) spirit range or slightly further, thus when the 2 teams split up, the spirits would not affect eachother.The Orlando 21:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

The Dhuum Patrol!
Hello everyone! :D

I made a little wikiforum for all you out there who want to find people to do UW and kill Dhuum with fast and easy!

Check out The Dhuum Patrol for more info!:D

YOU WILL ALL BE DHUUMED!;DCharocles 23:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Unclear quest description
"Completing all quests in the Underworld will release Dhuum." So ... after a bit of thinking I figured that IF i got this quest in time, I can now talk to the reaper to unlock Dhuum. Only the people with this quest can unlock him. When unlocked Dhuum will appear each time after a normal completion of UW as an "extra". Am I correct? Does this mean once one party member has an unlock, all party members can fight Dhuum? -- <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * everyone can fight dhuum, except you can get this reward aswell when you finish UW <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  16:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no one in the party needs to have this quest, it's just a bonus on top of the normal UW rewards. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 16:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So regular UW has been permanently updated to include an optional boss battle? --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 16:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * yeh, he was implemented as a kind of "end boss" for the UW, to try and make speed clears harder. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] <font color="#9400D3">16:49, 22 November 2009  
 * So you complete UW and get the chest AFTER dhuum now? Pff.. FoW really needs an update then. --[[Image:User_Karasu_sig.png|19px]] <font color="Black">Karasu (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * they'll probably give it an update, they might be waiting for an event like they did with this (so possibly wintersday, though don't hold me to it, that's a purely hypothetical, though I imagine there's going to be a FoW update). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] <font color="#9400D3">16:59, 22 November 2009  
 * They may do something with Menzies, since Dhuum was twin brother of Grenth, and Menzies is twin brother of Blathazar. -- Magamdy 19:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Dhuum is Grenth's brother? Where the hell did you get that from?--[[Image:User Oneshot O.JPG|19px]] ne shot  20:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * lol... Dhumm is not Grenth's brother Where the hell did you get that from? &mdash; [[Image:User Balistic Pve Sig.png|19px]] <font color="#7777CC">Balistic 20:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And Menzies is Blathazars half brother, not twin =p '''<font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 21:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the details - yeah, Dhuum looks like a permanent addition to UW as an end boss. I also think that it's very possible that FoW will get the Menzies treatment in the future. The thing I'm a bit sad about though, is part of the implementation. Let me compare it to Mallyx - in DoA, you have to complete 4 areas, and then face Mallyx. You can complete those areas in any order, and with breaks (and all at once for better rewards if you so wish). Also, should you die on Mallyx, you can retry him with no penalty but time spent. In UWs case, you have to complete everything, including Dhuum, in one go. Die at Dhuum (completely) and your work will go down the drain (at least I'm assuming this, since The Nightman Cometh looks like all the other UW/FoW quests in the sense that it'll disappear once you leave the area). Granted Dhuum isn't cheep or hard like Mallyx (Boss quality really improved starting with MOX) but still. &mdash; User_Poki_sig.png Poki#3  (<font color="#8B0000">talk ) 03:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Though I heard somewhere that Dhuum was brother of Grenth...Well whatever... -- Magamdy 07:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, Dhuum was Grenth's predecessor - you probably got the twin brothers thing from the Reaper of the Twin Serpent Mountains who talks about twin brothers who tried to usurp Grenth. Aside from that, the only brother mentioning is Balthazar and Menzies - who are only half brothers. -- Konig/ talk 12:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Reward change
Reward for last year quest is now 250 Treat-or-Trick Bags, if someone haven't done it yet. I'm not sure when it was changed, in the beggining of September it was still 100. Experiance and gold remained unchanged. Lord Ya 22:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The quests are returning, dialogue has changed. Apparently rewards too. I still have the Waiting Game in my quest log on multiple characters and the dialogue is much different. -- Konig / talk 22:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Repeatable Status?
Should this quest now be considered repeatable, as it has now reappeared in 2010? Radthor Dax 21:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * repeatable mean that completion is not recorded, not that completion status is removed before it returns. next year. Backsword 09:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Requirements needed for 2010
I meet the requirements listed for this quest (I have all campaigns+eotn), but the npc will not offer it to me (in 2010, even though I was able to obtain it in 2009). What additional requirements have been added to this quest in 2010? --War_Pig5 07:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So long as you didn't still have it, you should be able to get it. Even if you didn't do the first three quests even, I believe. -- Konig / talk 08:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't get it on my warrior. It just offers the solo quests. King Neoterikos 08:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed this also. My characters who have never done the 2009 prequests, but did grab "the waiting game" and complete it, are not offered the quest. My monk however did do all the 2009 prequests (as well as waiting game), and was offered both "every bit helps" and "the waiting game." So to me it looks like the pre-quests are a pre-requisite this year. (and perhaps, doing them once will entitle you to every following year's waiting game.) FoxBat 16:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's not avaliable this year. 203.118.171.225 22:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is, I got it available on all of my characters - both those who did and didn't do it last year. -- Konig / talk 22:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it repeatable like the others? 203.118.171.225 23:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The first three are not repeatable, Every Bit Helps is. I don't know about The Waiting Game, as I haven't killed Dhuum while the event is up. I'm curious about that as well. --  Konig / talk 00:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible problem?
Can this quest interfere with a normal clearing of UW? I mean, if I have this quest it will spawn more mobs or make dhuum to not appear? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.60.113.39 (talk).
 * The skeletons will spawn no matter if you have this quest accepted or not, and there's no reason why Dhuum shouldn't appear. The only difference for you in having this quest is the fact you get a quest rewards from King Frozenwind after protecting him. -- Arduin  [[Image:User_Arduin_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 09:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answering. I was afraid of that they were not taking me in a party for having it.147.83.59.155 13:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

How about this for a possile problem? I have the waiting game completed in my quests but can't collect the reward. The only thing I can think of is either I was to full and didn't get it like I thought or it's a glitch. Either way not sure what to do. I went back to the FrzKing but he would only talk to me about Something Wicked This way comes. Do I keep the quest and redo Under World or do I dump it and redo underwold after taking it again... If I dump it completed will I be able to pick it up again? My head hurts just thinging about it. Plz Help Anyone Who knows for sure. Blueberry Jam 06:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have Something Wicked This Way Comes in your quest log? If you do, you can try abandoning that quest and then go back and see if he gives the reward for The Waiting Game. --Silver Edge 07:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

2009 Dialogue
So far, every quest from last year has had different dialogue this year. On this page, the only different dialogue that's listed is the initial dialogue. Were the intermediate and reward dialogues the same this year and last? --Musha 01:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

This & ALL the Festival quests gone from Log!; why different than 2009?
Brief background, update from support, and what next?<BR>
 * Background - While most quest are expected to be done during the event, but this was introduced last year and was available since then to complete & redeem as the NPC who is required ( King Frozenwind ) is available all-year round since existing NPC for other Underworld quest. There is nothing special about him like the Mad king who is only available during special seasonal events. So like previously, I worked hard to get several characters advanced to Lion's Arch & Temple of Age and then through the quest chain in series to that point just so could save its completion (which is long/difficult doing all the Elite area quests) later with guildees as had done on my primary character before. However I was SHOCKED (& from Forum posts, others where too!) when ALL the Festival quests were removed on Nov 2nd. This new behavior was not announced or explained in any of the updates.<BR>
 * Support's reply : So I opened a ticket with them not sure if accident/bug only to get the following response form GM Lemoncorba "I looked in to the issue and have determined that it is not a bug, and that the game is working as designed. Former years' Halloween quests are now designed to be repeatable each year. This means that, by design, they will be removed from the individual player's quest log as soon as the festival ends making them like the other event quests." Then when I tried to explain that The Waiting Game was different and anyway to investigate at least a restore of it, I got "There are no plans to revert any of the Halloween quests to their past status." & "the support system is not an official venue to share your thoughts and ideas with the Development Team. Due to legal reasons, we are only able to officially accept suggestions about these changes through the Guild Wars Wiki"<BR>
 * Now what?<BR> Perhaps at least adding a "Note" sections as Warning to completed & get reward for next year if the new behavior is expected to repeating having it removed at the end of the Halloween event each time? So I am posting this open question to the community and hoping that not only will not get erased but maybe someone from the Development team will see. Thanks! [[Image:User_V13_Savage_Clan-Wiki-Signature.gif|http://www.v13clan.com/]] 06:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)