User talk:Gaile Gray/Archive Wiki Topics/Jan - Mar 2008

Email
Hi Gaile, I've been looking around your page for a while, and I can't seem to find a link to email you. I'm probably blind or something, but considering that I need to message you about something that needs urgent attention... yeah. Thought I'd drop a line. Thanks! -- Elv 08:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There is an 'e-mail this user' link in the toolbox to the left on the wiki page of a user if that user has set an e-mail for the wiki. Gaile does have it so you can use it to e-mail her. Note that you can send game exploits etc directly to the support team e-mail. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 09:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm pretty sleepy, so I guess I overlooked it. :) -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 09:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, three seconds later I find out that the link doesn't work because of a lack of validated email / disabled email option. -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 09:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I enabled emails; not sure how it was disabled, but my apologies. I have responded to your message, and thank you! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I got your email, thanks for the trouble. :) -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 22:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

May I ...
May I point out this discussion on Izzy's page. I'm sure that is not you and the history says I'm right. I'm telling you this so ppl won't have the wrong ideas about you. Also the other person is not Izzy. Prolly the same person. --MageMontu 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it got removed. --MageMontu 21:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I blocked both and removed the "discussion". Feel free to revert if you think that was wrong though, as always. :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 21:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah its better like that, don't want ppl to have the wrong ideas. --MageMontu 21:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Anja, my ever-diligent, ever-helpful Wiki friend. I sure do appreciate you!
 * Thank you, as well, MageMontu. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking about Izzy, how is he doing? He hasn't been in an accident or anything like that I hope? Because we kinda miss him on his talk page. I hope he isn't posting anymore because he's busy or because of some people's replies. I don't hope he has problems (physical or computeral). Nicky Silverstar 08:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiki image issue
Seeing as it should be afternoon over there now, and lunch time should be over (unless my grasp of time differences is way off), would you mind running into the tech area and give the guys/girls that manage the wiki a bonk on the noggin', with a pointer in this direction? Those error messages are spreading throughout the wiki. :( &mdash; Galil 20:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Emily is usually great at getting our requests to IT ;) -- Brains12  • Talk  • 21:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I saw Gaile post something on recent changes and figured it'd be faster if she was here and got the message instantly. :P &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 21:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have sent an email to Emily, whom I often consult for wiki issues. We'll get this looked into right away. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 07:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Bless Emily's heart, she's discussing this with our IT folks, and we're hopeful for a resolution soon. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Traffic
Hey gaile! maybe you have already seen it: []. i'd like to know, should we point to your page in such cases where someone asks to give feedback on gw? - Y0_ ich_halt  20:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this really isn't the place. A wiki is a place to get, or give, all sorts of information. We have a gazillion topics, and the talk pages connected to those topics should be used for comments on a particular game element, issue, or concern. For instance, we have a full article on Hall of Monuments, and it's on the HoM Talk Pages that people should post their questions, concerns, suggestions, or other input. I created individual suggestions pages for Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, and I think they're serving a purpose, too, and I know they are viewed by the devs from time to time. Those would each be better places for the posting of someone's personal opinion than this page. Hope that helps. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ok, i'll just point people to the suggestion pages :D - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 11:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Temporary protection
Hello, Gaile, I have had to protect your user page and user talk page temporarily against unregistered users due to constant vandalism by proxies and whatnot. Apologies for those IPs who genuinely need to contact Gaile, and to yourself as well Gaile. -- Brains12  • Talk  • 22:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck on the random-page proxie attack now Brains =\ &mdash; Rappy 22:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Easier to revert than malicious edits interspersed with good edits on this page.  Calor  (t) 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking steps to protect this page. I'm fine with using whatever protections you guys feel is appropriate, up to and including blocking unregistered users. Thanks again. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

FAQ
Just a little suggestion, I think a FAQ for you would be handy. A place with the official standing for all those frequent topics like: storage, hairdresses, hom<->gw2, 7 heroes, etc. Coran Ironclaw 17:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of these things have been requested and are not currently in design. (In the case of the HoM, we don't have details to provide at this time and likely will not have them for some months.) Does it seem worthwhile to have an FAQ to point out pretty much the same information on a half-dozen requests? Let me think about it, and let others share their thoughts on the subject. Thanks. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say posting a link at the top of your talk page to, say User:Gaile Gray/FAQ, which would contain a list of the questions you feel are most commonly asked, could help reduce spam to your talk page. Armond 20:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If just a place where you collect all your more lengthy posts answering the most commonly asked questions, I think it would be great. Not all players are wiki talk page/forum thread diggers, and discussion is kinda scattered sometimes :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 00:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It would keep your talk page a lot cleaner I hope, I'm all for it ^^ --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 08:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How awesome would it be to have a Gaile visit which did not include Pet Storage questions, HoM Questions or the required Hairdresser Question (I hope to God they don't call it a hairdresser, that's so gay), they are boring and cliched and every time someone asks it, you would have to think they should know better and expect they "no news" response. I am sure anyone with common sense would expect if there was a change in any of these topics - because of their repeated requests - you would likely make a special Gaile visit just to tell us. 122.104.225.225 04:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea Gaile, and would help you out on not having to answer the same questions over and over. :) [[Image:User_Foxysheri_sig.png]] Foxysheri
 * I have started on this project, but I'm going to try to keep it very small, so I don't find myself having to update the FAQ on a daily basis. I should be able to post something next week. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 01:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions and Redirects
I need a little advice. A lot of people are placing their suggestions on this talk page, rather than using the Guild Wars Suggestions or Guild Wars 2 Suggestions sections. However, I made the Suggestions sections with a few purposes, primary amongst them to give the Devs a single place to look for GW and GW2 suggestions (which benefits devs and benefits players) with the secondary benefit of keeping the pages organized and manageable in size. However, a lot of people seem to forget to use the Suggestions pages.

I would like to clear with the GWW community the following proposed process: If someone places what is clearly a GW or GW2 suggestion on this talk page, I would like to simply move it to the appropriate Suggestions section without a redirect, instead using the Summary to explain "Moving to Suggestions page." I have four reasons: It keeps things organized and focused; it saves me time; it keeps this page more accessible by reducing its size; and it prevents someone from intentionally "flagging via placement" by putting things here even if he/she knows the article should be/will eventually be moved to Suggestions.

There are four or five articles on this page right now that should be on Suggestions. I don't want to break with accepted practice or general processes and procedures (if this proposal would fall considered outside the norm). However, I believe that as the GWW and GW2W grow, the problem of using main talk pages instead of topical sub-pages will grow. May I have feedback on changing to a "move leaving summary notes" instead of "move leaving redirects" practice? -- Gaile 20:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This sounds like it should be in Gaile's talk page suggestion page... that was funnier in my head. Joking aside, that sounds fine to me. --  Broodling [[Image:User Broodling67 sig.PNG]] 21:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * no problems with that here. I geuss you should say that at the top of this page, or people will be like, where the Fck did my post go? Rhydeble 21:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be fine for people who frequent this page regularly. But those people are probably the same people that know they should use the Suggestion pages for their suggestions. For the odd newbie that isn't used to wikis or doesn't know how you regulate your userpages, there could be a problem of reentering the suggestion, or asking you where they went; I'm pretty sure not all people who suggest things check the history for summaries. There's also a problem of policy, as Guild Wars Wiki:User pages says comments can only be removed if they are being archived and requires a prominent link on the original page. Seeing as moving to a topical page is in essence archiving, a link would still be required. --  Brains12  • Talk  • 21:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, just realised that archived comments don't have link to every archive they are sent to, so moved comments may not either. Hmm. -- Brains12  • Talk  • 21:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guess that really sums up the question: Archiving does not require redirects. (Thank heavens, or this page would be nothing but redirects and would be 4GB in size. ;) ) I wonder if moving to topical pages does require redirects. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the main difference between archiving something and moving to a topical page is that the latter is still active, and all contrubuters still expect to see it there, or see where it went. Leaving a link fulfills that requirement. Moving without one doesn't. I guess it comes down to etiquette - if you want people to know where their active contribution has gone, you leave a "moved to". This just makes more sense to me, and if policy anticipated a situation such as this, I am pretty sure it would include it. -- Brains12  • Talk  • 22:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We wouldn't make Gaile put a moved template on if she decided to quick-archive a topic that wasn't really dead. People know to check archives for that sort of thing, and with the notices at the top of the page, they should be able to pick up checking the suggestions pages. My personal view, go ahead and move things to appropriate subpages (i.e. User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Whatever), as long as you still use a moved template when you move something to an entirely different talk page (e.g. Talk:Hall_of_Monuments). - Tanetris 01:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile, if you put a link on the main page of the wiki to both pages i think it would cut down posts here a lot, mainly because i think part of the problem is that people just don't know they exist. the other thing you should do is at the top of your talk page put what you wrote here(aka the first part of this "thread?") and i think that will also help the last thing and i think its the main reason why people post here is because they get some sort of response from you/anet here, i think its that simple and if there is some one from anet that reads and comments on the other pages then i think they will be more successful
 * Sorry!! I feel bad now :( Yu Takami 17:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Archive Warning Notice: GW2 Suggestion Page
Would it be alright if I reworded that template (taking out instructions to repost after archive etc) and put it back on the page? -- Hawk Skeer  (Talk) 17:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that I would prefer that you not do that. I don't generally archive a full month at once, so the "sign" that you created wasn't really accurate, and I'm not sure that it was necessary, you see? If you feel differently, please do let me know and we can discuss, by all means. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 21:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, by the end of the month, the page is gigantic, very slow to load and needs archiving badly. I saw the navbox to the left of the page is divided by month, so I made that template to warn users that someone was going to archive at the end of the month, or so I thought, judging from the navbox. The template was to encourage people to hold off on posting new ideas at the end of the month so they wouldn't wake up one morning and find the whole page gone and nobody had yet commented on their idea. -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png|Assassin Symbol]] (Talk) 03:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile, I think what Hawk would really like is if you could please archive the GW2 suggestions page? It's proportions are positively elephantine. :) Also for future reference would you prefer to archive this page yourself or can a suggestions enthusiast (like Hawk :) help out by regularly archiving topics which haven't had any comments for say half a month? --Aspectacle 04:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, now. Considering I spent more than an hour this evening archiving, sorting, and resetting chronology, I think we're pretty much in ok shape for now. The proportions aren't all that elephantine any longer, are they? ;) The fact is, I don't archive abruptly at the end of the month, because doing that might prematurely end on-going discussions. So today, I finally finished archiving December (which explains why the page was so large!) and I then archived only through early January. I'll try to keep up on archiving, but undoubtedly the pages are going to grow, and yet, I think that's really ok in the overall view.
 * (Yes, thank you for asking, I would prefer to archive my own talk pages. It just feels more respectful for me to do that.) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 05:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Guild Wars suggestions page is much trimmed, thank you. :) Unfortunately, GW2 suggestions still has a long prehensile nose and tusks. ;) When you find yourself predisposed to tackling another mammoth archive task we'd be grateful. --Aspectacle 05:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * *hand on forehead* *deep sigh* Yes, yes, I know the GW2SP needs a good pruning, too, but I just wasn't up to two Herculean tasks in a single day. :) I'll get to it in the next few days, I'm sure. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Finger muscles needs some gym time! LoL Renin 07:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think a big Thank You for Gaile is appropriate in fact, the time that you put in answering and archiving here on wiki isn't going on unnoticed by (I am sure) a lot of people. I for sure appreciate it and I'm not alone ;-) Keep up the good work =) --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 12:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You bet. :) At times it must be a pretty thankless job dealing with the community, and all that archiving that the wiki needs you to do - and then you get me nagging. :P I love reading your talk pages and am really glad you continue to take the time to maintain them. --Aspectacle 22:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In the interests of GW2W, might it be better to have the page there instead of here...just thinking about the future of that wiki...though it might cut suggestions down...Killer Revan 23:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gaile, I don't like to sound like I'm (or we) nagging but a growing concern over at GW2 suggestion page is overflowing like crazy. It seriously needs some of that Gaile love and magic! Renin 08:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would be nice to have a clean page, I got many things I want to add :D House Of Furyan 08:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the love and magic on suggestion page for GW2 Gaile! Yay! Renin 01:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it. Have a nice suggestion from Aspectacle about dividing it, but at least for now it'll be split into months! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 02:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If I can give you a hug without being sued I'd give it! yeah I read that one, problem with that one, and much like the problem you have on yours, is that, now more and more users doesn't read the guidelines and will just post them here or on suggestion's main page! Expect to be archiving more and more post on GW2 suggestion page though! Renin 02:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

A Wiki Question
gaile, sorry if this is a noob question, but how do you get the symbol after your name when people sign with ~ ~ ~ ~(without spaces), you know how you have that purple paw at the end of something you added/edited in discussions. Im just wondering cuz i thought the Dervish Symbol is awesome ^^ TitanSacranus 01:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See our signature policy first then check out Help:Signatures. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * nm. I'm not dont go much around the wikis anyways. TitanSacranus 01:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Then y'd u bother asking??? wtf?! 24.141.45.72 03:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Mr IP there! WTF?! -- Salome 09:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, you two! Keep the not-so-welcoming attitude off my page, eh? ;) Ok, a bit more seriously: I don't want to discourage questions or a friendly inquiry, and as you can see, Ab.er.rant provided some helpful tips to get the answer. I hope that TitanSacranus will look at those links and join us in more discussions in the future. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that Gaile, just seemed like a really rude thing for Titan to say though, which the gist seemed to basically be "How do you do your wee sign thingy? oh it involves going away and actually reading, never mind then I cant be bothered", nay thank you or nothing, but I'll try and refrain from impulse answers in the future. ;o) -- Salome 00:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New Ranger Image
Just a short request, do you think you would be able to upload a new picture of your ranger, please? The current one is actually even breaking the image policy due to the name and ring (not to mention I believe you would be able to get a better picture than anyone else ;) ). &mdash; Galil 03:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a user image so it's not breaking that. The ring is part of a guideline, not a policy. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just edited that pig pic a bit and uploaded it again picture of Gaile's ranger :P --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 12:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll be honest. I haven't actually read the whole image policy/formatting guideline, just parts of it. It's just stated pretty much all over the wiki so I assumed it was. :P As for the image, that looks better indeed. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 15:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, who you calling a pig? ;) ;) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 16:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops so sorry.. Wasn't intentional.. I should do like my mom taught me and read again before I post anything.. ^^ BTW pigs are cute, aren't they ^^ --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 19:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So cute they wanted them back in the last event :D  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 19:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * they aren't --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 23:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I more prefer their taste rather than their looks :P --MageMontu 07:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the whole package deal. ^_^ nsfw maybe idk lol - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 07:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

More Spam Bots for Game Gold?
I have never got a PM before telling me to buy gold or view a website and I have played for almost two years but now in the last week I have had it happen 3 times on separate days. Are Spammers up or is it just bad luck? I use the /report but they leave the town before I finish typing so Gaile is there any quick way to report or is the only way, to be faster or send a pic to Anet Support and should I even report them since they are more than likely trial accounts that banning will just make them use another. -- Natalie Black 02:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's definitely more of them. I've reported about half a dozen of them in the last week. -- Gordon Ecker 03:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've addressed this topic multiple times on the GWW and on forums. Nothing is more effective than hitting /report and sending a direct report, if you are able to do so. Use "Spamming" as the reason, unless we later add "gold selling" as a reason, which is something I have requested but may not be possible. I realize that you cannot /report someone who is not in your district, so in that case, you may use the Botwatch page to report gold-selling advertisers. This situation will be greatly eased in approximately two weeks, as the last of the free online demos expire, and as we move to alternative systems. Thank you. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet, I didn't know about this - I already shared it with my guild and alliance! Doing my part in the Bots Wars ;) Barinthus 06:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be the ugame site every time, it's getting quite tiring. Adding another name to the botwatch page. Gaile, maybe it's a good idea to keep a link to it at the top of your talk page? EDIT: Never mind, it's there. I'm just blind. xD -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 11:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. I will use the Botwatch if they are to fast to use the /report. It seams to be ugame for me also. -- Natalie Black [[Image:User_NatalieBlack_sig.jpg| ]] 18:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can block words, why not just block the addresses of know gold selling sites from chat? If they can't tell people where to go, they can't sell gold. Lord Belar 22:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Dividing Gw2 suggestions
Hi Gaile! So the GW2 suggestions page has got so large that I can no longer visit the page from some computers I use - so I'd like to be a little more proactive about tidying the page up. If you'll let me. :) I think splitting the page into smaller subcategories could help keep the page manageable. From what is on the page at the moment I can suggest these subpages; "Weapons and Damage", "Interface, Party and Guild Functions", "Professions and Races", "PvE suggestions", "PvP suggestions", "General/Other". I hope that breaks the page into some more managable chunks and serves as a middle ground between as one elephantine page and the archived page. What do you think?  I'm sure there are plenty of us who'd be happy to help to manage and organise the large number of suggestions you get until you are able to read them and give the attention you want to give them.  Just say the word. :) --Aspectacle 09:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice idea House Of Furyan 12:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about these divisions, and they may make sense. On the other hand, what about those posts where people put multiple suggestions in a single thread? We'd not want those repeated, of course. Do you think the community would reconcile to putting single, smaller posts under different subcategories?


 * I'm certainly open to all sorts of good ideas about how best to archive the Suggestions pages. I'm doing it by month, and I'm very concerned about sorting things because I think it would take a huge amount of my time to do so. On the other hand, having topics would be cool. So let me know what you guys all think! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I was thinking. If it's alright with you Gaile, maybe we work as a community to organize these suggestions for you? Maybe we can make a new article to house these suggestions, lay down some ground rules on how to post ideas, and then work to find a good way to organize them. I understand you are really busy, and, evidently from all of our waxing poetic on games to be, we are not.


 * One idea I already have is to include a "frequently suggested" section with sub topics like mounts, auction houses, houses, and "not WoW" where people could discuss these common desires.


 * Of course we would want you, Gaile, to be involved, and any ideas/requests you may have on how to organize the page or otherwise administer it, we would do our best to follow. In particular, I like Gaile's idea of getting people to provide like an introduction to an idea on the suggestion page and then linking to their user page to explore some of the details.


 * Anyway, what do you think Gaile? Would you mind if we kind of took the reins a little bit? Don't feel threatened, we are not trying to dipose you as Queen of All Things GW Community, but see that the site could use some organization and want to help you so that you can concentrate on doing more important things, like actually making sure the devs put pirate ships in the game! (Satanael 07:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Ar... pirate ships, me hearty. Thar be a mighty fine ideah, matey. :) On topic, >_>; there are many ways the page could be split up.  It seems there are a lot of suggestions about the suggestions pages.
 * I'm not sure how those making suggestions are going to react to splitting up their group of ideas, but I think it's worth a try - because often a different good idea is lost in ideas we've seen before. Satanael (and anyone else who's keen) perhaps we could collaborate on making a sandbox example of a new layout so Gaile can see how this could work? --Aspectacle 22:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Check This Out
Hey there make sure u check this out and post here User:Shadowphoenix/User Birthdays --Shadowphoenix 05:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, dang! That's a real friendly thing to get started. Nice!! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 05:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I like to do stuff like that. I thought it might help bring up wiki morale   XD  --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 05:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good for you! I signed up right away. :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 05:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :o) --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 05:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Do we get a mini from you? XD Renin 08:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool initiative! I've been so cheeky as to add my name- notice that I'm sharing my birthday already! :o -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 08:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nicely Done :) Name Added Crazy 10:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Very nice idea! Added my name ;-) --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 12:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry no mini lol XD --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 13:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You lie! I know you'll give us minis! :s hahaha You know I'm just kidding right? XD great idea btw Renin 14:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If I could I would give u all minis but i havent even gotten my first one yet lol --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 18:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

GW2 Suggestions Organization
Hi Gaile! I've created a sandbox on my user page here. I'm going to ask various people in the community in particular, and post a reference on the suggestion page so that people can give their suggestions on how to better organize the suggestions on the suggestion page (sorry, I wanted to do that).

However, before I continue any further, I wanted to make sure we actually have your blessing to try and find an acceptable way to organize the suggestions. Please let me know if you are alright with this, and also please let me know what you think of the sandbox so far. Thanks! (Satanael 08:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC))
 * I took a look, and I think you have good ideas. Here are thoughts:
 * How do we settle upon the best types and the most reasonable numbers of suggestion categories? Right now, a few of those aren't clear to me, and the number of categories looks a tad high, but both may be just right. I'd love some input on this before we move any further down this path.
 * As far as input: What might we be missing? For instance, I also don't see a category for skills, and I'm sure that once we have the professions announced, players will want to comment on skills.
 * Are players ok with splitting up ideas into these "buckets" so that the designers will be able to find them easily? I'm sure they will realize that at a certain point, even with categories, we will need to archive, but I think an archive into each separate category will be viable.
 * Will players feel that they need to post multiple times, or across categories? I hope not. Once made, a suggestion is "in there" and posting it repeatedly, or making multiple threads on the same subject, just means more chaff for the devs to plow through to get to the wheat. :)
 * I will be looking for feedback on this subject. I appreciate the effort you've put into this, Santanael, and of course hope to get lots of community involvement if we move to a new category-based system. :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which reminds me, when can we expect new info about GW 2? I'm starving for more info, especially info regarding professions. --MageMontu 23:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Her talk on GW2W in a section near the bottom has the answer.  Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 23:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah thnx. I should read the GW2W more frequently ;) --MageMontu 23:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Take also into consideration that more than half of the posters (especially the new ones) will probably keep reposting the same topic if they do not see it in the main page. I've seen the "Auction house" posted almost every month by different ip addresses. Renin 06:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is true. It will take some heavy monitoring and archiving help to keep things ordered. I'm not sure if we have to let threads continue, or if we can merge new topics on the same theme with a previous thread. That gets trickier when one is in the main page and the others are archived. But I'm sure we can work out a good process. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 07:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Things like mounts and houses is why I've added a "frequent topics" section, which lists the frequent topics. I don't think this will necessarily stop the reposting, but I think it will at least curb it.

BTW, "and I'm sure that once we have the professions announced, players will want to comment on skills." (emphasis added) thanks, Gaile, for confirming that we will have professions in GW2 ;-)

Anyway, yeah, I think something that is directed towards skills would be good, though I kind of thought that "PvP" would be a good place for that, although that's probably not clear. I agree that there should be some clean up and clarifications of the topics. I would really appreciate if people could give me their two cents on the categories, and please be specific!(Satanael 13:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Oh my! I guess I need to watch myself and say "Once we have... "various and random things"... announced..." eh? ;) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a Thought Gaile, Seeing GW2 is on every related Guild Wars Site that people can discuss ideas like Wiki or Guru as of Guild Wars online etc. etc. Seeing Guild Wars 2 is about almost a complete new game would it help to make a individual site for Guild Wars 2 soon so people from all communities come to one site and post their ideas until the game comes out? It would cut back on some of the In-Game messages u get about GW 2 as of topics on Guild Wars sites. As a list of TOP considerations can be listed on the site itself or something like "Most Requested GW2 Features" Area where is a whole one topic on the auction house and etc. etc. Like I said its a idea but I bet it will help Anet ALOT by going to one source to get feedback from the fans of a Great Game. --72.178.138.105 14:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I really appreciate all the helpful ideas. I think with just a bit more discussion here amongst all potential editors, we can settle on the categories and move forward.I would say that there are many suggestions that are cross-category, so is there a way to indicate that, so we don't find ourselves putting the same suggestion into four pages because it touches four topics? With category pages, I'm confident contributors will get in the habit of putting up individual suggestions instead of many in a single post. But for archives of existing topics, how do we sort that? -- Gaile 04:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
"WARNING: This page is 112 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections."

IE 5-7 is one of those browsers...

Gaile maybe you should either increase your rate of archiving or do split it into more sectons. 68.151.27.108 04:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * People post so much it is a full time job keeping it archived I am sure, lol -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 04:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I archive regularly, I assure you. In fact, I devote a few of my weekend hours to make sure I'm caught up. I do apologize for difficulties in reaching or being active on this page, and I will try to take care of some archiving tomorrow. It's very nice to have a lively conversation with players, and I have no problem giving the time needed to keep up -- even if some days I have to prioritize other things. Hope you understand. :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 06:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Between the wiki, the forums, the boatload of e-mail you no doubt have to deal with and the occasional in-game visit, it's a wonder you have enough hours in the day... :) Speaking of which, do you give advance notice of visits, or do we just have to get lucky enough to be around at the time? -- Sirius 08:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I do understand Gaile :) as ya....your in-game visits are pretty hecktic. And just another reason to use FireFox ^^68.151.27.108 14:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * regarding in game visits what most people do is have gaile on their friends list then jump to kamadan id1 as soon as she logs in lol. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 19:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol or Shing jea id1, Gunners Hold id1 etc. But back to the archiving topic...I flag her for that and she starts massively archiving....I feel so responsible....>>-DominatorMatrix- 19:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * i am glad your archiving but archiving something that was posted on today dosnt make any sense. also if people are havening problems with visiting a page that is 112 Kilobytes is quite sad. and i am shocked that your computer can run gw. also if you are havening that problem you can fix it your self buy deleting you "chash' and temp stuff. most newer internet browsers have a clear privet data feacher that you can do.

Page With Problems
Just so you now Gaile under 1280*800 the page is to wide and you have to scroll plus some of the text is either distorted or choped off. [IE7] 68.151.27.108 23:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * lol IE. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 00:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear that. Do you mean User Page, or User:Talk page? As far as I can tell, I don't have anything that would extend the pages to make either overly wide. I will check it out, but I'm afraid I may not be able to do a redesign at this time. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Its your User: Page, it might be a wiki issue, or IE issue as theres no reason for the 1 inch gap on the right side. 68.151.27.108 22:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's kinda funny because I have no troubles viewing the page on any resolution with IE7 also. - [[Image:User Nian Sig.png|21px]] nian  22:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I used to have a similiar problem on my user page but I've forgotten what caused it... There was a large empty gap too but only with IE. You might wanna try alternative browsers like firefox or opera. :s - [[Image:User Nian Sig.png|21px]] nian  22:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I opened in IE, and from what I can see, the issue is with the User:Talk page, not the User page. (Yes?) I think I've spotted the issue: The background image is sort of volunteering to repeat itself over on the right. I am afraid I do not know how to fix that, or even where the coding for the background patterns would lie. :( Looking at a couple of other user pages, I don't see this happening there, so I'm wondering if something on my page, in particular, is causing IE to serve up a bit more of the background than is needed. :)
 * Anyone have suggestions for a fix for that? Thanks. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 05:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, so this image shows what I mean as far as extended background image. I can't see coding that calls it out and am just not sure how I can amend this. :-/ -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 07:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the clear after that user box messing it up. - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 08:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly, Bex! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 07:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

15 000
O yes were getting closer --> Special:Statistics ~ SCobra  10:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * cough* Guildwiki has 18,000 <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  10:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * yet GuildWiki only has 16,403 pages in the main namespace that aren't redirects if you use 21059 pages and  4656 redirects in main namespace. --67.159.44.138 11:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you count that? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  12:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really not a competition. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 12:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah! Humbug <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  12:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. The official wiki needs to be more informative.-  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 15:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The wiki has hit 15,000 :) congrats! 68.151.27.108 23:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

15K
Hi Gaile. I remeber you being interested in us hitting 5000 and 10000 articles. Just wanted to let you know that the new designaweapon articles just puched us over 15000. Backsword 11:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I've been haunting the count for a few weeks now. Can anyone tell me precisely how to tell which new page was 15,000? Thank you. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 08:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well we are 15,008 right now, so counting back to 15k I get it to be Obsidian Blade which was correctly move to Obsidian Edge later originally begun by The Great Tomato -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 11:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Lemming. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh My
I am starting to think that you may have to archive the GW2 Suggestions page soon. My browser will not even allow me on it :P. --Shadowphoenix 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I sure will do that. Sorry, I've been super busy on other things! :( -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 20:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * np, we all understand :o) --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 20:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion Pages Question
Are those pages officially solicited pages (requested by ArenaNet) or just 'yours' (as a individual)? House Of Furyan 08:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Mike O'Brien, co-founder of ArenaNet, approved the creation of the pages as a gathering place for the many fine ideas that players have, and as a potential resource for the design team. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 18:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

International Cultural References
Hi Gaile, first off I want to say I luv this project; in fact I luv it so much I was thinking that it should be a official project. Of course you make the final descion but I was wondering if I could put my User:Shadowphoenix/Official Project Template on the page so we can see what other wiki members think about the idea. :o) --Shadowphoenix 03:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to make everything an official "project" - the idea should belong in Gaile's own userspace so she and the relevant team can get the information from it. It's not for the wiki, it's more for Gaile and Guild Wars. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 14:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate the kind offer, SP, but let's just keep this casual, ok? :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 21:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions list
at the top of the gw1 and gw2 Suggestion pages could there be a post which lists all the previous suggestions. so people can read though and see what has already been discussed and what has not? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.172.43.101 (talk).
 * While that's a good idea, I think that such a list would be very long. I do archive into monthly pages, so it's possible to review the Table of Contents on each of the monthly archive pages to see what has been suggested. I notice that some suggestions cover multiple categories, of course, and some do not have very informative subject lines. We have been trying to figure out if there is a way to divide into categories, as described here. If you'd like to continue that discussion here, that's perfectly fine. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A category archive would probably be more productive than a monthly archive in this situation. People are not going to go through 6 months worth of archieve to check to see if something has been talked about or not. Groups could be things like Game Mechanics, Skills, PvP, PvE, Movement, Story, Guilds, Communication, Items, Structure, Player Characters, etc... If its something that covers more than one situation, either split it where it can be split, or maybe just add a link in the other areas, and keep it in the most fitting place.  I would also suggest changing the bad subject lines to something thats easier to relate to as well.-- riceball   [[Image:User Riceball Sig.JPG]] 20:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of this. Thanks for your input, Riceball. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 20:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * i think that sounds like a sound solution. i wouldn't have any objection if we started this and just left the other 5 months in the old format until some one got around to sorting them.75.165.107.92 19:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Question about the sugestion page
I Know this has probably been asked before, but just out of curiosity is it you Gaile that reads the GW2 suggestions, and Do you know on average how often they are read? Farwind 02:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If Gaile posts on the page, then obviously she reads them. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  01:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Gaile rarely posts on the suggestion pages themselves. She has stated in the past that the devs read through the suggestions whenever they get the time. People have suggested requiring the devs to leave some kind of feed back, but Gaile has rightly pointed out that they don't need distractions from their real work using up their time. The devs might get some useful ideas and a gauge of community opinion from the pages, but they are not obligated in any way to respond, use the suggestions or even read them. I'm sure Gaile occasionally has a look through the pages, but (correct me if I'm wrong!) she probably does not have the time to read and give opinions on every suggestion. Ashes Of Doom 02:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I do read all suggestions, although it's true that I do not often post to the pages. I sort of like to see the discussions grow as they will, without posting. I know that several of the devs also read the suggestions, as well. We're very grateful for the ideas, and we appreciate the creative and helpful ideas that players share with us. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Skill sounds
I'd like your (or any other A-Net employee who is capable) opinion on this. I was wondering if you or anyone could help us on this, maybe? -- People of Antioch talk  18:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're going to try to give a hand, so I'll go ahead and archive this. Thanks. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 00:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Real Money Trading Policy Page?
Hi, there. I believe that it may be helpful to have a page on the ArenaNet RMT Policy. There is certainly discussion here that could be placed on a related talk page, and I believe that a page about a significant policy is a worthy addition to the GWW. But what do you guys think? (And boy, if there is one, I'm gonna be embarrassed! ;p ) -- Gaile 21:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is one yet- a quick search didn't yield any such page. It would be a good idea to have such a page, I think, but it would probably be best if only the ANet people active here were to update it, much like the Dev Updates and similar pages. Put the policy on the page, perhaps with an additional note or two, and move all relevant discussions to the talk page. A link at the top of this page, and voilá! That should be quite an adequate solution. :) -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 22:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Real-Money Trading Policy - info copied verbatim from the main site for now. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Lemming. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)