User:Auron/TRC

The obvious reason for not having them in PvP is the fact they currently overrule any PvP coloured clothing and/or cape. Its semi-important in PvP that each team is an easily recognisable colour and the biggest part of this is the cape. Most costumes completely remove the cape. I could/would make it difficult to tell in main view who was on which team.- TheRave (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why not force the costumes to change color when they enter in to battle just like the npcs do ^>^ TitusFFX 23:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just think of Heros that you use in PvP events such as Heroes Ascent, GvG, the no longer existing Hero Battles. They all wore costumes but they had a glow places on them to tell apart whose side they were on  TitusFFX 23:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Suppose everyone on the other team is wearing the same costume. How are you supposed to tell them apart? I like having some idea of how an opponent is going to act before they actually do it. If everyone looks the same, how am I supposed to respond when someone comes near me with an axe? --Irgendwer 23:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You must not be use to the method I'm refering are you?
 * I'm talking about giving your entire body a glow matching your side instead of just the color of the armor.
 * In PvP npcs are normally giving a red or blue glow depending on which side your on.
 * That alone lets you see them from across the field since it's much more visable than just a small cape.
 * Example of Glow effect on a minion >.> it's not me just a picture I found so it be easier. TitusFFX 03:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * April Fools' Day 2008 is an example of the reasons this suggestion sucks. PvP during that day was unplayable because nobody knew what was going on. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 
 * Yes actually at that one but however it's nothing at all what you just stated it's the same thing that is already implemented.
 * ^>^ will make no difference at all but you will be giving a Aura surrounding you just like every boss in the entire game and you can perfectly tell them apart before you event get near them hardly.
 * Even with a cape you can't even tell who is who half of the time so giving costumes an aura instead of a cape will make it much more visablity.
 * Then again who said they couldn't patch the costumes to show the capes alone with them.
 * You have to think at least two moves ahead since they are wanting ideas for them to make them some cash off of us.
 * Either way it goes there is always a solution if you look for one instead of turning it down just because you don't own a costume. TitusFFX 04:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm turning your idea down because it's terrible. How do you tell the difference between a warrior and an elementalist? One has a ton of armor, the other is wearing a hand towel. If all character look similar, it makes it very hard to tell which is which. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 04:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Easily.. Just like the other few thousand do... Read there names... it'll show their class if you look at them.
 * Just make use of the Alt and Ctrl keys like the others do and there never will be an issue.
 * Besides the world doesn't revolve around just you. TitusFFX 14:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is an example: A dude in a costume is throwing spears at you. Is he a paragon, warrior, or monk? Another example: 3 girls dressed up like princesses are standing at different places throughout the map. Which one will pleak you when you are about to spike one of their monks?  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  15:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither since you used the above method of detection instead of relying on what you see. Just like the wise man once said, Focus not on what your eyes see but what your heart believes and nothing can stop you from achieving your goals.  TitusFFX 15:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Neither since you used the above method of detection instead of relying on what you see."


 * You do not see professions when you press ctrl or alt, only names.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  15:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct that is why you click on their names; however If you read my comment on the main page I recommended that adding a prefix of the profession to the names for the mechanics would help solve this issue very easily and would make telling people apart very much easier. TitusFFX 22:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Too much work for something that doesn't matter and would only unfocus PVP. I'd rather have Anet try to balance one skill or multiple in the time it would take to implement the prefix idea (and the prefix thing would probably cause a mistake as well and need even more work done to be fixed correctly, along with removing the reason that armor/professions are aesthetically different). 24.118.99.65 Don't forget to sign your comments. Thanks.
 * Well speaking easy the motivation for them is making 7-10 dollars a person for a costume set which 4000 people would give them about 40,000 which is enough to buy 2 cars.
 * So yeah that is plenty enough reason to make them want to add a little change like that if that is what it takes to encourage people into buying items from the game shop. TitusFFX 23:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're assuming that a large number of people are declining to buy the costumes specifically because they can't be worn in PvP. You're also assuming that PvPers would welcome a fairly drastic change in the way PvP is played in return for an aesthetic upgrade. Can you back up either of these suppositions with proof? Furthermore, consider that people wearing costumes would have a tactical advantage over those not wearing them, making costumes mandatory in high-end PvP. Everyone would look identical for maximum anonymity, utterly defeating the purpose of allowing costumes in the first place. --Irgendwer 23:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm not just asuming, I've actually took the time to do public surveys from those have been playing from the time of the first few released till now. 80% of the people that don't own a costume or refuse to buy anymore from them all do not like the idea of not being able to use them anywhere they wish to.  Since this issue was publicly addressed during the inital release it has drawn a very large number of people away from them.  That is why I along with many other people are working to get this passed within the next few monthes. TitusFFX 00:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

is this a joke suggestion? - Auron 00:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Definately not, I along with many others have all been working steadly for solutions to solve any problems players have in the game no matter what the issue is. TitusFFX 00:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * May I see your survey data? --Irgendwer 00:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You might wanna think about this one. Firstly, it doesn't solve any problems. Secondly, it creates more problems than it would solve (even if it were solving problems). You vastly underestimate the damaging effect costumes would have on high-end PvP - if you haven't done GvG or tombs on any serious level, you don't understand how fast-paced the combat is. Not being able to tell the difference between classes would lead to the wrong targets being spiked, wrong targets being linebacked, wrong targets being camped with interrupts or diversion, and basically way too much unnecessary confusion all to no real benefit. There's not a single good thing to be had adding costumes to PvP, and plenty of bad.
 * People above have pointed this out, but you blow them off and back up your idea with faulty logic like "you never could tell the difference of people since the game allows any class to create a hybrid profession and run something completely different than their ment to". In real PvP, that doesn't happen. You have a secondary class that has one or two beneficial skills (usually for defense or utility) and the majority of the bar is still the primary profession. Nobody brings a necro/elementalist with a bar full of nukes, and if they do, they're absolute trash and will lose the game anyway. In high-level play, you can tell what people are going to do based on their class and their player number - monk 6 is generally prot (RC), 7 is woh with infuse, and 8 is the flag runner. If they're all wearing costumes, you suddenly don't know if they're a monk anymore. That isn't a gameplay improvement, it's a significant downgrade.
 * I have yet to see a single benefit to allowing costumes in PvP. Neither your suggestion page or any of your subsequent posts have provided one. On top of there being no benefit, you also are trying to ignore all of the considerable downsides to this suggestion. If you really think you're going to improve the game with this change, you need a serious reality check. - Auron 00:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just google Costumes In PvP I'm not the only one that has been saying this...And another thing players are leaving left and right for issues that was not solved similar to things like these.   Also a warning was posted before about bad language. It's not tolerated by anyone. TitusFFX 00:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then again if you read the insert packaging material that comes with your game you will notice it's a game of skill not a game that says you must play your profession.  Just ask the countless Elementalist running as a monk, I have yet to see anyone complaining about those.   TitusFFX 01:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok here we go found you a nice issue over 90% of all pvpers have issues with and reason Virtual Dragons disbaned in June 2007. Why don't they disable local chat while in combat in pvp to prevent bad language of people talking to the opposing forces?  Why, because of people that don't believe things can be done to prevent verbal abuse and other issues that cause people to leave or have a bad experience.  This problem still won't be fixed in towns or other things but at least it would help prevent "some" of the problem.
 * Problems will always be around no matter how hard you try ,but they can over come if people try to make solutions for the problems instead of saying this is a bad idea I think we should ignore the problem and find something else to work on instead that nothing is even wrong with.  TitusFFX 01:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So a bunch of people are stupid. Who cares? If a million people want something yet none of them can give me a reason, who the hell is going to listen?
 * Do you PvP? Honestly. Nobody complains about elementalists running as monks because they're absolute trash. No good guilds run them. The closest thing to an elementalist monk would have been the eprod flag runners with heal party 5 years ago, or possibly the sor flaggers 3 years ago. Neither of them had a bar full of monk skills, only one or two utility/defense skills and the rest of their skills belonged to their primary profession. E/Mo pure monks are trash unless you can abuse shit like Ether Renewal (which only works in PvE).
 * Red herring alert. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Stay on topic. Give me a single good reason why costumes should be allowed in PvP - and "because a bunch of pvers want it" is not a good reason. - Auron 01:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ^>^ fine... to make it harder for you to win in GvG. Void aka Olli TitusFFX 01:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what the other team is for. Stupidly designed mechanics shouldn't be standing in the way as well. - Auron 01:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well games new change every once in a while; Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse like shadow form, obsidian armor, and other things like defy pain.
 * I'm actually glad a few of things like that died but, apprently hasn't stopped Elementalist from using shadow form in Fort Aspenwood on Luxon side from jumping in with it and standing right next to the npcs and wack them down to kingdom come. TitusFFX 01:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Visual cues are extremely goddamn important in Guild Wars PvP, just as they are in any competitive environment. Even by giving players a class aura like bosses, allowing them to wear costumes which make it harder to tell at a glance what they are and what they are doing is a shit-tier idea. If people are refusing to buy costumes because they can't use them in PvP, then they are probably shitters who don't belong anywhere beyond RA anyway, so it's not a worthwhile concern. I'm sorry, but trying to seriously argue that costumes should be allowed in PvP is just ridiculous. Costumes are kind of dumb to begin with, and we don't really need them fucking up PvP in any way, shape, or form at any level. The only thing that should get in the way of victory is people playing like retards. No costumes, thanks. -Faer 01:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Googled "Costumes in PvP" - 1 (one!!!!) website result on the first page. The link is to a guru thread where most people are saying it would be a bad thing.  So there's two or three people that want costumes in PvP.  From the evidence here and on that thread there seem to be far more against costumes in PvP.  Purely on the Number of People FOR vs Number of People AGAINST, this seems like a bad idea.  (PS thanks for pointing to the "evidence").- TheRave [[Image:User_TheRave_sig.png|talk]] (talk) 02:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * very well I'll just have an admin to it for me since they are the ones that told me to create it anyway. TitusFFX 03:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Visual cues are extremely goddamn important in Guild Wars PvP, just as they are in any competitive environment. Even by giving players a class aura like bosses, allowing them to wear costumes which make it harder to tell at a glance what they are and what they are doing is a shit-tier idea. If people are refusing to buy costumes because they can't use them in PvP, then they are probably shitters who don't belong anywhere beyond RA anyway, so it's not a worthwhile concern. I'm sorry, but trying to seriously argue that costumes should be allowed in PvP is just ridiculous. Costumes are kind of dumb to begin with, and we don't really need them fucking up PvP in any way, shape, or form at any level. The only thing that should get in the way of victory is people playing like retards. No costumes, thanks. -Faer 01:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Googled "Costumes in PvP" - 1 (one!!!!) website result on the first page. The link is to a guru thread where most people are saying it would be a bad thing.  So there's two or three people that want costumes in PvP.  From the evidence here and on that thread there seem to be far more against costumes in PvP.  Purely on the Number of People FOR vs Number of People AGAINST, this seems like a bad idea.  (PS thanks for pointing to the "evidence").- TheRave [[Image:User_TheRave_sig.png|talk]] (talk) 02:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * very well I'll just have an admin to it for me since they are the ones that told me to create it anyway. TitusFFX 03:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * very well I'll just have an admin to it for me since they are the ones that told me to create it anyway. TitusFFX 03:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


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 * And it really has nothing to do with talk pages. This is a page for discussion of your suggestion. That's what has been going on, not vandalism, nor have I seen any breaches of NPA. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  04:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly this page and also the general topic has leaked over inside the game and not just this page due to a few know my ingame names and have multiple so I can't block them all. TitusFFX 05:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Im bookmarking this page for later so i can lulz at it. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 06:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

So I googled "costumes in pvp." I got two threads from guru. Both of which have gotten almost unanimously negative responses from guru members. So basically, your "public survey" was nothing more than visiting two threads and only reading the first post. ~Shard  06:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)