Talk:Game updates/20090423

Wow
First. --''' Gah Eat my uber regen. ''' 00:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Second.  Drago  00:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

third

Yay ANet!!! Arty 00:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ...WOW. That's... huge. -- Gah [[Image:User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg|19px]] Eat my uber regen.  01:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU ANET! I LOVE YOU! for now... -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 01:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * On the other hand.. Why did you vandalize my characters? They're all black now. <_< -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 01:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My toons weren't black but they looked...different. They had different facial expressions and hairstyles o_o Healing Paradox 01:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, if you load the character, they're all back to normal. ^^ Elysea 02:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All of my characters got Michael Jackson'd --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 02:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

GAYYYYYY.--142.204.86.103 01:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hot damn! WT is happy. :D --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] Wandering Traveler  01:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

........not one free makeover credit or name change? Not one? Man....Anet must really need money. 75.61.32.166
 * Dances Poidrac 01:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No skill balance? That was the main thing I was looking forward to...--96.225.150.180 01:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It was known that there would be no skill balance this month for a little while now. --Goteki-45 04:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Overall I'm happy about this update, the pet manag' is gorgeous! ... I am a little swayed that there hasn't been an actual existant skill update in awhile, but oh well! (Way overpriced btw, you'd save more by buying a character slot :p) Nikdanbro 05:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am happy about the update for one, Thanks Anet for doing quite a bit in the last few months -- Natalie Black [[Image:User_NatalieBlack_sig.jpg| ]] 12:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Best. Update. Ever. Chaos Beserker 15:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * lol no, the pet menagerie is o.k., the rest sucks hard Infested Hydralisk  15:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * lol no. Pet menagerie is good, extra storage space is even better (OK you have to pay for tabs but you get the equipment packs), HoM is better now, Zaishen quests sound cool and the Traveller is a nice feature too though not as big a deal as the others. Personally, I'm not that fussed about the ascetic character changes (and again they cost realy money) but still, it's not a bad thing. Not to mention they fixed two text bugs :-) 86.26.204.160 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * traveller is the best thing they gave this update Infested Hydralisk  16:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well he's cool, but you have to find him and being in a different place and wanting different things each day, chances are I for one won't be seeing him all that often. Still, he's a very nice addition. 86.26.204.160 09:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm 50/50 with this update. Lot of nice stuff, but for my use it's not worth getting. 000.00.00.00 19:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Love the update. I see a lot of angry people about this update being angry for things they dont have to buy. I hope for more updates like this between now and GW2 Koiboysg1 16:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Wanged
Many of the links that go out to the Guild Wars official site are getting wanged (busy traffic resulting in bad connection). The NCsoft site is also slow, and so it the wiki from time to time. Weird. -- Antioch 01:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The patch was heavy (~12MB with -image), plus lots of people downloading it is probably eating all the bandwith of Anet. I guess it will be a few hours until things go back to normal.--Fighterdoken 01:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't get the free promotion because the NCsoft store is completely overloaded, if i dont get my free pane of storage I'll be really pissed... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.249.137.77 (talk).
 * Did you even read the page about the free storage promotion? It's available until May 31.  Once I saw that I gave up trying to get into the NCSoft store tonight.  24.144.20.144 02:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it'll let up pretty soon. You have plenty of time ^_^Healing Paradox
 * Been about a day now, still bogged down. --RoyHarmon 19:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Damn
I need to give them monies for changing my characters faces and names. Damn.--  anguard  01:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also not able to put my coins in my storage. Glitches already?-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  02:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No one can. Some people on guru think it's intentional (but what do they know?). 75.61.32.166
 * I was able to just now, although I only put 1 coin in just to test Healing Paradox 02:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I still cannot, even with 1 silver.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  02:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * have you tried re-logging or exiting your client and trying again Healing Paradox 02:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * -_- I just realized what you were talking about. The Zaishen Coins. I thought you were speaking of the gold coins. Stoopid me. Healing Paradox 02:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're talking about it in the Great Temple right now. They acknowledge that it's a bug and they're going to try to fix it. Dunno when they'll make progress, though. --RoyHarmon 19:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Anets real intentions? Encouraging people to get titles? :D
I laughed soooo hard when I saw the bounty for today, "Kill Kanaxi in the Deep.". They're obviously try to encourage, or really force people anxious to get zaishen coins, to use the deep. I wonder if sins will take it over like how they've recently taken over all other pve... THANK YOU ANET, I LOVE THE DEEP :D. Make the next one "Kill urgoz!" :D.

As for "Nicholas the Traveler", I'm guessing anet is trying to encourage people to become cartographers, and as for the rest of the update, maybe financial backing for GW2? I liked the updates in general, especially the animal farm, but some people can't hold 50k-80k etc faction... Maybe anet could update it so the NPCs will take periodic faction 'payments'? Power WM 02:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have this concern as well. They are forcing you to have a certain level of the pvp titles to get these pets. Pretty weak...--96.225.150.180 02:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they're trying to encourage people just to keep playing 'till they get GW2 out, hence having varied things which change each day, so you don't get bored (people who title grind have lots to do, but most people get bored with that pretty quickly). As for the real money updates, it's no surprise really given that there are no monthly fees; in order to keep the game going at all, it needs to be expanding constantly (like China's economy) or it will collapse. That, or they have to find other things to sell to people (next it will be advertising space!). Personally, I don't have a problem with that, it is a business after all. One thing they might be doing though is subtly trying to encourage more people who haven't to get all the campaigns, because right now those people won't be able to access all of the Zaishen quests (kill a Tyrian boss, go play Alliance Battles et.c.). 86.26.204.160 17:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

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GUILDWARS IS GETTING SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS--142.204.86.103 02:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow this guy is awsome, remove the Gettign Comment, remove capitals, and remove yourself from life [[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png|Talk]]Wild 02:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars: now Nickel and Dime Wars
And I thought the $10 storage pane was a ripoff. But then they had to go and add $15 name changes, $10 5-use head changes and $10 gender changes. All this stuff should be like $1-2 for the gameplay value you're getting in return(not much...). Greedy fools. -- Hawk Skeer  (Talk) 02:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Their pretty bad business model doesn't leave them much choice. Expect to pay for pretty much every piece of new "content" in GW1. - Auron 02:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Easy way for ArenaNet to make money from game addicts and pixel-obsessed megalomaniacs. Skill Balancer 03:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear even Runescape does gender changes without charging real money. -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png|Assassin Symbol]] (Talk) 03:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not WoW though. ;)  Benjammn311 03:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, Runescape fucking sucks. At least Anet doesn't try to run the ingame economy.  Benjammn311 03:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Add an "i." 99.151.149.75 03:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Runescape sucks but if they had a combat system like Build Wars only less broken and with less fail We would ALL quit Build Wars. JaGex has been improving slowly believe it or not. Oh, and it looks like Anet is now managed by Gpotato or Aeria.72.71.226.85 04:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Benjammn; you're kidding right? About the not ruining the economy part? Because I'm pretty sure they haven't fixed shadow form in nearly a year now. Them standing by and doing nothing is a very obvious sign that they don't give a damn about what little economy this game had left. - Auron 13:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron: you may have misinterpreted "run." --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 13:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * misread entirely, yes, lolol - Auron 13:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol. Diamonds are trading for what, 110 gold now? From the trader? 86.26.204.160 17:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me...
Or do zcoins require a ridiculous amount of work to get a pay-off out of? I just did 2 of the quests and pretty much all I can buy is a Scroll of Adventurer's Insight. Bleh. 75.61.32.166
 * I'm pretty sure they didn't want you to get good stuff right off the bat, and make you work for it like other kinds of stuff. Working towards something instead of having it handed to you gives you a great feeling of satisfaction. I guess it just depends on how much work you actually have to put forth.
 * ^ This. I't'll take me a bit but I'm workin' for the golds.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  04:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I plan on getting equipment bags for all my main characters if possible. Only 97,500 copper coins to get :P --Goteki-45 04:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because ridiculous amounts of grinding is what makes Guild Wars good. Right right? 68.51.95.206 04:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet nibblits and buttery nipples!! I'm already mostly there in getting the 20 slot weapon bags on my toons, I only need 112,430 more copper coins. I'll be done in 1,606 days.  I'm so stoked, I peed myself a little bit.  --Drakora 17:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair, if you could just go on and get 10k's worth of stuff, people would get so rich with just a little grinding, you would still have to grind to get as much as everyone else, only you'd have to do it this way as everthing else would give so little by comparison. 86.26.204.160 17:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

OMG
Nicholas the Traveler's gifts sometimes give a Merchantile Summoning Stone which somes a merchant ally! and also a cottontail tonic and Mysterious tonic ^^ Spirit 3ater 03:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OMG a Merchantile Summoning? YES!!! MystiLefemEle 11:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Blame User:Vili. Backsword 13:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The merchantile summoning one is actually kind of nice that could come in handy. --Drakora 17:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted...
That Professor Yakkington is also the collector that gives out head armour for your characters. As well as the small Equipment Packs in Pre-Searing Poidrac 05:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Challenge Quest
Those should really be account wide quests. I took the GvG one and dived into it with my guild, they requested me to change character to fit a build and i forgot to take the quest on the other character. We won and i didn't get the reward. Ok i did take it again and played on some more matches and got the reward anyway. But isn't there any way for the PVP (or maybe all of the quests) to become account-wide instead of on a character base? 194.132.19.77 06:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a brilliant idea. That way you'll have grind 7 times longer. 99.151.149.75 06:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be done. I bet you can just make the quest, recreate your character and make it again.

Awsome update, ANet!
I very much like this update! The makeover options ROCK! I also like the new quests. But the GvG quest is kinda hard if ur in a guild who dont pvp..
 * ...then join a guild that does? Or get your mates to gvg?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 08:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, awesome update, I want really suspecting so many changes and I'm having wonderfull time on 4th birthday. --Vital Spark 21:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou!
Huge thanks to everyone who worked on this update. There's so much stuff!

Nicholas Sandford was a great addition to presearing last update, it's given me a reason to play my permapre and I'm finally making progress on LDoA as well as sweet tooth, and now he's travelling round post-searing too - WOOT!

Extra storage and finally the chance to get rid of Smarty's armour-clipping ponytail have made me a very happy bunny; although I might decide in the end that I'm too cheap to pay for either, at least now I have the option. The heavy backpack (if and when I get enough zaishen coins to afford one) is going to be soooo useful for his wardrobe, as it currently fills all his inventory and half my storage. Also very pleased that I no longer have to endlessly remake characters if I decide their name appearance or gender is teh suck after six months like I usually do.

I've never bothered levelling a pet because of the problems with getting the right evolution and not having a character who would make good use of it, so the Zaishen Menagerie is perfect for me. Not being able to choose which titles are displayed in the HoM has been a niggle of mine for ages so I'm glad that's been added too. All in all I can't think of a single thing in this update that I'm not sitting here grinning inanely about.

I hope you include all these features in GW2 where appropriate (although hopefully most of them will not require RL money in GW2 as they should be coded in from the outset rather than taking time and therefore money to reprogram further down the line).

Now all somebody needs to do is tweak my account so that I get an everlasting swarm of bees tonic from Nicholas and I'll love you forever... :D Smarty 10:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Makeover
http://www.guildwars.com/products/extras/default.php

No boob enlargement. Discuss.

PS. Why can we infinitely make new characters for free, which is a much resource heavy process, and not simply change how a character looks for free.  SniperFox  10:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you get an Extreme makeover, I assume there's some breast augmentation involved from Male->Female. Also, why you can make new chars for free should be obvious. The reason the name change and makeover stuff requires payment is because it's a desireable and non-essential game element. Thus, they're providing the same sort of service many Free-to-Play games do. Besides, if players could change their appearance all the time, it would probably put a noticeable amount of pressure on the servers. Mr J 11:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because they like money. No lie. 68.51.95.206 12:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Getting taller enlarges everything. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 12:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Pressure on servers... classic fanboy argument. Hey guess what, your appearance, size and gender are just single lines in some config file on one of the servers. Changing it causes REAL pressure. /sarcasm -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png|Assassin Symbol]] (Talk) 13:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sarcastic comments that show a lack of understanding. Classic shitter behavior. Hey guess what, thousands of people changing lines in config files would cause a increase in input/output processes and would take more resources from a server. Understanding how I/O works on servers doesnt make me a fanboy. Now go be butthurt about your ugly toons somewhere else. Mr J 15:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Millions of people changing lines in a config file would have minimal effect because it's not a resource intensive task. It would take less than one millisecond per change. Not to mention there are multiple servers doing the work. Servers with huge amounts of RAM, hard drive space and CPU power, so much that the most powerful gaming desktop PC is a puny 386 system from the 80s in comparison. Buying stuff from merchants and crafters is more intensive, because new data is being created. In your model GW would completely collapse under the strain of the millions of purchases happening at once every single day. Why doesn't it? Because you don't know what the heck you are talking about. -- Hawk Skeer [[Image:User_Hawk_Skeer_Assassin.png|Assassin Symbol]] (Talk) 18:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're forgetting that it then has to read from that file and ping it to everyone in the outpost every time a change occurs and that the servers aren't only handling that process. Also, I said there would be a noticeable amount of additional work on the servers if a large amount of people were changing their appearances all the time. I never said anything about servers collapsing or having trouble coping. Mr J 10:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Of the entire update, this was the best surprise of all of them... being able to change 5 of my toons for $10 instead of starting them over becuase I didn't like the look of them is so much better. And being able to mix and match skin tones, hair and faces from the other campaigns is the best of all! Like on my Warrior has a Nightfall face with Factions Hair. My Necro has a Nightfall Face, and Prophacies Hair and Skin Tone... so much nicer and better looking now. My only beef with this is that lack of choice for the "add-on professions", the Derv, Para, Sin and Rit. Yes I know the faces/hair is per Campaign, but it woul dhave been nice to slide in some faces from other professions... like some mesmer ones for para and ranger ones for derv. That part of not being able to update my Ritualist was kinda fail... but overall, nice add on! - SabreWolf 16:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I love the makeoverpack. peviously i have deleted chars that had played out all the campains en had elite armor en maxed titles only because i dont liked them anymore. Its expensive but fun for the people like me. Koiboysg1 16:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Sucking people for every last penny you can get
ANet, what happened to being fucking reasonable? I mean, come on. 10 bux for a storage tab? What is this shit? Character makeovers that cost 2 or 10 bux a change? Come on, you've got to be shitting me. If GW2's going down this road, then you're ruining your game before you've even released it. Seriously, you're killing GWs.
 * Yup. Giving you the option to pay real money instead of re-rolling that PvE you've spent years on or for content you don't even need is really shitty. How could they do this to you?! HOW COULD THEY BE SO CRUEL AS TO GIVE YOU OTHER OPTIONS?! OH, THE HUMANITY! Mr J 12:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sup? Don't buy it. I'm not going to, but other people will and they will effectively subsidise your gaming experience because they care about things you don't, so smile about it. Misery  12:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is, he does care about it and he want everything in life to be free. 80.56.161.128 14:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is sooooo unfair with people who doesnt have money.--142.204.86.103 14:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well said, Misery, well said indeed. Let's all vote for communism and have all things for free, as the world works on magic pixie dust and candy--SkyHiRider 15:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Having a cost for these are okay, they're just WAY too high. If they (stylist) were a buck a piece, I'd have bought one for each character already -- and probably repeat it later.  At $10 each, I'll never, ever, get any.  --136.142.214.19 15:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Having a cost for them is actually not ok. Back in the days when ANet seemed to care about players and about providing a good gaming experience - you know, before they decided to turn their game into a major ripoff to make up for their failed business model und get enough money for a sequel (which is obviously going to be even more of a ripoff) and then blow up the servers the first day the sequel goes live - it was stated that you will have to pay for new content (new campaigns etc.) but they won't charge you anything for new features. Character makeover obviously is a feature, not content, so all their promises were nothing but blatant lies. If the live team's real purpose is to kill GW1 asap, congratulations guys, you're doing an excellent job. --Makku 17:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I very much understand what you're saying. The whole premise of GuildWars is that a one-time buy gets you a constantly-updating-with-content-and-features-MMMORPG. However, I cannot but help feel you're blowing this waaaay out of proportion...
 * 1. We are still getting new features for free. Minor and major! What part of swappable pets, account-wide titles and Hall of Monuments, monthly tonic rewards, storybooks, and even the not epic but pretty fun Traveler, did you not notice? Not to mention how much freaking effort Anet puts into their month skill rebalanaces to match current trends.
 * 2. These new store features are nonessential to gameplay. I mean most of us won't have a need to change their character look or name; we were very careful about planning that from the beginning. If this were a major thing they were trying to sell, like say selling Faction for real dollars, I might be a bit disturbed. But you feel offended by these 3 non-essential and rarely-used-by-the-average-GW-player features having per-use costs of their own? I suppose technically, if you lived with the hope that free things will be free for eternity, this would be bad. But practically, these 3 store features are so insignificant that... this premium-feature change just doesn't matter. Guild Wars is fun gameplay all on its own, optional store features or not. We survived 4 years without them, we'll suvive another 4 years with them. There is no need to fear and panic, GW has always been fun to play, otherwise we wouldn't be here talking and listening to your... I'm sorry, but dramatics of why a moneyless world is good.
 * 3. They've been selling "features" on the GuildWars store for years! Buy a new character slot, buy the ability to PvP unlock every skill in the game, buy a fire imp to kick-start a new character... why does buy an extra storage space, buy a new character name, or buy a hairstyle (which you knew at character creation was supposed to be permanent anyway) surprise you so much?
 * 4. And no offense intended, but you contradict yourself. You claim GuildWars first business model was a failure, not enough to keep making games; now you praise this same "free features for life" model, claim it's the only way ANet showed it cared about players, and start complaining that they're deviating from it... the financial failure that'd never let them make a sequel. Do you think it would've been smarter for them to stick with it or not?
 * 5. You're right, the GW player base will not stop expanding and it's constantly costing money for ANet to maintain it. TANSTAFFL is true. GuildWars is not a simple product, it is a service. Before long, they'd probably've grown too big to stay a free service. The perfect free convenient world is a failure. 2. As such, instead of collapsing or becoming a monthly subscription, they tax a handful of convenient but rarely used features, which sounds like a decent enough comprise. Wouldn't you agree?
 * The way I see it, this doesn't change things at all for me. If anything, it opens new horizons. I never even dreamed of a day when I could change my character name, a lot of MMOs don't. I can accept the compromise that a good MMORPG needs more money, and will get it in exchange for a few rarely-used but major character-and-storage changing abilities.
 * And if for some reason you players feel you *have* to change your aesthetics and hair and tatoos (like someone's forcing you), then go mow a couple neighbor's lawns over the weekend. Should be more than enough to change most things. It cost money to buy this game in the first place, and it costs even less money to change your normally-permanent name/aesthetics/storage features. If you don't want to spend money at the GW store, then easy... just don't, you can still keep playing and enjoying GuildWars fine like for the past 4 years. Nothing's broken or majorly changed; as with everything, half the things we worry about don't even really matter.

ShadowfaxSTF 20:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC) A simple rename costs as much as a whole campaign, that is probaly his point if you didn't get that. Asking 10$ to 15$ for something that costs them next to nothing is just a joke, especially when it's a customer service thing and not actual content.  SniperFox  16:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

i would pay up to 5 dollars for a extreme make-over, and up to 2 dollars for a name change. sounds more reasonable too Infested Hydralisk  17:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have baby ravens in my menagerie, best update ever imo. Misery  17:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah imo they are pretty overpriced (name change especially), but like Misery said if other ppl will pay for it then fine. 86.26.204.160 09:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Manegerie
Seems to be bugged on counting exotic pets.



For exotic pets in here there are black moa, rainbow phoenix, phoenix, jingle bear etc.. The Emunator 13:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Exotic is only moss spider and black widow. Obie Quiet 14:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then what is the bug, since i thought unlock pack unlocks all regular pets, tyrian, cantha and such, except for the exotic ones. The Emunator 15:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Check the bottom of the Gameplay Article. 66.190.15.232 22:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Quests
It kinda sucks that I just did a bounty quest yesterday and I can't get another one today :/ -- Guiding Light  13:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I did the mission and was hoping there'd be a new one today. But I wasn't terribly surprised, it's waiting for all the people who weren't playing yesterday.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  13:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They call that timezones ?? The Emunator 16:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it 12pm PST like most things, or is it 'local' midnight?BorisDePig 17:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can do the quests as many times as you have characters. Yes, it is the same quest over and over, but you get extra zcoins. Granted, you can't put them in storage right now, but that'll be fixed Real Soon Now&trade;. 76.30.79.54 04:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday the Zaishen Quests changed at 1600 UTC so I guess thats the time they will be changing. -- Silent Storm   11:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The changeover time seems to be changing. 82.26.28.102 18:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Oo, almost forgot!
Seems a bit irrelevant since a lot of people are pining over the new content. But the boardwalk -is- indeed there so, see comic.--  anguard  14:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm what time of day they change over?
 * Not sure. Seemed midday for me.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  17:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

sucksss
this update sucks, go do the deep for zcoins, srsly wtf. takes too long. more storage costs money wtf! was happy to see change the appearance part but also that req money. wtffffffff Infested Hydralisk  14:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So wait for the ones you're -able- to do. I will be.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  14:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oh missed that part <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  14:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hurray for 4th year that Leechers exist
Hurray for 4th year that Leechers exist!!! And they have yet to do something about it! Hurray! Haven't they realized yet that Leeching Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry is infinite money hacks? 20 FREE Zkeys per day!! At 4k each, that's 80k free! By doing nothing and letting your computer on(and bot), and inconveniencing people who are trying to play the competitive missions!! 10days of botting = free obsidian armor! :)

Rant: 2/3 of my guild(approximately 66 people) have voted that they will not buy GW2(boycott it) because ANet REALLY does NOTHING about illegal 3rd party programs. Oh you wait till GW2 is out! Watch the amount of botters around, and cry as ANet does nothing about it. No? You think world pvp cannot have bots? This game is gonna be completely ruled by bots!

Example of bot: World pvp? I bot hunt it for infinite money hacks(and it's gonna exist, don't worry). When you attempt to kill me, my character automatically logs off. Then relogs in 5 mins later, and keeps the botting going :) AND ANet will not do anything about it, will they? GMs DON'T EXIST!! FREE TO PLAY!! Have they done something about infinite money hacks in GW? No. Will they do something about infinite money hacks in GW2? Guess the answer?(NO!!)

All it takes(by ANet): Ban about 10 of the botters. Then people will get scared to bot, because then they lose real money, they lose their $30 they spent on buying the Factions campaign. Will you risk $30+(depending how many campaigns your account has) for some in-game money and risk getting banned? You ban some and making an example out of it, the rest stop the botting immediately. And it's so HARD to find leeching Botters in FA/JQ!!! They are in every match! Omg how will ANet find them?

All it takes(by players): Report Leechers. 4 reports = no rewards gained. Put it this way, if i am a botter who expects 5 zkeys in the morning after i set up my bot overnight, but when i wake up i see 0 Balthazar factions gained everyday, will i keep botting and get my electricity bill up if im gaining nothing? Keep feeding leechers(not report them), they keep coming back for more :)

But this wont be solved overnight, it's been 3-4 years that infinite money hacks exist in GW, and that will be the same for GW2. I can't wait to see the happy faces when GW2 comes out and everyone buys it happily, then find out this game is ruled by hacks and quit :)

I have a solution for you, if you really dislike it so much quit playing. I will buy GW2 for sure. Next time, please sign your rants. The Emunator 16:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * this is not a solution, as everybody has the right to play whatever he/she wants without people ruining the game. I say this for the leeching problem, i'm not talking about bots, i don't know much of this. El Gallo 16:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh god, Anet is losing 66 people. They just sold 200000 copies in 4 months.  For a 4 year old game.....get the picture?  Benjammn311 16:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh well... Hurray for mentally retarded people ^^ &mdash; <font color="#084961">DarK <font color="#010dfe">NeSS (<font color="#ff8a00">Contribs ) 19:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you haven't noticed ArenaNet/NC Soft doesn't care about it's player base. I know it's hard to see especially the way they type their communications, but we're all humans living on Planet $.  Maybe at some point they cared but there is no reason to anymore; even the players who are dissatisfied have clearly put in their dues and may still even be buying whatever they put out.  The money is comin' in no matter who/how many gets upset.  No reason to put forth the mental worry when you're winning what you came to play the game for in the first place.  They didn't make Guildwars to make friends.  alice&amp;sven
 * /report the leechers and they wont get any faction. Problem solved. Quit Whining.[[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png|Talk page]] Drogo Boffin 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Unbelievable
This is the worst update to come to GW I've ever seen. Even with all the known content and suprise content it just doesn't heal the despair and anger that I'm feeling at the moment. They're not going to make enough money from storage panes? (an easy $40 dollars from most of their user base, almost as good as releasing another campaign, for the 'server-costs' of only storage panes.) $10 to change your HAIR or SKIN COLOR five times? $10 dollars to change gender ONCE?? (here comes the kicker for me, since i can, amazingly, at least understand the reasons for everything so far) $15, FIFTEEN dollars to change ONE characters name, ONCE?? This I refuse to reason with. That's 15 dollars to change something that's not even content, not even graphics or user models, just a text string in a file somewhere. And to actually change content costs only 10. Let's put this into a more shocking perspective (shocking for me at least). Let's say I have four characters i made 3 years ago when my mind was a pretty different place. My interests changed and now I find the names corny, and I think there hair looks stupid, and I want them to be female/male for a change. Right off the bat just to change the hair: $10. But you can't change hair and gender with the same "makeover coins": $40 now. Do I even need to add the amount for the character names? $90. $90 dollars to fix up four characters (less than half of what most people have I would think). What if all 10 of your characters (10 for every profession) were stupidly named and looked dumb and you're a returning player wanting a fresh change? $230 (that's a bit of an exaggerated scenario, but still). 240-270 to free up some inventory space (either now or when the game fills back up with extra content) so you're not swamped with valuables (please don't judge people by saying "you're just a pack rat" or "merchant your crap", you don't know what is what to other people).

4 years have gone by and all anyone has had to pay for were the Campaigns, Characters and Unlock Packs (which are very reasonable; you get enough character slots for each profession from buying the Super editions or whatever, and immediately unlocking all sorts of assets that would otherwise take a lot of work; alot more value than you're F'ing name).

I'm looking forward to seeing more "suprises" roll around, especially now that the conditioning has started to get us ready for GW2. Do NOT be surprised, do NOT be fooled; NC Soft sits on a gold mine (don't forget the other games they're pulling huge profits from, two or more of them are even subscription). And anyone sitting on a gold mine wants nothing more than to make it bigger. It has nothing to do with giving helpful options to the players, or meeting needs or acknowledging wants. Those are moral interpretations, bait on the hook, and everyone is hooked. The story is all about greed. Maybe not the little guy sitting at the computer programming Nicholas the Traveler, but the corporations and the littler, lesser men who are filthy from their climb to the top of the mine, but sadly higher. There's the sad truth, bad unfortunately the words on everyone's mouth is just "Deal with it." And you know what? I will, everyone will, what else are you supposed to do? That doesn't make the situation right, though. alice&amp;sven
 * Please sign your poorly reasoned rants with 4 tildes so everyone knows who to laugh at. Guess what? Here's the great thing: NOBODY IS MAKING YOU BUY THESE. You didn't have the option before, and now you complain that you have it but don't want to pay? Grow up, please. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want it enough to buy it, then it was a good investment on Anet's part, no? But if you buy it, it's nobody's fault but yours if you don't think it was worth it. -- <font color="Black">Gah [[Image:User Gah My Name Cant Fi Echomending.jpg|19px]] Eat my uber regen.  21:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what this echo mending noob said. Just pretend it never came out, and will never exist. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 21:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I already posted a rant to the "Sucking every penny" topic up above, see that for a full answer... but like everyone says, why are you so bothered? $15 to change your hair and skin... we didn't even have the power to do this before, so why do you say this is even worse?
 * And if you feel you *have* to change your aesthetics and hair and tatoos (like someone's forcing you), then go mow a couple neighbor's lawns over the weekend. Should be more than enough to change most things. It cost money to buy this game in the first place, and it costs even less money to change your normally-permanent name/aesthetics/storage features. If you don't want to spend money at the GW store, then easy... just don't, you can still keep playing and enjoying GuildWars fine like for the past 4 years. Nothing's broken or majorly changed; as with everything, half the things we worry about don't even really matter.

ShadowfaxSTF 21:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically what I said lol. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 21:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, yeah, that's true. I just find it annoying when people throw a tantrum like an infant, for no significant reason. "I don't like stores, because I don't like spending money" - haha, neither do we! But who cares, nobody's making you go to the store. Gosh. >.< Quite frankly, I'm amazed they bothered to gather the money to buy the game in the first place.
 * Somedays I feel sorry for ANet... they build and maintain a game with 500 cool features, and people tantrum because 3 optional never-before-used ones are put in the store.

ShadowfaxSTF 22:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hes just saying that this new option is actually pretty costy :/ <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That, or what I just said. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 22:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i would pay for it, but this is just too much <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  22:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, speaking of poor reasoning, you're just in time. The topic was "Justification of Price" not "copy/paste: OPTIONS, etc, etc" or insulting age over the net.  I actually do in fact revel in having these options available, I've been praying for the ability to change gender/names.  The question is "Is it actually worth the price?"  And don't say "If you want it, yes."  Duh.  Everyone wants everything.  The funny thing is though people have baught all 4 campaigns, collector's editions, character slots (many of those just to lighten storage-shortage), etc.  And now our latest "options" are to pay more to change your characters name than the character costs itself, and to pay 10-40 dollars to watch the money spent on your mule characters slide down the drain.  And before you get to your well thought-out arguments and insults, next time maybe show why you think that was a "poorly reasoned rant" so I know why I'm wasting my time.  And I prefer 3 tildes not 4 :D  alice&amp;sven
 * Ahahaha-- okay I'll admit, that was a good reply. Indeed, it seems I had no idea which topic I was talking about... it's not that you mind paying (which makes up a lot of the complaints on this page), it's a question of are these actually worth so much money.
 * Though it doesn't break gameplay or anything, the new store features are definitely not veteran friendly. It is a matter of perspective though. For me, who's only played a year and only focused on a couple characters, I'm not bothered... $10 to change a character name or aesthetic, it's a one-time investment that I probably wouldn't do again for years; not great, but defintely acceptable. But for players who've collected chars in all the classes... whoa nelly. >.< That costs more than a campaign. Okay, I won't complain at your complaining. Sorry. :P


 * Basically, it is bizarrely expensive when you realize so many players want to buy in volume.

ShadowfaxSTF 22:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have an idea (for the OP): Sell all your armor and weapons or put them in storage, then delete all your chars. That way you get a FREE gender, appearance, AND name change! This update was made what it is for two reasons: 1) ANet wants to coax existing GW players into spending as much money as they can before GW2 comes out. 2) To benefit hard-core guild wars players who, in addition to spending money on multiple accounts/character slots, would be willing to spend the $5-$15 dollars on visual add-ons. People bitch and whine because they think ANet OWES them something. They don't. They have no reason to come up with new content, do holiday events, or even have PvP tournaments. They've already got your money, whether or not you are an active player. I think it's GREAT that they have this update for existing characters, though I think it would only be fair to make this available to new characters as well. What I mean is if I create a Tyrian male monk, I should have access to all the hairstyles/colors from the other campaigns. <font color="#FF0000">--SetandSpike 21:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

WORST UPDATE EVER RAAAAAAAAAAR
...or you can pretty much ignore it and laugh as idiots waste their money and time on crap that is inevitably useless 75.187.206.97 23:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Like we need more of these topics, thanks.-- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  23:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * people are only complaning because they have to pay for new stuff [[Image:User Wild rituals signature.png|Talk]]<font color="#4E8975">Wild 23:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'll read further, you'll see that there are other things people are complaining about. I don't mind the micropayment since WoW charges 15 for a character redesign.  However, I do think the storage panes are priced funny, seeing I can buy a new account for 10 bucks on Amazon, which gives me roughly 1000% more storage than a storage pane for the same cost.  I find that unfortunate, because of this, I will not find myself taking advantage of this product.


 * Now what really ticks me off is the terrible grind associated with the storage bags, since the whole reason I play GW in the first place is because there is very little grind to it and I like that; perfectly valid way to appreciate a game. I'm sure some people that like grinding won't mind, but that person isn't me.  All the other content I like, the quests, the traveler...  I like the menagerie, the thing is it'll take me some time to fully appreciate it because it doesn't provide much without a lot of time investment.


 * In the end, my reaction is somewhat mixed in regards to the update, because I am content starved, but I can't use most of this content because of: improper pricing for the content offered (I don't mind buying good content, but I didn't feel it was worth it in this case) or grinding associated with some of the promised content. However, I can immediately enjoy the Z-quests and the traveler.  So overall, I'm not sure how exactly I feel about the update. 68.51.95.206 00:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Grinding or not this is a good update. You DO NOT have to buy the upgrades. I would like to see another expansion like GWEN before GW2, but since the developers for GW are limited we should just be happy for new contet.[[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png|Talk page]] Drogo Boffin 00:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, not everyone is going to be happy with this content. I believe Andrew Patrick has stated somewhere or another that they can't please everyone at once.  No, I don't have to buy the upgrades, I'm not, and that's a shame, because it's merely a matter of cost vs. performance.  I was trying to imply that there were good things in this update, things I liked.  But I think there were bad or badly implemented things as well. To each their own. 68.51.95.206 00:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I myself am not buying the upgrades.[[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png|Talk page]] Drogo Boffin 00:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I myself will not buy any either, but I'm not going to complain about them giving me the option to. And to those people who say "well I'd like these and it's OK to charge but they're way to overpriced", well, I agree with you, but "everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it". If they find nobody's buying, well, then these things are obviously overpriced. But if other people will pay for them, well then that's fine. 86.26.204.160 13:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if they can get suckers to pay for overpriced stuff, more content we will receive.--ShadowFog 02:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I think everyone misunderstood. I was being sarcastic. 75.187.206.97 00:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not so much you but people like 68.51.95.206 above who aren't being sarcastic. :-) 82.2.57.121 19:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

dear users
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW -- <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 03:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations developers!
You've beaten my already gloomy expectations -- by achieving new depths unimaginable before. I can only wonder what's next - "premium game server access" for a tenner a month ? Because that's the only thing that's needed to do to complete the turn to the Dark Side. This game has turned into everything it set out not to be when it launched. Clan Yumemiru 07:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh be quiet. 86.26.204.160 13:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No stop before they actually do it. 68.193.113.198
 * I am just wondering when Anet/NC Soft is going to start being gold sellers. As I see it they are breaking there own EULA cause they are selling ingame stuff for real money, and anyone that buys this stuff should be banned.  So the next thing I expect to see is 100k for $10.00 on NC Soft.Sarge 17:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

To The GuildWars Community
Most of you are fucking stupid. Everyone is complaining about how Arena Net is overcharging for their new upgrades, but what people are missing out on is that Arena Net provides GuildWars WITHOUT A MONTHLY FEE. Do you know how intensive that must be on their pockets? They have to pay employees for working and developing this game for your stupid ass, as well as the hosting costs.

To conclude, the GuildWars community is full of greedy assholes, who do not know how to look at the big picture.

-Zeecron


 * <3 <3 --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 08:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To rephrase: we should be glad we are given an opportunity to empty our wallets for useless status symbols (and no serious new game content) that offer no gameplay value and keep grinding titles until enough people have been shaken down to fund the next iteration of what once was a great game. For the same effort they could have kept developing game content that they could have charged for, were it not for their overabundance in ambition (how often has Grind Wars 2 been delayed now and how far? I think I see veils of vapor surrounding it ...) and the overly premature "final completion" title brace (another design boondoggle that effectively blocks content development at the behest of mindless grind). To reverse your conclusion, the Guild Wars community is/was desperate for a refresh of the game, but instead they've been given another way to slog throug the same old tiring, boring content and they're (rightfully) complaining about it. Clan Yumemiru 09:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To rephrase: we should be glad that other people will empty their wallets for useless status symbols to keep ANet going so that we can get new content free of charge. 86.26.204.160 09:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe Guild Wars 2 has been delayed at all. Industry standards for development of a game of the size and complexity we can expect from GW2 is way beyond the 2+ years it's been since it's been announced. Why everyone thought it was going to go from being this massive idea to a full fledged playable game in a short time is what is truly surprising in the attitudes of those of you who claim to understand the gaming industry so vociferously. This update does provide new and interesting things. It is designed to be a sustaining system for the game, those of you who feel everything should come immediately for FREE are just ridiculously deluded. Yes, you get free stuff, after you work to earn it. If you want it immediately, you can buy it. Why do any of you who are so vocal about the supposed failure of Guild Wars still play it? Sentimental attachment to what was? I highly doubt it. More likely, you can't afford the monthly subscription fees required to play anything else. If you are among those who claim to not play it anymore, why do you persist in regaling us with your judgment and opinion? Get over yourselves. There are hundreds of thousands of people who still play Guild Wars because they ENJOY the game, and the community. I personally am one of them. I am pleased with this update as it gives me some new goals to work on in the coming months. There is nothing in the paid items that are vital for game play, simply don't buy them. If you truly hate the name and appearance YOU gave your character, delete it an make another. If your inventory is overflowing, visit the Merchant in any outpost or guild hall. There is nothing and no one forcing you to PAY for anything. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. To play a game like this with no fees but ongoing updates AND extra content is pretty good tbh. They have to make their money somehow. The prices they're charging for these things are, imo, much too high, but if they think that they're priced rightly to make the maximum (as anyone with any business sense will know, you have to balance the profit against how many you think you're going to sell at that price) then fine. I'd rather they made money off other people which then gave me free content than charged me for something or sold advertising space which then impinged on my play experience, so give them a break, it's like whatever they do it's wrong. 86.26.204.160 13:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * @ Clan Yumemiru - You are exactly the kind of people I hate. How do you think Arena Net makes their money? Tell me? No one runs around donating to them, their only source of income is the GuildWars Store, all the stuff in their is unnecessary to buy, but it is still their for those who are interested in things like extra-storage panes, unlock packs for PvP, etc. Consider yourself lucky to play such an amazing game, with PvP that is Skill based and not gear based, for free, as well as receive content updates every once and a while. -Zeecron 99.190.105.14
 * Hi, do you actually know how intensive it is on their pockets? It must be pretty tight, money wise.  I mean, they just hit 6 million copies sold with 4 campaigns out and a slew of online shop items that have been baught en masse.  And their a branch of NC Soft, with a load of other games (some of them subscription). 68.193.113.198
 * THIS. 75.187.206.97 03:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * @ Zeecron: of course I am someone easy to hate - I'm willing to speak up critically about game (mis)features instead of just enthusiastically welcoming our new cash-for-features overlords and opening my wallet wide in starry-eyed admiration. If their money machine has dried up to the point that they need to debase themselves with pessimal (because that's what this is at its best) updates like this instead of developing real new content for their game - which they might just as easily have done; this looks like they just tried the easy way out instead - then perhaps they should have thought twice about their planned development schedule and planned for a contingency - but I fear that this update (with its Saturday Night Special nature) IS the contingency. I have considered myself lucky to have played Guild Wars very much; its clearly split PvE/PvP, it's focus on thinking through problems rather than chucking more resources or higher-level goodies at a problem, its lack of grind, its accessibility, its reasonably griefing-proof play system and its lack of game tax have given me an appreciation of online games I didn't have before. Unfortunately, most of these qualities that I so liked in Guild Wars have gone or been obsoleted in favor of a relentless rat race towards a goal that I don't even care for in the slightest. There's my problem - you can hate me for all you want and feel better for it if it makes you feel good, but like you I do still like the underlying qualities and possibilities 'this game had and has to offer - and I loathe seeing them being squandered like this. Clan Yumemiru 21:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

If you're going to express your opinion here, make sure you're not foaming at the mouth. IE, try to do so in a rational, civilized manner and remember that another person's opinion is just as valid as your own. 68.51.95.206 21:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also if you made your comments a little bit more concise, people are more likely to read them in depth rather than get through the first line and think "OK, that's a rant, move on". To reply to what you actually said, there's nothing wrong with criticising but instead of simply churning out speals of text, you could just say "Hell, that's a lot of money for a name change" (which it is). Further more, very few of use are "enthusiastically welcoming our new cash-for-features overlords and opening our wallets wide in starry-eyed admiration" - if you read the rest of this page most people have been saying that the prices are too high, and I for one certainly won't be buying any of the new things. However, many of us also appreciate that ANet adding extra features for a price which weren't even availible before doesn't squander any of the underlying qualities and possibilities of the game.
 * P.S. "ANet is part of NCSoft so they have loads of cash" is a null argument; a company doesn't make money in one section to prop up another - any part which is losing money is usually cut, so ANet need to provide for themselves in the long run. Otherwise you end up like Woolworth's. :-) 82.26.28.102 18:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I thank this update
Why? Because

On my derv I got 7 max titles exited to see what's new about the HoM I enter and I find A FREAKIN RAINBOW PHOENIX, really there is not much special about the pet, altho, I only GOT 7 MAX TITLES ( while yu need minimum of 10), HURAA for bugs --Derv Who Likes To 09:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * gz?

New items
I'd just like to say wow about all the new items added too, since these seem to have been overlooked (as they're not in the notes). Stuff like the Everlasting Crate of Fireworks, the Mercantile Summoning Stone and the Vampiric Dragon Sword, and so on. 86.26.204.160 15:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 16:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They were most likely meant as a surprise, and trust me, surprise!  Drago  16:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised they're not $14.99 in the store, too. --Emkyooess 22:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol. To be fair, though, there's a lot of very good new stuff in this update which they haven't charged for. 82.26.28.102 17:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Like the months it'll take for even the 10 slot equipment pack? Yippee!!! --Emkyooess 19:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. And while it might take us all a while to get them, it's slightly better that than everyone can suddenly get things left, right and centre and there's a sudden influx of stuff into the economy (though the packs at least could have been made a little cheaper). That said, there's already a risk that this update will damage the economy a bit - for example all of this encouraging casual players to PvP (which IMO is a good thing) will mean more people have Faction so more ZKeys, which combined with the fact you can now get them for coins will cause their price to drop even more. IMO they need to add stuff like equipment packs and some of the new weapons and other items (read Everlasting Crate of Fireworks) to the Zaishen Chest so as to make them more availible while keeping the cost of ZKeys reasonable. But anyway, I digress. 82.26.28.102 18:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Paypal
I don't quite get why so many people are complaining like they are, maybe I'm not a hardcore enough GW player to feel like all this new content has ruined my experience, but what I am mostly concerned about is the purchase system. I remember when I tried to get an additional character slot through in-game, Paypal wasn't a payment option, which makes me sad since it's the only system I trust to use for transactions online. Did NCSoft or the In-Game Store ever get support for it? 156.34.47.61 16:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * According to GW in-game store, NCsoft Store now supports PayPal --Шзвч [TALK] @ 16:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats good, I'll have to check their main page 156.34.47.61 16:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Im so happy that we finaly can buy char. slots and all the others stuff on the site with paypal here in europe. Woe Hoe!!! Yeah!!!(<-- is a happy me) Koiboysg1 16:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Gotta have access to the original email for the account?
To get the free xunlai? My friend gave me his account, hes got horrible connection and he doesn't like Guild wars, so he gave it to me. Problem is I don't have access to his email. Any way i could still get the free xunlai slot? 24.233.254.51 05:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You only need to have access to your PlayNC account, which is not the same as the Guild Wars account. poke | talk 13:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You WOULD, however, need access to his PlayNC (now NCSoft) account if he ever bought anything Guild Wars-y online. 99.144.228.152 23:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

No Longer Booted From Guild Halls
I'm noticing that I'm no longer getting randomly moved from the GH to a town sometimes when I log into a character, as per their Post-searing-items-in-pre-searing bugfix. Albrect Karew 23:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, like rest of you! Albrect Karew 23:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice update
The menagerie is awesome, the traveler, the zaishen quests, thanks for adding new ways to replay the game or reasons to do so. And those that are crying about paid services, there is no monthly fee and there will never be, you are paying directly for content and they already said their storage was on the limit, thanks Anet for the free storage tab. 189.122.0.45 22:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

You win Anet
I give up on trying to get this free storage tab. I HATE how we have to go through NCsoft, make an account there and all that crap just to get it. I don't understand why we couldnt use the GW store to obtain this gift. Its all too frustrating when you make an account at the NCsoft site only to have it say your GAME account is already in use or some other mumbo jumbo. So you win Anet! Looks like I, along with quite a few others I know, will be paying for an extra storage tab, which I will be buying from the In-Game Store. :P --66.253.138.98 00:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ANet doesn't win. And really, what hardship is it really? It doesn't take all of less than an hour to get everything setup, even if you do have problems. And if you have really bad problems, Support is usually prompt in providing a response when they are not incredibly busy(like now), and for another matter, you have nearly a month to get this. There is still plenty of time to get the free slot. So please, do us all a favor, and stop whining.  Drago  00:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Whining? No. If I were whining I would have said "OMG WTF??? Paying for a free tab! SCREW THAT and SCREW Anet! /ragequit'. Now, what I'm doing is voicing my complaint about the setup of getting our free storage. I, along with many others, have had mulitiple problems with trying to obtain this free storage slot since day ONE. But unlike most others, I dont mind shelling out the money to get another storage slot (hell I've spent over 300 bucks on guild wars purchases, whats another 10?), though a free one would've been nice. And about your whole contacting support? Well I've for one have done that multiple times and they have still yet to resolve my issue. How they are helping others, I dont know. So I guess my main complaint would be, why do we have to go through a third party site and go through all this confusion, when the In-Game store is right there. --66.253.138.98 02:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)