User talk:BeXoR/Old archive

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First
haha first entry :) (Branek Hellbringer) Scourge 23:04, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Festival hats
Uploaded Pics mkay, i think its all done - Pakuna 08:35, 8 February 2007 (PST)
 * I've taken images of all the festival hats I have: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Scourge/Sandbox -- Scourge  15:53, 8 February 2007 (PST)
 * I've just added the boxes now and forgot about your pics lol -- Scourge  16:13, 8 February 2007 (PST)

copyvio templates
Now, I recall why I did copy the pages: The sites were created by GFDL contributors, meaning that the layout would be ok to copy. The rest is only factual information which doesn't matter wether you copied it from the game or gwg. Would you remove the templates from the quest entries? I agree you were still right on the other pages. ~ D.L. 00:03, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * The formatting/layout of the pages however still falls under copyright. That is the issue with the quests.  --Rainith 00:04, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * EDIT CONFLICT! :o - It's not up to me. An admin will review them eventually. As for the factual information, walkthroughs contain a lot of opinion and retain the style of the author. The only "factual" information would be the data copied right out of the quest log. After an admin decides what to do with it you should have clearer guidelines on what can and can't be copied. At the moment everything is uncertain. One thing I do know is, that the entire article may be deleted and you may have to begin again, because I read somewhere that they don't want the copyrighted material in the page history. Best to contact an admin with any questions. :) - - BeXoR 00:07, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * A quick look (because it is after midnight and I have to get up in 5 hours) and it doesn't look like any of the walkthroughs were copied over, so that isn't an issue. If any are (and if they weren't this time, I'm sure they will be at some point, by someone) then that would most definitely be an issue.  --Rainith 00:10, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * I myself wasn't sure about whether s&f was copyright, that's why I tagged them. I didn't actually check the walkthroughs myself. - - BeXoR 00:12, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * If a plain table (like the ones used in the title articles) can be a violation, then I'm 99% sure S&F type stuff can be too. --Rainith 00:13, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * S&f isn't an issue because I (or other GFDL approving users) created those pages. The formatting of those literal transcriptions are simply derivations of those from the original author(s). I don't see an issue. ~ D.L. 02:36, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * The format used in the article was not designed by you, or probably any one person. You used the format to create the page, filling in areas with information. The information as gotten from the game, isn't copyright, but the way it is presented or written may be. - - BeXoR 04:06, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * I'm not here to argue with you about my formatting capabilities. As for the articles in question, I claim to have invented the formatting and hence all other adoptions are to be considered trivial until proven otherwise. ~ D.L. 04:22, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * Can you prove that you created the style that was implemented here before March 23? - BeXoR 04:25, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * No and I don't need to. First, I'm the accused, so I don't have to prove anything. Second: LordBiro's contribs are GFLD licensed, too. ~ D.L.  04:28, 9 February 2007 (PST)
 * I was responding to your statement: "I claim to have invented the formatting". If the edits to that style and formatting are deemed to be trivial, then it wont be an issue. - - BeXoR 04:31, 9 February 2007 (PST)

User pages
BeXoR, thank you for explaining your reasons on the talk page issue, as I now know why you don't want edits to main pages very often. I can easily see why watching of a user's main page could be frustrating, when all you want to know about is a response from that person in their talk page. EMonk 02:33, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * No probs, I'm glad I was clear. - BeXoR 02:40, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Info image
Hey BeXoR, I preferred the original upload if the info image. Was there any reason behind uploading the other version? LordBiro 06:53, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * I liked it better, plus the license is more permitting and it's good to be a little different. - BeXoR 07:01, 11 February 2007 (PST)
 * Well... Personally I prefer the other icon and I prefer the FDL to PD :P But ok! I just wondered. LordBiro 07:28, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Main page
I dont mind your new ordering that much, but the point why I put the "how to help" box up top is that that way all boxes which are bound to get big are concentrated on the bottom, while those that are likely to stay small are on top. --Xeeron 06:44, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * I ordered them to be sorted in a more logical manner. If they change in size it wont be drastic, but the flow of information should be a priority. - BeXoR 06:48, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Also, why did you add the Anet box back in? We are a guild wars wiki, not the arenanet home page. That box gives much to much main page space to the company. --Xeeron 07:33, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Links
Hey. Just random trick here. Link to the outside world use only one braket. Like this [Insert link here] --Aratak 08:22, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * ... and if you want to give the link a description, just use a space between the URL and the description, like this: [www.guildwiki.org Guildwiki] . :) --84-175 (talk) 08:24, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * Well you seem to use it corectly most of the time don't know what happen on Scourge's talk page.--Aratak 08:30, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * I'm well aware of that. I just use two brackets by force of habit. The same as with my signature. I always type - ~ evne though now I added the dash into it so I wouldn't have to type it. :S - BeXoR 20:56, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Your signature
I like your new sig a lot better than the old one. I might even copy it! ;) ~ D.L. 06:33, 15 February 2007 (PST)
 * Thanks! Feel free, I don't mind. :P - B e X o R  21:33, 15 February 2007 (PST)
 * I miss my old sig :( I have to make a new one soon. Yours is very nice, I may have to steal it as well lolScourge 00:09, 16 February 2007 (PST)

Prince Rurik
What things have you been doing with Prince Rurik...? o_0 LordBiro 05:36, 16 February 2007 (PST)
 * Nothing! I mean, unless you saw something. Don't tell anyone! I could get in trouble. :( Those Stone Summit came out of nowhere and... D:!!! - B e X o R  05:43, 16 February 2007 (PST)

Thanks.
Thanks for your spirited participation in hashing out the User Page policy. I know I contradicted you a bunch (it's kinda what I do to everyone in a policy discussion), but, personally, I found your posts to be the most important as far as defining what we were actually trying to limit. Thanks for making those size-comparison thingies, too! &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2007 (PST)
 * NP, I'm glad we've finally gotten somewhere that everyone could agree on! Should I move those size things over as a subpage of the policy and link to it in the article? I think it should be linked in there in case the page gets archived again. - B e X o R  22:29, 18 February 2007 (PST)

Cutting images.
Hey, just wondering, what's your trick for cutting the background out of character images quickly? I'm pretty handy with Photoshop, but it's not something I can do very fast. &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 17:39, 17 February 2007 (PST)
 * Oh, if there's a trick to that, I want to know it, too! ~ dragon legacy  05:17, 18 February 2007 (PST)
 * Sry guys, busy getting piggies and forgot to reply. I just use polygonal lasso with 0 feather and trace around the edge, cutting away sections at a time. It probably isn't the fastest way, but I'm used to the tool and my hand isn't steady enough for the lasso. I put the line in the middle of the edge pixel so it cuts out all the background, and I take my pics in the usual Isle of the Nameless spot so that the background is plain. I think Kaya does it too, but I'm not sure what tool she uses or what program, and I know there was one other person on gwiki that did it but I cant remember at all. - B e X o R  22:26, 18 February 2007 (PST)
 * Paint Shop Pro has this very handy "background eraser tool" (usage described here). Works like a charm (on uniform backgrounds with some contrast to the object of interest). I would be surprised if Photoshop didn't have a similar feature, but I'm not familiar with that program. --84-175 (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * There is a background eraser tool in Photoshop, too. It's one of the tools of the Eraser class, click and hold to select it. ~ dragon legacy  05:37, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * I can't figure out how to make it work. I really wish I had the newest Photoshop. I saw a video online and they had this selection tool that was so awesome. It was a really smart color selection thing. I wish I'd bookmarked it! - B e X o R  08:02, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Ya, pretty much all I do is use the polygonal lasso tool and cut sections at a time. It might take some time, but it's a whole lot more accurate than anything else i've done.  Also "Select-Modify-Smooth" is a must do to make the edges of your image crisp.  I dunno, maybe there's something better than that, but it seems to work fine for me. [[Image:kaya-sig.png]] kaya  09:05, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * I've never used the smooth thing. What do you mean by crisp? - B e X o R  09:34, 19 February 2007 (PST)

reset indent Maybe it's just me but whenever I cut my images out the edges always seem to be a little choppy, so I messed around with it a little and found that using the smooth selection trick it will get rid of the choppy areas making the edges a little more smooth or crisp. Your images have great edges, so it's probably just me not taking the time to make my inital cuts exact. Unless there's something else you do to make the edges smooth like that. kaya 10:01, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * No I don't do anything. :S I'm using PS7, maybe it's different between versions? - B e X o R  01:13, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Grats on images
I see you uploaded the new pics for the profession pages. I think they are the most adequate and just great, crisp and clear. Before that it was often 15k armor, obsidian armor and a bit showoff mixed in, instead of the basic armors of the class. So thank you for uploading and reworking this section, it was utterly necessary. I have a question, where did you get that pics, are they from the fankit or did you create them yourself? I could use some more of these pics for private usage. :) --Longasc 06:47, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * See section above. :) --Dirigible 07:38, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Thx Digi. Yep, I just took screenshots and cut the background out manually. If you want to try it yourself there's some tips above. And I'm glad you like them. I tried to pick the armor that new characters either start with or get very early (for core professions I couldn't get the starter armor on PVP chars, so I went with collector armor). It's not the flashiest armor, but it's what a new user should expect and if they want to see more there's the link to the armor page in the article. ^_^ - B e X o R  07:54, 19 February 2007 (PST)

The link at the top of your userpage
You can take away the little arrow thing at the end of the link by making the coding as such: [ Please start new messages at the bottom of the page or click this link to add a new section.] I have used the coding here: [ Please start new messages at the bottom of the page or click this link to add a new section.] &mdash;Ebany Salmonderiel 10:36, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Updated to use less formatting. &mdash;Ebany Salmonderiel 13:09, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Forgot to sign &mdash;Ebany Salmonderiel 13:09, 19 February 2007 (PST)
 * Thank you! I was wondering how to do that. :D - B e X o R  01:13, 20 February 2007 (PST)

NaNoWriMo
Look there, another wannabe novellist. Grats on winning! :) You're one of those nutjobs who write the whole damn thing in three days?! < 2000 words a day was stressful enough for me. I didn't participate last year, though, because I still had the experience from the year before in mind. Too much work, and the result kinda sucked. :D --84-175 (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2007 (PST)
 * Yeah it was an incredibly painful experience but after I was done it was such a great feeling! I'm going to try again this year with better time management lol. - B e X o R  03:35, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Big Wolf on Campus??
I love that show, looks like you like it too lol. I wonder what happened to it Scourge 02:44, 20 February 2007 (PST)
 * Merton was just too funny! It got cancelled because a certain channel bought it and they never run series any longer than 100 episodes or something. It should have been released on dvd. :( - B e X o R  03:39, 20 February 2007 (PST)
 * I never got to see the end of the series, did it end properly or was it just cut off? Scourge 04:46, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * I think it was kind of cut off, because I heard there were at least 4 more episodes filmed that were never aired. They did have a tribute show though that was kind of sweet. It used to be on youtube if you want to watch it. :) - B e X o R  09:58, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Picture
Hey there, I'm slowly redoing all of the Canthan New Year article and I'm just wondering if its safe to use this image of yours: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:New_Year_failure.jpg for the article. Scourge 02:10, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Yep, go ahead. - B e X o R  02:20, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * What do you think of User:Scourge/Sandbox/Canthan_New_Year_2007, I think it's a bit squished but I'm not too sure :P -- Scourge 05:06, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Looks good to me! - B e X o R  05:12, 25 February 2007 (EST)

You win the internet
nice armor page layouts :) - FireFox  12:54, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks, I'm trying my best. :P - B e X o R  12:55, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Insignia pictures
What About adding Pictures of the Insinginas to the Armor bonus Box? --Murdoc 13:04, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * The pages aren't about the insignia. They can go to Insignia to see that (well once the images are added). - B e X o R  13:05, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * oh ok..sry i didn't mention the insignia Page --Murdoc 13:35, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * NP. :) - B e X o R  13:36, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Your page size templates.
Hi! Mind if I move User:BeXoR/1024x768 and User:BeXoR/1280x1024 to Guild Wars Wiki:User pages/1024x768 and Guild Wars Wiki:User pages/1280x1024? &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 20:10, 26 February 2007 (EST)
 * Go ahead. I asked above if you wanted me to do it, but evidently I completed forgot about it. If you move/copy them the original can be deleted cause I have no use for them. - B e X o R  20:14, 26 February 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks! I moved them. (Though not without cocking something up in the process.) >.> &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 00:06, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Hehehe! OOPS! X) - B e X o R  00:13, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Del tag
Hi! I noticed you had put the delete tag on some articles. Could you please put the tag before a redirect on a redirect page. Otherwise the page acts as a redirect and deleting it is a few clicks harder. (=irritating with dozens of del tagged pages) Thanks. :) -- (gem / talk) 05:38, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Sorry, I'll make sure to be more careful in the future. Usually if its a redirect I blank it or put it on top. Must be getting sloppy. :P - B e X o R  05:49, 27 February 2007 (EST)
 * Not a big problem, but thanks for listening. :) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 05:50, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Reason for GW Wiki "ban"
I had to give this it's own section, since the response is so...odd. When we found out about the issue, we immediately sent emails out to figure out what was going on. We ended up getting the following response back "...This certain user was accessing and updating his pages for over 13 hours straight which was perceived as an attack and was blocked at the network level. ". So, your insanely awesome amounts of contributions made our network freak out and think someone was up to something sneaky :) Don't worry, though. It's been addressed, so you can keep adding content until you fall asleep (like I'm sure you must have after that long of a contributing stint). --Emily Diehl 16:51, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * LOL - I love it!!!!
 * Oh, and Emily ... wiki contributors sleep?!? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:54, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, I don't sleep much.. :P I had a sneaking suspicion it thought I was trying to DDOS the server or something from just loading pages so often. But really, geez, I think I'm going to need a warning to take a break every hour like the game has, I didn't think I was that bad. :( Thanks for getting to this so quickly! I'd be so bored without something to edit. :P - B e X o R  16:55, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * Apparently Bexor doesn't :p Here I think I'M bad waking up and checking contributions in the middle of the night. I have nothing on some people I guess. --Emily Diehl 16:57, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * Anytime, Bexor. I wondered where you went for so long! I'm glad it got resolved so quickly. --Emily Diehl 16:57, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * LOL, Bexor, I'm sorry that this happened to you, but please, take a break once and a while. ;)  --Rainith 17:03, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * So embarassing. D: - B e X o R  17:05, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * I knew something like this would happen, nice work BeXoR :P -- Scourge 19:14, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * LOL!!! That's hysterical. Vlad 19:33, 2 March 2007 (EST)

You should consider forcing yourself to take more breaks. Trust me, I know it's really hard. I've been there. :) Luckily I have Kalomeli who forced me to take some time off from the wiki. I soon realised that it indeed does survive sometimes without me. ;) -- (gem / talk) 15:07, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Armor formatting
It's really strange for me to see you convert the Dervish armor article from the format I posted to a more GuildWiki-ish style. I mean, the big thing that prompted me to post it was reading [ a comment of yours] lamenting being locked into GuildWiki armor formatting. So I offer some fresh ideas from a wiki armor documentation system that was remade completely from scratch with an eye toward improving past some of GuildWiki's format's issues. I thought that would be something you'd like. --Rezyk 17:28, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * Unfortunately, sometimes the way gwiki presented armor was just the best way of doing things. The format you produced wouldn't have worked with the other professions that have 25+ art styles. - B e X o R  17:31, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * I'd disagree with that. Any suggestions on how I could make sure that my format gets relatively equal consideration? --Rezyk 23:56, 2 March 2007 (EST)
 * I conditionally agree with Bexor on this. I just took your (Rezyk) original edit and plugged in the new file names into it.  At 1280x1024 it was over five screens long.  That may not be what you had originally intended, I assume that because you had the male and female pictures set to different sizes that the pictures you were working with before were from different sources and you were trying to make them the same size, so the different pic sizes could account for some of the page's size.  That said, if this had been a page for Warrior armor or another of the core styles, it would have been huge.
 * What I would really need to see is a mock up of the page you would design using your style and our current graphics to give my opinion on which way I think is better. Of course if you aren't spamming changes to the wiki for 13+ hours straight and looking like a DOS attack, I don't know how you ever could hope to keep up with Bexor.  ;)  --Rainith 00:56, 3 March 2007 (EST)
 * I'm not looking for any sort of picking between my format and the current one now. The current one would win hands down, IMO. It would be possible for my version to compete if we spent a lot of effort and discussion time on it, dealing with the various issues that users see with it. Basically, if we started with it as a base, and built upon and improved and developed it together without a constant focus on making it live up to the standards of another format, we could end up with a system just as good, yet radically different. Both formats already have pros and cons compared to each other; neither is strictly better or "just best" (this is what I was disagreeing with). Maybe the development of both formats could improve each other by bleeding ideas between them. Maybe they could inspire a hybrid format that beats both. Etc, etc.
 * But, is it possible to spend time and effort to do it this way? I don't think so; people generally aren't going to develop two different versions very far (I don't blame them) and will just pick the more developed one to work from. This is why I didn't even bother with adding my formats right when the wiki started. We're going to have to use GuildWiki-like style as our base, whether we want to or not, and phase away from it in smaller steps. My reason for posting my format was simply because I've seen multiple people lamenting our being locked to starting with near-GuildWiki-style, and wishing that we had other fresh possibilities to at least consider. So although I didn't really think it could get anywhere, I threw it out in case anybody else has an idea or interest about how to get it developed.
 * Anyways, I don't plan on creating a mock up to compete directly with the current format, simply because it won't be productive enough. There's no need to compare and pick between the formats as I'm not pushing mine (although I appreciate the constructive criticism, Rainith). I'm already resigned to having to work uphill and bringing up a few of my ideas for improvement as piecemeal modifications to the current format when the time is right, and was just hoping there was a better option. --Rezyk 06:10, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Question
Hi, I'm leaving this message here because I found your name on the Bestiary/NPC... formatting talk pages @ GuildWiki. We're currently trying to create a formatting guide for it here as well, but so far without sufficient response. I'd appreciate it if you could drop by and leave your comment(s). Initial discussion started here, but is continued here. Thanks in advance ;). --Erszebet 09:37, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Common professions?
Hi, noticed you added a "Common or all professions" to the profession ordering. Could you explain to me what that means? I'm not sure I get it. -- ab.er. rant  03:14, 9 March 2007 (EST)
 * On the talk page there's a note about rune trader ordering. Things which are used by all professions go before profession specific ones (all the common insignias and runes). So this would apply to weapons without a bound attribute too. It's like our problem on the creature info box - there is a difference between no profession and any profession. I wasn't sure whether to remove the x - no profession from the list. We still need an icon that better suits "Any" - that circle thing was only an idea for it. - B e X o R  03:19, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Your icons
Hey BeXoR, I was just wondering what software you use to produce your icons? LordBiro 06:20, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Good old Photoshop 7. I like working in the dark ages. - B e X o R  06:21, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Have you tried using inkscape? I think you would like it. LordBiro 06:23, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I actually was considering downloading it today, but I plan on formatting my computer soon so I figured I'd wait. I don't really do too much graphical work these days. Though I've done some digital painting recently and it was painfully slow - I hear Corel Painter is a much better program for it. - B e X o R  06:25, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
 * What icons? Where? :P So... how does this Inkscape compare with Gimp? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 20:35, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I forgot about this conversation in the midst of the image problems that occurred.
 * I don't know much about digital painting, I only have a mouse! I do enjoy painting in real life, but I don't know much about software in that regard.
 * Aberrant, the icons I'm talking about are the ones BeXoR has made scattered around the site, including at Gaile News and Template:User image.
 * Inkscape is very different from GIMP or Photoshop. GIMP, Photoshop, paint, PaintShop Pro etc. are raster graphics applications, designed for modifying bitmaps. Inkscape is a vector graphics application. Here's a video of someone producing an icon for the Tango project using Inkscape. You can see the way that you produce images in Inkscape is totally different from the way you would produce images in GIMP. Adobe Illustrator is also a vector graphics application, if you've heard of that :) LordBiro 05:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Oooo, thanks... I'll umm... digest it... heheh, graphics-noob alert. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 20:59, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Nav boxes
I'm sorry, I screwed up. (Should've checked that you modified all nav templates to 140px. I used 125px when I updated the tables.) -- (CoRrRan / talk) 06:37, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
 * No worries! - B e X o R  06:59, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

May I?
Hey, BeXor, As you may have discerned, I'm a real neophyte at this whole Wiki thing. (I am just pathetically grateful this one accepts carrots!) Anyway, I admire the way your tables are set up, all nicely bordered and so forth. Would it be ok to try that on my page? I'd change categories and colours, of course. (And I need to figure out how to nest tables eventually for the splendid character section I may get build in, oh, 2009. ;) ) So let me know, and naturally if you'd rather I not borrow the frame bits, that's perfectly ok! Thanks. --Gaile  00:11, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Take anything you want. I learned a lot about wiki code when I was making my user page. :) - B e X o R  01:41, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Prof Userboxes
Thanks for the fix on the userboxes. :) --  Vallen Frostweaver  11:34, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

EQN
I had to leave EQN (I didn't want to) It's a long story, when you get back from your holiday/break talk to me on MSN lol -- Scourge   08:16, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Welcome back
Welcome back to the information superhighway :P LordBiro 09:49, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank you, it's such a relief. :P - B e X o R  10:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Crafter info project
I put up the checklist for crafter info at a common space now, so the project can get started. It's found here. Put you as editor also, since you have done some work on it already. Just remove yourself if you do not want to be there :) &mdash; Anja  12:50, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Okay, I'll take a look at it once I've caught up. :) - B e X o R  13:13, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Just wanted to make a small note that the cost template is moved and working (I have spoken to the creator over at GuildWiki, so there is no problem there). I think it's very neat to use, what do you think? &mdash; Anja  14:48, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I like the current formatting we have on the template, with the depending right or left alignment. Can the template replicate that? - B e X o R  17:06, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * The template does not include any alignment in it, so we will still be able to (and have to) write out the align. I don't know if and how it could be worked into the template, and if it's even wanted, considering it then could not be used in other places. &mdash; Anja  17:35, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Profession icons
Since you're usually interested in this sort of thing I've posted a draft of the redesigned icons at Guild Wars Wiki talk:Formatting/Profession colors. LordBiro 05:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Ascalon?
Ascalon City (outpost) is in the region of Ascalon? Do we want to combine pre-Searing locations and post-Searing locations into the same region? -- ab.er. rant  06:29, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Post-searing Ascalon is called Ruins of Ascalon apparently. - B e X o R  14:01, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 19:24, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

weapon stuff
Heya - For the weapons stuff I made damagetype and bowclass to be optional parameters for the weapon infobox template. You can omit or include them as you see fit for different weapons, not quite what you asked for, but maybe simpler to implement if not to understand? Do you think that type is a useful attribute to show for this template, it is almost duplication of information with the "attributes" field. --Aspectacle 07:14, 15 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I'm pretty sure you did what I wanted, just combined the three into one template. :) As long as it works you can do it whichever way you like. ;) Also you might want to check about any autocategorisation. If it's not there it might be a good idea to include it. - B e X o R  07:16, 15 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Autocategorisation is a great idea and I'd like to figure it out (I'd prefer if someone else did it first so I can copy!) but it might be a bit much for tonight. So ... good night from me!  --Aspectacle 07:26, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually might be best to leave it til the category guidelines have been worked out. Thanks for your help and goodnight. :) - B e X o R  07:27, 15 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I've been thinking about autocategorisation in the armor art infobox, and I will be working on it in my sandbox template with the result showing here. It will lead to bad categorising as I'm working on it as my userpages will end up in categories, but less problems with the articles needing reload al the time. If you want, you can take a look there later Aspectable, to see how I solve it and work out your own way from that :) &mdash; Anja  07:41, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
 * EDIT: I hate autocategorisation.. At least when it comes to armor :P &mdash; Anja  08:03, 15 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I've attempted a quick and dirty autocategorising template for weapons, based on Anja's work. I've had to include a type parameter in order for it to work. It can be seen at hereand with the include here.  I've attempted to get it autocategorising based on salvage as well, however this causes problems as I can't get it to parse wiki input (e.g. Steel Ingots ). Hope its somewhat helpful. --Indecision 02:43, 16 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I went through and removed all the wikilinking from the stuff I wanted to autocategorise on in the mission templates - tedious but worth while if someone decides to change the name of the mission categories. ;) Another thing about the salvage is that some things have two (or more?) common salvages. I don't know if it's installed but you'd need StringFunctions to pull each common salvage type out to properly categorise it (that could also be used to deal with the wikilinks). --Aspectacle 02:54, 16 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Looks like no StringFunctions, but I've still managed to get some auto-categorisation working despite the wikilinks. I've finished up two proposed infobox replacements (for weapon infobox and item infobox), which can be found at new item infobox and new weapon infobox. These allow for a reasonable amount of autocategorisation, particularly of materials.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to handle multiple materials (only the first listed material is categorised), however I am still satisfied that the two templates represent an improvement on the originals. --Indecision 21:52, 20 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Given that the number of materials you can salvage is very small, maybe just do "commonsalvage2" and "commonsalvage3"? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 01:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Monk Obsidian armor revert
Hi, why is it pointless to avoid the redirect from Vellum towards Roll of Vellum? I think this could be little faster than with direct link. - MSorglos 03:37, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * 0.001 seconds faster? Why add text to an article when it isnt needed? - - B e X o R  04:43, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't know how this wiki works (technically) and so which version causes more server load. My personal opinion was that it could be less traffic/load, but I have no preference. - MSorglos 04:57, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, while the edit was unnecessary, the revert was unnecessary as well you know. But using the redirect makes it cleaner. As for performance, I've read somewhere that redirect pages are very efficiently done. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 05:08, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


 * There is no extra traffic when using a redirect. Redirects are encouraged, and linking to redirects is not discouraged. If someone alters a link so that it points to the article rather than the redirect it would normally be unusual for someone to revert it, but really there is no noticeable impact on the server, so I wouldn't worry too much! LordBiro 07:31, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


 * The redirects are there for a reason, there was no need for the change to be made and the smaller a page is, the better it is, even if its only 1kb difference. I reverted it because if adding in extra text became widespread it would be a nuisance. - - B e X o R  10:15, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I stand by my redirect, I thought I executed it perfectly ;) -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 19:35, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


 * You might be aware of Wikipedia's stance, but I've just been reading about the statistics of redirects. Following a link to an article takes 44 SELECT queries while following a link to a redirect takes 48 SELECT queries. SELECT queries are very inexpensive.


 * Altering a link so that it points to the correct article and not the redirect takes "8 transactions with 64 SELECTs, 10 UPDATEs, 4 INSERTs, and 2 DELETEs", the cost of which is 10,000 times that of following a redirect! . LordBiro 08:12, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Armor formatting
I was thinking, maybe it is time to write the armor formatting guide. Do you want to do that, or should I? I know you're more likely to think of all the small occasions and bring up all details that I always forget, but I could also make a start and you can just put the details in.. I don't know, it feels like a huge page to do, it's overwhelming me :P - Anja Astor  14:12, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I'll start it. :) - B e X o R  23:37, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Skill infobox
Hey BeXoR, since I know you share my interest in infoboxes I thought I should draw your attention to the latest iteration of User_talk:LordBiro/Skill box draft 5. Since User CSS is now enabled it is possible to preview the skill box as it will appear in articles. LordBiro 06:23, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Interactive Objects Infobox
Hey BeXoR, just was wondering if you'd care to share a few thoughts on whether or not to use the Item infobox for interactive objects (bundles, chests, wurm spoors, catapults, etc...) or use another infobox for them as under discussion here. Cheers. --Indecision 02:51, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

On the wagon
Have you given up caffeine? LordBiro 11:30, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Nah, I'm trying to cut down on the sugar and processed foods though. I was getting my caffiene from pepsi and I'm staying away from soft drinks. :P Now I just rely on apples and bananas to make me hyper. - B e X o R  12:11, 13 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I love Pepsi! I used to drink a lot of Pepsi Max (so much that it became a running joke with my friends and family) but then I decided that I should lead a more healthy lifestyle, so now I drink mostly green tea. And other teas. I like tea. I also used to eat a lot of mars bars, and I tried to give up chocolate, but that hasn't gone so well :P LordBiro 13:05, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I've tried limiting myself with a similar history too. I'm into Earl Grey tea now and try not to drink more than a glass of pop a day at most.  Weird how pop started giving me headaches and a glass of water fixes everything now.  Old age setting in I guess. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:10, 13 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Pepsi Max was my weakness too. But it's amazing how much better you feel overall when you stop eating processed food. I do the groceries for my boyfriend and I, so it's my responsibility to choose healthy foods. I'm doing okay so far, but I found some cookies in the pantry that I couldn't resist. :P Now days, I buy everything low fat, low sugar (when I can) and get as much as possible fresh. I used to kill for deep fried chicken, but now I'd rather a plate of boiled string beans! - B e X o R  13:31, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

X-color to x-color
May I just ask why you are changing X-color to x-color (and same with the professions)? :) - Anja Astor    (talk)  06:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I was fixing up profession ordering and adding the template code to some articles. I just prefer it lower case, because the ranger one must be lower case and then it's consistent. I also prefer to start any template with lower case unless there are other capitalized words in the title. - B e X  09:44, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Ah, I know r must be lower case, but I meant about the profession color templates. :) I find lower case to look unfinished, I think you should not start with it except in special cases. But I guess it's the rules from the Swedish classes that tells me it should be upper case :P As long as we don't go around changing eachothers articles just for the use of lower or upper case, there should be no problem using them both. As Biro said, changing an article takes loads of more work for the server than to actually perform a redirect.. So, let's not have a upper-case lower-case war ;) - Anja Astor  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]]  (talk)  09:57, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I know - the only cases where I changed them were when I was already editing the article for another reason. - B e X  09:59, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yea, I thought so, though I didn't check very closely. :) - Anja Astor  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]]  (talk)  10:02, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Goodnight to you :)
This wikicode is weird, but goodnight, and have a good day tomorrow. BigRuss 10:11, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Regular -> Standard
Why did you change Regular to Standard on the armor art pages (Canthan armor for example)? It was you who introduced the term regular in the separate armor art pages (like Assassin Canthan armor), why not be consistent? I used standard before, but you changed it to regular over there, now you're doing the opposite :P - Anja  (talk)  05:51, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I actually couldnt remember what the proper word was when I started using regular, but I knew there was something else. When I saw on the art pages that someone had put standard I was like aha! that's the word I was looking for! This is what I get for doing everything when I'm half asleep. - B e X  08:03, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, I used standard in the separate armor art pages and you changed it to regular, iirc. :P But what to use then? - Anja [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]] (talk)  08:10, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
 * If I changed it I was probably just pasting a whole paragraph and just changing the art name. Regular sounds ugly, so go with standard. I'll change any articles when I see it. - B e X  09:26, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh bleh. All the armors which have a standard counterpart use the word regular atm. I agree with you though, standard sounds better. - Anja [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]] (talk)  10:45, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Special Event Helm Proposal check
Bex, when you get a chance can you check your email for the Special Event Helm proposal, tell me what you think -- Scourge   00:29, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I just talked to my friend the item will be ready whenever you are, I checked through the other thing and It all looks good. I haven't gotten any cakes yet :'( -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 00:34, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Q
How is abaddon a demon? He is a god and is in the list of Gods.--Eloc 03:39, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Lightbringer's Gaze. God isn't a species. - B e X  03:43, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Sure, god is a species. They are just a highly advanced and powerful species. They have kids like any other species and everything.--Eloc 03:48, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * That depends on your religious beliefs. Who is to say that being a God isn't your profession? And in real life if we did decide our God or Gods were a species, it would have a scientific name, not "God".
 * In Guild Wars we determine species by other means. If all of the gods were in a room together and we used EOE, would they all take damage? At the moment there is no way to tell, so the "species" called "God" doesn't exist. We use the information we have, not jump to conclusions. - B e X  03:53, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Lol, God is more a profession I would say. Ever watched Bruce's Almighty? :D -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 00:54, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, because I base everything I know off hollywood movies... -Auron[[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 01:01, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Well here's another example then. In a lot of mythology the gods are replacements for old "evil" gods, for example, the Olympian gods replaced the Titans, and no doubt the Titans would have been worshipped as gods when they were in charge. If you had to scietifically categorise old and new gods, they would surely be different sorts of beings. I'm not up to scratch on Guild Wars lore, so I can't really draw an example from that, but I'm sure the different races, like the dwarves or even the White Mantle worship "gods" other than the 5/6 "true" gods. - B e X  01:28, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Anyone consider the thought that the term "god" or "God" meant something very different in this game? It may not be identically defined by Webster as in GW. Therefore, a god/God in GW could mean "oatmeal" for example (though I;m sure it doesn't - it's just an example). It's a fantasy game. Don't get too crazy with the whole ethics of it. --  Vallen Frostweaver  09:18, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Eh, the point is you can't be sure without testing it the way we determine the species of other creatures in the game. - B e X  10:37, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Salvage research
Hi, I noticed you adding many salvage research data. I suggest we slightly alter the table and add a column for item rarity or value to give a hint how "good" an item must be to get good salvage. Also we could add some sign for highly salvageable. - MSorglos 11:44, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I think the item rarity or value would only apply to weapons or singularly named salvage items that drop from different creatures (like Necrid Robes). In the latter case it should be easy to see which item the salvage is from, because there would be a huge difference in the amount of materials gotten (except for rares). Most salvage items drop only in a limited range of armor rating and from creatures with a limited range of levels, so it wouldn't apply there.
 * We can definitely add a "highly salvageable" column or some sort of identifier for it. For the weapons I think it would be best if the researcher noted the value only in unusual cases, for instance, salvaging a low level weapon that can be also obtained with higher damage.
 * Unfortunately I've got around 500 screenshots of salvage research and I didn't take pictures of the armor rating before I salvaged it, or whether it was highly or normally salvageable for weapons. Hopefully in the case of the salvage items it wont matter, because most of them will salvage similarly enough and can't be highly salvaged (I don't think item rarity affects the salvage results as I've salvaged gold armors before after extracting runes and not noticed anything different). In the case of weapons, if the salvage amount is unusually high compared to other peoples' data then you can assume it was highly salvageable, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to salvage it.
 * I'm going to continue as I was before, and if anyone gets data with those added values they can modify the pages like we are when adding the mode column, etc. - B e X  11:55, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Just one example: Talk:Margonite_Armor - I don't know weather salvage result is caused by salvaging purple rune (they were worthless, so I let them in). Don't know wether sell value is better for differentation, but I will continue with rarity and extra note for high salvageable. I think that high salvage will be noticeable in values, for rarity I don't know but will observe. Happy editing :) - MSorglos 12:07, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 * That is a rather large difference. From now on I'll make sure to record value, rarity and AR. Maybe also whether the rune is left in or not. I'll modify the tables with the added data when I have it, and if it looks worthwhile people can follow suit. :) - B e X  12:12, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 * This likely won't be useful, but I started a salvaging guide back in June 2005. I kept pretty detailed notes. I've dug it up from my archives and posted it at User:Tanaric/Salvage. I don't have individual pulls, like the tables you add do, but I kept notes on the ranges of goods I got from each item and what kit I was using. &mdash;Tanaric 13:55, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

It's me again. Sorry for using lvl 1 headings. I thought it could be a good idea to separate drop&salvage research from the rest of the talk. Perhaps we could use lvl 2 and 3 headings for that? Also we should adjust salvage research tables. I started to use the columns Material||Amount||Rarity||AR (if appropriate)||value||Signature but noticed you adding only one column for all properties. - MSorglos 04:59, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't think it really matters about separating them - they're already under a subheading anyway. And now that the talk bit is at the bottom, anyone who doesnt use the add section link can either edit that bit or add to the end of the page anyway. And the properties thing was me being rushed. Currently levelling my survivor and trying to note everything down as quickly as possible when we reach towns hehe. Feel free to reformat it - at the moment most of the pages are using different column headings anyway. - B e X  07:01, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Okay, then I'll remove my extra headings when I come across that pages again. I also will reformat your notes when on that page (as I do it on every page I find to make them look more equal). Good luck with your survivor, 2 of my chars died before they got that title (and I did not want to recreate them a I have done before). One (paragon) is still waiting at the starting line, but I don't have time and lust to play it. - MSorglos 07:11, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
 * It's up to you which way to format it, when the pages already have the correct column headings I've been using them. I could just never remember which order they are meant to be in. So properties was my lazy, lazy solution. :P
 * Thanks for the goodluck. I actually have several characters with survivor. It's very easy to get, especially in Cantha, but this time I'm aiming for rank 3. I just passed the halfway mark. :) - B e X  07:15, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * (Edit conflict)Do you think identifying items will change much on salvage result? I know that it makes a price go up 1 or 2, but I think that does not really influence salvage. If you think so (and let me know that) I'll change the tables to add an extra column for identify status.
 * My ritualist died after survivor 1 - somewhere around Kaineng while I thought I logged out fast enough... noticed it later when XP for Survivor did not raise. - MSorglos 07:18, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Identifying high level items can double the value in some cases. I figured if we were noting value we should specify which value it is, to avoid confusion. - B e X  07:23, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Okay, that'll go into value column as "HS" (high salvage) and "sale" (improved trade value) are already noted in that column. I did not know that there are so high price changes from identifying. - MSorglos 07:27, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Especially caster weapons. You make a lot more money from identifying whites, but usually only ones from lvl 20 (and above) creatures. - B e X  07:37, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Offtopic: Go BeXoR, Go BeXoR, :). Rank 3 Survivor is tough, but not that tough, I recommend capping as many elites as you can :) Good luck. --Indecision 08:21, 6 May 2007 (EDT)


 * ^_^ Wasn't even rank 1 on Friday. Got over 40 elites now. Thank god for this weekend I say. Expensive though. >_< - B e X  11:25, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Grey component shots
Heya Bexor! You and Anja should check out this topic and let me know what you guys think (since you two are the main armor gals around here) :) -- Emily Diehl (talk) 18:44, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Ninjas
Ninjas stole my computer and I can't get onto MSN -- Scourge   07:31, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Mc Meaties strikes again! - B e X  07:48, 9 May 2007 (EDT)


 * This seems to be an appropriate enough place for talking about your user page pic. Here is a simple way for you to be a real Ninja. Enjoy. &mdash; Gares 08:55, 9 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Ya, but real ninjas run through office buildings on fire. ;D - B e X  09:04, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

DAW Contest
I was just wondering.. Which weapon entry was yours? *prod*  ~ BlackGeneral  02:09, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I was only a finalist so it's not on the website. :P - B e X  03:00, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Aww... thats too bad. I was thinking about entering myself, but I knew I didn't stand a chance agaisnt those guys :P  ~ BlackGeneral  [[Image:Blackgeneralsig3.png|19px]] 03:10, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * If I had known they'd get so many entries and of such high calibre I think I would have spent more time on mine. :P  -  B e X  03:30, 13 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Congratulations to being a finalist :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  05:11, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Yes, well done Bex! Even to get to the finalists list is quite the achievement :) Hats off! [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:58, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank you both. :) - B e X  06:34, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I was just posting a note below and added a P.S. to congratulate you, but then I noticed this, so let me add my 'gratz for a job well done! --Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:02, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
 * TYVM Gaile. :) It is an incredible honour for me to be recognised among so many amazing artists!! - B e X  02:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Merchant location
Is it really necessary to have a location map for the merchants in outposts/towns? Maath for example. I don't think he's that hard to find. - anja    (contribs)  08:38, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I dunno, I'm just copy and pasting a pre-made template. Dirigible made maps for all the artisans, and there are maps for other NPC that are inside towns. - B e X  08:40, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh, ok. I just find it funny ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  08:50, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * What about the equipped weapon images? :/ There is no need for them to be full body shots. :( I guess everyone here wants to just go that extra mile. There's nothing specifically about adding maps in the formatting guide so I'll leave it up to whoever makes them to decide whether or not to leave it in. Meanwhile, if anything does get uploaded it'll be named right and have the correct caption! - B e X  08:52, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I see your point. And I love that it will have correct names, really. Just continue doing what you do, it's more important to have the merchant pages than to know if the map should be there or not :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  13:21, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I did those maps for the Kaineng and Seitung artisans simply for completeness' sake and because there were only two of them. I do agree that they are kinda useless and not needed, though. Even more so when considering merchant articles, the majority of whom are in outposts/towns. --Dirigible 17:29, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Okay, I'll stop adding the map unless they're outside. A note should be added to the NPC formatting about it, because I am sure I've seen other town dwelling NPC articles with maps. - B e X  00:08, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Was it you who... ?
Bex, was it you who offered to help me with my mini pics? I've been thinking about having them cut out, so that as I get a new one I don't have to redo the whole bar, but I cannot find the initial offer, and that's why I'm wondering if you were the offerer. Thanks! --Gaile 19:01, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
 * If you need any graphics help just send me the files and instructions to bexor (dot) wiki (at) gmail (dot) com. I have Photoshop CS2 so I should be able to open most files. :) - B e X  02:28, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Elonian Leather Square
Why are you changing linking from Elonian Leather Square to the redirect page instead? It doesn't reduce the "What links here" list (as you said in an edit summary) at all, just puts them nested under Elonian Leather instead. I thought it was convenient to get to the correct page at once, when we are typing out a piped link anyway, instead of going by the redirect. - anja    (contribs)  08:47, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
 * When I was doing the list of armors on the material pages, most of them use the redirect and they are all grouped together, conveniently. Some pages linked both to the redirect and the normal page, so changing the link got rid of the second occurence. And it was determined that using a redirect has next to no difference than just linking to the regular page anyway. - B e X  21:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Unless I'm mistaken, we allow redirects for convenience in searching -- they're not generally designed to be linked to in articles, especially when direct links already exist. &mdash;Tanaric 00:29, 23 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I see your point with grouping them together. What I don't see is the reason to edit a page just for that small change :P As Biro said, editing a page is far bigger than performing a redirect, or following a link I guess. Tanaric, in the armor articles in general we link to redirects a whole lot, because it makes the tables much easier to read when editing. Why I questioned this one, was because we were already using a piped link, so it was already long. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  01:02, 23 May 2007 (EDT)


 * There are dozens of pages I didn't edit, the two or three I did edit were because they linked to both the redirect AND the article, which for consistency I wanted to consolidate. It made making the list of armor much simpler as well. And as for editing being more work on the server, I doubt that my three edits would make that much difference when there are people that don't know how to use the preview button. - B e X  05:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Images for deletion
Heya Bex,

Could you explain what your delete summaries mean for the images you tagged? I'm not involved with the requisite projects and thus don't understand why they need to go. Thanks!

&mdash;Tanaric 03:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Which ones in particular? If it's the miniature ones, it's just because the renders were uploaded using the default filename which is meant to be an inventory icon. I resaved them as jpgs and uploaded them under the default render filename. Smurf had uploaded some icons under different names, but they are all moved to the correct default filename for the item infobox. - B e X  04:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good enough for me, thanks! &mdash;Tanaric 04:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Armor bonus infobox
I'm thinking we might remove that box totally. What's the purpose of it now? I think even Fow armor has changed, there is no indication that it has not changed. Might have to take a trip this weekend :P But I think we can remove the bonus box, everything seems to use Insignia now. - anja    (contribs)  13:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking we should switch over to using the item infobox, and ask for them to add a special parameter for us. - B e X  01:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, armor bonus infobox was wrong >< Armor bonus box on the art pages. It seems quite unnecessary to have a box to say "This armor uses only insignia". That can be stated in the desciption instead, which it already is in most cases. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  07:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the information should probably be moved to the infobox, because it is still helpful to know whether you can get attribute headgear in PvP, etc, and if the armor is collector armor then it would be basic only if max AR. - B e X  11:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, I think it would be better to merge it into description and infobox, because that small box looks a bit ridiculus (sp?) at the moment. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  11:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The mesmer flex...
Putting the note in the wrong date is better than not putting the note. All the people I know only noticed the change after this past update. I think it's more important to tell people with female mesmers that their emote changed than to "not" put the info in the wrong date. If you have concerte recollection of which update this was associated with, feel free to move the note to the proper game update. --Karlos 21:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Pah!
Nitpicker. :P (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 16:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's a nicer way of saying pedant and I'm totes cool with that. ;D - B e X  16:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose while we're nitpicking - you might want to take a peek at GWW:SIGN - your sig is supposed to have a link to at least one of either your userpage or your talk page in it. I'm sure that was just an oversight, but I figured a friendly reminder couldn't hurt. :) [[Image:Aiiane-a.gif]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, if you check you'll see it's a link to my talk page. :P - B e X  03:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's not showing up as a clickable link for me (even though I see the apparent code for the link in the wikitext). Doublecheck the coding? (edit: hmm, even if I link it myself - User talk:BeXoR - it doesn't show as clickable, just bold text. Very odd.) [[Image:Aiiane-a.gif]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 04:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A link to an article when you're on that article already is rendered as bold text. On any other talk page, Bex's sig will link here. &mdash;Tanaric 04:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm an idiot and realized that about an hour after I posted the above, can you tell I was tired yesterday afternoon? >.< [[Image:Aiiane-a.gif]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries, I'm usually half asleep when I do everything here anyway. ;) - B e X  01:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned Image: User BeXoR EQN Cape.jpg
The image you uploaded (Image:User BeXoR EQN Cape.jpg) has been discovered to be orphaned and has been tagged for deletion. If you had an article linking to this image, a different one might now be being used instead - if there is an article that you think it would fit on, feel free to remove the deletion notice and give it a home! Thanks, (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 23:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Bex uploaded that for me to use on my userpage, I'll ask her if she still wants it though ;) -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 01:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't need it. :) - B e X  03:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Elite Cultist?
Is it "Cultist" or "Elite Cultist"? According to the Game updates/20070524 notes, "Cultist's" was renamed to Cultist. But I noticed you moved from "Cultist's" to "Cultist" and then to "Elite Cultist". -- ab.er. rant  07:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's Elite Cultist, looking at it now - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 07:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the notes were added incorrectly by Gordon. - B e X  07:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Starter armor
I'm not too sure on starter armor. Are the starter armor still called "Initiate's", etc. or have they all been renamed to "Ascalon"? Also, can insignia be applied on starter armor? Which would make the starter armor for both Proph and Factions the same right? Maybe I should just leave the " _ _armor" articles alone since I'm not sure about the description there. -- ab.er. rant  07:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, I haven't noticed any change in starter armor names, and I can easily try if they accept insignia. Imo, it's better if you do what you do now, as you seem to assume just as I do things some haven't changed. I'm not checking every little detail ;) Things can be corrected later anyway. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  07:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: I will go and check starter armor right now. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  07:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Page Size check
Is there any way to check the page size other than saving it with the browser...? MithranArkanere 12:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know there are utilities out there that can do it, but I am not sure where to get them from. I'm fairly sure they were mentioned in the discussion of the policy page, but looking through the archive I can't spot it. As for your page, I doubt it would be over the limit, seeing as you have next to no images. I think someone said a normal user page with just text is probaby around 10-20kb though, and the normal wiki assets like the logo and background aren't counted. Anyway, now that you've changed the scroll length to the right size, your page should be fine. Thanks for that! - B e X  12:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Undead
Because formatting guidelines say this: "species: Please provide the appropriate base species of the NPCs, like Dwarf for all Dwarves. Defaults to "Not specified"." Althought I only remebered changid Ghost to Undead in ... let's se... 6 or 7 articles, all ghost take double damage from holy damage sources, unlike spirits... a ghost is mainly an uncorporeal, non-fleshy undead, like spirits of the fallen in Nolani Academi, and Smoke Phantoms, they are all not fleshy, do not leave visible corpses and both take double holy damage and are affected by the 'undead slaying' modifier. What is true is that it's impossible to tell the species of a creature that is not hostile and can't be attacked or have been attacked by enemies, in that case the 'species' could be lef 'Not speced' or 'unkown', but since all the ghosts (both ally and enemy) I've seen so far take double holy damage and are affected by the 'undead slaying' modifier and spirits do not, thought being also 'greenish' and translucent, we can only say that ghosts are undead, and guidelines ask for the base species, not the subspecies. I've started a discussion in the Ghost page to talk about it, too. It would be easier if Anet gave us some data... craven efiggies are another pain... ¬¬ In the same way djinns are elementals, Behemots are Great Beasts and and Margonites are Demons, ghosts are undead Maybe the guideline should be changed? . MithranArkanere 14:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Species are still being discussed and an acceptable proposal has been made. Take a look: Talk:Species. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 03:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Weapon Sets
Hi BeXoR - just wanted to argue a bit about having a link to Weapon Sets in the Weapon swap and Energy hiding articles. I think it's a relevant link and a non-intuitive interface element for a new player. My 2 cents. :) - Thulsey   - talk 08:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He removed the link because, at the time, there was no such article. Now that the article exists, there's no reason not to link to it =P MisterPepe talk 08:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I (she) removed the links because I'm stupid. I was thinking to myself while I was doing it "Why am I doing this? Oh well.." Sorry, I dunno what's up with me tonight. ~_~ - B e X  09:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Always remember this is a wiki, empty links are there so people know pages are wanted and they make them. A link should not be removed just because there is no page, only because it is irrelevant. MithranArkanere 21:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am well aware of that thank you. - B e X  01:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you still need this?
Image:User BeXoR armor map.jpg as it is orphaned right now and may get deleted soon. -- Lemming64 12:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See it's "what links here" section here. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 12:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yeh forgot it may be linked even though it is "unused" as in displayed. -- Lemming64 12:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I try to check the "what links here" section for images that seem like they might be used to present a point or might otherwise be part of a talk page or something. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 12:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Mediawiki fails again. ;) - B e X  12:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well here is a cunning plan :) User:Lemming64/Not Orphaned -- Lemming64 13:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about something like that earlier. We might make the page official. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 13:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well feel free to add to or move that one -- Lemming64 13:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

message
there you go -- Lemming64 01:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Headgear
We (I? :P) need some structure over the headgear. Which headgear is considered part of an armor art and which is not, which should have own pages and which should not.. I'm all confused. At the moment, I have done Ele headgear in a structure I find ok, since it really doesn't belong to any set, that's quite obvious imo. Look at Elementalist headgear and navigate from there. I think the mesmer headgear should be equally easy to sort out, just need to work on that and standardize. But then there is Monk, Paragon, Necro... I just can't figure out the best way. - anja    (contribs)  13:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I left you a message on MSN to chat there about this but it doesn't look like you've signed on since. I think it would be easiest to chat there, if you'll be on sometime during today. - B e X  04:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I use another IM program for my MSN, so I don't recieve offline messages. We have to fit it in when we both are awake :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  09:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Necromancer Ragged Scar Pattern *point at infobox, pvp section* That looks bad :( How to solve it? - anja    (contribs)  10:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is it bad? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 11:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The "Pvp" heading looks small and out of place imo. Stuffed up in a corner.. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  11:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, how about using "In PvP" then? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]]
 * Maybe, should try it and see if it makes it better. I think it's the two-row thing. Maybe a "valign=center" could work also? - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  11:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You could change it to PvP name. I don't think it's that big a problem. - B e X  12:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking for information
I wasn't expecting a comment so soon after posting. All the same I appreciate your constructivism. I reviewed the information at the page you gave me and I agree with the redundacy of the numbers. I have removed them and would like to adjust, as you mentioned, the width of the columns. I am afraid however that I can't locate the proper programming language for setting width. If you could direct to a page with this, or give me this information directly I would be very greatful. Thank you again for offering your support for this project. Scars reminder 07:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

By all means> Edit away!!! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Scars reminder.
 * It's usually better to continue the converstaion on the same talk page. Otherwise it'll look really disjointed and one-sided. A lot of us watch user talk pages for replies, so you can be sure the person you're chatting with will notice :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 08:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Builds policy
Heyho. You were one of two people mentioning that the current build policy proposal needs refining. It would be great if you could mention what exactly you want to have refined (or of course, you could directly change it in the proposal). --Xeeron 09:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I honestly can't remember what I was referring to. I'll try to take another look at it tonight! - B e X  10:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You just joined Vizier Khilbron and Turep, Maker of Orphans...
...as the three meanest people in the world. :( You voted against Xeeron! I'd like to know your thoughts on that, if you don't mind. I promise Xeeron will look away. :P --Karlos 13:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * In defense of Bexor, it has to be the list of 7 meanest people at minimum, bound to get longer ;-)
 * Oh to keep Karlos promise, I should remove this from my watch list I guess. --Xeeron 13:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) I don't mind if you see, as long as you aren't offended. :P


 * It wasn't about being mean. :P The thing that clinched it was reading his user page. My impression of Xeeron is that he has a very strong personality and has firm opinions. And while I think those qualities make for a great editor and policy maker, I'd rather see someone more balanced holding the power (though balanced isn't exactly the right word). I suppose it just boils down to whether I perceive a candidate as a decision maker based on their own opinions or someone who does things on behalf the community, and at the time I thought the former. - B e X  13:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I disagree with your assesment. Don't know if you were around and recall this, but Xeeron was basically in charge of the builds section when it first started on GWiki, and I greatly admired him (and faulted him) for goign with what the community wanted at every turn even though I personally wanted him to just take control and call the shots at some point or another because I felt it was getting out of hand in terms of keeping everyone happy. He showed great patience in listening to all and trying to make people reach consensus.
 * I won't try and persuade you to change your vote or any such thing, I was just surprised by your vote. I would've thought anyone who came from GWiki would remember the wonderful job he did in the builds section before it went belly-up. Thanks for the explanation. --Karlos 13:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't around at gwiki that long, and while I was there I kept my contact with the builds section very minimal because of the mess it was in. I definitely wasn't there as a serious contributor pre-belly up and I didn't know him there at all. For now, I won't be changing my vote, because that was my honest impression, and without anything else to go on I can't really change that. Maybe in 6 months when the next election is around I will have changed my mind. :) But for now I have to trust my instincts, whether they lead me astray or not. ;) - B e X  15:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

A bug in your user page layout
I logged in with a computer that only has IE6 on it and noticed a bug in your user page. The lower half of the last user box overlaps the table and is outside it. -- (gem / talk) 06:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny, it's even got a clear underneath it. :S - B e X  06:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, weird. Adding another clear tag makes a white space after the box which doesn't look good either. :( -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 06:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe I should just switch back to table layout instead of using the divs. They seem to work better across different browsers. - B e X  07:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Back to tables. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

FKA
We know about your anti ant crusade and seeing as you're now that you're Bex and not Bexor does this mean I can now use the phrase "sic em Bex" at opportune times? Like for example when you've just shutdown some person on Gaile's talk page? I was just wondering really. --Xasxas256 02:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, a little bored today are we? ;) What does FKA mean? - B e X  02:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Aw come on sic em Bex was a good one, would have been better if I found a good opportunity to use it but still, I thought it was good! Yeah I'm pretty bored at work atm, they're supposed to be running a fire drill this week and I'm kinda wondering if I missed the siren or something because no one is around! FKA = Formally known as, I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up. Unlike the other which is pure gold in case I hadn't mentioned that already! We've just got a kettle in our office and we've been thinking up things we can make with it. Yep these are exciting times we live in! --Xasxas256 03:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm sure there will be a better opportunity for you to use that one. :P What other one are you talking about? Usually I'm the one confusing people with my acronyms. :S Are you allowed on MSN at work? Cause you can always bug me if you're bored. I'm not doing anything at the moment either (just finished reading my night's worth of missed celebrity gossip) and on the brink of boredom too. - B e X  04:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Armor set(s)
apparently i got into an accidental edit conflict w/ u. i have been changing the wording back to armor "set" instead of "sets". i think this is more correct b/c there is only 1 set. -- VVong | BA 16:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's better to use consistent formatting throughout articles. For merchants we dont change the "Items offered" heading to "Item offered" if they only have 1 item for sale, etc. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * i guess it's a consistency vs correctness issue. i think it should go the other way, but since its just grammar... whatever. -- VVong | BA 16:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

-waves-
Anja waves to the camel. (Nice thing ^^) - anja    (contribs)  18:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Subst unsigned
Hey Bex, what's with that Subst unsigned stuff? /me waves to the camel too -- (CoRrRan / talk) 09:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Substituting uses of the unsigned template. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 10:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, ok, just read the "Usage" section of that template. I also think I now know why... (it's too early).-- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 10:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Dels
Heh, you could have just put a link to those on my talk page instead of editing a zillion pages! Or at least ask for bot rights! :P Are you trying to get banned again? :P --Xasxas256 06:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sif I know if you're here or not! And it wasn't that bad. :P I just copied and pasted and it was only 20ish. :< - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 06:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * +I don't know how to use a bot. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 06:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Replaced Images
Between yesterday and today I've gone through Category:Image_update_needed and replaced everything except the two staffs. Since you added most of the Template:image update tags, I was wondering if you wanted to re-review them, see if they're up to standards? I prefer not to just remove the tags myself in case I missed something. - Tanetris 11:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing all of that! I'll go through them all now. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 11:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They all looked great, apart from a couple that were taken from a very high angle, but still not big enough a problem to warrant a reshot. Good work. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 11:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thought you'd sneak one in after I stopped looking, eh? Well, I'm one step ahead of you! Looks like most of the other Holdings of Chokhin NPCs similarly need an update or need an image in the first place, so I'll go through those after the Dragon Festival. Also, as you noted about the high angles, I'm now using shorter characters for my screeenshots. My main, who has every area of the game, is unfortunately my tallest, but I have all of Tyria, all of Cantha, and most of Elona on shorter chars. - Tanetris 11:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Buahahaha! My main is very tall too, but usually I step back from the NPC and it makes it a little better, though the pictures end up smaller (but when they get resized as thumbnails isn't not that big a deal). I actually was going through Special:Uncategorizedimages and del tagged a few and just added the screenshot tag to that one before I gave up and went back to the festival. :P It's quite handy for finding images that need updating! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 12:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you've been busy again (in fact, Recentchanges suggests you're being busy right now).. Enjoy the Dragon Festival?
 * Did Kenohir already, lest it just get deleted in the meantime, and I think I'll have another evening of screenshotting later. As for stepping back and getting smaller pictures.. Well... We're just two different people. ;) - Tanetris 12:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I actually flooded RC for the entire day!
 * The festival was fun, I managed to get my main rank one Sweet Tooth. :)
 * I've marked a few that need updating but there are still so many more. I tagged several hundred uncategorised images, but I've only gotten up to the first lot of B's in the list so there will be plenty more to come!
 * I think I'm done for today - wiki-overload. Have fun. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 12:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

RFA
I've nominated you for a sysop position per the guidelines at GWW:RFA. Please indicate a clear acceptance or refusal of the nomination. You've consistently been a trustworthy contributor, and I believe you would be good for the position. &mdash;Tanaric 21:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tanaric, I'm thinking it over. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What's to think about? Just do it! --Xasxas256 09:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You, Scourge and Biro are just bullies you know. I'm telling! :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 09:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * TAKE HER LUNCH MONEY QUICK!!! -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 09:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And throw ants at her. LordBiro 12:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

User:FireFox also nominated you for a bcrat seat in the upcoming election, in case you didn't notice. &mdash;Tanaric 19:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I did notice, but I didn't really want to do it and was just waiting around before I threw in my decline. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 12:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Election
Are you certain about declining the bureaucrat position? I maintain that you would make a good bcrat! LordBiro 17:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was certain a week ago when I noticed the nomination! I've been saying all week "how do I decline, how do I decline?" and you and Scourge just ignored me!!! I just don't really want to do it. It sounds really dull... lol - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't ignore you, I simply gave you incorrect answers. ; ) -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You dastardly rogue! :P [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't he just! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. crat sounds boring to me too. ;) [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Barek said just how I feel here: Guild Wars Wiki talk:Adminship. Thank god for you highly eloquent people! I don't have to think about what I have to say at all, I just wait for you to. ;D - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Tagging
Isn't there about 4000 images to tag? --Xasxas256 08:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've pretty much finished the A's. ;) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um yeah...not the answer I was hoping for! :( Well I've done all the candy cane weapons! XD --Xasxas256 08:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no special "ported" tag is there? E.g. Image:Corsair Wizard.jpg --Xasxas256 08:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole issue of copyright on screenshots is a bit iffy, because in the end, all those pixels = owned by arenanet. I am not sure of the legal issues required when attributing an original uploaded or "screen capturer" - and in a lot of cases the images have "got permission" in the description, I mean wtf is that supposed to mean?! I just tag the screenshots and if someone wants to claim copyright infringement it's Anet they have to fight with, not me. ;) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ok, I'll leave the "Image by Gares Redstorm from GuildWiki" line that Aberrant had then and just add then ;) You saw the octopus vs Rain thing on his talk page yeah? No light you can shed? --Xasxas256 08:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember the same discussion that Rainith mentioned. Some people were wondering if you can be attributed for the screenshots, because you choose the angle, etc, but I think in the end it was decided you cant (though if you edit a screenshot, like with Dirigible's maps, I think you can claim some authorship over the added parts?). I can't remember where the discussion was and something tells me it was all over the place (i.e. copyright template talk pages, gww:copyrights talk, etc). We should really get some clarification from Arenanet about it. I mean there are even some people saying all in game screenshots fall under "fair use". :S - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Finished the B's! :D - B e X   09:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say the safest way to treat a screenshot in terms of copyright is like photography. The copyright for a photograph belongs to the photographer, however, because the "photographs" in this case are always taken in a non-public location (i.e. on Anet's privately-owned servers), it is up to Anet whether photographs may be taken: in this case, they do under the condition that it is their copyright on it. So yes, it's Anet-copyrighted material, but it's still proper to get the screenshotter's permission and give a credit note per GFDL.
 * Anyway, there's no shortage of film, and now that my connection's stopped sucking, I'm back on the screenshotting warpath. - Tanetris 14:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a great explanation, and I think it covers all the concerns that were raised when the topic was being discussed before. As for me, I'm done for the night! I have a lot more screenshots to upload but my killer headache is sending me to bed. Have fun. ;D - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 14:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we just ask an Anet rep? You know use the one advantage this wiki has over the other one!? :P P.S. In addition to the candy cane weapons, I've now tagged all the Corsair images. You can sleep easy now!!! --Xasxas256 14:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you feel it needs official clarification, by all means, point one of our fine Anet reps over here.
 * Feel better, Bex. - Tanetris 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Say... what if I'd go and upload several new images starting with "A" and "B" and err.. "forget" to tag them :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 16:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha ha that's a great idea. I'm off to upload ant.jpg right now! --Xasxas256 16:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They show up on the first page so I see them anyway. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 04:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

And I've hit the Ds! - B e X   05:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Just curious...
Do you dislike me personally? I seem to get that vibe from you. If I've done something to offend, it was completely unintentional. If it's just that we agree nearly completely on wiki policy, so be it. :) &mdash;Tanaric 20:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't dislike you, nor do I have anything against you personally. I just don't know you! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You know I think we should fix that. I'll send you an email once I'm done with my watchlist. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

NPA...
What did I say that violated (or came close to violating) NPA? I don't take too kindly to such accusations. --Karlos 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This may not be what Bex had in mind, but the only thing I can see remotely close to a personal attack is "What is wrong with you people?". I reread your comments twice after seeing the NPA accusation, and that's the best I can do. &mdash;Tanaric 00:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That was certainly part of it, and that you decided to make your argument about "my personal taste" which has little to do with the discussion at all. You were targeting me, and several other people specifically, in a way I feel was unfair and unfounded. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I still don't see any personal attacks. "What is wrong with you people?" is an insult or personal attack? It's an exaggerated expression that I feel many of you have lost touch with the basic principles of formulating policy and the basic rights user have on the wiki.
 * I used your taste as an example, followed by min and Aberrant's. I was not commenting on your taste specifically.
 * Finally, the only other time I mentioned your name was to list you as a proponent of the policy. Are you not a proponent of it?
 * On the flip side, you've described my entire effort as one "big angry rant about scroll length." Should I take that rewriting of my intentions (and dumbing down of my intellect) as a personal attack too?
 * In any case. I have nothing but respect for you. I am very confrontational in my debates and will get down to the issue at heart and address it. I might skip some ettiquettes, but I will not trample people's rights. I would like to take your concern seriously, but I still see no grounds for saying I was on the verge of a personal attack on you or anyone else. --Karlos 08:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * NPA specifically says to comment on the content, not the contributor, and that any comment that may disparage editors should be avoided. I may have been one of the people that contributed towards the policy, but I was far from the main proponent and it was never at any point the policy I would have liked to have seen. I think the way you singled out myself, as well as any other person (like Aberrant or Pepe) in your comments was unfair and unnecessary. I apologise if my comment was also unacceptable, but I was angry that I was being targeted when all I had tried to do was enforce a policy. And I must point out that if I am guilty of "rewriting intentions" then you most certainly are too.
 * I am staying out of the discussion until I see a policy proposal, because at the moment things are going nowhere (except to a place where everyone is frustrated or angry with each other). Everything that is being said now has already been said months ago and it is highly doubtful that you will ever find a place where every person in the discussion is happy. We tried that the first (and second, and third) time around and all we could manage was the compromise that the current policy represents.
 * I hope that you decide to take a less confrontational manner in pursuing this matter, because it's not winning you any allies. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I added specific rewrites in the lastest edit I did to the "core issue" section. See how those feel to you. Although I do not feel I disparaged you in any way (I still don't consider naming you as an example or a proponent as a personal attack), I apologize if you felt antagonized. I cut to the chase, I try to be blunt and to the point, but I do not try to scare people/intimidate them out of a discussion and I don't want this to be the case here. Cheers. --Karlos 09:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations Bex, you've earned it. -- Scourge   09:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the team! Good to have some more great sysops! -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 10:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * <3 - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 10:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Awww, and I was going to use my awesome admin powers to crush you. :P Oh well. Congrats. --Karlos 10:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * haha wubs to all. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 10:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Grats :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 12:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks! ^_^ *sits and waits for vandals* >:) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 12:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Bex! May your enemies fall swiftly to your newfound power. ;) - Tanetris 12:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, congrats... it's well deserved :D --Santax (talk · contribs) 12:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You do realise I'm going to have nothing to do now there's another Aussie admin! I think you phrased it better than this but I look forward to the new girl power sysop team! Congrats Bex ;) --Xasxas256 16:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Geez what are you still doing awake? I just watched a horrible extended cut of "Lynch's" Dune. What's your excuse? I have to go collapse into bed soon. I can't stay awake as long as I could when I was younger. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I could ask you the same thing. I also find that I can't stay up as late but I'm far more worried about the fact that I can't wear shorts as often as I used to, I feel the cold more now compared to when I was a kid. I'm getting old Bex, I've recently started drinking tea...that can't be good! --Xasxas256 16:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I already gave you my excuse - that movie was 3 hours long. :S I wear a cape at all times, as well as white, furry boots, so I'm not often cold. Yes, a cape. (It's not really a cape). - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I mention that I have impaired memory functionality when I'm tired. I think it's called "fish memory". Myself, I'm all about Asian slippers, mine are currently held together with tape, I can't afford the $2 to buy some more. That's right 2 bucks! (it's not really the money that's the problem :P :P :P) --Xasxas256 16:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I do proclaim that we should continue any discussion tomorrow when we are both at our full mental capacities. Goodnight! ;D - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 16:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea, would stop me writting crazy stuff like this. You could use your new found reverting powers though...! 'Night. --Xasxas256 16:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Congratulation's Bex!! Much deserved :) -- Lemming64 17:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats Bex! -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 22:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * /Congrats Bex--Bane of Worlds (talk • contribs) 23:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Eek
I just reverted 3 vandalisms...all containing a BUNCH of links...and from different users...I'm confused. Vengeance Signet 06:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a bunch of spam bots or bots that remove +'s from articles or delete everything after a &. If you see someone doing it you can report it at Guild Wars Wiki:Admin noticeboard and anyone who is online can see if they should be blocked. You are of course, free to continue reverting any vandalism you see. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 06:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Make that 4, and yes I will continue to revert. ^^ Thanks for the answer. =P Vengeance Signet 06:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Unblocking...
LordBiro just unblocked a bot that he says you asked him to unblock. I am not sure if you know this, but you can go to Special:Ipblocklist and unblock anyone you want yourself, without having to owe favors to you-know-who. :P --Karlos 08:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I like bossing him around. :( I was looking at that page last night but completely failed to see the unblock option. I wanted an opinion on it anyway, seeing as our blocking policy isn't official and everyone likes to do different things! LOL @ Pepe blocking for 12.65 fortnights. :o - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Collector Info
Heya, I'm currently working on sorting out the Trophy stubs and the collectors with it. I've been inter-linking the the collectors with their wanted trophy and such and I've been thinking of listing the collector under the weapon's Acquisition heading, just so that if your looking for a weapon you can see the monsters that drop it and the collectors willing to trade for it. Any thoughts on this? --Affian 09:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea. It is a form of acquisition. Try bringing it up here as well. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 09:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah ok found that it's already listed under the weapon formatting guide (Been looking at trophy and npc formatting all day). Looks like you've asked this question before too, Here -- Affian 11:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And don't forget Rezyk's little project over here Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Creature_traits. Also some useful info on collectibles. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 17:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Avatar of Dwayna
What a nice screen of that avatar! What, were you standing on top of the NPC? How are you looking down? - Thulsey   - talk 06:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the Acolyte of Dwayna? - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 06:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, that's the one... typing fingers sometimes faster than my brain. =P Very nice composite of the two separate entities. There, I typed this one slowly and carefully. ^^ -  Thulsey  [[Image:User Thulsey good.gif|Zheng]] - talk 06:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I do the same thing. :P That's actually a very old image I found while going through old screenshots I'd saved for gwiki (I'll be uploading some more later, but they are mostly weapons). I took it with my warrior, and I remember being annoyed that the bloody enemy kept attacking me and was getting too close. I was on a slightly higher elevation, and my warrior is as tall as possible, and the Acolyte is leaning forward so it does make it seem like I was towering over it a bit. :P I just remember wishing that it would leave me alone so that I could take pictures in peace. ^_^ - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 07:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I died a few times getting Cho a while back as I passed by him with my monk. Between flagging off the heroes and a little lag, it took a couple of resurrections to finally get it. I was mad I couldn't get to him before he starting sitting on his spirits. =P - Thulsey  [[Image:User Thulsey good.gif|Zheng]] - talk 07:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Skill pins...
Seeing the bonus items from the pre-release pack reminded me... Which skills did you get? I got Aura of the Lich (which I like) and Victory is Mine (which I don't like as much). --Karlos 17:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I got Aura of the Lich and I think Crippling Shot. What did you enter? - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 03:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Crippling Shot is so FTW! --Xasxas256 04:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I put in a whole weapon set I called Weapons of the Unholy. No idea which one was a finalist. --Karlos 05:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What did you submit? BeXoR's Hexor... necro offhand? :) --Karlos 11:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * A shield with an iris emblem on it, and a mesmer staff head/wand/offhand that was dual-Lyssa dancing entwined. Mesmer ftw. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 11:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Release Bonus Pack in Australia
I just got my Pre-Release Bonus Pack from EB Games in suburban Melbourne, so they have reached our shores. If they want you to pay for it, tell them to get lost! (The actual pack contains basically nothing you wouldn't get in the online store: old Nightfall trailer, pre-release key, picture of menacing foes on the inside of the cover, disc with Jora printed on it, no tea. -- Dashface 09:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think I'll be picking up a copy of it for my spare account, just so that I can have the map and stuff that comes with GW:EN. Otherwise I'll be ordering it from the store because I want the mission pack and I've got too many characters as it is. ;) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 11:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I decided to go with the three extra character slots. They're hatcheries for more minipets now. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 12:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, awesome. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 12:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, how much is it at EB? --Xasxas256 00:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think Dashface paid for his, so I'm guessing they're giving them away... -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 01:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I obviously don't understand any of this! What did he get? How much is GWEN? Is there a PvP version for it? I'm such a noob! You know what I'll rub it in, someone can subst in unsigned after this! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Xasxas256.
 * He went to EB and pre-ordered GW:EN. They gave him the pre-order pack for free. It will cost 49.95 from EB Games. And no, no PvP version. ;P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Only today did I go to EB to pick it up. SHOCK HORROR, they didn't have any left (heart attack time). Then the employees told me to go to another, nearby, EB, since apparently, that EB couldn't get rid of them. I went there and swindled myself a pack and it's been Happy Happy Joy Joy mode (with cheshire cat grin too!) for the last few hours. --Kale Ironfist 09:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's lucky! I imagine it must have something to do with the store locations. I bet the suburban stores around here have a few copies left, but EB is really slack and doesn't keep track of stock in all their stores, and they don't even offer to call somewhere else for you... Ugh! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 15:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Attention
May I get your attention to my first try to write the armor formatting guide? :P Or are you just avoiding it on purpose, I would understand that too. :) - anja   08:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I read through it before and it looked fine to me. :) I had written something basically identical, and not complete but I can't find it. :S - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmh :/ Well, then we have a guide up at least. :) Going to fix some details here and there and get the armor art index one up. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 08:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that when anyone makes the articles for the new armor types (if it isn't you or I!) we will spot any errors and be able to see in the formatting guide where it needs changes. At this point though, the guides aren't too important because everything's done! Meanwhile, check out the female mesmer armor galleries and tell me what you think. :) I've got to do a couple more masks that I didn't do because my main mesmer's hair gets in the way (ignore the Discreet pics for now, cant be bothered redoing them for that small error :P). All of the standard armor galleries are done for female mesmers, except Kurzick and Luxon which I can't get yet, and probably wont bother buying. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. I'll check out the galleries :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 09:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Lovely :) Finally we have some complete galleries, and also something to show "this is how it should look" :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 09:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * :D I went the extra mile and made them all the same size so that if someone wanted they could copy and paste the component shots into photoshop and piece together whatever ensemble they want. :) I'll be doing the other profession ones sometime, as I've just deleted most of my characters and am remaking them. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 10:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's really nice :D o.O on the char deletion, I don't think I would have the heart to do that. All the money I spent on skills and armor... :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 10:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)