User talk:Wynthyst/Archive/July 08

Advice
Wyn, you're pretty clued up on wiki policies. Is calling an entire alliance a bunch of...and lets see if i get this completely right... "Dishonorable, disrespectful, cheating, scamming, lying, sleazy scumbags who take advantage of newbies and scam them", a breach of NPA or not? As I don't know myself. I respect your opinion and viewpoints on things like this as you seem to always be a calming voice in any argument, so just wanted to check with you before I go to the Admin noticeboard with it. (look at me being all good and resisting the urge to shout FIRST!) -- Salome 10:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but wouldn't the "These are absolutely not permitted in any form: ... Libel or defamation" section of GWW:USER cover it? Kokuou 10:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh probably, Thanks Kokuou, you're a wee star! It seems Aiiane was too fast for us all though and got their first, the Wiki ninja that she is. :) -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 10:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad I could be of assistance :P--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 10:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 10:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Wyn. ECed with you on that talk page revert. You may wanna do it again. o_O Kokuou 10:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gonna just wait til he settles down, and Salome you may wish to do the same...--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 10:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How do I merge the pages or redirect like you mentioned. Sorry I am trying to figure it out but I haven't found anything on it. Thanks. --Tesla 23:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems you have just created duplicate pages. I would suggest that your main user page User:Tesla be used for general information about you, with links to your various character pages User:Tesla/Dj Tesla and User:Tesla/Karina Ling. The other page Tesla can just be deleted. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. I just figured out how to move page's today. XD So I am putting everything after the User:Tesla. Sorry it took me a bit to figure it out. I know I made a bit of mess on the way and I'd clean it up if I knew how. XD Anyhow I was curious, how do you edit your signature so it can have an image? I've seen quite a few the last 2 days and was wondering how. Thanks again for all your help, including pointing out that Devildog made a page. --Tesla 16:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You are doing fine Tesla, don't ever be afraid to edit. There is no 'mistake' on the wiki that can't be easily fixed. I hope I didn't come off as too obnoxious, or harsh, just trying to help you learn. For your signature, go to the signature policy. It will tell you how. -- Wyn 16:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me how I can set up the signature and everything. You guys have been soo helpful. ^_^ Its appreciated. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Tesla (talk).
 * Yw.. now you just have to remember to use it :P--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * XD Thats true. I am still trying to remember to do that. As for a question you asked earlier, eventually every one of our djs that are in guild wars will have a wiki page. If you have any suggestions please let me know. I am open minded. XD --Tesla 19:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, normally it's bad wiki etiquette to edit other's userspace. But if they have asked you to create their pages, that's cool. I just noticed you editing a couple of them. If you guys want to present a unified style, you may want to look into creating a 'Blade Radio' page template (not the userbox).--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have edited it for any other reason. I'll admit I've had to look at how some other people set up their pages to be able to set mine up, but I never saved. I only helped Barbie cause she asked me and we are co-workers. As for the Blade Radio Template, your talking about like saving down mine and cleaning it up so all the djs have to do is make a few edits and then use that as their template for their user page? --Tesla 20:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I mean create a 'Blade Radio' userpage template... So you'd all have a page that while being easily personalized, would also link you as a group... --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Just for you ...
I archived :) -- Kakarot  14:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! For me and everyone else that visits your talk page!--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 14:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou.
Thanks for the tip on how to disband a Guild page. This should be easily accesible information. Cheers. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:121.44.227.130 (talk).

Spanks
For the email about the buyout thing. I didn't know you had to actually click on the little "buy out!" thingamajig. I did it before by just entering my bid price, albeit for a 2,000gp item. I suppose it works differently with smaller prices. Oh well, I'll just have to keep looking for another SR Celestial Compass. :D Kokuou 08:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Mask page
Hey hey Wyn, As you know I'm working on the mask pages at the mo and have started on the ranger ones and noticed that you're a primary ranger. I know this is a weird request but do you have any of the masks I'm missing (Kurzick, Luxon, Elite Kurzick, Elite Luxon, Ancient, Asuran and Monument) and if so, could i lend them to screen cap? -- Salome 00:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I have the elite lux, and monument. And it's not a wierd request. I did it for Jenna to get the icons too. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 03:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry my love, was dog sitting last night so wasn't really on as much as i wanted to be. If i could lend the monument mask, that would be much appreciated. I can be on whenever is convenient for you. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 18:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I also have the Ancient. And I'll be on all afternoon, just pm me in game.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 18:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll log on now -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 19:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, come on. See if he thinks it's funny first. --71.229.253.172 09:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's common wiki etiquette to not edit other user's pages without their permission. It will be considered vandalism and can earn you a ban. Please refrain from further additions. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 09:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Forums
Can someone help me make forums for my guild? please? --Volken Blade 18:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't host forums here on the wiki. There are several free forum websites that you may wish to look at. this one is fairly popular. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 18:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wyn, but could you show me where Guild: Death Is Energy got theirs from? --Volken Blade 19:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears they have their own hosted website/forum. You may want to contact one of their wiki editors to find out what services/software they use for it. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 20:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Dye Combo
May I know the dye combo of your Mesmer Asuran and Monument armor? Brodly 19:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * green and yellow. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 01:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Be trendy, change your sig
Trendsetter Yo started, Seru uses it in a special way (more or less intended :P), and now it's up to you to include your Carl as well. &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 18:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I have a clue what you are talking about, suddenly I am so confused!--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * O - M - G ... you actually changed your sig... I am amazed :O lol -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 06:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, you are so silly. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 06:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was talking about that:
 * old - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt_sig.jpg|16px|Have a look at my page]] &rarr; new - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]]
 * old &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver &rarr; new &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver
 * The sig includes a link to the "shoepuppet" rather than the actual user account. (those secondary accounts are shorter forms of the actual accounts, Seru's sig actually doesn't include it, but he uses a longer signature than his actual user name, hence it has a similar structure.)
 * As i noticed you also created a "shoepuppet", i proposed to change your sig to this:
 * old --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst &rarr; new --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst
 * Well, but you already changed your sig...the other way round:
 * --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst &rarr; --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn
 * well, whatever. :P This section was not intended to aim at anything productive. Though i hope i could explain now what i was talking about^^ &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 12:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * as for the "carl", read the link he posted to my archive :) - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]] 12:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah.. ok.. gotcha, I just did the shoepuppet to keep anyone from taking the name and making my life difficult, since I seem to be getting some name recognition around here now. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 13:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Character Template
Did to you mean to put it :User: here? (in the pre box). Dominator Matrix  18:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I mean to put what there?--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The : In front of user in the pre box (grey box). Dominator Matrix  18:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's how I've always used it. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just checking :). Dominator Matrix  18:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The colon means it doesn't take the template from the Template namespace -- however, when a namespace is defined (e.g. User:), the colon isn't needed. For example, if you did it would use Template:Hello. If you did  it would use Hello.It doesn't make a difference whether you do  or, though. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|17px|]] Brains12 \ talk 18:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Good to know, as well..XD would hate to go back and fix another small mistake >.< Dominator Matrix  18:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, to be precise:

'' Pages in namespaces other than the "Template" namespace can also be used as templates, except for pages in namespaces specified in $wgNonincludableNamespaces. To use a page in the main namespace as a template, add a colon before the page name.

Also it provides an alternative way of calling a template, which can be used in the case of a name conflict with a variable, e.g. Template:Ns:3 and Template:PAGENAME; while     and User talk:Wynthyst/Archive/July 08 give User_talk and Template,  and  give Template:Ns:3 and Template:PAGENAME. ''
 * Taken from W:Help:Template [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 18:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh and your mission/vanquish template needs usage layout. EG. You didn't list if you need 1,2,3 for mission,bonus,completed. Dominator Matrix  18:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I added that, it needs a few other tweaks that I haven't gotten to yet. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No rush, and thanks :D <font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  00:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Input
Heya Wyn, since we you are one of the judges for CAP I would like if you helped me and Y0 decide what to do with the prizes here. We were thinking of a point system where, depending on what place you get, you get so many points and can choose your prize from the list. Thanks! :D -- Shadowphoenix  19:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

3 Ghosts at Lahander Finally I got 2 to show up problem 1 missing and I fought them
I did fight them they are green now, maybe i was supposed to kill one before the other, I think its the monk or priest that is not there and ive tried Kneeling again. Maybe I must just resart mision ? By the way you Guys/Gals are great this is the best help I ever seen--196.207.32.38 10:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Quasimodo Killbill
 * Would you like me to come with you? See if we can't get it done? --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 10:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That would be cool do I stay at monument or meet at storage inmBlacktide u tell me i be there--196.207.32.38 10:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Quasimodo Killbill
 * I am in Blacktide Den International District 1, character name Alexa N Dryte. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 10:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hero armor images
Nice idea cropping all those image uniform to 332×832px. Yet you forgot Image:Razah Mysterious armor.jpg. As i don't know where you are exactly leaving the whitespace, i'll leave it up to you to do the last step of this "crooping-mission". :P &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 15:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They aren't all that specific size, in fact more of them are 350 X 900, but I thought I got them all consistent at least for each hero... I'll check Razah's.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They all look consistent on the NPC project page, except for Razah. &mdash;Zerpha[[Image:UserZerpha The Improver sig.png|talk]] The Improver 10:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Laughing at me
That's not very nice! I'm going to tell on you. Where do I go to do that?  - Festooned Twinklepixie  03:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * HAHAHAHA! --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ur so mean! ugh!  - Festooned [[Image:User Festooned Twinklepixie sig.gif|19px]] Twinklepixie  03:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * GWW:NOTICE. 68.151.16.139 03:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There you go Twinklepixie.... report away --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks mr. numbers!  - Festooned [[Image:User Festooned Twinklepixie sig.gif|19px]] Twinklepixie  03:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Your welcome ^-^. 68.151.16.139 03:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please don't abuse the noticeboard like that. --  Mini Me '''  14:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC) Wrong page, ignore me x_x --  Mini Me '''  14:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

sorry to bother== ==

I'm having issues with nearly every code Ive tried on my userpage. the one I used now is ok but I cant add more than 6 character links to it >< I was wondering if you could help? :/--Media Control 04:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's because you are using someone else's template... how many links do you need?--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 05:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 10, one for each of my characters.--Media Control 06:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * K.. give me a bit, doing some quests w/my guild, but I will fix it for you. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 06:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you :]--Media Control 06:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your patience. You now can add a total of 10 characters to your nav bar. I didn't know what all the names were, so you will have to fix that.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 07:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed the names, editing it now, thanks for all your help :D.--[[image:User Media Control Ravenous Bite 2.png|19x19px]] Media Control talk 14:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the Guild mixup
Sorry for putting it under "BoDC" and not the full name, I'm glad that you helped me out by not deleting the whole thing and just redirect / moving it for me. You seem to be great while helping me. (PS: Thanks for that Bow you traded me :D) Baddock
 * No worries, we are all here to help each other out, and the guild namespace is kinda my pet project. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 12:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wintersay Day Gift
Several presents have their chances of items documented, like these, these, these and these. →<font color="#666666"> uτσpıαи <font color="#B33333">♪  17:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the ones I had looked at didn't have it, besides, we don't copy data from GuildWiki as per copyright, we do our own drop research.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 17:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Then the problem is a copyvio, not that we don't list drop rates on prize pages. →<font color="#666666"> uτσpıαи <font color="#B33333">♪  17:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As has been duly noted on the user's talk page. I can't change my summary.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 17:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Information can't be copyrighted, only its expression. Percentage chances can't be rewritten in any sensible way (pace expressing as a fraction) and are in any event too short to be a literary work in themselves.  Therefore adding this info from GuildWiki is not a copyvio.  It's arguably better for us to do our own research, but I don't see anything wrong with referencing Guildwiki's data if we have none of our own.Cassie 19:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is statistical data, evaluated by researches of contributors on GuildWiki, so I would still say that it is copyrighted content. Especially with a note "from GuildWiki" it is highly questionable. poke | talk 19:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Its just a sharing of numbers not ideas :) &mdash; Renuro Seru [[Image:User Seru Sig3.png|19px]] Talk boxes 20:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cassie is right: information itself cannot be copyrighted. If we copied their droprate page, that would be a copyvio, but a summary of the statistical data from it is not. A "from GuildWiki" note simply acknowledges the source of the information; it does not imply anything more or less than that. - Tanetris 20:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Replying to your reply
Hey, just wanted to reply to your comment on my Talk page. Thanks for the comment about my Userpage. I looked at your own page, and I must say, It is quite good and well organized. I may have to borrow a few ideas of yours, too, if you dont mind.Neithan Diniem 22:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just updated my Userpage, including how I navigate my character pages. If you do decide to use something from my pages, you may wish to see the updated versions. I also used an idea from your page for collapsing segments in the page, I hope you dont mind. If you want Credit for it, just say so.Neithan Diniem
 * Nah, I'm fine :D but thanks!--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Bad Hair Cut?
Image:User Shadowphoenix Wyns hair.jpg hehehe -- Shadowphoenix  04:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gee thanks :P --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 05:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
on getting to 10,000 hours :) -- Kakarot  11:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! This calls for a wiki party!!!! *starts the conga line* -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 16:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Prezzie!!!!
--  Silverleaf   22:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WOOT!!!!--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * poke | talk 22:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

&mdash;  Skakid  22:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

&mdash;Zerpha The Improver 22:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Guild page cleanup
Hello Wyn, you cleaned up my guild page 'Devilz Of Vvar', but can you clean up my other guild page 'The League Of Jerks'? cheers.--Volken Blade 18:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Decided to take initiative and do that before Wyn could get to it. I even took the liberty of copying the alliance nav. You know, you could just check Guild formatting or the example page and do a bit of copy-paste. -- Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 18:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. do you know how to make the picture of the cape zoom in to the actual cape? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Volken Blade (talk &bull; contribs) at 19:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC).
 * You mean cropping? Find the file in your Guild Wars Screenshots folder, edit it with an image editor like MS Paint, and use the dotted square (Or whatever other symbol/name they have) over your cape, then copy-paste it to a blank image file. Save, and upload. Don't know exactly how that would work if you're using a Mac, though. Also, unsigned tag! -- Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 19:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, sry lol. could you do it for me? --Volken Blade 19:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose I might as well. Admins and capable users aren't always going to be bored enough to help others, though, so try to get in some practice with other things. Play around with a sandbox, yours or the general one, experiment with the tools of your best image editor, things like that. It's fun, too. If you need anything else that's not admin-worthy material while I'm still on, just go to my talk page so Wyn doesn't get a bunch of pings in her watchlist. OK, going to upload it, but if you want a larger cape image, you're going to have to zoom in in-game (with either a mouse wheel or the '9' button). -- Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 19:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mind helping clean up, but I do agree Volken that you could easily do it yourself. The template codes are all on the formatting guideline page. Don't be afraid to mess it up, there is nothing on the wiki that can't be fixed :D, and doing is the best way to learn. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 20:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Archive Info
Thanks for the Archive. If I make any more trouble, please let me know in the talk page like you did with the archive :). I don't exactly know the whole policy so I am getting around it. Anraiki 09:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC) (I forgot my signature)


 * It's fine :D, don't ever be afraid to edit, and don't take our corrections personally, we are just trying to help you learn. Feel free to ask any helper, check out the Help Center, or post a question on our Help:Ask a wiki question page. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about my user talk archive
Hey. I noticed that you returned the archived discussions on my talk page back. I was wondering if the way I archived them was incorrect. I didnt just deleat the discussions, I moved them to User_talk:Neithan Diniem/archive. I left a Link to this archive at the top right side of the talk page. Is there a specific way that I should Move these discussions? I checked the User Talk Policy, and I cant seem to find what I did wrong with it. Could you perhaps tell me how I can archive my old discussions similar to the way that I did previously, without going agenst the rules? Thanks.Neithan Diniem
 * my bad then, I didn't see the archive or the link to the archive. just undo me :P --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)