User talk:Rogueonion/Archive 1

blah blah blah I guess I have to type something here for it to exist. < Quick! hand me that Langutron Translator I don't under stand wth is goin on! Oh man, Now I need a Computron navigator so I know where the hell I am...LEMME USE YOURS!

Hey
sup bro? -- adrin  01:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes? You shall have to pardon my defensiveness, people on this website are incredibly rude and rather know-it-alls and I come from a polite society. However if you are posting here to just be rude to me here, please GO AWAY. Rogueonion 02:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Geez, you dont have to shout =( Just saying hello... -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * read below? this is exactly what I was trying to avoid, and hello. Just tired of not being able to put my thoughts down and work them without being harrassed. Rogueonion 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well i understand, but u dun have to shout at meh. I'd rather not read through all that crap. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * heh, well most of it was my thoughts as I was editing them and making concise notes regarding the mesmer update and why it has a negative affect on Hard Mode, especially regarding melee "physical" classes. Then the hate mail started. Rogueonion 03:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ah ok. and by crap i meant all the harassment shit -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * aye and no offense, but, looking at your page you are "friends" with the people harassing me, so I naturally presumed. That I would make note that I was not looking to be harassed here, which happened anyway Rogueonion 03:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Stan Kyle and Kenny all hate Cartman, but he sticks around.... -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * very good point, alas, What I am doing needs to be done, and if not sooner, then it will eventually be done by someone else, so, whatever they harrassed me I moved most of it to a wordpad document and will edit it there now, and STILL make my case, but it would have been nice to use the talk page so people who had genuine input could make that input as there is no realistic place for this information on the wiki. Rogueonion 03:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * tbh, the devs haven't read wiki suggestions for about 4 years. thats why i dont even bother. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 03:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is true, but if at least the information was there it would be available for say someone else who could read it and see that genuine work went into it, it would also help some people prepare for it, I have been working out builds to work towards countering it, but it is still a very overpowered which normally is not a problem, it is the fact that it is SPAM mmm with eggs, that is causing the trouble,in hard mode I have no issues, WITH hard mode MESMERS it is an entire different story. Rogueonion 03:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My apologies for misunderstanding your desire, Rogueonion. I had created the page assuming that you wanted a place for you to solely edit. If your goal is to have Anet be able to read and use your suggestion, while getting a much more structured response from the wiki, then I would suggest taking a look at Feedback:Main. It's a much happier median between a Word document, and attempting the organization on your talk-page. It will also get you and Anet around any ownership issues on your idea (to my knowledge, all information on the Feedback area is owned by Anet). That way, they can both read and put your idea to use, if they so choose.
 * If you would like, I can put a delete tag on the page that I created for you, if you do not wish to use it. G R E E N E R  03:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * nah jsut put a delete tag on ti all, I will work in the privacy of my pc and just send a snail mail letter to anet, that seems to be the only way that i can work and not be harassed. Rogueonion 03:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No one is harassing you. You placed this information on a public talk page, that usually is an invitation for discussion. When others like GREENER tried to explain this to you you went off on a tantrum. Nothing that is posted in userspace can be read/used by the developers. If you wish to tell them something, make suggestions for changes, go to Feedback:Getting started, read the rules, and instructions, and go from there. Only things posted properly in the Feedback namespace can be used by the developer teams. You may want to look through the stuff others have already suggested to make sure you aren't duplicating ideas. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  03:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * unlike most of you, I need a place in which to edit my work, and i was hoping to have a clean environment where people who had like mind could collect thoughts on the matter, and please wyn LEAVE ME ALONE. Rogueonion 03:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not want argument, I did not want contradiction, I wanted a place to put my thoughts down, and put them together I get this is not the place now LEAVE me ALONE. Rogueonion 03:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You could make a page, for only you to edit, then open up the talk page for people to make their contributions. Also, to remove talk from your talk page, make an archive of this page and move the comments over. It's a great way to clear your page of unwanted comments. Sonic Tuesday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 03:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * nah i'm good man just leave me alone I am trying to cancel this stupid account so that I do not have to be harassed anymore, Rogueonion 03:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Anet can not accept game ideas/suggestions in any way other than the Feedback namespace here. You can find that is their legal position here. And if you wanted a private place for your thoughts, a public talk page is not the right place. Now please stop shouting at me, I've done nothing but try to help you. And you can't "cancel" this account. Just stop using it. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  03:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * and all I have done is ask you to LEAVE ME ALONE, what is SO hard about that? stop talking to me stop harassing me, leave me ALONE, I never ASKED for your help, I never WANTED your input, and all you have done is escalate it by continuing to bother me, so yes stretch your freedom of chat, but realize that until you learn to respect the wishes of others, you are just harassing them by forcing your help on them, Rogueonion 03:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't leave the wiki if you have valuable contributions to give. Sucked that trolls kept posting, but don't sweat it man. Just archive the talk page, ignore them, and they'll go away. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 05:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks, "to archive, copy this page into another page" <rather vague instructions?? Rogueonion 06:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Though I've never tried it myself: Help:Archiving G R E E N E R  07:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, those are the rather vague instructions that make no sense to me lemme reread them real fast to make sure, but I believe that is where I got the quote from, Rogueonion 07:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

To clarify: First, create a page for the archiving to go to. Something like User talk:Rogueonion/Archive1. Then, copy/paste the contents that you're transfering to the page. Remember, these comments belong to others, so direct copy/paste is best done by grabbing from the "edit" page. Once there, create a link so that other people can get to your archive. Stealing code quickly from Adrin and place this on the top of your talk page. G R E E N E R 07:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I am confused on what happened here? HELP! Rogueonion 07:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me try to fix it. One sec ; ) G R E E N E R  07:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

If ya do not come correct get the heck away from me because The Dude Abides.
Treat others with respect do not come into my house and pee on my rug.

On the Mesmer Buffs,
I am opening my talk here and I want people to shut up and read what I have to say and for gods sake pull your heads out of your behinds and do not be rude here, The FC attribute now makes mesmers on Hard Mode spam their skills, Especially the skills that shut down melee, Yes they buffed ALL the shutdowns, but they made all of the melee shutdowns have a faster recharge rate than the caster shutdowns, Empathy has a recharge of 8 seconds(and looking further at the melee shutdown skills we realize that the majority of these have 8 for their recharge time as does ether feast, now that would normally be alright, but add the fast casting attribute into that mix and consider, at level 20 with max FC there is a 47% bonus faster recharge making it recharge in 4 seconds instead of 8, now calculate that for a level 30 monster, and we have spammable skills.
 * On hard mode we now also have groups of mesmers super spamming Ether Feast which eat's up energy to heal them, I literally was in a pug which ended up party wiped, when we had Ether Feast spam on us and NOBODY had any energy left.
 * Now consider that where melee classes are concerned, Mesmers on hard mode were ALREADY a huge issue, so ok, lets speed them up, make them spammable AND super buff them besides, everybody says "I do not know what I am talking about," the TRUTH is I am tired of people who are unable to do the math realistically not seeing what is right in front of their faces.
 * I am not the only person having this issue, the wiki is full of people having similar issues, I have friends that play this game who refuse to enter hard mode because melee classes cannot survive. I have more than adjusted my builds, I have tried a multitude of methods, The problem therefore needs further testing from the perspective of melee classes. This problem is MOST obvious inside the WiK content where most of the WiK npc's are secondary mesmer and the hexes and conditions are super stacked. Rogueonion 05:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, HM enemies already had all their recharges cut by 50%. The FC buff probably makes a very slight difference(2-3 seconds on most spells.) Life Guardian 05:11, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I should have figured, check this out, THEY ARE spamming their skills stop arguing with me and go test it, Rogueonion 05:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Life Guardian is actually incorrect; Hard Mode does not include an enemy recharge buff. Just sayin'. 71.239.42.33 05:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It may not say it there, but they definitely have one. Life Guardian 06:17, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean he is correct?I am the one saying the mesmer enemies get a serious recharge buff, regarding the recent update. they ARE spamming skills that should take longer to recharge, IE: a group with one mesmer instantly recasting empathy after applying it, and having it instantly removed. Rogueonion 05:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * However All of this is moot, because I am not the ONLY person having this issue, the following is a quote:


 * This is my first feedback, but I feel so strongly about what I'm going to say that I'll even send an email to ANet. To wit -- enemy Mesmers in PvE have become party-killers. Most noticeable in Hard Mode, especially with boosted Fast Casting attributes (curse you, level 30 creatures). Post-update, Eye of the North areas are much harder in Normal Mode and Hard Mode, and the Fissure of Woe (not sure about other end-game areas like the Underworld) has creatures like the Skeletal Ether Breaker that can solo a party and wipe it. Those seven pips of health regeneration allow them to tank, too; really, there's no more need for other classes except as body-blockers, as these Mesmers can tank an all-human-team's damage and still out-DPS Elementalists (curse you, Energy Surge). But most egregious in my opinion is the nerf of consumables, cheapening some hitherto high-end items; was it really in necessary to cap everyone else's skill-activation-time-decreases at 25%? Did play-testers fight against level 20+ Mesmers as anything other than Mesmers, themselves? To quote Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/7/7/): "To sum up I like your game, but it is very hard." P.S. Send Pocky. --Morgana1 15:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There are several other postings, all of which are having similar issues. So, there is obviously a problem which somebody needs to explore somewhere but nobody who has the ability to do so is willing to do so, or admit that a problem exists and this, my friends is why guild wars is begging to fail so harshly. Therefore, I obviously am onto something and do have SOME minor idea of what I say, if only somebody who could make the proper feedback to the devs would just go test it, or talk to the people having the issues. Rogueonion 06:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I read your thing on Jette's page, so I thought I'd try and help you out. I don't like playing gimmicks, so I experiment with my own builds. I've never had a problem playing as a warrior, first of all, and the builds you posted were not that great (I H&H everywhere, except elite areas, I save those for my guildies). Now, what I'm about to say is something based on my own experiences in PvE. So, you can complain, others can ridicule, I don't care, I've found this works.
 * I'll start with your warrior. With the shutdown around, you probably won't be getting off as many attacks, so the few that connect need to count. You're dealing single target big damage, which is nice, because it kills stuff, but doesn't really offer much once you get hit with something that limits your damage output. You also brought a self heal which I dislike because you should leave the healing up to the backline. I suggest running hammer. Knockdown means the enemy can't cast. If they can't cast, they can't shut you down. I'd suggest running something like this: OQcTE5J/HSsIsYHMO6qwwivC3BA (14 HM, 13 Str). It's something I have a lot of fun with and immobilises entire mobs.
 * I dislike the mesmer bar. Blackout means your mesmer charges into the frontline. It's also pretty energy intensive. A Keystone Signet bar works nicely, although I prefer Panic/Psychic Instability + Wastrel's Worry with Mistrust, and probably a hard res. Something like this: OQhkAoC8AGKTIUGkDyAEhp3yP5C FC +1+1, Dom +1, Ins +1 OR Dom +1+1, FC +1, Ins +1 if you want to run Panic (I'm sure you can work out a decent Keystone build if you want to run that). They can't shut you down if they are being shut down.
 * Your monk bars are horrible (sorry). The skills are pretty average, and the energy management doesn't seem worthwhile. I would actually rather run a support rit with party heals and weapon spells, but since you have two monks, let's work on that.
 * If you want to run hex removal, run a PnH support bar (OwET8YIXnRh89CIrkJyFpLiXAA). I like running RoJ, because it goes well with Earth Shaker, so I sometimes run a smite monk (OwAS4YIP+Mrv94hgXr+UfXC). UA is nice and I've found this works well: Owoj0wQ86QEY0V+DTfbENg3NMEA.
 * Experiment with different classes and different skills. If a build doesn't work, don't keep using it. Change it. You can't expect a build to work everywhere in the game, so it's obviously time to try something else.
 * King Neoterikos 07:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for all of that, let me make note real fast that the builds I posted on the other page, I used one time, then updated with changes as necessary, The self heal is more of an IAS that has no negative factors and when paird off with enraging, =) it means my bar is well and almost full of adrenaline. I hate hammer, its slow and I die faster when paring off against mesmers as I cannot hit, due to the incessant spam of anti melee mesmer skills, I prefer TO NOT have 2 monks, I was working with the idea, that if i had to bring another monk in a party of 6 I may as well try to control what they have to work for hexes/conditions, I never return politeness with rudeness, You missed an entire conversation where people teamed up and bombed on me which led to them bombing on me more because I refused to discuss with them the issues above <because they bombed on me to begin with, the issue is, if you read ANYTHING from above your post, the mesmers are over spamming their over powered skills, and this is what is leading to party wide death in many cases.  I cannot possibly bring enough hex removal to remove empathy enough times to keep it off of me so I can do some damage, and now there is no tanking through hexes anymore, so while I cannot attack, im being destroyed, and while they are over spamming hexes there is no chance to get out from under them. Rogueonion 07:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why I suggest bringing a hammer. If you can't deal damage, at least knock something down and do something useful for your party. Otherwise, the mesmer will shut down the other mesmers, leaving you to build and knockdown. King Neoterikos 07:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and yes, I have tried hammer, I died faster using hammer, as I said above, and the hammer build I have is a rather good one, The point is, memsers doing shutdowns, massive degens, and increased damage on an AoE level, in many cases out DPS'ing elementist's, is a huge issue here, Check this out, OQATE5JXH6uIsYHEtIxJw6u8qAA <hammer, and this is what eventually got me past the mesmer in question, alas I had a hell of a time in that fight as well, because the anti hex only works once every 20 seconds, OQUTImITZSBwwywovYHcq5vimEA <sword, I have been tempted to go spear on my war, but my para has been failing due to over hexing from mesmers as well and this leads me to believe that I will see the same issues on my war, Shoot, I could not even run Imba effectively against mesmers, because of the anti melee skills that they spam.Rogueonion 07:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The following is a quote from another posting:


 * Actually, you do have a point. There are a ton of counters to warriors. The game was designed that way from the beginning: warriors have the highest consistent damage output, but there are many more ways to deal with them than with caster-based damage. So, smart people thought up ways to get around those counters such as Shatter Hex and Rend Enchantments to retain that high damage output.

With all of NF and EotN's power creep, caster damage now pretty much nears that of a warrior, sure. But the counters to warrior shutdown are still there, and most of them have not been changed since their creation. There is no excuse not to use skills that counter the most prominent enemies in an area (which is basically what a mesmer is supposed to do, a pity the Anet staff does not know.) Koda Kumi 08:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Rogueonion 08:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason you are attacked is because you ask that mesmer buffs should be tested from a different perspective, while failing to look at other perspectives. Of course the mesmer buffs are strong. They are strong against everything, not specifically physicals. Further, you do not realize the actual problem. You get three guesses on the real problem. Here's a hint: it's not mesmers and it rhymes with "bard node." In the mean time, just use Defy Pain and a hammer or axe. Or if there isn't too much enchantment removal, micro SoA on yourself and use Hundred Blades. Or you can be lame, micro Balthazar's Aura and perma Shadow Form. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  22:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah they need to go back and balance the game so that hex removal is adequate to the problem, and there is no excuse to attack someone for their opinion, especially when you do not know what that opinion is, I do not know where you come from, But, I come from a place where I was taught that insulting someone due to a disagreement of opinion is considered rude, it also shows the mentality of the people who do that, they seem to be 10 year olds in adult bodies <Sparky - I choose not to dignify the fact that you ignored my request at politeness with further insult other than to tell you to GROW UP. and what you fail to see is, I HAVE looked at different perspectives, these buffs they make seem to PUSH us in the direction of abusing skills, then they nerf the skills that we abuse to get past the retarded buffs. How about, they stop making retarded buffs, and just balance the game eh? WHAT A NOVEL IDEA! You also failed to read above where I made note of specifically HOW they are STRONGER against "physicals" than other classes, and WHY this is such a problem, please go back and read my entire posting, before you tell me how wrong I am. Rogueonion 23:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose I should have made a comparison of the anti-caster skill recharge math, because people cannot do that math themselves given the example above, most anti-caster skills that mesmers are NOT spamming, BECAUSE the recharge times to anti-caster skills is considerably HIGHER than that of anti-physical skills, the majority of anti-caster skills given to mesmers are not being spammed so much as anti-physical skills because there is a 12 second or higher recharge time on the anti-caster skills, which makes them recharge at a slower rate and not as spammable on hard mode as the anti-physical skills due to the Fast Casting attributes 3% bonus recharge per rank. Which is WHY they are SPAMMING Anti-Physical skills more often than anti-caster skills, any questions? go read the skills. ITS ALL THERE for anyone with a brain to see. Rogueonion 23:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Excuse me? When have I insulted anyone? Since you insist on making a lot of words, I will break it down for you.
 * True, hex removals are not up to the task, considering the sheer number of hexes there are and have been added to the game since Prophecies.
 * If these are your opinions, then why do you tell us that they are demonstrable facts? It makes us question your knowledge of "what opinion is."
 * It is actually a logical fallacy. In argumentation. Which happens to be what this is, not a disagreement of opinion. You have changed from saying you are frankly stating facts to "this is just my opinion," but you continue to argue facts.
 * Why are you telling me this? I am not Arenanet.
 * This is an example of the logical fallacy of a speedy conclusion. A rather baseless conclusion. Mesmers are and always have been stronger against casters than physicals.
 * Your argument provides all the evidence for me here. You know what a percentage is, right? It is that thing that is a larger amount for larger numbers. So you are saying that anti-caster skills get a larger recharge decrease than the anti-physical skills.
 * Really? I thought they were spamming the anti-physical skills more because they are conspiring to kick physicals out of Hard Mode (this is sarcasm, I know that it is not always obvious in text). Faster recharging skills have always been spammed more than slower recharging skills unless I missed something. The anti-caster skills have a longer recharge because they are much more powerful than any anti-physical skill and get a larger recharge reduction from the new Fast Casting. Yes, that is right. Not only were more anti-caster skills buffed than anti-physical skills, but they were made spammable more than anti-physical skills. Now, to wrap it up.
 * You may have been taught that, but I don't see you using it. By the way, I never said that it was okay that you were attacked, just why you were.
 * I guess either pointing out flaws in an argument, dry humor, or offering solutions to a problem is impolite. Thank you for reading all of this junk, sorry for the wall of text. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  01:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is an example of the logical fallacy of a speedy conclusion. A rather baseless conclusion. Mesmers are and always have been stronger against casters than physicals.
 * Your argument provides all the evidence for me here. You know what a percentage is, right? It is that thing that is a larger amount for larger numbers. So you are saying that anti-caster skills get a larger recharge decrease than the anti-physical skills.
 * Really? I thought they were spamming the anti-physical skills more because they are conspiring to kick physicals out of Hard Mode (this is sarcasm, I know that it is not always obvious in text). Faster recharging skills have always been spammed more than slower recharging skills unless I missed something. The anti-caster skills have a longer recharge because they are much more powerful than any anti-physical skill and get a larger recharge reduction from the new Fast Casting. Yes, that is right. Not only were more anti-caster skills buffed than anti-physical skills, but they were made spammable more than anti-physical skills. Now, to wrap it up.
 * You may have been taught that, but I don't see you using it. By the way, I never said that it was okay that you were attacked, just why you were.
 * I guess either pointing out flaws in an argument, dry humor, or offering solutions to a problem is impolite. Thank you for reading all of this junk, sorry for the wall of text. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  01:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You may have been taught that, but I don't see you using it. By the way, I never said that it was okay that you were attacked, just why you were.
 * I guess either pointing out flaws in an argument, dry humor, or offering solutions to a problem is impolite. Thank you for reading all of this junk, sorry for the wall of text. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  01:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess either pointing out flaws in an argument, dry humor, or offering solutions to a problem is impolite. Thank you for reading all of this junk, sorry for the wall of text. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  01:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * wow sparky not only are you incapable of reading, you are also incapable of basic math, 47% faster recharge of 8 = what somewhere around 4 seconds yes? while 47% of 12 would be OMG 6 < so a skill that has 8 recharge like the anti physical skills, would recharge 12 seconds SOONER than the anti-caster skills at 6 seconds, not to mention the OVER level 20 buffs from having a higher ranking and recharging faster. Rogueonion 02:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Curse you laptop mouse! < 47% of 8 = 4 47% of 12 = 6 the 4 being anti-physical the 6 being anti-caster AT best scenario recharge for a maxed fast casting level 20. on hard mode with monsters over level 20 this is obviously increased AND then increased again because it is hardmode. Rogueonion 02:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Who is insulting who here?
 * Now, you seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying. I do not know why you choose to use the numbers you used as examples, since most anti-caster hexes (I am not even going to get into interrupts, which are a whole other story completely destroying Empathy or Clumsiness and such) are 20 recharge and anti-attacker skills are around 10 recharge. I happen to be right-brained, and very good at math, so I will walk you through the comparison of Empathy and Backfire. Arguably the two most stereotypical counters.
 * Empathy - 10 recharge, reduced by 6 @ 20 FC, 4 : Backfire - 20 recharge, reduced by 12 @ 20 FC, 8
 * Empathy - 70 damage/attack @ 20 DM, level/armor irrelevant : Backfire - 175 damage/spell @ 20 DM, level/armor irrelevant
 * Yeah, not a lot of math to do there. Look at this, though. Empathy's recharge was reduced by only half as much as Backfire's in the update, but they both deal the same damage as before. Obviously people attack faster than they cast, so let us assume 2 attacks per spell (guess what, Empathy still deals less damage than Backfire, which only has a 4 second longer recharge). I am quite certain that I know how to read, otherwise I wouldn't be responding to your comments. Just so you know. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  02:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with sparky here, his math is sound and casters have it just as hard, any time there are mesmer enemies with interrupts, if you get targeted, you can rarely get a skill off. I'm not saying meele have it easy, only that both sides have equally difficult times at different times. Sonic Tuesday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 03:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with sparky here, his math is sound and casters have it just as hard, any time there are mesmer enemies with interrupts, if you get targeted, you can rarely get a skill off. I'm not saying meele have it easy, only that both sides have equally difficult times at different times. Sonic Tuesday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 03:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Langutron translator:
Let me make this simple,

Simple Translation on builds:


 * I Do not run those three builds exclusively they were FOR TESTING PURPOSES. Do not assume, that because I posted builds which I was working through some testing, are in any way linked to my normal play style. In fact, If the mesmers on hardmode did not spam their skills, so readily we would not be having a conversation of this nature.  So please when you post do not assume automatically that I am an idiot. Assume instead that I have some intelligence and am working towards an answer, even though the obvious answer is, that guild wars needs to go back, and test the retarded overpowered mesmer skill update on hard mode, from the perspective of OTHER classes, to see the HELL they have created ESPECIALLY in the War In Kryta content, Rogueonion 07:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll make it simpler.
 * I can get through all the WiK content without any mesmers at all. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Current Hero Builds,

 * OQCkUym55gmjFuGjjD/w4Fc7+BD <Hayda


 * OQNDAowjOhwcgGw0pTGCL/MA <Gwen <stolen from jette


 * OwAT02nC1RjsR203t7a9Y6/OBA <Dunkoro <stolen from jette


 * OAVEEJpGeJ5HMBMI8JA2wCkAWJA <Livia


 * OgCjkyrM7QAY/XXgEYsXXXrXiXA <My Dervish/Dervish Heros as well

Stop removing your talk page
The next time you do it, you will probably be blocked. ~Shard  01:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also suggest you read the instructions on the admin noticeboard, as well as some of the wiki's guidelines in general. The AN is not a place where you place comments in random sections asking for things sysops cannot do. If you want to make pages nobody else can edit, make a new page in your userspace, for example, User:Rogueonion/Research. Talk pages can be edited by anyone, otherwise, there would be no talking. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Shard is correct. Talk pages are meant for people to use in order to communicate with you. His suggestion of using the page above fits with what you seem to want to accomplish. User:Rogueonion/Research is a place that only you can edit. If you would prefer a different name, replace 'Research' with whatever you desire. Please do not remove other people's comments from your talk page. Thanks. G R E E N E R  01:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * in the above comments I have stated that if you cannot be polite please do not post, i do nto wish to deal with insults, and as this is the only place that I Can collect information regarding the update for guild wars, then this is where i do that, PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE. shard is just proving to me that he is trolling and trying to start drama by constantly trolling my posts. Rogueonion 01:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It would seem like there has been some small misconception. I understand your desire to have your unique place for you to collect your work and your ideas. The location that Shard posted is likely the best point (though I would encourage you to also look at the option of doing a feedback). Unfortunately, you cannot change the rules placed on your talk page. It cannot be the place you are looking for it to be. I hate being the barer of unpleasant news, sorry. G R E E N E R  02:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody is trolling you except yourself. I just offered you a way to do exactly what you want, and you come back and say me helping you is an insult. You just ignored the rules at the top of the admin noticeboard three times in a row, and the rules for talk pages at least 3 times in the last 2 days. I'm advising you to stop breaking rules so you don't get banned. Every single time someone other than you has posted on this page, you mark it as an insult, even though almost none of them are remotely close to insults, and many aren't even negative in any way. I think it would do you a lot of good if you took a time out. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * LEAVE ME ALONE! stop harassing me, and LEAVE ME ALONE! Rogueonion 02:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Ok, a couple of things. First, you can't remove comments b/c the talk page is the community's; you can archive eventually, but outright removal isn't normally allowed. Second, like they've said, if you make a sub-page of your user page, other's aren't allowed to edit it. Third, even if you make a separate sub-page, others can still comment on that talk page; learning to ignore comments can save you a lot of aggravation. --JonTheMon 02:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * JUST LEAVE ME ALONE! Rogueonion 02:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Click on this link, Rogueonion. It is what you are looking for. We are trying to help. G R E E N E R  02:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

LEAVE ME ALONE! ive had enough harassment from childish retarded idiots for one day. Rogueonion 02:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * leave ... alone!-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 03:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Slight moratorium on comments
Shard and sparky, I'd like for you to stay off this page for at least 24 hours. Any further comments will (likely) be considered trolling. --JonTheMon 02:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC) Sparky is still commenting on my page I would like you to do soemthing about the trolling PLEASE. Rogueonion 02:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Whew. There, all fixed, I hope ; ) And I hope properly archived! G R E E N E R  07:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

G R E E N E R is my hero:P
Dude you rock now how did you do it? Rogueonion 07:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I am actually partially to blame for the mistake you made. I mistyped a small amount of code. So yes, my bad.
 * First, I created a place for your archive. Right now, it's User talk:Rogueonion/Archive 1
 * Second, I clicked to edit your talk page, copied all of the text (I assumed you wanted to archive ALL of it), and pasted it into the page I created.
 * Third, I deleted the text on your talk page (after making sure that it was all properly copied over)
 * Forth, I added in code, stolen from Adrin's page, which gave people a link to your new archive. Take a look at his code if you want to see how to add more archive pages.
 * G R E E N E R 07:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is perfect for me to look over and I believe I understand how to archive something and create the second archive page now, thanks, I will probably ask again in a week or two, just as a refresher, but, truth is, I am hoping never to have to deal with that harassment again, we shall see, now I see on your page about the feedback stuff, that all makes more sense than archiving did, and I will let you know after I read it if I need assistance there, Did I show you the Build I ended up using on My war today to do the WiK stuff? It is interesting to me, that when one mentions using a Sword or Axe on para people call one a noob(this in my opinion is an hateful word that should be considered a racial slur as it is used in that way to insult others) but then tell one they do not look outside the box or to different professions enough to get an answer (I guess they just want to feel like they are better than someone no matter the circumstances,) I know that posting this build here is Probably going to open up a world of pain for me but here it is, OQkiExlMZYNDCkpgFK6TMTyXBA  classes, I am not the type to play with PuG's so I depend on henchmen, and God I feel like i'm 10 and have to word everything to fit somebody else's needs, rather than speak in ways that I understand to be normal, Rogueonion 07:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You'll get past that feeling soon enough. It's just been a rougher start on the wiki. One of the big things to learn is that some people can be exceedingly frank/blunt. That's their style, and it's just as allowed as yours or mine. Anyways, I'm off for the night. Take care, and have fun editing on this wiki! G R E E N E R  07:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, night. Rogueonion 07:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Some little advice: Don't let the trolls, and rude people push you around.  Reply calmly with zen-like emotional neutrality.  Then the trolls wouldn't know what to do with themselves and they'll go away.  Trolls feed on emotion, anger, and signs of frustration etc, don't give them what they want.  Hope you have a nice stay at the wiki, and hopefully you'll notice that at least some people here are nice friendly folk. :) -- Lania [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 19:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * While this all may be true, nobody was trolling him. He was violating rules, and people (namely me, greener, wyn, and jon) were telling him to stop breaking said rules. In the future, Rogue, try to be a little more open-minded, especially when others are trying to help you. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Shard leave me alone. Rogueonion 06:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL violating rules, this wiki thing is hard enough to figure out without somebody trolling looking for simple mistakes and reporting that person to admin for a mistake, you didnt put "another warning" you put one, you reported me before that warning was there, and quite frankly please shard read the below statements, and PLEASE GOD PLEASE be OPEN MINDED enough to realize the truth of them, Rogueonion 06:46, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

At what point? A note FOR Shard.
At what point does somebodies, incessant, need to follow another person around and post on their posts become trolling? At what point do my requests for you to leave me alone and you not respecting my wishes become harassment? At what point will you figure it out, I did not ask for your help or input, yet you seem to think that you have the right to post all over my posts as you disagree with them, YOU made YOUR opinion clear, NOW you are harassing me, so please, LEAVE me the hell alone, go bother somebody else, and force them to obey you, because quite frankly you have only proven yourself to be a troll, and this is apparent by your lack of respect for my wishes, your need to follow me around and post regarding everything I have posted on in the last 2 days, and quite frankly, I do not like you, so with all of the above in mind, I do not respect you and I ask you once more to respect my wishes (which I have a feeling will be ignored) to please, leave me alone. Mind your own business, and dip the hell out of mine, and FFS unwatch my page becuase WHO cares about you? I am not watching YOUR page, I could CARE less about you, and quite frankly your need to pay me so much attention shows that you indeed have no life. Sincerly, Rogueonion 06:21, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I have been here, what a couple weeks? So it seems to me, that you specifically chose me because of the fact that I am rather new here and that I have an opinion in opposition of your personal opinion, this is why you followed me around posting on all of my posts for two days, it is why you still are trying to defend the fact that you obviously were harassing me, According to wikipedia, harassment = It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset. Which is what you intended with the entire debacle of last night, you chose somebody new to the wiki  to enforce a rule that you and your friends for the most part ignore, see J.P.'s revert of my archived page. Take also into consideration, I would not have broken any rules, accidentally, or on purpose, had you not been harassing me, or spamming me, or trying to force your opinion on me, which I have a differing view of and will continue to have a differing view of, so spamming my page again, will only prove the fact that the problem is not my "abuse of the rules" but the fact that you are trying to harass me, the definition of which follows in case you missed it above. "According to wikipedia, harassment = It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset."  Once more, Sincerely, Rogueonion 07:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, the last three posts were rather unnecessary. All you needed to do was leave that warning for Shard, and if he persisted (i.e. responded again), take it to the Admin Noticeboard. Wall of texts never solve anything and just invite trolls to respond. King Neoterikos 08:21, 23 June 2010 (UTC) See he is saying if you are frustrated then don't post at all...don't respond...do not pass go...don't collect $200 (monopoly for all you slow people). X treme 10:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate that, but that message in and of itself was given into the double digits, so I felt perhaps a clarification of my feelings on the matter was necessary, as his posts to me continue, How are you today? Rogueonion 08:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, nobody cares, so perhaps not posting at all would be a better option. Pointing out someone's errors is not a violation of any policy, nor will it get someone banned. I suggest having tougher skin so you don't get personally offended by constructive criticism. - Auron 08:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that is nice thanks for that advice, I will file it in the under consideration box, and I get your meaning loud and clear, For an admin to say something of that nature tells me the general make-up of the mind frame of people on the wiki and I will be sure to not disturb your domain again, Rogueonion 08:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to think certain people post their contribs in your discussions just to annoy or harass you, and that others are kind enough to protect you from them. That is not true. Let me explain it to you.
 * Of course you are entitled to have an opinion about GW, of every aspect of it. We even have a complete feedback section of it where everyone (though mostly people with no understanding of the game) can post whatever improvements they think are necessary for the game. So, you can send your complaints about the WiK HM content there and it gets read for certain. You can discuss it with your guildies, put it on GW fansites and you are sure to get some sympathy from pve noobs who have the same problems.
 * But the moment you go to the dev updates page (where people with actual knowledge about the game come often), say the WiK HM content is too hard for warriors, ignore any kind of constructive criticism you get and declare 3 personal feuds, you are getting nothing done besides making a laughing stock out of yourself. Shard, Jette, Yasmin... everyone you have accused of harassment... they are not on a personal vendetta against you. They are good at the game. They know how to deal with hex stacks and know how to use it to their advantage. So stop kicking people in the shins and listen to people if you want to get shit done. Covering your ears and saying NANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU does not help.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  09:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Koda you are incorrect on a couple of points, I never declared a personal feud on either Jette, if you go to his page you see where he and I discuss possible changes I may need to adapt to, and I also never declared a personal feud upon Yasmin, if you could kindly point to where I supposedly declared these two feuds? the only person I have an issue with, is Shard and Sparky, for continuing to harass me after they made their point.
 * Onto the supposed point where I do not know what I am talking about, there are more than 3 people who know how to play this game, and it is a common misunderstanding that those three people are the only three people who are any good at this game, now, if people would spend less time say, telling everyone they are wrong about stuff, and genuinely listening to the problems at hand, they would have a better case to make for helping somebody, as for your personally calling me/and others noob, once more, out of the millions of people who play this game, I refuse to think that only those three people and the people you know are the only people good at this game, you should consider the fact that some people other than you and your friends also have some knowledge and are not so bad at the game, telling someone they are "terrible at something" because they run into an issue, is generally considered an attack where I come from, instead, be a proactive part of a solution, not an attack. Sorry but I disagree with you, which is my right. thank you for posting, but I think you are wrong. Auron, obviously somebody cares because they continue to tell me how wrong I am even when I have asked them to leave me alone, I can handle constructive criticism, but the statement, "I think you are just terrible at the game," was directed to me, at one point and, quite frankly, I am not the most elite player, but I also am not the worst player I have ever encountered, I have never called any of them a noob, and I express the fact now that the way people use that word should be considered a racial slur as the intent of using it, is generally an insult. Rogueonion 09:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Auron, I think I owe you an apology, I was just reading jette's page again, and if you read up slightly from your posting, you will see shard attacking me there, and me trying to get away from it, but that gave me no right to take my frusteration out on you, so I apologize for that, Rogueonion 09:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * extra tab than the thread you want to respond to. And that is not what he is saying...here "so perhaps not posting at all would be a better option"
 * "You are terrible" is somehow equivalent to a racial slur...k. Anyways, perhaps you aren't terrible. Perhaps you're just ignorant and stubborn because you continue to ignore the people who actually know what they are talking about. Life Guardian 10:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference between what I have said above, and what shard did, is that I did not go to every single post that Koda has made in the last two days telling him how wrong he is.
 * No,Telling me I am terrible I am is not a racial slur, Calling somebody a noob because they disagree with you, or because they do not perhaps do things your specific way or in a way that You personally would, should be considered one, and in that post I was trying to make a reference to liken it to an insult in this way,
 * Noob is to racial slur,
 * as saying,
 * ________ is to _________ ,
 * and as most people who bandy the word "noob" about, that is how they intend it, as an insult. Because most people who use that word, they think they are better at something than everybody else and this is apparent that they think so by using that word,
 * Now, Let us assume for a moment that had somebody not said "You are terrible," rather had something constructive to say that was inoffensive yet constructive to the person they were speaking to, you think that person who was offended by what you said would have responded different to your statement of "your terrible"?
 * If I met you for the first time in real life and I told you how terrible you were, would you not be offended? I am certain that you would.
 * So on our first meeting, you said something that is conversationally offensive to me, and I responded in the way that anyone who was offended would respond, with the same disdain for your opinion as the disdain you showed to me in stating that opinion, thanks for giving me the chance to clear that up, Rogueonion 10:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You need a thicker skin. Taking offense so easily on the internet is only going to get you into these kinds of confrontations over and over, and is never going to be productive. As for people making accusations, well, you have made many false accusations of harassment and trolling towards people (like me) who were only trying to help you when it was clear you didn't understand how the wiki worked. As for posting "in response to all of your posts", well, some of us monitor the Recent changes log, where patterns of behavior are very clear, and when someone is running around posting the same stuff on 10 different pages, well, then they are going to get responses on 10 different pages. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  14:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop. Everyone needs to stop posting all over the place.  This includes Rougeonion, and everyone else.  When someone posts something again, just ignore it and move on. This "conversation" isn't going anywhere and shooting insults, accusations, and all this "you said this, and he said that" will never resolve anything.  -- Lania [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 15:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)