Talk:War in Kryta/A2

article needs summary
hey, i havent played guild wars in a long time and cant be bothered to read through this whole article to find out what this is changing ingame, could anyone, for the benefit of people like me, make a summary of all the things that have actually changed in game, perhaps in a format like the update/patch pages, thanks. Shogun 20:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still in progress, leading up to the 5th anniversary update. Well, that's what I'm assuming anyway. Check back in a few weeks for a more concise summary. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 20:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "I'm too lazy to read! :(:(:("


 * a few npcs have been introduced. nothing meaningful has changed yet. –Jette 20:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I got that exact same impression. Just read it, it takes a few minutes at most, and helps keep your eyes working by exercising them. --Kairu 20:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

First sentence
I don't see the necessity of calling "War in Kryta" a "fanmade name" considering it's on the login screen, I suggest a reword unless someone has a reason not to. Eive Windgrace 22:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mabey because Anet DIDNT make the Name, Fans Did? Only making sence we call it a FAN-MADE NAME? + Anet took the Idea from the Fans.therefor it is an Official+Fanmade Name.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 13:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, what do you think ANet was going to call it ANYWAY, whether fans called it that or not? A war is a war is a war, and Kryta hasn't changed its name last I've checked, so um... duh. It's like trying to trademark "apple sauce" because you called it that before your mom told you what it is. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 13:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My Mum did invent the Word Apple Sause and Dont you Forget it  My Point Still Stands, 'War In Kryta' was a Fanmade name and anet used that Fan-made Name in the Login-- Nei l2250   ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 13:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Give a link where an ANet representative says the name was inspired by fans and did not exist internally long before anything was released. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 13:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ask Konig -- Nei l2250   ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon5.jpg 14:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't tell me anything. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 14:32, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have proof it wasn't a fan made name. http://guildwars.com/warinkryta Hey look, it's in the URL, in big letters at the top of the page.... Waaait.... It's almost like this was made and planned before this whole thing began! I would call it a coincidence that users were calling it the same thing, until proven otherwise by ANet. --Kairu 17:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There are fan-made terms that ANet end using when they become widespread, but I don't think this is the case. People started using "War in Kryta" when they read /warinkryta in the URL. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 18:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well considering that the the name is from the URL, I would say it was the official name as well. --User Phnzdvn sig.png  Phnzdvn  18:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Quests
Does this new content come with any quests or is it strictly a story being told? --MrKGado talk 14:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know yet. Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 14:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You can count on some content when the 5th Anniversary finally rolls up. Possibly more than we expect; they seem to be pushing this fairly seriously. Arshay Duskbrow 01:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Guild Wars Beyond
GW's facebook page posted this link. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/guildwars/news.html?sid=6258414&tag=topslot;thumb;1 and it talks about how the War In Kryta is just the beginning of a "campaign" to bring it towards Guild Wars 2. The fact that they called it a campaign could mean either a viral campaign, or a set of quests in the future. But either way there's going to me more to expect, and we haven't seen what the War in Kryta actually is yet, the event is on the GW birthday. Exciting! Gobberpooper 23:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * She specifically says "in-game content"- more specifically, "encounters, scenes, and quests". 68.118.250.100 01:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw! Now you did it! Drool all over my keyboard... Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 15:30, 16 April 2010

(UTC)
 * So, is there a "method to this madness"?? Or is this entire escapade just "random ravings"? Undouble 21:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Patience. Let ANet do their foreplay. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 21:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Word tense
Is there any particular reason why the introduction section (at least) is written in past tense? I would think it should be present tense, given that updates are still in progress...Dux 14:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reading through it, I don't see a problem. It talks about things that were already released, the viral campaign is over and now entered an "ongoing" in-game update stage, or whatever you wanna call it. So it's perfectly fine as it is. And while it would probably be ok to have it in either present or past tense, putting it in past tense as it is now saves the need to go back and change it in a couple of weeks, trying to pick out every word that needs to be changed and not to miss anything that would end up sounding awkward. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Green Weapons
Is it can be new Green Weapons tiem nao, ples?

With all these new bosses, it would be a good opportunity to add more to Prophecies.

Would anyone know if there is place for speculations other than a personal user space? --Curin Derwin 03:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Haven't you noticed that the new stuff is coming in "waves?" Patience. Also, the wiki is for documenting, not speculating, so I'm afraid userspace would be it. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 12:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, user space it is. Thanks for the response! Also, I am aware of the model they are using for this update release; I was suggesting that perhaps Green Weapons might be coming and, if so, it might be fun to brainstorm on some ideas for them. --Curin Derwin 03:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You could make a page for that in your userspace, link it here, and invite people to join. You could also make a suggestion in the feedback space and link your ideas page to it, so that ANet has a better chance of seeing it soon, you never know, they might be interested. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 13:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Question: Are there any other new bosses other than the Peacekeeper ones mentioned on the Peacekeeper page? --Curin Derwin 03:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure, it's probably at least most of them, but then there's nothing keeping ANet from adding more. You might wanna hurry, the birthday is coming up fast. :] [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 11:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Add your Peacekeeper Green Weapon predictions here!--Curin Derwin 15:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Luxon/Kurzick involvement?
Think about it. Before the factions preview events, there were the settlements in Kryta. Could the Luxons and Kurzicks get involved in this war? If they did, things would get very interesting indeed…Taka Ragranok 20:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Doubt it. I suspect there will be a similar event in Cantha, though, concerning the new emperor and the driving of non-humans from the continent. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 20:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Its been confirmed that the War won't reach into other continents. However, it may play a role in Guild Wars Beyond. And I wouldn't doubt there will even be Kurzick v Luxon costumes in the future. -- Konig / talk 20:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We already have Lux/Kurz armors, so I dunno about costumes. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 20:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we might, if there is Kurz/Lux content in GW:B, because all costumes have been not only in pairs, but in rivaling pairs thus far. I don't know about you, but that's the first rivalry I think of when it comes to GW. The second rivalry would be either Order of Whispers or Sunspear vs. Joko's undead. Or Shaman Caste vs other charr. But I don't think we'll get the later.
 * Personally, I'm hoping we get to witness Usoku's reign and the fall of Ascalon. Those are both rather reasonable as well - the later is 20 years after EN, the former is 47 years after that. IMO, up to Primordus' rise is all open for GW:B. Only issue would be showing (or lack there of) of the characters' aging. -- Konig / talk 21:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing is...well, at the point where the GW:B events would unfold for Usoku and Cantha, the Kurzicks and Luxons are being assimilated into the empire, and the "warring" factions are the new, larger empire and the non-humans (few details so far about how exactly the non-humans are "driven out" but we can assume there's plenty of violence). I just don't see how that dichotomy would would work for costumes, though. (Tengu hat?) You may be right, I just dunno. But I'm fairly sure about a Canthan GW:B branch. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 03:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * WM vs SB is Evil vs Good, but Kurzick vs Luxon is Dumb vs Dumber. Call me when the Emperor rallies heroes to wipe them both, but when it comes to helping and fighting, they will rather help themselves and fight each other. As for costumes, I'd rather have an Imperial/Zaishen costume than a Luxon or Kurzick. Just try to imagine one of your character in those Luxon rags, or those Kurzick wigs... ew... Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 13:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ^Truth. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 23:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Well then what about Dwayna vs Grenth? Sure, Grenth wants to turn Tyria into a frozen waste but that doesn't necessarily mean he's evil. Back to the point, another likely pair for GW:B would be Jade Brotherhood vs Am Fah, since we already have unique armour sets for Kurzick/Luxon (as Kyoshi said) and the conflict between them hasn't been too developed aside from territorial conflicts.- Mei Fen 00:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't care about them much, but I do think their armor skins are kind of cool, and I would certainly welcome a revamp for a costume. Regardless, I don't think there's too much material for costumes in Cantha; they'll probably pull something else. --Kyoshi (Talk) 04:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC) , not quite the same. Am Fah and Jades are rival gangs, but lack the "opposing values" analogy, they're both bandits and do essentially the same thing. Even Kurz vs. Lux have a difference of values, such as discipline and self-sacrifice for the good of the forest vs. the freedom of the open sea and bonding with living creatures such as the Crab and the Turtle (clan names, too). Rose Of Kali 16:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Dwayna vs. Grenth is still light vs. dark, which is analogous to good vs. evil. And who cares about Jades or Am Fah, anyway? They've never been more than roadside bandits with some side-quests attached. I'm expecting a Tengu costume and a Joko's Army costume at some point, but dunno what they'd come along with. Maybe Vabbian Noble and Emperor's Royal Guard or something. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 02:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Tengu is a separate species, I wouldn't really expect a costume for them. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 03:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "And who cares about Jades or Am Fah, anyway?"
 * I would say that Dwayna vs Grenth is more like sobriety vs joy. Not good vs evil. Grenth is not actually evil. He just want people to remember they are all gonna die, and that they should just live quiet lives and lawful lives until it's time to make their own coffins. That's not really bad, sometimes people are too noisy. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 11:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * By "quiet and lawful" you mean boring and dull? Hah! *trows a snowball in your face* XD And I said "light vs. dark, which is analogous to good vs. evil"

How exactly do you get this to start?
I've completed both Proph and GW:EN, but still jack all happens
 * ^^See? This is why I'm claws and fangs for a single navbox and separate pages just for these encounters and not the usual content of Krytan explorable areas. Wyn had it right, I think, still... [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 00:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm having a similar problem: i get the first encounter, then head to any of the others and they don't pop... Do I need to go to the Shining Blade Camp and get the April 15th dialogue to run through in order to get these to happen? If anyone knows, that would be helpful. It would also be nice if that person could also, perhaps, put a note in the encounters section? Or list their knowledge here so someone else can do it if they're too lazy? --[[Image:User_Timeoffire45_sig.jpg]]  Timeoffire45   rawr  18:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * They're random spawns, you have a chance of seeing the encounters. Just rezone a lot of times until you see the dialogue (I had the same problem). Reaper of Scythes ** User Reaper of ScythesJuggernaut1.png 18:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It hasn't really started yet so you can only see a couple of dialogs and kill some peacekeepers but the fun has yet to begin.  Sjacie  [[Image:User_Sjacie_signature.png‎|19px|User:Sjacie]] 17:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Huh
So even in a fantasy world, two people can't fall in love and spawn a legendary legacy without a ring and legal sanction.

Maybe Gwen should get a secretarial job at Inquest and buy a nice big mini-van. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

5 years too late
Royalists(Shining Blade) vs Reconquistas(White Mantle).
 * Many, many years too late, more accurately. Chaotic good rebel faction vs tyrannical ruling faction. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 23:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Requirements?
What are the requirements for accessing the content? Do you need a Prophecies character who has completed both the Prophecies and Eye of the North campaigns? Or is running a low level character who has not completed anything enough? Somewhere in the middle? (If so, where?) --Fcoulter 03:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Once the wiki finds its consensus on how to document the WiK, this will become clearer. Until then, as far as I can tell, you need to be on a character who has finished either Proph or EotN (could be from any continent), and travel through these maps. The dialogue may not spawn, so you may have to map in and out a few times. G R E E N E R  06:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought you needed to complete both. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 16:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have eotn, and I've been able to trigger some of the scenes so far. There might be restrictions further on, though. G R E E N E R  17:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have either available at the moment, so your word holds more weight than mine. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 20:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You do not need to complete both, just one or the other. If you are on a character that has not completed either, you will not see the new content.  It is not shared among the chars on your account.  The actual character must have completed Prophecies or EotN.  Even then, the encounters are random and you may not see one unless you rezone a few times.  But the new enemies in Watchtower Coast will be there regardless.  So if you're wondering how to verify if you've unlocked it or not, just go there and see if you see the Peacekeepers and White Mantle spawns.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 20:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * you are going to need an account with prophesies and probably eotn too, don't think you need to have finished either cause the peacekeepers are out there anyways but you'll see soon enough(i hope).  Sjacie  [[Image:User_Sjacie_signature.png‎|19px|User:Sjacie]] 17:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm having no trouble with the Shining Blade Camp dialogues on a Prophecies-only account, just watched Livia and Evennia walk off to get help from asuras and EV. Have yet to check out the other encounters. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 19:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In the end, you'll need to have beaten Zinn's Task and the EotN campaign for the quickest. Instead of the campaign you can also beat Prophecies and Wintersday Cheer. Zinn's Task I believe is manditory for the Trial of Zinn, which becomes mandatory for dialogue added recently, and either EotN or Wintersday Cheer is needed for Gwen/Thackeray dialogue, which has become mandatory for dialogue added recently as well. To get the Peacekeepers and the War itself, you need to have beaten Prophecies or Eye of the North. -- Konig / talk 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, was just about to say that I can't get the part with GOX. So, anything that's Prophecies-only and does not require encounters from EOTN is still available to Prophecies-only characters. I do get the random ally spawns of the SB recruits/Shadow+Carlotta/Snakebite. I also get Peacekeepers now that I've visited the SB camp. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 19:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Zinn's Task is not required to witness the Trial of Zinn. I've been able to see the trial without doing the quests. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 17:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Livia + Sceptre of Orr
OK so we saw her reaching for it in the final scene after completing EotN, so we know at some point she gets her hands on it. We know her reason for searching for it is to save her people, the Krytans, in their war against the White Mantle. Does this mean she already has her hands on it and is hiding it until it is time to unleash her secret weapon or is she going to find it some time during the war as a desperate attempt to turn the tide in battle? 58.106.43.167 17:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * From my understanding, (and this could be totally wrong, but I figured I'd try to help, anyway) the WiK takes place within a year or so before the events of EotN. In the second updated dialogue on the Shining Blade Camp page, you'll notice that they're discussing how the Asura could, potentially, help them. Personally, I read this as the idea that spawned Livia's trip to go help Gadd, thus setting this--again--somewhere before EotN. However, if that's the case, then the reasoning for possibly needing to complete EotN before one can see the WiK is lost on me.--[[Image:User_Timeoffire45_sig.jpg]]  Timeoffire45   rawr  16:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's set after eotn, Livia's dialogue confirms that.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 17:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, for what it is worth, what is shown in the cinematic after defeating The Great Destroyer in EotN is Livia reaching for the Sceptre of Orr but resisting temptation and declining to take hold of the sceptre. Why, is an as yet unanswered question? --  <font color="#000040">Bearz [[Image:User Bearz pawprint.png|19px| ]] 17:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been said in an interview that Livia did in fact take the Scepter of Orr, but didn't have it for long (the reason for that is unknown, stolen? Livia was killed? She put it in a "better" hiding place? Gave it to the Queen? We don't know). -- Konig / talk 19:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good info, Konig, could you please cite that interview for us? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 20:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If she has the scepter at all, why the hell can't she use it when we're in groups with her? I'd much prefer a half-dozen L24 grasping ghouls to a measly discord spam.  –Jette 21:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean titans. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe she tossed it aside because she couldn't figure out how to get something better than +1 regen?  24.197.253.243 21:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, interview. Secondly, @ Jette, the Scepter of Orr does not control the dead, that was Kilbron's lies. It might be able to control spirits (as such, Shock Phantoms that we see in THK, including its ending cinematic - and in turn, the Titans). But it doesn't create the spirits. It would be more like, instead of a MM, the Scepter of Orr allows one to be a spirit master, able to summon and control the spirits of the newly dead (which is different than the Ritualist, which calls spirits from the afterlife) and of course would be able to control ritualist and ranger spirits. But even besides all of that, Livia doesn't have the Scepter of Orr while she's with us. Most of the heroes leave "our group" after their campaign. Koss, Meloni, Jurah, Morgan, Livia, Pyre, Gwen, at least all leave our group after their campaign - Tahlkora, Goren, and Norgu travel together, but it is unknown if they travel with the "unnamed hero" that we play, same with any others which travel. Even M.O.X., which was "promised" to us, seems to return to Zinn after the the "Zinn's Task" quest. In short: Livia doesn't have the Scepter of Orr while with the player and when she got it is unknown. Considering she doesn't have it in the camp, she didn't get it during the War in Kryta, or at least got it and got rid of it already by the time we see her again a year or two after EN. -- Konig / talk 21:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And these kind of continuity goofs and misconceptions are why I refuse all GW-based commissions. –Jette 23:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Getting silly now.
Anyone else think this is getting old now? Where are the quests or stuff for us to actually do? 5th year has come and gone with nothing... Yes, I know were have this "Guild Wars and Beyond" thing with the War in Kryta but one can't help but get the distinct feeling that this is another Waiting Game thing, where they're still building the stuff now.... 203.173.144.150 20:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Linsey got sick and couldn't work for about half a week (if not longer) which pushed some of the releasing back a bit. I think the things we got today was meant to be given earlier this week. If you want to qq or rant at something, go yell at bacteria. -- Konig / talk 20:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oi, Konig, you are hurting the feelings of them bacteria. -- Arduin  [[Image:User_Arduin_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 20:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I've lost interest to the point of almost forgetting about this tbh. :/ First I was like "OMG there's new stuff and shit" but now it's like "meh, costumes and it's still being developed". --<font color="DarkSlateGray">Anorith <font color="DarkKhaki"> Talk 20:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * At least it's being released as it's developed, instead of the actual Waiting Game. People ask for new content and still whine when it's not what they want quite yet. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 21:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Konig remember no npa on bacteria.... - [[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 21:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No NPA is a double negative =P -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 22:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I never attacked bacteria, I just told the IP to attack them. Don't ban me! Q.Q -- Konig / talk 19:15, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So guild wars, a game that used to claim to have over a million player fanbase, is out of commision when one of their workers takes sick leave? Well fuck, dont get pregnant Linsey or they might have to shut down the servers. 68.93.98.218 19:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ive never been sick in my entire life. so I don't know how does it fell. But I doubt any illness being enough to stop working sitting in front of a screen. All you need is one eye, one finger and a functional brain linked to them. At least until they perfect those brain interfaces. Then all that would be needed is just the brain in a jar. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 21:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You should go get sick to realize it's not that simple. That may work in theory, but not in reality. -- Konig / talk 22:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Consider a skull-splitting migraine that makes you shut the blinds and turn off every noise-making device in the house, itchy teary eyes, ooze threatening to drip from your nose the moment you forget about it, cough interrupting your typing/reading/talking, fever keeping you under the blankets far away from your desk, taking meds that make you wanna sleep 25/7, and people side-stepping around you as to not catch it off you. Just a couple of those symptoms and I tell people to eff off when they want me to do stuff. Yeah, go do some multi-million audience update releasing/forum feedback reading/bug fixing with that. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 23:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, once I had a severe cavity. The dentist was astonished because that would hurt a lot to anyone. It seems that I have some kind of affection that makes hard for me to feel pain, I can feel it, but not very well. It may sound ok, but actually it's a problem. One day I suffered a sprain while jumping through a pedestrian crossing when the signal was turning red. After three days, I noticed I couldn't put my shoe on because of the inflammation. So I can't empathize with pain either. That's why I also think it's all in the mind. If you don't think you feel cold, you won't feel cold. That0s what I say people when they see me wearing just a T-shirt in winter. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 01:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Being unable to empathize leaves you little room to say how another person's situation will affect them. Considering well over a majority of their resources and workers are being used on GW2, the head of the team being unable to participate can seriously cripple the team. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 01:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Along with what Kyoshi said, the fact that you can't feel pain isn't so much a "mind over matter" thing, but rather an issue with your nervous system. -- Konig / talk 02:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I never said how Linsey's situation would affect her. I said that all that you need to do something on a computer in an eye, a finger and a functional brain. At least until we can do that 'brain in jars' thing. *sigh* Forget it... by sense of humor just seems to be too subtle... Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 03:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If that was an attempt at humor, I'm sorry to say it went right over my head. Then again, when a person insists on continuing a point like that, it's typically either someone trying to prolong a dead joke or someone who's actually serious. I assumed the second. --Kyoshi (Talk) [[File:User Kyoshi sig.png]] 03:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I broke every bone below my waist once when I was trying to get a nude photograph of a celebrity who by court order I am not permitted to name, but I didn't feel it until almost 4 hours later because I was on PCP. It would have been much worse if I'd have to run further than about 7 miles, but the cops gave up after I hid in the sewer bunker for a few weeks.  –Jette 04:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This is relevant in every way. 141.165.171.4 04:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I also tried to form my own cult once, but I got gypped by David Koresh when I had to cross the border into Mexico. The authorities were after me for soliciting PCP to an underage TV star, which would have been fine but my partner fired seven shots into a crowd of bystanders under the paranoid assumption that one of them was an informant.  Turned out he'd lost his mind after being kept in a sensory deprivation tank on acid for four hours while strobe lights flashed inside, so we had to put him down.  Eventually I got back, but by then it was too late: the Waco siege had begun, and my dreams of ascendance were once again foiled.  –Jette 04:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you certain you're not on PCP now? 141.165.171.4 04:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, officer. –Jette 04:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Your eccentricity makes my day. 141.165.171.4 05:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Small Bug in yesterday's (4/29) update
Inside the Ascalon Settlement there is an encounter, but no dialog to go with it. Going to work on a bug report in a bit, just wanted to make sure other people avoid the area till they correct scene.--97.101.227.97 20:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Sad it's stuck in Tyria...
I mean, there were Luxon and Kurzick settlements in Kryta at one point! Surely the White Mantle/Shining Blade knew! Taka Ragranok 16:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The settlements are no more and all that remains are 2 people who have been, more or less, forsaken by their own families as they "fell for the enemy." To be honest, it rather makes sense that the conflict stays in Kryta. It's Kryta's problem, not Cantha's or Elona's, and Elona has Joko to deal with, the Kurzicks and Luxons are at war, and who knows what Kisu is doing. -- Konig / talk 19:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Prolly Kisu is too busy counting the gold which he is harvesting, the same gold his succesor will use to defeat the Kurzicks and the Luxons =P --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 19:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He doesn't need gold. All that he needed was Shiro weakening those fools enough for the new Imperial Troops that joined the Imperial Army inspired by the Tyrian heroes. Once they are both defeated, all that's left is closing the borders so no more foreigners interfere again and maintain control. Long live the Empire! Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 21:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But it was said that Usoku used the empire's money to boost the military. -- Konig / talk 22:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Who votes we go kill kisu and cause a time fcuk? -- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 23:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If we can get Schwarzenegger to kill him, maybe we can get him to run Cantha afterward too. –Jette 00:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree wit Jette, Schwarzy is all we need in Cantha. --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 20:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We could get chuck norris to push Cantha to Tyria,couldent we? -- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:08, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * To get back to Taka's statement, though not about Luxon and Kurzick's formerly in Kryta... I would have loved to see a Nightfall & Factions Beyond. Which shows the downfall for the Sunspears, Vabbian & Kournan, Luxons and Kurzicks. And the victories for the Canthan Royalty/Elite and Palawa's undead march. Wouldn't that have rocked as well? I'm really going to miss both campaign's atmosphere... 77.164.17.245 05:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it is called "Guild Wars Beyond" and not "Tyria Beyond" so I guess they might have something planned for Cantha and Elona in the future. --<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">age [[image:user MageMontu sig.png| ]]<font color="#CC0000">M <font color="#330000">ontu 07:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Cantha and Elona are "reserved" to be future expansions in GW2, not included in the original release. I expect to see the "beyond" part for these continents much later than the current updates coming up. It might even be something like the BMP in GW2 before the release of those expansions. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]<font color="#000099">Rose Of Kali 09:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, nothing says about expansions going to Cantha or Elona in GW2 - that's pure speculation, we just know the initial release will only be in Tyria. Secondly, you don't need the expansions to be coming out to show the build up of events to things in GW2. If they intend to make either Cantha or Elona into an expansion for GW2, then for all we know, they already have a background past Usoku's and Joko's conquests done for them, and we can see the build up to said already-formed backgrounds. Even if they don't, there's still the build up to what keeps us from going to these places in the initial release (aside from Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik). -- Konig / talk 20:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The War in Kryta is about reinstating the Queen to Kryta. That's a civil matter, not an international incident.  Cantha and Elona should not be involved.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I may have imagined it, but don't the Factions "Manuscripts" mention a degree of diplomacy between Tyria and Cantha - or was that a historical note? --<font size="3" face="Joan"> Oiseau | User_Oiseau_Melandru.jpg 04:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not sad at all. <font color="#a12a18">Markus Clouser  [[Image:User_Markus_Clouser_signature_img.jpg|19px]] 16:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the only communication between the two (strictly by memory) is that done by the Lightbringers present in each continent. -- E lven C haos  [[Image:User Elven Chaos RiftEdit.jpg|19px|Elven's Talk Page]] 23:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the Dredge tunnel. No matter how many cataclysms you'll have, Dredge dig BIG tunnels that can be reopened easily after crumbling. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 16:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Getting a bit silly now... the other kind of silly
The only thing that worries me about War in Kryta is the fact that the most important advancement of plot so far in terms of GW2 is being treated like a non-serious, whimsical sort of thing. I have a rant about the Trial of Zinn elsewhere so I won't get into that.

But I'm starting to get annoyed with the center stage, the White Mantle. Inquisitor Bauer is comic relief, not to mention yet another shameless steal from some other media that Arena Net is fascinated with. This would be OK but he's a central character. The news reporter guy would be fine, but he's supposed to be reporting a serious conflict between the Blade and the Mantle, not a scene-by-scene overview of a slapstick comedy about Kryta.

I don't ever recall the White Mantle being such a comedy act. The lore surrounding them is fairly serious and you would expect that in the dire situations that are occurring, the story would remain serious and get progressively more so. They are tyrants struggling to maintain power against a rebel royalist faction. There is war breaking out. People are going to be dying, there are supposed to be tragedies and epic struggles. Instead we have Bauer and Lovisa prancing around and being cutely mean and evil like something out of an episode of Family Guy instead of being the friggin White Mantle. Remember when Hablion growled like something out of hell and chopped the heads off of like 6 innocent civilians at once?

And now Zinn and Blimm are going to waltz onto the scene and they will undoubtedly be dragging Linsey's love of "awesome" with them. I mean, it's Blimm for crying out loud. It is so painfully obvious how badly anet wanted to give love to whatever they're watching in their spare time instead of working on a decent character for a supposedly super-intelligent race of beings.

I can't wait to see the Zimm-o-Matic 9001 bop Inquisitor Isaiah on the head while he runs away shouting things like "Ow! Darned Asura! Pick on someone your own size!" Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 22:42, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you expect us to do about it? Backsword 22:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The entire plotline and setting of GW is laughable at best, so it's better for them to at least try to be amusing. MMO storylines are always shit, it's why I was so disappointed when they announced WoW.  –Jette 23:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That is one opinion. And Backsword, I would guess that you're supposed to think about it and contribute to the discussion but do whatever you want.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how you expect me to contribute. It's up to anet. We can't help you. Ask Anet if you want a change. Backsword 01:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This is just a discussion starter. Asking anet to do anything is kind of senseless seeing as how their lead designer called the Trial of Zinn "freaking awesome".  They clearly have their own ideas in their head and they're going to do whatever they want.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

requirements for specific encounters
I think, there may be specific requirements for specific encounters. I have seen only some of the encounters yet (maybe just not found the right spot) and was not able to see the encounter with Brother Mizar. But after I witness the Trial of Zinn and spoke to Brother Mizar there, I could trigger that encounter the next time I left ToA. I don't know if that was the requirement or just a coincidence, but maybe there is more than just be at the right spot. Balwin 08:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There are only 4 dialogues that have requirements to my knowledge. The ToA one doesn't have any. The ones that do are the one right outside Bergen (when Toriino is first seen) - you need to see the other one, just north of that spot; outside the Gates of Kryta, you need to see Dirk and Bauer's dialogue; Zinn and Blimm at the came, you need to see the trial; Evennia at the Eye, you need to go through all the Thackeray/Gwen dialogue including the collection thing. And of course the camp/thackeray dialogues are to be done in order. But that's all the requirements I've found. -- Konig / talk 19:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think you are right. I was not aware that the encounters spawn randomly. So at first I was just unlucky and it was just coincidence and no connection to the trial of Zinn. Balwin 12:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Random Ally Spawns
Which are the most useful? At first I though the three recruits because of the extra meat shields. Now I think it's Shadow and Carlotta because they are only one less person and Shadow's Broad Headed Arrow build can spread Dazed. 58.106.43.167 03:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This is going to be a simple matter of opinion for most folks, but I, too, prefer Shadow and Carlotta. They are both level 20 whereas the Recruits are all level 17 and both Shadow and Carlotta have full skill bars, where the Recruits each only have 4 skills.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 16:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

New Allies
Leaving ToA, Koro Sagewind joined my party. Level 20 Mesmer, no secondary. Observed skills: <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="black">Sardaukar  00:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Is it over
We did absolutely nothing, yet Salma somehow reclaimed the Throne!!!! please don't tell me that this is how the war in kryta campaign ends. If so, I will be extremely pissed off!!!MarioDX 09:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I guarantee you it's not over. 58.106.43.167 09:47, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet still, i find it weird that we had absolutely NO part in the retaking of LA... MarioDX 09:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Read better, it is stated that Salma could take the throne without any force. In my idea the white mantle is planning something evilish =P -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 09:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * might be. i still find it quite funny that Salma declared War on the mantle, yet it hasn't started yet... MarioDX 10:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, Salma just kind of walked into LA and plopped down on the throne. The Lionguard are on her side, and the Mantle had absolutely no posted guards around LA (I think closest outpost is D'Alessio), so there was no opposition. Until now it's all been subterfuge and striking for a hidden location (the camp), but with such a bold move there's no way it can be put off any long. My money's on a siege and then storming of Lion's Arch by mantle forces, similar to the waves of Mantle encountered in The Justiciar's End. --Valentein 11:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the white mantle let them just take Lions Arch and then close the front line. Now the white mantle can attack from all sides. Thereby, this is better for the mantle then the situation before, now they know where the enemy is. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 14:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It strikes me as very much like the Return of the Jedi. The Mantle want Salma to bring herself out into the open so that they can crush her. Looking through the wilderness for a camp that can move at any time just wasn't working. 72.70.188.9 20:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Salma just took the boat from Fisherman's Haven to Lion's Arch. Just like Evennia did when she needed to go to the Asura Gate near Lion's Arch. <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  21:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Bias
copy pasta from Rusty Blade talk page: Beware the vile tongue of this hoodlum Shining, or rather Rusty Blade, lest you be poisoned in the mind by their tetanus lies. Who was it that almost brought disaster upon all of Tyria? Who was it that abandoned you for their own hide? Who was it that allied with anybody, even a demon Lich, just to grab power for themselves? For what? They promise peace and prosperity, but their words are as empty as fossilized Hauler Turtles. We brought Tyria safety by sacrificing a few. We of the White Mantle would even sacrifice ourselves if necessary, for the good of all. I dare you, ask them Rusty Blades how they would they keep the Door of Komalie closed, and they would answer nothing because either they are ignorant or afraid that the truth that we were right all along would come out of the world. But fortunately, an army was finally able to seal the Door of Komalie, but I fear it's not a permanent seal, and in time it will open again. Hear us, if we could find a better way to close the Door of Komalie eternally, we would have done it, but as of now we are powerless. Life lived as a coward, a hedonist, a selfish vulture waiting for the others to die to take the spoils, is worth nothing. Oblation! Oblation! Our lives for Tyria! Oblation! I saw the truth! My life for Tyria! Oblation. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.54.92.58 (talk).