User talk:LordBiro/Archive/Icons

Topics in this archive
1 • Guild icon • Mesmer redesign 1 (AKA how not to draw a hand) • We need new icons! :) (regarding sacrifice icon) • Ranger icon redesign • Tangoing up the profession icons • Morale boost icon • A small wish (keeping the old icons for alternative use) • Small icons - progress • PanSola's signature • Mission-map icons • Tango profession icon drafts • Anomaly-icon • Paragon transparent icon • Images for mission progression templates • Icon for old features • UI Icons • Hero Skill Icon? • Under Construction Icon

Profession icons
Hey Biro, you may want to comment here. It's about your profession icons. --Tetris L 02:05, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * Thanks for the heads up, Tetris :) LordBiro 05:12, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Guild pages emblem
Hey, can you come up with something better than Image:Guild Emblems Circle.png for guild? This image doesn't look nice at small sizes. Thanks in advance. S 16:35, 14 February 2007 (PST)


 * That's an interesting design! Unfortunately I'm about to go to bed (it's 00:36 here now and I have to get up early) but I will try creating something tomorrow. LordBiro 16:36, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Mesmer redesign
Further to discussions at Guild Wars Wiki talk:Formatting/Profession colors I have produced a redesigned version of the Mesmer icon.

The fact that I am producing this does not necessarily mean that I am in favour of the replacement!

This is obviously not a finished product; because of some difficulties I decided that it would make more sense to post this here now than to wait and post something that looks more complete. Let me know what you think. LordBiro 13:18, 16 February 2007 (PST)


 * I'm at work and w/o access to Photoshop or the like, how does the hand look scaled down to the normal icon size and the small icon size? I'm afraid that it might not be recognizable at those sizes (but then I'm not really in favor of a redesign anyway).  --Rainith 14:04, 16 February 2007 (PST)


 * I have no idea how it looks at those sizes :) as I said, I'm having some difficulties at the moment, and I won't be able to manipulate them until tomorrow. LordBiro 16:53, 16 February 2007 (PST)


 * [[Image:Bex-MesHand.jpg|right|150px]]At the moment your hand looks painfully contorted. The official icon has a relaxed open palm design. I tried to do something like it but this sort of stuff isn't my forte so it's blurry and the lines are kind of jagged. Plus I forgot to fix that the eye isn't symmetrical. Painting I can do, but this, I'll leave to an expert. :P - B e X o R  07:37, 17 February 2007 (PST)


 * I did try it with an open hand first, but I didn't like it, because, like you, I had to put the eye in the palm in such an odd way. Is that based on your own hand, BeXoR? I modelled the mesmer hand on my own hand, and perhaps my hand is painfully contorted :P I'm not sure. I might upload a screenshot as an example ;) but that's not really the point.


 * Is it because the thumb bends too far back? I showed this to my girlfriend and she said "it looks like your hand, but not everyone's thumb does that..." to which I replied "I do not have weird hands!". Perhaps I was too defensive. LordBiro 10:44, 17 February 2007 (PST)


 * The bottom part is a bit to round on yours biro -FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.gif]] 10:48, 17 February 2007 (PST)
 * When I do that with my hand, it looks funny because the skin's a bit bunched up near the thumb. A more natural posture is to hold the thumb out at 45 degree from the index finger line (or 30 will do if you really need to bring that thumb in). &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 11:08, 17 February 2007 (PST)


 * Mine was mostly based on photo reference. I actually have extremely long fingers so my hand would have looked pretty strange. I think the most uncomfortable part about your design was the shortness of the thumb. It looks like it only has 1 joint. And the rounded bottom looks strange too. It kind of looks like a hand if it had been described to someone, but they had never actually seen one - that is, it has recognisable hand-features, but is anatomically incorrect. Personally I would prefer the symbol to resemble the official one more. I think the way the fingers are posed and the open palm effect in the original really conveys a sense of effortless domination and creepyness with the eye. - B e X o R  13:05, 17 February 2007 (PST)
 * Yours is a good hand shape, but the fingers are a bit short for me (I have long fingers, too). The slightly irregular pattern of the fingers is actually very natural (try just holding your hand up without thinking about it and the middle and ring fingers will be closer together than the others). &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 13:22, 17 February 2007 (PST)


 * "It kind of looks like a hand if it had been described to someone, but they had never actually seen one" lol, flattery will get you everywhere, BeXoR ;)


 * The stylisation of the outline was intentional; I wanted it to look like a simplified hand, hence the rounded bottom and the simple fingers, but if this doesn't look good then I'll change it (personally I rather liked it!). I might find some pictures of hands other than mine to use as a reference ;) LordBiro 15:20, 17 February 2007 (PST)

I didn't mean it as an offense. I've heard the phrase being used to describe the disconnection between the mind's eye and the page, and it seemed to fit here. Sorry! - B e X o R  15:24, 17 February 2007 (PST)


 * I didn't really take offence, I could see what you meant ;) LordBiro 10:55, 18 February 2007 (PST)
 * [[Image:Bex-MesHand2.jpg|right|150px]]The eye should be more centered in the hand, also I don't think openings are needed on the sides, looking at the in-game icon I can't tell if they are there and if they are it is hardly noticeable - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.gif]] 11:19, 18 February 2007 (PST)

We need new icons! :)
, for skill box. =) B LASTED T  21:15, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Ranger icon redesign
Since my Mesmer hand icon proposal was so positively received (lol) I thought I would upload the outline of the Ranger paw icon.

It's actually the same outline that I used for Gaile's paw icon. What do you think? LordBiro 10:31, 20 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Do you think you could mock up some icon examples where the borders aren't black, but a darker shade of the main colour? I think it would end the complaints that your icons are too "cartoony" and give a balance between the official designs and yours. - B e X o R  18:45, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I've been waiting for a more omplete version, but it seems like you want some input first. :) I like it. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 19:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


 * He showed the new designs over here. -Smurf [[Image:User_Smurf.png]] 19:18, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


 * To be honest, BeXoR, you might be aware of how much of a fan I am of the Tango style of icon design. When I started contributing to the GuildWiki aeons ago I wasn't aware of Tango. At this point most of the icons I produce are based heavily on the Tango style guidelines. On a somewhat unrelated note I recently redesigned the (rather messy) skill stat icons, i.e. Energy, Recharge, Activation, to use a Tango style.


 * Do you think the profession icons would suit this kind of appearance? LordBiro 19:35, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


 * That is a nice style. And yes, I think they probably would benefit from using that style. Heavy black borders are a thing of the past, I say. :P I think that the official icons are nice because they are less "cartoony", but I agree that they have a lot of detail in them that isn't really helpful when you want to instantly recognise something as a symbol. I was reconsidering this today when I was changing folder icons on my harddrive. I've just formatted so I was trying to pick icons that would be recognisable and clearly depict the folder contents. Unfortunately XP default icons aren't really that great. :P


 * Your shapes (apart from the Mesmer, Ranger, and Assassin which I still insist looks like a pink snowflake) are much more recognisable, but in my opinion their flaw is their border. If you were willing to redesign them, I believe it would definitely be something worth doing. I really like the new Ranger icon, I think it is so much better than the old one. It's a pity the Mesmer one hasn't turned out as well yet. - B e X o R  01:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I have made some progress on the mesmer front and I'll upload my work a bit later on. I'll also start working on a tango redesign of the profession icons, and I might upload my work on the skill stats icons. LordBiro 05:44, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Tangoing up the profession icons
Recent discussions on the profession icons have highlighted some problems with the profession icons, namely that they are a little too "cartoony" and not professional enough. Using the outlines from the original icons I've re-worked the profession icons to use the Tango icon guidelines. The outlines used include the current profession icons and the redesigned ranger and mesmer icons.



These are not complete. They need adjusting slightly, and I haven't decided whether or not they should have shadows and if so what kind, but I welcome any criticism or suggestion! LordBiro 12:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * One word, superb. Very bright and clear, really nice work. Any chance we can see them with the shadows? Vandal2k7 12:14, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Yes, but not just yet :P There are a few ways of doing shadows actually, based on the perspective of the icon. I could just do a drop shadow (i.e. a copy of the shape, made black, translucent, blurred, shifted down and to the right) or I could draw the shadow as though the icon were standing up. I will provide an example in a moment... LordBiro 12:18, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Mesmer icon looks better (currently browsing on IE6, QQ...) the edges are jaggy... I'd approve of the old icons if the mesmer icon were a little lighter in this "official" style. --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 12:21, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Here is an example of two different ways of adding shadows:


 * [[Image:Tango-profession-icon-shadow-compare.png]].


 * Jamie, which edges are jaggy? I'm not sure which mesmer icon you're referring to. I will upload a lighter version of the two mesmer icons later on. LordBiro 12:37, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Perhaps I'm looking too clsoe at the images, but these icons lack the smoothness that the current profession icons have. As you know my preference is towards the "official" style image (hand image) --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 12:43, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * They look fine to me (although I am on a CRT monitor so I don't know if that makes a difference, plus my eyes are old now :P ). As for the shadows, I prefer the full shadow to the "standing on a table" one (left). The full shadow is very slight though and barely noticable, only when you compare the two (one with and one without) can you actually notice it. Don't know if it would look better darker? Vandal2k7 13:16, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 * These own, make them "wiki-official"
 * I'm reserving my opinion for now. To help me decide, can we see a sample resized to a height of 20? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:56, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 * These are by far the best IMO - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 17:12, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm with Barek regarding holding opinion. From what I read, the issue was not the look, but the scalability. &mdash; Gares 17:16, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Barek, please bear in mind that this is just a draft! At this point I'm not discussing implementing them, just improving upon them :)


 * Here is a preview of how the Elementalist icon will look at various sizes:


 * [[Image:Tango-profession-icon-sizes.png]]


 * There is still some tweaking needed. The sizes are 48x48, 32x32, 22x22 and 16x16. I realise we probably want 20x20, but I'm just experimenting at this point :P LordBiro 18:04, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Biro - I can wait for the development to proceed. In all honesty, I like what I see so far - but scalability is an ongoing concern to me which is why I asked.  Although, as long as you're working on the icons, I hadn't thought about it until someone mentioned it in that other thread - but once they said it, I agree with them ... any thoughts on how to de-snowflake the assassin icon? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:56, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I like the icons too. I do notice after looking at them on an LCD here at home, that the 16x16 version looks bad on a CRT (at least it did on my one at work).  This may not be an issue as you say 20x20 is probably the size we're going for.  --Rainith 22:04, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm still waiting to see the last version of all of the images in the alrge and the 20x20 size. I'll comment after that. :) -- (gem / talk) 04:21, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Regarding the snowflakeness of the Assassin icon, I've added some highlights to the icon to make it look more like 3 blades. I don't know if this is enough. If I can't get it right then I can reduce the icon to use 2 daggers rather than 3.


 * Here's a pic of the Assassin icon on its own:


 * [[Image:Tango-profession-icon-assassin.png]]


 * Obviously this isn't a great demonstration of whether it would look like a snowflake at 20x20 :P But I'd still appreciate your feedback on the effect! LordBiro 08:14, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


 * To me, the shadowing has eliminated the snowflake effect in the larger sized version; but I'm unsure how visible that will be when reduced. Personally, I would not object to the use of two blades instead of three - although others may find it objectionable as the in-game version uses three blades.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 09:28, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


 * I have to say, I think they all look amazing. I am really stunned Biro. I do see what Jamie means though, on an LCD monitor you can really pick out each pixel on the edges, which makes it a bit blocky looking. Keep at it though, cause these look awesome compared to your old ones. :D - B e X o R  09:39, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Very distinctive, very fresh. I like! Fox 06:31, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I like these icons, and I prefer the ranger paw and mesmer hand to the leaf/feather and triangle. I'd love to see these with shadows and at 20x20 to see if there are any problems with scaling (although 16x16 looks fine, if small on my LCDs). Great work! --Indecision 07:42, 4 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Your work never ceases to amaze me. Even as a photoshopper, I'm not into vectory small-scale things. Still, great work. We need more distinction from the old wiki. I cannot decide between the ranger leaf and paw, though for the mesmer, I prefer the pyramid, at least in the icons' current state. The eye seems a bit too large for the hand, though, IIRC, the eye DOES intersect past the outline, aka not being surrounded by purple in the palm of the hand, but rather the edges meeting the end of the icon. Meh. Maybe I'm just used to the oldwiki style. Still, in general these are wonderful. About the jagged edges, I'm on a 1280x1024 LCD, and I cannot see the jagged edges THAT much. Of course, consider the old icons had thicker outlines and shadows to mask it, and for the most part these icons will be put to the same use as the old icons - in very tiny scenarios. [[Image:esig2.jpg]] Eldin 15:02, 15 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Thanks Eldin :) you're too kind! There are a couple of things that I still need to try with the mesmer icons. I'm not sure what you mean about the eye, are you recommending the eye in the hand should be wider? Or wider AND taller?


 * I've been thinking about the jagged edges and if the icons are too jagged I'm going to try exporting them at several times their size and using photoshop to shrink them down, as I think photoshop deals with anti-aliasing better than inkscape. LordBiro 15:10, 15 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Can you use the iris from the pyramid for the hand, with the same shading? - B e X  23:44, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

(Resetting indentation) Personally, I've never used inkscape, though Photoshop, to some extent, anti-aliases fairly well just from scaling. About the eye thing, I was trying to remember how the eye in the palm of the hand was in terms of length. I have here a shot of the mesmer "hand" logo when speaking to a profession changer. As you can see, the left and right edges of the eye extend all the way to the end of the hand itself. I was simply trying to remember whether the eye did as shown above, or was like this quick Photoshop mockup I made - in which the hand is surrounded on all sides by the palm's purple. The former is the in-game version. In other words, the eye seems to follow the style of the game's icons. Yet, I do think the eye should be scaled down a bit vertically. The eye should leave (an albeit small) group of pixels connecting the thumb to the top fingers. Currently your icons are larger than the in-game ones, and, as such, should in fact have MORE pixels connecting the thumb and fingers, yet it seems the in-game icon itself has more. Of course, the others may have different ideas on the size of the eye, and if we are to use the hand in the first place! Eldin 17:54, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Personally, I think that's all that is needed is for the wiki icons follow the general theme and concept of the in-game icons. In this case, I think the proposed wiki icon sufficiently matches the in-game concept and theme.  After that, it's all artistic preference - to me, comparing pixel width is meaningless, as long as the wiki version looks good (which, incidentally, I believe it looks great). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:43, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Need image plz
Made morale boost recharge symbol qualifier on my Blastedt/skillboxeditcopy. Need Image:Recharge Morale Boost.png. Blue like energy, upwards arrow like morale symbol? PLease, and thanks. B LASTED T 21:15, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * All skills are recharged with a morale boost, and none give a morale boost. So what's this qualifier for, if I may ask? --Dirigible 21:25, 11 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I don't know what you mean, BlastedT. LordBiro 04:42, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * It's for res sigs, and other recharge-only-on-MB-skills. I mean, an upwards arrow like in the Morale Boost Icon, and the same color as the existing energy icon, so it fits :) [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T  15:35, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Maybe we could put the recharge symbol in its background to clarify it..? [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T 15:36, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't think this is a good idea to add to quick references etc. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk)


 * lol, what exactly are you imagining, BlastedT? It looks like the morale boost icon, except it has a recharge icon in the background? That sounds like something quite messy :P


 * To be honest, if you can't get your point across in an image then there's no shame in not using an icon; rather use no icon than use one that is unclear. LordBiro 15:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * All skills would then need that icon, Blasted, they're all recharged on a morale boost. =\ --Dirigible 16:11, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * He said skills only recharged by morale. I think it could be a good idea if it isn't clearly written in the skill description. Like for celestial skills and res sigs and so on. - Anja Astor  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]]  (talk)  17:07, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * That sounds horribly inconsistent to me. In the symbolic system used both by the game and us here on the wiki, if a skill doesn't use adrenaline, we omit the adrenaline icon. If a skill doesn't use energy, we omit the energy icon. If a skill doesn't recharge, we omit the recharge icon. &larr; perfectly consistent. Now why would we add an icon that shows that there is no recharge icon? Because that's exactly what this "recharged only by Morale Boost" icon is, an icon that shows there is no recharge icon. If you want to add a note about it in each Celestial Skill's notes section, go for it (res sig already has it in its very description). But infoboxes are supposed to be about consistency, not about introducing random icons on arbitrary skills which put a question mark on the symbolic standard used on all other skills. "Why do some variables only have an icon when in On mode, while others have an icon both in On and Off mode?" &larr; to be avoided.--Dirigible 17:49, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, there is a difference with skills which rechage immediately and skills that only recharge after a morale boost, but neither of them has a recharge icon. I'm still against this though. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 18:03, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I meant something like [[Image:User Blastedt Morale.png]]. For the thing in the background, I meant maybe a faded recharge symbol for clarification.  (Also: I was asking for pretty, since paint don't do pretty :(  .  Also, it seems the community is against it :( [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T  20:46, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Faded like that [[Image:Monk-faded-icon.png]] or whatever it is. OK, the one you were using in that skillbox.  [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T  20:50, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

I feel that "recharges on morale boost" is something that will be difficult to convey through an icon. Looking at the icon that you produced above I have no idea what it means. LordBiro 03:25, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * It's supposed to be a morale boost icon symbol thingy. Isn't paint beautiful? [[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T  15:58, 13 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Considering you did it in paint it is very precise :) LordBiro 16:52, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

A small wish
I just have a small wish, and that is that you keep your "old" icons on the wiki. Could you do that? And if you do, would we be allowed to use them in our userspaces? :) I've grown to like them very much, but I understand we might need new ones for the wiki itself. - Anja Astor    (talk)  06:40, 17 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Sure :) I wasn't really planning on overwriting them or anything! LordBiro 07:00, 17 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Lovely! I was afraid you were going to remove them completely. :P - Anja Astor  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|Anja Astor]]  (talk)  07:07, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh! I was expecting them to be uploaded to replace the current ones so they would already be in place all over the wiki.  Did you instead plan to bot them in place when they are implemented with a new icon name or something different? --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  09:59, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I was expecting them to be overwritten too. It would save a lot of time and effort that way. - B e X  10:02, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I just realized that the old icons are kind of "chibi" versions of the new ones. Heh.  I can see the cute factor here for saving the old ones.  Perhaps changing the old ones to a different name would be easier and having a link to them on your user page or something for those that want to still use them? Ooo.... you could even start a LordBiro icon/image page with all your work on it.... :D --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  10:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT}


 * Well, it would make sense to upload over them. I presumed that replacing the image used in, etc. would be enough, but uploading over them would make more sense.


 * Basically, whatever option suits everyone the best is fine. I wouldn't be opposed to calling the old ones chibi icons ^_^ *v-sign* *big-grin* LordBiro 10:15, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * A small request, similar to the original: Can we use the profession-faded-large images (like the one pictured in the skillbox) in our userspaces? -Spot 11:55, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Any images that I've uploaded can be used for any purpose :) LordBiro 15:12, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Small icons - progress
I thought I would make this chart to show my progress, since I haven't done as much as I would have liked so far! The core professions are done to a good degree, but they need cleaning up. This mainly means cleaning up some of the edges in photoshop.

The other profession icons aren't done yet. At the small size the assassin icon still looks a bit snow-flake-like, so I might try reducing the number of blades to two. The Dervish and Paragon icons are a little cleaner than the current versions, so I'm hoping to fit them into 20x20 boxes. LordBiro 16:46, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The mesmer icon (as ALWAYS -_-) is subject to a ton of debate on this wiki. Other than that, the small versions are all progressing nicely. [[Image:esig2.jpg]] Eldin 21:28, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I actually think the Mesmer icon looks pretty good, but then my LCD is awesome. I really hope you don't have to change the Assassin icon to two blades. :/ These all look really good so far. :) - B e X  01:52, 17 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Perhaps the fingers can be spread open a little wider for the mes icon? -PanSola 07:31, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * With the forthcoming Mesmer buffs, maybe it should be changed to a hand flipping the bird :P [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 07:36, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I'll give it a go PanSola :) and lol Fox, I'm sure that would be funny, but I doubt it would go down well with ANet :P LordBiro 08:00, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Might I suggest that you try to make the necromancer icon's eyes a bit more squint-ish? I think (perhaps at this size) it looks as if the icon is really, really astonished about something. -- [[Image:Corrran.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 08:10, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * [[Image:User-lordbiro-necromg.png|left]]Is this better, CoRrRan? :) LordBiro 10:33, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Haha, that's just too funny! I love it! -- [[Image:Corrran.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 11:27, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

PanSola's signature
Your icons are released under GDFL and CC-BY-SA right? Ie I can upload a dupe of the mesmer hand icon both here and GuildWiki to be used for my signature right? -PanSola 07:36, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Yes, the icons are released under both licenses.


 * I discussed on GWW:SIGN how I was quite displeased with the use of profession icons for signatures on GuildWiki, the reason being that I associate an image with a person. The example I gave was that I can associate a little pink hexagon with Gem, or a shocked smiley D: with BeXoR, so when I see those icons on a page I know that they are involved in the discussion. If I see a monk icon in the discussion then I have no idea who that is since a million people use it :P


 * Of course, what you use the icons for is up to you, GWW:SIGN doesn't expressly forbid icons being used in this way, I just think it's better for you if you use a unique icon! LordBiro 07:52, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. Hmm... the icon is 20x20... so I gotta trim one pixel on each dimension first >_<".
 * Test: how does my new sig look like on a text-only browser? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:08, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure how you trimmed it, but it looks like the anti-aliasing is gone. I'll produce a version for you after I've eaten my lunch ;)


 * By the way, it might make sense to text-only readers to make the alt tag the word "hand", so talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png|hand]]) LordBiro 08:11, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, I originally was going for
 * so it'd actually read "(talk to the follower of Lyssa)", but then the original wikitext looks a bit long, so I decided to go without pipes at all (I really dislike sigs that are long in wikicode), which is why I picked "follower of Lyssa" as the file name, and have "(talk to the Image:follower of Lyssa.png)" as a compromise. I don't want to actually be obnoxious you know, only appearing like it q-: .  Hmm... maybe I should unlink the "talk to the" part of the sig, to further shorten it... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:21, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I wish I could bring back the D: but I don't know who made it (technically I probably shouldnt have it on gwiki but I'm too lazy to fix that). Maybe I'll have a go at recreating it. It just wouldnt be the same. :( D: - B e X  08:44, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I wish I could bring back the D: but I don't know who made it (technically I probably shouldnt have it on gwiki but I'm too lazy to fix that). Maybe I'll have a go at recreating it. It just wouldnt be the same. :( D: - B e X  08:44, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I was resizing the icon and it occurred to me that followers of lyssa might not use the mesmer symbol, but rather something similar: [[Image:User LordBiro lyssa.png]]. If it's of no use then no problem ;) LordBiro 10:50, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I guess the followers of Lyssa would have an avatar more depicting the duality of Lyssa. (But then again, who am I to judge how virtual 'religions' would operate...) :D -- [[Image:Corrran.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 11:30, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


 * That looks great, thanks (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 11:31, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Mission-map icons
Hi - I'm about to start work on improving the Mission Map article, to add some information about the icons present (res shrine, collector etc). Then I remembered the icon section on your userpage, and I thought I'd best check that you don't have any of them uploaded already :) I'd have a search round, but I've not really got the first clue where to look. Thanks in advance! AT (talk | contribs) 13:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi AT, no I've not uploaded any icons from the mission map, so I'm afraid you might have to upload them yourself ;) LordBiro 13:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, just wanted to make sure I wasn't repeating work. It'll give me something to do instead of coding :) Thanks for the quick response! AT (talk | contribs) 13:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Release #2
Added updated necromancer icon (slightly smaller eyes, better looking shading) and dervish icon. LordBiro 11:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * New Dervish one is SEXY! - B e X  11:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Mmm, I like how the necro's eyes are a bit more "squint-ish" now (as CoRrRan's also suggested above). Looks good to me! --Dirigible 11:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice. :) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 12:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Very pretty! Ale_Jrb  ( talk ) 12:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You modified the Necro one by increasing the green and inverting the 4 pixels in the eye-sockets, right? I like this solution better, since the skull doesn't look too surprised anymore. (And after all, AFAIK Soul Reaping is getting a change again soon.) -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 18:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you all like it so far :) Yeah, there was a big highlight on the first necro icon, I didn't intend for it to look like that, so I reduced that and lowered the upper border on the eyes. LordBiro 18:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Leaf > Paw-thingy *sob* :P Ale_Jrb  ( talk ) 18:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I so agree, but somehow GW uses a paw in-game... (/waves goodbye to leaf). -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 18:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Release #3
Just uploaded the latest ritualist and paragon icons. Please let me know what you think :) LordBiro 19:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * looks good to me, we're planning on replacing the others with these correct? - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 20:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't quite like the rit icon. It looks a bit stretched (height, not width). -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 20:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer the slightly greater height, the original one seems too, well, squished. [[Image:Aiiane-a.gif]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit more color on the Rt would be my preference. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 21:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow this is though: The new icons look very cool and stylish, so I would love to see them implemented ... but then, I have grown to the old ones as well, heh. --Xeeron 21:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * While I like how they look, I'm not too sure about the colors. I guess I'm used to the rich color in the old icons. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 01:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I, for one, adore the new icons, but I suppose that's to be expected, since we're both fans of the Tango guidelines. :) &mdash;Tanaric 05:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think they are both gorgeous Biro, keep up the good work! Blobfish approves! - B e X  06:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad there's a lot of positive responses so far! :) The colours being less pronounced is intentional, but I could probably reduce some of the highlighting to bring out the colours more. I'll have a play around tonight. I have to go to work now :) Bye! :D LordBiro 06:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Release #4
I've uploaded my current progress on the assassin icon. Only 2 blades :( I'm having trouble fitting 3 blades into the image without it looking like a snowflake :P

I haven't changed any of the #3 icons because I wasn't sure if there was any consensus as to what should be done! So I'll presume #3 is ok until people shout at me ;) LordBiro 16:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The new assassin icon is great, they are only using two daggers after all ;) Nah, but I like the more simple look, you can actually tell what it is now, even if they are small. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  16:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They are looking good if you ask me, can't wait for them to go live :) -- Lemming64 16:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I also support these going live. &mdash;Tanaric 18:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But I like the snowflake icon!!! :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 18:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Aarrgh! Why does it have to look so much better like that. :( - B e X  03:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like to see a "squished" version of the rit icon. ;P -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 05:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Go go gadget-"new profession small icons release"!!! -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 14:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They look very nice :) But how do they look with drop shadow? poke | talk 14:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I will produce a "squished" rit icon soon!


 * If you want a dropped shadow then I'd have to increase the size of the icons to something like 22x22 or more. Above 20 px and we'd probably alter the line size too much. Staying at 20px and making the icon smaller would lose detail. LordBiro 14:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Drop shadow"? A shadow made of drop? :) -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 14:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont know if you're just being sarcastic, but drop shadows give the effect that something is 3-d. I personally wouldn't want them for these icons. And I like the non-squished rit icon, it's nicely proportioned. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 15:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, "Drop shadow" :)
 * Imho they do look better with shadow. I resized them a bit and added a shadow to test it. The results can be seen here. poke | talk 15:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (Bex: I wouldn't dare being sarcastic, not my style. Just didn't know what it would do. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 15:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC))
 * I sometimes cant tell when someone is making a joke or is genuinely confused. :P I don't want to explain something that someone already knows as if I think they are stupid or anything. And poke, while I dislike the compression there from resizing, they don't look as bad as I imagined. :) - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 15:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for the confusion Bex.
 * Aren't the originals also WITH that drop shadow? Perhaps Biro can tell us why he choose to go dropless shadow for the new icons then. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 15:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The current icons are definitely with shadow. Because of this the new icons look faint.. With shadow they look in my opinion more clear and when Biro resizes them from his originals (which are probably bigger) then I don't think that there is any quality loss.. poke | talk 17:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I went without drop shadow because it's a bit of an overused effect. As is a stroke. I was trying to distance the new icons from the old icons.


 * The reason I'm so opposed to simply scaling the icons is because the outline on each icon is exactly 1 pixel thick and the inline (I don't know if that's a real word) is also 1 pixel thick. If you scale the image then it's like... 0.9 pixels thick :P


 * Saying that, I have to agree that the drop shadow doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. I guess it's up to you guys, but the icons won't look as sharp if they're shrunk. I'll knock up some more examples tonight. LordBiro 18:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

(ri) Wouldn't it be pretty easy for you to create multiple versions? - B e X   09:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think having multiple icons will be possible, but it doesn't really help conformity, since some wiki editors will like the no-drop shadow icons and others do like them, thus generating various pages with different icon-styles. I guess I don't really mind which way we'll go with the icons, they're good as they are now, but poke's example of them with shadows do looks good too. -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 11:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean for the wiki-templates (like w) we use the one style, but if a user specifically wanted a leaf or a drop shadow, then biro could produce a set for use in the user namespace. I mean, if he wants to. :P - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 11:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry I haven't done this yet! :D I've been a bit busy with work. LordBiro 21:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Release Squished
I uploaded a new version of the small rit icon that's flattened slightly. I personally prefer version #3, but let me know what you think :) LordBiro 12:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I much prefer non-squished! - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 13:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No to squishing! -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 16:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned before, I highly prefer #3. -- [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 16:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new one. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 19:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I thought you might, Gem :) It seems like there is more support for version #3 though. LordBiro 20:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, noticed that. It's not a win or die situation for me though, so it's ok if others like #3 more. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * /me votes for squished too. :( -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 07:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My vote would go to number 3 :) Ale_Jrb  ( talk ) 17:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * #3 poke | talk 18:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

anomaly-icon
Would it be possible for you to create a nifty looking icon that would symbolize an 'anomaly'? Image:Anomaly.png -- (CoRrRan / talk) 23:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I cant help but imagine Picard staring at some kind of swirling space phenomen =P --Xeeron 00:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I had the tune from Twilight Zone in my head when I wrote this. :) -- [[Image:User Corrran sig.png|CoRrRan]] (CoRrRan / talk) 00:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest a jigsaw puzzle piece crammed into a place where it obviously doesn't fit. Dunno how easy that is to convey with only a handful of pixels, though. &mdash;Tanaric 01:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest Mhenlo with a foot sticking out of his head. - B e X  03:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to think of an image that is universally understood to mean something unexpected. Unfortunately I can't think how I would make a picture representing the Spanish Inquisition... LordBiro 07:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * MisterPepe talk 07:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hehe, that first one is pretty good! LordBiro 07:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * =\ If you're just looking for something unexpected, try something like MisterPepe talk 07:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote for a jar of mustard. -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 08:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ugh. Please no fark memes, thank you. (edit - for the non-farkers, that's one of the pictures that's used in pretty much every single photoshop contest they host - for example, ) MisterPepe talk 08:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification Pepe, I had no idea where it came from, someone sent it to me ; ) -- Scourge  [[Image:User Scourge Spade.gif]] 08:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Paragon transparent icon
Hey there, I just have a comment here on the Image:Paragon-faded-large.png-icon. If you look at my sandbox, you can see that there's a strange white box showing up in the icon. Why is that? Where does it come from? Is it an alien message? :O:O ;) -- Helena 22:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right! This is an error with the image. I will upload a new version :) Thanks Helena! LordBiro 22:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Now the white box disappeared! :D Thanks a lot, and great job with the icons in general :) I love 'em! -- Helena 05:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Images for mission progression templates
I guess this is the best place to call for help on getting icons/images since everyone that could help probably watches this page anyway. :P

I created non-copyvio versions of the mission progression templates today, but bumped into a problem that I didn't expect. The templates on GWiki didn't have an option for 'only bonus completed' on the tyrian missions, although I have added that possibility to the templates here. Now I need the 'only bonus completed' images for Template:TyrianMissionProgression and Template:TyrianHardMissionProgression as I couldn't just copy the image from GWiki like I did with the others.

Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to upload the images. -- (gem / talk) 22:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bleh @ your template names! - B e X  04:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:MissionProgressionTyria2.png]] There's normal mode done! Although it seems a bit dark to me, so I may re-do it. :( AT (talk | contribs) 04:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 09:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyone going to make the last missing image? Pretty please *puppy eyes* -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 06:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:HardMissionProgressionTyria2.png]] Enjoy. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 11:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 15:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * bump. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 05:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Icon for old features
Hey Biro, any chance you could knock up one of your awesome icons for this template Old feature, I think it would be better to have a unique one instead of the warning one. Perhaps some kind of clock or something? I'm not really sure, you have the creative genuis after all! :) (I'll stop sucking up now!) -- Lemming64 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think "old feature" is a poor name. "Historic" or "legacy" would be better in my opinion, but that's not what you asked :P


 * There are a lot of suitable icons out there I think, so I don't think it makes sense to reinvent the wheel :) Something like or  &mdash; what do you think? LordBiro 22:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Some kind of antique clock or small grandfather clock would be perfect. Got anything like that kicking around Biro? --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 22:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, loads :P LordBiro 23:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Y'know.. I thought you would. a proper Lovejoy you are Biro ^^, hehe. --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 23:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Historic article name but I didn't name it ;) -- Lemming64 00:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Aren't those Tango ones under a different licence to this wiki? -- Lemming64 21:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They're under a CC BY-SA license. If this is incompatible then I apologise, I suggested them because they are acceptable on wikipedia! LordBiro 21:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I am by no means certain, I just read this tagged to most of the Tango icons on wikipedia.

'' This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.5 License. In short: you are free to share and make derivative works of the file under the conditions that you appropriately attribute it, and that you distribute it only under a license identical to this one. Official license''


 * -- Lemming64 21:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

UI Icons
Howdy Biro! I've been working on a reskin of the guildwars UI, and, seeing as I much prefer your profession icons, decided to incorporate them :D
 * [[Image:User AT New Icons.jpg|User AT New Icons.jpg]]

However, I'm now unsure whether this is actually allowed under whatever license the icons use :/ Thought I'd best make sure before uploading it for public consumption. -- AT (talk | contribs) 20:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey AT, those icons look a little blurry actually, not sure if that's just the image quality... The icons have been tweaked to look good on a white background, but I'd be happy to produce some more suitable ones if you'd like?


 * All my work is released under the GNU FDL or the GNU GPL, whichever you'd prefer.


 * It looks really cool btw :) LordBiro 21:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They look blur because their JPG format, the original is (i'm sure) way better ~ Kurd [[Image:Kurdsig.png]] 22:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's just the image quality (as Kurd so nicely said :p ), they look fairly sharp in-game. If you have the time tweak them to look good on a different background, that'd be amazing! They'd be on either of these colors:


 * Cheers for the help :D -- AT (talk | contribs) 22:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hero Skill Icon?
Hello. Now that Dynamic Page Listing has been installed, I was thinking about using an icon to let players see, on the Skill Quick Reference thingies, what skills are available through Hero Skill Trainers (just as GuildWiki does with the green exclamation point for skills available from quests). The reason is that since those skills are available for "free", I think it would be good to let the players know it with a quick glance. I have been trying to make an icon myself, but, well, let's just say I suck at GIMP : ( I was wondering if you could please make an icon for that, assuming you don't think it's a bad idea in the first place? Erasculio 01:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Erasculio, I'll give it some thought, but no ideas spring to mind! LordBiro 19:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Under Construction Icon
Just wondering what you could do about an icon for the template. The one I currently have on there is pretty bad. Thanks -- Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 18:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * How about this one? --Santax (talk · contribs) 18:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try it...I currently have a bulldozer on it. --[[Image:Rein_Of_Terror-sig.png|20px]] Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 18:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks great. Thanks --[[Image:Rein_Of_Terror-sig.png|20px]] Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 18:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good choice, Santax. What exactly is the template for? LordBiro 18:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Hanks Gotcha suggested it, and I thoght it wouldnt be a bad idea. --[[Image:Rein_Of_Terror-sig.png|20px]] Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 18:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just wondered where it was going to be used! LordBiro 18:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like a golden egg here when the size is reduced. :p--Bane of Worlds 19:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree ... even full size, to me, it takes a moment to register what the image is intended to show - when reduced, it's entirely lost and becomes a yellow blob ... looks like someone cooking an egg sunny-side-up to me. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's a lemon.. poke | talk 20:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The tango project provide properly tailored icons for 16x16, 22x22 and 32x32. or  would be more appropriate. That said, if you don't think the large icon is recognisable then I guess you won't think the small ones are either :) LordBiro 20:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely a lemon (pun somewhat intended). [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This icon is already used elsewhere on the wiki, you may find it helpful: [[Image:Under construction.png]] -- Lemming64 23:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried it, but when enlarged it is way to blurry. --[[Image:Rein_Of_Terror-sig.png|20px]] Rein Of Terror  (talk · contributions) 22:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Under construction.png|70px]]