Talk:Winds of Change/A1

Winds of Change.... Sounds like a turnaround Jade Wind.. We get to kill some hero guy and when he dies, he lets out a terrible cry, empowered by Melandru. This cry emanated peacefully over the lands of Cantha, and a moment later, everything was restored to its former glory; the Echovald Forest was turned into a real forest again, the seas of the Luxons became liquid - earning it's name, the Sea of Water.

Bit too cliché? Waar Kijk Je Naar 10:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably more leading towards the change of rulers, and the removing of non-human races from Canthan. A big story of canthan racism, maybe?  000.00.00.00  10:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Woot! Racist winds!-- Mark,  User Markisbeest sig.jpg]]   het Beest  11:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

99.98.165.154 20:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Read the wiki page, it explains the meaning of winds is Ministry of Purity, which is said to control the winds. My guess is that we will see another luxon/kurzick war, as the emperor and his son try to bring the provinces back under imperial control.99.98.165.154 20:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, the trees and water are supposed to change back, this part's given. It's a gradual process (could you imagine the Luxons if the water changed back instantly?) but we might see signs of it. The Emperor's son is supposed to want to close the borders, I don't know if he's even alive yet. He might be. I still stand by my guess that the incoming hero is a Tengu. Or perhaps a Naga. My other guess is that the hero is probably a mesmer, since that's the only core profession which doesn't have three heroes yet. Tashiro 16:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree on the part that it can't happen suddenly, Luxons will be surrounded by the sea, and Kurzs architecture of "stone" will fall under the weight of the structures once turned into wood again. And I'm not sure if it's too early to see the Emperor's son (I think it was later on the GW2 calendar) vanishing the races, but I would like to see a Tengu hero (we have Talon, but he is a henchie.), as we have Zhed, a hero os Elona's most important race after humans, we need a member of Cantha's equivalent to the Elonian Centaurs, but something tells me that we will recive a Kurz. hero because we currently have a Luxon hero in Xandra (go luxons!) But it would be really cool in order to make an inmune to disease spread party once you can add 7 heros: PC (Human) - Zhed (Centaur) - Ogden (Dwarf) - Vekk (Asura) - Jora (Norn) - Pyre (Charr) - MOX (golem) - new hero (Tengu). This party transforms disease into just poison and you won't need to wait because it spreaded through your team before engaging a hard combat. Lokheit 08:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The EN manual has explicitly stated that the change of the forest and sea are happening slowly. Also, regarding Usoku, he doesn't go on his little militant rampage for about 40-60 years. We'd probably just see him as a little kid. -- Konig / talk 10:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * @Lokheit: A party with 2 ele's, 1 monk, 2 warriors, 1 ranger and 1 dervish with 1 optional doesn't really sound like a good setup to me :P Waar Kijk Je Naar User_Waar_Kijk_Je_Naar_sig.png 06:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's been stated that both of the factions will be rubbed out by the Emperor's successor, not just sort of halted. So I'd expect to be partaking in quests not only to have the non-Humans pushed out, but also crush all Kurzick and Luxon forces who refuse to end their feud (though doing something like that almost undermines what you've done in the Factions story anyway). I'm interested to see how they handle this... and kind of look forward to killing those arrogant jerks. Ifm2181 11:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Usoku's military campaign doesn't happen for ~40-60 years in the game. We probably won't ever see it, in fact. And our characters would probably be put on the "defend against Usoku" side. -- Konig / talk 19:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for crushing my dreams. :(Ifm2181 23:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's what I do. -- Konig / talk 01:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * @Waar Kijk Je Naar In fact you're counting 2 warriors when it's only one, the "possible aditional hero" doesn't need to be a warrior (I didn't say he should Talon Silverwing, but another Tengu), so in fact you have 1 optional (player) and one undefined (Tengu). If the tengu is a ritualist, then he can be SoS, Minion Bomber or healer, and in case you are a melee, you can use MOX as D/N with an arcane orders and healing build like this one. Of course this is just pure speculation, nobody said the new hero was a tengu, I was just saying that you could transform disease into just poison with that party, and you could make it a balance party with the apropiate builds, wich is something that if ends up happening, will be worth of mention on the trivia section of disease. Lokheit 14:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

What binds the fabric together...
...when the raging, shifting winds of change keep ripping away?!! Anyone? -- Spigs 22:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't get that song. I'd say this is closer to the Scorpions' Wind of Change, which really echoes with Cantha eventually getting a fascist-like racial purge and closed off from the rest of the world like USSR once was &mdash; the song is the direct opposite of it, about breaking the Berlin Wall and opening up Eastern Europe and USSR to the rest of the world. I see irony here. [[Image:User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpg]]Rose Of Kali 21:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe we get to shuffle our hands back in to our libraries? Aro [[Image:User_Aro_Signature_Logo.gif]] 06:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Listening to iTunes nonstop as always the past couple of days, I noticed about three or four songs that had "winds of change" in the lyrics. Now I'm beginning to realize that this is just a very cliche saying and finding its "inspiration" if you will would be almost impossible without further information. -- Spigs 03:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just a common expression. It's also the title of a famous speech.--Zetta 12:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. This one isn't a reference to anything beyond that it fits the story of what's happening, and the ramifications that it has. But people that sit in the room are happy to continue to quote songs at me every time the name gets brought up. ^^; John Stumme 18:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * /whistle (Winds of Change - Scorpions) --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 18:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Or "Winds of Change" from Jefferson Starship. Good tune, actually. 208.66.245.115 17:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Source?
Sorry, could someone link where this information was released? (I&#39;m Squirrel 20:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC))
 * lots of places if i have time ill dig some links up but i know that there was a interview with john that talked about it on one of the fan sites. the podcast the blog a few sources...i know there is more but i am too lazy to dig them up. -[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The link on the GWB page: http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/11/11/costume-design-and-hints-of-whats-to-come-massivelys-intervie/ -- Konig / talk 00:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * does any1 know when it will be released? Getefix 09:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * no1 knows the exact date. --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 09:19, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * john keeps talking like it will be next year that we see it.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 11:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible, but bizzare, content
I think kuunavang will play a huge part in this. The new hero might be a saltspray dragon hatchling which will be incredibly small. Okay, mabye thats too out there. The new, "hero that you wouldn't expect" would probably be, an afflicted. Yeeee that sounds good. Oh! Or, or or, a celestial being. Yeah, these sound terrible but it would be pretty awesome. OH. and if the saltspray dragon is it, I HATE how theres only ONE, ONEEE human ele. all the others are frickin weird. (zhed shadowpoop and Vekk). Could take place in the big island south of the Shing Jea Arena, or the mountainous regions along the jade sea. Or in the big unexplorable region southeast of Unwaking waters. Could be kuunavang's nesting place, i dunno. --Eclipse143 03:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The hero was stated to be a part of Hearts of the North. It's unknown if a hero will be part of Winds of Change or not. -- Konig / talk 08:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And the hero has now been added. --Musha

02:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A Naga Hero would be awesome, or even a Warden might be alright. Oh and if the Jade Sea turns back into water, won't the Luxons pretty much drown? 208.66.245.138 21:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

This should not require WIK or Hearts of the North. The Krytan civil war has nothing to do with Cantha. Ramei Arashi 17:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Keiran(WiK/HotN) did meet Miku (someone from WoC) so it has something to do with eachother... --Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 17:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ill bet its the story behind miku. -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah and the Luxon/kurzick war being ended by the Canthans? (or was it Kisu's son who did that and killed all monsters in Cantha?)--Dragon7 cape emblem.png The Holy Dragons 18:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * *Banished, and yes.-- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 18:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * What I wonder is if we have Thackary and he and Miku have history as such, how will they interact together when we add them both to the same party situation (even though she is not a hero NPC's have been known to react to things in party = take a Black Moa out from the Sunspear Sanctuary and approach the hunters there and watch them run off scared). Rogueonion 04:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yah I also meant to mention throwing Gwen into that mix lol. Rogueonion 04:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

New Hero Speculation
Seems we already have 3 of everything, except Mesmers. I hardly even count Norgu there. How many people regularly use,,, Norgu? Yeah, thats what I thought. I would think Anet would see us getting three of everything, before we get a fourth something. 208.66.245.138 21:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If they keep adding heroes, its down to Assassin, Ritualist, and Mesmer to round it out to 3 of everything.
 * war - 3 - Koss, Goren, Jora
 * monk - 3 - Dunkoro, Tahlkora, Ogden
 * Derv - 3 - Melonni, Kahmu, MOX
 * Ran - 3 - Jin, Margrid, Pyre
 * Ele - 3 - Sousuke, Zhed, Vekk
 * Necro - 3 - Olias, Master, Livia
 * Sin - (2) - Zenmai, Anton
 * Mes - (2) - Norgu, Gwen
 * Para - 3 - Morgahn, Hayda, Keiran
 * Rit - (2) - Xandra, Razah
 * Guildwarsrunner 22:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I stand corrected in that. Thanks. 208.66.245.138 10:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I could've sworn "The New Hero!!" was Thackeray. -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 11:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was. As far as has been announced at least. Maybe there will be a new hero, but we have absolutely nothing but the lack of 3 heroes to make a perfect 30 to back it up. And considering the 7 hero update coming along, I don't think that'll hold much merit in the near future. -- Konig / talk 12:05, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I bet that the next hero is going to be the Assassin Miku, the main character of Winds of Change. Like, Keiran Thackeray was the hero from Hearts of the North and also the main character. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  15:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * my bet is that what ever the new hero is going to be its going to be awesome.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 16:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless she undergoes a change and comes out at the end as a rit or mesmer, no thanks.-- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   16:40, 9 January 2011.
 * Most definetley >sp?< would not want another assassin hero never use the ones I have and I never see anybody else using them either. Rogueonion 16:55, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Have we forgotten the upcoming improvements to melee hero AI? Or critical strikes + any weapon that doesn't rely on chains being spammed as fast as possible? Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 17:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah but I dont go with scythe or bow much and an assassin with a sword and shield? I cant see it. But yea you are right Manifold I see your point. Rogueonion 20:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, I did indeed forget about the melee AI change. :/ -- User Oneshot O.JPG ne shot.   23:17, 9 January 2011.
 * A CritBow that uses Disrupting Accuracy, Rapid Fire AND Broad Head Arrow makes for an excellent interrupter, so long as you remember to flag it so that it doesn't continue its usual futile attempt at shooting through obstructions. If you want some damage, just add Keen Arrow. As for CritScythes, at a reasonable level of Critical Strikes, Critical Eye works well with Radiant Scythe due to the energy regain. Wounding Strike and Malicious Strike is another good combination. Sin hybrids are greatly underestimated. Whether you personally have chosen not to use bows or scythes has nothing to do with the thought-provoking potential of assassins, both as heroes and players alike. I personally find the Paragon to be a much less beneficial addition to the roster, as any decent protection monk or weapon ritualist can perform the very same job only better. Paragons require player intelligence to utilize their skills and the skills of other professions effectively. Again, that's just my personal opinion based on my personal experience.Teddy Dan, yo. 13:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * @Teddy Dan In my 5 years of playing this game I have seen maybe 3 people use Assassin Heroes. All three of those people are/were always asking for help and refused to move stronger heroes in to replace their assassin heroes. But this is all besides the point I recognize that everyone wants to be a monk with ele skills, oh how many times I find that and I have to laugh because, well, quite honestly it doesn't work - not effectively. I personally have found assassin heroes to be lacking that is MY personal opinion. No offence. However, a Ranger is a better Ranger because its a Ranger(Expertise)My friend ran crit bow only on his sin and we had to stop every 2 minutes to let him regen his nrg pool. As for Dervish, well thats just about to change so I wonder how well Crit-Scythe will survive once the changes are made. I do not see them enhancing that particular build not with the current standard of updates. Just look at Mesmer and how they limited use of other profession skills with that update to get my point. So please before you plug certain builds take into account the fact that there are going to be changes specifically to Scythe (see Upcoming changes and features). Thanks for your time. Rogueonion 16:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * To be fair, every profession is "lacking". That's why there's more than one profession. You pick up with another hero where an assassin lacks. If a CritBow needs to stop to regain energy, they're either not using Critical Strikes or Critical Eye properly or you're attacking far too slowly. I also realize I made an error in my previous statement regarding Disrupting Accuracy and Rapid Fire. They're both preps and I'm ashamed I made such a ridiculous error. Disrupting Accuracy simply works very well with the Assassin primary attribute in maintaining pressure on casters, provided you also take advantage of an attack speed buff (Critical Agility for players). I'm not quite at the five year mark, my main being a Ranger itself of 57 months, but 4.9 years of experience proves different theories and opinions for everyone. I use Assassin heroes often, though not always. Sometimes I need to get from point A to point B via party haste and need to bring the profession whose AI can only seem to handle that one task (Paragon). Sometimes I need tanks, which Assassins are not and I would never claim them to be. Sometimes I need casters. Who knows what the next updates will bring? They may end up gimping just about every primary attribute, making it nigh impossible to hybridize at all. Every profession's hero AI is lacking. Another fine example is Elementalist heroes have trouble using Elemental Attunement and Master of Magic and those are their primary profession's skills. Of course heroes are going to face difficulty using skills foreign to their primary profession. The trick is to be good enough, as a player, to expect those flaws and work around them. I cannot name one hero that uses everything you put on its skill bar perfectly. That's just a fact of AI. Whether Assassins are more susceptible to that flaw is debatable and can only be (dis)proved by digging into the coding itself. Thanks for your reply.Teddy Dan, yo. 08:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just as they do not want wars to use spears to gain adrenaline, mesmers to FC ele spells, or monks to tank, (mind you we still find ways to do all of this). But the point is they threw a wrench into all of the common methods of doing these things even recently. Good for you you play a ranger, what I don't understand is with 25 nrg(base for sin) how you continually find nrg for.
 * So GZ you have to prep, cast all those crit strikes skills THEN wait around to cast your main attack. I guess it doesn't make much sense to me? Are you running full radiant and attunements, Because quite honestly seems to me you ran out of energy once you cast all those other skills to prep up to attack. So let me recap for you, Disrupting accuracy = 5 nrg, way of the master = 5 nrg, crit eye = 5 nrg BHA = 15 nrg thats 30. base 25? How does that work? That was only half your build. What about all the OTHER skills you are using without energy? In reference to your "too slow" attacks, it seems to me that after you prep you still have to wait to regen nrg. So I am sorry in my opinion it's not the best build, especially not for heroes - which AI you agree is lacking. Thanks for making my point for me. Rogueonion 16:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You get 4 energy back with most of your hits, rogue. If you use barrage (as most crit bows do) energy isn't an issue. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 16:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No yea I know that and accounted for it but this guy says BHA not barrage. Rogueonion 19:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you forget that you're going to be regaining at least some energy between the time you use your first skill and the time you actually use BHA? Not to mention there are these things called Runes of Attunement, a +5 energy bow mod called "I have the power!" and even Radiant Insignias if you choose energy over armor. BHA has a lengthy recharge, for a bow attack skill. You're not going to be spamming it. Getting 4 energy back directly after it hits your target sets you up for a lower energy skill like Keen Arrow, or the no-energy Poison Tip Signet if you choose to go that route instead. Also, CritBow interrupters are not supposed to be spamming attack skills, anyway. If you use Keen Arrow at all, it should really only be against any melee that's still standing after you take out the casters, or to deal a finishing blow to any casters who can't seem to let go. Disrupting Accuracy triggers on successful critical hits, those hits do not have to be from skills. I also have an Assassin character that I switch between CritBow and CritScythe. I also experiment with other weapons and their corresponding skills. If anybody is having trouble maintaining energy, defense or even purpose then I'm open to discussion. Simply create a section on the discussion section of my user page or catch me online in the game @ Little War Machine (I chose the least difficult name to remember. It is not my main.) Or, heck, I'll even supply one of my e-mails.| dans_personal@yahoo.com | I enjoy discussing builds, especially for professions I enjoy playing. I currently play a Ranger, Ritualist, Assassin, Elementalist, Dervish, Warrior and occasionally Necromancer. Once I have everything I need to turn my PvE Elementalist into my PvP Elementalist, I'll be deleting the PvP and creating a Paragon. The one profession I wouldn't dare argue about is the Monk. I've never played one long enough to know enough about them to have anything to add to any discussion worth considering (QQ). I do find that the Assassin as both a player and a hero is underestimated mainly because the average individual gives up too soon when attempting to balance their builds. It is possible that I may be doing the very same thing to the Paragon. I find the Assassin to be a highly imaginative profession due to the melee flexibility of its primary attribute, much like the Mesmer used to be for casters. I do expect ArenaNet to modify the Assassin primary attribute in much the same way, but we can still make the most of them until then. Back on topic, I find a third Assassin hero would benefit me personally far more than the third Paragon. By no means do I feel the Assassin is the pinnacle of perfection. I find a third Ritualist would benefit me even more so than a third Assassin. I'm iffy about a third Mesmer. Thank you for your thoughts.Teddy Dan, yo. 05:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL you win just for sheer exhaustive text. I gave up reading it when you asked me if I knew what an attunement was read above I mentioned it before you. Have a nice day. You still did not sell running that on a hero I have tried it it doesn't work AI for sins JUST sucks. Rogueonion 06:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The way you were going on in your own rant, I assumed you'd forgotten. If you'd read my response through, you'd have realized I did sell running it on a hero. I have tried it and it works. AI for sins is fine for any decent player. Maybe you JUST suck. Good job posting your oh so logical "Well, you're just stupid." rebuttal. Bring a logical argument to the discussion or keep your opinions to yourself, thanks.[/discussion]Teddy Dan, yo. 08:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. Yea thats it. I suck because I disagree with you thats... adult. Rogueonion 14:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That was not the implication. Lrn2read. Teddy Dan, yo. 20:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But you seem to have missed MY point. You FAILED to convince ME that YOUR way is the right way. It isn't, at least not for me. So just because I CHOOSE to NOT follow YOUR way YOU think that I am somehow fail. Everything will be ok NOW take a deep breath. MY way is JUST as good if not BETTER than YOUR way. so get over yourself k? Rogueonion 21:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, Capslock. I honestly don't care about your personal opinions. I was explaining to those whom you may be misleading that you may be incorrect. Or, at the very least, exaggerative. There is no way to determine whose "way" is better, unless we PvP with impartial witnesses. Of course, seeing as the subject would be the effectiveness of Assassin heroes, I'm sure you'd simply bring something that could easily shut down melee and enchantments. It's what I would do if I knew precisely what my opponent was bringing to the ring. In case you haven't noticed, I haven't boasted any superiority on my part at all. What exactly about myself should I be getting over? If you have something to add, please direct yourself to my talk page. Unless it concerns the subject of this section, it simply does not belong here. Some of my posts may seem contradictory to that sentiment, but I'm saying it now. One of us has to. Teddy Dan, yo. 21:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

As mentioned on my hero suggestion page "Even number of hero professions, please.", I'd like to see more ironic twists in what each new hero is going to become. Any interesting ideas in the crowd? Any ironic, funny, dramatic, surprising stories you may wish to see unfold? Teddy Dan, yo. 19:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * i think the next hero is going to be very exciting and well worth the wait.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 00:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The new hero is probably going to be the ever unimaginativeMiku. ϺЄЄ☺ 12:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * i think your right, since the update of 7 heroes i think we might suspectMiku as the new hero. User:Cronospere the holy 12:33, 12 March 2011 (GMT+1)
 * lol people care about this still i mean really-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 11:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The difference is, you have to pay to even get mercenaries. If other heroes are added, unless ANet pulls a fast one, they will be available based on content we have already paid for. Guildwarsrunner 22:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Before they add more heroes they should make the statues of them for the HOM --FIRST--. Guild Wars 2 could be out before we can add Keiran to the HOM. Ramei Arashi 06:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * They've already capped the points one can earn through that monument. Are you suggesting adding Keiran just to add Keiran? If so, that's legitimate. If you're asking for any benefit beyond that then it's too late now unless they decide to raise the HoM reward cap beyond 50. They haven't even released the rewards for 31-50, yet, so it's highly unlikely. Teddy Dan, yo. 10:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was stated there won't be 31-50 rewards --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 10:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * @THD you are correct it has also been stated that keiran will be added to the hom at some point. my feeling is that he will just be a extra hero that you can have. like how there are more then enough titles and weapon and armor sets, then there are points that are rewarded. and my assumption is that it is the same for future heroes that they add to the game.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 10:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel the same and your probaby right about the new heroes --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 10:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Geez, Zes, wipe the blade when you're done. >.> (jk XD) Teddy Dan, yo. 10:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Resetting indent. They have 2 alternative armor sets for Keiran but no statues yet. I forgot about the HOM calculator actually so I wasn't thinking of any points, but yes they'd need to add Keiran and any other new heroes if any, just to be complete even if no extra points. Ramei Arashi 14:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Prophecies and Factions do not have campaign specific heroes, wouldn't thye ned to add that hero control quest again or some form...not like ts complex but still i makes more logical sence. --Smithy-Star [[File:User Smithyben sig icon.png]] 19:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it should be noted that now we only have one oficial Ritualist hero, with a +1 to the number of heros of every profession because Razzah is now the Ditto of heroes, so this campaign would be perfect to add a Ritualist hero beige the ritualist from Cantha. I would also love to see this hero being a Tengu withh all the Tengu plight talked. Maybe we even get more than one hero, because Miku is receiving a LOT of hype (costume brawl before even appearing for the first time, now a gold everlating tonic, she is probably going to be a hero too). Lokheit 21:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Nerdraeg much?
This page is not for arguing the efficiency of one profession over another, regardless of the acting intelligence that controls it. What works for one player may not work for another and vice versa. If it doesn't work for you, it does not necessarily suck for all. That is your personal opinion, unless you can provide credible proof suggesting otherwise. It is also off-topic, especially so for the section directly above. That section's subject is speculating on a potential new hero, not arguing over one's inability to manage one's heroes. QQ somewhere else.Teddy Dan, yo. 08:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Coming from the one who is arguing, oh the irony 195.240.213.35 15:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this guy even one of the big wigs? LOL if so he is breaking Big Wig Rules. I gotta find the post somewheres. So I can report it.Rogueonion 15:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Coming from THE ONE who is arguing, oh the irony." One? Really? So, I was arguing with myself? No, really, it makes perfect sense. The other guy must've been arguing with himself too, since I must've been arguing with myself and I could've sworn he was responding to my posts. Confused? Well, let's figure this one out, you and I.[/sarcasm] 9_9 Teddy Dan, yo. 20:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Games of semantics.... But you are clearly not the kind of person who is going to back down and say "Well yea, I shouldn't have told people not to argue when I myself am taking part in the argument, most certainly not when I am doing it in a condescending fashion". Have fun trying to score that troal of yours while nobody is going to be here to care. Good day sir 195.240.213.35 20:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the well-wishes. I'll be sure to consider them fondly. Teddy Dan, yo. 21:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Get a room ;-) Justice 10:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

That was amusing Morphy 10:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I try. :D Teddy Dan, yo. 11:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

it's moust likely the new hero to be a sin but not just any but Miku because the as in WiKthe story ended whyt Takeray and the we got hem as a hero in heart of the north it likely that miku is our next one plus if she is haulf as help as in heart of the noth we r in for a fast batle
 * ....What? -- Magamdy 13:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So Google translator either fails or someone needs to go back to middle school :P ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.png Talk 17:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My money's on middle school. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 17:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or! Or! Or! Stupid trolls... ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.png Talk 17:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To translate: The ip thinks that there will be a new assassin hero, specifically Miku, because Keiran played a part and disappeared at the end of the War in Kryta content; likewise, Miku plays a part and "disappears" at the end of HotN. It's the worst reasoning ever, in short.  Konig / talk 18:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Canthan New Year
Do you think there will be events in the Canthan New Year which will tie into Winds of Change? Tashiro
 * Not really.It is supposed to be connected with stories of Kurzicks & Luxons and their fall to Canthan Empire, also about all non-humans in Cantha... . Smells like "The Last Samurai - Tengu version ".--86.111.99.139 19:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, Mister IP, that happens decades into the future of GW. That's not the plot of Winds of Change. -- Konig / talk 21:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

so what's the requirement?
The article is confusing. "First it says: Winds of Change is the third chapter of Guild Wars Beyond and will be linked into the story of the game by the Hearts of the North content" Then it says: "Beating the Factions campaign will be the only requirement to begin Winds of Change." So which is it, need to have done Hearts of the North or just beat Factions? Or is it both? Ramei Arashi 07:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * we don't know what the requirement is going to be that is a assumption.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 08:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this is simply speculation, but I believe it is safe to assume that, since Miku is going to be a key character in Winds of Change, Hearts of the North will be required. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 12:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was confirmed by Stumme that the one and only requirement will be completing Factions. This is done in order to not prevent people from being able to participate in WoC. It's also linked to HotN, not necessarily a continuation like how HotN was to WiK. It's like how Nightfall is linked to Prophecies, and HotN is like how the Titan Quests are linked to Hell's Precipice. -- Konig / talk 14:06, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * How is it linked to HotN if you don't have to do HotN? Ramei Arashi 15:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's linked story/lore wise. So in terms of story there is a connection, but you don't need it to be able to play through it.Snowstone 18:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It makes more sense if you do HotN then WoC, in the same sense that Gate of Madness and the various Realm of Torment quests make more sense if you do Prophecies and Factions before Nightfall. You don't have to, but in lore one happens before the other no matter what and it'll make more sense to the players if doing the things in that order. -- Konig / talk 21:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

So, this will mean someone with Factions only will [possibly] be able to get themselves [at least one] Hero? That would leave only the original Prophecies, the very first game, as the only chapter that doesn't get a Hero(es)?
 * Nothing official has been stated that there will be a hero in Winds of Change. So not necessarily. -- Konig / talk 01:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So I don't have to rush my 4 Propehcies characters who did WIK and HotN through Factions, I can just do Winds of Change on my Rit, Sin and Factions warrior who already fished Factions. Good. Ramei Arashi 03:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Purity?
What is this? Have we heard of this before now? --Musha 16:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC) G R E E N E R 19:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, and considering it says "the origins of the Ministry of Purity" it seems to be new in the time of WoC. -- Konig / talk 19:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. If it has its origins in the time of WoC then perhaps it appears in one of the books or has been mentioned in one of the numerous articles on GW2. Can anybody verify? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 19:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We only know what that ministry may expand to, from gw2:Timeline "1127 AE, Emperor Usoku defeats the Kurzicks and the Luxons, unifies Cantha and begins purging non-humans and political enemies."
 * I hope I get to side with the tengu not the empire. Ramei Arashi 04:43, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * What exactly is this? No information yet? -  Lucian [[Image:User_Lucian.png|16px|link=User talk:Lucian Shadowborn]]  5:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

There has been no mention of it in either of the books. Sounds like a ministry of "racial" purity. Rose Of Kali 17:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats what I thought as well.. guess we'll find out. -  Lucian [[Image:User_Lucian.png|16px|link=User talk:Lucian Shadowborn]]  5:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Go go nazi Cantha!--83.19.156.226 14:47, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, they're just mimicking the Japanese Tokugawa shogunate where Japan exiled or killed all foreigners and then closed their doors to all international relations. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 21:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * China also had a period of exclusion policy if I remember correctly. If it was as lenghty as Japans, not sure tho. 193.215.199.34 10:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

So... Bascially old England Cantha style. Nice. --Mattfisher

Is it connected with Minister Wona?
 * no Miniter Wona was the Minister of War who wanted to start a war between Tengu's and the Humans... --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 11:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * YAY WW3 ! Science vs Magic !... oh wait 78.35.146.251 15:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Tengu's!
yay! except Talon .. >=( I hate that bastard! -- The Holy Dragons 20:19, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Aww, I like Talon, he's my favorite warrior. I just hope we don't have to fight the tengu, I love those birdmen, but with Cantha being a strictly human continent, I fear it may not be so.174.100.25.69 02:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC) 99.98.165.154 20:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)How about this story to get some tengu in there? The ministry of purity is created to try to cleanse cantha of other races.

The tengu get attacked, along with all other nonhuman races. You help to defend the tengu, along with miku. 99.98.165.154 20:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cantha's not a "strictly human continent" for another 50 years post GW1. --  Konig / talk 03:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't think that's true. Just what do you think Ministry of Purity will be about? Ramei Arashi 05:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Usoku isn't around yet, nothing says purity is being used in the wrong sense. Maybe it's a ministry of monks who take care of the sick and poor. :P -- Konig / talk 05:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the laugh. Nothing good can come from a Ministry of Purity. Ramei Arashi 06:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

sigh
Since this is taking too long, maybe a little music will speed Anet up. This should be the theme music for Winds of Change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ MarioDX 09:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * +666 --User The Holy Dragons sig.png The Holy Dragons 10:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not "taking too long" - there are other things that are to be released prior to this (atm, to our knowledge, just Embark Beach's update). They just announced it very early. -- Konig / talk 19:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea but it's still a nice song... MarioDX 16:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh all you young whippersnappers. http://tinyurl.com/49dl59n Oldskool 208.66.245.115 17:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

New Weapons and Such
Any rumors as to possible new weaps or anything of that nature for WoC? If they do add new weaps, it sure would be nice if they'd do something that shows they care more than just about Warriors, Rangers, Sins, Dervs and Paras. So far every end-game and elite weap has been something cool for those professions, and "Choose from all these generic bleh staffs, wands & off-hands that are exactly the same 3 skins for all casters" (aka everyone else). I mean really, Exalted Aegis > Straw Effigy.. Oppressor's Scythe > Care Bear Wand/My Little Pony Horn :( 208.66.245.115 01:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. I kinda like my oppressor's wand/offhand they are kinda neat. there are tons of variety for casters just go look at the weapons list. I mean, consider, Firebrand. There is a super neat staff for a caster to have. 108.75.73.62 18:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, I was referring specifically to there being a generic wand/staff/offhand for casters, no matter what their profession or specialty, in the end game greens from the campaigns, and the gold weaps that are displayable in the HoM. And, to mention that the skins for most all of these, are pretty bleh compared to whats offered for the physical classes. I mean the Care Bear Oppressor Scepter might fit someone with gold/bright yellow armor and the burger king hat from Gunner's but for most, and even for most Heroes, mmm nassomutch. I'm just saying it would be nice not to get cross-profession generics, and to maybe get some cooler skins. Agree or disagree as is your personal preference. 208.66.245.115 09:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Theres 11 weapon skins as is. You want them to make another 15 weapon skins just cause there wasnt something you liked? Not every set will have something you like. Yeah straw focus sucked, and oppressor horn too. Oppressor staff > sword & axe. But tossing opinions here isnt really all that useful. Justice 19:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Because trying to put 11 weapons of each set on HoM wasn't hard enough... Anyway I like the opressor staff a lot, and I don't need 15 new skins when I can put destroyer, tormented and oppressor staff on my heros (plus bonus mission pack staves and probably WoC staff). 79.145.223.218 23:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, its not all about 'can' in this game. Its about eye-candy, to keep people interested and going for the new stuff. That can make the difference between people maybe taking one or two characters through new content, or working all of their characters through it. Sure, max stats are max stats, just like max armor is max armor, regardless of any particular skin. Aesthetics are obviously more important to some than others, but I'd say there are relatively few people who truly care nothing at all about how their characters & gear look. 208.66.242.162 05:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * if there are new weapons, i hope they'll have a chinese dragon theme to them... having a shield like Shendu would be amazing XD Getefix 16:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)