Talk:Canthan New Year 2008

Canthan New Year
Hi Gaile, I don't know if you have already stated this or not, but will this event be returning in Feb, I am looking forward to seeing the Celestial Rat! -- Lemming 18:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * nevermind, I found the answer Gaile/Frog Talk/20080101, man I can be blind sometimes! -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 19:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If there is a Canthan New Year I hope there's going to be a contest and a new mini pet for the event! -thumbs up- :D --Adiana 20:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Adiana
 * I very much hope there's a Canthan New Year. Even if there's not a new mask, my wife will cry if she doesn't get her mini-Rat pet! --[[Image:User mrsmiles tinysmile.png| ]] MrSmiles 05:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

As it says it is not sure there will be a Canthan new year. But i there a reason that it is unsure and/or we don't get a canthan new year. It still eludes me that the rest of the continents like Tyria and Elona get there share of stuff. Just a question is Cantha not worthy of some festivities. Cult Mephisto
 * I think that there should be a Canthan New Year Festival this year. I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be. Cantha doesn't get as many events so to make it fair, I don't see why they would just stop doing this festival now. [[Image:User_Foxysheri_sig.png]] Foxysheri
 * The way I think I can answer this is, "New Years comes but once a year, but it does come once a year." ;) I'd say that probability of our celebrating the Canthan New Year is close to 100%. Ooooh, Dragon Nest, here I come! :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, was hoping there would be one as do like collecting hats. Also events good way to take a break from normal gameplay, especially if been grinding for titles etc. Hopefully be lots of sugary drops as well "hint hint" ^-^ :-).Do you know if there is going to be anything new for this year? don't want to know what it is, as like surprises:-)--Dan Mocha 14:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Nice! If you give a minipet again, please use the Jahai rat skin! It's much cuter than the Albino rat one ;P. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 17:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hang on guys, im confused. Is there really gonna be a Canthan New Year? If so, why is there no info on the site about it? I hope there is a Canthan New Year. --Burning Freebies 16:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Anet's gotten into the habit of not telling us stuff that's going on. Gaile's done everything but say "Yes, there's going to be one." So, more than likely, there's a new year in the works. And considering that last years followed the Chinese New Year, this one more than likely will as well. That would place it next weekend. Given that, I expect an official announcement of the new year festivities on Monday or Tuesday.--Pyron Sy 18:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Last Canthan new year was so fun, I think i've come to the conclusion that it is was indeed my favorite Festival to date, Anet did a really good job with it! Well done guys! I hope you've put just as much effort in this year! :D -- Alien [[Image:User Alien Sig.png]] 19:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Pyron Sy, the Chinese New Year is on Thursday 7th February, not on the weekend. However, its great to have the festival. Im planning to make a video on it, so watch youtube!
 * From what I've read, some cultures actually celebrate the Lunar or Chinese New Year for up to 15 days after the actual New Year day. So a weekend event would not be out of the question, and would not break with tradition, either. :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

And as you can tell with [today's announcement], there will indeed be a Canthan New Year Festival this weekend, from Noon on February 8 through Noon on February 11 (Pacific times). There are some fun and interesting changes as well as traditional fun in store. See you there! :) -- Gaile 04:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Canthan New Year (2)
Chinese New year (Year of the Rat) is coming up, week on thursday (Feb 7th). Will Canthan New Year also be returning? --Just One More Thing 22:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please look up the page: User_talk:Gaile_Gray. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Kewl thnx Ms Gray --Just One More Thing 23:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also the .dat file research thats been going on recently heavily suggests that the event has been organised for each sequential year, so hopefully mini-rat FTW! Although if you do get a mini pet corresponding to the year, i so wish it was the year of the dragon instead. mini dragon > mini rat! -- Salome 00:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quote from Canthan New Year 2008: "And watch those Lunar Fortunes closely. Your immediate future just might include a miniature Celestial Rat in your pack."
 * Nice guess. :P &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 23:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

A few comments
Wow after several edit conflicts it finally looks straightened out. 72.43.1.59 20:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit conflicts mostly due to people not previewing but saving 3-4 times for one change. -_- &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 20:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well on a seperate note it looks like its going to be great as soon as I get home im gonna buy tons of mini pigs and firework items :) 72.43.1.59 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We will get to trade our "EXTRA" min-pigs for a better prize? How nice.  I already gave all of my extras away to people who couldn't be at the last festival.  Guess that is what I get for being nice. 71.64.5.170
 * That is the exact same thing I thought! Teach me to be a nice guy (same goes with all my tonics) :( (InvdrFlame 21:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Freakin' same here. I had like 15 of those little things, gave all but 1 away. Im never giving anything to noobs again. period. And I used all my fireworks from last year I had about 500 of those. stupid anet - Amantis 21:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. Worst title ever, btw.--136.142.163.55 21:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * QQ -- Tr33zon ಠ_ಠ [[Image:User_Tr33zon_Signature0.gif]] (Talk - Contribs) 21:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, strange they are setting up a situation where we will never want to give anything away again, I gave away 4 when Eye of The North came out... This seems contrary to the ethos they should be encouraging. If they gave one "prize" to each person who had given one away that would make more sense! As if that isn't enough we continue to have very limited storage options! *Confused* [[Image:User_Raxous-Wiki-Sig.png]]- Raxous -[[Image:User_Raxous-Wiki-Sig.png]] 23:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Same, i had 8 of them and gave 7 away to peeps who couldnt get to the festival and now im buggered, im well pissed at this. It's like being punished for being nice! -- Salome 23:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. My last spare pig was given to a guildie who popped back in while taking a break from WoW. We hadn't seen him in nearly a year, and so I gave him the mini pig and a Ceratadon. Now I almost wish he hadn't appeared, since I don't have any way of trading for this new mini unless I buy a pig at hyper-inflated prices :p --Goteki-45 00:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I admit I'm a little miffed at this too. I gave away most of my mini-pigs after dedicating them at my HoM. Who seriously would keep extra pigs in their pack when inventory space is at such a premium? *grumble* - 02:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think anet needs to change this a bit and give some very long winded and hard way of getting the pet other than just handing in a crap load of mini-pigs. Is it juts me or is this just a way to remove the extra minipigs from the ingame economy? *sigh* so annoyed about this, im never giving anything away again! -- Salome 08:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I really really hope this will be a 1 pig = 1 "New Mini" trade, because I only have two extra pigs... That would be lame if you need like 5 extra pigs or something. I was so excited when I read about the pig thing until I started thinking: "I wonder how many they mean when they say "Multiple" Mini Pigs.... then I got bummed... :( And really its only chance that I even have extras, I gave ALL but one away and then someone I know gave me two because they were sick of them taking up space... and that was months ago, and months after the event... -- RavenJWolfe 22:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Arenanet just doesn't like people who want to collect minipets. Remember how they handled the Polar Bear? And now this. MULTIPLE pigs? If the game wasn't so fun, I would have quit. I am getting more than a little annoyed by how anet treats decent people and favors the egocentric flamers. I have farmed 5 pigs in total, just to be able to give some away to guildies that couldn't attend. And this is my thank you. Nicky Silverstar 11:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Anet doesn't like people who wnat to collect minipets... ok then... Anyway, I think it's kind of stupid too but I doubt ArenaNet was thinking along those lines... just a stupid idea on their part. --Alreajk.

Roller Beetle Racing...
well not to sound like im jealous or only doing this cause im angry,but if ya notice every year its the same people that win the races,approximately like 2-10 times each -.-, every time the races come they have multiple top scores, and considering many of us other people would enjoy ONE mini beetle at least,it seems kinda unfair. Second since me and my guild were trying for those things all that event last time we ran into those top scoring people and half the time i noticed they ran the same path.....step for step, aka botting, and i think thats extremly unfair. plz do something about this....74.186.169.130 21:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure Anet would like to do something about it but that seems unlikely, because they would have to spend a lot of time in-game with their banhammer 5000's out and still they would have to make sure the person is botting or not..... but their is strategies were the person seems to be botting but they actually arn't. -- Ninja Dragon  [[Image:User_Ninja_Dragon_Sig.png|20px]] 22:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't honestly believe a bot can post a top time do you? It doesn't matter now anyway since they only rewarded the mini beetles once. The only thing that was unfair was that not the top 100 unique accounts but the top 100 players got a mini beetle, meaning less than 50 beetles were actually given away. --Draikin 22:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Town Decorated?
How come Kamadan was decorated for Canthan New Year, but Kaineng Center was not, surely the event is a Canthan festival and does not belong in Elona at all? -- Lemming 22:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the festival page. Lord Belar 22:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh... immigration in Tyria, lol. :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Heck yeah, humies be homoegenizing for GW2. ;) --Ravious 12:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Dune Beetle Racing?
Where's the dune beetle racing? ;-x --Czar 21:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't think thers is such thing as dune beetle racing, but this link to Rollerbeetle Racing might help you. :D FirstSunspear 22:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Tips and Tidbits: Canthan New Year Festival
Players are excited about today's announcement of the upcoming Canthan New Year Festival. You will note that we have extended the event to run through Noon Pacific time on Monday, so there's a bit of extra holiday joy to be had during this weekend celebration. Here are additional tidbits of information you might like to know:


 * The Lion Mask (not the Dragon Mask, not the Tengu Mask) is the traditional headgear of the Canthan New Year. The mask will not change for the Canthan New Year Festival this year (or any other, I assume) because it is not the "end of event" gift. Unlike other festivals, the mask is something for you to acquire and enjoy during the festival.


 * The Miniature Celestial Rat will be available only from Lunar Fortunes. You will not receive the miniature at the end of the event. (Naturally, you can trade for the mini.)


 * The drop rate from the Lunar Fortunes has been increased over last year's Miniature Pig drop rate.


 * The special reward for exchanging a number of Miniature Pigs from last year is only available through an exchange, it will not be given at the end of the event or through fortunes. (Naturally, you can trade for the mini.)


 * Miniature Pigs accepted in trade my be dedicated or may be undedicated; that does not matter to the collector who is offering the trade.


 * The quantity of Miniature Pigs needed to successfully complete a trade is named, by the Design Team, as, officially, "more than two and fewer than a dozen." ;)


 * This year, there is a new end-of-event gift that I think you'll enjoy. It's not quite like anything else in the game.


 * Jade Wind Orbs are defunct and are no longer useful.


 * Lunar Tokens are useful; they are the reward that you receive for the events and activities during the Canthan New Year Festival. You can also turn in Victory Tokens, as both collectors will be in place for the duration of the weekend, but the Lunar Tokens are this weekend's collectible item.


 * Note: The Lunar Token Collector will close his shop and disappear for the year on Monday at Noon Pacific time. Please exchange your tokens before that time, or save them until next year.


 * The Rollerbeetle Racing event will reward the top placers with special prizes. Speak to the NPCs to learn more.


 * The festival "finale" will run throughout Sunday, Pacific time, from 12:01 AM until 11:59 PM Pacific time. Rollerbeetle Racing, Shing Jea Boardwalk, and other events will be in place another 12 hours, through Noon Pacific on Monday. However, the finale -- and the chance to score the end-of-event gift -- is available only on Sunday. (All times are -8 GMT.)


 * In the meantime, I've been asked about the recipes, and I can't say if they have changed or have not changed, but I'd lean towards the latter. In that case, you can learn the recipes and get details on where to find the ingredients on the official wiki page for the Canthan New Year page from last year.

I hope this is helpful info, and I look foward to seeing you in the Festival! -- Gaile 01:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Questions and Comments

 * Is there any way you could say how many pigs are needed for the collectors? People are having a field day and spouting random stuff such as how you need 3-11 pigs or you get nothing. --Goteki-45 01:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh, Goteki, you are too quick for me! I was just going to amend the above to give the "official" answer. James and the rest of the designers will say only, "More than two, fewer than a dozen." :) -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 01:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

From the official website:
 * For those who want a preview of the coming year, the fortune teller will peer into your future and provide you with a very real, and legally binding, fortune. Whether your destiny bodes well or ill, it will certainly follow you into the world beyond Shing Jea.

...Do you really think you can trust the randoms of GW with an NDA? -- Armond Warblade 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The very real and legally binding part reminds me of monty python holy grail where sir lancelot kills everyone in the castle, but then almost gets tricked into marrying the bride. Ajc2123
 * Hmmmm... we are very fond of Monty Python, and my personal favourite is Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail, so... maybe that's what the writers were thinking of! :) --


 * So do you need 2 pigs for the reward?? --  The Warrior Of Timi 08:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * From the bullet points above: 'is named, by the Design Team, as, officially, "more than two and fewer than a dozen.'
 * Note the bolded and italicized text. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the inside info, Gaile. Much appreciated.  I like how things change, but they stay the same.  Looking forward to both the fresh and the comfortable. --Ravious 12:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it because MORE rhymes with Four Oh I wish I didnt give all my mini pigs away, sometimes being nice bites you on the deriare--Rian Fortame** Peace not war

Well poster above me charity always bites you in the behind you try to be nice and help people with there mini's and the year next they think of a crappy way to make the generous feel crappy i also banged my head against the wall when i heard about the collector for pigs. Cult Mephisto


 * I concur, I should have been selfish and kept more for myself : I have 2 left + 1 dedicated that I do not want to give away. That's "derrière" by the way ;) Jaxom 19:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wel Jaxom i agree i have been to good for my fellow players but i think i should have been filled with greed last year but then again im no selfish person. But in the end Greed before need and capitalism FTW these days i think i need to do less GW i don't fit into the game in a to big carebare player. Cult Mephisto
 * I'm a little confuzzled, are we to expect 2 hats this year, last years + a new one this year? or just last years again? -- Alien [[Image:User Alien Sig.png]] 20:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a bit odd "more than 2 fewer than 12" pigs being required for the mini how are you supposed to have up to 11 minipigs now? unless it is a code where more(four) than 2 is 6(4+2) and few(two)er then 12 is 6(12/2). Now I just need 2 more pigs.(Marsc 21:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC))
 * I think you're looking a bit too much into it...--[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 21:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I'm just loving the ridiculous increase in pig prices, and am debating whether to sell em for ~30k each or wait and see what the surprise is... I think this is an excellent way to bring the prices of the "cheap" minipet up to the level of all the other pets. Though its not quite as high as it was back when the pigs only came from fortunes (WTS Mini Pig 100k+50e!!!!) Ashes Of Doom 01:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile's tips stated that the headgear won't change, and in fact will be available to acquire during the event, unlike other festivals. Where/when are we able to acquire the Lion Mask? I can't find a collector/giver as of yet, but if they are supposed to be available during the event, surely we won't have to wait until the finale, will we? Kokuou 03:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Miniature Rewards
"somewhat volatile, special treat." Flying mini? --King Of Kamelott 02:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Mini Volatile Ooze? -- Hong 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and maybe a tamable "party animal" as shown here.[[Image:Partyanimal.jpg]]--King Of Kamelott 02:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * everlasting bottle rocket, yeh baby! -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 02:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Would make sense, Hong, as the two things running around before GW:EN were Oozes and Rats. We know rtas are going to be one, so Ooze the other, perhaps?  Calor [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 02:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Smart thinking thats a good idea--King Of Kamelott 03:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I see I'm not the only one who had an idea about Nian being involved in miniatures... I think this may be the new secret miniature... I hope!! I hope!!! -- RavenJWolfe [[image:User_RavenJWolfe_Icon4sig.png]] 20:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be awesome if he showed up as a tamable animal in your HoM after attaining the max level of the Party Animal title.... AND at the same time we got a miniature version of him (trade for a pig at collector or whatever) -- RavenJWolfe 20:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to be a spoiler, but I think you're going pretty far afield. The final event gift is not a miniature of any sort. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 05:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Festival Quest?
Are the festival quest going to be the same as last years Canthan New Year? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:64.89.253.1 (talk).

Nian
Why is there an image of him at the bottom of the page and also in the background of the guildwars.com Canthan New Year '08 page. Do you think he'll play a bigger role in this years Festival? Alovich 14:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope he is the secret mini!!! -- RavenJWolfe [[image:User_RavenJWolfe_Icon4sig.png]] 20:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too, then I won't have to waste precious minipigs to get it! Nicky Silverstar 11:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollerbeetle Racing rewards
I just read that Anet plans to give away rewards for Rollerbeetle Racing again, and this seems like a mistake to me. First of all the last time Anet gave rewards you didn't reward the top 100 accounts but only the players that had one or more top 100 times. A lot of players (unfortunately I was one of them) got very close to posting a top 100 time, but they were knocked out of the top 100 because a few players had about a dozen top 100 times each. We were told Anet would look into this but this issue was never resolved so we didn't get a mini beetle. Only keeping the top time for each account would have solved this problem. The second issue, and far worse, is that top players will be using smurf accounts to get multiple rewards. The problem here is that they aren't in direct competition with their opponents, so they can simply get one top 100 time with an account and then get another one with a different account. This wouldn't be an issue if there was a final event where the top 100 players competed with each other for prizes like in the GvG or HB MaT, since they can't play two accounts at the same time. Again, this will make sure even less people get a chance to win a prize. Will Anet be doing anything about these issues? --Draikin 18:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Where did you read there will be a reward again? I can't find it on any of the official pages. 80.201.37.123 20:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:Gaile Gray. --Draikin 20:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns, and I do recall the issues last year. One thing I should clarify is that, as far as I know, no one received more than one Miniature Rollerbeetle. I do appreciate the concern that, if someone held three places in the top 100, 2 others were not "bumped up" on the list to get the reward.
 * Since last year, changes to Guild Wars may help address the problem of one person capturing multiple top 100 placements. Because remember, we recently added the Dishonorable Combatant System that "awards" dishonor points to those who don't play fairly. So this year, if someone tries to "play the system" with frequent quit-outs (which we saw last year) he or she will reap dishonor points. Those points will result in a time out from the races, meaning those who try the quit-out work-around will have less time to compete and fewer hours to achieve high placement.
 * I must admit that having the system run account-based rather than character-based would be real nice, but we were not able to make that change. Let's give the whole experience a review after the event to see if the DCS helps make Rollerbeetle Racing more fun and more lucrative for a larger number of players. Thanks for letting me know about your concerns. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, does that mean players that simply /resign get dishonor points? That wouldn't exactly make much sense either since rollerbeetle racing isn't a team based game, so you can't leave your "team" since you're alone to begin with. In other words it's not unfair to anyone if you leave. Basically every top player resigned if he knew he couldn't get a top 100 time (in other words when they don't get the echo + super rollerbeetle combo immediately, or other players hinder their progress). Normally when you resigned you dropped out of the game immediately, so will this still happen or will you just have to wait until everyone finishes? If you do get dishonor points for resigning (or leaving), it would actually make things even worse since it would benefit the top players with multiple GW accounts even more: they can just switch accounts when they get dishonored. That would only increase their chance at getting multiple mini beetles.
 * The real issue here is that the format doesn't encourage you to play against your opponents, it encourages you to post individual top times. When I played to get a top 100 time I didn't bother using skills to slow down my opponents, especially when they were trying to get top times as well (if we did attack each other we'd both ruin our chance at a top time). Attacking other players simply doesn't help you. I know it's silly to create an actual tournament for Rollerbeetle Racing to solve these problems, but because this isn't a "serious" PvP format there shouldn't be rewards for it. By implementing the reward system like this, you're encouraging people to "play the system" instead of simply playing for fun like in the Dragon Arena. If playing with multiple accounts and constantly getting dishonored is the best way to get a mini beetle then people will do so. --Draikin 00:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Another thought: Did you see this week's update notes? There has been a significant change to RBR: "'Changed the item boxes in Rollerbeetle Racing to only be collectible once per player." I think that will help reduce the box-camping and make things more fun and competitive. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 01:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed that, but that won't really change things since by the end of the previous event you didn't even have the time to box-camp anymore if you wanted a top 100 time. You just have to get lucky and get the Super Rollerbeetle and Rollerbeetle Echo from the very first boxes and then you can go for the top time. If not, you just /resign and try again. After all the objective isn't to win races, it's to get those top 100 times. It will stop those players that did nothing but box-camp and spam skills on other players, but it won't make the races more competitive. I didn't find it fun to attack other players and ruin their chance at top 100 time, and I'm certain most top 100 players wouldn't attack each other if they happened to compete in the same race. The real competition is about getting those top times.
 * Could you confirm whether or not leaving and/or resigning from the race actually gives you dishonor points now? If resigning doesn't, do you leave the race immediately or do you have to wait until everyone finishes? I hope that's not the case, since it wouldn't make much sense for Anet to encourage players to leave early to get a better chance at getting a top time and at the same time punish them for doing so. --Draikin 02:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Last year, I won a Rollerbeetle for getting a top 100 score. Since you claim that nobody was able to get more than one Rollerbeetle, does this mean I'd be excluded from winning another one this year?  Given the update to how boxes are gained, I would like to think that a new year and new playing rules means a new chance at getting a Rollerbeetle. Shayne Hawke 12:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just played a few races and you do in fact get dishonored now for resigning, which simply doesn't make sense since resigning is the correct way to end a PvP match before the timer runs out. In other words people with multiple accounts will now have even more chances at getting multiple beetles, since they can still resign and play on a different account while they wait for the dishonorable hex to disappear. --Draikin 20:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in their defense, they DID pay more than you, so they should get something for it. Nicky Silverstar 08:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I also have a concern with this years rollerbeetle races, there has been alot of in race LAG in the races. At one time your like in first place but then u lag back and everyone is actually behind you. I tried playing it on another computer but the same thing happened as of a guild mate who was on vent reported the same one. Also some of this skills dont work they way they supposed to do like bash it says everyone adjacent but really it was who was behind the player really closely. Also I can agree with the Records as I seen one player who has his name in the list 20 times and that is about ONE FIFTH of the records as of rewards. As of top place I don't see how can someone gone through that track in a minute and 18 seconds THATS JUST OBSERED not even getting superroller beetle with every box is still not even possible to finish under that amount of time O.O As of rewards I agree that it should be account based then having the same account on there 20+ times and hugging all of the chart. But seeing that GW2 demo is coming out b4 the next years even some people just give up and rather wait till GW2 than compete for the mini again. As of resigning I onced finished first but when i went up in my chat to do the dance emote( i love how the Rollerbeetle dances its AWESOME) I accidentally entered /resign and i losted though i was already in first place and i went back to town as of also gained a dishonor point. I was mad a little but not to mad. But still need to be reconfigured to where u win u dont get a dishonor point for accidentally doing something. --72.178.138.105 02:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Timetable
Will there be one for the end-of-event-events? 80.201.37.123 17:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * it will likely be released on friday when the events begin. -- VVong | BA 17:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They usually don't tell you that they'll do an end of event event. its usually a "suprise". DBZVelena  |  (Talk page)  [[image:User_DBZVelena_sig.jpg]] 18:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

A worrysome quest & the New Years Festival. :)
While last year was fun, a quest exploit was made where one would continually get 10 piles of dust on a level 2 Canthan character, and farm the quest, Fire in the Sky. The process is as follows, and can be done in less than 3 minutes total, resulting in around 20 runs an hour. This results to 500 tokens, 60 fireworks, 6 and 60, 000 EXP,
 * Make new character
 * Do the henchman quest and get Monestary Credit
 * Use to get Scroll for 100g.
 * Use 100g to open storage and obtain 10 glittering dust.
 * Turn in the reward for Fire in the Sky.
 * Rinse, and repeat.

The above method could result in hundreds of tokens and fireworks being "farmed" an hour. An exapmle of the exploit is found here. I wanted to let the devs know before the festival commenced, so it could be fixed. A great way to fix this would be to make it so that only characters above level 5 can obtain the quest.  Drago  22:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes! I have passed that along to QA and to James right now. Thanks for the heads up! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This just in: Design thanks you for the report, and will be looking into this right away. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't a player trying to exploit this style of quest running run into that Code 041 thats mentioned a section a few above this and stop them from exploiting it for a while? House Of Furyan 00:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Imo the gw community is full of self-important snobs. Lets say it takes 5 minutes to do all that stuff to get 300 Gold, 25 Lunar Tokens, 1 Bottle Rocket, 1 Champagne Popper & 1 Sparkler. Couldn't you just farm 1k within the same time and buy the tokens + other crap, it wouldn't be any harder.  Snobo 
 * Because this exploit is faster and a lvl1 character couldn't farm enough to get 1K to buy the stuff. This exploit could be done fast if its as simple as Drago has suggested.  I'm less surprised that players found such a possible and easy exploit (if it truly is that simple, I'm more surprised ANET didn't see it coming. House Of Furyan 00:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You can farm 1K with your lvl 20 character. :rolleyes: 87.189.213.27 10:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile said error 41 has been around since before the release of Guild Wars, so if it didn't stop them last year, I don't know how it would now. - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 02:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless bots start doing this I really don't see how this is a problem. 6k per hour is nothing for any sort of organised farm.  The 60k xp is irrelevant as you never get more than about 3k before you delete the character.  You're limited in how often this can be done as you need to have glittering dust available, and the dust is gonna reduce any profit anyway.  If someone wants to spend all weekend doing the same 3 minute quest for hour upon hour, I can't see the problem in letting them.  On a side note, why is this an "exploit"?  People get banned for exploits. This is just another farm.  Anet might want to nerf it, but I don't see how players are doing anything wrong in this. Sadie2k 05:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe my use of the word 'exploit' is wrong House Of Furyan 06:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * its not an exploit, its just people who recreate characters to do a quest over and over again, anet was thinking wrong and a level 5 cap woud be good, or else make so u need to do like 5 other quests first so it takes more time --78.82.75.156 12:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It IS an exploit, because it allows you to get WAY more then your fair share of Lunar Tokens....Each player is limited to a certain amount, by repeating this they are essentially going around limitations, which is the DEFINITION of an exploit.... -Ë×ţřεмə όήє  16:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhm you can just do it at all your characters there is no limitation.  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 16:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, it is limited to how many character slots you have purchased.... -Ë×ţřεмə όήє  16:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no problem, at all! I'm the person who posted the guide on guru, and all we did was find a way to make a decent amount of fireworks without having to rip our hair out at drops. 6 platinum, is nothing! I can make that in five minutes! 'more then our fair share of lunar tokens'? Sorry, you can go to the raptor cave and probably get 5x more of them. Gaile, please reconsider the level of this 'exploit', there's nothing wrong with it. Also! I have no idea how to use wiki...

(reset indent)Ban Him!! We have his IP address now that he posted on the wiki!! MUAHAHAHAHA -Ë×ţřεмə όήє  16:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ban me for what? For using a quest instead of grinding like hell?
 * For using an EXPLOIT instead of grinding like normal players.... :P -Ë×ţřεмə όήє  16:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it an exploit? What is being exploited? It will cause no crash to the market and it wont yield more/less tokens. There's nothing that shows it's an exploit. Quit trying to change the way some of us play the games WE bought.
 * I was just messing with you.....sheesh.....I can see you'll defend this exploit with your life, just to get an extra advantage in Lunar Tokens numbers over other, normal players....Seems trivial to me, but if you think its soooo important, I don't care....It's still gonna be fixed(I hope) -Ë×ţřεмə όήє  16:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I, for one, would consider farming this quest with newly made level ones in bad taste if only because of the last update. Sure 6k isn't much to some people and if you were to spend an hour farming another area you could probably come up with near the same amount depending on your skill level and determination. The xp is pointless because odds are you're just deleting the character and making a new one in it's place. The tokens are a slightly different story, especially with this year and seeing as how mini rats will only drop out of fortunes, the going price for stacks of tokens will probably be fairly high. In itself, that's not so bad, I suppose. I'm willing to look over just one flaw such as that, but when you consider that with each hour you'll be getting 60 fireworks as well, that's where the problem arises. Now that they have gone from having absolutely no value to in demand (you could sell them for a decent amount or use them to your own gain) they make this "repeatable" quest much more profitable than it should be. This is just my take on it, I don't think I'll be trying to constantly repeat (maybe with my existing characters, but that's all) so take my opinion as you will. InvdrFlame 16:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The more people farm, and the more efficient the farm, the cheaper and more accessible lunar tokens will be for everybody though. Sadie2k 17:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Might as well nerf Secret Lair of the snowman and Kilroy's punchout extravaganza. 209.160.28.45 18:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Those two dungeons have requirements, you have to be at least level 10 to get them and various other requirements, so I don't see how you can use that in this conversation. This is an exploit as people are wanting to use it in a way Anet didn't intend, so I wouldn't be surprised in seeing some restrictions coming into play ( don't think ANET wanted players to create/delete characters in rapid sequence as a viable source of farming.).   I still stand by my comment up there about being surprised ANET didn't see this coming. House Of Furyan 19:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are both going to be good ways of getting lunar tokens. And with the logic they're using to nerf the quest, they might as well nerf those places too. Oh, and don't forget the raptors, might as well make them unfarmable while you're at it.
 * QQ. Shall I post about those too? [[Image:UserDrago-sig.gif]]  Drago  02:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * yes please, keep trying to destroy the game for everyone else
 * Just let Drago has his moment, because that's all he wants. House Of Furyan 20:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Still think anet would have been better off fixing rollerbeetle scoring. This didn't do any harm to anyone, but rollerbeetle scoring is going to mean 50+ people don't get any reward. Sadie2k 16:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I AM DISTRAUGHT.
I have one mini pig, that is not being traded away, because it was a gift from a special friend of mine. I have 3 years under my belt of playtime where i must have used or given hundreds of these fire making paper popper toys and snowman summoning top hats. I just blew most of my remaining money pampering my dervish (i purchased a pair of gloves that cost about as much as a full set of armor), i'm going onto guildwars now to see if i can afford a mini pig (which was probly 1k a few days ago). By dwayna's beard if i can't afford a freaking mini pig with 22k because of this i hope these words i type ignite into a blaze and burst from the screen and burn the hair off your poodle.

By the way I love this game and couldn't care less if things don't work out because i'm happy enough playing a dervish with dragons on his hands and a bear face on his chest. GOOD DAY SIRS AND MADAMS, keep up the good work (can we have chaos swords?)

U joking, right
I just got the Guild Wars newsletter and it says you need 5 pigs for the trade O.o can't this be lowered to 2 or something -  The Warrior Of Timi 19:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * indeed, It is much because no one saved those minis from last year the deleted them or sold them and buying them back now is very expensive for an average GW player --Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 20:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a major rip off and I am getting really fed up with arenanet. I am serisously considering not buying GW. Again there are problems with minipets. WHY 5 FOR GOD's SAKE? EVEN 2 IS TOO MANY! Nicky Silverstar 20:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, but I am still annoyed about the polar bear, and now this news. I never do this, but I had to vent. I'm sorry about that. Nicky Silverstar 20:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing about minis is that they are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL. You are by no means obligated to get them. Personally I made quite a profit reselling minis this weekend, and am satisfied with the new one. If minis were required in any way, yours would be a valid complaint, but they are not, so it is not. Ashes Of Doom 20:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See here for more details about the reasoning. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Completely optional? Only the selfish and the rich can get this mini. I only got 4 extra pigs to give them to people who didn't get them...and THIS is the thanks I get. Nicky Silverstar 20:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I resent being called selfish (NPA anyone?), and I am definitely not rich. When I heard about this event yesterday, I simply went around and bought 11 mini pigs for about 2k each. No, it wasn't in the main cities, and yes it took a bit of work to find them. But I walked out of the experience with a celestial pig and a handsome profit (which I immediately spent on festival tickets!) Everyone may not be able to afford one, but that is the same with every mini. I don't see that much complaint over the bone dragons going for high prices. Besides, there is always the rat to hope for, and the "surprise" at the end of the event. Ashes Of Doom 21:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I ask a question ashes, did those selling it know what you knew or, once again, are you just a player taking advantage of those who know less? House Of Furyan 20:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Heck I'm happy. I made 200k selling 4 minipigs, so thats cool with me haha. I just stay away from miniatures in general...waste of money. The only ones I would actually consider using are pretty much unobtainable anyway, as I do not buy gold for rl money *cough minipolarbear, minipandabear *cough-Warior kronos 21:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Ashes, if you got any to spare, I'd gladly buy 5 from you for 2k each...they don't go for less than 20k now. Nicky Silverstar 21:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop complaining, seriously, get over it, this is awesome, thank you Gaile. A great solution to the over population of mini pigs. Those crying, the celestial mini pig will probably be 10k in about a week. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I never viewed the overpopulation as a problem...I actually kinda liked the fact that some minipets were easy to get. I'll stop complaining though...I don't want to bother you guys. Sorry that I posted in the first place. Like I said, I was a bit annoyed...but I still should think before I post. Nicky Silverstar 22:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile, is there any way this can be made into a NORMAL number? 5 is excessive.  As it is, many of us (myself included) gave all my extras away to friends who couldn't make it and to newbies who asked for one.  This is a terrible way to punish people for being kind. --71.240.80.160 23:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What the guy with the IP said but last year when I was at the new year I only got a total of 3 pigs and I kept them all so it seem's VERY,VERY cruel of you guys to do....... -- Ninja Dragon  [[Image:User_Ninja_Dragon_Sig.png|20px]] 23:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt they'll revert it now, now that some have already sacrificed 5 pigs. I too feel a little irked with the requirement since i've only gotten 3 pigs as well and getting it easy last year only made me not want it as much hence only getting 3. Renin 00:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Easier to revert the change than stem the anger (of everyone, not just the gotta-have early adopters). Change it to one for one or two for one, and put in an NPC (with a complete-once quest) that will let you show him a celestial pig to get 3 normal mini pigs back. --71.240.80.160 00:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * i don't see why havening a overage of mini pigs is a problem in the first place. there are some minipets that are hard to get like gwen and the bone dragon. the way they went about this was wrong. and i for one don't think it was a thought out desision anet says they watch the economy of the game very closely so if they really thought it though they would not have gone about this in this manner if they wanted to reward those who were at the last years event then they should have just added a npc that would allow you to trade in the old pig for a new one. like my guild says "YOUR BUILDS MAKE ME WONDER IF YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME AT ALL."
 * The number is 5 because there were too many pigs in-game from last year. You can trade for them, or buy them. I got 3 pigs for 10k / each and had another 3 from last year. Even if you buy 5 pigs, that's about 50K, now how much is water djinn and lich and Gwen again? Why complain? I don't get it, people just want the easy way, the fast way, do nothing for it but get it all. Where's the challenge in that? --[[Image:User_Tribina_Mulogo.jpg]] (Tribina / talk) 10:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not sell your three pigs today that you have, then buy a celes pig when the prices come down. You will probably even turn a profit. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 11:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I say this to everyone who thinks the trade-in is unfair: You are no worse off today than you were 2 weeks ago. If you had 5 or more mini pigs and chose to trade them in for a new celestial pig, you've benefitted. If you had less than 5 and bought more mini pigs to trade for a celestial pig, that was your choice, no different than buying spiritwood planks for a black moa. If you decided to cash in and sold some mini pigs, you've profitted. If you've done none of the above, you're exactly where you would've been if Anet had not decided to introduce the mini celestial pig to reduce the number of mini pigs. No one has taken anything away from you. No one has harmed you in any way. Please continue on living a happy life. - Tanetris 13:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like this mans thinking and level headedness. He deserves an award. Crazy 14:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that Tanetris has shed the cool light of reasonable thinking on this issue. Thank you for sharing those thoughts, Tanetris! -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Devil's advocate - the experience of having a celestial pig has been taken away. The gap between haves and have-nots has increased.  Not everybody are hardcore enough to have 5 pigs in the first place or the plats to purchase pigs necessary.  Only thing I've learned from this experience is that GW needs to be called Hoard Wars now. Barinthus 18:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There's certainly a lot of truth to that. I will say one thing, though: Anet's completely and utterly guaranteed that no one will ever share a mini, ever again (or anything else of similar possible value).   Before, there was a spirit of giving away things like minis (Christmas giveaways, for example).  Now, not a chance.  Never again.  No way.  (However, this is my own personal opinion, and not that of my guild or alliance.)  -- SpikeTheFluffy 08:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * But it seems to me that by your way of thinking, every time we add a title, we could be risking causing some sort of potential "problem" for those who cannot acquire it; every time we add a new feature, we might be having a negative impact upon a certain player. I just honestly don't believe that! Someone could argue, "You should not add the Domain of Anguish, because I'm not a sufficiently accomplished player to make it through. And if I cannot do it, no one should have that opportunity." Same applies to GvG, the Underworld, high-end titles, Heroes' Ascent, the Black Moa Chick quest, challenging missions, Fissure of Woe, difficult or puzzling quests, secondary rewards, and so much more. Shall the game be homogenized until everyone has everything, all are equal, and extraordinary accomplishment or extra effort means (and gains) nothing? I truly think that would be bad idea.


 * The beauty of Guild Wars is your ability to experience what you want, and what you are able to experience, while another player may enjoy and pursue completely different elements of the game. Please remember that Guild Wars is a global game with millions of players, and realize that not every thing is easily obtained by every player, but that for every player, a multitude of opportunities do exist. Us players being offered fresh goals, new features, and expansions of the game experience -- in large ways and in small -- it a very, very good thing. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I absolutely have no problem with new titles or new pets or whatnot. As long those are obtainable by those determined but within reasonable parameters.  I cannot express myself adequately, English isn't my native language so I realize my words can be twisted around.  The new celestial pig mini is not obtainable by those without 5 orginial pigs or huge plat account.  Polar bear incident is one other good example.  Don't get me wrong, it looks like I'm whining but I'm not.  I prefer not to stress over this, it's not worth high blood pressure or developing an ulcer over.  Guess I just don't appreciate people trying to gloss over this which trivalize or disregard my feelings which are very much so valid.  "Ohhh it adds nothing to your gaming experience"  "Ohh it's just an object"  "blah blah."  Frankly they can put those where the sun doesn't shine.  At same time I acknowledge that certain individuals who are not pleased with certain design decisions have been downright rude - nothing wrong with expressing your thoughts as long its in a civilized manner.  I'm not exactly thrilled over this but at same time I keep in mind there are many things that developers and designers did that I really like so in the end it's not too bad - I will still play GW and enjoy my gaming experience as I can.  And generous people - bless them!  If it wasn't not for them I'd not have gotten a mini-pig from last year's festival and a celestial rat this year.  Anyway in the end, it's impossible to please everybody so, Anet folks, do please continue truckin' and I sincerely believe they're doing their best to make the gaming experience of GW a great one even if I don't always agree with everything. Barinthus 08:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile misses the point again. This is a "removed" experience and not an "added" experience in this case.  Go remind yourself of all the threads last year where you encouraged everyone to give away and share their minipigs!  --71.240.80.160 20:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand why event such as New Year have requirement to get the reward.  Why doesn't Anet make it a simple giveaway instead, all in good fun, why does everything have to have a requirement?  House Of Furyan 20:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What I don't understand personally, is why having many minipigs is a problem...Nicky Silverstar 21:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * While I do agree that some situations, such as the Mini Polar Bear, were handled poorly by not even giving the slightest clue about its implementation, I don't understand why so many people are upset about this. ANet went as far to tell us not only that there was going to be TWO mini pets, but told us how to get both. And seriously, five Mini Pigs were/are not that hard to collect--I managed to buy eight of them for less than 50k, even during the "ZOMG SELING MINI PIGS 4 100k+35e!!!!" chaos that broke out two days before the event. If you're upset that you can't get one, why not wait a few days/weeks? The price will surely come down, and there are now enough in the market where you see people advertising them for sale all the time. (I've even seen some for sale for 30k as of Saturday). And to 71.240, she hasn't missed the point. If you look at it that way, every new element that's added to the game is a "removed" experience. Should ANet now give out Mini Gwens to everyone? Kokuou 23:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah... allez, better to enjoy the event itself rather to keep talking about that (though many points are valid too) and work for recipes, that's still a challenge ! Enjoy yourself instead ingame everyone ! Davor Belegnaur 00:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I understand that this is an attempt to undo the overpopulation of pigs, but I honestly question if the same couldn't be accomplished by requiring three pigs. -- Armond Warblade 00:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

requiring 5 pigs is absolutely high, as speaking for myself...last year with the festival of the pig i made a total of 12 pigs, tho i did not keep them at all, i was being so kind to give them to players who were not able to be at the event cause of not able to get online that time or not owning factions at all. shortly i had no pig left, now 1 year later...they REQUIRE 5 MINI PIGS FOR A CELESTIAL 1! im rly upset about this aswell is i was for the polar bears... InfestedHydralisk  03:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't quite get the reasoning, even though Gaile has explained it, it should have been obvious alot of people were going to be upset, why bring a downer on the festival? 1 v 1 would have reduced the amount of pigs and  encouraged generosity with the celestial pigs. Not everyone can afford the highly inflated prices of mini pigs nor would want to waste the cash. Even if you don't like the celestial mini it still would have been a nice little reminder of what otherwise is a great event. To have done without the mini pig exchange and not have the player negativity would have been better imo --Evil Geek 10:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * While I can see the reasoning, I'm a little disappointed in the way Anet is seemingly deliberately (or unknowingly, don't know which is worse) making it impossible for me as a new player to get certain things. You can claim the festival hats are optional, I can buy that. But don't claim minipets aren't, there's a whole section for them in the Hall of Monuments. Surely you can't expect me not to try to get them? And now, it's going to be impossible to get them, at least soon enough. With 5 minipigs being removed, completely from the game each time someone gets a celestial pig ... eventually there will be no pigs left. Then how am I supposed to get one? As a new player I'm not exactly rich either, so bying one is not an option (the price will also most likely keep skyrocketing due to the fact there is no constant stream of additional pigs coming in, ever, at this point). First, second and third year birthdays I will get, eventually, which is frustrating perhaps but also something I can buy. But please, I love the Black Moa Chick thingie, if you want rarity, do something like that. Don't setup a system to get a rat and a celestial rat where the key ingredient is no longer producable - Kherec 12:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did everyone get 10 Celestial Rats just in case? Nicky Silverstar 20:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, I know people who were lucky to get one let alone 10. One of my friends opened almost 500 on those fortunes and no ZERO RATS.  He couldn't get any more nor does he have the money to buy it, he's so pissed, although he had 8 hats in his inventory ( I myself got 6) when he came back from going afk in nine-rings  Last year they created too much, this year, did they create enough? House Of Furyan 18:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I had 11 mini pigs since the 2006 Canthan New Year and I know someone who had 15 but then trashed them seeing that everyone had them so he was pissed this year. I myself from this year even have 7 MINI RATS comeon I would not complain. I can see it as a way for mini pigs to go back up in price than to be 800 gold each for a mini. --72.178.138.105 02:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Celestial MiniPig
So it's 5 Minipigs for 1 Celestial Minipig, and the collector says the Celestial pig gave out to many last year, what an excuse :D Alovich 20:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 5 minipigs? What a rip-off. What is the point of it? Nicky Silverstar 20:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

i agree it is a rip to ask for 5. 3 is reasonable, at least to me, but 5 is pushing it to far Tomostonepaw
 * I think it is very reasonable. Remember all the mass Pigs there was last year. Maybe a little excessive, but it is also very reasonable. Kanna
 * This will teach me ever to give away extra things again! I can't believe they did this!--71.240.80.160 23:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ANet wants us to be stingy hogs. I'm gonna stomp out my spirit of giving this year. Mocax 02:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Just great. Me and my girlfriend had around 25 minipigs after the event last time. Both kept one and tried giving away the others to people who missed the event. At a sudden time (when we had around 13/14 left it seemed like everyone had a minipig and since they were taking up so much of our inventory space and we choose to delete them (everyone seemed to have one anyway so why keep them). And now we miss out on another minipet.
 * Great. Just great. - 84.217.118.31 09:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I dislike it promoting (and rewarding) greed over holiday spirit. - Auron 09:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * GG ANET! [[Image:User BaineTheBotter Icon notify before deletion.jpg|19px|||My Talk]] BaineTheBotter  14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree : I gave away 3 mini pigs I got last year, only to see this now. That was certainly a surprise, altough not a happy one. So much for generosity :( Sekoria 19:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps next time ANET will think before it programs, hmm? And with the mini pigs being removed from the game via this trader there's also a source of HoM minis going too.  Lucky I put mine in before I sold it.  If I knew mini pigs were so overpopulated that it was coming out of everyone's ear I would have grabbed more when I had the chance. House Of Furyan 12:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

New NPC?
Tien the Lamplighter tells the story of the lanterns or something in Lion's Arch. - B e X   01:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He was there last year. -- Gordon Ecker 04:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenies or it didn't happen. ;) Barinthus 08:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The other wiki had him in place last year! -- BramStoker (talk, contribs) 10:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe... I actually, I think I DO have screen shots of him last year. As to where they are.... -- Lord Ehzed 02:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ;) Great! Do please consider making a page! Barinthus 08:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

roller beetle racing bs!!!
Now this is totally unfair,quite a few times alrdy this year i ran into some of those people on the top hunred list multiple times and they are doing the same thing as last year-botting and running the same path step for step,they wont talk til after the race supporting them being a bot more, but now its even worse,heres an example thats happened 7 times,we enter the race,waiting at the starting line,gates open,then all of a sudden lag like hell,finally when we all reconnect,guess what the top hundred player has alrdy finished the race,while everyone else is still at starting line.now,it wouldnt be so bad if we could actually report them,all the times this happened all the other players reported that one player that botted or hacked, all they did was spamm curse words at us,then we all dc'd before the report could go through.THIS IS A HACK, DO SOMETHING PLZ ><!!!!!!its even worse than last year and i dont plan on getting lag hacked or dc'd every other race.74.186.169.130 14:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds suspiciously like what was happening with the Alliance Battles at one point, with the mass disconnections. Coincidence? 74.79.182.160 15:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * mm one person is on the list for 26times, yes maybe it are bots..., can't they check this.  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 17:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been playing rollerbeetle racing a lot and I never encountered anything that would resemble bots. I know certain guild are spike entering, but I haven't seen any of them in the top 100. The real issue here is that one player, who's obviously really good at rollerbeetle racing, now already has 38 of the top 100 times. Even worse, I'm also seeing several smurf accounts in the top 100 now meaning those players will probably will be getting up to three rewards. I really think Anet should do something about this reward system, I just can't imagine they're incapable of filtering out the list and/or increasing the number of players that get a reward if they really wanted to. --Draikin 17:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I was talking to the Content Programming Team last night about this very issue. They agree that the way this is sorting out is not the best way, but there is no way to amend it in the short term. (That is, during this weekend's event.) The system is based on other in-game systems -- coding, I guess you'd say -- and I honestly don't know that we can reprogram this particular feature because it may take a considerable amount of time. I'll talk to that team later and see if there is a practical way to change this. I just wanted to mention that if it would take days of programmer time to amend, that time would not be wisely invested on what is, really, a very small element in the overall game. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 19:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the limitations of the list itself, each one of those times requires extreme luck with the boxes and opponents. Having 36 top times less than 24 hours after the start smells of exploit.  --24.179.151.252 19:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's most likely not an exploit, I can say that much even though I don't know exactly how they get those top times so consistently. About the top 100 list: I understand that this can't be changed in a short term but the devs already knew about this problem since last year so it's a shame we have to run into the exact same problems again (only worse, since more people are now using smurf accounts to abuse the flaws in the rewards system). When you say you'll talk to the team to see if there's a way to change this, I assume you're referring to possible changes for future events only and not the current one? In any case, thanks for answering these questions. --Draikin 22:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am concerned about this, naturally. If you have any information about potential exploits for this game, please feel free to u se the GWW email system to get in touch with me. I do not think there is an exploit, but I will not discount it with 100% surety, and if you do have evidence, I want to know of it. Thank you. -- Gaile [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 04:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I actually encountered that guy in a race, the one on the list that many times. Can't tell you what way he took though, as he was way ahead of me. Had a very bad start and ended up 5th or so that race (Rams all over :. Nontheless, I can't say I saw anything odd. No disconnects or the like. I do believe however that there is some trick (read: exploit) to getting those times, seeing as the best I've gotten was with two Super Rollerbeetle and didn't get knocked down once. That time I got 465k points. I'm not saying "OMG, HE'S FASTER THAN ME, BOTTER!". More of; if I get 465k points during a very clean run, 481k would seem overkill, and to end up on that list 36 times smells like either insane luck, or exploit. &mdash; Galil 04:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Break the record once it's luck, 3 times it's skill, 5 times it's luck and skill, but 37 is an exploit?--89.172.95.186 06:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you just have another weekend and give out the rewards then for the races, becuase it seems pretty lame that there abusing the game somehow and getting rewards for it.--129.21.100.55 01:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Resetting indent. As far as top times go, I actually got FIVE... yes, FIVE Super Rollerbeetles during one race. That is, I got three SRBs and two Echoes. Surprisingly, to me, I only made a time of about 2:15. The reason behind this was the constant KDs in between my uses. As lucky as I got, I was just as unlucky with people Ramming me or Blasting me just as the effects wore off. That, in turn, slowed me down considerably since it offsets your RRPMs back to normal; plus, this tended to happen on the "slow areas" like water or rocky terrain. Point being, it isn't about how many SRBs you get, although you do need at least 2, or 1 plus an echo to get in the top 100, assuming of course that you aren't being pushed back by the same guy holding most of the top 50 spots. The race is mainly about getting lucky with other players refraining from knocking you down constantly, and using the right "route." The "route" is the pathing you can use to have the least resistance when you're moving that will, in turn, keep your RRPMs always around 80% or so, given that you get a SRB early. So, it's mostly just knowing that little secret road (avoiding water, timing your speed boosts to get through the cave or the winding rails, etc) and a little luck in getting two SRBs. If you can launch out ahead of map range of the other players, or even Ram range in the first 35-45 seconds, you're safe. It's pretty upsetting, though, that the race revolves around griefing other players (like Mario Kart, which is fun) yet rewards players that don't actually play the game this way. Some sort of point system that's based on time, consecutive wins and "damage" dealt would probably make more sense, although it would be too difficult to implement. A shame they didn't think of this ahead of time. I enjoy racing, but I don't enjoy yelling at my computer monitor because someone Rollerbeetle Blasted me or diverted my skills on the edge of my radar as I tried to use my SRB skill, basically shaving 10 seconds off of my final time. --Reklaw 07:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ram is bugged: This is post explaining what Ram seems to do, which is nothing like the description: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3652045&postcount=281 So everyone using double ram was exploiting a skill, that doesn´t work as intended and should be banned. 84.56.251.123 17:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In my opinion Gaile Please have a reflux on the Mini Beetle Giveway PLEASE on the next event containing the races? Seeing this was a exploited bug and some people who knew this bug were on the list multiple times which concluded less than 100 prizes given away as also making it the first time the races were done the way it was to purposely be done......Find out who can race beetles well ^-^ --72.178.138.105 09:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Festival Hat?
I havnt noticed anything anywhere about festival hats or masks this year? Is there?XianDrinker
 * Just the Lion mask again, although there seems to be some confusing to when it's being handed out172.212.111.208 19:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you have to do to get a festival hat from this event?--Worldly Tutor 22:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * re-usng the lion mask this year for the Festival Hat was an epic fail --Turns To Despair 09:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Epic fail" is quickly becoming one of the most over used words on the internet. If you're that unhappy about the event, how about expanding your vocabularly a little so you can truly put across how you feel, instead of sounding like a douchebag just using popular meme's that have very little impact anymore.


 * GWW:NPA, read it before using personal attacks (whether or not they were in an insulting manner)--[[Image:User_Raph_Sig2.jpg|19px]]Ra ph  Tal ky  18:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Lunar tokens being loot scaled?
Lunar tokens seem to be a pretty rare drop. I'm wondering if they're being included in loot scaling because my understanding is that special event items shouldn't be. Sadie2k 21:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Finale Hopes....
I hope that the finale this year has presents that drop with player's names on them. Last year they did not have names on them so people who experience the lag-fest rather than the fun of canthan festival... get nada. Hope ANet learned from this and changed it... Foxysheri 22:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Finale Prize
Ok everyones wondering if the secret finale prize is a mini. Its not. You ask how do i know this? Well Gaile Gray said so. Go to http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10253652 and scroll down a bit to the pic with the chat box. And Gaile Gray says its not a hat or a mini, its something never seen before. Any thougts on what this mystery prize may be? Apocalypsefu 01:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:User Elviondale Gailehint.jpg]] - elviondale  (tahlk) 03:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

1 word "disapointed" Apocalypsefu 09:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If they feel they went overboard last year, and tone back some this year, fine by me (minis had rather surprised me last year round, add what the mini-pig collector says has me thinking they feel they over-did things). But I can think of some people who would like the crates of fireworks -- What better way to celebrate guild events then by splurging on an artful show of fire?  Me?  I'd have been happy with what amounted to a festival shield or focus, a-la wintersday.  They had many choices on how to do this.  This is the choice they made. 71.208.180.144 12:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

My Crazy Prediction For The Finale
Clicky. Post was made by me on my GWGuru account. Eldin 02:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Crates of Fireworks
.... well that was quite lame prize :/ - Tulen elementti (talk) 08:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 5 uses. I wonder if it gives points to Party Animal, it should give loads. Alovich 08:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Only gives 3. -[[Image:User Tulen elementti sig.jpg]] Tulen elementti (talk) 08:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I expected a bit more :( Alovich 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I hoped on something really special..this is just dump, you need to be in guildhall before you can fire it off.. :SDutch Sunshine 08:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Go out get some sunshine as the crates where the PERFECT gift. Period. 68.151.27.108 08:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow fireworks, really special if you can use them only 5 times... sorry but i'd prefer a new hat above this..Dutch Sunshine 10:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if they were everlasting crate of fireworks D: btw, rockets and sparklers should have a collector all the year now. --[[Image:User_rayd_sig.png]]‎ Rayd 11:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A consumable as the "grand prize." Wow, I'm... underwhelmed. - Auron 11:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Same. Did I mention I am guildless at this time and have created a one man guild just to have a cape and keep away recruiters? Yeah, that makes the use more questionable. Also, it's limited uses...wonderful. It's like Christmas - the main attraction is the gifts, which you generally can play with over and over. In this case, the main attraction is the awesome turkey dinner - awesome (or is it?) but won't last forever. Oh, and don't let me start on the leftover sandwiches you make with the turkey. [[Image:user eldin sig.jpg]] Eldin 13:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I did wonder what that crate with bang on image in the DAT was a few days ago, lol -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 14:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Was hoping for everlasting bottle rocket, if a consumable was given out...meh w/e, fireworks are kinda nice..just wish they didnt' have to be in the guild hall...fireworks don't show up very well there (very light sky)-Warior kronos 14:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A crate? Superb! First they want a five for one deal, now they give you a box full of limited things! [[Image:User BaineTheBotter Icon notify before deletion.jpg|19px|||My Talk]] BaineTheBotter  15:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * One use is sad, come on, Anet.Make it limitless and contribute zero to your "party animal" track. [[Image:User BaineTheBotter Icon notify before deletion.jpg|19px|||My Talk]] BaineTheBotter  15:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Niah. The work it takes to get one single Unctuous Remain is not worth of that thing. They should have reworked the ingredients to ask for trophies of level 1..10 creatures from the first areas of all campaigns (Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks, Istan and Shing Jea). It's just too hard to get all the items compared to what you get. Mith[[Image:User MithranArkanere Star.png]]Talk 17:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I heard that someone on Guru hacked the GW dat file before the finale and found out it was the firework crates about 2 days before the event. Did not know there were people out there that does that though....found it quite interesting. --72.178.138.105 02:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Canthan New Year 2008...
Was absolutely amazing. The crate of fireworks was completely unexpected, yet absolutely wonderful. My guildies and I spend a -long- time dancing in the Isle of Meditation. Thank you Gaile, and the rest of the staff! Shen 08:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * wait til tomorrow and this post shall have 1:10 ratio in favor of the flamers. Even though that celestial pig was a major irk of this one, at least now we can expect a better canthan new year next year. No more overly population of sacrificial pigs. I also like the crate. Now I can bombard people in our GH! hahaha Renin 08:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you for the crates of fireworks there perfect!!!! Just what I needed ^_^. The show was nice and it was fun. I am glad that you re-used the lion mask as I missed it. Keep it up guys and a final THANK YOU! ^^ 68.151.27.108 08:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Does this mean there is the possibility of other masks becoming available in the future? I'm sure a lot of us missed events in the past and would like those masks. I know previous policy was to just let people have them who were actually there as a memento, but reuse of the Lion Mask shows that your minds have changed, perhaps? 70.238.137.205 09:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The Lion Mask is not the end reward of the Canthan new year, it's just a traditional item, and therefor, it returns every year. The other masks, however, are the end reward of other festivals, and they change every year. Maybe, when the design team doesn't have any inspiration for new masks, or when GW2 comes out, they will reuse old masks, but I doubt it. --[[Image: User Elemonk Nibo sig.png|18px|My contributions]] Elemonk  Nibo  09:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I absolutely love the crate of Fireworks. Now we can also summon fireworks like u Gaile ^_^. Now all we need are Hall decorations and we can have our personal festivals :P --MageMontu 09:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you make firework in guildhals now, or still earthquicks XD  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 11:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Although I like the fireworks display of the crate I will not kiss Anet's butt about it. Though, I have to ask, why only the Guild Hall?  Why not any explorable area?  I can think of a few explorables where a nice fireworks display would be ... nice.  Thinking about it, its possibly something like 'the guild hall can house more players' or some such. I like my Guild Hall but I don't want to have to waste the crate in just there or alliance guild halls.   House Of Furyan 13:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is they need to at firework in a town ore explore first and this take's time. So thats why only in the Guildhall. And they want to keep the special thing gaile can makefire work in towns. Otherwich she has nothing special to offer anymore when she visits a town.  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 13:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't like the 5-for-1-pig, but I do like the fireworks. Very nice Arenanet, cool Festival overall. Nicky Silverstar 14:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Festival was cool over all .. little let down on the 5 to 1 pig thing... I only needed one for my main character but aquired many during 2007 to give to others in my guild... so lesson learned (it don't pay to be nice) sure I could buy my Celest Piggy but HoM has made me broke :) laff But thanks anyways Anet Chik En 16:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd still love to know the statistical data for the whole mini-pig over-population. I wonder how many anet thought were out there and how many were removed from the game from this event.  Though I doubt that'll happen House Of Furyan 18:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Azura miniature's are overpopulated too aren't they :D  Death Sligher [[Image:User_Death_Sligher_Dragon_Eye.png|talk: Death Sligher]] 20:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It just occured to me.. The Chefs call out for things... They should say thank you to the person who gave it and what was given. Example Imperial Chef Ruen: Thank you Chik En for the Griffon Wings. Chik En 05:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That could lead to some interesting social dynamics, seeing as how 99% of people were just freeloading for the mask. In the district I was in, anyway. -- Hong 05:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Even though I knew a new mask wasn't going to happen this event I thought it would've been awesome (primarily because of the "Party Animal" title being introduced) to have a Lampshade Mask. Then you could display your "Party Animal" or "Life of the Party," put the Lampshade on, take your armor off, chug a couple of Dwarven Ales and run around the town. Now try and imagine that and not smile :D InvdrFlame 05:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we had a misunderstanding --King Of Kamelott 00:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC) [[Image:GaileMisunderstanding.jpg]]

Lame
Well, after the constant changes that Guild Wars has gone through, I think I'm done. I'm very disappointed with the way ANet is handling rewarding the very few over the larger masses. They want to reduce the number of Pig mini pets, which is understandable, but the way they went about it reeks of elitism. Not only does this hurt the casual player, but it also hurts the community as a whole. I've been going to every event despite only playing Guild Wars a few times a month, but I think there is no reason to go to these events anymore. Hopefully this will change with Guild Wars 2, but at the moment, I see no reason to contribute any more to the original Guild Wars. By the way, there are still things that are missing from this website, such as the -50 health healing req focus (of which I have). But I bet ANet will nerf that item too and ensure I don't even consider playing Guild Wars 2... it is so silly how they try to balance the game, but instead alienate players by encouraging cut throat competitions over non-competitive aspects. -Stexe 76.116.109.221 12:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. They seem to have totally lamed everything out since they released GWEN and started talking about Guild Wars 2.  I spent countless hours farming ingredients for this event to get the same stupid mask from last year and a lame 5 crates of fireworks for a title I could care less about.  I understand they are working on GW2, but they are losing the interest of alot of players now because of the way they are doing things.  No one is going to be left to play GW2.  I mean seriously, if they are running out of ideas for stuff, ask or listen to the community, hell I could through something together in like an hour that would have been 100 times better than this event.  Anyways, i'll keep pluggin on I guess in hopes that it gets better.  Too much time invested to just throw it away. Dbdghost 15:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You know... All I ever hear from people is how much Anet "sucks" but I always have to ask this question: If you hate the game so much, and dislike Anet so much, why do you bother staying on and complaining? It seems to me that if I disliked Anet or GW, I'd stop playing it, because it would no longer be worth it to me. Then again, I don't like spending time doing things I don't enjoy. If you don't like the way things are going here, complaining to Gaile that the event is lame really won't do anything constructive - all it is is an attention seeking method. So why don't we stop with the generic whining and start posting constructive criticism? Shen 02:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Constructive criticism ah, very well. After investing a great deal of time and cash (over $500 NZD) I'd personally like to see Anet really review its products before releasing them to the gaming community.  Just look at the new requirements in the festival quests, a level 5 requirement added after it was revealed there was a farming run planned on it.  Whoa????  I'm not surprised players saw it, I'm more surprised ANET didn't see it before they released it.  I would have thought they have guys/girls on staff checking for these kinds of things.   I wouldn't say 'Anet sucks' that doesn't really mean anything. Issues with the mini-pets wouldn't occur if Anet did it right.  Anet is in FULL control of Guild Wars, they are the ones that program it, they're also the ones who have to cop the "what the hell?" comments, no one else.  It's the nature of the beast.   Players not involved with the feeling of being ripped off don't have to comment about it, but those that are feeling ripped have every right to complain.  If things can be done, nice, if things can't be at least its all vented and doesn't overflow and just cause players to leave.
 * Its also a very lax thing to say "If you hate the game so much..." Players don't 'hate' the game, they can rightfully question "W.T.F is anet doing?".  You'll also have to understand the environment gamers are exposed to.  Guild Wars is a game but for many, many players it is very much part of their lives, they invest a lot into it and can feel overly passionate about being ripped off or ignored by Anet when giving their opinions. Some people can be simply amazed by Anet's lack of planning.   Granted, some opinions are "WTF?" or "This sucks!" and aren't very constructive.  Players don't have to play, yes that's true, but players don't have to sit there after investing so much and go "Oh, well, it's the way it has to be".  Plus, losing players not isn't very good for business.  Like I said down the page to you a player it just a player to Anet a player is a customer.
 * Yes, I write a lot. Thanks for reading.  I'll stop now :D  House Of Furyan 09:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Where did I say that I still played? I log on about once a month to check out the changes, that isn't really playing. I voice my opinion in the hopes that someone from ANet reads it and sees the error of their ways. Or maybe some other users agree with me and decide to stop playing too. If someone never voiced their opinion then nothing would change. This IS constructive criticism, I'm saying that rewarding people who horde items and are not charitable is the wrong way to go about the game, instead they should promote sharing and give benefits to everyone, not select few. -Stexe (on diff computer) 38.115.60.50 23:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Roller Beetle Racing
I have done over 200 roller beetle races and still cannot make the top 100. I understand that there is a certian amount of luck involved to get Super Rollar Beetle and echo in the right places. When I got super rollar beetle and echo in the cave and another super rollar beetle latter on, and used them at the major slow down spot, and not being KDed I got 471k points. I can imagine with a bit of luck and skill you can get the top scores that are there in the top score list. But for one person to have 30 spots in that list and other people numerous spots, it begs the question what is going on. There is no way that someone can get that lucky that much. It would be nice to able to observe such races since they are pvp to understand how people consistantly do so well all the time.--129.21.100.55 20:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I kinda agree. It would require luck (as in, no-kd and 2 SRB + 2 echo at least) to get a high score. Getting a top score would be too much luck (as in no-kd, 2srb+2echo, and +1 or 2 other srb). But getting 10+ top scores requires something else than skill and luck. My votes go for "sync-enter and making all the clones leave", since i think they fixed the exploit that allowed users to disconnect other users, but...--Fighterdoken 20:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Is it 6 million players playing guild wars at the moment? Anyway it's alot of people I know that, and even though some may not be playing anymore there are still alot of players active, and determined to get in that top 100. But with so many players how can one indivdual get in so many times? I counted one of the players scores in this years festival and they were listed 48 times! Who knows, maybe they really are just that lucky, it just seems so very odd though. :P -- Alien [[Image:User Alien Sig.png]] 19:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me...
That no matter what Arena.net does, all they are going to hear are constant complaints. Half this page is full of complaints about the Celestial Pigs. Guess what? With the introduction of the Party Animal title track, one can easily sell fireworks and be able to afford a celestial pig in under a day. Having started out with 11K and only one pig, it took me all of 6 hours to buy another 4 pigs (Each 20K) and have my celestial. I've yet to buy a Celestial Rat, but I'm certain that with my 5K and a bit of time, I can make enough to get one.

The Crate of Fireworks? My guild loves them. We each have about 20 so far, so it's not like we're going to be running out of them any time soon. Unlimited use would be overkill, in my opinion. The Party Animal track? It changes nothing. It's still hard to get (1 million gold), so it doesn't affect KoaBD that much. If you can't afford it, well, it's no different from a week ago when it didn't exist at all, now is it?

I find it slightly humourous that people are going nuts over small things that don't change anything. I've even seen people swearing to boycott GW2 because there wasn't a new mask this year. Again, guess what? Arena.net didn't need to host this event. If they didn't host the event at all, some people would be disappointed, and that's it. There would be no threats of boycotts, no mass complaints, nothing. Yet it seems that half of the players are angry simply because they were given a treat. Marin Alacet 21:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Beggars can't be choosers. I'm perfectly fine with the event, with no mask. I like the title track, it's long been asked for. The Crates are very nice, I'll get some fun out of them. Thanks Anet,  Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marin, you speak for many of us. I was very satisfied with this event, even if I can't afford to do much with my part animal track. The fireworks are really awesome, and the introduction of 2 new minis in one event was pretty dang amazing. I spent less than 20k total getting my mini C pig, I was simply quick to see that they would jump n value after the update and went and bought mine rather quickly. I'm glad that the prices of normal pigs have gone up too, it seemed a little pointless having so many minis that were worth less than 1k. Overall, I think anet did a great job with this event and am sorry to see all the people complaining. The type of people who would leave over this sort of thing are the type of people the GW community could do without imho. Good riddance. And TYVM Anet! Ashes Of Doom 21:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's about time I started seeing some people who liked the event. Frankly, the fireworks, in my opinion, were absolutely amazing. My guild loves them too, and it was great to get a hat that I missed last year. All the whiners complaining that they'be been cheated out of a celestial minipig and that a crate of fireworks is not a good finale gift, in my opinion, are being a bit selfish. I missed Cantha New Year last year. I got a pig from my Alliance leader. When I heard that it was 5 pigs for a celestial one I looked at the prices people were selling them for and decided that, frankly, it's a pig. There are so many minis out there that I can skip this one and still get my 20 for the HoM. Also, the Party Animal title was a great addition in my opinion. Not only does it allow me to go for maxing KoBD without having to resort to over 6 days of real time sitting and drinking (Or treasure hunter), but it also gives me something to do with all of those "useless" items I had stashed on a mule character. To those who are complaining that Anet shouldn't have added the title because they've used the items... well, it was your choice. Now you have something to look forward to when you get a sparkler or bottlerocket out of the bags and fortunes, or when you go into Secret Layer of the Snowmen, now all four (in HM) items that drop from the chest will be of use. I remember telling my guildies that I wished the hats were used for something, because half of the drops from the chest were worthless, unless you were going to snowman spam a district. Now, my wishes have been answered. Just because you have to start on level ground with everyone else for a title that's easier to obtain than Sweet Tooth does not, in my opinion, warrent compaining and whining on Wiki about how bad Anet is. All I would like to see now is a permenant collector that gives items for the Party Animal track. Shen 02:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Canthan New Year has always been my favorite holiday event. It still is.  I had a lot of fun.  Unfortunately, the scorn placed with me by the stupid debacle with the five to one trade in on the mini pigs will stay with me and many others much longer.  I don't mind the mask being the same, nor find the crate dull (I admit, though, it's not quite on par with what one has to go through to get all the ingredients, though).  But the way they did the acquisition of the celestial pig is universally decried as horrible.  (When I say "universally", I exclude the elitist (and vocal) minority of serial farmers, hoarders, exploiters and marketeers -- the kind of people who wouldn't have given away their pets last year.) --71.240.80.160 03:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're going to have to understand and accept that people have every right to complain and its ill-advised to ignore, dismiss it or trivialize it. They also have the right to give praise and kiss Anet's butt for whatever reason they want to. But in this case Anet, to a lot of people, screwed up and no one can ignore that, whether they are or not is up to them to put out there, but its their game they programmed it to be that way and they have to accept (which I presume they are) the negative effects that comes with that. We are their consumer and no business gets anywhere ignoring its customers.   Like you mentioned, a lot of players are complaining about it and they're aloud to.  If every single player who is a bit ticked off or very annoyed wants to complain you can't stop them, you can't dismiss it.  I personally wasn't around for the event last year, so I got my mask for this year so 'yeeh!' and I myself am 50/50 over the crate but it least its a unique thing.  Title, meh, just another title / gold sink to me.  The mini-pet issue isn't a problem for me personally as I wasn't involved in Anet's 'over-programming' but I do sympathize with those who are ticked off, probably because I would be too.  Apart from the dark cloud of the minis and questions over the worthiness of the crate I enjoyed the weekend, even though I was afk for half of it.  Nine rings was fun :D
 * Ps, Anet's also at a transitional state, between Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, its in Anet's best interests to keep player numbers up, not down. So that means keeping people happy.  Returning players will be a big part of Guild Wars 2 sales, remember that.  If players are threatening to leave Guild Wars or boycott Guild Wars 2 you might trivialize it or dismiss them ( I think someone mention 'good riddance') but Anet won't be.  To you its a player leaving, to Anet, it's a customer, big difference. House Of Furyan 06:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Everytime someone mentions that if you reacted quickly, you could still get minipigs for cheap...has it ever occurred to those people that the majority can never be quick? Like I said before, I really enjoyed the festival, the fireworks are super, and I really don't mind the tradein except for the way it put out there handled (like with the Polar Bear mini). It basically means that if you're a good person, you get screwed over. If you've kept them all to yourself, you win. There are other ways to get it of course, but this is a basic fact. And it is the fact, not the mini or the trade itself, that annoys me. That is all. Nicky Silverstar 08:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right; I enjoyed the festivities very much because I have learned to accept, with palatable disdain, ANET's ill advised blunders. Unless you are a farm bot, ANET's constant source of revolving revenue, then you are not a customer, you are a forgotten memory. The sooner that the rest of you realize that, the better off you are. Let’s face it; they already have your money, why do you think that all that time and effort are going into GW2 without taking the time to sate their current "consumers" wants/needs. But what they forget is that the more people that you alienate, the less there are that are willing to put up with the BS and purchase a future game.Hagarr 15:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Chef Ingredients and 'Sponsored' districts
There were plenty of guilds and alliances that farmed multiples of the ingredients for this years finales which mean't it was actually quite hard to find yourself in a district without all the ingredients. It was a great way for PvE guilds to show their commitment to both the game and the community. Farming the items created a guild activity that was hours of fun (for my guild anyway) and gave us the opportunity to give something to other people, always a nice feeling. People started referring to districts as being 'sponsored' by [insert tag here], lovely and positive way to get some recognition in the community. I would love to see more activities like this in the game, anything that encourages such a positive sense of community is a great thing--Evil Geek 23:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Same as last year. It's very nice, though.  Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 23:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wish my alliance was that much fun. The three people that participated in the farming actually were the ones that didn't get any crates...while the others, who just leeched, did get them. ^^ I have so much to be bitter about this year, and most of it is my own fault. :-) Nicky Silverstar 07:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My view of the "sponsoring" was very similar to Evil's. Our alliance chose to sponsor a district and all of our guildies really seemed to enjoy it. We're not a huge alliance by any means, so I think being able to be recognized by a full district of returning players was a lot of fun for them. The community response we received was very appreciative, and some people were even thoughtful enough to donate a gift towards the alliance as a general "thank you" from their own guild/alliance for making it an fun, and enjoyable series of event finales. I believe based on the positive experience, we will continue to "sponsor" in the future, and hope that other guilds choose to do the same.:-D --Revan 19:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to say that my alliance was as close as yours. I'm jealous. ^^ Nicky Silverstar 09:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stampede!

 * Anyone else highly amused by the stampede of ppl in newly created districts after the first set of celebraions is over? As 200 people (or however many it is) instantly zone and rush over to the chefs, its quite an effect! Although I do question whether Anet really intends us to be getting 2 sets of rewards per finale... Ashes Of Doom 02:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Knights who say NEIF!!!!!!!
If anyone has ever seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail with SUBTITLES on you'd notice, quite easily, that it's definitely not "Ni" but "Neif" I want this changed, NOW! Of course the smart ass that put the "Knights who say Ni" in the article section put a link to wikipedia, that also spells it Ni, oh? That would make it spelled "Ni" right? Because everyone knows, wiki's are always 100% correct. WRONG! Wiki's, just like this one can be changed and edited by any random joe-blow. Now, if you don't believe me go watch the d*mned movie with subtitles and prove me wrong. --Rella 03:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just checked on my Holy Grail DVD and guess what, feel overproven. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 04:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ownd.-Warior kronos 04:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * But you know, a quest featuring the Knights Who Say NERF! wouldn't go astray. -- Hong 04:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC
 * lol... seriously? - B e X  [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif|iawtc]] 08:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd assume he's either trolling, or trying to make a point that wikis are unreliable (which they really only are if they don't cite references as wikipedia does). &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 12:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You are all wrong as it is actually the Knights Who Say Ecky- ecky- ecky- ecky- pikang- zoop- boing- goodem- zoo- owli- zhiv. so there! -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 16:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Victory token collectors...
Why are there collectors for "victory" tokens for the Canthan New Year events when the tokens given out for this event are lunar tokens? Did they mess up or can you currently get victory tokens from something? -- Amazing Goat 04:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, from Boardwalk Prizes, Dragon Arena, Dragon's Nest and Rollerbeetle Racing. -- Gordon Ecker 04:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure that any of those give prizes during Canthan New Year except the Prizes. Chaiyo Kaldor 04:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't get them from Rollerbeetle Racing... I've practically been living there this weekend. That's only during the Dragon Festival. ;) &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 04:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Same applies for Dragon Arena. &mdash; Galil [[Image:User Galil sig.png|Talk page]] 04:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Only way I know is by changing 25 festival tickets for 1 festival prize got a few of them and since nothing to save for this time used on creme brulee:-)--Dan Mocha 08:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Great festival
^does anymore need to be said also thanks to the seige turle alliance for having all the ingrediants for our district :) i got ot save mine and help out later on so yea thanks guys ^^ opps wasnt logged in   --Wild rituals 09:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * For the most part the Guild Wars Player community is a tremendous thing. Way to go all.  Now, I feel cheap for only having one or two things, time to farm some of them for next year :D House Of Furyan 09:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

From the Casual Gamer
Ok, I have read everything so far and see both sides of the story. I can see that some people acknowledge the opposite side of view from their own but most are not. Take it as you will but the fact is, people are only human, this is just a game, and you're right, If you don't like it dont play.

BUT...

For reasons unknown I waited til last minute to farm the items for the chef's until I could click on them Friday, 12p pacific time. This is my fault I admit. I did not attend last year so did not know what to expect. There were only 3 people in my guild who has made it through prophecies (could get items from southern shiverpeaks and fire islands) and only 1 who completed factions. I spent most of the weekend farming items (I swear anet changed the drop rates to impossible). I had to spend most of my Saturday actually going through missions in factions quickly (by quickly I mean not worried about master), and by the time Sunday came around I felt bitter, grumpy and just plain fed up. Non of this is anyone's fault but mine but I must vent as it still affects how I feel about this game.

I don't mind that the mask was the same (kinda surprised that it was because other events masks changed every year to something different, large or small) as I wasnt at the last event. Not having mini-pigs was a big disappointment for me as I didnt attend last year and no one was kind enough to offer me one, seems everyone in GW is greedy these days and prices seem way to high for someone like me (a casual gamer) and I dont even mind the fireworks. We set one off and was somewhat impressed although knowing there are only a finite number makes me want to cringe.

What bothers me most is the elitist vs the casual. If you have the time to spend playing this game like a job, or if you go out and farm, farm, farm you will fully enjoy all it has to offer. As for the rest of us casual gamers who just don't have the time to dedicate ourselves to this game and maybe don't enjoy the elite farming game style of play, that's our fault and we should just live with what we can get because hey, just pretend that that title doesn't exist, the extra mini-pet was just a bonus for those who kept their mini-pigs last year, and never mind the fact that you should have enough plat to cover everything.

I have been playing this game since beta, but I have not farmed, I have not exploited, and I have not taken advantage of new players who don't know better. But I somehow do not feel a part of the community of players who have been playing as long as I have because all who are left are those elitest farming characters who have done everything already and well, I haven't. Good day to you, you don't mean anything to anyone so stop waisting my time.

To those who say 'then why are you still playing' the only thing I can respond to is this... We casual gamers who cannot enjoy all the benefits the rest of you can still like the game and like to play. We write down our feelings/complaints/rants because we want to be heard and understood. We want you to be nicer to us in global chat. We want anet to know that not everyone is pvp, not everyone is elitest, not everyone who plays GW is the same and although they may not be able to please everyone, everyone still should be heard. I don't agree with 'anet sucks' or 'I hate anet' because they are people too. But what they need to understand is, if they keep 'catering' to one type of game play and those who play it, then they will loose people. Sadly I am not sure if the number of people they loose would make them take notice and say, hey maybe we should do things different. Rogue4ever 18:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know. When GW came out, Anet proclaimed it was ideal for the causal gamer but ever since then they've lost sight of that. Barinthus 20:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am a casual gamer and a female to boot. I am also 41 and have 2 grown boys that I have taught how to play DnD, computer games, board games (risk, etc) & card games (magic, etc). I do not feel slighted in the least by Anet. I have enjoyed this game to its fullest for about a year now. I have not beat Prophecies or Nightfall and maynot before GW2 comes out. I do not care as I am just having fun with it. I do not farm and am very helpful to those that ask questions. So this is one "Casual Gamer" that loves the game and how it was deveoloped. I can tell you that whenever one of my boys got mad and starting yelling at a game I would tell them to turn it off and get away because games are for fun and if you are getting that mad then you have no business whatsoever playing. My boys (ages 21 & 23 now) thank me for helping them in realizing that and they always tell me that without that they would have become bitter little people. Chris 98.209.30.104 23:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * if u've been playing from the start, u prolly know the names of a few of the larger guilds. it wouldn't hurt to try to make friends w/ a member of those guilds b/c they'll have knowledge of sponsored districts by their guild or alliance or other guilds/alliances. ppl in my alliance (XoO) sponsored a district at the start of the day and notified the alliance throughout the day of other guild sponsored districts. also, this year was one where having all the ingredients has meant the least. the only thing u got was a few more red gift bags. nothing to lose sleep over. the only thing u really needed to farm was the lunar tokens for the fortunes. -- VVong | BA 23:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What bothers me most is the elitist vs the casual. Part of the hiccup here is that, while I understand your point of view, a game has to have something to offer to the casual as well as to the hardcore. Admittedly, there is plenty in GW that is remains within grasp of casual players. But it is also true that many titles items, minis, experiences, and areas are out of reach to the casual players. But like I said, if there's nothing in a game for hardcore players, they will get disinterested and leave. Hardcore players also form a portion of paying players that a gaming company like ANet can't simply ignore.
 * I accept that as a player, there are some things I must be willing to do to get the goods. The FoW armor is beyond my farming abilities (or willingness). I also won't have very high HA ranking by the time GW2 rolls out. But here's what I like about GW. I can play a little bit of GW and get to finish all 4 games. That's what I consider would be the ultimate goal of casual gamers. That, and getting a few goodies along the way. Hardcore players have much to look forward to, titles to show their leetness, unique items and armors, etc.
 * It's not a "elitist vs casual", it's a "too little" vs "too much", when you think about it. You can make the content for a given skill level, and anyone below that won't be able to enjoy it, and anyone above it will find it too easy. So how do you balance the game to please everyone? Truth is, you can't. You can only offer as much as you can to every skill level, with something for everyone. -- [[Image:User_Alaris_sig.JPG|Alaris_sig]] Alaris 23:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you 100% Alaris that there has to be something for everyone. What I disagree with is what has happened to the style of game play.
 * I disagree that Hardcore players also form a portion of paying players that a gaming company like ANet can't simply ignore in the simple fact that in GW's case, the hardcore players are not just a simple portion. In GW the hardcore players have taken over and ANet has encouraged it to be so.  There is no balance, maybe there was once, but not anymore.  Right now the problem I see is those hardcore players are being rewarded and those casual players are being forgotten.  It might be my choice to not play the game constently to 'reap the benefits' but I shouldn't feel like I am being punished for it.  I am sorry for those of you who do not feel that the casual player is being punished and that we are just complaining because we arent getting everything handed to us. That simply isn't the case. We don't want everything free.
 * I, for the most part, enjoy what I do in Guild Wars (If I didn't like it more than I dislike it, I wouldn't play.) I don't play it enough nor having the tolerance yet (or ever) to go whole hog in a lot of these areas such as the Underworld and the likes, but what I dislike is that ANET has left areas of the game in the 'hardcore' players hands.  They determine the value of what Anet has left unvalued.  Such with mini-pets, armor fragments for heroes, unique skins etc.   I've gotten greens weapons and they've been worth less than a white of the same skin (and less mods) to a trader but, it seems the 'hardcore' players determine what the value of that weapon is.  That's wrong in my opinion, that unbalances the market.  There's no good way to put a positive spin on that.  That, for me, makes things even more unobtainable or far more challenging than they need to be, I love a good challenge but the game can be challenging enough without having to deal with over-inflated prices and dodgy player deals.
 * I don't want things for free (its nice with festivals) but I am willing to either do the hard yards myself or save up and pay good money for an in-game items that are harder for me to obtain, but I'd rather ANET have a system to value things rather than leaving it in the hands of the 'hardcore' players. A lot of players don't understand that and quite frankly, I don't see why ANET left this.  I want to get stuff, I don't agree whole hog with HoM but its a goal for me and since ANET doesn't seem to be doing anything new for Guild Wars, The HoM is the only thing  that's keeping me playing, but I don't agree with the player controlled market for mini pets, for example.  I feel that that makes it more unnecessarily difficulty for a casual player like me to get things done, I just want them to be balanced.  Don't leave balance issues in the hands of players.  I think I'm moving away from the subject, so I'll stop now. Thanks for reading House Of Furyan 03:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That would never work, because you can't force someone to sell something (technically you can, but such a system would infuriate the victims of forced trading). The only practical price control options they have are decreasing the amount of currency in circulation through gold sinks which players want to use (prestige item crafters, auction house comissions etc.), providing a steady supply of rare items and assiging items minimum prices through merchants and trainers. I don't like the fact that there are some items with a finite supply, but I'm grateful for the fact that, unlike in most other MMORPGs, rare items in Guild Wars are purely cosmetic and even casual players can afford perfect equipment. -- Gordon Ecker 04:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically you're not forcing someone to sell something, I'm just asking that prices are not determined by players, they're determined more through in-game mechanics. House Of Furyan 04:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If a Miniature Kanaxai said Value: 50 platinum on it, do you really think that anyone would be willing to sell it for the listed price? If some mechanic prevented someone from selling it for more than, say, double the listed value, do you think that anyone would be willing to sell it at all? -- Gordon Ecker 05:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If its given a value and the person doesn't like it they're just being greedy. They could try to sell it for double but the buyer would know its value as it would say and stop scammers or rip-off artists who generally target the less informed.  Also, you don't have to sell.  Such a mechanic would just give things definable value.  Whats wrong with that?   Additional, given the nature of the mini-pet you mentioned, its colour (green) and the fact that they're supposed to be only 28 in the game total  a massive fixed price could be had and would befit the price. House Of Furyan 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * the only way to control high prices is to have ZERO trading between players. the only trading that could happen is w/ an npc trader who buys/sells at predetermined prices. otherwise, players will define their own prices regardless of what the trader's price. -- VVong | BA 06:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What's a "reasonable", non-"greedy" price for something that rare? Is not being able to get a Miniature Kanaxai or one of the other ultra-rare miniatures because no one wants to sell it any better than not being able to get a Miniature Kanaxai because you can't afford it? Either way, over 99.99% of the players have no hope of ever getting one. Regarding the miniature celestial pig and miniature celestial rat, what I think they should do is give lunar fortunes a small chance of dropping miniatures from previous years to provide a more steady annual supply of pigs, rats and future Canthan New Year miniatures. -- Gordon Ecker 06:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I never heard of the Kanaxai until a little while ago, Anet could set quite a high price for it, 1000K / higher/ lower / whatever, just cos its that rare its not funny and, personally, a massive price like that I'd expect for something like that. If you're going to get rid of something that rare you should get a lot. Actually, gordon, that last part you mentioned doesn't sound that bad. Next year having a chance to get one of the prior ones and a new one (maybe) would be pretty cool. They could have a whole festival celestial set, that would be nice, just due to the theme of the event. House Of Furyan 07:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Surely the reward of being a casual gamer is playing the missions and doing the quests, any reward you offer for anything a casual gamer does is surely worthless because everyone will have it. As for casual gamer and this event, you could stand afk for 24 hours on sunday not having done anything and so long as you were in the right district, you would probably come back to find your bag full of fireworks, lion masks and red gift bags. How much more casual can you get? -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 19:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition regarding ultra rare miniatures, casual gamers have a chance of getting one, they had to enter a competition like everyone else. If they made the rare items common, the casual gamer would not care just like everyone else, thus making the whole point moot. Ultra rare items aren't desirable because they are pretty, they are desirable because of the rarity. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 19:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And finally the argument about "not getting things done" because of the price, that is ridiculous, everything that is expensive is about vanity, you get no extra bonus from having these things, FoW armor doesn't make you any better at PvE or PvP and the same goes for rare weapons, they do the job and you get things done exactly the same with the versions that cost next to nothing. You don't "need" a Miniature Kanaxai for anything, at all, you just want one... -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 20:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Festival Quests and Heroes
I believe that I observed that Festival quests did not give xp to heroes. Usually, accepting quest rewards, either in town or in explorable, gives xp to heroes in your party. With over 20k xp from the whole set of quests, I would expect any non-level 20 heroes to have levelled at least once. I do not believe that I observed this. Adeira Tasharo 19:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)