Talk:Gods of Tyria

Can anyone point out the gods being referred to as the "old" gods outside of white mantle's influence? If not then the note should be removed or changed. - FireFox  20:32, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * I just googled it. Turai Ossa used the term in The Amnoon Oasis. -- Gordon Ecker 02:23, 23 February 2007 (EST)
 * Shouldn't there just be a list of all of the Gods, old or not?&mdash; BlackGeneral [[Image:Blackgeneralstar.png|19px]] (talk|contribs) 09:41, 4 March 2007 (EST)


 * No, the five true gods are the only ones called "Gods of Tyria" in-game. All the other entities refered to as gods or with god-like powers are listed in the Gods article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:11, 4 March 2007 (EST)
 * The 6 god pantheon are called four distinctive names, the "Old Gods" *mostly in Prophecies* the "True Gods", "The Five*later Six* Gods", and the "Gods of Tyria". However, having two different articles, one having the same, and more, than the other is pointless in my opinion. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 04:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Edit: Failed to notice that the two different articles were already merged. Been spending too much time on GW2W, which has them as different articles. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 04:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The Unknown God
This could refear to Arachnia, an Old Spider God. Possibly Abbadon knew he was going to be destroyed by the other Gods, so he decided to create a new God, but he was defeat and banished. When his chains were weakened, he attempted to create it again but was defeated and his power was taken by Kormir. Where he was creating it was possibly The Spider's Heart, which I think is in the middle of Arachnia Plateau. Treesbyty 17:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The unknown god would be Abaddon's precessesor - as in, came before *hence the pre- suffixe - not after like you are believing. But I do agree that it could be Arachnia, however Arachnia is not even canon and we cannot add it *except for maybe a Note*. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 04:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Other pantheon?
I'm not aware of any official sources which claim that another pantheon created Tyria or the Forgotten, or any other official information about their origin. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like someone pushing fan speculation, as attested by the weasel wording. May as well remove until someone actually peresents some evidence. Backsword 03:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That is, indeed, fan speculation. The idea goes that there are multiple generations of gods, always being suplanted. In this case, Dhuum and - if she exists - Arachnia, possibly Abaddon as well, would be part of the previous Pantheon. But that isn't attributed to the Forgotten's creation, just Tyria. But, again, this is player speculation, and if any comment of this goes in, it should be in Notes and be said to be player speculation. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 04:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Luxon Demigoddesses
The Guild Wars Factions manual [] also names 3 Luxon demigodesses: The queens Alua, Elora and Ione.--Torak Starblade 18:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They are also called queens and Captain Elora exists. It may be that these three are just the original names of the clan captains. Will have to look into this more though. -- Konig/ talk 21:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Realms
I thought that, since Balthazar and Grenth got their own realms, namely the Underwolrd and FoW, that maybe in GW2 the other 3 ones will also have their own realm. Dwayna would have something that represent heaven, melandru some holy garden and lyssa would have something like the shivering isles, in oblivion. That wuld be cool :) -- Magamdy 14:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean Dwayna would get heaven? (meantioned Lyssa twice). Sure would be awesome if they did :D C4K3 [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]] Talk 14:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

OOPS, yes Dwayna XD, thnx for hte correction :3 -- Magamdy 18:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * While we don't see Dwayna's Realm, we may have seen the name: Eternal Paradise. And I wouldn't be so sure that we'll get to go to all 6 gods' realms. There would need to be a point (i.e., a threat in lore) to go there. -- Konig/ talk 21:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Kormir
Why is kormir an old god when she was added after nightfall --
 * The term "Old Gods" is one of many names (others being True Gods, Five/Six Gods, Human Gods) used for the god pantheon of Balthazar, Dwayna, Grenth, Lyssa, and Melandru, then later Abaddon as well, then even later for Kormir. The term "Old Gods" is only used during Prophecies. So in a way she is and is not part of the moniker "Old Gods." She is part of the group, but wasn't when the gods were called the Old Gods. -- Konig / talk 04:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Should this be noted somewhere? --Falconeye 05:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * General Morgahn prays to Balthazar when he goes into battle, unusually Hayda asks for Kormir's blessing. That may be the proof for Paragons praying to the Goddess of Truth after she ascended.
 * Would belong on the Goddess of Truth's page (and not Hayda's page like it currently is). -- Konig / talk 05:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Dwayna/Divine Favor Monks
What's the source for the statement in the patronage section that says Dwayna is the patron goddess of Divine Favor monks?-- 68.159.162.96 22:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, where is it mentioned that Balthazar is the god of Command/Spear paragons?-- Shew 00:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh...that's probably based on the blessings.-- Shew 00:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Divine Favor was deduced that Monks only follow Dwayna and Balthazar, and Balthazar only has say over Smiting and Protection. Thus leaving Healing and Divine Favor to Dwayna. And yes, the Command and Spear paragons is from the blessings. -- Konig / talk 02:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Gods Parentage?
I was reading about Menzies when i saw that he and Balthazar are half brothers. If this is so than doesn't that mean the gods must have parents?(Sorry about the name date thing, idk how to do it right)> kew24 15:12:10, August 21 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Balthazar and Menzies must have 1 shared parent. Unless, of course, the half-brother line was a metaphor and it's actually more akin to schizophrenia or something like that. No other god is known to have parents, and even if Balthazar and Menzies being half-brothers is literal, they don't need to have been gods (a common misconception as people think that the Tyrian gods are like the Greek gods, where Greek gods had god children - or like norse gods). -- Konig / talk 20:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We know of at least one god to have parents: Kormir, she is human before becoming god, so she must have parents (or who knows, maybe she was just created in the midle of Instan...). And for the record, Grenth wasn't the god of death until he defeatwed Dhuum, so he could have been another different being before that, and maybe a being with parents.Lokheit 09:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * True, Kormir more than likely had parents - Grenth is questionable. THough none of the gods are necessarily going to be gods themselves (which is what I was talking about with the hold greek or norse gods confusion). -- Konig / talk 21:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Arachnia
is there a reason arachnia doesn't have a page? I mean I know it's not exactly confirmed but neither are some other things on the wiki--B e r g e r z  22:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unlike Arachnia, the other things have direct mentionings - whether they be landmarks found from the gw.dat or things like the Celestials for future Canthan New Years. I wouldn't mind making an article on Arachnia, but it's a lot less reasonable to make than other unconfirmed or scratched content. -- Konig / talk 22:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * But Arachnia IS directly mentioned in the gw.dat file.--B e r g e r z  22:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase: The landmark names are stored in the gw.dat along with their descriptions. Arachnia comes from one landmark description, and is possibly implied through others. As such, Arachnia is not as direct as the others, but rather is indirect. -- Konig / talk 23:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah I guess. Idk just thought it was something that should be brought up. --B e <font color="CC33FF">r <font color="CC33FF">g <font color="CC66FF">e <font color="CC99FF">r <font color="CC99FF">z  01:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I have nothing against it, but it has been brought up before (though in a slightly different manner - what was discussed was taking note of Arachnia on this page), and most people were against it. I was merely saying why one wasn't made, not why it shouldn't be made. :P Trying to remember where this was discussed before... Ah, found it: gw2:Gods of Tyria. -- Konig / talk 01:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Wind Dervish Patronage - Dwayna & Grenth?
I was reading about the assignment of patronage, and since there are a few Wind Prayers that are directly attributed to Grenth and other "Non-Grenth" skills that deal with inflicting cold damage or conditions like Crippling, would it be unreasonable to assume that Wind Dervishes could be aligned with either Dwayna (for healing) or Grenth (for cold damage & crippling)? It would also fulfill the Dervish's description of being a holy warrior of the gods, as they would be shown to be paying patronage to all the gods in some way, since right now it appears they only pay patronage to four. Ahaceleb Tirisfaell 08:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the similarity between the patronage and blessings granted by the gods' avatars, which I'm assuming is what this is mostly based on. Never mind, then. Ahaceleb Tirisfaell 11:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Patronage is based on two things: Manual mentions (in the profession section), and the avatar blessing. -- Konig / talk 13:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)