User talk:Poke/archive/2009.2

um
Dude, is there a Spanish Babel userbox? (first btw) -- Halogod35   01:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind found it xD -- Halogod35  [[Image:User Halogod35 Sig.jpg|15px]] 04:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Backend
Hey poke! Everything OK with the coding of Main Page/editcopy? The featured pages project is ready for the first featured page, I just moved Charr to the Accepted Pages section. On a completely unrelated note, would it be possible to code a short template which translates a value between 0 and 100 to a shade of color between green and red, without an elaborate switch function? Please don't answer that question unless you've got the time. Its some silly thing I wanted to use on my userpage, so it can wait. ;) &mdash; Why  10:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just read you are moving, take your time ^^ &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 13:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry that I didn't manage to get the Main Page thing done before we started moving, but everything here started so quickly.. Well, I get internet Wednesday there, so I can only work on something when I'm at my old home. When I have some more time maybe I can think about something before.. Otherwise I have to do it after Wednesday or from Uni :P Well, we'll see ^^ poke | talk 18:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

wut?
? -- Brains12 \ talk 15:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * oshit, I missed that. And I voted :/ -- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  15:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * oops - sorry Pling. Was the wrong revision I added that text to ^^ poke | talk 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I AM AWARE. Didn't need to call me out :( -- [[Image:User_Vanguard_VanguardLogo.png|19px]] anguard  15:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Poke!
HALLO! :> How can I customise my side menu things? I want to add links for the pages I visit heaps but I'm a noob. - B ex  04:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just an FYI Bex, poke is in the process of moving. He thought he'd have his internet back on Wednesday. You can take a look at User:Wynthyst/monobook.js and see where the "My Wiki Links" were added (they show up in the main navigation box under Random page). I think it's the part that starts with //Custom links --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 04:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh damn I forgot about that! Thanks Wyn. :) - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 04:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He added the thing to my .js for me, so if you look through the history, you should be able to figure it out.... --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 05:00, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay it works thank you! :D - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 05:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool :D and yw. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to hear that this works also without me :D Btw. my provider said that I get telephone/internet at my new location before 18:00 UTC+2 today.. So we will see ^^ poke | talk 07:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I hope they follow through. I hate when they say between so and so time and then come at the very very end of that timeframe. - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 07:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the 18:00 is the end of that timeframe and I have uni till 17:00, so it's okay :D poke | talk 07:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

User Page Help
Heya Poke. I understand that you're the one to talk to about help with wikicode. I'm pretty new to this community and I am trying to set up my user page and I've run into a couple kinks that I was wondering if you could help me with. I've been using the guide from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table and have been pretty successful. My questions are these:
 * what do the codes 'cellspacing' and 'cellpadding' do?
 * if you could take a look at my user page, how can i get rid of the spaces between my character pics, as well as the white border that surrounds them when i try to add a background color to the table to which those pics are fixed?

Any help you could offer when you have a moment would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. --Musha Talk  22:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cell spacing adds spaces between table cells, Cell padding provides spacing inside the cell (moves the text away from the edges). --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Wyn! I forgot to ask another question.  How do i add margins to a table, so that the text will be aligned the same distance from both the left and right sides of the table?  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  22:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the spaces between your images. Try style="margin: 0.25em auto;" to fix the margin issue. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 22:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lol. Thanks again, Wyn. Now, could you explain to me what the em auto is all about? Thanks.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  22:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To be quite honest, the em thing is some form of measurement controling the minimum amount of space around the outside of the table (not exactly sure what it stands for) and the auto makes it center the table position. See what I did to your character table. I'm sure poke would have a more technical and exact esplanation for you.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw. And it looks exactly how I wanted it now. Thank you very much, Wyn.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  00:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * IIRC an 'em' is the width of a capital letter 'M' so it varies with the font size, which may or may not be what you want. --mtew 04:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * At least historically that is correct. Especially with metal type the em was mostly equal to the width of a "M". However the real em is the height of the font. It equals to the font-size in pt. So when you have a margin of .25em, you have a spacing of a quarter font-size then. But of course you can also use other units like pixel (10px for example). Whatever you like more.. poke | talk 19:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

is it time to update?
Guild Wars Wiki talk:List of guilds by tag‎ -- Wyn 02:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * done. poke | talk 19:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

QQ
he does. so what. get over urself faggot.--User:Izzy fails 17:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear the desperate cry of an infinitely blocked user. buh-bye asshat. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 18:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to click the block button before I went to dinner; thanks Salome :P poke | talk 19:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

"Help Me!"
How do I make a gallery like this but with any weapons from different categories? --Cursed Angel  15:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can specify multiple categories split by a pipe (|) in there; or you simple make a list of titles with the title parameter; or you simply make a static gallery yourself ;) poke | talk 16:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you give me the code for a gallery where I can just put in different images.. I'm a noob. :/ --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 16:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's DPL, it isn't quite that simple... You'd pretty much have to tell him what images you wanted for him to write it for you. I think you may just want the gallery template as opposed to a DPL list. Misery  16:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Does this help?




 * Sorry for the random gallery poke ;o Misery  16:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "The power is yours!" :> --Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 17:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Misery, but this page is code only :P poke | talk 18:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Any word...
On Special:Upload? I know you're busy; just curious. -- Wandering Traveler  21:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Omg, I forgot after all :/ Will put it on my new imaginary list of things to do soon ^^ poke | talk 21:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, okay. Thanks! :) --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] Wandering Traveler  21:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Jade and Amber
Cost 5000 faction since the allegiance faction update. Misery  08:01, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? o.O That's quite much! poke | talk 09:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's ridiculously much.. especially if you are going for elite armor and need 80 of them. That's like 400k points you don't get toward your title. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Could just buy em, they aren't that expensive. Misery  10:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speak for yourself missy! I went completely broke after getting elite Kurzick for my mesmer.  Of course I am a very poor play :P  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 03:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't that expensive? What planet do you live on? Buying them makes the armor more expensive than Vabbian, since you need 80 of them and they run between 500 and 800g ea. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the point of this conversation should be all of us asking Misery for money. ;) - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 06:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Gold just sits in my stash, I want for nothing. Well, actually I do want to finish some of my weapon sets, but I hate talking to people so I never trade. Misery  06:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You hate talking to people? Lo and behold! poke | talk 07:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are not people, you are poke. I have merched things that would make people cry. Misery  07:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't let Vili find out. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  07:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can trade all your money to me and I swear I wont say a word. ;D - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 07:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol bex :D And yay, Misery likes to talk to me! :D poke | talk 07:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Using #expr:
Hi, poke! I just had a question about wikicode. If I have a template set up for minis, and then I use the regular wikicode on another page to call up the template and assign 1 or 0 to each variable to indicate whether I have each particular mini, can I then use something like

to add up those variables (i.e. to automatically total up how many minis I have total)? Not sure if this wiki (or any wiki for that matter) supports this, but I was just curious. Thanks for any help! :D -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 03:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this has any relevance to your question Kokuou but on my mission progress template I have it set up to automatically add up total number of missions completed using a parser function, it first appears on the line that includes N . -- Kakarot  [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks Kakarot. I think this should work for me, as well! I'll give it a go and let you know! :D -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 04:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible...
To get the User image tag to sort them by username instead of User? Would make the category much easier to navigate. -- Wyn 06:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Puhh.. I don't think we are currently able to get the username out of that image name.. So that will be rather difficult, and I don't want to add one DPL per template usage just to categorize it correctly :/ poke | talk 11:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool, I was just looking for a way to make the Category listing easier to use. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the StringFunctions extensions. (Not sure of the exact name.) --Max 2 21:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha!
I finally realized that most of the large skill icons on the site were uploaded by WIKICHU. So, um, did you run any postpro or anything on those, cause they look better than the set I have? (And perhaps would you happen to have the set you wikiloaded laying around somewhere?)

Thanks muches :) --Star Weaver 17:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I got all those skill icons from the Sealed Play Card Decks which are still available on the official site. I tried to avoid any steps with possible quality loss and only converted them at the very end into JPEG files; and also I cropped them in a nicer and constant way instead of leaving parts of the borders on them as some of the collections have that are available on the web. All in all it was quite a lot of work, especially assigning the icons to the correct skill name.
 * Yes, I still have all the icons I uploaded here, it's about 25MiB; but currently I don't have them named correctly (I uploaded the files on the fly with their assigned name, so I didn't have to work with special characters in file names). But I could do that and upload them somewhere when I have some time. poke | talk 19:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Have a Look...
... at this and this. I have feeling you'd like XKCD. &mdash; Jon    Lupen  20:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh :D I do know quite some of those comics, it ist just that I don't read it on a regular basis. poke | talk 22:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They have me nailed, dead on with a few of them. X) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  22:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the only one you ever need ~PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] Talk  00:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! I love that one. :) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  02:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't find the link anywhere...
Can you tell me how to find it? - L ena™   talk 21:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Answered there; please leave discussions in one place; if you want help from multiple people, you can always ask your questions on HELP:WIKI. poke | talk 21:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

? -- Armond Warblade 14:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See User talk:Uchiha Lena poke | talk 14:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard Archive
AFAIK Gaile hasn't specified whether she wants an ArbComm or not yet, should that have really been archived? Do you consider the talk page posts to be sufficient? Misery  15:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Arbcomm request should not really go on the admin noticeboard. poke | talk 15:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * True enough, but it's not unusual for ArenaNet staff to not understand the finer workings of the wiki. Misery  15:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but how long do you want to keep it on the noticeboard for just being sure she read it? Instead someone could just explain it to her on her talk page or something.
 * But I'm fine with unarchiving that post if you like so.. poke | talk 15:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was more trying to find out your reasoning. She really just needs to shit or get off the pot. She seems to be waiting for someone else to make the decision for her. I assume she doesn't want to be seen as interfering with wiki business as an ANet staff member, but this isn't something someone else can do for her. To be fair, since she brought it up it has been less of an issue anyway. <font color="#A55858">Misery  15:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On-going situations should be kept on the noticeboard. And yes, some arbcomm cases did start from requests on the noticeboard. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 15:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't remember we have "discussions" on the noticeboard; but fine with me, restored that topic. poke | talk 15:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not so much the discussion that's important (i.e. it's not important. could maybe go on the talk page if you want), it's the situation itself - whether it's been resolved, whether people are being banned or warned, whether someone is requesting an arbcomm case, that sort of thing. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 15:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Misery, the lady in the office next to me thought I was crying because I was laughing so hard at that post... haha! -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 16:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ty for the help
Yes thats what we want to do ty. now we have to try to figure out how from the page. We are new to building our guild page. and none of us are really comp savy. it's taken alot of trial and error to get it right. thats why we asked wyn to help with this. thanks again. if we can't get it figured out guess we will have to ask for help lol :)-- Jenn 17:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Trial and error is not bad, it just takes a bit longer, but that is fine if you are learning :) If you need help, just ask; there are more than enough users on the wiki always willing to help. poke | talk 18:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Feedback, etc.
Hey, thanks for your input, and please forgive my coding noobishnes, but is the tracking system we are proposing (i.e., dpl) similar to how this works? (Satanael 20:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Uhm, no DPL is like this: List of skills :) poke | talk 20:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ug, okay, I guess this is all out of my league, but would the above Persondata method of developing new search quieres for wiki pages help at all in this? I mean, if each suggestion page had a template similar (in principle) to the biographical pages on Wikipedia, would that allow us to develop better search tools for the devs, or make it easier at all to create the kinds of tables we are talking about? (Satanael 21:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC))
 * No, that's a completely different thing; that on Wikipedia requires server changes. poke | talk 21:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, nvm then. (Satanael 21:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC))

Nicholas & Yakkington
Hey Poke, in response to your question on the Nicholas the Traveler talk page~> "Btw. can you say how many different locations are there before he starts again from the beginning? Is there even an end yet?"~> We don't yet know when Nicholas & Yakkington's travels will have them treading on familiar ground, so I can't really answer that question with 100% assurance in my own response! All I can safely say without getting myself into trouble is that we don't plan on them slowing down anytime soon, but in the interest of giving you a slightly less vague / political response... I would venture a guess (as this is my own personal hope) that his time spent on unfamiliar ground throughout the world will end up being measured in years before all is said and done, and not weeks or months. So happy hunting! :) [John Hargrove]   <font color="#990000">talk  16:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, this is what I thought :) Good to hear that we will have a lot fun with him :) Thanks! poke | talk 16:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

MEH!
/wikidrama ;) &mdash; Jon    Lupen  00:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * bla! :P poke | talk 00:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, actually where the fuck did all the drama come from? One second it was fine, next second we have drama all over the place. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A healthy amount of wikidrama is good, keeps things from getting boring and stale, but we past that line quickly. I could name names, but I think I'll refrain. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  00:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I blame the election. Makes people go funny in the head. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 00:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I blame.... I think I'll stop there. Two people specifically come to mind. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  00:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Pling and Tanetris? poke | talk 00:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O.o Since when are those two the source of much drama? &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  00:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are the worst imo. poke | talk 00:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you forget about super igor ^^ --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] 00:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * lol were is da drama? --Nick123 14:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Drama, the new lotion for hair and body xD <font color="Black">| <font color="Cyan">Cyan <font color="Black">Light [[Image:User Cyan Light User-Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Cyan"> Live! | 15:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What's with all the camels? (cats and coffee warning)--Max 2 16:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * wut? poke | talk 16:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * With everything being milked for the drama, there there has to be more than one one humper around... (kind of ...) --Max 2 17:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think now would be a good time to tell you all that this started as a joke after a short conversation between poke and I on twitter. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  18:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're no fun. Here I was hijacking this thread drama-dairy camels and all, and you go shutting it down. Booo, Hissss. --Max 2 19:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * By all means, continue, I was just filling you in on how this got started. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  19:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * lol --Nick123 16:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas and subpages
Question for you over here, kind sir. Freedom Bound 21:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Answered :) poke | talk 21:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Freedom Bound 21:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Feedback:Test page
Out of curiosity, where does the text come from? (Satanael 02:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Lorem ipsum. - Tanetris 03:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! I'm kind of embarassed I didn't know that since both my parents spent a good portion of their careers in publishing... (Satanael 03:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC))

Regarding testing of css...
"I realize now, that it really was a mistake to start this yesterday. I'm really offended in how Wyn and Aiiane used the Common.css as their testing sandbox and brought out 38 edits with multiple completely different looks, and without making it possible to even discuss anything about it, because nobody is able to look at the older versions. Instead of such a changing spree on a system message page, I would have rather seen some ideas, as I have asked in the starting post, so we can actually get people to look at it. Now all these comments are wasted and have no value for the final design. Thanks."

I'm sorry you're offended, but I must confess that I don't understand why. Does it hurt anyone to test something without asking for comment? It's not as if any of the changes are set in stone, nor does it prevent one from commenting after the fact. We have not demanded that the possibilities we were testing be implemented as the actual solution, so I fail to see where the harm is in trying some things out, any more than the harm of someone else posting an initial proposal. You yourself stated that "you'd play around with different colors", so why can't others as well? I really don't mean to sound hostile here, but it seems almost like you're a bit too attached to being the controlling factor in this process. :/ (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 10:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't hurt to test something without asking; that's why a wiki is a wiki. However in this case, I previously tested and then set up a design which I thought it would be okay for a start of a discussion. I clearly asked for discussion in my opening statement, and I wanted comments to the version I set up. By changing that style, all comments to that topic get senseless, because either they commented on the initial style, which was changed later and as such is not visible to others following that topic later, or they commented on a completely different style, which doesn't help at all, because you have no idea, which version was meant and other changes already happened since then.
 * I really don't have a problem with others "playing" around, as long as they don't do that on a page in the MediaWiki namespace; because those changes affect everybody and offer no possibility to look at older revisions (except via reverting which is especially not possible for normal users). But you two started a testing spree in which you even tested very minor things like a border size, or small color changes, within very short duration; so you basically tested only for yourself, because nobody else was really able to follow it, at it still affected everybody else. Such changes for yourself shouldn't be made on a public area, instead you could have used your own monobook.css (or Wyn on her own wiki - as she already did before!) and tried something until you liked it and then, after some time, you could have made it live so that others can look at it. However to be sure that others can look at it, it needs to be up for quite a while first, and again, I wanted people to look at my initial version, but not many people were able to.
 * Another thing, which is not really related to your edits, Aiiane, but it fits well in this text right now, is the behaviour of Wyn. I wrote in my third comment there, that I wanted to change the color later, "as the "pink" might not be the best way to go"; however Wyn answered that she doesn't like the pink, and that the logo should be changed - and a short while after that, it was changed to green with a separate logo, completely ignoring my opinion and my arguments I gave before. This is really not how a wiki is supposed to work in my opinion, because simply changing just because there is a disagreement, regardless of an ongoing discussion, is not the way to go. poke | talk 18:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There were, actually, a number of people viewing those changes - in this particular case, on IRC since it was, as you mention, a rapid iteration. I think there was value in doing it was was done - with a number of different options being able to be previewed by about 5-10 people quickly, it helped to get some alternative ideas in mind. You're more than welcome to revert back to your original proposal if you think it should have further consideration, and you're also welcome to request that it be left on that revision for a period of time; but since you hadn't specifically requested others not to edit it, I'm not sure your initial reaction was justified. We're all working towards the same goal here - a workable set of visual changes - so let's not jump at each other's throats so much over actions with an entirely constructive motivation. :) [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I need the codes...
Is there a way I can see the code for the wiki page skins? Mostly just the code for the Modern skin, however. There is a particular feature in it that I wish to replicate, but I cant see as to how I would do that on my own. If you know how, or can tell me who to ask, Id be much obliged to ye.-- Neithan Diniem 15:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What codes? Just switch to the skins and look at the source!? Also I don't think we will ever be able to support any other skin than monobook. poke | talk 18:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Didnt work, that just gives the source of the page its displaying. As for the codes, I was wanting whatever wiki code they use to make the skin itself, if thats possible. Precisely Im looking for the code that makes up the top navbar of the Modern wiki skin. Wyn suggested that you may know how this would be done.-- Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 19:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no wiki code for that; it's plain html code in the server-side skin file. poke | talk 20:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So that isn't able to be incorporated into the wiki, like in userpages then. Very well. Thanks for the info, its helped me straighten out my thoughts for new userpage templates Ive had.-- Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 20:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What you can do is adding css layers that look the same and add them to the tabs, however that will not give it a native feeling and will probably rather annoy those people who added personal tabs already via JavaScript (as GWWT does). poke | talk 14:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Yo Jm/PageDesign
Ok, im trying to get this correct, it seems to be messed up, Tane helped me a bit, but it didnt do much, please fix it for me and tell me what needed to be fixed -- Yo Jm   11:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just if you didnt notice aswell, im trying to make it look like Wyn's page, thats the thing it should look like. -- Yo Jm  User_Yo_Jm_SigNew2.png‎ 11:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed. You forgot to close a table on your character's subpage and I had to remove the pre-tag from your wiki subpage as pres don't wrap the text inside and the table exploded a bit from that size ^^ poke | talk 14:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but why dosent it show my Quotes? Could you fix that? -- Yo Jm  User_Yo_Jm_SigNew2.png‎ 15:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A "=" was missing. poke | talk 15:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How the heck did i miss that..., anyway thanks alot! -- Yo Jm  User_Yo_Jm_SigNew2.png‎ 16:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot
G'day Poke. I was thinking of creating a bot to tag in-active guild pages with the in-active guild template, and I read through some stuff and I read that it said I should ask for bot permissions on my bot account or something, and I was just wondering, do you think that I should create the bot first, then create the account/ask for bot permissions or does it not matter? I have thought of a way to make the bot, and it shouldn't take me to long to create it (less than a week, maybe even less than a day). What is your opinion on the matter? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§   Talk 11:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and also possibly the bot I am thinking of creating could tag un-categorised images. <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 12:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We already discussed tagging inactive guilds with a bot before, but that is not possible due to the policy requirements for the inactive guild tag: Guild Wars Wiki:Guild pages. And tagging un-categorized images has really no benefit, because if they are uncategorized or in a generic "uncategorized-category" makes no difference. And those images don't harm anyone after all.
 * For the bot matter, in general you should get the bot running first and then show the community that you can work with it before you request the bot flag. poke | talk 12:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So you don't think creating the bot to do what I was thinking to make it do, is a good idea? EDIT: Also, I cannot see any reason in the historical content section for not having a bot tag the pages? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 02:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A bot cannot evaluate the 2nd condition as it has no way to evaluate in-game activity. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 09:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't it up to members of the guild to contribute to the page then if it is still active, and remove the tag? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 14:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not per policy; it is clearly written, that those are requirements for tagging it as inactive. poke | talk 15:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then how does anyone know if there is any guilds that are active or not? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 15:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Guilds are required to put in contact information; check those. poke | talk 16:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And how long should I wait for a response before I can put the tag? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 02:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: File:Nicholas_the_Traveler_20090629.jpg
Hey Poke. Just wondering, how come your starbursts on your map is different to other people's such as myself? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§   Talk 15:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He probably used Texmod. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 15:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Texmod? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 16:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * *Shrugs* Photoshop perhaps. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  16:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe...but I have seen it before... <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 16:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks different because it is not the ingame one. It's an image, LordBiro made quite a while before... poke | talk 16:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The font of the area names looks weird too, so a wild guess is Photoshop/other image editing program of your choice ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 16:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, those images are edited. poke | talk 16:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, so that's the mysterious secret of Poke's eh? <font color="Black">-- § <font color="Red">Lacky <font color="Black">§  [[Image:User_Lacky_sig.png|My Contributions]] Talk 02:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

User image tag
Actually it can now, unfortunately it wasn't done that way to begin with so adding the username is going to be a slow tedious project, but meh... it's how I got 26k+ contribs :P -- Wyn  talk  07:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, you changed the user image template! I didn't see that ^^ Well, anyway I was rather talking about some automated mechanism that splits the username from the image name off; but we don't have the correct extensions for that - and well, it seems to be too late now, to suggest a bot task for that :P Have fun! ^^ poke | talk 07:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to bother you, and I need a project anyway... I just hope I don't drive everyone mad with my RC spam, and yeah, if the feedback pages can be set up to sort them automatically, it would eliminate any objections I would have. I am just trying to make the Categories more usable, they really are a great search resource if people think to look there. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought that already, that you prefer to have work yourself :) And no, I don't mind the RC spam (I didn't notice it until yet :P) poke | talk 08:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[ That, is amazing]
<font color="#A55858">Misery  16:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The world hates you -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 17:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * double lol! poke | talk 17:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It really.. really does.. <font color="#A55858">Misery  20:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is amazing :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 22:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally found out what the reCaptcha project is all about and I find THAT totally amazing! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  22:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting, but wait, if they are using this project to perfect OCR, couldn't OCR then be used by bots to defeat CAPTCHAs? (Satanael 22:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC))
 * They aren't. The project is an alternative to OCR, where OCR fails. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, but either way, couldn't what they develop be used to allow bots to defeat CAPTCHAs? (Satanael 07:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC))
 * It's not so much being used to perfect OCR, it's being used to actually translate the words that OCR fails to translate, and allowing the continued translation of older documents like the entire archive of the New York Times. I think it's totally amazing. I actually found out about it watching PBS yesterday. I don't remember which show it was, but they were talking to the guy that actually created Captcha and reCaptcha. He's also involved in some of the digitalization projects that are putting these volumes on the internet. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They're not "developing" anything, what they have is already developed. Specifically, they have humans look at text and recognize it. Quoted from the site: "Each new word that cannot be read correctly by OCR is given to a user in conjunction with another word for which the answer is already known. The user is then asked to read both words. If they solve the one for which the answer is known, the system assumes their answer is correct for the new one. The system then gives the new image to a number of other people to determine, with higher confidence, whether the original answer was correct." The only software involved is the distribution of images and the collection of user input. All of the actual recognition is done by the human answering the CAPTCHA. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 09:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually think it's beautiful. It's kind of like a kind of distributed computing using human brains. Most people are probably contributing without even knowing. It's like a sneaky folding-at-home thing. I hope that creeps someone out. <font color="#A55858">Misery  09:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

...
Definitely not vandalism except for the people who are like, "first post", "shut up". If you were logged into GW you would know ;) 75.74.169.102 21:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am logged in into Guild Wars, I know what the update did, I know what the anons wrote. However all that was on the update page was vandalism. poke | talk 21:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But are you logged into a town? (I thought I'd use italics since we're getting smart now.) 75.74.169.102 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am; I already stand on the nine rings :P poke | talk 21:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So it does turn out that the update was more than just merely making the 2009 festival live. All I wanted to do was contribute, by first, making the page. Thanks for ripping away my contribution. Don't even think about running in the next bureaucrat election. 75.74.169.102 22:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, what? The point in creating pages is to put content on it. Your contributions contained no content, a simple note that the is nothing to read is not content and will just confuse people. We generally try to only put up texts written by ArenaNet only (except for the additional GWW notes), so having such a text without any information in it does nothing except creating a page (instead of leaving it as non-existing and therefor content-less - which is it anyway) and getting attention of people for nothing.
 * The information that there was an update in the first place is quite easily received by logging into the game instead. poke | talk 22:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, mister Anonymous. We'd all oppose poke as bureaucrat anyway, we need his epic sysopness <3 &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 14:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm... 75: I think your ignorance is showing. IIRC poke has declined several b'crat nominations. The only reason he might meet opposition is personal vindictiveness or a fear that the extra duties would make him a less effective sysop. He is supposed to remove uninformative crud. I've had him disparage some of the stuff I wanted to do. I usually either made the material more useful, or left it in my user space. --Max 2 16:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It should also perhaps be pointed out that if the IP address user would like to oppose poke becoming a bureaucrat he would have to register an account and accrue 100 edits within the relevant namespaces as per our elections policy, assuming he doesn't already have one. <font color="#A55858">Misery  16:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Coding Thanks
thank you so much, I appreciate you doing that, it clears a lot of things up that is for sure. I know that it's definitely going to save me a lot of head aches. It's going to be one of the best things! I really do appreciate it. If you need anything just let me know. --Dark Savior 18:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help :) poke | talk 18:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Signature image redirect.
Thanks for the message on my talk page. What should i do for image redirect? Auron says redirects should not be deleted until links have been fixed. Should we just leave the redirect? - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  15:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Either leave the redirect in place or the image to begin with.. As I said, such images don't need to be moved. poke | talk 15:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

When uploading a new image
Is there a way to program the user name in the ? Since most, if not all people are logged in when they upload images, wouldn't it be possible to code it in a way like ? (Sorry if I'm not clear : <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">16:42, 8 July 2009
 * There's one problem in this by the way: people upload images also for other players users so this might not be so good idea... - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  16:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, people are using the current tag, which they should be doing, and we're having to work to fix images when we could find a way to fix the tag. User_Moo_KittyMoo.jpg <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">16:54, 8 July 2009
 * There is a plan to help automate adding the username to the tag, yes. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 17:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User_Moo_KittyMoo.jpg <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">00:22, 9 July 2009

Wikimagic
hi poke! i know you're a wikimagician and unlike others you actually explain how your magic works, so i'm here to ask you about one of those tricks ;) i'm interested in the "diff last" box. you made that, iirc? i tried to find it in the files included here, but there's so many of them and i can't seem to make much sense of the code, so i decided to just ask you if you knew how to make that box... ? - <tt>Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 22:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Simply add  at the end of a normal wiki url and it will show a diff with the last previous revision. poke | talk 22:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * On a related not to Y0's question, what's iirc mean? <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 00:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In IRC. - Auron 00:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * if i recall correctly. Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:57, 10 July 2009  (UTC)
 * @Auron: Lawl. @KJ: Cheers! <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 01:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

poke, the point was the tab, not the code inside ;) how do you add those tabs to the top nav? - <tt>Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 11:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh! Two options: You can either use the stupid function that is for some reason included in the wikibits.js (which is always loaded):
 * – where  for the tabs,  the url you want to link to,  the text that is displayed,  a unique html identifier for your new button (or simply  ),  a tooltip that is displayed (or  ),  a hotkey that is pressed together with Shift and  a reference to another portlet link that is already inserted there, which should be sorted after the new button (or   for the end of course).
 * Or, if you have GWWT, you can simply use the PortletArea object to do exactly that like this:

<pre style="margin-left: 2em;"> var myVariable = new PortletArea( 'p-cactions' ); // or any other identifier myVariable.addItem( id, text, href, tooltip, null, nextnode ); // where the variables have the same meaning as above
 * You can reuse the portlet area then for multiple links, which is faster than calling addPortletLink multiple times. Also PortletArea offers multiple other features, which you can read about in the documentation section, I just added to the GWWT page. Although most of those features are not really valuable when modifying the cactions navigation.. poke | talk 14:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * very good, thanks a lot ;) - <tt>Y0_ ich_halt </tt> User Y0_ich_halt sig.png 19:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can also use:

<pre style="margin-left: 6em;"> function addTopLink(label, url) { var userpage = document.getElementById('pt-userpage'); if (userpage) { var link = document.createElement('a'); link.href = url; link.appendChild(document.createTextNode(label)); var li   = document.createElement('li'); li.appendChild(link);

userpage.parentNode.insertBefore(li, userpage.parentNode.firstChild); } } addOnloadHook(function {	/**	 * Format : addTopLink ('link label', 'link url');	 **/	addTopLink('gww:del', '/wiki/Guild Wars Wiki:List of candidates for deletion');	addTopLink('gww:format', '/wiki/Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting');	addTopLink('npc models', '/wiki/Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/NPC_models');	addTopLink('patrol log', '/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=&page=');       addTopLink('inactive guilds', '/index.php?title=Category:Inactive_guilds');        addTopLink('uncategorized files', '/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedFiles');	addTopLink('all images', '/index.php?title=Special:Prefixindex&&from=User+Lacky&namespace=6');	addTopLink('all pages', '/index.php?title=Special:Prefixindex&&from=Lacky&namespace=2'); });
 * To add a link (you can also edit/delete them by removing the addTopLink line), just insert this under the last "addTopLink":
 * Just put all that in your monobook.js or your common.js. Either one is fine, just don't put in both.
 * Hope that helps as well. <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 02:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only is that the wrong place the links get added to, but it is already completely covered by what I said above. poke | talk 13:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was only trying to help Poke...also, what do you mean by "the wrong place the links get added to"? <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky
 * you're adding links to the the bit with userpage, talk, conts, watchlist and logout, where as he wanted it adding to the tabs at the top of the page. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] <font color="#9400D3">20:17, 13 July 2009  
 * Ahh, gotcha, cheers. <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 06:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Image moving issue.
I still don't get it (me being idiot, or whatever you want to call me) why is it such a big deal that i move images under names i see fit (most of the time being upper/lower case letter situation)? After all, i work out the links left on redirect page and after that, mark it for deletion, leaving only the deletion for you guys, which i believe can't be too hard, correct me if i lack knowledge about that. And working out the links doesn't slow down the category cleanup almost at all, it takes me 2 extra minutes to do it, 5 at max. But as i promised, i won't touch signature images anymore, that was made clear a long time ago. Thank you. - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  10:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The point is that id does ping probably a lot people when you go and edit pages to fix the naming. And that is really not necessary when we talk about those minor issues with those images. poke | talk 14:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about the technical side of the wiki, so if you would, can you explain it a bit wider. I'm actually interested about this, kinda new to me. And as i think of it, do you know what or where might be a good place to learn much more about the wiki's technical side and about the code it's using? - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  14:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Special:Watchlist is the method used by a large number of wiki users to keep a handle on pages they consider important - it highlights recent changes for the user for only the specific pages they've selected. A lot of people tend to have various talk pages on their watchlist (most sysops have almost every other sysop's page on watch, for instance), and thus if you edit a signature pic on one of those pages, everyone who has it on watch has that page pop up on their watchlist, even though it's not actually a significant change.
 * In addition, any time you edit someone's talk page, they get a notification about it - sometimes an email as well, if they have the option turned on; sometimes just a notice at the top of the page.
 * Either way, it's generally considered polite to avoid unnecessary changes to non-current content of talk pages, and to stick with fixing mistakes in current conversations only (if necessary). [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 17:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And i guess leaving the images not fixed on talkpage and so breaking the links isn't very good idea either. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  17:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As i've said before, i think i'm a bit of a perfectionist. This is why i've gone crazy like this. I just want the category to be as good as possible and it bugs me if i can't get something right, in real life too. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  17:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, i think i have to go to some talk pages which have wrong named images displayed which i have just moved. So i think i can't keep away from talk pages after all. And i don't want Auron on me again about not fixing the links. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png]] <font color="Black">Talk  18:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My problem is not that you're just leaving the links, it's that you're not really doing anything for the betterment of the wiki while destroying the links. If this project was no-kidding awesome and a huge improvement, then I wouldn't mind a few (hundred) broken links, but when it's not actually doing anything better than we already have it, I'm not as keen on avoiding mistakes. - Auron 05:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the project is of real use, that is, getting the category cleaned up, renaming images that have been improperly named is just a bonus but should be done with care. I do agree though that some of JP's moves have been unnecessary but we have discussed that. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  05:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The project is of real use, yes, but moving files because they have a hyphen instead of a space, when they will be sorted by username anyway, is not part of the project and really unnecessary. poke | talk 13:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Please review this old thing
When I did this originally, you didn't like it. You said it was too confusing (among other things). I've simplified it and added more information in the form of mouse-overs. Please check it out again. --Max 2 04:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks horrible and it clutters the main armor page. It already tells you what you need to craft the armor on the armor page. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 04:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not poke, I know, but I have to agree. Waaay too much clutter. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  04:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * DragoBoffin: The information in the next section is on the armor page. (This is where I put that table together originally and I've kept it in sync with armor page since, so please just comment on the section marked. Poke would probably remember this and the previous discussion.)
 * Wandering Traveler: It's a summary. Of course it has tons of information in a small amount of space. That is what summaries are supposed to do... --Max 2 07:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would agree with the clutter aspect, though I think the information is valuable and useful. Possibly as an optional subpage linked on the main page? Just my thought. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As Wynthyst said, any kind of summary table would be cluttered since armor is a huge subject :P I think, as long as this isn't the first one sees on the page, but it's rather listed in one of the bottom sections, it's a good addition. Easily reachable by table of contents, not confusing for new readers since it's not the first thing they see. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 08:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The main concern I still have with that table is the columns for all those armor ratings. Especially with those armors that are only available in one or two ratings, it looks a bit wrong. Did you try mergin the columns to a single "armor ratings" column with listing the available ratings as a simple list? Maybe that looks better. Another thing I find a bit difficult to understand is the "helm" thing. I'm not sure if it is even needed to list the starter helm alone. poke | talk 13:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking it over! It should probably be considered a work in progress, and I will not put it into main space until it is refined a bit more. This should probably be continued on the discussion page. (Opps, sign) --Max 2 20:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A link to it would be great. It is good information. I just dont like the way it looks. (btw I did not mean to sound so assholish above) [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 20:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Eloc's images.
How could i've known that since none of the images link to Eloc? Every singel images has been uploaded by Eloc Jcg. That's why i thought images were named wrong. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jope12 (talk &bull; contribs) at 19:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC).
 * Special:Userlist, it's there for a reason. Just believing that the user who has uploaded the image is the one to which userspace the image belongs to is wrong. poke | talk 19:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem here. Eloc did actually incorrectly name his images. They should be User Eloc Jcg, not User Eloc. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * GREAT!!! Gotta move those 100 images i already tagged. No Wyn, i'm gonna do it :D - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And no wonder there were no images linking to Eloc. Take that poke :D - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree Wyn, "Eloc" being a registered and valid username simply allows him to upload files with that username instead. poke | talk 19:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Both accounts (User:Eloc and User:Eloc Jcg) belong to the same person, he was just being lazy when he uploaded his images. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So what do we do for the images? I've tagged all for Eloc Jcg already :P - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And just so you know, what i said wasn't meant to insult you in any way. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Lazy or not, it doesn't say the uploaded images are incorrectly named. And as there is a correct related account for those images, it is not a problem at all. I know of some people who uploaded their images under their shortcut name to save characters in code, for example in signatures, and I really don't see a problem with doing so - as long as the user is registered. poke | talk 19:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Since i think Eloc isn't really in real use, but to only make image names shorter, i would name these images under Eloc Jcg. And on top of that Eloc's userpage redirects to Eloc Jcg. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  19:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See this. Named for Eloc, but it's used by Eloc Jcg. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  20:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well? - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  20:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Eloc and User:Eloc Jcg are owned by the same person so imo there's no need to move them. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 20:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter JP, but for the next images I would prefer you would use the username that is in the file name. poke | talk 20:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's my problem that they are both owned by the same owner. Other one is nothing more than a redirect account! - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  20:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so? First come first serve. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 20:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont see the problem. He owns both accounts and the images are being used. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 20:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Zealous zealot is zealous? There's no problem there, JP. Just deal with the fact that you did it wrong and don't do it wrong again. - Auron 20:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a matter of opinion whether he's done it wrong Auron, I don't believe he has. Whether it's gone beyond the scope of the actual project, Using the correct, active username (as opposed to the shortened sock) in the file names allows us to go here to see all of Eloc's images rather than having to check on both accounts. It's not just about whether it's a registered name or not. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]]  talk  21:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * [{{fullurl:Special:PrefixIndex|from=User+Eloc&namespace=6] checks both? --User Ezekial Riddle bigsig.png Rid dle 21:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No Wyn, that is wrong. The policy requires the image to be named . Eloc is a valid (registered) username and as such the images are named correctly and don't need to be moved. poke | talk 21:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why he doesn't use any of "his" images? - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  21:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because it's uploaded under a certain users name doesn't mean that user HAS to use it. As long as it's in use it's fine. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 21:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) He...does? --User Ezekial Riddle bigsig.png Rid dle 21:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But since account isn't used for anything, i don't buy it. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  21:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And just you know mini, all images are uploaded by Eloc Jcg, though i don't know does it matter. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  21:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As explained, the account is a shortcut name of Eloc Jcg, but that doesn't make it less valid. Oh and could you try to just comment once, please? poke | talk 21:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) poke, I've never once claimed it was wrong per policy. But in the spirit of the policy, it's cheap and lazy. He was not logged in as Eloc when he uploaded them, he was not uploading them to use on the Eloc account, but rather the Eloc Jcg account (whether on his page, or in comments on talk pages left by him), imo, they should have been named properly to begin with. Why everyone is making such an issue of this is beyond me. I would also like to point out that since Eloc has been MIA for quite awhile now, there would be absolutely no way for a newer user (like JP) to have any clue that he had a sock account with a shortened user name, so giving him loads of grief over it is bad form. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) I know he did. It doesn't really matter though. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 21:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Eloc redirects to Eloc Jcg's user page. That's a big enough hint, isn't it? Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 21:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wyn, I never said that JP had to find that out or something, I just find it annoying that after I told it to him, he still continues to move the images and just ignores everything I said. And just tagging all unattributed (by name) images after the uploader is not a good way to do it anyway, as very often other people upload images for other people (just think of the old "move" mechanism..).
 * And yes, Eloc is inactive for quite a while, but that makes it even more useless to move the images just to include the "Jcg" in their names! That really doesn't justify all the related RC spam, watchlist pinging and such; especially as "Eloc" is still valid and as such those images are named properly too. poke | talk 21:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If Eloc would be in any real use, then i would agree with you. But it's nothing else that a redirect. Practically it doesn't exist. Showing up on the diferent lists is just technical - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  21:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) I understand your point poke, however, I don't see the point of carrying on about it. This project is going to continue to create RC spam for quite awhile, I mean, we are only finishing the E's. I knew it was going to be this way when I started it, I mean, there are over 15,000 images in the user image category. Doing some extra fixing while we are at it is not that big a deal (and should generally be considered a positive benefit, not a negative), and as for watchlist pings, most of the changes were made on archive pages... I personally don't know many who watchlist archives. Maybe since I don't have 4000 pages on my watchlist like some people I could mention, I don't see it as such a big issue. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can generally only fix broken things.. And using "Eloc" instead of "Eloc Jcg" or "Wyn" instead of "Wynthyst" or "PoA" instead of "People of Antioch" when all those short names are registered is really not broken at all. I would rather say it's a feature that comes with shortcut accounts to save unnecessary characters in image names.. And don't tell me you are not able to see whoose images those with a shortcut name are.. poke | talk 21:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * More like to save necessary characters... If things are really this complicate with naming the user images, i would forget the whole naming formation. Gimme a break... - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  22:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok there's Eloc and Eloc Jcg. Practically they're the same account because of the redirection. And since Eloc Jbc is the side of the account that's in use, the images should be named by it. I think Eloc should only serve as a redirect, nothing more. Eloc doesn't have any actions done on images that were named under it's name. Only Eloc Jcg used those. This seconds that these belong to Eloc Jcg. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  22:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Eloc and Eloc Jcg = same person therefore they were correct to begin with. They were named correctly no matter who/where they are used. According to your logic Jope, all of the Nemis troy images should be moved to Aiden The Aged. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 22:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Who cares. Stop creating drama over something that doesn't actually matter. It does not hurt anyone to have the images named as they are, so seriously, leave it be. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, alright! But what you said on my talkpage poke, i'm not allowed to move images that have a typo in image's name by accident, if that typo user exists. And who's to decide if it's typo or not, if you can't ask it from the user himself? :S - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  09:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And Aiine, poke seems to care. He is the one who started to discuss this in the first place. And Drogo, what comes to Aiden The Aged's images, i tried to move those back under Nemis troy before anyone said anything about it, but Wyn said otherwise. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  09:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this . I'm not allowed to move it since there's a registered user Fred. Remember, you said that uploader or the user who uses the image doesn't matter. Surely Ozien doesn't own Fred, but does it make any difference. Seriously, this is so complicate shit that we should have rules for these O.o - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  10:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with Aiiane, no need for more drama. I think everyone should take a second to calm down. Jope- use common sense, don't tell me you don't see a difference in the case you just linked and the earlier ones that were mentioned here. You're doing a good thing, don't let this minor issue turn into more of a mess then it already is. Poke (& co.), take a deep breath and lay off the guy a bit, he's just doing what he can for the betterment of this wiki and doesn't deserve some of the attitude shown towards him. Can we all agree - no more moving images due to minor issues, yes more moving images when actually needed. That's all, thank you. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: 'Lucida Handwriting', cursive"> Nate User Nate Alluran MyTalkPage.png 10:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just begin to feel that poke doesn't really rest until he founds a way to ban me from this wiki... - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  10:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And when i use my common sense, like with Eloc Jcg, that's when poke is bound to raise his voice. Common sense seems to be pretty different on different people. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  10:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 10:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If he's going to do something as drastic as moving/renaming tons of images, he needs to do it right. The simple act of him doing it doesn't excuse him from criticism. I'd say the only person making drama out if it is JP, who, instead of saying "okay, I'll do it right next time," comes up with any excuse possible to defend the way he did it.
 * Also, JP, think about what you're going to say before you hit save page, so you don't have stuff like three posts in a row all replying to the same person. That's partly what the show preview button is for. And if nobody's responded yet, don't add more indents for no reason, just add the new info to your original post.
 * And three edit conflicts later, I find that JP proved my point. - Auron 11:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * JP, you are not disallowed to continue; I asked you to stop these unnecessary moves, so I, personally, would like you to stop.
 * "to move images that have a typo in image's name by accident, if that typo user exists" - If the user exists, just leave the images where they are. Really, that makes it easier for you, as you don't have to move that many images and fix all usages, and easier for us, as the unnecessary moves go away and nobody is pinging watchlists for no reason any longer. So please, just leave the images alone, they don't hurt anybody if there are tiny mistakes or different usernames. poke | talk 11:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So we might just forget the whole image formation then... And i want to add what i said before that in case where image has username typo and that typo user exists, but isn't meant to have anything to do with this user, i'm not allowed to move the image? That's.... arrrgghhh! - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  12:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How would you know that the image has nothing to do with that user? A lot people upload images for other users.
 * And no; there is a good reasoning behind the image naming rule, but changing all those image, where it is obvious what it would mean is just senseless. The main reason behind that is being able to tell from the image name whom the image belongs to, not to make the images browsable in a category. poke | talk 14:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, i give up. No hard feelings? I don't, though i was pretty mad at some point :D - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px]] <font color="Black">Talk  18:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Pokeles
As resident genius, I ask you this:

1. How many muffins can fit in the Bundestag.

2. How may I make a page into a signature?

With love, Moo. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moo Kitty (talk &bull; contribs) at 14:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC).
 * First question still applies. <font face="Verdana" color="cyan" size=1> Moo  brains made me do it!   User Moo Kitty Sig.png <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">14:42, 17 July 2009
 * Okay, 1. A lot, but I doubt you will get it full, politicians eat a lot... 2. Per policy, you are not allowed to transclude other pages or parser functions, so I suggest you change that quickly. Also your signature image is too high; only 19px in height are allowed, your's is 27px. poke | talk 15:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, also your time is off by one hour, please make sure you use the UTC time. poke | talk 16:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Feedback infobox
Hey poke, I would like to change the feedback infobox so it's not using the skill infobox, making it it's own color, and it doesn't really need the profession icon, or skill icon stuff, but I am just not good enough with the whole css thing to make it happen correctly. Would you be willing to help? Basically I don't want to change the functionality, just the color and removing the icons. I know that means setting up a new div class in the css file. but that's about all I know. -- Wyn  talk  00:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, will look at that tomorrow. poke | talk 00:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Skill infobox
The last changes made to MediaWiki:Common.css appear to have had the unintended effect of screwing up the skill infobox, at least for those of us with no custom configuration files and using IE. Thought it would go better here than in the admin noticeboard...--Fighterdoken 02:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's more likely to do with the recent change to the infobox template itself rather than to Common.css. I also see the gap (though "Core" is in it's proper spot) on both Opera and Firefox. I will note it appears to be limited to no-attribute skills. - Tanetris 03:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I tried with a couple old revisions of the infobox template and they showed the same problem (of course, there is also the possibility that i messed up the copy-paste).--Fighterdoken 03:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It very well could be due to the changes to Common.css. He's working on modifying it for the feedback namespace as per the section above. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This was weird. It was rather that both summed up some misbehaviour. Should be fixed now.. IE seems to treat clear not really as it should... :S poke | talk 08:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

That
Was fast. &mdash; Jon    Lupen  21:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * :) poke | talk 21:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not called speedy for nothing. She still has LOADS of pages in her user space, think they'll all get tagged? &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your also forgetting that Poke has no life. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] DrogoBoffin 21:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There's also a number of redirects to deleted pages left that I'm tagging. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Scanned all the pages in her user space and tagged all broken redirects. Have at it. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Image redirect extension
Heya Poke! We've got MW 1.15 up on our staging server, and I'm noticing that image redirects are once again not working after the upgrade. I'm foggy on what we did last time to fix this. I remember that we were hesitant to repeatedly go in and make one-off changes to the source (for this reason), but I don't recall if you wrote an extension to handle this or not. I'd thought so, but I can't find it on the tech requests page. Do you remember what the end result of that discussion was, by chance? Thanks :) -- Emily Diehl (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah right, I forgot about this. I wanted to upload a patch for MediaWiki 1.15 with our code changes, as I did for 1.14. I'll do this tomorrow and come back to you then :) poke | talk 22:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you, sir :) --[[Image:UserEmilyDiehlStar.gif]] Emily Diehl (talk) 22:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * here you are :) This is for 1.15.1 – if you need it for 1.15.0, just tell me. poke | talk 07:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen Quests + Nicholas .dpl
Hey Poke, I've been looking around trying to figure out how the Zaishen and Nicholas stuff is updated every day, and whether it is done automatically, or if there is somewhere where someone edits for the current day and then the .dpl template magic word thing automatically updates it all to the main page or something. How exactly are they updated each day, and is it automatically done, or does someone have to manually edit something which then automatically updates it to the main page? Also, are there any links about this, such as where someone would update to update it to the main page or something possibly? Can you shed some light on this subject please? Cheers! <font color="Black">--  <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 10:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a quite complicated mechanism. DPL gets the data from Zaishen Challenge Quests, Nicholas Sandford/Research and Nicholas the Traveler/Research. It checks if one of the entries there has the correct date entered and if so, it displays it. poke | talk 13:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So basically, when someone updates the pages to the current days quests, or items etc., it then automatically updates that to the main page, correct? <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 05:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was the intention :) But it doesn't need to be edited, for example on the Sandford pages, we already have the predictions of later days added, and the Main Page gets the correct one from the current day. poke | talk 09:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Man, you are some serious l33t smexyness...did you do all of that? <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 09:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: All the DPL stuff for those pages I mean. <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 09:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically, yes, that was me. :) poke | talk 13:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Could you please elaborate as to why?
[], [], [] <font color="Black">--  <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 06:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, first you used the wrong archive pages; the current ones are those with #2, whereas you used the old archives from 2008. Additionally, we generally don't archive topics as soon as they are resolved (then we wouldn't need to answer, just to archive); instead we archive when the page is full and needs archiving - and then we still leave active or recent topics on the noticeboard, so that people can still read about it. Given that Brains archived the page 9 hours before and intentionally left the topics on the noticeboard should have told you that.
 * For the vandal ones, it is as Brains said; we leave one so that people have something where they can copy the usage from. Removing the last one would definitely lead to mistakes, because people generally don't read and the example in the comment there seems to be not 100% clear - for whatever reason.. poke | talk 08:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, alrighty. Thanks for the explanation. ^_^ <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 09:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) poke | talk 09:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey poke, do you think you could do me a quick favor?
I just have one question, and mayhaps one small request, if you know how. ~.~

Firstly, is there any way to make a number increase based upon an ordered list? (see here, look at the header name. I have to manually edit that EVERY time. -.-)

Secondly, is there a way to just but a guest book independently with a comment / name / submit button as an object on the main userpage itself? I've seen one somewhere, but I don't recall where. Thanks in advance. ~Ryuu [ Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 08:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * About the first thing, no I don't think that is possible, well it might be possible with a lot DPL tricks, but I doubt it is worth the effort and it would require people to sign in a completely different way.. For the second thing the only possibility to do that is by adding a new section, with a level 2 header, but I doubt you want to do that. You can make use of the create-button extension to add a submit-like button, but that will start the creation of a new page, which is most probably also not something you want.. poke | talk 09:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I could've sworn I've seen a user with a "guestbook" on their main userspace on here somewhere. Is there anyway to use formatting to create an illusion of one? ~Ryuu [[Image:User_Ryuu_Desu_Sig.png|18px]][  Talk  |  Meow :3  ] 09:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas the Traveler
Is sysop level protection really necessary, considering all the vandalism I'm spotting is coming from IPs? Or are you trying to prevent people from registering just to vandalise the page? &mdash; Jon    Lupen  20:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was just a quick protection, I didn't care about how I protected. poke | talk 20:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  20:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

zzz
what made the templates redundant (i.e. is there another one I didn't see or should I move it to my namespace)? -- Armond Warblade 20:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhm, read the deletion reason? poke | talk 20:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Psh, I'm supposed to click links in my watchlist instead of reading the edit summary?
 * Though I have to point out tl in that case... Probably to no effect, but still.
 * Also, you'd subst it, obviously. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 02:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

joo work fast.
Thanks for getting rid of those all quick-like.--  anguard  23:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * heh, you're welcome ^^ poke | talk 23:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article
It has been 2.5 weeks now roughly, time to change. *unless you just want to change at the start of week three*. Just giving a heads up. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 15:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I always forget about that :S – I'll update it on monday now, seems more appropriate ^^ poke | talk 14:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can see how it's easy to forget. You should make a nice big post-it near your computer. "Update Featured Article when Nicholas changes." :P -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 22:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nicholas changes every week, but the featured articles only every second week, so it's not that easy :P poke | talk 22:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why I think it should be every week for the featured article. But meh, people are not active enough in voting or nominating articles. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 00:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We simply won't have enough articles then.. poke | talk 10:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, I implied that (or tried to) with the second sentence. :P But either way, as I recall saying before, eventually we'll run out of "good" articles either way and long after that, will have to restart the articles. *Random thought* would be nice that, if we can find all the "long" articles, make sure they are nicely written and good to the eye and useful, then set up a problem similar to Nicholas the Traveler - having the whole list recycle and change automatically. If that is even possible on the wiki (I know I have no clue). But we couldn't set that up for some time, due to the time it would take to "fix" so many articles, like I said, was just a random thought. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 11:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Special:LongPages? :) poke | talk 11:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking that. :P Maybe I'll go through sometime for the main namespace articles and spruce them up then nominate them. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 14:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

GWW Twitter
Hey Poke, I noticed that twitter didn't update with yesterday's Z-quests. Just thought you'd want to know. Good luck with your upcoming exam! --Freedom Bound 12:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, there was actually a Twitter connection problem I already noticed yesterday. Though I hoped it would solve itself with a later execution, but it didn't. However the problem should be fixed now, it will now correctly retry it on connection problems. poke | talk 14:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure if it was intended, but the twitter announcement that came through for the Bureaucrat election didn't have a link. --Freedom Bound 16:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhm, it had? poke | talk 16:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weird. I used the gadget for the google homepage that you linked to (somewhere). There was no link at the end, and the item ended at "bureaucrat". Must have been truncated. Thanks anyway.--Freedom Bound 17:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Slayer0736
It's clear that this user isn't going to archive it. I waited, reverted his talk page back, since he didn't do anything. And then he goes straight to remove all of it again. That's why i think he isn't going to do it. - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  22:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that nobody is required to archive; people are just not allowed to remove content from talk pages. Archiving for others doesn't make the user's actions better and especially if the user doesn't know about it, it doesn't help at all in understanding that he isn't allowed to remove content. poke | talk 22:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go tell him then, because he isn't going to keep those comments anywhere it seems. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] <font color="Black">Talk  23:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't want to hear a comment now, Jope... <_< poke | talk 23:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok... Then how do I archive, young lady? Slayer0736 23:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See Help:Archiving. poke | talk 23:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh... Much too hard, Reverted. Thank's anyways though Ma'am. Slayer0736 23:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * *sigh* did it for you now.. poke | talk 23:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, you shouldn't have. Thank you so kindly Dear heart, but now I have one more problem, how do i get that ugly link off my page that sais "Archive"? Thank you Hunny. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Slayer0736 (talk &bull; contribs) at 23:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC).
 * You are not really able to get rid of that link, because people have to be able to see that the content was archived to some place. You can put it in some fancy box or such though if you like.. poke | talk 23:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Very good! Very Nice! yes. I would like it in a large fancy box that sais "DO NOT CLICK". You see, i'm trying to hide my shady past.. But i'm just not good with the wiki yet. I will need much help creating this box, as you call it?ld you be a dear and help me. Slayer0736 23:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Get a grip. - Auron 23:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Like this? poke | talk 23:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ooh yay! Vwey good! very nice! yes my my Oh my! I think I most probuably very much so love you. Will you be my friend? We will have so much fun, you can come visit me in my lagoon and we can bake cookies together! I would love to show you my Jelly Wand! it's just so kinky! much love -Lorena Bobbet Aka Slayer0736 23:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But there's one problem: if something says DON'T DO IT! people do it for sure :D - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] <font color="Black">Talk  23:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be so, But it's a risk i am willing to take. ....A tear has just shed to my eye becouse this nice man that has helped me with so much is not accepting my friend invitation. I cordially love him. But I jsut dont know. I've been thinking about him all day! like One time I was peeing but I was thinking of him and I got turned on and stopped peeing. Slayer0736 23:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right now I am with Pokhe He's a quiet man, but we have an arousing conversation going. Slayer0736 23:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

move without leaving redirect
See title. Is there a way I can do that? Annoying to move a page then set the left-behind redirect for deletion just to move another page to that name then set that left-behind redirect for deletion... &mdash; Rappy 04:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You could just cut the information out, and then paste it at the new location, but then it won't be listed as a move in the logs. So, in short, no. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu  - talk  04:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Copy paste is forbidden, Ryuu. No, there is not really a good way to have no redirects created. Just tag them with speedy R2.. poke | talk 07:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

user image ...
... has an extra } in the category... &mdash; Rappy 18:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is intended. It helps the category cleanup project to sort out those images. If you add the username as the parameter of the template, the extra } is gone. poke | talk 18:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Category logic
Hi poke. We have finished the GW2 categories for the suggestions and now need the infobox adjusted and the GW2 category logic thing. Since I have no clue how to do that, could you? There are only 6 categories for GW2 suggestions, so I'm hoping it won't be too tough to get done. It is the last part of the mechanics that needs doing, and then it should be done and ready to open to the masses, which I'd like to see happen early next week. Emily has to submit a ticket to get the stuff done on her end which she will do as soon as we give her the go signal. -- Wyn  talk  01:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Poke, thanks for working on this, I like your simplified template and revamped infobox. I had two things I wnated to mention: First is a bug of somesort. Not sure if I am doing it wrong or what, but I went ahead and redid my test suggestion to use the new template. For some reason the lists no longer display my chosen subcategories. I tried purging the server but it still doesn't work. Not sure what the issue is.
 * Second, I was wondering if the infobox that displays once you have created a suggestion could display not only the categories you chose, but also make those categories links to the corresponding lists? If for some reason that's not possible, maybe we could just make the logo at the top a link to the suggestion portal. The reason being is to provide people a quick way to get to the lists once they have created a suggestion to make sure they get their suggestion listed the way they wanted. (Satanael 18:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC))
 * It's a caching problem with the current table template I believe which poke is working on today. I have also changed the Userpreload to provide a link to Feedback:Game suggestions rather than Feedback portal to ease navigation to the lists from the user area. Does this suffice? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's okay, but the problem is that link doesn't show up on the suggestion page, it shows up on the user page, so people have to hit 3 links before they can see their new suggestion actually got listed. I don't know, it's not a "must have" thing, more a "that would be nice" thing. So if it's a big hastle, don't worry too much about it. (Satanael 19:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC))
 * You can also reach the lists through the categories, I think trying to add that to the logic might make something implode :P -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  19:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

August 11
What does this server maintenance hold? Do we get that rename user (can't remember the other one) function? - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  22:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just a server-side maintenance that includes server updates, security patches and such. Nothing of that will really affect the wiki except that we can feel a bit more up to date :) poke | talk 22:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. But what was the final outcome of having these functions i mentioned? Or is it still under discussion? I haven't checked the discussion page for a while. - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] <font color="Black">Talk  22:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We added a request, it's just up to Anet now. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 23:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] <font color="Black">Talk  11:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Favour
Hey Poke. Just wondering if you could somehow do me a HUGE (I think?) favour.

If there is a way to do it, could you possibly please do some kind of your DPL magic leetness so that there is a page in my userspace where if people view the page or whatever, it automatically resets my counter on my talk page, please?

Cheers! <font color="Black">--  <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 11:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Some kind of purging thing maybe as well? <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 11:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * DPL can pull stats, lists and similar from infoboxes and categories, it cannot purge. I think you want too much from it :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 11:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not possible. poke | talk 12:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * @Anja: I have no idea for what it can do, so thank you for that description.
 * @Poke: Ahh well, thanks for it anyway. <font color="Black">-- [[Image:User_Lacky_Blue_Paw_Sig.png|15px|My Talk]] <font color="#0104C6">Lacky 23:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Regexp
Thanks for the fixes. I can never remember if pipes need escaping or not. Tried it in firefox and it worked just fine, but I guess other browsers could choke on it. About wgUserName though, I copied your own code from the image naming part, since I couldn't remember the variable name. Figured the extra check didn't hurt as it was in use in other places anyway. &mdash; Galil 15:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicks move
Please read it again, in the first note it says "On 10 August 2009, Nicholas was in Arbor Bay collecting 3 Krait Skins per gift, but after an update, he was moved to "his correct location" in Wilderness of Bahdza." and the note i removed "On 11 August 2009, Nicholas moved once again, to a different location in Wilderness of Bahdza." - they both state that he was moved to a new location in wilderness of bahdza, was your revert just a mistake? C4K3 Talk 20:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You missed the fact that he was actually moved twice :) Once from Arbor Bay to Bahdza, and once from one place in Bahdza to another in Bahdza :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 20:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohh, well then that should be made clear that he was moved to a second location in bahdza, ill do it, sorry for my confusion -- havnt realy bothered going to him this week C4K3 [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]] Talk 20:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

A friendly reminder
To change the featured article tomorrow. Since you always forget. -- Azazel the Assassin/ talk 16:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks ^^ poke | talk 17:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

concept art nicholas
I found a concept art of nicholas on http://www.massively.com/2009/04/27/massivelys-interview-with-guild-wars-cm-regina-buenaobra-part-2/

Maybe a nice addition to the concept art library on this wiki, if it is not already there. Couldn't find it though on the wiki. bb Didis 17:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's actually a wallpaper, found in various resolutions here. - Tanetris 18:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Overlooked that one...heh heh... Didis 21:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Kölnmesse
I suspect you will be at Gamescom too? I'd gladly hold your hand while you drool & watch the trailer Saga &#91;DOJO&#93; 19:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll be there Thursday or Friday. Can't wait for the trailer :O poke | talk 19:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Zquests
It looks like the zmissions and zbounties have started to cycle (looks like they cycle after one go-through rather than 4 like zcombat and Pre-Nick). It gives us 68 missions (Pogahn's missing for some reason), 66 bounties, and 32 combats to a cycle. I've been looking at how to possibly archive it by cycle (including 2 combat cycles for each mission and bounty cycle, so it's 68, 66, 64) and handling predictions. I don't think it'll really work because each time we go through a cycle they're going to get further and further apart, but if you can look at what I've got on User:Tanetris/Sandbox/ZQ, offer any thoughts whether we want to archive separately or by arbitrary date or what, I welcome your insight, and can we do something about getting the zquest research template to handle predictions? - Tanetris 23:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * On a sidenote, can we manage to get the zquest research template to get the zcoin rewards automatically somehow, now that pages for (apparently) all the quests exist? As it is, if you want to update the wiki but don't want to actually do the quest, you have to either take the quest, look in the quest panel, add it up, and abandon it, or show preview, look at the quest page, and add it up. - Tanetris 23:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

My problem
I tend not to remember policy change proposals until something that affects me reminds me that I wanted to propose it, which has obvious implications. To compensate, I try to not point out specific instances in which the change would be helpful (which is a double-bladed sword, I guess...). -- Armond Warblade 07:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * *one of my problems -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 07:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that :P You do something and suddenly you remember something related you wanted to do a long while ago ^^
 * But yeah, with giving the mtew case I was just giving another example (as I said, the first page I thought about was Misery's :P) poke | talk 08:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey
The correct format is User:Tanetris not. Love and snuggles. <font color="#A55858">Misery  09:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks ;) poke | talk 11:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)