Guild Wars Wiki talk:Projects/Suggestions pages

I've added a possible route to take to help tidy up one area of the suggestions page here (Terra Xin 09:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC))

Question
OK, so I got a question. When we are moving the topics, do you create a new subtopic on the correct topic category and then move the idea to the discussion and then summarize it on the actual page or what? Kinda confused here on how exactly we are supposed to be doing this... Oh and are we moving the topics from the Suggestion Scratchpad to the new suggestion page or are we leaving them there? Thanks in advance for the help. The Cabal Stalk me!  03:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we really have a dogmatic approach to it, nobody's really gonna get upset however we do it, I think. Having said that, I'm seen some moves like you said above (move the discussion to the talkpage for the idea and create a new write-up on it), which I might prefer as it kinda keeps the record of it as it was. However, given how chaotic everything was before, I think you can kinda just make it up as you go along and it should be fine. (Satanael 08:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC))
 * OK, thanks. [[Image:User_The_Cabal_Sig_pic_01.png|19px|]] The Cabal Stalk me!  11:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

New Category?
I was thinking, what do you guys think about adding a category for pet/companion suggestions? I realize these could fit into a couple of different existing categories (character, pve, world, etc.) but none of them really fit, and I think people have a lot of ideas for these types of things. If you all are okay with it, I can add the category whenever. (Satanael 08:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Fine by me. [[Image:User_The_Cabal_Sig_pic_01.png|19px|]] The Cabal Stalk me!  11:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After moving some things this morning, I think that a pet/companion category would be helpful cuz there isn't anywhere else to put some of these things like the pet idea because they could fit into a lot of the categories. I'd do it myself, except I don't know how... :)[[Image:User_The_Cabal_Sig_pic_01.png|19px|]] The Cabal Stalk me!  13:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that the category is broken or something because anything that I move there does not show up in the subpage list... [[Image:User_The_Cabal_Sig_pic_01.png|19px|]] The Cabal Stalk me!  14:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The category is broken, but I have no idea how to fix it, maybe someone can help?? (Satanael 08:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC))
 * Seems like some one deleted it... [[Image:User_The_Cabal_Sig_pic_01.png|19px|]] The Cabal Stalk me!  14:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just merge stuff into 'Animal Companions' for now. If the gets oversized, then we can think of a whole sections devoted to them. Backsword 00:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The new feedback namespace
How should we handle things the second time around? I think we should simplify the removal of bad suggestions, for example, if multiple suggestions are going to be included in single pages, perhaps with a "cut" template which is used to propose the cutting of a section in the same way that delete is used to propose the deletion of a page. I would prefer one suggestion per page, as it would allow each suggestion to be individually categorized and used in compiled DPL summaries. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1: Have a strict formatting policy. In my experience, typically, people who don't read policies don't write good suggestions, and if they really have a good suggestion, they would read the policy. That way we can remove "bad" suggestions more easily and quicker. Or does this look like GWW:DICTATORSHIP too much? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 14:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Could we discuss this at Guild Wars Wiki:Suggestion pages restructuring instead? That was designed to be the central place for restructuring discussions. The actual project page could do with some updating to reflect the new situation. -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 15:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Started a section there as suggested by Brains because he is British. Misery  15:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Handling old feedback pages
What should we do with these? I'm in favour of tagging them as archives, perhaps with a more specific tag. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Proceed with the move into user space in my opinion. Tag is unecessary, if they aren't in the new feedback namespace, Anet can't use them. Tagging them won't prevent people releasing new suggestions under the GFDL. Misery  06:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the skill feedback and bug report pages, which are generally collaborative. -- [[Image:User Gordon Ecker sig.png]] Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Archive them. Possibly create a new archive tag that will clearly identify them as being GFDL content etc. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 06:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ?!?! Really skill feedback and bug reports need archived due to the license. From a legal viewpoint I honestly don't think that's right. This is not a suggestion on new content it is feedback on balancing existing content thus the IP of the thing remains with Anet no matter what. I will go and have a look at IP law books tonight but I honestly don't think this falls under anets licensing concerns. If it does, their lawyers are being a tad over zealous to say the least. :) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Overzealous > In court. If you want to argue with their legal team feel free. They aren't on this wiki. Misery  14:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just wasnt aware we had been asked to handle this type of feedback under the suggestion/IP issues. If we have thats fair enough and I support Wyn's idea on how to handle that. I would just rather we didnt have to play about with those pages as some of it is useful. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Arenanet has said that they are unable to use content released under GFDL for commercial purposes. All suggestions on this wiki to date have been released under the GFDL whether the suggestion was for GW or GW2. Misery  14:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Miz, I knew they had said that I just wasn't aware basic feedback (like bug reporting and skill balancing) fell within the realms of what they meant. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you look at the definition of feedback under the proposed wording (we still haven't seen a final, but I'm guessing the feedback definition won't change much), it basically includes everything we say to the devs that is not "You like NIN? So do I!" or "Birds are awesome!" (though the last could be a grey area)... (Satanael 18:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC))

Out with the old...
Now that the feedback space is up, I kinda feel like this project page is no longer necessary. It certainly is out of date. What do we do with projects that are no longer active or viable? Is there some sort of message we can put at the top to say that this project is dead and don't get confused? Or could/should we just delete the thing outright? ( Satanael |  talk ) 01:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This project is no longer active as the suggestions have been moved to the Feedback namespace.? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 01:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)