User talk:Auron/Archive 10

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Like anet will ever care about balance.There focus now lies on Pve wich is a wrong thing to start with.If they ven fail at that i dont get why you're even bothering.I might be scrub and all But i recently watched [Te] vs [Evil] And i was stunned Guildwars once was such a great game.I knew it was better then it was now but wtf lol this good Oo.Anyway i guess ill keep my rants off youre page and just keep the first Lilondra   *gale*  17:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Ow also know any place where i can download mroe of the GWC and GWFC video's ? Lilondra  *gale*  10:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Anet's focus is PVP. The title balance update of 11 November effected like mainly PVP titles. Stop whining.--217.126.155.7 18:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I lol'd. You're funny, anon. It'd be more funny if you weren't completely wrong. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  05:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a shiny...
For you. -- Wyn 04:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh nice. - Auron 05:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Once, long ago
I used to bitch and moan about the state of the game too. Now I just play OP'ed builds in FA and enjoy myself. WoR necro healer, warrior scythe, magehunter hammer war, Shadow Form kamikaze ele... its good fun.

Anet obiviously has no intention of balancing the game. I have watched all my orginal builds that used to hold solid against the meta (Melandru war, various conjure builds, hybird monk, to name a few) slowly but surely get crushed and raped by Anets idea of a "balanced game." The final FGJ nerf put the nail in the coffins of all but 1 of my non-gimmicky warrior builds, and pvp monk is never used because, lets face it, what fucking tops infinite energy necro immune to solo ganks by anything but the most skilled mesmer.

Speaking of mesmers, Im about to learn to play that class because of this VoR/ Wasterals worry shit that seems to be so popular these days. So yeah. Try just enjoying yourself in low end pvp sometime, eh? Eh. Rant over.--Ryudo 06:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No. - Auron 07:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol. Best comeback ever.Crimmastermind 07:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * meh. Enjoy being miserable during gameplay then mate.--Ryudo 08:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You want me to lower my standards, and when I refuse you assume that means I'm miserable when I play? I avoid low level PvP because it sucks. It isn't fun, and never has been. It's not balanced, there is no competition, and it has more gimmicks than japanese-timezone GvG. Not playing them is easier than forcing myself to play poorly designed arenas and hating every minute of it. - Auron 09:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * One must ask, how much time have you spent playing in these stupid, worthless pvp zones meant only for no skill worthless dumbshits like me?--Ryudo 09:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably 40 or 50 hours total of truly random random arenas, and another 30 or so of synced matches. - Auron 12:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comparing RA to FA...well, thats not even close mate. xD I cant stand RA myself either, pisses the hell out of me. Ive spent plenty of time around HA, though I will admit I never got hardcore into it.  I can say that the people there are called "elitest" for a reason.  Its show /rank, run this build, and do this exactly or gtfo.  No one there really seems interested in actually having fun, though things may have changed.


 * In FA, people talk, laugh, have fun, get to know each other real well. Its a much funner and relaxed environment than HA or GvG. The wait times are a bit of a bitch, but thats part of the reason why the FA community is pretty tight with each other.(I should note that its mostly the kurz side thats like this, luxon side can be hit or miss.)  Maybe its just not your thing, but if you give it a chance you might enjoy it.  I spent my first 1/2 a year on this game working my way towards becoming that "elitest", spent another half trying to be that elitest person, and being miserable while doing it, spent about a year making OTHER people in the game miserable because I was, before finally realizing I had forgotten the whole point of the game.


 * To have some fucking fun. GW sure is alot more fun after I realized that.--Ryudo 13:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually RA CAN be fun.However those moments become harder to find as the days pass. 90 % of the time you just face a WS+VoR+WoD+WoH team or sumthin like that.I even got screens of dervs calling me noob because i use an old school gale warrior -.- (its just more fun then shock and who cares about titles) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  13:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "In FA, people talk, laugh, have fun, get to know each other real well. Its a much funner and relaxed environment than HA or GvG."
 * People talk, laugh, have fun and get to know each other real well in HA and GvG too - probably moreso, in fact. Look at QQ forums - pretty much everyone on there knows everyone else. I spend hours in vent just chatting with people I met in game. While holding halls, it's common to play other internet games with each other to get past the 12 minute nop timer - isketch, monopoly, scrabble, whatever. We add each other on MSN and become pretty good friends outside of tombs and GvG. When you're holding halls and rolling bad euro teams over and over, the chat isn't about the game, it's about whatever we want to talk about - other people, other games, real life, current edrama, whatever strikes our fancy.
 * When you're good, you don't have to constantly talk about tactics and stuff - on a relic run, any hex on the runner is going to be a snare, so the monk knows to remove it without you saying anything. If you get crippled, a simple "crippled on 5" gets it removed - spending ages talking about tactics on a simple game type is silly. Either you win or you don't, talking about it all day isn't going to make the difference.
 * GvG is slightly more serious, but only slightly - there's still a lot of friendly chatter between matches. During the match, vent is usually reserved for strat calling, and people are focused on their roles... but that's to be expected in the "Guild Wars" part of "Guild Wars." After all, that's why we're there - to enjoy the epitome of skill and competition - Guild Battles.
 * After a particularly hard GvG, guilds might hop on obs to see what happened - people will (jokingly) give each other shit for missing a dshot or for splitting the wrong direction, but it isn't srs bzns. Most of the "elitism" you encounter is from scrubs bashing other scrubs, not from actually good players. If you encounter someone that's acting like that, tell them to die in a fire and find another group. - Auron 15:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The meaning of "All"

 * Premise I : I play PvP occasionally.
 * Premise II : I do not use Stonefist insigniae.
 * Conclusion: Not all PvP'ers use Stonefist insigniae.
 * Kind of truth: Factual, logical and potential

Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  19:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have put "all good" or "anyone worth mentioning," but it flows better to just say "all." - Auron 19:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You forget this is Auron. In Auron language, if you dont play HA or GvG with a guild whos rank is equal to or great than 500, you lose all rights to voice opinions, thoughts, and ideas related to Guild Wars because you play some other, werid game that isnt HIS Guild Wars.--Ryudo 19:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because if you aren't top500 in GvG, you're bad. End of. Napalm Flame 20:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop trolling or you will be banned, thanks. Your opinion is pointless here because it is wrong, not because it is coming from you in particular. - Auron 19:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, Auron, for one opinions cant be wrong, and two, I nearly copy pasted that from a post that you yourself wrote.--Ryudo 19:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to point out that "S All = {s 1, s 2 ...s n } &and; &not;S All = {}". Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  19:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think warriors run a single survivor insignia over a stonefist, you are wrong. This is PvP, not PvE. 5HP or an additional second of inability-to-do-anything? Only terrible warriors would pick 5 hp. - Auron 19:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Your assumption here is that all/most pvp warrior builds contain a KD skill when this is not/probably not the case.--Ryudo 20:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sword warriors? Cripslash, gash, Bull's Strike, sun and moon slash, frenzy/rush, res sig, filler. Axe? Evis, executioners, interrupt, Bull's Strike, frenzy/rush, res sig, filler (usually shock). Hammer? Dev Hammer, crushing, hammer bash, bull's strike, shock, flail/rush, res sig. I guess you could run like a cleave bar with dismember or something but I was under the impression we didn't post bad advice all over mainspace articles. - Auron 20:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Im not suggesting posting bad advice, but your line of thought is that most people in pvp are good enough to put together such a build, when this is not the case. In FA, probably less than 25% of the warriors I fight (exluding luxon npc wars)carry a KD skill. Not every pvp player is using the FotM HA/TA build. In fact, the vast minority do. But you wouldnt realize this if the only thing you play is TA/FA. I did a social experiment once. People around my area, in my college, believe, on average, that about 50% of the american population is black, because thats what it is around here, about 50/50. In actuallity, only about 25% of the population is african american. You think that most warriors run KD because in the areas you play in, this is true. But theres a buttload of people in FA/AB that dont, and many in RA that dont as well.--Ryudo 20:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Even in PvE I don't use survivors. Actually, I use Sentinel's. Auron, keep in mind that's the definition of natural and formally logical language, that the expression of "all" does not equal "all decent". Not even in an elliptic way. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  20:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me put it this way, if I was a betting man, and I had to place a bet as to whether or not most pvp players carry res sig even, I would probably just NOT take the bet. You underestimate how many "poor" (bad term but meh) players there are out there.--Ryudo 20:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"You think that most warriors run KD because in the areas you play in, this is true." No, I think the warriors who know how to play warrior run KD, because that is what kills. In case anyone was confused about the point of a warrior in PvP, here's a nice guide written by Chiizu. Quoting the article:

"Goals as a warrior.

1. Kill stuff. 2. Kill stuff. 3. Kill stuff!"

Not very hard to comprehend. You take the most lethal bar every time you enter PvP or you're just gimping yourself. In his section about bull's strike, he says "This is what I consider to be the biggest life-threatening skills in the warrior line. Basically, if you can land the knockdown, you have three seconds of bliss to do abuse that monk to death. It does a huge amount of damage, it sets you up for kills, and it sets you up for additional disruption. This skill is so good it deserves it's own section."

Since the goal of the warrior is to kill stuff, and since bull's is (one of) the biggest life-threatening skills available to a war, it follows that said war would take stonefist, because every time he lands a bull's, he's got an additional second to kill shit. Only a warrior who has no clue is going to take 5 HP over stonefist, because that 5hp isn't single-handedly getting kills for you. - Auron 20:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because, without a doubt, all pvp warriors have read this guide and know how good bulls is. I did low end pvp for like a year without using bulls before seeing its awesomeness.  You once again arent seeing this Auron.  Most good players != most players.  its not even close.  If it did, TA and HA would have 50 districts.  Furthermore, the warrior has other goals besides kill stuff in CM/AB.  I know YOU dont consider them pvp, but techinically they are, and many warriors run very unique builds there because of the unique goals.--Ryudo 20:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The only warriors WORTH noticing are those on obs. In AB, CM and RA, anything can win, so they don't count. I won 15 consecs in RA, and going on to TA, running a wammo bar with mend touch, SA, Gash, sig of strength, defy pain and a couple of other useless crap. Napalm Flame 20:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You cant just say "warriors in those modes dont count because they are easy." They ARE Pvp modes. They ARE warriors in said pvp modes, therefore, by the equation if A=B and B=C, then A=C, then they are warriors in pvp and must be taken into the equation of "most warriors in pvp use stonefists."--Ryudo 20:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing you're forgetting is we're a wiki about a game. Yes, there are a ton of terrible warriors who prefer defy pain over eviscerate. However, if all they see on wikis and forums is "yeah lol wars r orsum tankz and they shud never run stonefist or any kds," they're never going to improve. Thus, I make it my goal to keep bad advice off mainspace pages - whether it be bad skill combos or bad equipment suggestions, if it's there, I'm going to alter it until the suck is removed. If people want to brag about their terrible KD-less RA builds, they can do that in their userspace - if they're going to talk about warriors in PvP, they need to know what they're talking about first.
 * And I agree with what Napalm said - good warriors are on obs. Bad warriors are stuck tanking with KD-less builds in arenas because they don't understand that the point of a warrior is to kill things. When a good warrior wants to grind some glad points, he rolls up a dev hammer bar (with stonefists btw) and goes into RA and kills things.
 * Basically, sure, warriors exist that don't use knockdowns and thus don't use stonefist. However, these warriors don't understand their role or how to play the class - following their "advice" would be as smart as asking a high school student which stocks to invest in. :/ - Auron 20:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * one exception, Auron- a good warrior like Chiizu could still own face with a KD-less defy pain wammo in arenas. Even I can. If I can get 15 consecs with a defy pain wammo, Chiizu can get 150. Napalm Flame 20:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And I am not disagreeing that good warriors nearly always carry a KD skill, merely that the terminlogy used in the article was incorrect. Saying that its a good idea to use with KD, its a good idea to use KD in pvp, its a good idea to consider using it, that many good warriors, "high end warriors" use it, all things I agree with.  Stating like a fact something that is in all probablity NOT a fact is something I do not agree with.--Ryudo 20:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

For the record, all my current warrior build use KD of some form.--Ryudo 20:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Again for the record, I still think "most pvp warriors" is bad terminology.--Ryudo 20:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, we should say 'Almost every good warrior takes a stonefist insignia' Napalm Flame 21:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We could just say "warriors who know what the hell they're doing always have KDs on their bar, and thus use stonefist. If you want to be like Chiizu, bring stonefist insignia today!" - Auron 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That would also work. btw I'm glad you mentioned Chiizu in the first place, hardly anyone that doesn't press b, and still most people that do, don't know who the hell he is, let alone the guild he's in. Napalm Flame 21:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Almost every good warrior takes a stonefist insignia into high end pvp. This is a statement I wouldnt contest....unless I was really super uber bored.--Ryudo 21:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like shit. And the "high end pvp" is completely false, as good warriors take it into RA and TA as well - knockdowns there are every bit as deadly (more so in some cases, as a KD lock on the monk will result in a kill since he has no backup monk to prot him). - Auron 21:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * HA/TA/RA/GvG then. w/e, Im done.  god, how do you peopel have the energy for this stuff....I used nearly all my free time for the next week on this one thing, lol.  Back to the classes...--Ryudo 21:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And AB. - Auron 21:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And CM. I also don't know how Auron and I have the energy. Wait, I've figured it. It's because the game has became so boring we don't spend as much time on it. Napalm Flame 21:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

ok, ill bite
Where is shadows PA?--Ryudo 22:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * auron is banning ppl just for lols. :D --Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 22:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it was shadow calling him obessive egoist, but seriously. Look at the shit napalm just dumped on wyn.  Hell, check your contri, and I bet youll find you do worse to people on a near daily basis Auron.--Ryudo 22:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I considered blocking Napalm, but then got embroiled in the stonefist debate. And no, I don't do worse to people on a near daily basis (on the wiki), but I'd welcome you to try and find it as proof instead of spewing off unsupported arguments. - Auron 22:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ive neither the energy nor the time to read all your edits, but Ive talked to about 10 people on this wiki, some of those that you would call "friends" and all share my viewpoint that you fail to get banned or even reprimanded simply because of your "status." I also do enjoy your excuse of getting into an argument more important than enforcing NPA.  I sense the banhammer smashing down even as I type this, but no matter as Im about to start about a week of studying as I have 3 exams in the next 6 days, in addition to work.--Ryudo 22:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * we all know the truth Auron. --Cancer Angel  [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 22:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone who shares your "stance" is someone I would call a friend.
 * I want my status to mean nothing - I'm good enough at debating to win without pulling rank, and I know the policies well enough to know when I'm breaking them. I welcome any sysop to ban me for any of my actions that violate policy - as that is their job. I also welcome reminders, as long as the person posting it knows what he's saying.
 * In reality, that's not gonna happen as often as I'd like it to. I realize that my "status" probably protects me a bit. There's not a whole lot I can do about it, so I just make sure to keep my ducks in order - I don't carry out sysop actions when feeling emotional, and I'm prepared to discuss (ad nauseam) any sysop actions I make.
 * And ofc I wouldn't ban you for that post, you didn't personally attack me :P - Auron 23:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If this guy is giving as much problem as that, theres always Reconfirmation.If majority of you users think he doesn't deserve it.--91.198.227.49 23:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I feel sorry for the guy banning me because I call him "...ignorant egotist...", I was like "lol wut?". That's Auron for ya(chuckles), can even give a warning, too reckless. My pals had good laugh on the matter so not all was lost.--ShadowFog 17:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're treading the line again. Cut it out. You have no right to be an asshole to me just because you dislike me. In debates, I can understand getting flustered, but outside of debates I expect nothing less than civility. Stop being an asshat. This is an official warning. - Auron 20:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're really evil though. --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 20:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obv - Auron 20:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You are been too erratic Auron. Auron, calm down, take a cold one and count to 10. No one is giving beef about something. I was looking at the past in a friendly manner...from your response looks like I hit too hard, jeez! My apologies if anything went amiss back there. Don't need to get so worked up about it.--ShadowFog 21:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoa,is he banned?Tell me that is a ban.We have to play fair, that is NPA Auron. You have to coincide what you just did is a NPA no matter the situation.--Wealedout 21:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ryudo, you are wrong if you assume that Auron is extempt from the rules here, let me assure you that (that includes a reminder right now that using words like asshole, even indirectly, is a bad idea while warning others about NPA) . That was a comment as a user btw. As a sysop, I'll say that I will ban for more than 2 hours if this silly arguement gets out of hand again. --Xeeron 22:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me clarify that so I am not missunderstood: Calling someone asshole, even indirectly, is a always a bad idea, but especially while warning others about NPA. --Xeeron 22:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A rose, by any other name, is still a rose. - Auron 23:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm quite sure a lot of people have that same opinion about you, Auron. But the issue is that we do not benefit from people informing others of that sort of opinions. Backsword 06:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When they go out of their way to make personal attacks instead of discuss content, it gets in the way of the wiki's goal. People are free to insult me all they want in-game or via MSN, but it simply isn't acceptable on the wiki... as per policy. - Auron 06:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Teach me
How I can also have all my ducks in order. It sounds like something important. Misery 23:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to know what kind of ducks they have in Hawaii... --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * having all your ducks in disorder can be a real trouble, you tell me. --Cancer Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 00:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nene Goose. - Auron 00:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nene geese look awesome, but my question is left unanswered :<
 * I always pull the important point from a wall of text :> Misery  13:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

How
the fuck do you deal with the people on this site without nigger-raging so hard your eyeballs explode? --76.25.197.215 08:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Apathy. I distance myself from caring about people's feelings and just focus on content. I learned from the original wiki that the ratio of bad editors to good ones wasn't favorable, so it's mostly down to picking the battles I want to fight and letting everything else fall into irredeemable badness.
 * I used to nigger-rage very hard on GWiki. There was one user in particular that I literally hated - I thought about him/her even outside of wiki. After my two bans from Gares (and thus talking with him on MSN), I decided that caring that much made me a pussy... so I started focusing on being as objective as possible. At that, I would say, I've succeeded - even users I dislike greatly I treat civilly until they break policy, then I treat them just like I treat any other policy-breaker (unless I err on the side of caution, as to ensure that my personal views aren't interfering with the wiki's goals).
 * But yeah, it's mostly that I stopped caring. I lol irl whenever anyone suggests that I get angry or riled over anything that comes up on this small wiki about an old game. I guess they have to make themselves feel important somehow, so they pretend like they're trolling me or something :/ - Auron 08:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I lold. So this is why you always win, eh? xP Napalm Flame 12:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

y so troll topic
I see that you have state "Oh yeah, vael, I definitely banned noctarch. He hurt my wittle feewings :( ". Can I see the reason? Thanks.--ShadowFog 03:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm using Ward Against Sarcasm! - Auron 04:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish stupidity was a bannable offense. -- scourge  [[Image:User_Scourge_Signature.png|19px|rawr!]] 04:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, what should I use apart from Well of .. Well? Well, I like Well spells cause the work well for the spell caster's well, don't they? Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  04:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I like wells. The body popping graphic is usually pretty neat. And profane is ungodly powerful. - Auron 04:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If it was uberly powerful it would not have been Well of the Profane but Well of the Leet, I think. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  04:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably. Profane isn't a "hip" word. - Auron 04:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Negative Attunement, gives back 50% of the lifetime you invested in weird logic discussions. Gaze of Determinism as well as any other Theory removal can easily shatter this coexistence of sense ens common use. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  04:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be like the fountain of youth for me. - Auron 05:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, omgwtf ban evasion. - Auron 06:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL BALANCE
It is balanced, they just got mad skillz :D &mdash; Seru    Talk 07:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Who? A starcraft team?  ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

<3
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 -- Venomoth  11:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * lolwat - Auron 20:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a moth; lolswat. Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  21:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I Have to Say
So, I read ur rant on inexperienced pplz posting opinions. I decided that until I get some moar pvp experience i'll keep my opinions on topics I know stuff about like RA, TA, and HA. (Which are all broken balance-wise :/) Who was it that said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and look like a fool then open it and remove all doubt?" Ya so no more GvG balance talk for me other then to just nod my head and say "Ya that needs to be nerfed". ( at leastuntil I buy my way into a top GvG guild lol jk) :) Psychiatric Consultant  03:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

GoH
I knew people used ran it, I loved it on my b-light bars. I might have worded my reasoning wrong though, sorry ;p 217.120.239.130 16:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Check your E-mail please
&mdash;  Jon  19:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * o.O
 * Do you share IPs with User:Great Darkwolf? - Auron 11:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but I am a fan of abusing public resources. It's the only way I have a chance to wiki, as I'm always out and about. I ran as anonymous for the longest time, and I recently made an account so I could maintain a watchlist, as I'm raraely at home and have access to my list of book-marked pages. &mdash;  Jon  18:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I love you
Header.

And just so this isn't violating the 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk, I'd like to cordially invite you to GuildWiki's Wintersday festivities. You probably won't show up, anyway, but I may as well ask for old time's sake. Vili 09:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Searing Flames
I'm noticing that your unlock first list for Elementalist doesn't have this skill, when it's hands-down one of the best fire elites. I sense bias.  Raine  - talk  16:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Whoops. - Auron 16:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Raine, I recommend reading the rant Auron has on fire magic. Pretty outspoken.--ShadowFog 19:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly sure Raine was being sarcastic with the "bias" comment, ShadowFog...  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 03:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Searing Flames is great, I use it on my paragon all the time. -- scourge  [[Image:User_Scourge_Signature.png|19px|rawr!]] 08:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * yeh it works awesome with Glowing Signet!!!1 --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 09:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Searing Flames is best used when a Wammo equips it. For best results, cast after Meteor Shower. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|Talk]] Riddle 14:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

nobody cares, thanks - Auron 14:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Defiant Was Xinrae/Xinrae's Weapon used to be able to counter SF. Maybe. For like 5 seconds, and you're stuck with a crappy elite. It's sort of like RC versus WS. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 08:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Except RC is good and prebuff DwX and XW weren't. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  17:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Party-wide disable says hi. I never said it was viable, just that it was the only thing which sort of even vaguely worked. Today you could, like, chain WaH or maintain Frigid Armor on everyone. That's effective! >.> Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 18:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How often did (good) teams have more than one copy of a hostile spell? [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  00:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot, you can completely roll PvP with just one copy of SF. My Bad! Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 00:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "How often did good teams..." I don't mean SFway.  Okay, sure, Xinrae's makes SFway lose.  So you've wasted one of your eight elites on something that does lolnothing against most teams.  That's not a good skill.   [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  05:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. Did you miss the part where she said I never said it was viable? - Auron 06:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My sarcasm metre was broken. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  07:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

auron (or anyone who's good at the game)
Tell me what rits are good for plz. In both PvE and PvP. I know they're awesome flag runners, but... What else? (random question I know, but I'm serious)--  Mini Me '''  12:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Come on man,girl...whatever... I play ritualist all the time in PvP and PvE. I have some builds too for it. Maybe I'll post a some descent builds, in your or in mine page, I play with, no use been an egotist bastard when I can pass the torch.--ShadowFog 13:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't asking for builds tbh. --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 13:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok... there's a guide for how to play ritualist. Other than that, a Ritualist take a role of healing, supporter and damage.--ShadowFog 13:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Spirits are a bit more effective in PvE since Ritual Lord (PvE) doesn't suck too much. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|Talk]] Riddle 13:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Party heals. In PvE, damage buffs like splinter. Often take bitch skills like convert hexes or soh. - Auron  14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's some ideas: You can double drop Protective Was Kaolai for double Heal Party also you can double drop Grasping Was Kuurong for almost 150 damage and double knockdown.--ShadowFog 14:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Or you could not take kuurong because it's terrible. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  15:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's ideas and Auron....Kuuron is terrible? Come on, you know better than this. 4 seconds shutdown(2 seconds per knockdown and 150 damage) while your party/spirits pummel the living crap out of a target.--ShadowFog 15:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you please never post on my talk page again? You haven't the first clue about what is good or viable in the game of Guild Wars. There's no point discussing anything if you think skills like kuurong are honestly worth the 3k balth faction it costs to unlock them. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  15:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I know I wouldn't want a ritualist in my party running forward just to drop an urn to damage and KD enemies. I'd want it in the backline pumping out spirits/damage/heals. --JonTheMon
 * Is it really worth it to take a rit for party heals and damage buffs and bitch skills? Wouldn't you be better off with another class for that?
 * (Sorry if I'm asking really dumb questions, just trying to learn something here) --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 16:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * PvE wise, you almost never need a Rit. The only application I know of where they were needed was as N/Rt healer in the all necro hero setup. Of course you always can use them, this being PvE and all ...
 * If you simply want to play fun stuff while not being useless on your PvE rit, any half decent restauration build (don't forget a few useful spirits) or a pure spirit spammer should keep your party happy. --Xeeron 18:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Rits are not a essential to any party in PvE usually but they can be helpful. I find the party heals to be helpful in Aspenwood, I always play resto rit there.  -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 18:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Spawning Power is a weak primary attribute, and Ritualists fail at energy management unless it's Attuned Was Songkai. (Caretaker's Charge for pvp flagrunners, ofc) But, that wastes your elite. So you may as well take an N/Rt for most things. Resto Rits can make an alternative healer-type person since Remove infinite conditions and give wtf heal for 5 energy is a nice skill.
 * ShadowFog: if I'm going to take a squishy into melee range, I'd rather do it with a half-viable skill like Spirit's Strength. At least that way I'll actually be able to kill something. In other news, anything works in PvE. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"Is it really worth it to take a rit for party heals and damage buffs and bitch skills? Wouldn't you be better off with another class for that?" Eh, no other class does it better tbh. Life + pot cycles really keep the red bars up, for a *lot* less energy than heal party spam. With OoS, soh can be easily maintained without really stressing the energy pool, and warding is about the best defensive buff in the game atm. In PvE, splinter and GDW make excellent melee buff choices. In PvP, you're pretty much required to have a rit to win (KMD took a monk runner instead of a rit runner and lost both games in ESL). - Auron  04:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks guys :). This should give me a better idea of what a rit can do and what they're good at. Thanks! --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 10:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do you bold your timestamps >.> -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  11:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was an accident and I can't be bothered to change it <.< --  Mini Me ''' [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 12:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * lolk -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  12:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, don't tell me you are going to ban ShadowFog for you same crimes now Aurin.You troll like dirty trolls do and you don't get ban, you call shaodwfog an asshole and nobody bans you for your fucking asshatery.--85.195.123.25
 * I'm not going to ban shadowfog for anything. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  14:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * auron ar a meen trol histroling ppl end soplz ban thet bastard Q-Q --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 15:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd rather have a competent troll kthx. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 20:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * but ehs hurting ppls feelings end maed shadowfog cry u canot let tihs madnes contineu!!!1 --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 23:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I like bunnies. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (\_/)
 * &mdash;  Skakid  02:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * &mdash;  Skakid  02:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * &mdash;  Skakid  02:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

"permaban incoming?" Basilisk 11:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
"Permaban incoming?" Why is that? After it was pointed out to me that I was spamming recent, I have been trying to take steps to reduce my presence there by reducing my overall saves, and marking the ones I do make as minor. I'm not quite sure what else I can do (short of not doing anything at all to my namespace). I'm not trying to be a problem, and would prefer advice to ban. :)
 * I was joking. Also, sign your comments after the comment, not in the section header >.> -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  11:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see, alright. Basilisk 06:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

<font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ 00:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Title signing is fun!

[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron 04:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Wat.

&mdash; Wolf [[Image:User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png|19px| ]] 05:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Didn't ya know? Title signing earns you a perma-ban!
 * [[Image:Shadow Form.jpg|25px]][[Image:Smiter%27s_Boon.jpg|25px]][[Image:"Incoming!".jpg|25px]] <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  08:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Riddle 03:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

permaban for unreadable sig - Auron  03:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

nominated
You have been nominated.

Dunno if you want to run, but I think you will be a good bureacrat. Mini Me  08:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ...O lawd, Auron dun gone an steal ANet's wiki again. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 10:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I already stoled like a billion fame from their hoh tonight, might as well take the wiki. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  10:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

which movie?
-- Brains12 \ talk 17:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Labyrinth. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  02:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Magic Jump would be a great skill. For 1 second, you dodge all incoming attacks and skills. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 03:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What about a shout called "Smell Bad!" &mdash; Rappy 04:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Vili, that skill would be good if it lasted 30 seconds...and was named Shadow Form. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully expect Shadow Form to bypass environmental effects, tarps, and touch skills some day. Dev notes: "We reviewed complaints about Shadow Form farming, and a recurring theme was about how Twisting Jaws makes Raptor farming unnecessarily hard..." Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 03:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "We reviewed complaints about Shadow Form farming, and a recurring theme was about how Twisting Jaws makes farming while otherwise completely and utterly invincible into a grievously difficult task..." teh PvEs r 2 hard wen ppl QQ becuz godmode doens't work.  lol  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  Raine   - talk  07:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

userpage
Considering the whole issue with attacking Izzy and whatnot, is it wise having "Izzy (and ANet) have no idea how to nerf skills or how to buff skills"/"has izzy not obsed in the past six months" on your userpage? Those things are pretty similar to Shard's comments which eventually led to warnings and blocks, so you might want to take them out. -- Brains12 \ talk 18:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't once say that Izzy is a mentally retarded monkey. It's also pretty justified in this instance. Misery  18:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Those aren't personal attacks; they are questions. ;) Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 19:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Careful Auron. I wouldn't call that an NPA breach, or insulting, but it's close. Your close to the fence, just don't try to walk on it, or someone might push you off, and have you land on the wrong side. Your one of the few people around that's good at saying what they have to say without feeling the need to attack people in the proccess, and I would hate to see that change. &mdash;  Jon  22:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's also in the userspace instead of the anet space. Also, be less bad. 70.132.18.179 23:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

No thanks. - Auron  02:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And to defend in detail, it's common knowledge that they don't know how to balance the game. Ensign can look at what they do and point out how little they understand; I look at what they do and point out how little they understand. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just pointing out facts (and, unlike Shard's rants, these are actually facts, not "bull's strike's knockdown can be mathematically charted" facts). -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  02:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why does everyone that makes rants about gw balance connected to shard anyway ? I mean in that case more people joined shardism then christianity Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  06:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron is being frank, honest and he is expressing himself within guidelines. Though he and Shard come from the same view point, even I have come to admit I was wrong in putting them in the same catagory. I don't like Auron being bullied into changing how his opinions were stated. Stating that Anet is not balancing something is not an insult or a personal attack and people need to realize that Anet, its staff and NCSoft are not perfect, and their judgements, choices and policy can be questioned.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 08:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If I could choose between them, I'd rather have Auron as a balancer. Shard is really clueless most of the time, Auron however, makes a lot of sense and can support his statement with well chosen arguments. 145.94.74.23 09:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Brains, what the fuck. Why is it not allowed to tell the truth without it personally attacking anyone? I can see why you banned Shard since he also made comments that were more personal attacks (which attacks a person), but Auron is not making comments like these. <font color="Black">Dark <font color="Black">Morphon <font color="Black"> (contribs)  13:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Brains didn't ban me. Chill. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  13:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * thats proly because if he did wiki would go to hell and people would be brainlessly reverting all his edits with a covered ip :p Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  13:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I bet if it had been someone other than a sysop he would have banned him. 122.105.152.61 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's blatant and obvious favoritism and special treatment. We should demote them both immediately! -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  13:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * or Its because auron actually makes sense and 99 % of his posts are constructive and helpfull nah thats not a reason Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  13:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good plan. 122.105.152.61 13:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Corruptionz on teh wikiz! Misery  17:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Brains is too much of a robot to play favorites XD &mdash; Wolf  [[Image:User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png|19px| ]] 17:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * kinda ive never seen him type lol EVER I sometimes doubt if hes actually human lol no offense intended though Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Eviscerate.jpg|19x19px]] *gale*  21:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All in good fun. &mdash; Wolf  [[Image:User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png|19px| ]] 21:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw Pling make a smiley ":p" once. Somewhere, a baby kangaroo died.
 * No, seriously, NPA has nothing to do about the truthiness of statements. It's all about how you word them. Saying that Izzy "fails at game balance" is different than saying "Izzy is a mentally retarded monkey", even if you probably meant the same thing both times. Context, implication, and nuance are srs bsns. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 06:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Raine Valen/Learn 2 Play/Dervish
You're starting to tread the line.. The above was advice, I guess this is a warning. I would've thought that you, at least, should know not to comment on/attack the contributor. -- Brains12 \ talk 19:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a limit to how bad at the game one can be and still comment on balance and tactics. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  03:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The policy is "No Personal Attacks" not "No Personal Attacks Unless They Really Deserve It". NPAUTRDI would be ridiculous to constantly spell out anyway. Srsly, Auron, you know better. - Tanetris 04:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Would action be taken if I, or any other user, had said exactly what Auron said? &mdash;  Jon  04:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you assuming that this isn't action? "Action" isn't restricted to blocks and blocks only. -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 09:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I know tane. I wasn't refuting the warning. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  09:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Auron, I'm going to warn you as well. You can't refruit anything. God knows I've tried... I tried to refruit an apple onto the tree but the glue didn't hold and I fell down the hill and hit my elbow, when I got up I saw this elf waving at me... Long story short that's the first time I was arrested for indecent exposure :< -- scourge  [[Image:User_Scourge_Signature.png|19px|rawr!]] 09:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Picture or it didn't happen. Backsword 16:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * u should lay off the drugs. --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature.jpg|19px|y so srs?]] 22:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

SkillCheck
Is now fixed. Thanks for letting me know. Cheeeers. Ale_Jrb ( talk ) 16:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome :) -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  01:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Searing Flames (2)
I started a discussion on Shard's talk page, maybe you could help explain why the skill is good. They don't get it >.> Mr.Hobo 20:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The skill isn't good. It's overpowered, which means it's actually bad for the game. It's also bad in a balanced build, since single SF eles have about as much DPS as a bow sin. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  01:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I meant, sorry. They think it's not OP... Mr.Hobo 02:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Then they've never played Guild Wars. Don't waste energy on pointless battles. -[[Image:User Auron csig.png]] Auron  02:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Kk, thanks for the advice :P Mr.Hobo 21:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)