User talk:Jette/Archive 4


 * Who? - J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|Contributions]] Talk  00:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No one in particular, that message has been there forever. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 00:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * +Spamz Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  03:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

First...subheader
Vili &#x70B9; 03:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I will flay the skin from your flesh and the flesh from your bones and scrape your bones dry, and still you will not have suffered enough. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Songs will be written about the beauty of the pain I shall inflict upon you. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And that is why people Furst. Stay tuned for our next show, "Why do people burn milkshakes?"! Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  04:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I set one of my drinks on fire once. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I set myself on fire once. It was awesome. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  04:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't do that, I hear it can shorten your life expectancy. Then again, I heard starlight causes cancer last week, so what do those doctor types know anyway?  Have fun kids. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was like a one second combustion. Sorta like when you burn a beard: it just blazes, and you feel all hot, and then it goes off. No moar beard. Yes, I did that too. Shaving's for losers. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  04:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Monks set themselves on fire all the time, it must be good for you. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 04:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're confusing with noobs. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  04:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, pretty much everything can cause a disease. Living is one of them; the more you live, the higher the chance of getting infected, and life itself is some sort of broken rule. The optimal state is no movement from the whole, so death is actually the only optimal state. Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  04:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cautery Signet is an important skill to take in Abaddon's Gate. Although the introduction of Pure Was Li Ming made it somewhat less vital. Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 05:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Increased exposure to a cause is not the same as increased cause. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 05:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's burn Vili! Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] Ertan  12:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

ACTUAL FIRST
FIRRRRRRRRST &mdash;Jette  04:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you see this? Do you see it, faggot?  This is you in 5 minutes.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 05:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WHY ARE YOU EATING JETTE, SPIDER!? <font color="#92000a">Titani [[image:User Titani Ertan chrome.png|19x19px]] <font color="#92000a">Ertan  12:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I lol'd something fucking fierce. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 14:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto.  NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  17:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, me too. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Photoshop
I was asking some people about Photoshop tips, and they recommended I ask you. Would you be willing to teach me a few things? Ciel 06:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mostly I'm just a hack, but sure, ask away. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 11:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Right now, I'm trying to work on making a part of an image slowly fade into a second image. I know I'll need the fading image to be in the top layer, and the emerging image to be in the bottom layer. But what tool or effect will give me that effect? Ciel 06:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Animations aren't my specialty, and by that I mean "I've never worked with them." Sorry.  :/  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for hearing me out at least. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to bug you about something else later on? Ciel 08:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. If anything, though, I'd say set the opacity to change over time.  I use CS4, where the layers menu defaults to the lower-right corner.  Click the layer you want to disappear, then click on the word opacity, hold down the mouse and drag to the left.  It'll go from 100% to 0% pretty quickly.  That's basically what you want it to do... as for how to get that done over time, I have no idea.  :p  Closest thing to animations I've worked with is PowerPoint, and I haven't touched that stuff since... probably 4th grade (this is assuming PP existed when I was 4th grade, which it may well not have -- in that case it was probably similar software).  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 08:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Having experience with absolutely none of this (I made picture animations the old fashioned way, by shoving a bunch of gifs together and giving them condoms, and that was a while ago - though I did make an animated video at one point!), I figured I'd give my two cents. If you're working with an animation, there's probably a timeline. In the old software I worked with, we would tell the machine "I want you to do this" (which, in this case, is "I want you to reduce opacity/alpha from 100% to 0%"), and then would click start and end points on the timeline. (Tons of fun when we were still learning the thing and didn't realize right click was remove, not double click and hope for the best.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 14:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are making a short movie or a video clip of some sort, the easiest way would be to use Imovie or moviemaker. You want gif image, I really can't help. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  14:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Armond brings up a good point, but the easiest way to do it is to use the Animation maker in Photoshop, assuming you're using a legitimate version of CS3 or CS4. (It should be located under Tools, if I'm remembering right.) It should be able to automatically create multiple layers which you can use to create an animated GIF file when you go to save it. This post on CreativeTechs.com also details an easy way to create them. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "legitimate version of photoshop"

···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ¿qué? &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "a crack that actually works right and unlocks all the features"
 * I have one, but I'm pretty sure it's also a virus, judging from how I get a porno ad every time I click Layers. Seriously though, I have a working copy of CS4 with every single feature.  The download size is ~50MB, it uses less RAM, has none of the crappy bloatware, supports everything, and uninstalls cleanly.  It's reverse engineered or something, with Adobe's shit all stripped down.  I'd give you a link broski, but demonoid is being bad again.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 00:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You guys fail. I used my friend's CD to pirate my copy. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 01:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but then you get the weird stuff like Bridge. Wtf does that program actually do?  Does it even have a purpose, or is it another part of Adobe's conspiracy to turn Creative Suite into a fricking operating system?  (I would use it)  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 02:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL Bridge having no purpose. Camera RAW says hi. It's also properly color managed, has image automation, stacking, tagging, elements can be moved around easier, expandable with JavaScript.
 * I just have the entire Suite. Bridge is nice when you're moving between multiple applications a lot like I do. You can choose what to install and what not to install, though. If you hit me up on MSN, I'll gladly just send you my version. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't use MSN because Pidgin is being bad because Microsoft upgraded their security. :<  I have enough bloatware on mah system as is.  ;_;  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Try Mozilla's tiny messenger thing. It's my portable backup for Pidgin. I'm not sure how M$ could be blcoking pidgin, though. =/ ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, it works again. It was moaning about something earlier.  Jette37@live.com is my account.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is to say, GIMME GIMME GIMME. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I added you, but I didn't see you on last night at all! :< ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  17:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's odd. I was online all night.  Tell me your MSN, I'll try to get you instead.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * dannyderanged@hotmail.com - I'm on almost all the time since I work around computers all day. I'm not home until about 7 p.m. CST, though. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

W7
do not use it until SP2 or later if you have any regard for the safety of your files. remember XP pre-SP2? if you're really looking for a fancy OS, try out Solaris or go look at Ubuntu. (with some fancy trickery, you can get Windows games running on Ubuntu sans Wine). ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Danny, I need you to teach me how to use Ubuntu on a laptop and run GW. I tried it once...but I'm baed at tech. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:43, 17 September 2009  (UTC)
 * I've used Linux, and actually, I still dual-boot with Debian. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, do you know if you can dual-boot XP and Ubuntu on a laptop? I'm thinking about doing that, but don't want to fuck up my work files. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:00, 17 September 2009  (UTC)
 * Yes, but you would need to repartition your drive. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I don't even know what that means (like I said, I'm bad at tech). <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:09, 17 September 2009  (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, it's when you split a hard drive to pretend to be two hard drives, basically.  Back up all your information before you try it, though.  Look for a guide online, I'm too tired to explain it right now.  And remember to call your C: drive "Happy Drive" and your D: drive "Sad Drive."  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * partitioning drives is painful. =/ i've got three on mine, though - 500 GB Seagate drive - still works golden. just take jettes advice on back up anything you care about. (don't forget your registry or you will, and i mean will regret it.) ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

W7 works just fine peeps! -- S ilverleaf    Don't assume, Ask! 20:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So does a prostitute, as long as you don't mind syphilis. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's one of the best analogies I've ever heard. Danny...you make me happy :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:30, 17 September 2009  (UTC)
 * I have 14 partitions on my computer... poke | talk 20:37, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you could possibly be doing with 14 partitions, let alone how big of a hard-drive you'd need to host all of them. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

@Danny..not knowing how to protect yourself doesn't mean W7 isn't save. -- S ilverleaf    Don't assume, Ask! 21:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * you can't protect yourself from security vulnerabilities in the OS unless you unplug your internet connection. ;o l2exploit ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, W7 is so full of exploits... ATM I'm controlling 63874261 computers that run it. On a related note, can't you just buy it? Too much hassle to deal with bios shit and blacklisting keys.

By the way, I dual booted Ubuntu and XP most of the week once I figured it out. Yesterday XP crashed and wiped my harddrive. Now...I just have Ubuntu. Fucking Windows. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:24, 19 September 2009  (UTC)

Because you said okay
SpamSPAMSPAM blabla, joke. PS hope that update comes quick:).  Death Sligher  20:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Getting Windows 7 for free
Go to college and declare your major as computer science. I have access to unlimited free microsoft shit. ~Shard  03:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * MSDNAA ftw. It's nice of them to make that program and give out free stuff, but unfortunately, college charges more money than microsoft.  :<  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 03:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

My comment on your RfA
I'm glad you took it in the spirit it was intended. I DO think you are a valuable contributor to GWW. I just think you are too like Auron in the way you interact with people, and I've seen the problems that has caused. I don't think we need a repeat. -- Wyn  talk  06:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * btw...

javascript:addScript('User:Poke/GuildWarsWikiTools/ContributionCount.js');void(0);
 * Copy/paste that into your address bar and hit enter. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  06:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I didn't expect to win, tbh, I was just curious about the impression I'd been making on people; I've been trying to be less trolly and more wikidragony.  Don't tell the voters that though.  (Obviously I would've done my job if I'd gotten elected though.)  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you were to tone down some of your interactions with users, I would rethink my position on a future RfA. I think though, adding the admin role to your activities here would quickly make the wiki a lot less fun for you than it is now, I know it has for me. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can try to be nicer. I don't really need administrative powers, there's just a lot of times where I think "stupid vandal" and want to ban it with an inflammatory message, but the noticeboard is fine for that, I guess.  And you're right, Auron has been controversial (though I would like to point out that the majority of people against him were trolls, butthurt and/or overreacting, but very funny to watch), so I'd probably make it worse.  As I said, though (in the edit summary, no less) I did it predominantly for the lulz.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

What is your type?
I'm curious. Do you know your Myer's Briggs type? I think I have you pegged but want to see if I'm right. Previously Unsigned 07:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that I believe the MBTI is pseudoscience, using sweeping generalizations and vague, subjective questions to disguise the fact that the test reveals precious little genuine information. With that said, I've gotten INTP in the most recent test (I just took it).  I believe I've gotten INTJ as well, however.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not that you asked me, but ENFP :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:24, 19 September 2009  (UTC)

PrntScr
What bit version was your XP, and what Vista version are you operating on? As far as my experiences go in 32-bit XP Pro, you can't use PrtScr to grab any DX stuff, which leads me to question what other programs you may have had installed (such as PrintKey). ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was using 32-bit XP, and I'm using 32-bit Windows 7 atm. I'll be upgrading to 64-bit in a few hours or so, because i herd it was pro or something.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't be surprised if MS modified some of the graphics drivers interactions (re: semi-transparent windows). I'd just try to think about what you may have had installed at the time that you were able to do that. Also, I posted my MSN in the Photoshop section above, in case you missed it due to other talk page pings. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright. Thanks.  But no, I didn't have any of that crap installed at the time, though I do seem to remember modifying some setting so I could take screenshots of videos without getting a blank black box where the video is supposed to be... I'll look that up and see if I can remember what it was and if it fixes anything.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried taking a screenshot of Guild Wars while it is in windowed mode (i.e. you're running something else)? It won't be quite as good but should still work... Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 22:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It works, but it isn't good enough. :<  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

tbh
i would help u with ur bios problem, cept i dont know what that is and i dont even have bios installed on my comp...

is that bad? O__O <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  23:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't be arsed to make a flowchart right now, but:
 * Does your computer turn on?
 * Yes: You have a BIOS.
 * No: Oh. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * every time it starts up, it tells me BIOS is not installed :S <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  00:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's lying. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * More likely it says "X version of BIOS is not installed". It's pretty much impossible for a computer to boot without some version or other of a BIOS. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 15:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

in other words, don't ask dark for help with your computer. ever. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm using one of the so-called loader programs for now, but Microsoft nerfed it when they made one for Vista, so I figure they can do it to this one too. The hardmod is a lot more difficult for them to work around, but I'm not willing to risk bricking my BIOS when I don't exactly have others laying around the house.  If they try to patch the loader I'll worry about it when it happens.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

it sounds about as legitimate as a mexican selling Gucci out of the back of his truck, but it should give you a starting point. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, I already know about that. That's what I've been trying to do, but I'm being paranoid (and need 2.1).  I may have to do it myself later on, I just hate screwing with the BIOS because it's kind of important.  Also, working with my computer is always a massive pain because it's not exactly in an easily accessible position.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * buy a shitty windows 98 clunker and try it on that. you can get them for about $30 at computer recyclers or garage sales. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Something tells me I couldn't install W7 on one of those. >_>  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * actually, you could fuck with the bios and install w7, just don't expect it to get past login. ;o ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could also get a hooker for $30, which might be money better spent. In the same vein, is C# a good language for beginners?  C will fuck my system in the ass if I crew up, sepples is flawed as hell, and the others all seem written for... oh, hell, I don't even know, but they all seem written for this generation Y crap, what with their shiny interfaces and pretty logos and shit.  I remember when programming was about opening notepad and spending 6 hours typing (actually, I don't).  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A) Get Context. It's a text editor with syntax highlighting for a million languages. B) Python is stupid easy to work with, Java is good fun and a heavy duty language, and C# makes me want to kill myself because of how retarded its UI management is. If you really feel like beating yourself to death with your keyboard in the near future, I'd suggest C++ - it's highly extensible and will introduce you to a world of shit you never wanted to know when you get into header files. If you'd prefer to stay sane and keep to the C family, try C. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I used Notepad++ as is, but I could try Context. Also, C++ is bad and users of it should feel bad, for reasons verbosely outlined here.  I could try Python or Java, I suppose, I've just liked some of the descriptions I've gotten of C♭ and original C, the only reason I don't go with C is because of those people who keep telling me I can fry my computer using it incorrectly, which would be bad, because I spent my last $30 on a hooker.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I recommend Ruby. Also, brb, trying out Context. If it has all the stuff Crimson Editor has plus ruby syntax highlighting, I'll be happy. NOTHING HIGHLIGHTS SYNTAX FOR RUBY EVER QQ. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 21:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You should be able to add syntax files to Context, iirc. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  22:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Iirc, can do that with cedit as well, but that requires a syntax file on hand or knowledge of how to create one. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 22:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hurr de durr, Ruby just isn't popular enough to be part of the defaults yet. Man cedit is awesome. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 22:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was going for "somewhat easy to learn and teaches you the basics." C is perfect for this, except it melts your fucking brain if you haven't tried to learn something beforehand, though it has the upside of making every other language effortless after you're through.  If I have to I'll just go with it and look into Ruby, Python and C^ afterwards, assuming I haven't just said fuck it.  I'm looking at this as a hobby more than a job, except I try not to do anything half-assed, which is why I'm using photoshop and MSOffice instead of that gimp and openoffice crap (oOo's spreadsheet program gives me the hives).  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ruby and Python are both very easy to learn, but for very different reasons. But, to be honest, if you're being seriously serious about this, go with Python first (if only for a little bit), because Ruby's way of doing things (everything is an object, methods do everything you could ever want, etc) is very different from i.e. C, Java, Python, *. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 22:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm serious. I can hardly hope to blow up 4chan and cause a rupture in the internet without some sort of technical knowledge.  Now; what, in your experience, is the best language for setting up a botnet?  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Depends on how lazy you are. AutoHotkey can do amazing things with a little effort, but you'd need people to download it and drop it in their Startup folder. C is probably your best option, but anything that can interface with .NET easily will work. I got into programming as a hobby - now I'm doing database maintenance for an RNA lab and web design on the side while working towards my B.S. in Comp Sci with a focus in heuristic algorithms. :> ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

on second thought, PHP is pretty great for botnets. Drop it in the FTPs of unwary site owners and you can build up quite the army. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what I'll do, I'll make a spam script to shitpost all over MySpace telling people to copy the source, run it as shitbrix.c and watch as it posts the same thing again while installing 50,000 rootkits. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 23:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to mention that if they follow the instructions, they'll meet their true love within a week, but if they don't some creepy child will strangle them to death. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the lol :D -- Armond Warblade 14:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Wut?
This is a project that will be ongoing, please do not tell them to cease and desist. -- Wyn  talk  14:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was kidding, but I see your point. Alright.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Way to check timestamps, dude. Vili &#x70B9; 06:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Blame that materia guy, I get confused whenwhen there isn't a clearly marked timestamp. :(  Also, multitasking is bad.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 07:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Help:Ask_a_game_question
"could be pretty easy to write a batch to scan them all and then post the results as a .txt in a predetermined location, but most users wouldn't trust a batch file written by a troll, so." I would trust a troll, so in a weird way this is a request for the batch file ^^ C4K3 Talk 06:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That was BS theorycrafting. I could probably do it, but it would take days/weeks to get all the codes sorted out, assuming it could be done at all (it's hard to find a value that basically never changes).  I just don't have the concentration for a project like that.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 06:17, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Meh C4K3 [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]] Talk 06:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're also assuming any of the values are presented user-side, rather than storing all that information server side. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It kind of has to be present user-side. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be able to see it at all.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying, but that's kinda like saying Facebook has to have everything user-side, when ofc it doesn't. Data's just prepared then send to us via server, etc. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and when it's transmitted, it's available. Of course, if that is the case, then it would almost certainly be a random address, in which case the whole point would be moot anyway.  In any case, I'm having far too much fun making every website I have bookmarked match up with this new Aero crap using Stylish to bother with something GW related atm anyway.  :D  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wurdz! ._.  <font color="Orange">Nectarines / /<font color="Black"> 21:38 28 September 2009(UTC)
 * I think I just ec'd everyone with my unrelated and everyone is mad at me, no, oh no. Sry. :( Please do carry on its very interesting. :3  <font color="Orange">Nectarines / /<font color="Black"> 21:41 28 September 2009(UTC)

Norton
hasn't heard of NoScript obv. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They've been getting one-starred to crap and back, thankfully. Don't mess with Stallman.    &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

PvX
lol. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  22:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ­*/me clears throat* I quote:

[link to like 25 lines of all caps lyrical shitposting on some poor bastard's talk page] "Wow, I understand that you've been trolled and flamed a lot here, but that's already far fetched. Maybe counts as disruptive editing or something as retarded." -Chaos It was disruptive at the time but they stopped so I'm willing to let it slide. -PheNaxKian
 * Let's examine another case. OP posts a link to the following revision:

hey fuckhead, stop being an autist. love, ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:36, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * The mods didn't even grace us with a reply on that one. Of course, you weren't causing all the problems, try as you might... this edit remained uncommented on for over a month:

I'm Carnivorous Cupcake I post on Guild Wars Guru under the same name. :p I like messing with hero builds, vanquishing and speedclearing various dungeons with friends. I also like to HB at dead hours, have past expirience being a GvG flagger at r600-800 (best role evah <3) and sometimes get invited for TA/HA to farm some glad/fame.

I'm a huge raging quuer I post on Guild Wars Guru under the same name. :p I like fingering my anus, and i don't know what my frontal lobe is. I also like to HB at dead hours b/c i'm a shitter too bad to even push buttons, have past experience bitchroling at ranks even pvers can beat (best role evah <3) and sometimes get invited to NAMBLA rallies. Leave a message on my talk page if you're a boy under the age of 12 and you want to cyber!


 * No ban recorded. I'm laughing so hard my intestines hurt.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the place was better at launch. (By which I mean "back when I was an admin, and shit like that didn't happen".) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 04:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How was it better? The only difference was that Grinch and Rawr were the ones trolling people, and Skakid was the one being the dick. I've just rolled all three rolls into one and proceeded to do a terrible job at it! :> ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  17:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They got banned more than a few times, though. Big banned you for three hours for trolling (lol). -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 18:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm a good admin. <font color="#A55858">Misery  18:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You are the best at mediation, that is for sure. I think Toraen is going to give you a run for your money, though, when it comes to janitorial duties. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, I haven't done them since like... last year. I occasionally clear WELL, I dunno if he can even do that. <font color="#A55858">Misery  23:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

A Bad Day at McDonalds
I lol'd. <font color="#92000a">Titani  <font color="#92000a">Ertan  08:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Monacle
You should totally keep it. Maybe make it more obv. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A monacle has powerful implifications. But as with most accessories, it's potency increases exponentialy.
 * Therefore, you are only one step away from the feared double monacle.
 * Just remember, that with great power, comes great responsbility. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  20:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Double monocle? This is madness!  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That only becomes a consideration without double monacle. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  20:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 20:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Mark this day, fellas.
 * It has begun. We have come full circle. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  20:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * @ Jette: THIS IS SPARTA *kicks a black man down a well -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 20:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sparta was never funny. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  21:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Was the black man falling down the well funny, or am I just subconciously racist? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it was pretty funny, yeah. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 21:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay subtle racism! ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yall are the racist people, I was just referencing 300. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|19px]] 21:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you honestly say you didn't find it slightly funny? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I did. -- Tha Reckoning   21:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Yes I can.
 * Also, monacle. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  21:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Other side needs an Eye Patch instead -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 22:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ARRR! Ai ar a sufistikaited pairet! - <font color="Black">J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|Feedback]] <font color="Black">Talk  23:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The double eye patch + double monacle is the pinnacle of ocular accessories. Extreme stuff. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  08:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I think reading this discussion just killed 10 of my brain cells. <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  15:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Which leaves you with what? Ten?  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 16:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

It's spelled "monocle", btw. Vili &#x70B9; 20:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Silence, Vili! We are not even speak of that spelling error! There is too much at stake!
 * He must ascend to the realm of Occulus Diabola. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  22:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Master of the double pirate eyepatch. She didn't even need them. --User Ezekial Riddle bigsig.png Rid dle 23:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Jette
NO U. Aevar talk  contribs 08:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Aevar, play this when magic'ing against me. My creatures tend to lack evasion. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  21:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * owned ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 22:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But what if other mighty blue cards are used so you never get that counter? Or even artifacts that help getting more of those birds? <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  23:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll just use an Isochron'd Orim's Chant from turn 3 to keep you in lockdown. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 02:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought of you :D <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  23:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * wat &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 23:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

...
- Hi, Doug. I almost never see ruby hanging, but one of your students managed it. He pretty much had all 4 processors:

1  ? 15502 tseyfert 241 20 11384K  3860K run    328:17 39.19 39.13 ruby 1  ? 15620 tseyfert 241 20 11384K  3860K run    314:19 36.64 36.58 ruby 0  ? 15654 tseyfert 241 20 11384K  3860K run    299:04 36.18 36.12 ruby 0  ? 15750 tseyfert 241 20 11384K  3860K run    301:43 35.77 35.71 ruby 0  ? 15743 tseyfert 241 20 11384K  3860K run    297:15 35.58 35.52 ruby

tseyfert 15620 3954 255 22:16:35 ? 315:03 /usr/local/bin/ruby /students/tseyfert/public_

html/cgi-bin/lab3.cgi tseyfert 15743 3325 255 22:19:14 ? 297:56 /usr/local/bin/ruby /students/tseyfert/public_html/cgi-bin/lab3.cgi tseyfert 15502 3581 255 22:15:39 ? 329:04 /usr/local/bin/ruby /students/tseyfert/public_html/cgi-bin/lab3.cgi tseyfert 15654 3326 248 22:17:17 ? 299:47 /usr/local/bin/ruby /students/tseyfert/public_html/cgi-bin/lab3.cgi tseyfert 15750 3482 248 22:19:17 ? 302:25 /usr/local/bin/ruby /students/tseyfert/public_html/cgi-bin/lab3.cgi

-

Please tell me you weren't retarded and didn't leave open the page with the infinite loop.

-- Armond Warblade 01:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, nope. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 02:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * lol ruby. did you ever get it fixed armond? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:39, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Did it the ghetto way, but it worked. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 19:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

For the new lab, the professor warned us about five times to check for infinite loops before uploading to the web. FML -- Armond Warblade 01:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

What
you should do, is have a monocle on the right eye, an eyepatch on the left eye and a vicious scar that comes out from off the eyepatch. Then you do some pro wikicoding that causes the top hat to float over the text it would otherwise linebreak. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "pro wikicoding"


 * hahahaha right. I don't think I have quite the time to dedicate to making that elaborate of a sig pic.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 13:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I redirected that pic if you don't die of it. I'm just lazy as helllllllllllll UW.
 * I'd assume you'd have the time for that, seeing as how we're no-lifeing on the page of a game in its retirement days, circlejerking around and swallowing poles to be furthermore stuck up :o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 14:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You can do the hat thing really easily with a  using the position properties. The hardest part would be working out how many pixels to offset it by. But if it will obscure text above your comments then blah blah blah policy. Also blah blah blah good html etiquette. blaaaaah blaaaaaah blaaaaah. Mr J 14:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it wouldn't go over text, there are still small spaces in between the lines there etc. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 14:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It depends how tall the hat graphic is and what height offset you apply to it. Here's a snippet if you want to fiddle around with it. You'll need to look up the syntax for the position property and change it from absolute to relative(or whatever).  Mr J 14:19, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I could just give it a hover attribute to make it transparent, but actually getting the thing to be in the right position every time I signed would be difficult at best, especially given my knowledge of HTML/wikimarkup/CSS/javascript is severely lacking. &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 14:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been a while since I tried it but if you put your sig within a div then that should make it linebreak as a single entity. If you then put the hat inside a div then you can apply the offset to that part of the div alone. Example pseudocode: Jette hat.png face.png  The outer div tags should keep it all together, the inner div tag should shunt the hat pic up and over the face pic. iirc it still leaves a blank space where the hat should be, so you might want to put the hat after the face and use a negative(or positive?) offset. Mr J 14:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually... I think if you put it inside a transparent div you can keep the bottom of the div aligned with the text but, since it's essentially floating over the text, it would layer over the line spacing without increasing the size of the line spacing. Mr J 15:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Demonstrate, please ;o Just use a skill image or something as the test subject. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 15:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe later when I have access to a decent browser and an ISP that takes <20s to load a page. Mr J 16:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ups :D -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 16:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

whatever that  tag was that that guy gave above was wrong. you'd need relative positioning. disregard that. I need to read rather than scan. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "That guy"?? DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 * This is also partially to show an example [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] Glyph_of_Swiftness.jpg where I can put a glyph of swiftness on Jette's head.
 * If that shows up right for you, then you can figure out how to fix it the way you want it, Jette. If not then I'll fuck with it tonight if Misery and I don't spend the whole night being jerks on S4. Mr J 08:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, it goes over the text. The top hat would have to lean sideways to not go over the text. Taking a screenshot of regular text then drawing the hat to fit in between or something could be a viable idea. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 10:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I got it. :o  Thanks for the help.  Now I'll need to ask everyone to edit their CSS file to include a line that makes it transparent when you hover over it so some cranky admin doesn't get butthurt.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] User Jette tophat.png  12:04, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Lower it a bit more. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  12:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There we go, I think that'll keep it off the text but still on the head. –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] User Jette tophat.png  12:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That looks, so amazing. <font color="#A55858">Misery  12:07, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I want a hat, too. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  12:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you have to have a head first. :<  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] User Jette tophat.png  12:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That is pretty hawt. Fist bump for collaborative awesomeness. Mr J 12:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC

<3 Most sensual sig pic ever :o Srsly -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 12:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * let us bask in it's glory while it lasts. Pretty sure it breaks policy. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  12:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Only because it has 2 pics, which is only a "generally" rule ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * plus it's longer than allowed and distrupts the flow of text. Still, hat. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  13:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's actually not that long, and I wouldn't say it "disrupts" text. That was fixed with the wall of code ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Srsly so fucking epic Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  14:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm getting one if it lasts, tbh. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  15:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

No. One singular, solitary 19x19 image. Also the code breaks pages in Opera for some reason. - Tanetris 04:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you want opera anyway ? Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  12:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!
Read that wrong. Thanks. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound  17:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's alright. You can reword it if you think it sounds ambiguous.  &mdash;Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] 17:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

8 accounts
So you can time them all for maximum coordinated efficiency.  is for  Raine,   etc.  15:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. I'll start spamming WTB accounts 5634849816584645631K in Kamadan.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] User Jette tophat.png  15:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Orchestrate, Jette. Orchestrate.
 * I think you need to buy an account spam account first. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  15:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... where do you get those trial keys again? –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_sophisticated.png|19px]] User Jette tophat.png  15:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Look inside your game package ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 12:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Stupid Personal Information
stalk page <font color="Fuchsia">Kurtan  <font color="Deeppink">15:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Wut?!
These normal skill icons sucks donkey O.o Now i see what you mean. - <font color="Black">J.P.  <font color="Black">Talk  17:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Sigh
Please don't interject "just kidding" statements in discussions, I'm assuming your last post on the Nick talk page was a J/K. It doesn't further the discussion and only clouds where people really stand on an issue. -- Wyn  talk  20:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll remove it.  Reading that section is like nails on a blackboard though, but for my eyes.  It's part of why I don't involve myself in the community/policy part of the wiki, other than the trawl postan.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)



/ave chain tbh. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 21:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Your hat
Big, yet stunning. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00 18:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Tetris took it away. ;,;  Who uses Opera anyway?  I mean, I do... but only for when I need IRC, since Chatzilla is bad and cmd.exe is so ugly omg.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * mIRC more. Also, our school comps have Opera, and apparently the page carries on into whiteness on the bottom. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 08:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The hat sometimes overlaps text, but I have not seen anything break 82.217.189.101 17:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Want the hat back >:( ... and take a cane, too! :D <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  23:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Learning programman
How does one do it? NuVII  19:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Get Notepad++, it's like Notepad took a lunch break one day, crept into a bathroom stall and snorted about fifty kilograms of crack cocaine before injecting a bucket of epinephrine through its nutsack, then came back out and beat the everloving shit out of every IDE ever made and tossed them, broken and bleeding, into a dumpster behind a whorehouse in Russia.
 * 2) Learn C or Java, they're supposed to be good for beginners or something, though for different reasons. C is "the" programming language, and virtually every object-oriented PL made after it has been influenced by it in some way or another, as well as being very low-level, while Java is pretty simple to learn and gets your introduced rather easily.  I've heard talk that Microsoft's C# is like an updated Java, but considering how well everything else by M$ is done, I'll believe it when I see it (although C# is such a cool name).  Take some tutorials online (if you go with C, make sure it's C, not C++; the two flavors go well together but learning C++ first is like taking a high school English course before you know how to spell).  After that, you should have an idea of how shit works and can get started learning more advanced stuff.  For "real" projects, you might want an IDE like Eclipse or (if you enjoy the taste of Microsoft's salty semen) some variation of Visual Studio.  Really though, get Eclipse or something.  Notepad (not N++, just notepad) is better than most stuff by Microsoft because where User Jette eclipse.png is like 150MB, Visual Studio makes you download 3GB of bloated crap you'll never use, installs 17 entries in the add/remove programs list and then tells you you don't have any libraries or dependencies when it comes time to compile even the absolute simplest of programs.  Oh, you might want to talk to Armond or Shard or Danny or somebody about this, they know more than I do.  All I can do is create a recursive function attempting to calculate your mother's mass, but it causes a stack overflow.  When you're ready to be ULTIMATE HARDCORE, install AT&T UNIX.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 19:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you (to both) Lilondra  [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  05:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend starting with java, because it's much easier to learn when you don't have to worry about pointers and linking and preprocessors and memory allocation and all that other nice stuff C has. Java is much more idiot-proof (no offense), which is why they teach it first in schools now. It's really, really hard to mess up with java. Sun also has full documentation right on their website, complete with tutorials with source code. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 05:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * none taken :) I've been wanting to learn programming for a while now.I'm rly bored at school so I need something new. Lilondra [[Image:User_Lilondra_Sig.jpg|21x21px]] *poke*  05:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I started with C++, migrated to Java, and now I'm working almost exclusively with Python, PHP, and AS3. I would strongly suggest beginning with Java if you want some heavy learning or Python if you want to take things easy. JCreator 3.0 is my preferred Java compiler. For editing, I prefer ConTEXT because of its simple beauty and wonderful syntax support. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC) –Jette 20:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, help me. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody got the stack overflow thing? :<  Sons, I am disappoint.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Stack overflow? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Your mother is so fat, the recursive function computing her mass causes a stack overflow." –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 18:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ups. as far as i've been able to push python, i've yet to get an overflow. i have managed to pump my CPU usage to 100% on multiple occasions, but no overflow yet. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "He thinks high-level languages count as real programming!"
 * If I was getting paid anywhere near a decent wage for programming, I would gladly use Assembly or C. Unfortunately for my server's efficiency, minimum wage means Python and PHP are the only two things I can be fucked to code with. ;o ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The great thing about being a programmer is that your boss has no idea of how anything works, which means he basically has to go on what you tell him. If you say he can't turn his screen sideways for a portrait view to read long messages because it needs special, expensive proprietary drivers to keep the pixels from falling out, he can't prove you wrong.  Or, more relevantly, if you say a gremlin has gotten into the server and you have to work twice as hard because of it, he can't really know whether or not it's crap.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 21:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, even more relevantly, you tell him that you're updating modules on your drupal installation, give him a frustrated look, and go back to lurking wiki because he's convinced that updating modules must take a few hours to do and occurs multiple times per week. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki
is it an easier install than drupal? i'm currently using drupal for more-or-less the same purpose. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  21:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "mediawiki"


 * "easy"


 * HAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA
 * Seriously though, just use WikiPad or similar software. Unless you absolutely cannot be bothered with a flash drive and need access to it anywhere, there's no point to it.  With that said, I have not tried drupal and would not know, but I can't imagine MW would be any better or worse.  I feel I should point out, however, I installed it through CygWin, not the normal Windows, so I'm not sure if it'd work on a normal version of Windows.  I don't even know what I'm running anymore.  I have FreeBSD on one drive, Windows 7 on another and Debian on another.  The worst part of it is, I've set up a virtual machine so that I can use any of them whenever I need to -- and then I go to the trouble of using things like CygWin, Wine and everything else.  Computers are stupid.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 22:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why so seriously complicated? NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 10:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because "end-user friendly" and "clueless operator friendly" are two totally different things. If you don't know what PHP, Apache and MySQL are and have a relatively decent idea of how to use them already, then you'll be in for a rough trip.  It's cool though, about an hour and a half of googling (less, tbh, but it took me forever to figure out how to emulate a USB stick) will get it done.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Theoretically speaking
What would happen if I tried to brute-force my way into my skype account? And which program or tool would be most suitable (completely hypothetically) for this task? NuVII  17:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, theoretically speaking, you would be caught within minutes. The FBI, CIA, KGB, SSi and RPG would be on your doorstep with a waterboarding warrant and a bucket of flashbang & smoke grenades.  Hypothetically, the chase could take weeks.  More likely, you would just a virus running one.  I'm not familiar with Skype (I hate phone calls as it is, making them over the computer is just counterproductive), but if it requires a password, in this day & age it will have an anti-cracking measure, which always means a way to prevent brute force.  In any event, almost if not all "password crackers" are malware of some kind or another, designed for "1337 h4ckers" to download and run without antivirus protection because they're running Common Sense 2010 or some other bullshit.  You could write one yourself/ask a friend to do it, but you'd be better off asking Skype for it back.  –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 20:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't listen to Jette. He is dumb. Brute forcing your way into your own account is in no way illegal, and provided there aren't things set up to prevent brute-forcing, it is completely possible. Your best chances are going to be AutoHotkey or Python, depending on your programming experience. I've personally brute-forced my own Guild Wars account just to see if it was possible. (Mind you, it took almost a straight week.) If you don't use pseudorandom passwords, you could use a dictionary attack that would take less than half the time, especially if you have some ideas of what it could be. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Danny, how exactly would he prove that he was brute forcing his own account instead of some random's without the password handy? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 22:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * An email response from the account email and/or the original access keys? ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  23:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Danny, but I figured it out. Also, doesn't GW use a delay system to prevent brute-forcing? NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 18:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not as far as I've experienced. You can enter bad passwords at a rate of about 1 every other second and I didn't notice any reduction in speed. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Final question: Did you use a program to do that? Or does one have to know some programming? NuVII  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] 18:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I wrote my own script using AutoHotkey. I would strongly suggest programming one yourself since any cracking programs you find online are generally pretty shady. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  18:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

sig
For *whatever* reason, the hat breaks spacing when it's at a different indentation than the text above it. It's not a huge amount, and I don't know if anyone cares (it's better than the sigs at bulbapedia, at any rate), but I thought I'd let you know. -- Armond Warblade 23:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Texmod Question
Is it possible to take the texture of this, and put it on one of these? If so, how does I go about doing it? <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  23:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Choose the skin you want (you will need to have the shield yourself or easily accessible [friend/NPC]) and start the texmod.exe modding GW.exe in log mode. Then you skip through the textures until the skin of the shield you want to use is selected. Save it. Then skim for the shield you want to graft this on and save the selected texture. Now, close GW and go to your output folder (beforehand determined), cut the name of the carrier shield and re-name the dream skin shield with this cut name. Start texmod in package build mode and create a new "mod". Finally, start texmod normally, i.e. package load; there you go. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So, i save both textures, swich the chaos axe's texture name with the sheild's (i want to mod) texture name, but how do i make the textmod? <font color="black" face="courier new">¤Dark  ';~;' <font color="darkslategray" face="courier new">Chaos¤  00:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Package Build -> Definition File (select the automatically generated log file in the output folder) -> Build <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that the texture may not wrap around the new skin as neatly as it did the old. If you want to be absolutely sure it's right, you should modify the original skin with the new skin as a reference. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 02:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

wat
Email is so last century, gimme your MSN instead. Vili &#x70B9; 04:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * jette37@live.com –Jette [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)