Talk:Magni the Bison

What's in a name?
M. Bison? I love Anet sometimes. - HeWhoIsPale 13:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And for more Street Fighter references, is it just me, or does the Brawling Uppercut look astonishingly like Ryu/Ken's Dragon Punch? --Thervold 17:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This guy is tough.... --Deathwing 19:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No doubt about that. Hammer warrior is always the most balanced breed.  Damage and disable all in one package. Lightblade 20:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that and 25% increased damage and level 24. Quite the battle for a Paragon : / --Deathwing 21:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Plus the final round says Championship Edition. Which was my favourite version because I could finally play as Sagat. XD --Redfeather 22:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually M. Bison(Boss) was called 'Vega', Vega(Spanish) was called Balrog, and Balrog(Boxer) was the name M(ike) Bison. Akuma's name it's really 'Gouki' too. A referece to that would be even better. MithranArkanere 00:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The great name shuffle of the US version of Street Fighter 2 was to avoid legal unpleasantness over the Boxer's name being so similar to Mike Tyson's. (Also according to Wikipedia, apparently Vega didn't sound scary enough to English speaking audiences.) Despite his "real" name being Vega, 90% of the people who played Street Fighter growing up will know him as M. Bison. - [[Image:User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG]] HeWhoIsPale 12:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Builds?
Any build ideas and tips would be appreciated on how to tackle him. Especially for the Paragon!!! Alaris 07:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Does he run faster than you? If not, consider running around in circles for 60 seconds until his Bear Form wears off before attempting to tackle him. As a Paragon, the skill Burning Shield may help. Self-heals will probably be your biggest concern here. Since most of a Paragon's self-heals are weaker without a party, turning to your secondary is probably the best course of action. --Zaxares 13:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ebon Dust Aura?--Drekmonger 15:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nonsensical Spear+Barbed Spear. --Deathwing 15:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I am a paragon to and still haven't found a way to defeat him. I do found out that if you cripple him he will go back to his startpoint if you run away from him. A combo of Barbed spear (or anything else that causes bleeding) and Nonsensical Spear for the crippleling shoud keep him on a save distance. The problem is that you need 3 hits to recharge Barbed Spear. I might try to find something out how to kill him, and make it trought the first rounds to :P.


 * Focused Anger --Deathwing 21:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is an Me/N Build. I hope someone finds it useful. I heard a secondary ritualist using spirits outside the arena and painful bond on the enemy works very well. --Redfeather 22:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I used Grenth's Balance, Distracting Shot, Savage Shot, Point Blank Shot, Lightning Reflexes, Throw Dirt, Favorable Winds and Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support on my prim Ranger to defeat him. The Assasin and Point Blank aren't that important and can be replaced with random damage skills or another defensive skill. Favorable Winds can probably replaced with Read the Wind, but the higher arrow travel speed is important to interrupt his Bear Form. Go into melee and blind him, also interrupt Purge Signet to keep him blinded. Grenth's is a nice damage and heal skill. I'm sure that there are a lot of builds that are better than this, but for me it worked. Most of the opponents before him are also not a real problem. -Khan Reaper Kerensky 12:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I defeated him at Norn rank 4 using "You Move Like a Dwarf!", Barbed Spear, Nonsensical Spear and Vampirism. Vampirism was taken mainly for healing in earlier rounds, it's also useful as a distraction, but it's not necessary. -- Gordon Ecker 12:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's a neat idea to try: Bring a cheap, energy-based Chant like Anthem of Flame, and Signet of Aggression to charge up your adrenaline skills, including Barbed Spear, to maximum BEFORE beginning the fight with Magni. Bring Maiming Spear to keep him crippled, and Disrupting Throw to interrupt his Purge Signet. Stunning Strike may be a good elite to use with this build, because you can charge it fully before beginning the match against spellcasters, and Anthem of Flame + Stunning Strike = instant Daze on spellcasters. --Zaxares 00:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * My ele uses an earth build. E/Me with 16 Earth, 12 Energy, 9 Inspiration and Geomancer armour.  Mantra of Earth, Stone Striker, Stoneflesh Aura, Armor of Earth, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Eruption, Sandstorm and Obsidian Flame.  I have completed the tourny lots of times using the build.  The only 2 opponents that I have trouble with are Alesia, because of her healing ;_; and Gwen with her interrupts. Doll 00:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Signet of Midnight, Empathy, Ignorance did the trick for me. Aethan 09:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Doll, I used that build on my ele last night and didn't die once (didn't get Gwen though), got my crown just before the event was over :) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Ele air build:



The most difficult part of this is Gwen with her interrupts(or Norgu) but they are still possible. Also, watch out for Kahmu since he can remove enchantement. This shouldn't be a problem because Aura of Restoration has a faster recharge time than Rending Touch. The boss is very easy, just blind him whenever you can. While he casts Purge Signet simply run away a little and cast blinding flash again.Paul revere 02:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I used something similar, but subbed in Shell Shock for lightning strike, and mystic regeneration for the aura of regeneration. If you run this, be sure to bring a vampiric weapon or something for Mhenlo. Craw 22:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

SV 55 Build
For a 55/105 Mo/N (probably a N/Mo, too), this works about 95% of the time.



For more information on using this build against EVERY FOE and some general tips, I made a very long, very pretty build page: User:The_Goron/SV_Invincimonk_Against_Magni

Feedback is appreciated! The Goron 03:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

shelter spirt
personnally i found that the spirit shelter helps a lot, mainly because i use my pet to tank and use asura summon+ebon vanguard assasin. otherwise try using protective spirit against him, as he will not be able to kill you easily this wayRhydeble 17:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The Beefed up Magni
It seems that with the official rollout of the EN expansion, Magni got beefed up by several degrees. He now has at least 2000 health, and his Bear Form is no longer interruptible as he casts it the moment you enter the Arena (and thusly, are out of interrupt range). The old Spirit Spammer build used to defeat him no longer works either as he (and all other competitors for that matter) charge at you as soon as you enter the Arena (thus not giving you time to put up spirits anymore). Has anybody been able to defeat him in his latest incarnation? --Zaxares 22:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have the expansion yet, but the "You Move Like a Dwarf!" / Barbed Spear / Nonsensical Spear strategy I used for him during the preview should still work, as should other dual snare + ranged damage builds, however the margin for error would be much smaller due to his Health buff. -- Gordon Ecker 22:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I found Barbed Trap and a speed stance worked wonders for keeping ahead of him. Barbed trap can be spammed against those who don't have condition removal. You can get him to trigger purge signet early by applying some other condition before he reaches the trap. --BozoCat--24.128.87.220 05:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're saying he didn't use bear for you immediately before? Thats always been what he did against me...including preview. Same strat applies for me, crip and run.  One thing thats annoying me is the 100-200 life heal every few seconds he gets, out healing my paragon's previous build.  &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by  76.102.172.202 (talk &bull; contribs) at  03:19, 1 September 2007  (UTC).


 * No, I'm saying he was easier to wear down before he had 2000+ Health. Wait a minute ... he HEALS now? What skill does he use? -- Gordon Ecker 04:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've still beaten him and most of the others with a spirit spam build after release. You just have to actually show a little more skill at it now.  As for the heals, it's coming from a spectator most likely; it happens with other opponents too, and it's fricking annoying.  --Valshia 04:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * His healing appears to be an innate property of his, similar to the Unnatural Resistance quality of the Prophecies bosses, as I've noticed him still healing even when his Bear Form wore off. For the record, I've managed to defeat Magni in his beefed up status using a slightly modified 55 Smiting build with 105 health, Bane Signet, Holy Strike, Signet of Judgement and Stonesoul Strike. It's slow killing Magni, but if you just remember to renew Protective Spirit on you, beating him is simple. Just hope you don't get matched up against Mhenlo in Round 5. :P


 * Oh, and there IS a known case of spectators healing Magni (and sometimes you) in between matches. It's unclear whether this is a bug, but I do hope that it gets fixed. --Zaxares 10:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The Necro 55 SV boss farming build works really good on Magni, and almost everyone in the tournament. I can kill everyone with this build except for danika because of her allies that you touch skills. Devona, Kahmu, and Norgu can be tricky but they can still be beaten.


 * i came to him with 55 SV build. but i didn't get him down...because of his pure signet :/ Zerpha The Improver 22:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm still using the earth build I said ^ up there and so far so good. Although,

the spectators healing is really annoying, I either have to stay right at my gate or run to the opponents' so they're out of reach and can't be healed. Anywhere in the middle area is just a healing spamfest. Doll 21:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (2 September 2007, After-release) The popular Ritualist build involving various offensive spirits STILL work. Some people reported that the opponent will charge you as soon as the fight starts. This is not true. They charge you only after you enter the arena. Here is the trick. As a Ritualist, move slowly (VERY SLOWLY) and just before you reach the arena, stand on the doorstep. From that location, you can summon all 6 spirits you have and after that, cast Painful Bond before running back to the door. To some heroes, typically Mhenlo, he dies in 2 combined attacks. Hope this helps. [Spirits are Pain, Vapirism, Bloodsong, Wanderlust, Earthbind and Shadowsong.]


 * The healing is confirmed. It's the dwarven monk, and it is random. There are four possible placement for the dwarven monk. If you frame the arean like a clock where he's at 12 and you are at 6 o'clock, then the dwarven monk can be at 11, 2, 5 and 7. The monk heals both you and him, whoever is closer. There's usually only 1 monk per round. It is easy to move out of his healing range if you are fighting against a melee opponent such as Magni. I find that it is impossible to move a spellcaster out of the healing range if the monk is at the 11 or 2 o'clock position. Sarius Sharp 20:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC) 04.09.2007 S.Sharp


 * The latest update removed the healing. Thanks! Sarius Sharp


 * Anybody have a good derv build for bison? I've tried Ebon Dust Aura and  Dust Cloak, but still having trouble, any tips?


 * You can find many suggestions there. Chriskang 15:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

You Move Like A Dwarf!
I was running an Earth build with Stoneflesh + Armor of earth then I just did high damage skills to kill em' easy. I noticed he'll run away if you use "You Move Like A Dwarf!" So, I'd YMLAD! him, then I'd Shockwave, then back up a little, he walks away, then I'd Obsidian Flame him. Rinse&Repeat 'till death! He kites because of the knockdown, preceded by Cripple--Ʀєʟʟɑ 03:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Pansi the Bison!--Ʀєʟʟɑ 03:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a nice way to kill him, YMLAD is also good if you need to kite away. Not only for the KD, but as you say, if you run - he'll go to his startposition. Anyways, if you want to interupt his bear form, just auto-run towards him as fast as you can when the gate opens. While running, spam YMLAD. If you where quick enough at the start, you should be able to interupt his bear form. It certainly works for me. (Kendil 16:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

IMMUNE TO CONDITIONS????!!!
I BLINDED HIM AND HE STILL KEPT KILLING ME!!!! AAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!! JORLZ36181 18:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC) nvm...he has purge signet...............@#$%JORLZ36181 19:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

NERF THE FRIKING GUY
NERF THIS GUY HES INPOSSIBLE TO BEAT!!!!!!!! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.235.9.84 (talk &bull; contribs) at  19:49, 3 August 2008  (UTC).


 * just find the right build and you can beat him, its not that tough. [[Image:User ShadowSong sig.jpg|19px]] ShadowSong  14:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * He does need a nerf otherwise refer to the PvX for cheap kill. Maybe later I'll post you the exploit to the tournament.--ShadowFog 17:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If your current profession is having trouble, try going full secondary with another profession with "You Move Like a Dwarf!".--ShadowFog 11:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * lol @ impossible to beat Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 10:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can't beat Magni the Bison - I don't care what your profession is, but you fail at PvE. And that's sad. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 10:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Guide:Norn_Fighting_Tournament. Heres the link. Some professions fails against him. Change to an adequate full secondary and profit. Dont forget to bring "You Move Like a Dwarf!".--ShadowFog 11:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Every single profession can beat Magni by only using skills in their own profession, and not even using PvE skills. It's just the getting there which makes it hard for some professions. But still, there are builds for every single profession that work reliably on (almost) every foe without relying on imba PvE skills or completely going secondary skills. (Any caster class can go /Rt and spam spirits to win, for example) They just take more...what do you call it?...skill.


 * Most of the content for EotN was baed stuff, especially the solo quests; but Magni's tournament, especially, I like. It helps to weed out the people who can't play their profession from those that can. ;) You can argue that Build Wars was never meant to be played solo...but, just like the Doppelganger, this is one of those rites of passage to prove yourself as a competent player. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 12:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It was fucking hard to beat the doppelganger with my axe monk. He did so much more damage than I did. Misery 12:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean for Hard Mode? Otherwise...


 * ...ur doin it wrong. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 12:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * hao2cap Decapitate in the desert? In fact a lot of those skills are after the desert. Misery 12:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Clearly you must have been in Easymode, then, in which case I am not sure how you could fail. Just take a Shield, 12 tactics, 12 Axe Mastery, and Shield Stance. Win. That works for every profession in easymode btw. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 12:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I was doing it wrong to be honest, this was three years ago. Misery 12:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * is how I beat the dopple at level 14 :/ - Auron 12:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Eventually I beat him with just Healing Breeze. He doesn't use it for some reason. Misery 13:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Because even he knows how bad the skill is b.r // talk  13:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * urbaed. It's amazing on split eles. Misery 13:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your face is a splite ele b.r // talk  13:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed bug is fixed; these days it will use Healing Breeze. Also, I've heard accounts of people beating the Doppelganger at level 5. So yeah, he's really not hard. :\ I still think it is a valid comparison to Magni, though; "back in the day" of just Prophecies, he was widely considered to be a challenge, for the same reason that people fail at Magni's tourney: they are bad players who need to rely on crutches like the Healing Breeze bug thing to win. Vili [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 13:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "So yeah, he's really not hard." should be "So yeah, bad AI is bad." IMO. I did the SF expunge enchantments trick to beat him in HM. --[[Image: User_Ezekial_Riddle_sig.jpg|19px|Talk]] Riddle 13:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Stupid
This whole solo quest is just stupid. I've tried every build I could find over and over and still can't win this tournament. Magni is so overpowered it's ridiculous. I don't understand how he can hit you with his hammer when you are ahead of him running around the arena. It must have a reach of 20 feet!!! I feel like I am just wasting my time with this rather than trying to enjoy the game. If all you do is run around then what fun is this and why even have it? Every one says to use spirit spam build...but what good are the other classes if you can't win. Just get rid of them then. Once ANet does not fail to disappoint me.


 * Took me about 3 days and 7 plat to finally beat him as a Dervish IIRC. ...big time regret over that one.  So yeah, depending on which class you are, it might be better to just give up(IE: Paragon or Warrior).  Of the 3 skills awarded... Finish Him is the only one I've even found a use for and even then I rarely ever use it now.  A buncha basement-dwellers here will try to convince you otherwise but the truth is he's totally overpowered and not worth fighting unless you have no life. -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 08:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sign your comments with four tildes (~), please. Roll a Spirit Spammer with Shadowsong and Signet of Spirits, or bring blinding and blocking skills, or even play a friggin 55 monk. There are a lot of possibilities you aren't seeing if you're complaining about THIS guy being hard, because, well, he isn't. I have defeated him on my Ranger, Ritualist, and Monk, and I think my Assassin too. Multiple times on each. In fact, if you really want to have fun, play a Ranger and use Pin Down, Apply Poison and Burning Arrow. Degen him to death while he limps towards you futilely. --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 08:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, he's probably hitting you because of Irresistible Blow, and hammer attacks are slow, so when he catches up and starts his attack, it'll take a bit. Either that or you're rubberbanding hardcore. --[ Kyoshi ]::[ Talk ] 08:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Secondary rit, bring a decent staff,12 channeling,12communing, get Vampirism, Bloodsong, Pain, Shadow Song, Displacement, Ymlad, Ebon vang assasin support, Random skill mebbe painful bond

Bye nubsThe Emmisary 23:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Impossible...
Don't tell me that this is possible for 55 monks or spirit spammers. Because I'm a warrior, and I have tryed so manny builds, but still can't kill last boss. And I don't wanna waste 15 k or more for a quest. So how did Anet think when they created this boss? He hits me for 150 and I got 100 armor against him, and he use wiekness against me, which makes me useless, and spam KD. So what am I suposted to do? Kinda lame that only some classes can make this quest, and the quest revards is really good for warriors like me, so why are we not suposted to done this quest without spending so much monney? --DeikO 19:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you looked here? There are a few different builds to use for warrior (never tried them, my warrior is ~ lvl 6). -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 19:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Pfft
Im srsly starting to hate all this 'Imposible to Beat' crap- I Beat him with a Spirit Spam Warrior Build.Exactly.i stooped that Low, now that killed him after less than 10 minutes. If you guys cant beat him with better profetions, i must be in god mode.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord  16:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * How amazing! I am jealous of your pro skills! - Mini Me   talk  16:56, 3 April 2010

Magni is still King - April 16, 2010
by Stevizard

I've spent my last two weeks at Gunnar's Hold trying to complete the Norn Fighting Championship and beat Magni the Bison. I've spent thousands paying the 100 gold fee that is charged in order to enter the competition. I've tried so many builds on my Elementalist/Monk trying to beat this quest that I've lost count. I've also lost a lot of confidence in my ability to play Guild Wars (you can't keep taking so many "azz-whippings" and still feel good about yourself.)

My Elementalist can easily defeat all of the characters leading up to Magni the Bison, but it doesn't survive long enough to beat him. In point of fact, I've tried EVERY SINGLE ELEMENTALIST BUILD POSTED ON THIS PAGE over and over (and many others not on it). Each time, I run out of energy long before he runs out of life.

I'm not certain, but I think that the key to beating him is to reach Norn level 8 (Slayer of Champions) or above. This means that you've got to spend MANY HOURS sweeping Drakkar Lake over & over (and other such places) in order to acquire the necessary Norn points. If the game programmers wanted to BORE YOU TO DEATH, they couldn't have thought of a better way.

I've been playing Guild Wars for over a year (still a newbie I guess). Guild Wars has many, many good things about it, but there are a lot of things I don't like about the game. Here are just a few:

1. Most quests require too much time to complete (3 level dungeons take a lot of time).

2. You cannot save your progress during a quest (sometimes I've got to leave the computer and come back later, but Guild Wars forces me to start over - I hate this).

3. The game never tells you anything in advance (you find stuff you can't use, which you sell, and then later find out you need it for a quest - too bad sucker).

4. Some quests are found only in an explorable area. Since they aren't offered in towns, you can never be sure you've found them all.

5. There aren't enough quests to gain the points required to best a challenge (i.e., North Championship), which means you have to indulge in mindless point farming (we all hate this).

Well, there are more, but this is about Magni the Bison so my best suggestion for beating him is to farm points until you reach Norn level 8 or higher, then take a shot at him. A few classes may be able to beat him earlier but they're going to spend some gold on fees to learn how to do it.

Best of luck,

Stevizard


 * You do make a few valid points, this quest is rather difficult to complete, Bison's a hard one to kill if you don't do it right. However, what you say about sweeping Drakkar lake over and over to get to r8 Norn, it's much easier to just speedbook to r8. Or even just play through EotN a couple times and turn in the full book once or twice. I once got a ranger who had no rank in Norn to r5 for some armor in less than two days, and I only completed one NM Hero's Handbook to do it. Truth is, if you know how it's really easy to gain any of the EotN titles. As for the builds requiring Norn rank to work right... I don't know about that one, they might make it easier on the player, but to be honest I don't think that r8 is *required* to beat him. Given that you've only been playing a year, I'm not entirely surprised you're having trouble beating him, no offence. Good luck to you though, I hope you can pull it off and kill him. ;3 Pariah [[File:User Pariah Pariahmoa.png]] talk  05:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Excuse me mr. unsigned guy but i've got to R9 and above in all 4 titles without ever VQ an area more than once.Granted, i did 20 or 30 CoF runs but i enjoyed them.And if you think that something is too hard or takes too long, why do it in the first place? Super Range Ranger 07:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

PVE Only
"You Move Like A Dwarf!" plus Summon Ice Imp plus Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support.

With these three skills, Magni the Bison is actually pretty easy. In fact, you can spend most of your time walking around in circles.

As soon as you walk out, use the Summon, while he's changing into a bear. The Imp will keep him slow for a chunk of the time, and while the Imp's Ice Spikes skill is recharging, you use the shout to keep Magni slow. If you can, try to time your shouts so that they either interrupt Purge Signet or occur immediately after he Purges himself, to reapply the slowness. And when you know Ice Imp is getting close to expiring, call on the assassin, which will distract Magni for a few seconds. When he kills the assassin, shout at him, and that should buy you enough time and distances to resummon the Imp.

Other then that, just keep running away and doing whatever damage your profession allows whenever you feel safely out of reach.

I've done this with multiple professions, and it works for all the ones I've tried. It is spectacularly effective if you are a primary or secondary ranger (you can bring a pet as an added distraction), but it works with others, too.

For reference, I just tried this with only those three skills. Nothing else on my skillbar, all my attributes at 0, and no weapon equipped. It still worked. (Although getting through Dervs became a pain in the neck)

Mesmer Build
I had tried off and on to beat this quest, but never could. My main goal is doing this quest was to get Xandra, which is easy to do. But then I decided to beat Magni, to get those skills he gives out for the victory. Variations of my normal build didn't work, so I finally stopped, did some reading and changed my tactics. Success. I wound up with a build which allows me to do damage-over-time to all the foes, including Magni. I supppose it is a litte bit of a cheat, since I actually took two other allies in there with me, but it worked.

I run in and cast YMLAD to knock the foe down. That gives you times to cast your spirit somewhat in the middle of the area. Then sick the Assassin on them for further distraction. Apply your two health degens, hit with Chaos Storm and run away, if they are not already defeated. Heal as needed with Ether Feast.

For Magni, just keep him moving around, he is much weaker when the Bear Form wears off. Don't let him catch up to you and hit you with that big hammer. The spirit will distract him. Keep knocking him down, let the health degen work on him, and sick the assassin on him every time you can. Victory should be yours inside of two minutes. Darwin Iznang 21:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)