User talk:Ab.er.rant/2008Q2

User Page
I'd like to borrow aspects of your page. May I? --  Arkhar  04:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As a related question, in the format you use on your characters page, is there a way to put characters 6->9 beneath characters 2->5? --  Arkhar  21:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, just add a new row to the table, a . I hope you don't mind me editing your character page to put it in. -- ab.er. rant  [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 00:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No complaints here. :) --  Arkhar  23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Leaving a note that I'll most likely want to borrow your rounded bar elements from your Characters page. Yukiko 10:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wohkay :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 13:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I love your character templates, and would sure like to use elements of it. I used some already, and have already credited you. If there's an issue with this, please let me know. Thanks! -- User:Norstrum 01:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :D No worries. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

How to do Signatures
Hi, I am new to Wikis, how do you make a sig with diferent fonts and images? Is there a special option for that? Thanks!--Gabeeshy 12:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Help:Signatures should help you to find out more about sigs and how to customise them. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 14:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!--Gabeeshy 14:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Elections
A few quick questions before the elections get here (I am going to try to ask each sysop and users, who imo deserve it, these questions):
 * 1) If you were nominated would you accept?
 * 2) If so, Do you believe that you would make a good bcrat?
 * 3) Would you be able to make wise choices when it comes to selecting administrators?
 * 4) Would you be sure to explain your actions when using your powers as a bcrat?
 * 5) Would you wear you status as a bcrat as a badge?
 * 6) Would you consider policy before taking any and all actions?
 * 7) How do feel towards our wikis community?

That should be enough. Thanks! -- Shadowphoenix   21:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. I'll think about it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 10:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure about this. There's one point that others will most likely bring up: my timezone. I noticed that Bex (in a nearby timezone) is less active these days so if the proposed changes to the admin does not get through, there's going to be gap of several hours with no sysop around. But if I get nominated, I'll accept. It's up to the voting users. I'll answer the rest of your questions regardless.
 * I think so, but what I believe is less important than what others believe. If others think that I would, then I'll try to meet their expectations.
 * Given how our RfA works, I don't see how difficult it is to gauge the relative support and oppose votes.
 * Bureaucrats are required to explain their actions so I don't think I'll last very long if I don't.
 * Are you asking whether I'll brandish it about? The most I'll do is change my little sysop link on my user page to point to the bureaucrat section instead. And I have to add in an email address too it would seem.
 * Do I currently, as a sysop? I don't believe I'll act much differently than I do now.
 * I like it here, the good and bad of it. That's why I'm still around.
 * -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 11:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here we go! Guild Wars Wiki:Elections/2008-04 bureaucrat election/Ab.er.rant. I hope you'll accept.--Dirigible 10:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Since the admin draft I'm currently following will allow bcrats to continue acting as sysops, I fully support this nomination. &mdash;Tanaric 16:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gl. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  03:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you too :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 04:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, even thought I probably wont come anywhere near you in Support votes ^^;; lol &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  04:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Warhammer
You play Warhammer 40k too? :D First person ive seen on here that does, i love that game ;D Though im still not very good at it hehehe Anywho cya around the wiki :D  Darren Blacktail 10:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The keyword is "played" :D I still have Winter Assault sitting on my table and I've yet to get the other two expansions... I feel so left out by my two other friends who have more time to play the additional expansions. But then again, they don't have time for GW :D so it's fair. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 10:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Edits
Thanks for the Edits. Im still new to the way things works so I appreciate it. The only reason i removed your first one was so that I could keep the page clean for guildies and other questions/ comments. --Yamahasynth 05:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * New sections go to the bottom ;) No worries, everyone's new at least once. I was just hoping I didn't offend you by feeling like I was hounding your edits or something :) Welcome to the wiki! -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No not at all. Well ty again!!--Yamahasynth 05:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Extra Profile Info
I have seen the extra profile info around wiki. (such as the necromancer at heart one) Where can I get those?--Yama 05:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just a template that you can use by including, say,  on your page. You can also start browsing for ideas in Category:Users providing user page layouts. Take note of our user page policy as well. -- ab.er. rant  [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ty again for the help.--Yama 05:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Rant
Hey, just read your "rant". For what its worth, I think you acted just fine in the recent debacle. I personally would not have blocked Kougar at that point, but you were the person on the spot and you acted reasonably. That's the point of admin discretion - it's very easy to have 20/20 hindsight after the event but someone has to make the tough calls when they come up. I think you can see from the positive reaction you your buro candidacy that most of the wiki recognises this and has faith in your judgment.Cassie 09:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Replica description
Hi. Since you're the last (active user) who replied on the talk page of Unique Items I wanted to ask you the question I posted there. Could you have a look? I don't want to go on editing if I'm doing that part wrong. Thanks. BlazeRick 10:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was? Heh, I don't remember. I don't pay much attention to the greens project (mostly because I suck at getting greens and I'm too lazy to farm), but I'll take a look and respond there. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :D BlazeRick 18:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Character Page
For a while now I've been trying to think of a way to keep your Character page horizontal while removing the horizontal scrolling. While working on something else I came across the overflow attribute of div's and after some testing have come up with a possible solution for you. Before your second character; Silk Harpsong; immediately after the clear you could add the code  and add the end div tag right after the last character before the end of the table. While it is similar to how you have it now, it removes the actual extra space on the right while keeping the same layout. Although I personally dislike using % dimensions when it comes to tables, you could also try 100% for the width, that way it would be fine no matter what resolution people are on. The width I chose is based on my screen resolution - 1280x1024 so might need some tweaking but hopefully you like the result :) -- Kakarot  16:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You been thinking about "for a while now"? :D My characters page proved a challenge you couldn't ignore eh? Heheh. Thanks :) Another user told me about something like that some time before but since it just moved the scrollbar from the window into an inline/embedded sort of thing, I was too lazy to figure it out :D since you so kindly provided the HTML, I won't waste it. I actually wanted to stack them all up on top of each other but without any large whitespace between them, but I just haven't gotten around to actually testing to see how it looks :D Thanks again. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 17:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Now there is only something needed to move the scroll bar to the top :| poke | talk 17:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I did notice your character page a while back but only came across that code a month or so ago. It was only after seeing you make a change to your characters page today that I remembered that I hadn't mentioned it to you lol. Glad I could help, especially since your userpage inspired my own :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 17:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

@_@
ಠ_ಠ -- Shadowphoenix   06:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Shh.. I'm supposed to be away from the wiki :P -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 06:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * *whispers* I know I was staring at you casue your not supposed to be here.  YOU SAW NOTHING!  -- Shadowphoenix   [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19x19px]] 06:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

hi
hi,您好，谢谢您的关注. --Weillz 08:25, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 不用客气 -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 09:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * that makes sense, japanese on an english wiki. hmmm....--Sum Mesmer Guy[[Image:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎|19px]] 09:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Chinese actually :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 09:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * same thing, pretty much. my point still stands though--Sum Mesmer Guy[[Image:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎|19px]] 09:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just like English and French are the same? Right.. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 13:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it was something around eighty percent of English is derived from French? --[[Image:User People of Antioch sig.png|Talk]] People of Antioch 15:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Which was derived from Latin? Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 16:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * influenced in huge parts :D but, ya, japanese and chinese are kinda like that since japanese characters are copy pasta from chinese ones. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 16:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the Japanese didn't have their own writing language but then saw the Chinese's writing language and kind of adapted it from them. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  16:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yes, they adapted it. you can find most characters of the katakana alphabet in kanji, which you can find in chinese language, too. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px|Have a look at my page]] 17:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * hi,you use MSN?请问 AB.er.rant ，您使用msn吗？--Weillz 17:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait English is a Germanic based language not a latin based language. Meaning most of our language usage is actually from the north of Europe, french is only secondary to that. (Or at least that's what my language tutor told me) Yeh as for chinese and Japanese, still very different languages but the Japanese is basically a copy and paste job from china. (Like most of Japanese culture up until the last couple of hundred years) -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 11:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 有用MSN. Email me and I'll reply. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Help!
Hi, Ab.er.rant, if you can see my user page i have a few of userboxes on there but i have to keep editing and putting spaces in so they line up properly, but on other people's pages i see them all lined up properly and with loads of boxes on there, if you can see what i mean by editing my page and then maybe telling me how i can improve it. thanks help would be greatly appreciated. MRD 21:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that what you wanted? :) poke | talk 07:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah thanks, do i just copy what you put like |) or whatever it is and then another userbox?
 * That is the table syntax; inside  and   you can define rows with   and cells with  . For more information see Help:Table on meta poke | talk 17:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Help with wiki policy
Hi, Ab.er.rant. Thanks for checking with me on my talk page. Yeah, it would be great if you can help me introduce the wiki policies to the Chinese users on there, because it might be difficult for them to understand all the policies in English. Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions or concerns on this :). --Jason Yu 00:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I could try and translate some of them (partially though), but since I'm not fully Chinese-educated, it'll be slow going. They can learn it bit by bit. For starters, the link I pointed out on your talk page is a good place to start from, since discussion appears to be primary motivation for it. Might I suggest pointing them to forums instead if all they want is to discuss GW stuff? A wiki is not exactly conducive for good organisation of discussion threads. (I'm replying here because it's much faster to type in English ;) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, I totally agree that a forum is a better place for doing this. Though it is quite difficult to find a Chinese GW forum now, and at the same time I am still looking for a better solution for this. I agree that it's rather hard to organize the discussions, and I really really appreciate your help :). --Jason Yu 19:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, I was trying to figure out what happened to the coding there, and why that page was not displaying correctly after I added in the missing images. :) ~    J.Kougar  17:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * did i miss something? i thought u were blocked.--Sum Mesmer Guy[[Image:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎|19px]] 18:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * J.Kougar's block duration has finished and his Arbitration is resolved, so he's free to resume editting. - Tanetris 18:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * right, my mistake--Sum Mesmer Guy[[Image:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎|19px]] 18:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My block was actually supposed to run out on the 8th, but because I asked for Arbitration my block was extended another six days. ...but yea, that's all taken care of now.  ~  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]  J.Kougar  15:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I miss something too? :D I can't remember what I did to deserve a thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake. After I uploaded missing images to the male elementalist Elite Stoneforged armor page a few days ago, only the first and third images were displaying.  I refreshed a bunch and looked at the code, but did not see the issue.  I started to ask someone about it but then noticed the page was working, and a quick glance revealed that you made the last edit... so I assumed you saw the error and fixed it, so I said thanks.  Upon closed look I saw that you made that edit long ago, so I'm still not sure why the page wasn't displaying correctly for a while there, but the important part is that it works now.  :)  ~  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]  J.Kougar  15:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's our stupid image cache, probably :) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 15:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it might have been, but I'd never seen it do that when there was no prior image, and one was then loaded. Oh well.  :)  ~  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]  J.Kougar  15:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It happens to images with no prior versions as well, just less often. Sometimes the images would fail to load up on the image page but shows up in the article where it's used. Sometimes it fails to load up as a thumbnail but loads up nicely on the image page. That's what I noticed anyway. -- ab.er. rant  [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 15:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments
" It's a little difficult to justify spending my time grinding for the titles when we have absolutely no specifics on what the Hall of Monuments actually does in GW2."

I hear you on that. Deep down I have the fear that we are all spending weeks of ingame time to grind titles and in the end all we will get is some room with status reading "btw, your great grandfather was a really cool guy" in GW2... --Xeeron 09:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey dudes! So what would be a cool thing to happen/see/be given in the Hall of Monuments? --Xasxas256 10:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd hope for quite a bit of exclusive content. Nothing unfair gameplay-wise, just easily recognisable and/or exclusive content. I have no idea what exactly I would accept though, which is why I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly might ArenaNet offer that would make the title grind worthwhile yet still keep it fair for new players. As Xeeron said, if all I'm getting is a lousy title or exclusive emote or special minipet, I won't bother with HoM anymore. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 12:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be something similar to the current collector's edition rewards: Cool eye-candy, but not direct ingame benefits. Stuff that would be nice to get imho (in decreasing order of awesomeness):
 * Access to some unique areas/NPCs
 * Unique appearances
 * Unique sidekick/minipet/whatever we'll have in GW2
 * Unique emotes
 * Stuff I'd rather not see:
 * A decent weapon
 * Armor bonus
 * A special ability
 * So yeah, I ask for less than aberrant, but just a statue somewhere ... no. --Xeeron 12:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Help new to wiki
User talk:Saint Snipahoho From Guild Wars Wiki Jump to: navigation, search

I dunno if this is within the policy but I am using a template which I dunno how to edit to make it Image:user_Saint Snipahoho.jpg.

if someone can advise me on this then I wouldn't mind the help. If it is fine then i will leave it be.

--Saint Snipahoho 20:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

"Please place your character info in your own user space. You already have one at User:Edward yau/Characters. To rename your images, you have to re-upload. -- ab.er.rant 07:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)"

If when creating the page I knew that my I couldn't change my user page then i will agree to this. I rather have Edward Yau Deleted instead of this one. As most people in my guild know me as Saint Snipahoho and not Edward yau.

Also the Image I reuploaded it as the template for this page only uses Saint_Snipahoho.jpg so unless you can help change it for me to http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image:User_Edward_yau_Saint_Snipahoho.jpg. I have reasons for have 2 character sheets since one suits the main page.

And how come instead of advising me I get this anyways?

I have placed a userbox saying i am new to wiki.

Please Advise --Saint Snipahoho 11:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Anja already explained some things to you after you asked this question. Do you still need further clarification? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 13:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Removal of guild cleanup tag
Hi aberrant. Just wondering why you removed the guild cleanup tag off this page. It still seems to be too image-heavy to conform with our guild pages policies. Much of the content seems to also go beyond documenting the guild, which is also one of our guidelines. Kokuou 18:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The first is that the guild clean up tag was first created to make sure guild pages actually use our formatting style and not whatever style they want. The style we're enforcing is to ensure that they provide the basic information on their guild as well as contact info. The idea behind the policy and guidelines is to prevent guild page writers from treating it like their very own personal homepage - that is, we want to stop them from using a wiki page for their personal guild use. I personally don't really care how much info they dump into a guild page, since most people won't bother reading those stuff, even if they're interested in joining. As long as they're not using it like it's some sort of guild news page, recruitment forum, discussion board, etc. (i.e. not editing it often), I'm not inclined to take the trouble to ask them to trim it. If you still feel that it should be trimmed, do revert my change and I'll leave it to some other sysop to decide. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 13:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. No worries then; that makes sense. I think the user that created the page is misinterpreting the purpose of our guild-documenting section, but I suppose as long as it's not used for a message center, it's fine. Thanks for the clarification. :D Kokuou 13:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

personality test
imo personality tests are as accurate as iq tests, which means that they suck, u cant tell someones personality or intelligence based on a few questions, you would have to look at every aspect of ones life, and be observed for at least 10 years to even accurately determine a type of personality, also, people group personalities in few groups, when in reality, the people who made personality,and intelligence tests were simple minded, or at least not open minded, and ignorant to the fact that every person in the world has thier own personality, so what im sayin is.. that personality test means nothing--Arrythmia 22:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

sry, but anything that groups such a far reaching, and wide diversity of people, whether it be by race,sex,age,personality,or intelligence generally annoys me--Arrythmia 22:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's well known that there are always exceptions to every rule, so obviously these types of tests don't work on 100% of people. However, psychology studies have shown that they are fairly accurate for the majority of the population. Of course they're not going to predict every minuscule personality trait, and they don't claim to.
 * It's also well documented that IQ tests test only logic and reasoning abilities, as opposed to other types of intelligences. And yes, IQ tests are fairly accurate for the most part because of their nature; a person's average is calculated based on the average scores of other participants. They find the average number correct for the population, and that score becomes 100; anything above or below that is a simple comparison to the population as a whole. But you'd know that if you took any first-year university psychology course. Kokuou 01:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Personality tests are like exams and school papers Arrythmia. They don't really mean anything either. Those papers don't really measure exactly what you know, but yet they're still used ;)


 * But I understand what you mean. I don't take them dead serious, but some of the quizzes can be fun. The good quizzes are those that not only tell you what type of a person you are, but also tries to analyse what you might be lacking in. The latter part can be a good way to learn about yourself. Obviously, you can't accurately measure a person's intelligence or personality. But these help in statistics. These test results help generalise a segment of a population for categorisation. Rather than saying we have 6 billion personality types in the world, it's more useful to try to group these diverse people into a much smaller set of categories. Trying to devise a way to analyse 6 billion categories isn't exactly fun or useful. By attempting to group people into broader categories or segments, tools and analysis become more meaningful and useful. It's important to remember that these tests are not meant to be 100% accurate. They're meant to offer a generalised perspective of whatever they're trying to categorise. They don't measure it as a whole, they only measure a certain aspect. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 13:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

User:63.209.236.223
There is probably some blatent answer to this that I'm not seeing, but why were the recent edits from this IP reverted? most of them seemed constructive; the only one not allowed being the article on Riven Earth, which belonged in GW2W....Just curious, thats all. --  Wandering Traveler  01:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I feel that all GW2 related lore and facts should go into the GW2 wiki, since that's what it's set up for, so I used that as the primary reason for proposing deletion. But in this case, is there a dragon in Riven Earth? I haven't been there in a while but I don't recall anything like that. So I did not use that as the primary reason. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember seeing something similar to what he is describing in Riven Earth...it could be one of them. I'm not caught up on my GW2 Lore >.<. but the deletions make sense. Thanks for clearing that up. --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  01:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at his addition to the Tyria (world) article, either he's got some really good inside information, or he's making stuff up, because I've never seen the Mursaat referred to as soldiers of the gods.--Pyron Sy 01:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Support
Hiya Ab.er, thanks for taking the time to support me in my recent RFA, I will do my best not to disappoint you :) -- Kakarot  02:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gratz and good luck :p -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 06:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

User Page Help
Hi, I would like to know how you manage to have your userpage all neat with a border and different colours and links and such. Mine is just plain text with a few (disorganized, don't know how to organize them) templates. Please can you help me? Wipe-Out 07:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can start with Help:Editing and Help:Templates. For greater details check out the wiki code help under my "Links" section. Also, if you want some ideas or easier-to-understand templates, take a look at Category:Users providing user page layouts. For your userboxes, you'll need to use some table syntax to align them together. If you need more help, ask me something more specific. It's hard to explain everything in one go without knowing how much you know. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 08:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * i tried to accomplish that task here ^^ - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]] 15:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Impressive! You could consider putting it in as part of the Help namespace. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 15:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * i wanna hog credit :P - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]] 15:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol :D try adding "See also" sections then. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 16:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Landmark navs
So what does mean? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  00:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The text inside the span will be all be kept on one line. Open up one of the bigger navbars and try shrinking your browser window slowly and you'll see that css in action. It's mostly unnecessary in that particular navbar actually... but I just put it there since I'm adding it to all the templates, just for the consistency of it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, ic. Very clever with your CSS skills ;) &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  01:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Election
Just wanted to congratulate you on your new role! Knew you would get it when you decided to run. Enjoy! -- Salome 12:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  16:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * WOOHOO, just saw Xeeron give you the new powers. yay!!! -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 23:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just saw that on the RC as well. Have fun with the new role :) --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  23:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 23 minutes to early!!! ;) poke | talk 23:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick, someone start an ArbComm case against me. I want to be arbitrated by Aberrant! --Dirigible 23:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...*ponders* well according to CoRrRan, you're a bot, lets arbcomm you for that. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 23:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Congrats, now I'll go stir up some trouble so I can get an ArbComm b4 Dirgible lol XD -- Shadowphoenix   23:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish you all the best in your new position Aberrant. --Xeeron 23:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Dir, I don't agree with that!! poke | talk 23:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll do a great job as a bureaucrat. Congrats! Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 00:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the new position Ab.er although it will be a bit weird for a while not having you as a sysop. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey man congrats! --Xasxas256 13:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Aberrant. I guess this means more deletion work for the rest of us :P --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px|Pling! \]] Brains12 \ Talk 15:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Strange, and me and Brains were just on about the latest spree we had together. Congrats once again. --[[Image:User People of Antioch sig.png|Talk]] People of Antioch  19:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks all, I'll be sure to accept if someone officially accuses Dir of being a bot XD I guess instead of deleting stuff, I'll go and gather stuff for deletion instead. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 07:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * One horrifying avenue is content contribs. (I seriously think some admins forget that possibility sometimes.) Backsword 03:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Except contributing to content doesn't require sysop tools to do it -- we all contribute, but it has no relevance to this discussion. The fact that Aberrant can no longer delete stuff (which was something he did regularly) is why I brought deletion up. If contributing to normal content could only be done as a sysop, then I would have commented on that too -- Aberrant is great with that as well. As it stands, that's not the case, so it wasn't brought up; we can contribute no matter which user right we have. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px|Pling! \]] Brains12 \ Talk 12:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. Someone needs to have a stick removed. Backsword 06:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, one thing to take note is that admin stuffs, even something relatively simple like deletion, eats up a portion of a finite amount of time that can be spent on the wiki. I should be updating the locations page as a slightly faster rate now :) (I hope, heheh, it's just different updating or adding now compared to updating or adding while I was playing through the game) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 06:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Gj! I knew you would win :D--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  22:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

VIII
Eight rocked, and is my favorite as well (although it's the second one I played, after 7 - I liked eight more mostly because of Seifer). I picked up 3 for DS too, and wasn't let down; it's way different than the more complex (in battle and in storyline) later games, but it's still a good game. I had to remind myself that the whole "you're the good guys, go kill stuff" style of story was common in games back then, but aside from that, I liked the class-changing system... although they had some pretty bad balance issues. Managed to get two play-throughs of FF3 before getting bored and moving on, that's better than most games I've played recently :p - Auron 11:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this sounds pathetic of me, but I'm still a VII man myself, I know most true FF fans don't agree, but for it's day it was still so groundbreaking and Tifa always appealed to me (also i liked the materia). I never really got into 9, all the charecters disturbed me, princess with a deformed huge head, monkey boy, giant rat etc.... they just weren't the type of charecters i could emote to easily. Also the learning skills from weapons things i found a bit of a drag. I never really understood X, i completed it twice in the hopes of understanding it and still never got my head round what the hell the stroyline was about. X2 was TERRIBLE though! It was like playing with a Barbie in RPG format. As for XII, well its great except I still don't like the new real time fighting engine it introduced. However imho VIII did have the best overall charecters, although Laguna, or whatever her name was, needed to eat a pie or two, that girl was way too skinny. I just didn't like the "Draw" system, I know lots of peeps say it added tactics to what you cast as you didnt have an infinate supply of it, but at the same time I found it annoying; Also not to mention that i accidentally spread the random card play system all over the world as i didn't know if you refused a set number of times they stopped asking you to play with it. Doh! Anyhoo, still mainly a Suikoden, Vandal Hearts and Shining Force fella myself. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 12:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * VI. That is all. LordBiro 13:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, VI was quite something, huge number of characters to choose from, and a couple of them were well fleshed out. Auron, if you liked the class system on FF3, have you tried FF Tactics? I went through it partway in PS and thinking of getting the remake on PSP... only problem is that I don't have a PSP, lol.


 * I'm a completist for FF games so yea, random in FF8 is a pain. I have a standalone triple triad game sitting on my hard drive. Can't remember where I downloaded it from. It's a fan-made program. TetraMaster on FF9 was way more tedious though. I gave up trying to collect every single card, heh, I even made up a chart on what cards I was missing until I got bored of it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never tried VI, I have played tactics and honestly I hated it. I don't like ones where you make your own charecters, as it makes it really hard to emote to them. (it's all about the emoting) It reminds me on that Disgea game which was basically exactly the same as FF tactics just with different charecters, but the same game mechanism. -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 15:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you got it from the qhimm site. I got that one too but have never used it.
 * Yeah, my friend had me play FFT a bit, but I knew if I kept playing I'd get hooked (I got hooked on FFTA, which everyone says is a much worse game). He had me say my birthday was in February so I could 1v1 that strong boss later on, but I never got past the fifth or sixth mission. If I happen across a PSP, I'll probably get the remake, but like you, I don't have one atm :< - Auron 02:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:User ZenRgy Peachfaec.jpg
Weird how it works for you, for me the image doesn't show up at all just a link and when I click that link it gives the following error: The image “ http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/2/27/User_ZenRgy_Peachfaec.jpg "cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. Even weirder is when I put that link in above without the extra : in front of image it gave a link as well? -- Kakarot  02:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on the talk page there. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:Elections/Draft 3
Since it's your proposal (so, presumably, you have the best idea how to implement it), do you want to edit Draft 3 in such a way as to merge stages 2 and 3? *Defiant Elements*  +talk  13:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll give it a go. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

ArbComm
Do you think we should post something on the noticeboard asking sysops to respond...... or is that really needed? -- Shadowphoenix   03:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that is necessary. Sysops will have the arbitration page watched. Throwing it out to the noticeboard is just going to call more attention to the arbitration request. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, ok. That was a bad idea sorry :) -- Shadowphoenix   [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-;]] 03:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Disp
Could you do me a favour and look into the revert situation of Against the Charr. I'd like a second opinion on the validity of reverts before pushing further, to avoid being blinded by lack of perspective. Backsword 05:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, let me do some reading up. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied in Talk:Against the Charr. Let's try to hit a spot in the middle. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 06:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I never got an answer on the principal question. Did you give up on this? Backsword 06:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I already replied back then that I did not find Mohnzh's revert to be in the wrong. Or are you referring to the value that should be placed into the infobox? -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Character Appearance Gallery
Thanks for the feedback on my prototype appearance gallery. I've put a more complete version here: Face Gallery Demo 1. Take a look and let me know what you think. That page has faces grouped by each campaign. There's another link at the end of the article pointing to a sample of the gallery grouped by profession here: Professions Appearance Gallery. Thanks for any suggestions. --Luke1138 22:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually liked your prototype gallery more, primarily because it's much simpler. Including the whole character creation screen makes it impossible for someone to just load up the page and browse at a glance, like an overview. I'd have to click each and every image link to just see the available options, instead of being of able to see all of it without further clicking. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, take a look now. The main navagation page is the same.  But if you go down to Factions Mesmer or Factions Warrior, you can click on the "Female" link and it will show the screen you like.  What do you think about this version? --Luke1138 16:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Arbcomm
Doh, sorry, unsigned your response to the arbcomm before realizing you were online (in case you want to fix it, since it's not a talk page anyways).--Fighterdoken 05:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed your "set something on fire" comment :D -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 05:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Consensus
Hi! Thanks for your participation on the Against the Charr talk page, and congratulations or your election! You made a couple of statements about consensus on the forementioned page that I strongly disagree with (on a factual level, not a personal level). You said that it is not a consensus if there is one disagreeable person. Let me point towards the scientific community as the frequent users of the term consensus. There are numerous climatologists who strongly disagree with the statement that human production of carbon dioxide is a very significant (if not the most significant) contributor to global warming, yet it is still considered scientific consensus. There are numerous biologist, biochemists, and other pertinent scientists who strongly disagree with darwinian evolution, yet it is still considered scientific consensus. The list goes on and on. Consensus by definition is something that is generally agreed upon. That is, it is more significant than majority, but does not require unanimous consent. The second statement you made was that consensus is something that cannot be challenged or overturned. This is, in fact, exactly the opposite of the aims of consensus. A consensus is more than just the for/against ratio. It is also the process of reaching agreement. Consensus is extremely volatile and is intentionally so. It is intended to change as new information comes to light. Again, it was scientific consensus that the earth was the center of the solar system. That consensus was challenged and overturned. There are numerous examples even in the 20th century (such as global cooling) where consensus has been challenged and overturned. The goal of consensus is not to always be right from the outset, but to become right through discussion and consideration. Opposition to consensus should never be discarded and should always be encouraged and considered, but only for the sake of improving consensus. There will be numerous times where opposition to consensus occurs that is fruitless. No action should be taken, but the opposition should be considered and weighed before choosing to take no action. Considering that your statements on consensus do seem to be a common misconception, would it be a wise move to make a policy page that defines consensus in the scopes of this wiki? Mohnzh  say   what?  18:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just as a response. You might have misread my 2nd statement, I said it's "not something that cannot be overturned". Double-negative ftw :) As for my first statement, it's not a misconception, just a different expectation. As you said, consensus is a general agreement. It is a conclusion that all of the participants are able to accept. On that quest page, there is a dissenting view to the majority opinion (note that I said opinion, because neither side has been able to show that the other is entirely false). That dissenting view, to me, is quite valid. I don't like "unanimity - n" and I don't like rough consensus. All participants should be able to accept the conclusion, which is why I requested for a compromise from both sides so as to reach consensus. I understand that weak arguments (in general) should not be the sole blocker of consensus, but I try to lean towards compromise before a complete rejection.


 * Yes, we should have our own definition of consensus, but I usually just point to wikipedia. I've hinted at this some time ago but not many were interested. I tried writing one, but it wasn't much different to the one adopted by wikipedia's community, except maybe being much shorter. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with Mohnzh, and disagree with you. I see consensus as an outcome that pleases the most contributors out of all possible options, but not as an unanimity. Leaving aside the more philosophical side of this discussion, if the wiki relies on consensus, and consensus requires unanimity in order to make a decision, IMO we would never make any decision. This is already a problem as things are, IMO, as seen on some of the latest bureaucrats elections - we often end with long discussions, but no decision comes out of them. By requiring an unanimity, we would only delay more something that is already very slow, and thus be left only with discussions without results. Erasculio 02:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh? I thought me and Mohnzh agreed that consensus is not unanimity. I used "all are able to accept" as the meaning for consensus. It's different from "all are able to agree". -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I misread your second sentence. To be honest, I actually read it three or four times trying to count the negatives to see if I was reading it correctly before I posted here. I guess I was wrong =P. Which is fine, I'm glad you see it that way as well. I was actually more concerned with that than the other point. As per the first point, many see the dissenting views in science as quite valid, yet they are still discounted in consensus and are untaught in schools, etc. Once an unspecified amount of time has passed, and there has been no movement towards a solution, the consensus is declared and accepted, even with strong opponents. Believe me, it is something that I find highly unscientific and even destructive towards the goal of science (declaring something true when it has not been sufficiently proven to the point that none can offer any counter-argument should be considered heretical). However, that is what consensus is.
 * I did not mean to make this discussion about what was going on over at the other page. I have been trying to engage Backsword for quite a while and am glad he is finally taking part again. I have been trying to make progress on that article but have felt obligated to leave it alone because he threw up a tag and would not respond to any of my suggestions. After several others had discussed it and quite a fair amount of time had passed, all views being expressed favored what was currently there along with other changes I had not made yet (such as the Scrying Pool info). The article should be as informative as possible, which is why I made the changes initially. I am all for reaching a compromise, as long as it is one which improves the article. Consensus, by definition, seeks to be improved - exactly my goals. So I very much appreciate your input.
 * Does your final statement above then suggest that we should attempt to create a Consensus Policy or no? Mohnzh   say   what?  14:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm neutral in that regards. We don't have a particularly strong need of it because most of the ideas about consensus doesn't deviate too much from each other or from Wikipedia's definition, so I'm content as it is. Nevertheless, if something like that is proposed, I'd discuss it and give it my support. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 17:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

need your help
hey hey mate, could you settle an argument for me as i don't want to break the 1 revert rule even though I know i'm right on this one. On the Zaishen_rank page, I've changed the rank 7 video to be titled rank 12 as that's what it is (note the golden sword in the emote). However it's been reverted back to rank 7. Could you give the video a once over and tell me which rank you think the video represents as i'm sure it's 12. It can't possible be rank 7 anyway as you don't get a sword in your emote til rank 10. -- Salome 09:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops.. I already reverted, forgot to check history. Only saw the latest revert by Zero rogue, so I checked the video and reverted back. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 09:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Anja, knew i was right. *looks smug* -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 09:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Vael grabs your head.
I like you. Vael Victus  22:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like you too :) I think... :p -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Lesser interest in playing GW?
Too bad..but true for many others too. Guilds being sold and many friends staying offline for longer periods of time and getting interested in other games. Any idea's on whats needed to get players back to GW? --  Silverleaf   22:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's possible since they announced they're working on GW2. It's hard to get people interested in a game that you're not really adding much content to and where you're working on a sequel. The best they can do is to work on GW2. There's been no news of it for so many months now. I think they expected this already, since declining interest is unavoidable when you're not adding new stuff. Hope they get out GW2 (or least more hype on it) soon. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 08:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been three years on a game that was basically designed to be static (yes, there could be and were new chapters, but that only extends, not changes the structure) and that's alot. As long as ANet follows the format they have of only charging a minimal amount for the game and not charging for playing it, it's absolutely amazing that they're essentially getting a year per campaign/expansion. Which is what $30-50 per player per year. Extremely cheap for the players; and if ANet is successful by their measure on that, great. How can anything else be expected? -- Inspired to ____ 03:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True. There's not much they can do to top what they used to have. It's past it's prime. I'm just thinking they should really start building up the hype for GW2. Start giving reasons for the veteran players to keep at GW1 to reap good rewards in GW2. The more players that move away and invest their time and effort in other games, the less likely they'll come back to GW2. Most of my old ex-guild and guild mates are still looking for the next game that will bring us all back together. Right now, we're scattered all over the place, WoW, LOTRO, L2, AoC. Warhammer's our next hopeful. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Page
Can i borrow some things from your page? like the side bar with time, date, and userboxes? Seru 22:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, go ahead :) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 06:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

can i just be dead serious for a moment and say...
wtf? (no not at you, just keep reading) Wiki drama is way back up, mainly due to racism, trolling and NPA, etc. Do you have any idea what is going on? And/or if an Arbcomm is going to be called anytime soon. I feel like this is the only way to solve all these problems--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  14:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Things like that crop up every once in a while, it's like taxes, it always comes around :) It can't really be prevented since we can't control the actions of other users. The wiki community works on the basis that well-meaning users always outnumber and outlast those that choose to disrupt. Wait a while and it'll be over soon enough. Trust the sysops to handle it. Try not to let the negativity get to you personally though, it's always not worth it. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 16:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should pull a PvX with trolls, no joke. -- Shadowphoenix   [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-;]] 16:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

i agree with Ab.er.rant, but, if you paid any mind to my talk page, i quit th wiki for about a week due to drama, that may happen again, possibly permanently. Though i have faith in the sysops, really, i do. But, we are basicaly getting beaten bad by trolls, disruptors, the Lich, and Shiro Tagachi (click the links, watch what happens), and raptors-esque vandals. I think it needs to stop. Rather, i hope it stops, soon--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  02:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

i rarely go to pvx so, shadowphoenix, what did pvx do?--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  03:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell, PvX introduced a "one strike you're out" system for sockpuppets and vandals. the entire announcement is here. its under re. trolls. ~[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  03:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

just read it....harsh......but it would be effective.....huh.....what about proxy's tho?--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  03:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not the page to get it accepted...but ya i think that would be a great idea...as they don't contribute to this wiki (or any other) at all. I think we have put up with it for to long. Its like a trolling circle...you got to break it somehow...or it will always come back. <font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  03:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It would probably be best to just revert anything proxies do until they get bored...I'm not sure. but it would get things straightened up around here, I'll admit. ~[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Oie User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png]]  Wandering Traveler  03:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Block them all let God sort them out =P -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 03:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

or blocked everyone except Izzy, I have a pretty good feeling he knows the trolls well.....since they like to hang around Anet employees--<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  18:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * don't block me *puts hands up*--Sum Mesmer Guy[[Image:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎|19px|Talk to me NOW!! DO IT!]] contribs 18:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * *becomes a sysop :O* *uses Club of a Thousand Bans on all the vandals and trolls* (they are monsters, you know it, I know it, Regina and Izzy know it, and runescape knows it)--[[Image:User_Raph_Sig.png|19px]]<font color="Blue">Ra <font color="Orange">ph  <font color="Blue">Tal <font color="Orange">ky  12:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, let the sysops whack'em with the ban club as often as they pop up, and a couple of extra times for good measure :) I think "for F's sake, stop reading trolling text!" is more effective than "Don't feed the trolls" :) might be much easier to just ignore both the trolls and those that get trolled... :D anyway, as for what PvXwiki did, we're not really at that stage yet. Hopefully the updated admin policy brings about a positive change. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Guild_Wars_Wiki:Helpers
We decided that people could put themselves in more than 1 area now, so you don't have to chose =p <B><font color="#4F94CD">~PheNaxKian  <font color="#9400D3">Talk </B> 16:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! :) thanks. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Template Help
Hey, I stumbled upon your really cool character boxes on GuildWiki and I was wondering if you would be willing to help me modify the templates for the Navigation Frames. Kinda a noob at wiki-code, I've just been deciphering it as I go, but I can't seem to make sense of them. 71.179.241.176 09:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So do you need help on this wiki or over at GuildWiki? Point me to your user page and let me know what part you need help with. The show/hide thingy (if that's what you're after) works differently on this wiki. For starters you can check out some of the help links I have on my page and over at GuildWiki. Also, for this wiki, you can check out Category:Users providing user page layouts for more ideas. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I need help with it on GuildWiki. After toying with it a bit, I kinda have it working, but not quite... Would help if I took the time to learn wiki-coding as a whole. Page link: here 71.179.241.176 06:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll log in to GuildWiki and take a look. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 14:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Woo, got it working the way I wanted! Thanks for the helm Aberrant! 71.179.241.176 02:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't give you any helm... :P heh, no worries. Have fun with templates. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 02:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Userpage
Hey Ab.er just thought I'd let you know but there seems to be something up with your userpage. I will have a look at the coding and see if i can figure out what's wrong. -- Kakarot  01:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem seems to be something to do with the userboxes, it's causing the and tags to show up as if they had  tags around them. However on the actual userboxes subpage they are working just fine. -- Kakarot  [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 01:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Try replacing with --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I seem to have found a way to fix it by removing the tag just after the and the tag just after the  While it didn't appear to change the look of the actual userpage I'd rather not change it. -- Kakarot  [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 01:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up guys. I'll take a look. *mutters about the danged upgrade ruining my user page ;) * -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Serves you right for using deprecated code! --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * But.. but... it's so much easier to type! *mutters about danged CSS ruining HTML purity* hehe -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's all Greek to me. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|]] Brains12 \ talk 01:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Ab.er CSS never did anything to HTML purity, HTML 3.2 was the thing that screwed up HTML. Originally HTML was intended to define the content although I'm not quite sure how HTML before 3.2 formatted the content. When HTML 3.2 came around it completely changed all that and included various formatting tags such as, , and as well as things like the color attribute that the font tab uses and it was this chang that made a mess of pure HTML. HTML 4.0 has since made some improvements to the HTML with the addition of CSS and version 4.01 might of even fixed it completely. The next version of HTML is XHTML and this has continued the trend even changing all tags/attributes to lowercase. -- Kakarot  [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 01:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If CERN had only stuck to particle physics we'd never be in this mess. Backsword 01:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And you had to go ahead educate the masses that might think I'm right... :P (I didn't know that, lol) -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 01:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "The next version of HTML is XHTML and this has continued the trend even changing all tags/attributes to lowercase." I would agree on that; XHTML is a very good improvement to HTML 4, but the browser support for 1.0 has failed and for 1.1 it is even worse. We/I can only hope that they will teach the browsers how to use application/xhtml+xml files (especially Microsoft..), otherwise HTML 5 might be a valid alternative. poke | talk 06:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ironically, this same issue seems to be messing up this bug page. Someone less lazy can fix it. Backsword 06:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There seems to be an issue with the center tag :P poke | talk 06:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:User_Raz2.JPG
Hey I just wonder why you removed that Delete Tag? Policy says User Images should be named. That Image aswell as similar Images does not include a valid Username (There is no User Raz2 or Raz3) and are Missing the Image Description. Comments? -- Silent Storm   17:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Policy doesn't exactly say that. I don't read that part so strictly. The idea behind the naming convention is to ensure that users prefix their images with a "User" and their username. It didn't really matter what users put after their username. Also, the spaces between the words is primarily for readability purposes only, so I wouldn't consider a "UserRaz.jpg" or a "User raz.jpg" a violation either. I do help users to just reupload incorrectly named images, but not always. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 18:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I reupload some under their right name too every now and then if I have the time to ;) Anyways If you think its ok then good... Might remember to not tag those images in the Future ;) -- Silent Storm  [[Image: User SilentStorm MySig.png|19px]] 18:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * abby forgot to mention that the naming is needed for the "user's images" link at the bottom of the left nav. :P - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.jpg|18px]] 12:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually.... I didn't even notice that link until you mentioned it :o -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 13:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Dialogue formatting
Hello there. I have a few questions about the correct formatting of dialogue and I hope this is a correct place to ask them. Numbers refer to examples (example 1, example 2), which hopefully make the questions more understandable than my English.

1) Would I be correct in saying that all dialogue requires quotation marks? If yes, then

2) does one need to add quotation marks before and after each paragraph (1) or only at the beginning and end of a block of text (2)?

3) Which is the correct way of separating paragraphs, with (1) or without (2) an empty line between them?

Thank you kindly. --Rion 09:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To 1: Yes. All coherent dialogue texts require quotation marks. And there the reason is for #2 and #3: In the first example there are two quotes listed which are randomly displayed when you talk to the NPC. In the second example there is a coherent text which is displayed when talking to that NPC. poke | talk 17:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * For 2 and 3, we don't have it established. But personally, I wrap all text that appear in one in-game dialogue box within a single pair of quotes. It's best to use empty lines to denote a paragraph, although it's also fine to use the  tag. -- ab.er. rant  [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 07:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Purge!
Purge, my friend! Free the wiki of its filth! :D Kokuou 06:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not filth, just clutter.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 06:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, okay. But filth sounds so much more dramatic... Kokuou 06:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

need your help
errr... unsure if you can actually help with this. But their is a user called user:Araliuns Sun, who is pretending to be user:Araliuns sun. The latter is Mark, the leader of LaZy, the former is just some troll who's took the name to vandalize and get away with it. Is their anything which can be done about reclaiming the name. As the only difference is the capitalization of the S. It's not really a major issue as the vandal has only done it twice, but its just in case in the future he gets more aggressive. -- Salome 21:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Brains permabanned him earlier, and all his edits are undone at this point. - Tanetris 21:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks! :) -- Salome [[Image:User_salome_sig.png|19px]] 22:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)