Feedback talk:Game updates/20100118

Pet console
When i try to open the pet control-console the program crashes. My profession is Monk, no second profession. I'm in Pre-Searing with temporary hunter skills; could be a reason, but i don't know. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.23.135 (talk).
 * please Lock thread, i've taken about 3 screenies of different comments, some offensive. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.155.116.77 (talk).

Yes it does need locked, I've seen dozens of different stuff being put up --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.22.8.82 (talk).
 * You mean using SF DOESN'T turn us into a homosexual after all!? Previously Unsigned 01:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed opening the pet control console does cause you to crash 24.34.231.13 01:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just tested it; yes, it does. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 01:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Ness Hrin 01:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, ya broke it. 000.00.00.00  01:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeedee.--67.224.171.92 02:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yet another high quality update. --Frosty  01:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I heard there was a glitch with Zaishen Elite but the person only wants to show and not tell. Anybody find anything there? I don't have ZE unlocked anyways. Previously Unsigned 01:48, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, they onnly want to show not tell >.> – User Balistic Pve B d-dark.jpgalistic 01:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Who was it? I'd be happy to view the glitch. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 01:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * name was Ele Trapper Num I. Previously Unsigned 02:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * lol ur in the [HEAT] alliance? – User Balistic Pve B d-dark.jpgalistic 02:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I just checked with him/her, and it's an armor glitch. It appears the leggings of Elementalist_Stormforged_armor disappear completely underwater on the female. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 02:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, checked, the leggings disappear after going underwater. – User Balistic Pve B d-dark.jpgalistic 02:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The disappearing armor happens with various armors and has been there forever, like the cape glitch when male rangers /sit. -- [[Image:User_Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 16:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Update 2
Okay, so what was the second update? – alistic 02:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Pet Panel no longer crashes the game. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 02:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ahh – User Balistic Pve B d-dark.jpgalistic 02:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * got the same seems to work now --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.23.135 (talk).

I can't load the game after this update... Client crashes on startup. calor  (talk)  02:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm all fine here. – User Balistic Pve B d-dark.jpgalistic 02:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine here too.64.222.106.112 02:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All the lights are green here, as well. Thrain[[File:User_Thrain_Sig.png]] contribs 02:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just got it to work after reinstalling. Odd. calor   (talk)  03:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Its a good start but not adequate...
* Fixed a bug that caused Battle Priest Calibos in Zos Shivros Channel to path incorrectly. Finally! * Fixed a bug that prevented heroes from receiving experience from Zaishen Challenge Quests. FINALLY! * Fixed a bug that caused the Doppelganger to use Vampirism. What about Winds?

I think they're hoping that we've forgotten about this first one, but here are some other issues that need to be addressed:
 * 1) Xunlai Tournament House (they could have at LEAST reverted it to the working version until they got the new one working rather than remove it for countless months)
 * 2) Codex Arena is already dying, partially due to the lack of proper skill weighting
 * 3) Pogahn Passage is still left out of the Zaishen Mission rotation (not to mention Mallyx, and Freezie)
 * 4) Focus of Hanaku is not a boss
 * 5) Chests occasionally ruin missions, quests, or vanquishes by blocking NPC movement. This could easily be fixed by removing chest collisions or modifying AI to go around them
 * 6) The September 1, 2009 update to make syncing significantly harder did next to nothing, so syncing still needs to be fixed
 * 7) The skills that no one ever uses because they're so horrible need to be buffed or reworked
 * 8) "Invincible" farming builds have yet to be nerfed, although supposedly, they're already working on that
 * 9) Quests that reward Lightbringer points don't reward nearly enough to be worthwhile

Maybe one day they'll realize that if they BUFF THE REWARDS OF NON-REPEATABLE PVE CONTENT RATHER THAN REPEATABLE CONTENT AND RANDOM DROPS that people will be less likely to farm and more likely to actually play the game. This would lead to less misery (because honestly, that's all farming really is), more enjoyment, and less situations where they have to decide how to nerf certain skills just to keep the economy from collapsing (anyone remember March 2006? If you don't lets just say the economy got reset a few times and the entire game had to be rolled back on the 14th before they got things right, all stemming from 55 Monks overfarming The Underworld).

-- Kirbman 08:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have the quest for Mallyx. --[[Image:User Large sig.png|talk]] Large 09:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Who ever said the Focus of Hanuku was supposed to be a boss? &mdash;  Mini Me 09:23, 19 January 2010
 * they've also said they can't roll back to the earlier version of the XTH because there was a flaw in the system or some such thing.  ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 12:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Anet has nerfed XTH, and are not bringing it back. Batchie 13:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have suggestions for changes you would like to see, please submit them properly by going to Feedback:Getting started, read the rules and instructions and go from there. Thanks! -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Nerfed Luxon AFK?
"Fixed a bug that caused Battle Priest Calibos in Zos Shivros Channel to path incorrectly."

I am guessing that this is the case? - SabreWolf 08:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. &mdash;  Mini Me 09:21, 19 January 2010

HOW ABOUT FIXING THE STICKING TURTLE PROBLEM!!
How about ANet fix the problem with turtles sticking in JQ before worrying about things like AFK FF!! AFK doesnt affect the outcome of a major part of GW like continually having your turtles getting stuck and loosing a JQ match!! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.197.57.14 (talk).
 * Gz Anet on nerfing a barely harmful build (50 faction per minute boohoo) AND LEAVING OTHER STRONG FARM BUILDS UNHARMED! Tyraelxy 12:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * the point was the AFK buld you could AFK...you could get points for nothing, while you're sleeping or whatever. The turtle glitch requires you to actually put at least some effort in...  ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 12:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Anet has a long history of not taking care of what needs to be taken care of. You should see this game they have, it's called Guild Wars. Pretty much everything is screwed up in it. -- Tha Reckoning [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg|19x19px]] 12:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The AFK fix was probably a simple one which could be fixed in a matter of minutes. The turtle stall bug is probably much more complicated. If you want it fixed, submit detailed bug feedback to support to make fixing it much easier. 58.111.65.95 14:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not only the turtles, it's the juggernauts as well. Alas, there's a simple trick to prevent them from getting stuck: Don't give them a speed buff when they have entered the base. It's okay to buff them when they're on their way out, but don't buff them when they're going in. Sheesh. --91.53.207.43 19:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Anet's practically begging us to bot JQ or FA now that they nerfed afk farming. Once the perma nerf hits and ruins FFSC's, expect to see way more bots. 75.61.32.166
 * It doesnt bother me if I see half-competent bots playing with me and supporting me. Although I'm afraid this only means nukebots/leechbots. --Boro [[image:User_Borotvaltgandalf_Sig.jpg|10px‎]] 20:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ mostly nukebots, because they're stupidly easy to set up in GW. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  20:29, 19 January 2010  (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with this update. If you have suggestions, or wish to comment on game bugs, please go to the appropriate page in the Feedback portal. Thanks. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, considering that afk farming is directly linked to botting, it does have something to do with it :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:59, 19 January 2010  (UTC)
 * how is AFK farm related to botting? >.> <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian [[Image:User_PheNaxKian_sig.jpg]] 22:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It was the result of botting (originally people botted Zos Shivros before making the afk farm). <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:02, 19 January 2010  (UTC)
 * And how does AFK Farming relate to sticking turtles, which is actually the topic of this section, and what I was initially commenting on. Take it to a suggestion/bug report page. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  22:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously it doesn't. I was just too lazy to start a new section. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:25, 19 January 2010  (UTC)

How about fixing the sticking dagger ranger meta problem? Seriously, though, bug fixes > nothing. :-) 188.74.101.228 00:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Anet's practically begging us to bot JQ or FA now that they nerfed afk farming. Once the perma nerf hits and ruins FFSC's, expect to see way more bots. 75.61.32.166"
 * What's wrong with you? you can't cheat one way so you act like you're being forced to cheat another way? How about you try actually playing instead of cheating, otherwise you're just begging to have your account banned. -- [[Image:User_Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 20:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally agree... I cannot understand how ppl expect to be accepted for cheating, and think that the game forces them to cheat. I cannot imagine them in real life too (at work for example) --  Pixy | Talk User_pixy_hand.png 10:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Laugh for awhile. Couldnt find a clip when Cartman talks about it. If anyone finds a clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7cop4shRXY --65.23.198.144 12:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While i admit that botting and AFKing are both stupid, This wasn't about whether or not its okay to do those things. This was about whether or not it will cause an influx of bots in JQ/FA. And it will. because cheaters cheat. And they will continue to cheat. Theres no way to stop them doing it. But its totally not cool to punish actuall players by making them deal with bots. Even though it would hopefully drastically increase the ammount of luxon participants in JQ so it would probably be good for me (a kurzick) 71.193.48.146 18:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)