User talk:Kaisha/Archive/March2010

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Welcome Back
Howdy.....Welcome Back Drogo Boffin 01:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 01:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats, you just made a (+666) post. What do you have to say for yourself? →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 00:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * O, where? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 00:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find it. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 00:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

User Merge
Ariyen contributes have been merged over to Kaisha. Also, I'll point out, "It is recommended that old userpages and talk pages be redirected to their new counterparts, to ease navigation to users via old links (e.g. in signatures). Userpages can be collectively moved using the "move subpages" option in the move tab." If you have any questions, contact me. &mdash; Gares 12:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I received your email. Retain User:Ariyen/Archive_Index in an obvious place, such as your Kaisha archives. &mdash; Gares 15:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done and thank you. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"missed a code"
Those are actually called tags. Also, I'm OCD. -- Armond Warblade 05:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yea. Well, similaritizes. Tags are codes of their own rights. Sorry, you're OCD. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 06:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Wait...you asked for the skill descriptions, changes, and values from the last 5 years?
That seems like a bit much.... Karate  Jesus  18:26, 3 March 2010  (UTC)


 * Nope. Asked for a few different things not on here though. So, gotta work with what I have. I'm thinking on just getting stickers and scanning the other older ones into scanner to print on these stickers - If I don't ruin them for my car. Surprising at what is hard to find. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait....your making GW stickers for your car? Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  18:31, 3 March 2010  (UTC)
 * I am confused. [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 18:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL. No silly! I'm planning to make Ford Mustang Stickers for the Mustang. Got a new hood to replace the other from the wreck that happened on my birthday night. So working to get the stickers for the car. Wish days would warm. I want to get outside. Oh, ty for the edit drogo, you posted as I tried to post. :-) heh Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I'm more confused. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  18:43, 3 March 2010  (UTC)
 * YW [[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png]] Drogo Boffin 18:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yea happens. What you don't know is better than what you do. Curiousity kills the kitten right? *meows* . What I do is my business, no matter what one thinks. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 19:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's your business, then why is it being flaunted? Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  19:07, 3 March 2010  (UTC)
 * It's not. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 19:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

GWW:1RV
Editing another section of the article in between does not allow you to magically violate this policy. Please try to reach consensus through discussion in future rather than violating policy. If you are confused as to how you violated policy, allow me to explain. User:Oldmonk changed part of the article, you reverted him using your first and only revert. He then reverted you, using his first and only revert. You then edited a couple of other parts of the article, then reverted him again manually (clicking undo is not the only way to revert), then reworded it once again. I have used my one and only revert to revert things back to Oldmonk's version, with a full explanation on the talk page. Misery  14:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You assumed wrongly and need to look at 1rr before accusing. See I changed the first word Tyria to Tyria - that's not reverting him. Then changed that word, because I still felt and was still reading the sentence wrongly. Hence, I changed it again to remove all speculation. I liked the way Koing said it though. So, there's no 1rr unless you do the "undo" or change it as to exactly as it was before. I'm sorry to say that you're wrong in this matter. Thank you. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You directly changed number to amount twice. Two reversions. I already stated your intermediate edit has no bearing. Misery  17:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, but the 1rr is on the page, not word as you're using it for. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You clearly don't understand the policy, but I assure you, it will be enforced. Misery  18:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And in all honesty with 1rr having to be on the page - I don't see one with the changes that were made. I understand policy, but you're nitpicking and I can name others this isn't done to. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 19:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Lots of people get away with murder. Does that mean the ones who are caught shouldn't be prosecuted? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 20:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol. They don't, usually the judge gives them insanity plea. But should we let those we know do it or have done it - get away scout-free while we fuss on others who we feel should know better? when everyone who does it should receive punishment?  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 20:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The insanity isn't as affective as the media may make it appear. It gathers lots of attention when it works, however, most of the time it gets rejected. -- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 21:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's true, insanity defense rarely works, if ever, and almost never an acquittal. The only thing diminished capacity defense with genuine mental disorders does is reduced jail time and life time confinement in a mental institute. -- Lania Elderfire 21:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * My point is that no one cares that "other people are doing it." [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's about as bad as saying "why should anyone care"? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 05:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Before misery's meaning is lost in endless wikilawyering and offtopic nonsense, be aware of 1RR. Ignorance is not a defense. You will be blocked for violating policy in the future, even if you haven't read the policy and thus can't understand what it's about. - Auron 05:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted the wiki power abuse threat. Also noted that people seem to forget of mishaps, misunderstandings, etc., and wants to find fault in things. Noted this too -> the history:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Tyria_(world)&diff=1938468&oldid=1937759 that is different from http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Tyria_(world)&diff=1936519&oldid=1936503 that. So, yes I don't see a 1rr with that person and indirect would be hard as the same paragraph was changed (fits the "in part" bit of the policy). I didn't do anything deliberate, more so of how I was seeing it, how I felt it should "appear" not grammar. Then when applying grammar, realized I was wrong and changed it. A chance others don't give because they choose to change it out from underneath one as one may continue to study/ponder, etc. Yea, I only see those that prefer to judge on what they want to see, not the full history. Hence, I often say to view the full history even of the contributor to better understand. I don't see why this discussion is continued or even begun. It's fixed. If I honestly did do the 1rr indirectly. It was not deliberate in all honesty and I should have used preview more, but things happen. I have hit saved on things a few times, when previewing to keep from loosing anything, but have changed it a few times - there were other pages this happened at where there was 1rr, but not on purpose. People make mistakes. It's sad we prefer to not note that tidbit and think a lot or a good bit is deliberate. If life was so perfect, we wouldn't even need a wiki to edit, it'd been done and perfect. Jumping in on a settled case is not brilliant either, just shows boredom. I'm going to be doing more skill history offline to load in a bit and I expect to archive this by tomorrow night - if no more needed response to this as I don't expect any. I hope it's all clear now. Have fun. Kaisha  06:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, your second revert actually happened here. . -- Lania Elderfire 06:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, Yea I was working on the page. I sometimes use save instead of preview. There are other cases where that has happened. Not easy to remember that show preview is like draft and save is not. I'm use to the way some like this work and multitasking as I was doing both. Most likely happened. That was not deliberate and an accident. Threatening to ban me on such is sad. I do appologize for such mishap and to clarify. you can see I did what was going through my head, the changes between the "amount" and the new way a bit of the sentence. doing both on two pages, asking myself why i went for that and not the whole other sentence. I was doing grammar in my head. Much like I do math on my hands. Obviously we scold people for working on something. Am sorry that happened. Now I see where the 1rr scolding came from.  So much for my luck and for people not really looking at the history or asking why (which would be nice in a way) the change again. knowing it wasn't liked. Then judge if it was a delibrate 1rr or not or a better way - seeing that there was an issue. It'd been 'nice' to have been handled better that way. I didn't like the words "number" "amount" and "many" used in poor way and I am thankful Koing worded it better as I had left as a note - it was still bugging me. I stick to something to straighten out - when it bugs me. It's my nature to "help" try to get something to look better. Now, I'm going back to the skill history, which is interesting and I thank the help for showing me the right way. Including that the "actual" notes was on the site, before they themselves began loading them on here as well.  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not a threat as much as it is a solemn affirmation - if you break policy, you will be banned. Thanks. I believe 2 sysops have informed you about it, so please try not to let me get my evil satisfaction seeing you get banned even though I have absolutely no hand in it. Pika Fan 07:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You said you wasn't going to bother me. Can't contain yourself? And it is (threatening) the way Auron wrote it (thanks for trying to defend him, but it's my opinion). Rather late to state a repeat anyway as Misery already informed and not easy to "miss" or "forget". No need for a second sysop to repeat what one said. That's redundant and shows boredom. Oh, LoL still fun? It seems like it'd be more entertaining than you being bored enough to bother me with redundancy that's not needed and already obvious. 72.148.31.114 07:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed my mind. Only naive people assume that words said over the internet can be trusted. <3 Pst - You are honestly not afraid of ban threats, please don't act like you are(your acting sucks), you can just sock another "Kaisha" if you get banned. Pika Fan 07:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol. You're fun. Naive is better than being ignorant and redundant. Repeats get old, don't they? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not when I achieve results every time - just take a look at how many times you have been banned. <3 Pika Fan 07:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. It had achieved my results too. Win - Win. Also, was able to get things that was needed - done. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Look can we just calm down and stop baiting each other? These warnings aren't personal. I was warned by misery for violating 1RR for reverting an really bad note twice not too long ago.  I didn't take it personally and I'm sure misery didn't expect me to, as it was a simple warning.  Also it's not a personal attack when someone edits something you disagree with, you just take to to the talk page and discuss it there so you don't violate 1RR.-- Lania Elderfire 07:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, not personal by misery, but annoying when another has to "step in" with no real "reason", except boredom. Seriously, not like they "trust" that one admin to manage things, which seemed like Auron didn't trust Misery with this and had to "step in". I don't see the need for posts even like his that's not necessary or useful, instead was more redundant and annoying - like a broken record. This was a discussion on the 1rr alone. Archiving this tomorrow night anyway. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Misery is a bureaucrat. He does not give sysop warnings. My post had nothing to do with trusting Misery in this situation, it had to do with me understanding our roles. I would have felt no need to post if you had simply said "my bad, I'll try not to violate policy next time," but you had started writing paragraphs in an attempt to justify your policy violation, so I felt you missed the point of Misery's warning in the first place. - Auron 08:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Guys, just drop it. You're turning a non-issue into an issue. Someone broke policy that someone got punished. End of story. - Reanimated X 08:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, to not be misinformed - I didn't miss the point. So I can still point out my thoughts. Nothing says I can't. At the time, until Lania showed me. I didn't think I did. All mizzles had to do was point to it. Wyn did, helped me there realize my faults at one time about a few months back, when I had done a 1rr. I miss her being a sysop, she was the most helpful one here and still is as a user. Now, no matter how long this gets or continues. It will be archived by tomorrow night. I prefer this to end, not people who have problems, make it a bigger issue. I got warned. Is it not enough to leave it at that? Apparently not with more who decided to troll - warn, etc. Misery stepped in as a sysop at the time that apparently none seemed on. Bcrats can do that, Auron. Sysops aren't special to that alone. It states in the bcrat area - that it could be done and was. You're just over a day late. Sorry, but true. It's handled and as Ranimated said. This needs to be dropped, that's what I've stated. but more had to respond so *shrugs* here we are. Now, let's let this be the end. Responses are not needed really. Nothing after the six comments were needed, tbh, but they're there. Let's 'try' not add more. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Old Account Redirects
Hi! Your old account has some Talk page redirects. Do you still need them or I can tag them all for deletion.
 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&namespace=3&prefix=Ariyen

with the exception of talkpage archive, all others are just redirects to your old main talkpage and nothing links to those pages.

Is not that those pages are taking too much space, but they appear on Special:DoubleRedirects and I would like to keep that list as "clean" as possible.--Sharkinu 15:14, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You can redirect pages from those pages to the current and then if still can - delete. I don't have a problem with that. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking care of the redirects. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

English
I know you mean well, and your desire to help is genuine, but it doesn't seem like you have a really strong grasp of English grammar and language. Your recent edits to remove some of the run-on sentences on the Tyria article has transformed many of the sentences into simple short stubby sentences that is now awkward to read. I don't think you should be fixing other people's sentences and grammar, because right now it's causing more problems than solving them. -- Lania Elderfire 20:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Short and stubby is better than run-ons apparently. Not completely done at all. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 20:55, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. - Mini Me   talk  20:57, 7 March 2010
 * Fixed that too. Better? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 21:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Nicholas the Traveler
He changes his location at 15:00 UTC. You edited his page at about 8 AM UTC, thus the information on his page was incorrect. The wiki needs to reflect the current state of the game, Kaisha. - Reanimated X 19:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's fixed and I knew it wouldn't be long so why the wait? It's all going to change anyway. Just settle down. :-) Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 19:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 15:00 UTC, Kaisha. - Reanimated X 19:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, He's been moved in the past earlier than that actually. So we all know it's a monday. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 19:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Your grammar is, quite frankly, terrible. Please improve your own grammar before you try to improve it on wiki pages. - Mini Me   talk  19:52, 8 March 2010
 * Lol, So is your's. :-) You forgot a comma in your second sentence, etc. So, yea. Btw, It's suggestions, see the talk page, before you go dissing someone on their style of writing, when your own isn't quite so good either. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 20:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Armor articles
Ummm.... I don't see any discussion about the changes you are making to all of the armor pages. It should go here. Why do you keep doing things like this without getting any input from the rest of the community? I personally really dislike the changes you are making to all the tables. Please stop until you have consensus after discussion. -- Wyn  talk  08:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You have forgotten. there were discussions. Just the old got deleted. Talk to Rose - no one objected and they were okay for it. I'm following what's in the discussion. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They're located here - the discussions. I can show the pages with the edits that were done on sandbox for all to view and linked. it was liked. The only pages i can show are the original warrior. Sorry you dislike, but that's the truth. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the ones that were changed from the sandbox (that got deleted, and the only section of Ariyen (sandbox section)- I wish was stored so I could move it all and continue on that.) - were the warrior (had stopped in the midst of the elite). Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, I missed it... how I'm not sure, since it's a wot, but meh... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's okay. I've missed things too. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that I missed that discussion doesn't make my request for you to stop go away. I really dislike having the location and armorer names centered. It looks awkward. Please stop until it can be discussed. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, that's been like that. aka Monk_Elite_Saintly_armor and User:Kaisha/Sandbox/Monk Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet, I look at your changes and I see the center alignment being added? -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh.. nvm.. stop adding the center align. It isn't necessary with the ! at the beginning of the line and is just messing up the code.. I knew something wasn't right.......... -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Compare the two. you'd see no changes to that of which you complain about. It's always been like that. Just redoing the coding to fit to the way it was discussed. Balistic said the same, but it is as it'd be left aligned if different. You can help with my sandbox if you want. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I don't want to help with your sandbox, I just don't like the way it's being coded. It's messy. The ! should make that cell bolded and centered, so whatever you are doing that is changing that is what is making you have to add the center alignment manually. It's just icky. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * like this 1 -> User:Kaisha/Sandbox/Monk Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 07:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's because you are putting in the align="right" for the row. That's what's making this a mess. Remove the ! and add the bolding manually to the location and armorer if you are going to do that. it's really ugly code the way it is and is just confusing. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  07:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It works though, why ugly and confusing? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at this one . Even with the old way, it's always been centered. However adding that right, makes it all go right instead of staying center. So I keep it as much like original as possible putting it to center. I can add in the ''' marks and redo from ! to |, if that would help.  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 08:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes.. the way you are doing it confuses the coding. The row command overrides the ! and is just messy. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  09:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, I'm confused. I didn't see any problems, but no problem in fixing the ones that's been done and still fix that up for "maybe" or perhaps future changes. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 10:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Razah
If you still need him I'd be happy to help though I find that all you really need is gaze of fury. Tidas 08:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it hard killing off all those creatures and often end up mobbed by the end, even if I finish off one or two. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 16:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If wanted I can give a hand too, have still a character who need him/it =) -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 16:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeh agro can get pretty nasty in the nightfallen lands it has to be said. Tidas 16:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a time and place? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's on a weekend I can help <.<-- / u / nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 17:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can do it now, but I can almost always in the evening.. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 17:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeh Im on most of the time, except wednesdays - fridays. Tidas 17:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent Activities
Mini Me, I know you'll be reading this too, so there is no need for me to make another post. Both of you have broken the GWW:1RV policy in the Demonic Relic article. Kaisha, you have recently been warned to not do this and have a past of doing this, as seen in your archives. As this is an on-going and present situation and there are no other sysops active, a short block will be placed on you, Kaisha, and a warning will be given to Mini Me. Please read GWW:1RV during this period. Thank you.

Also, Kaisha, do not archive present topics when you think they are over. Read GWW:USER as well. &mdash; Gares 20:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * On a separate note, you are doing a great job helping out with the majority of your recent contributions. Only main concern right now is you just need to listen more to others as you do get overzealous and stubborn with certain topics. &mdash; Gares 20:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * My eyesight has gotten worse it seems. One more revert, Kaisha, and you would have been in violation. Your block has been lifted. &mdash; Gares 20:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I didn't think I had, hence I sent you the email with the links. I do admit that it looks better now with Mini's help. May I archive this section? 72.148.31.114 20:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get my emails till I get home, so I will disregard it. I don't mind if you archive this, but you do know what I mean by archiving sections so quickly though, even with warnings, such as User_talk:Kaisha/Archive/March2010. &mdash; Gares 20:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Archived the other one due to trolls. Sorry, I'd left it up longer. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 20:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Archiving talkpage is to lower the page size, not to end drama. I dont think I've seen anyone here arhiving their talk page as fast as you do. I think you should wait a couple of days at least before archiving a discussion, but a better idea would be to do this only when the page is too big. Archiving discussions a few minutes after creation is nod good. You wouldn't like your mailbox to be cleared automatically every 5 minutes, would you? --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 21:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I clear my mailbox automatically, most of the time. Have had it done on yahoo and hotmail as well. One day box full - next day box empty. At least here, you'd still get to see talks, can create new to talk more, etc. Where as there - once it's deleted. it's deleted. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 22:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgive me for pointing it out but isn't that the second time in a short time period that Gares has Unjustly blocked someone and had to repeal the block? I've said it before and ill say it again, Perhaps gares, you should be a little more careful with your sysop tools. --71.193.48.146 22:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, It's easy to misjudge on things you see and using it with a policy. I don't blame Gares one bit, but I do agree in this - to look twice before judging. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 23:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sharkinu, you should have seen our Warwick in her prime. Three or four archives a day. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have an issue Briar, take it up with me, create a RfA, or take it up with ArbComm. There is nothing unjust when a mistake is admitted and rectified. In any case, Kaisha, I have restored User:Ariyen/Sandbox and every subpage there-in. &mdash; Gares 23:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've gotten a few for deletion again that I don't need. Appreciate it all! Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 23:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

asdlf
.jpg files blur colors when they meet, which makes reading text terrible. save as .png next time imo. -- Armond Warblade 23:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * saved it as it was originally placed. :-/ I agree though. Jpg does blend more than png. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 23:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not "more than." Jpg is lossy compression, the image quality gets worse every time it's saved. Png is lossless, its quality never deteriorates. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. What puzzles me, with those facts. Why is jpg still used? Admittedly I still use it, but only due to original and I'd forget to change to png. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 23:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a simple matter of size. Jpgs have much smaller filesizes than comparable pngs, so they're more suited to pictures that have no text or don't need sharp details. Photographs, typically, are saved as jpegs. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, that explains it. Thank you. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 23:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Also because people apparently can't afford terrabytes. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 00:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No reason to pay for terrabytes of bandwidth either :P. --<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  00:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why on earth not? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 01:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Less cash for GW GW2. --<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  05:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to have that huge THIS IS IT dot on maps? Such as the Nicholas one. Also the resaving you did desaturated the reds. Whoops forgot to sign. I can also see desaturation in the name of places What program are you using to save? Resaving jpegs can get better than that. Previously Unsigned 12:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Was there a discussion that I'm not aware of somewhere that taken place to use that icon instead of the in-game icons? I have to agree with previously unsigned, it's gaudy, and the image is lower quality than the previous image. -- Lania Elderfire 14:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Lord's Biro's image and has been used on most of the previous images of Nick and other images in the past. If you have a problem. I can send you Biro's Image to use. Poke has used it - same with others. No need for a "consensus" on every little thing Lania, looks like you just want to cause problems, instead of helping. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The one revert policy applies to images as well, FYI. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 17:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Considering Gares' message only a couple of days ago, Kaisha/Ariyen's past history, and this violation, I blocked for a week.
 * In regards to the image content - Poke used the star when he took a screenshot himself or edited it in some way to improve the image. Using the star for the sake of using the star does not excuse reducing the quality of the image, and I'm sure poke would agree (although since he isn't involved here, I'm not sure why that matters). I would prefer using the "normal" image, considering it's the better one in terms of quality, and also because it's clearer to determine Nick's precise spot. -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm quite certain you'll get an email, Pling, but she did revert herself on that image. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 17:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Then she reverted back to the star image, which she had already reverted to previously. (Since the cache's a little weird, check the filesize - the one with the star is 49/50kb.) -- pling User Pling sig.png 17:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, I was still seeing the other image. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 17:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

The question is probably why you guys care enough to start a stupid revert war over something that trivial. Use symbols that people recognize is my stand on this. It might make some baddies confused with other symbols, but it shouldn't really matter. -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 21:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ''"Actually I just reverted myself like twice, because of my computer acting up. was comparing images as well. I don't see a problem with either image.
 * But That was allowed. I only did One revert on Mini me and not more than once.", quoting from e-mail.
 * Could someone look into this? -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 07:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1RR is not about reverting one person only once. Is about reverting one article/file only once.
 * She added the star;
 * Previously Unsigned reverted her(1st and only revert)
 * She reverted Previously Unsigned(1st and only revert)
 * Mini Me reverted her(1st and only revert)
 * She reverted Mini Me(2nd revert!!!)
 * then she reverted herself twice
 * --SharkinuUser Sharkinu sig.png 07:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * iirc, GWW RV1 policy allows one revert per person. Reverting oneself doesn't count. I should get myself a perma by reverting myself twice all the time. -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 09:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ups, I'll look into that later, but I remember I checked she didn't break it. -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 09:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I had a look. RV1's are complicated. I'll just stop caring again, banned GWW'rs stay banned :> -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 10:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

For the sake of transparency and to get Chaos to shut the hell up, I will go over my findings. Kaisha asked me to review the ban, so I am doing so. I talked to Pling about it last night and got his interpretation, which does not seem unreasonable. The events unfolded thusly:
 * 1) Chrono007 uploaded a map using the standard in game interface. This map had not been fully explored and was missing certain things.
 * 2) Kaisha edited this map to add the large star which has been used in the past on Nick's maps producing this map.
 * 3) Previously unsigned uploaded a new map that was fully explored and missing nothing, but did not use the new star.
 * 4) Kaisha edited the new map to add in the star in this revision.
 * 5) Previously Unsigned posted on this page, in this section objecting to the reduced quality and the usage of the star which is not used in game in the image used by Kaisha. Kaisha brushed these concerns aside.
 * 6) Mini Me reverted the image once again to remove the star and fix the image quality issues.
 * 7) Kaisha reverted to add the star back in a second time, reverted herself to remove it, then reverted back to a version with the star.

If this were a text page and the "star" were a note, this would be akin to Kaisha adding the note, someone completely rewriting the page and removing the note as part of their rewrite, Kaisha readding the note once more, her first reversion of that section, being questioned about having the note added again, a third party removing the note with Kaisha reverting a second time. It's not a clear cut situation, but the analogies are there and considering her recent very specific warnings about complying with GWW:1RV, whether or not she understood the policy, I don't know how much sympathy I have. I doubt I would have banned for it if I were a sysop, but I can't personally can't say that it was unreasonable that Pling did. Does anyone else feel differently? <font color="#A55858">Misery  13:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Somewhat a question of assuming good faith. Also, be nice, she sent an email to respond to my comment above, explaining her actions (vaguely, I quoted the essential of it). I just wanted to make sure that her version didn't go unheard, since I try to be a fairrr guy. -- -Chaos?- (moo!) -- 13:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no question in my mind that her intentions were good, it's not really a question of assuming good faith at all. I also assure you that I have heard both sides of the story. <font color="#A55858">Misery  14:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is why talk pages exist. If Kaisha clarified why she made that many edits to the map on the map's talk page, all of shit would not have happened. She and Mini Me have only communicated to each other with short, immature edit summaries, and caused confusion with it.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  14:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * cant we jsut ban the hell out of her? i mean shes the dramaquen of teh unisvers and i still dont get why the existence of this account as allowed in the first place 127.0.0.1 15:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Because she has good intentions and also contributes positively for the most part. But, sometimes she has problems seeing past her own personal preference and ends up doing stupid things like violating 1RR repeatedly.  I can think of other people much worse than kaisha as they contribute nothing positive and at the same time cause drama.  Also you can't just ban someone just because you don't like the person, they have to actually do something wrong.-- Lania Elderfire 15:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Would that include me? :3--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /   nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 15:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't thinking of you, but since you're volunteering... ;). -- Lania Elderfire 15:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok :3--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 15:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * teh only one worse than kaisha is aryeien >__> 127.0.0.1 15:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are the same people.... <_<--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 15:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't expect it to evolve into this much... I just hate when people resave JPEGs without doing it at 100%. It undoes work and looks sloppy. That and this probably sounds lame but no credit lol because if people look back and the original image is really far below, comments and who submitted it often go overlooked. I mean nobody else layers on the labels and sharpens images that I know of. Sure it doesn't take long, but still... I think a hybrid mark (current in game one but with the direction arrow removed) would probably be the best compromise between the two. I usually try to do a Nicholas image every week too. Previously Unsigned 15:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I too have a pet peeve for low quality images, probably comes from making so many data figures for research grants and manuscripts. It might not have been noticeable for many people but it was just so glaringly obvious... yeah I didn't think it'll get this far either.-- Lania Elderfire 16:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * @Koda: I didn't think she would have listened if I reverted her and explained why on her and/or the file talk page, so all I did was revert and put my reasoning in the edit summary. Yes, I should probably have worded it in a different way, but I didn't. - Mini Me   talk  16:19, 11 March 2010
 * Well, if Kaisha explained why she made new versions of the map, that would be a reminder for people to include a marker for Nic's location. But hey, maybe next time.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  19:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Emails
Please do not email me anymore. No, I am not stupid, yes, I read the policy, yes, I know what it says, I also know what exceptions are in place. My post to you above was meant "in good faith", a policy of which I am also aware, and understand. You're complaining to the wrong person, and additional emails from you will be summarily ignored. If you wish to contact me, you may do so on my talk page, upon the conclusion of your block. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound  14:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I also believe Kaisha, that you have been warned before that the policies of this wiki also apply to the "E-mail this user" function. <font color="#A55858">Misery  14:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

GWW:1RR
Please review it.  Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  02:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC) I have not Undone any edits, just placing back facts that a vandal undid more than once on multiple pages, including admin. You can undo a vandal as per exceptions in that 1rr, sorry you don't know it quite that well to see that. It's an exception of what I did. not a 1rr to scream about, rather complain and point to me about. It is taken care of by Auron and Rainth took care of.
 * lol Ryuu, it was a vandal. – User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 02:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * An administrator, or sysop can deal with the situation appropriately, rather than pointless constant undoing of edits. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * GWW:1RR – User Balistic B d-dark.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 03:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an exception to undo a vandal Ryuu. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "Reverting simple and obvious vandalism, such as graffiti or page blanking. This only applies to the most simple and obvious vandalism. Calling an edit you personally don't like "vandalism" cannot be used to circumvent this rule." The "vandal"'s response to the revert is an issue with "personal dislike of an edit". Your further reverts of that merely encouraged further reverts on their part. Fully 1RR in your case? Perhaps not, but, definitely not the wisest course of action. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But I'm not a vandal. Hannahsolo 03:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's also unnecessary spam. An admin will see it either way. There's a reason discussion on the noticeboard is forbidden, and it's not just to keep the page size down. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hannahsolo, Really? Then removing sections isn't "blanking" a section of the page? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * At this point from this recurring individual, I'd call it more of trolling at this point. --Rainith 03:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I don't see how Ryuu has a problem, considering the vandal has reverted blanking pages on many "Trivia" parts. Therefore a trivia vandal. Not a "personal" issue. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I didn't mention any of those trivia areas. Furthermore, aside from the unnecessary spam created from this, I don't have a problem. I don't see why wouldn't continue to revert, only to encourage further action, rather than simply wait for someone to deal with the situation who can prevent further problems. And, I'm pretty sure the said vandal is making a personal situation out of this, correct me if I'm wrong. Intentional? Perhaps not, but, I regress. Carry on, if that's what you believe to be the best way to deal with it. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * At least there are those willing to fight against vandals, not defend them. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, right. Here, let me refresh your memory "pointless constant undoing of edits."
 * I'm not defending anyone. I'm not taking sides. I haven't been biased what so ever, and I have no idea why you've come to think that. Have I said, at any point, that there weren't vandals? Have I said, at any point, that people should be able to vandalize pages? Have I supported anyone what so ever? No, I haven't. Stop putting words in my mouth.
 * Have a nice day. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's defending the vandal? It's apparently escaped your notice that you're both in the wrong. Before everyone got all butthurt about it, though, it wasn't an actual issue, just something to be aware of. Now people have apparently gotten so defensive that it's actually become an issue. Damn, man, no one's perfect. It's not a terrible thing to admit that you were wrong every once in a while. More people need to do that. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I love reading these conversations. Please, everybody, do continue dissecting the meaning of "vandal" and how it relates to nuances of policy. Percy 03:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC) I have not Undone any edits, just placing back facts that a vandal undid more than once on multiple pages, including admin. You can undo a vandal as per exceptions in that 1rr, sorry you don't know it quite that well to see that. It's an exception of what I did. not a 1rr to scream about, rather complain and point to me about. It is taken care of by Auron and Rainith. I think this discussion should be closed as this vandal creates new accounts to vandalize out of boredom. While you all fuss over what I did and didn't do. I prefer us to deal with the real problems. The ones being actual vandals. Kaisha  03:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ryuu, here let me refresh your memory "pointless constant undoing of edits."
 * Currently, my recent changes page is filled with "(Undo revision # by ______ (Talk))" Apparently, undoing edits doesn't mean you're undoing edits. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * PEOPLE! PEOPLE! PEOPLE! The troll has won ;~; he started a flame war. GG. Now, I propose we ALL TAKE A CHILL PILL and *hugs* :3--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, agreed. Ryuu, so is mine, but it doesn't mean you don't know what is really going on. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize for linking a somewhat related policy in order to suggest a prevention of a pointless flaming and revert war clogging recent changes. I probably should've fully expressed my opinion, and concerns regarding the issue, rather than just relying on a link to suggest a point. That was wrong, and I openly admit it. That's not to say that I agree with what was done, or the way that it was carried out. But, I really think an argument on an event that's already passed is redundant, and see no reason to provoke such things. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

What's funny is that people continue to argue after the vandal is banned and has stopped vandalizing and the issue is no more... Silly people, it's the internet, no need for silly arguments on "he said she said." -- Konig / talk 03:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you not just read the last line of what I said? [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he was too busy reading the first ten billion unnecessary posts by you. Shut up already. - Auron 03:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, because I had the page open from three lines before my post, and I had an edit conflict. And a bit sleepy to read lines of text - I just compared the times of posts from the time that the troll was banned. x) Still, my statement stands, it's funny that people argue(d) over a troll, even after said troll went bye bye. Edit: And I was edit conflicted again! :D -- Konig / talk 03:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see why this was posted in the first place. 1. you can revert a vandal only if it is obvious and clear and it was. With that being said, there's no 1rr in reverting a vandal, is there?  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "a somewhat related policy in order to suggest a prevention of a pointless flaming and revert war clogging recent changes" [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Coming to me is pointless as I was not the only one reverting a vandal of which breaks no policy. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 04:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * * grabs the two knives at Kaisha's and Ryuu's throats* Enough you two, no need to go at each other like that. Now my earlier comment has more meaning *sigh* just kiss and make up you too, and let's not bicker about "who killed who." This is sir lancelot, knight of the round table. Earlier today my son, hubert... herbert, fell to his death. But I don't want to think of this so much as losing a son, as much as gaining a daughter, who is legally bound in every sense. *goes on and on about gaining land for himself* -- Konig / talk 04:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * *chuckles* I'll archive for the sake of what little sanity there "might" be. :-) Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 06:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Since this is unrelated to the walls above...
Kaisha, may I suggest moving the archive box to be equal to the main and talk page links (perhaps cutting the width of the "leave a message below" bar). The scrolling sucks. -- Konig / talk 03:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, you might know how that can be done? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Alas, my almighty powers of death and soul doesn't reach into the realm of wiki codation. So I have no clue how to change such, especially in my currrent mindset which is on the same level of being on par to being buzzed-ness of drunkenness. Despite having no alcohol in my system (go go lack of sleep!). I opened the full edit button and the coding just popped right out at me and it even threatened to bite off my head... Q.Q -- Konig / talk 03:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is one way of doing it. You could also add a clear tag after toc (/center) (/div) if you want the archive box to be above the line, but that looked ugly to me. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 04:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually meant it to look like this (actually figured it out!). -- Konig / talk 04:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Only issue is that, unless the bar for making a new spot is moved up (thus clashing with the archive box) or removed, the two boxes for the user page and talk page (are they needed?) will look... off. -- Konig / talk 04:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How's that? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 04:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In terms of scrolling, much better, though those two boxes... well if that don't bother you, it don't bother me. Tried other things to do, but nothing really worked. Q.Q -- Konig / talk 04:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I did it up a bit more. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 06:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

How's it spam?
I mean seriously, how?--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear   03:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * User, User_talk, check policies. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Its pointless, uneccessary, and pretty much clutters a page with crap. Though it may be on a user talk page, it still makes things generally unintelligable. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  03:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Serious, UF? How is it NOT spam? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 03:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously... wtf was that? One of the worst clutter, spam, waste of bits and bytes I've ever seen on any wiki...well except at pvx...  It's something I expect from a forum, not here.  How many times do you need to be warned not to treat the wiki as a social networking site? -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 03:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The definition of spam I've always been taught is excessive rapid posting. Example. What I posted was a bunch of 's, posted in a manner so as to give a message, albeit, in a longer way. In no way, was it meant to be repeated again and again.--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet, once AGAIN, you wikidiots have managed to create 10x the spam by arguing about it. You really need to learn to pick your battles. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 03:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The space something takes up can be spam as well, like the words you tried to create with the heart image. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Felix, not an arguement, a discussion. There's a difference. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So... Large posts = spam?--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between text and "wubs". I sent you an email about this, UF, in the hopes that this can be ended without further stirring of the pot. Arguing over something as trivial as this is ridiculous. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  03:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Large Incoherent posts, not discussions. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How was UF's post incoherent? I understood it. His intended target no doubt understood it. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 03:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously, UF... if you can't tell the difference between clutter and actual discussion, then maybe you shouldn't be at the wiki? Felix, I think she meant that the discussion at Tyria talk was incoherent. -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 03:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Same thing could have been said with less hearts. Even if we all understood it. Why take up so much time effort and space? Just to cheer someone up that could been said with less hearts (still using them in it though.) more words. Just the thought would have been nice and kind, etc. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Art > plain words--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Plain words with a bit of art, not too "creative", but enough for a cheering up. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But what kind of art, eh?--<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /  nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 03:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

This is all idle nonsense because you still shouldn't be removing other people's comments from other people's talk pages. You are not the arbiters of the wiki. elix Omni 03:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Removing Spam is allowed, read the policies Felix. @Unending, send me an email, we can discuss there further. :-) Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 03:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The policy doesn't apply because you aren't allowed to determine what constitutes spam. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 03:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The majority seems to disagree with you Felix, and the majority not just Kaisha thinks it is spam. -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 03:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This argument is completely irrelevant. My talk page, I'll filter content as I find appropriate. I appreciate that someone attempted to limit spam and vandalism on my page, but it really isn't needed. I can managed for myself. I'm big, I'm fine, I can press the "undo" button for myself. I love how this massive war of flaming and butthurt happened without anyone consulting me about it. Brilliant, really. Leave UF alone, he was making a genuine attempt to improve my day, and frankly, I needed it. You can all stop now. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  03:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's spammy, and does clutter the page a bit, but I'd say that it's barely within acceptable talk page usage. Given that, no more heart meows, or that will be spam. --JonTheMon 03:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Pro troll. --67.240.88.57 04:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * @Ryuu, doesn't matter if it's your page or mine or whomever's - if it's spam, it is against policy, right Jon? Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 05:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me write this as clear as fucking possible for you. It is not spam. My talk page is not a main page, and I have already specifically given my view on the matter. Am I not allowed to determine what appears on my own talk page anymore? Are you suggesting that because of your opinion, you're allowed to just remove whatever the hell you want from anyone's talk page? Stop patrolling "vandals" on talk pages, and deal with real issues. Yes, it may be of "non-wiki origin". Yes, it may be "socializing, and not regarding wiki-content". But, when you look at many talk pages, this is the case for most. I think, you need to grow up, drop it, and leave it be. [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  06:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Ryuu, you have never had the ability to determine what is acceptable on "your own talk page" since talk pages don't really belong to you, they belong to the community as a whole, and are regulated by community determined policies. You can remove obvious vandalism and pointless, unrelated spam. Otherwise, everything needs to be archived. Use of the wub template to create messages is something started by me when Pling created it to begin with, and the community seems to have taken an exception to the practice, so I advise everyone to stop doing it. I did a long time ago. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]]  talk  06:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm aware that nothing here is possessive, I was merely using that as a reference for "the talk page that belongs to my account". But, as you can see, that's a lot less powerful as a reference. As for regulation, I'm more inclined to believe this crosses certain lines, and perhaps becomes a personal issue. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure I know how to archive! =^-^= [[Image:User_Ryuu_R.jpg|19px]] Ryuu   - Meow~ ♥  06:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

All of this aside, I would strongly advise that Kaisha did not police the talk pages of people who clearly do not want her to as it is more likely to cause problems than leaving it be.You have a history of poor conflict resolution Kaisha, I would seriously suggest you don't step in to try and resolve user issues, especially within the user space. Leave it to the admins. If you feel it is especially bad you may highlight it to them, but if you do so too often you run the risk of not being taken seriously. <font color="#A55858">Misery  06:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't blame me Misery or put me in the spot here. I am NOT the only one. It got brought here, because I was the last one. It is in policy and guidelines and I don't see how it could be bad to revert spam and how it could be good to leave spam. I liked it, but it is not something to be here, Many others have said their voices in agreement, some in disagreement. Perhaps you need to look at consensus, history, etc. before you make such judgement. I'm not policing, but we do need sysops who should, else this wiki is going to get worse with trolls. That's just the facts of the matter. As wyn said, the user talk is not a user's personal area. Many seem to forget, including you. I hope your advice can be re-looked at and you realize your mistake,compared with the policies and guidelines, etc. This isn't pvx or guildwiki. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 16:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not blaming you for anything and none of what you said invalidated my advice. It's only advice, you can ignore it if you wish, but you do so at your own peril. <font color="#A55858">Misery  16:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Your advice shouldn't be directed at me then as you should look at what's here and what more seem to be for. You should give advice towards those who accept spam that's against what's written here. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 16:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * History tells us that messages composed with use of the template are tolerated. -  Mini Me   talk  17:13, 19 March 2010
 * GFG --<font color="#9c5a3c">/ u /   nending <font color="#990000">fear  User Unendingfear Avatar.png 17:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * For me, it's the length. If too long and too big, then yea spam. for like that above? Nope. Other than that, I don't have much of any problem with "spam".  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Problems
When I permanently blocked you, you emailed me with the following request: "May I please be given the chance to behave, be mature, etc.? Just to edit and I promise no more talk." Since then, you received warnings or strong advice from four admins (two of which are bureaucrats): Misery, Gares, Auron, and myself, after which I blocked you again for two weeks.

I don't think you're intentionally doing this to troll - you probably mean well, but you lack the capacity to realise when you should stop, so a significant amount of your contributions leads to disruptive drama for arguably no reason. Therefore, I'm vexed as to why you ignore "strong advice" (like Misery's above), weak advice, or even just something like "hey bro, calm down". You need guidance, and people are providing bucketloads of it. If you do mean well, you should absolutely follow that guidance!

You're a member of the community here, and other members of that community are trying to help you by way of decreasing the amount of hostility between you and other users, and attempting to get you to focus on being constructive. Please don't disrespect them by ignoring them. Even if you disagree with them, realise they're trying to help you. In fact, realise that especially if you disagree with them - chances are they're more emotionally distanced from whatever situation you're finding stressful or contentious.

If you were involved in an argument in real life, chances are you'd listen to friends and observers who tell you to walk away for a bit, calm down, maybe go for a drink, forget about it, and avoid getting into more arguments. What you're doing here, however, is like shouting back and them and getting yourself deeper into a mess.

So yeah. You need to listen to those people, take their advice, focus on something constructive like the mainspace articles, and avoid those messy situations. It seems that, for you, those messy situations seem to be user disputes, policy, and conflict resolution. If you avoid them, then maybe what you promised in that email will actually come about, and the community will see you in a higher light than they currently do.

This probably applies to everyone else, too. -- pling 18:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm hoping that no one responds to this. It doesn't really need a response. I'd prefer that it's just followed. -- pling 18:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you don't know situations, so I wouldn't be so judgmental as you are right now. You don't know me, or what goes on. Nor what are discussions and arguments, same with others. Nor are you really looking into what all is actually going on, you see what you care to see and judge. I don't accept things from people who don't know what's going on, more-so I do from people who do know what's going on and the real situation. I have had friends to misjudge and tell me poor or wrong advice, more-so because they didn't know what was going on, nor the time to actually look at everything. A lot of them knew that I knew what was best for me and more trusted me in my own judgement as I am an Adult. I do appreciate advice, but sometimes it's not always the best to be used in some situations, where one can be helpful, etc. I think many would agree in that this wiki should be for the people by the people, but at the same time. Not used other than a wiki. You don't see half of what you do here on other wikis. I have undone vandalism and spam on other wikis and be thanked for it, even recently. I am appalled that I and others get blessed at for the things we do to fight against vandalism or spam, etc. due to policies, etc. Not to mention, that you guys didn't ban another for 1rr and as I was told it was "missed". I see this as a personal issue from you to me. Also, you didn't look into the gares ban to realize it was his own mistake and no 1rr. You didn't pay attention to what all was going on. Like now, you're doing this WOT, because you're failing to realize what all is happening, just seeing me as a "source" and a "problem" when you aren't looking at the reality. You all choose by what you want not what is before you or the reality of what is there. The reality of what is going on.  Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, how do you know if Pling looked at the whole 'situation' or not? Tbh, what with Pling being the sexy beast he is and all, he most likely did, i.e. by looking at your recent contribs.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 18:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that was exactly the response I thought Pling would get. Congratulations, you have missed the entire point of his post. - Mini Me   talk  18:45, 19 March 2010
 * @One Recent contribs don't show everything *chuckles*. @mini you're the one to talk for you have broken a policy or two and get by with it. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 18:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried my best. I'd appreciate it everyone followed my second comment and didn't respond further. -- pling User Pling sig.png 18:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

hm
"I tried my best." "Your "best"! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and **** the prom queen." ~John Mason Kaisha   21:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See your above comment, that's what people have been trying to get you to stop doing. No matter that you are quoting things, thinly hidden personal attacks are still that, personal attacks. You have had enough warnings Kaisha from a range of people and yet you continue to be hostile and create needless drama. Please during your time out take some time to contemplate what kind of users are needed for this wiki to grow in a conducive manner and then ask if you are fitting within that group, as at the moment you are not. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 22:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Grammar
To prevent further derail on a topic, I'll put this here instead. -- *Yasmin Parvaneh*  22:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I have better resources like Perdue and email addresses of English Teachers. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 22:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's great! Now you should utilize those resources once in a while. :) -- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way...if you mean Purdue University...you spelled the name of the school wrong.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think she meant Perdue street. It's around the corner from retard way. -- adrin [[Image:User_Adrin_mysig.jpg|20px]] 05:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

GWW:NPA
Dear Kaisha, while "piky" might sound very cute and appropriate to you, it is not my nickname that I use on this forums. I am actually very offended that you have made fun of my correct username (which in case you do not have the visual peripherals to look - it's    Pika Fan     ). Please remember it is against GWW:NPA to make fun of other peoples' names, and refrain from doing it in near or far future. Thanks for your attention. Pika Fan 22:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL, not a personal attack. Grow up! 173.24.206.168 22:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously, get a life and get over it. People call other people nick names. It's not NPA. Learn, before you speak. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 22:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it is a personal attack to call other people names that they do not want called unto them, "Kaisha", and logging off and getting on your 1001 browser proxies does not change that fact. Pika Fan 22:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not my ip nor is it a proxy. You need to learn, before you go "blabbing". Seriously, You don't have Regina calling NPA on those that call her "Reggie". She might not like it, but it's not like NPA, same with Tahiria (sp?). So go away and play Aion or that other game. Since you can't handle the pressure here. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 22:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet both asked it to stop. Regardless of if it is NPA or not, once you are aware it is certainly antagonistic to continue using that name. --67.240.88.57 22:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It is your IP and it is another proxy you are using, the writing style is entirely the same - abrupt ending of sentences for absolutely no plausible reason and terrible use of English in general. If you want to proxy, at least type differently so as not to make it as plain as day it's you and your sockpuppeteering behind the scenes. Regina does not call NPA over it simply means she chose not to escalate the issue as her status as a community person - she has to appear professional. Tahiri Veila has made it clear that calling him "TV" was tantamount to a personal attack, and it was treated as such. If you want to learn from precedence, at least get your facts right. Now, stop making personal attacks at me and call me by names that I sanction, such as "Pika", "Pikafan" or "Pika Fan". Thanks for your attention! Pika Fan 22:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What about omelette master?--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 22:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Only *I* may call him that.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 22:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Shame.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 22:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACelestia&diff=1952820&oldid=1952818 - Mini Me   talk  22:46, 19 March 2010
 * Nice one Mini Me, pity Kaisha is bad at sockpuppeteering. 121.6.145.200 22:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

This section is amusing to me since I'm pretty sure it was you, Ari Kaisha, who used to get so upset about people shortening others' usernames for convenience. You used to say it was rude. Vili &#x70B9; 23:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if some users stopped trolling. Trolling Kaisha is possibly quite old hat nowadays. -- pling 00:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah, it's like Kaisha is the wiki's favorite punching bag for some people...I've tried to limit my comments as neutral as possible but then again, neutrality is an illusion. -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 00:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * She brings it on herself. That's my final thought on the matter.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 00:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * She really does... You'd think she'd learn after getting banned several times in a row not to respond to baiting and commit NPA violations... Doesn't seem to happen :-/.  -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 03:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be nice if some users dropped it. --<font color="limegreen" size="2px">Dominator <font color="mediumblue" size="1px">Matrix  04:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Dear Kaisha,
I've been receiving emails from you, in which you urge me to take disciplinary actions against a certain user. I hate to disappoint you, but I am not going to lengthen a fair block just because of a similar offence in the past, certainly not without the consent of the blocking sysop. Also, when you accuse users of avoiding their bans, please be certain the block on their main account hasn't expired yet.

In the future, please use the admin noticeboard to report policy violations. Have a nice day. &mdash; Why 13:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're not the only one that gets emails, why, pretty much everyone on the wiki does lol. Even me. →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 14:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I have mine disabled then :-). -- Lania Elderfire [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 14:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get emails. >: --User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 16:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

so your leaving again?
see you on your next sock pers  onn5  01:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

See you all!
I won't be checking my talk here, nor will I be creating a sock. So for all of you who "assume", there's your disappointment. For those who actually wish to chat with me - can either find me in-game or in my email. Have fun and please do not post here! Kaisha  00:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * cya - Mini Me   talk  15:35, 28 March 2010
 * The wiki won't be the same without you. Cya. - Mini Me   talk  16:59, 28 March 2010
 * DON'T POST. You won't get an answer, discussion is over and archiving to keep from additional posts. Contact me via the ways I left. Not here. Kaisha  User Kaisha Sig.png 17:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I am just curious, if you are really gone why do you keep archiving your talkpage? :/ Pika Fan 08:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * petition denied! :D 127.0.0.1 08:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Emails
Hi,

I just saw the email you sent me two days ago.

I already told you, but I will tell you again since the message apparently failed to penetrate your brains the last time: Stop emailing me. I do not care for you, I do not give a shit about Pika's or Tanaric's emails nor do I give a shit about what you think of this wiki. When I want to discuss something with you, I will contact you myself.

Thanks. - Mini Me   talk  18:36, 30 March 2010

See you all!

 * Bye.-- *Yasmin Parvaneh* [[Image:User_yasmin_parvaneh_sig.png]] 19:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It is quite interesting how you won't be checking your talk yet you still remove messages from your talk page. Hmmmm. - Mini Me   talk  19:19, 30 March 2010
 * Have a nice life. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:20, 30 March 2010  (UTC)
 * /wave--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot 19:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)