User talk:Why/Archive/Summer10

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 * Wait, so what's the rules for your archiving? →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 04:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * First person to post here gets his sig icon used in my archivebox, unless they already have one. So you're not getting a second icon ;)  &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 09:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh really? Interesting. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 10:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh god a question mark &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 12:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The person who posts first, or the author of the first post? User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K  When  Needed 14:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheater. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 14:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * First person, or first... RADIOACTIVE SCORPION?! [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * First person. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K  When  Needed 21:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

"This is no vandalism"
Have trolls cleared your page before? :0 -- Unending   ♥  fear   00:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes actually, replacing it with "lol". Pretty weird and random. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 09:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see :> -- Unending   ♥  fear  User Unendingfear Sig2.png 17:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I require your assistance
This is bordering PA territory, and I have no idea what to say.  Koda   Kumi  11:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I banned people and told them to cut it out. - Auron 13:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Sysops
Do you dedicate your self as a sysop or is it a promotion? I haven't seen you around on talk pages before, but you are sure a kind person and I wish you good luck!--Kram 15:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you ^^ Well, sysops are nominated and elected in the RfA procedure. We're the janitors of the wiki, sort of. Really, it's a shitty job but someone has to do it ;) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 17:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Main page
I suppose you could automate the updates, but what happens if there isn't an update at the beginning of the month, or even a month without updates? That would be a pain to code. --JonTheMon 13:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I discussed it briefly with poke some time ago but he was against it, and since he knows way more of such things I let the matter rest. I was just venting my opinion. It is kinda bad that we missed updating it for two weeks though. An easier solution would be to remove the links to specific months altogether. They're kind of redundant anyway. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 14:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Your an admin right?
Please ban the Trivia vandal. The Emmisary 22:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I got him. Sorry for not reacting earlier, I'm on vacation, and it's literally impossible to keep track of RC and the Noticeboard with my 5kbps, randomly disappearing mobile internet. Feel free to ping my watchlist again if he returns, I'll help out if I'm still here. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments like this make it all worth it. You're getting dragged away from your vacation to come ban me. That's wonderful. 216.104.38.110 23:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol. Wasting your time to waste someone else's time is worth it? I'm not sure which hole you decided to crawl out from, but really, society can do a lot better without you. G R E E N E R  23:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I almost feel sad. For you though, not me. I find the whole situation quite hilarious, you throwing your precious time away, just to make me spend one minute banning you. What ever happened to you, that makes you so desperate for attention? Freud would be intrigued. ;) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 09:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are you on vacation, Why? ^__^ --User Oneshot O.JPG neshot.      moo.  10:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Drinking lots of beer on a big boat in Woudrinchem, some dull village in the middle of the Netherlands. I'm enjoying myself though. :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 11:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'm flying to Greece tommorow morning. --User Oneshot O.JPG neshot.      moo.  11:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice, the mainland, peloponesos, crete or one of the islands? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 11:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You lucky people :D Shadow Runner  11:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Zante, one of the islands ^__^ I've been before, when I was younger. It's lovely.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot.      moo.  12:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice indeed. I went to Crete last year which was totally awesome. Going to southern France with the same group in one or two weeks. :D &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 15:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm jealous, that sounds absolutely wonderful!. Our boss went to Crete last year for a conference and brought back some really tasty candy, pastry, and snacks for us.  They must have really good food there! -- Lania [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 19:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yes definately, and ouzo. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 20:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

ahh long time no talk
Hey man, its been about a year. -- WoB 02:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good god, where have you been. xD →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 07:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, massive blast from the past. How've you been Blood? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 10:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I've been better. Finally coming back to Guild Wars. Hmm, I see you're now an Admin of sorts? Oh! Hello Halo, it's been a while too, hasn't it? -- WoB [[Image:User Wings of Blood sig icon 2.png|24px]] 21:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive
Hello Why, a while ago you banned me for being "disruptive". However, in my understanding of the word "disruptive" it could not be used to describe my actions, in this case. I 1) continued started to add to the skill animations project (a massive timesink). 2) RC in no way slowed down in the User / Guild / Main spaces (where this shitstorm hasn't touched). 3) I would like your clear non-dictionary.com definition of the word "disruptive" and how it would apply to me. Thank you for your time.  &mdash;  Scythe  20:32, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Continuing an issue which had actually finished could be considered disruptive. Just saying. Shadow Runner  21:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * his RfR isnt finished, and what am i stopping / slowing? &mdash; Scythe  21:11, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * You're being a retard. --User Oneshot O.JPG neshot.      moo.  21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * how so? and just to be cheesy; takes on to know one &mdash;  Scythe  21:19, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * I like ponys.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:25, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * With your bad logic, terrible examples and persistence that you are in the right, you have diverted people's time that is better spent elsewhere.
 * Everything after you said that the conventional methods of removing a sysop was "a pointless battle" can qualify for disruption/trolling/dramawhoring. You're unwilling to do it the proper way, so you are trying to force Auron to resign by stirring up enough drama and holding the wiki for ransom, saying the drama will end when Auron resigns. &larr; That is disruption.  -- R i ddle  21:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're wasting your own time. People aren't listening to you, your 'evidence' is bad, and Auron's a decent sysop. He's not going to be RfR'd or even de-sysoped just because you have a personal dislike for him.--User Oneshot O.JPG neshot.      moo.  21:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Scythe, right now you're stirring the pot. Right now, I don't care which side is right or wrong; looking at this neutrally, this could all have ended eons ago. I can't speak for the disruption ban, but constantly bringing up and issue over and over again (I.E the AN) and not letting it rest, in my humble opinion, would be disruption. If this all started with a reconfirmation on Auron, put it in and let it rest. Or whatever started this, honestly. Nobody likes going around in conversation circles, accomplishing nothing. The wiki does not "define" in hard letters what a block has to be; the sysops do use discretion. I can't speak for that. This is just what I see.
 * I place no blame on either party because this entire conversation probably shouldn't have happened. But honestly, this should probably just end before we start another lap on this endless circle. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler  21:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "And wall of text crit.'s you for 1337 damage!" -- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:35, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * a few things... How the hell am i holding the wiki for ransom?  The drama will end if he resigns i will direct you here if you need to see a similar statement.  Persistence, in my experience is the only way to achieve something, not quitting.  People are listening to me; disagreeing, yes, but still listening.  I am not the only one with an anti-Auron bias.  Also, WT you scarred me, thought you were Neil for a sec... was like... Neil dont talk like that 0.o.  If this should end then auron should resign, as i have stated countless times; otherwise, this shitstorm will not end.  &mdash;  Scythe  21:42, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * You've already done the most important step for that: adding your RfR to the list. After that, its up to community consensus and the actual reconfirmation process. This is a note of opinion, not a reelection campaign. You've done your part already, but now its getting out of hand, and people are realizing "hey, I think this is going a bit too far".
 * I'll say no more on the matter, but you can't accomplish everything by yourself. Just say it once, add your RfR, and be done with it. Thats all one can do. Consensus, not dictatorship. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  21:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * sadly ;\ &mdash; Scythe  21:51, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont write walls. but it would be nice if i did.-- Neil  2250  User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * so true :) &mdash; Scythe  22:01, 12 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * disrupt: to cause disorder or turmoil in. Or in more colloquial terms: to cause a shitstorm. Now stop.  Thank you. --Glynnis 04:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Heya Scythe, I'm sorry I haven't been able to answer you earlier since I was in France (for those who wonder, it was a great vacation, thanks) without internet. I thought the situation on the noticeboard talkpage and Auron's RfA talkpage was getting out of hand, so I decided it had to stop. I'm not going to analyze the situation in too much detail, since while I do have an opinion about Auron's sysophood, I think it's best for me not to get personally involved with the content of the debate just yet, so that when I do feel the need to take disciplinary action I can do so unbiased and without taking sides. In short, I think most drama was caused by you trying aggressively to prove your point, against a majority of people disagreeing with you. You had already been warned both implicitly and explicitly by Jon and poke, respectively, so I deducted the easiest way to stop this drama was to block you, instead of silencing the debate altogether. You are free to voice your opinion and provide arguments and counterarguments, but please do so in an orderly fashion and try to limit the influence of your emotions, especially when it's about delicate matters such as RfRs.

A word of advice: I don't think continuing the debate the way you have is going to serve your agenda. If I were a bureaucrat, I would certainly not start a reconfirmation process when the debate was raging on as it is now or was earlier. You've provided your reasons and signed your name, that's pretty much everything you can and should do now. I believe community support is an important factor in sysophood, and I think that notion is shared (at least to a certain extent) by our bureaucrats. That's why people should be given the chance to cast their vote in a reconfirmation process, but in a rational and friendly environment, not while tempers are flaring all around the situation.

To answer your original question, I do not think you are in nature a disruptive user. You have indeed made great contributions to the wiki, and for that I am grateful. However, I think your actions in the debate provoked a lot of drama, which I think is disruptive, not only to the one or two pages it is occurring on but also to the wiki as a whole since it distracts people from what is really important (content, for instance) and generally makes people unhappy/angry which is far from beneficial.

I see you've linked to this discussion on the noticeboard talk page. That's a good thing to do - anyone is welcome to discuss my actions or this block in particular here, as long as it is, again, in an orderly fashion and with rational arguments. And, no personal attacks please Oneshot, they're against the rules and you know it. Oh, and happy belated birthday! &mdash; Why 18:03, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fyi, he got banned for 2 weeks by Tanetris. - Mini Me  19:50, 14 August, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shows how much I missed. Thanks. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 01:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * why has once again proved why i have so much respect for her, WT also proved once again how hes here to actually contribute instead of waste time :). On a more relative note, 2 weeks was a very long time(Q_Q) and at this point ill probably stop, simply because bans is not funs :((( &mdash;  Scythe  1:12, 27 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is a dude. - Mini Me  08:07, 27 August, 2010 (UTC)
 * &uarr; and welcome back ;) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 11:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * really? i thought they were a woman =.=. Btw, glad to hear your vacation went well :) :( im adding to my RFR, he had no right to remove that comment D: &mdash;  Scythe  13:34, 27 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a pretty nonsensical comment, and by now I think Auron is feeling pretty stalked every time you ping his page. I can understand him removing it :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 14:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ive only posted on his page like twice D: &mdash; Scythe  18:58, 27 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not just posting on his talk page; it's everything you've done before that as well. - Mini Me  19:04, 27 August, 2010 (UTC)
 * u mean the whole irc business? because now hes claiming harassment on the AN, which is ironic. &mdash; Scythe  20:08, 27 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he's got a point. Let's just drop this, shall we? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ive dropped it, although i was rewarded for my persistence, CA & Pling added to RfR ^__________^ EDIT: pling removed :( &mdash; Scythe  1:27, 28 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Pling never did. – <font color="#7777cc">alistic 02:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi!
Thank you! &mdash; Raine Valen    6:49, 14 Aug 2010 (UTC)

HUGS move
Hi Wout. Thanks for moving the HUGS guild into historical space. A minor detail: You forgot to move the cape aswell ;) I'm doing quite well thanks for asking. I hope you are too? GN is doing OK too. We have had a stable number of active players for a long time now. We could use a new alliance but as we recently decided to change faction every month (something I suggested) it is unlikely that we will find one. --Miko 17:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'll get right on to that, thanks. Good to hear you guys are still around. I've barely been active lately, I really should get in touch again. Changing factions every month sounds awesome by the way. &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics 4 Why

 * Copyrighted lyrics removed**

"Why Are We Fighting?"

rationalism so fun, thought u'd like to see these. feel free to delete or archive when you've read them cuz they are very long. ^^ &mdash; Scythe  0:08, 10 Sep 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed the copyrighted lyrics. --Rainith 01:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice song :) been away for four days, anything happened in this place while I was gone? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 14:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Scythe got back, started this and got banned again. Oh, and Auron's RfA succeeded. - Mini Me  14:45, 12 September, 2010 (UTC)
 * k, same old same old, thanks for the briefing ;) &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 15:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

20 days later o_O <font color="#A55858">Misery  23:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's my fault, I only just noticed the changes when I was snooping through the IP's contribs. They were very subtle. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I usually edit by diffs so I knew at least some of them were there, I just found it hilarious and non-harmful. It is a character flaw of mine :< <font color="#A55858">Misery  23:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't really expect you to care a big deal about it, but it seemed like the sysoppy thing to do. :P &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 23:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Was trying to figure out how to delete that image myself, heh. Thank you. -Ruse 21:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Deleting things is not something regular users can do, but if you just tag it with delete it'll get done by us soon enough! &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why]] 21:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)