User talk:Teh Uber Pwnzer/Archive 1

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ur userpage is amazin«º¤¥Ω☼Vørråx☼Ω¥¤º»

But red is more amazing. Lord Belar 02:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

yeh y isnt urs a red link here???«º¤¥Ω☼Vørråx☼Ω¥¤º» 02:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Because a random text string is even better. :P Lord Belar 02:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

good point«º¤¥Ω☼Vørråx☼Ω¥¤º» 04:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Stop.


 * I can't show if you were trying to repeat what happened at PvX wiki but whatever; I'm telling you now that extreme size pages like that messes up the wiki server. So don't. Backsword 05:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I want to know two things: a) how big of a page my computer can take and b) what "A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1153: Got a packet bigger than 'max_allowed_packet' bytes (172.30.129.83)"." means.


 * This wiki is not made for your personal testing pruposes. Please stop. As we now know what big pages can cause (from PvX), this can be seen as vandalism. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 10:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So theres a way to crash this wiki? Can i crash wikipedia with the same thing? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 18:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but presumably you can (and should) crash ED like this. :P Lord Belar 02:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That seems pointless, it may get revenge on someone, but honestly,whats the benifet in that?--The gw fan 01:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If i write something like 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 on izzys talk page and hold it down for three hours with something and then save the page will it crash the wiki? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 21:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, yes. But I wouldn't put it past them to find some way to push the request on to the gw servers. :P This would either cause massive lag, but no crashing, or you would crash gw, too. Or you might just crash this wiki. Either way, you'll get banned. Feel free to try here, though. :P Lord Belar 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * lol a friend of mine loves that site, i think its gay so i might as well try --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 22:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

GET 100 CONTRIBS!!!! Need voting power for PvX! --- Ressmonkey (talk)  03:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

wtf? Lord Belar 04:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 23:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? Lord Belar 23:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 23:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 23:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? Lord Belar 23:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 15:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --- Ressmonkey (talk)  02:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? Lord Belar 03:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 04:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? Lord Belar 04:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 04:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 07:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --- Ressmonkey (talk)  22:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? --Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 22:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? Lord Belar 00:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ftw? [[Image:User_Teo_Sig_Icon.JPG|PLZ CLICK HERE]] ^ Teo ^ 15:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Eve online
its fun. people should play it. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 06:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Ursan Re-do
My thought about balancing Ursan  purely just the blessing right now. Your thoughts? Cause A Little Mayhem 06:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * While I like the lowered armor, health and increased recharge time, I dislike that your version completely gets rid of the profession system. Btw, Ursan starts recharging when it ends, iirc it also clears all the skill disables when it ends. I also like turning the bear attacks into attack skills instead of just skills (if thats what you meant, I just woke up and am tired so I cant completely tell), this gives it some actual counters.
 * Coming up with a solution that rids profession discrimination but still keeps the profession system and balance in PvE will be hard, but there has to be one. I personally dislike that you must have Ursan or you get kicked more than profession discrimination.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 13:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Big pages
To cite myself: "This wiki is not made for your personal testing pruposes. Please stop. As we now know what big pages can cause (from PvX), this can be seen as vandalism." - anja   12:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * heh, uve been working on that for a time now, what is supposed to happen? --<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User_Cursed_Angel_Signature.jpg|19px|talk]] 12:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * big pages? I only see a max of +250 something in my contribs and the history on those pages only have small amounts of text. I don't know what your talking about :P<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 12:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you do. I've already seen the talk page on PvX ;) - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 12:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Remember your ban message on PvX? Spamming pages isn't cool, here or anywhere. - Auron 12:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Exact words: "talk page faggotry". In italics iirc.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 13:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, where on this talk page does it say I made big pages? It doesn't! :p Although, I guess that all my template pages could be considered spam.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 13:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That was the awesomeness. --- Ressmonkey (talk)  01:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And don't mess with my talk page please, it still is MY talk page. Nicky Silverstar 22:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You broke policy, I fixed it.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 02:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Ursan
Ursan ruins your challenge? Play the old way, no one forces you to use Ursan if its too easy for you...

You still need challenge? PVP, lol

Ursan ruins the economy? There are a lot of things that ruin the economy much more than the Ursan, and ppl play for fun and not for immaginary economy goods, no fun no play. this is a game, isn't it? Spaghetti 01:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ursan allows terribad players to easily beat DoA, so yeah, it ruins the economy. The Zaishen Chest is probably the only thing that beats Ursan when it comes to economy killing. Also, making things too easy takes out the fun. The more and harder you work at something the more fun it is when you finally complete your goal. The less fun it is, the sooner people quit. So by taking away much of the challenge, Ursan is actually killing the game.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Btw, knowingly kicking yourself in the shin takes as much fun away as using overpowered skills to make the game easier.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

- Ursan allows terribad players to easily beat DoA - terrible palyers - sas who, sas you lol!?

- Making things too easy takes out the fun - i told you no one forces you to use Ursan if its not fun for you lol

- The less fun it is, the sooner people quit - agree, and Urasn is loads of fun

- Ursan is no challenge - no problem play the old way.

Ursan and the other PVE skills are extra options, and as such they contribute of the variety and creativity of the game and the builds. If you dont like them use the old fashion builds and skills, but ruin other ppl's fun just cuz you dont find PVE skills challenging. And off topic its not about "bad" or "good" players (even if you try with all the power to bring out this classification, and to be considered one of the "good" players) its about time! Ppl like Ursan cuz it takes less time to clear an Elite zone with, we can all run some balanced team, and clear any elite zone if time does not matter. But mature person with real life find hard to dedicate 5 continuous hours for an elite zone clearout, and to do this often. The creation of the PVE only skills has its reasons you know.Spaghetti 14:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Time tends not to be an issue. Your average pug simply cannot clear DoA using a balanced build. I've tried.
 * Childish insults get you nowhere; you've essentially conceded the point that ursan lets terrible players clear DoA.
 * The fact that ursan exists degrades both the economy and the perceived value of the rewards ("bragging rights", if you will). Even if it were removed, people would still have a tendency to assume that one used ursan to clear DoA, or PvE skills and consumables to get other high-end titles. That makes the game less fun.
 * You can't get a pug to play non-ursan; they're too dumb and they won't be able to finish. So how exactly do you propose to play the old way, while being able to get a group at essentially any time?
 * -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 06:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol Armond, this game did not start with Ursan you know. DoA cannot be cleared using a balanced pug team build? lol..

And how it was done b4 EoTN came out? I have made my first Tormented Weapon playing just DoA balanced, and i tell you its 100% viable but it takes loads of time. So - bad player - good player classifications to support your weak teen self confidence are just immaginary, any player (if he likes to and has the time for) can be a good player.Spaghetti 09:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know I said I wouldn't comment, but I don't feel like waiting for Armond.
 * 1) There is a difference between organized teams and PuGs.
 * 2) So, if there are two guilds - an unranked and a top 50 guild - in a GvG, with both of them running the same build, it will be a tie? I think not. The game revolves around player skill. The players with the least skill are bad players. The players with more skill are good players. Ursan completely removes skill from PvE as you can mash 1 through 4 and still achieve more than nearly any other build.
 * 3) Hey Armond, are you still a teen with "weak teen self confidence?" I know your in college, but I don't know your age.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 12:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Spaghetti; I'm assuming you don't remember a damn thing about DoA before ursan. You know why? Because nobody could beat it for ages. People were whining that it was too hard from the day it came out. They were bad players and could not come up with good builds. They were the same people that are using ursan now. Nobody beat Mallyx for quite a while. Finally, a team made of mostly PvPers (Rep Protein A of Team Quitter, among others) decided to give it a try; and they won. Surprising, huh? How not sucking can allow you to win? Then Hard Mode came out. Same deal. 30 page threads on Guru discussed how impossible Mallyx was. Finally, Racthoh, Trubs and Rob decided to give it a whirl. They beat Hard Mode Mallyx with heroes. All those bad players (the ones currently using ursan) were caught up in the 30 page thread about how glitching Mallyx wasn't yielding results, while the good players tried time and again until they got bars that were a good enough counter to win. That counter was basically wards and paragons, but specifically it doesn't matter a ton. The majority of players are bad. Ursan groups are the only ones that form because those players cannot play anything else - they suck too much to do so. You can't pretend otherwise; if they didn't suck that much, they'd have beaten Mallyx in the months before Kris and them got off their ass and did it (with heroes!). That alone is a good enough argument against Ursan. Guild Wars is a game where your skill (not skill bar) is the determining factor; if you aren't skilled, you don't win. When a single skill and a few consumables does it for you, it defeats the entire point of the game. Please refute that argument and don't play around with any other bullshit - Ursan is overpowered. There's no pretending otherwise. If your argument was that the playerbase sucks too much to run balanced, you'd have a pretty solid argument; however, I was under the impression you thought Ursan Blessing didn't need a nerf. - Auron 12:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviosly, usan is overpowered they way it is now used. However, the intent behind it seems to be to allow some professions who didn't have a place in the teams that you mentioned to still receive the new reward. There should have been ten, profession specific blessings, rather than generic ones which allow horribly unskilled players to beat the hardest areas of the game. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 21:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cry of Pain should be more than enough for Mesmers, honestly. As for my age, I'm 18 and haven't suffered from self confidence issues in over two decades. Personal attacks don't win you arguments. I'll be very clear and say that I couldn't give a crap what you say about me, but I'll advise you against making personal attacks (or whatever we want to call them) because they seriously undermine your argument. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 06:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you mean me, or pasta? <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 03:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I dont understan your problem dudes...

dont use it - simple as that
 * You dont find Ursan a challenge and fun

Your status simbols, the elite armour and weapons, the titles, the "im good look at me" things? Is that the problem? Too many people can have them, so you fail in your attemt to be the few "elite" players?
 * You dont find ways to distingush from the other (as you refer to "bad") players?

Well one info for you: GW is not for you, take games like WoW that have elitism, have loads of grinding and lvls, esclusive elitistic weapons with superpowers, GW has made clear right from the start that its not "elitistic" game. There is too much than the showoff in this game, accept it, if you dont like it GW is not for you.

(about doa farming, yes it was a problem for the first 2 months, approx from oct 2006 to dec 2006, than when the doa balanced "official" team build came out on wiki, all PUGs used it and with little coordination all players could clear doa, this went on for about a year, and many people, me included made their torment weps just in pug teams, it workes perfectly but it takes time and patience, so its not that pugs did not exist in doa, or the other elite zones b4 ursan came out, its a silly thing to say) Spaghetti 15:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WoW doesn't even pretend to have balance. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 03:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thats why they made them PVE only skills. And we all know well that your problem is about "elitism" not bout "immaginary pve balance".Spaghetti 08:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course there's elitism. There's always elitism, everywhere. Get over it. This, however, is perfectly logical elitism. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 21:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

lol dude dont tell me to get over something, i like the game the way it is. its you ppl that have to get over, accept the game, and stop crying.

If you really want to be the few "good" players go win some PvP.

For sure the elite armour, weapons or pve titles you care so much about, are not an indication of a "good" player, the noob ppl tht dont know a thing bout the game go for this things,lol

So stop crying bout PvE, you make me laugh.Spaghetti 23:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Heheh sounds like Spaghetti is winning this argument... You should have it on the Ursan page and see how many people shut him down. Luckily I'm here to restore the balance. Y'arr! Watch out for my massive iron hand of justice.
 * Ursan promotes elitism in a greater way than weapons, armour and mini pets ever did. If a non GW:EN character strolls into Domain of Anguish, they'll never get a party. That's elitism: seperating the haves from the have nots. Unlike armour, weapons and mini pets expansion packs cost real money and all those poor children without $50 (in Australia) can't compete, unless they have some friends among the top 100 players in the world, with or without real skill. (WOW ELITES IN ELITE MISSIONS!?)At least the only differences between elite armour and weapons and their non-elite counterparts are merely cosmetic. Which is more than I can say for the injustice mentioned earlier outlined in the sentence: the only difference between Ursan Blessing and all other skills is that Ursan Blessing is far more powerful and restricted for use by people who own GW:EN. If Arenanet was anti-elitist which I have never seen advertised they would not have used the words Elite Mission, Elite Armour, Elite Weapons, Elite Skills, 1337 Skillz, have a GvG ladder, ranks, level, attributes or skills.
 * Furthermore, to have a multi-proffessional skill, devoid of attribute that replaces the skill bar you worked so hard on for a build that is more effective than any other in all situations.... How about we get rid of some redundancy - delete Ursan Blessing or delete every single other skill except Rebirth, Arcane Mimicry and a couple of heals.
 * If your feeble argument can still find its way to defending against that (without the sole use of flaws in my own argument, which has been noted earlier) try this.
 * Ursan Blessing solves no issues, it only creates them. If the skill wasn't there, there would be no controversy. Remove the skill, remove the hate. I'm sure you may want to keep arguing about this but you are NEVER going to convince an anti-ursan to lay down his pride. You will only convince him not to play and I don't believe that is congruent with Arenanet's best wishes. So if you care about their future, you will care about the future of our accounts.
 * Ursan Blessing is hurting the Guild Wars community and it is hurting its founder with or without your help. If you favor diversity, dignity and fun, you will at least sink back into the 60% of players who really don't care.
 * Please note I have not opted for the deletion of the skill but rather one of the many possible ideas that would not damage the general populace's definition of the word fun. The fun derived from the aquisition of platnium, however, I'm not so sure about. Personal attacks are also irrelevant as I'll not be visiting this page any time soon - my time will be better spent fixing this broken toy.

Belar ftw thanks to me, Spawnlegacy 12:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

'"The majority of players are bad"'
i completely agree... especially to the doa groups who are simpleminded thinking that there is only one way to beat mallyx.. through ursan way groups, which is lame in my opinion, but who cares about opinions, lets state the facts...

1. ursan gives you +200 hp and +20 armor, however it provides no healing or defensive skills, a paragon can add the same defense for the whole party and still put out almost as much dmg with the right build

2. any character class can be used against mallyx, although i must admit some are better than others cuz u cant put hexes and conditions on mallyx or use enchants without being severely punished for it

3. i love my sin.. but i hate the fact he cant find a group against mallyx or in the doa, a sin can be just as effective, as any character class, its just those lame sins thet have no skill that make the good ones look bad, thus people decide sins suck.. not true!

4. people say that ursan is great and all, i do agree its imbalanced because it makes the newbs average without taking any skill, this cannot be allowed, who wants to hear a bunch of newbs getting all high and mighty saying"omfg we beat mallyx with ursan!(by mashing 4 skills..) that was soo hard, lets see u do that noob!"(by mashing 4 skills?)

so anyhow, im sure im missing a lot of major points but.. that sums up what i have to say--13ThirtySeven 00:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WoW


<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 04:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * After 2500 hours of guild wars, it got boring. The grind in WoW is funner than GW PvE and the PvP is more fun to me as well.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * After the first 2500 hours of WoW, you've either quit or forever lost your life to it. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 04:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have one leg, I have an excuse to shrug off life.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have an eyepatch and a parrot, too? :P <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 04:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, no.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Guild_Wars_2_suggestions/Pirate
 * I gues that means you'd have to rule out acrobatics as an attribute choice. Thanks for info, I'm pretty new.
 * Like how its aligned now? hehe I'm shit. Spawnlegacy 11:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rofl@pirate thing. And yes, much better.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 12:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

and action equals edit
You have to use the full url format if you want it to work, like here.--Fighterdoken 05:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And here I thought I found something that would make vandals across the world happy. :( <font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 05:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

3+ years
I don't know if my response here was too much or not enough; but apart from finding Ursan rather meaningless in the grand scheme of the game, I see most of these discussions as pure nonsense. Again personally, I'm enjoying playing GW after almost a year and that only rarely has anything to do with Ursan. Next, I'm also looking forward to StarGateWorlds this fall. (I thought about trying for the beta but I'm not really a beta type guy and GW is still fun for me.) Then probably about the time that gets old I'll be hoping that GW2 is about ready or already out. But, that's just my entertainment gaming plan. What I fail to understand is how anyone's plan can realistically be GW and only GW when they don't even charge to play. Oh well, I guess it can't and that's really why there's so much complaining over what is in reality a very good game. -- Inspired to ____ 04:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I do think Ursan has a huge affect on the grand scheme of things. With everything so much easier, people will complete their goals faster. With people completing their goals faster and easier, it will feel like less of an accomplishment. With these factors many players may start to think, "why am I even playing this game? There's no point." Eventually they would probably start thinking "why bother with buying the expansion? Its just more of the same." I also don't see how anybody can play GW and only GW. Everything just happens too fast and people get bored now. I would like that to change, and thats is why I complain.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 05:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Sidetracking
Please don't try to sidetrack every discussion on ArenaNet talk:Developer updates or User talk:Regina Buenaobra into a debate about Ursan. Show some respect for those who wish to discuss other topics such as recent updates, even if you think they were "worthless". (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * So I'm not allowed to say where I think their time is more wisely spent? Anyways, despite what I said on ArenaNet talk:Developer updates, I do not believe that that update would be completely worthless. I believe that it would be very positive. However, that could be solved any time before GW2 is released and the effect would be the same. The Ursan problem on the other hand gets worse as time goes by. So, imo, until Ursan is fixed, that should be their priority and I will hold by that wherever I post (unless I get an official "YOU WILL BE BANNED IF YOU CONTINUE!" type of warning...).<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 08:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can rant about Ursan on every talk page of the wiki as far as policy says. This is not the same as it being a good idea, and completly unrelated with providing directions for new users of the wiki. Backsword 10:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey
I didn't see your comment from before on my page, go back and if you can remember we can work this out. It was under "remember kid" Vael Victus   22:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)