User talk:Silver Edge

Event Missions
Even if you spread a part your heroes, it's still better to kill the storms, they have firestorm AND metor shower, and they ofently cast them on separate targets. After you kill them, then you take out the mesmers. --Runningbaka 15:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've done all the missions up to now with minimal dificutly, so stop removing my tips =)
 * Everyone has done them, and most of their tips are ridiculous | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 16:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not eveyrone has done them, many ppl still have dificulty doing them.
 * First of all, you should put tips and whatnot on the talk page unless they are absolutely groundbreaking, which your advice was not (No offense intended). Second, please be sure to always sign with ~ after all of your comments. :) ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 22:29, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's my walkthrough that's up there on the Haiju Lagoon (mission)‎ so obviously my advice was good XD Runningbaka 00:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Once you separate your party members and flag your heroes apart, move out of the way or flag away the hero that gets targeted by Fire Storm or Meteor Shower. If your party members are spread far enough apart, Double Dragon and Incendiary Bonds will only affect 1 party member. The Wrathful Storm has 5 skills that have a recharge time of at least 15 seconds, so as long as you can avoid or interrupt Fire Storm or Meteor Shower and spread out your party members, their damage per second isn't too high. The mesmers on the other hand have several interrupts that can shutdown casters and hexes (Empathy, Spirit of Failure) that can shutdown any party member(s) that use attack skills to deal damage. On top of that, the mesmers can spam those interrupts and hexes more often now that Fast Casting reduces the recharge time of their spells in PvE. --Silver Edge 03:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever, my way is faster and works. Runningbaka 13:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So that's how discussions work for you; if someone doesn't agree with you they're wrong? --Silver Edge 22:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's also quite ironic how you say "so stop removing my tips =)" when you're removing my additions. I don't see why the alternate "target priority tip" couldn't stay.--Silver Edge 22:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not worth to discuss it, and I removed your additions because they are not as effective. Runningbaka 02:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I already explained above how the alternate "target priority tip" can be effective. There can be more than one method listed in a quest or mission page, so I don't see why that has to be removed. Let the reader read both the "target priority tips" and let them decide which one they want to use. It's not like my addition told them to kill Grasps of Insanity first. --Silver Edge 03:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True that =) Runningbaka 13:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes
Either you programed a bot today, or you're caffeinated to the point where I've become concerned. G R E E N E R 05:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Psst, make a user page so your name isn't always red. :o ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 05:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All manual edits, but most of them were copy and paste edits. This is at least the fourth time someone has commented on the number of edits I've made. Maybe I'm editing too much. Hi, my name's Silver Edge and I'm a wiki-holic. --Silver Edge 05:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But I like having my name stand out in recent changes :D. --Silver Edge 05:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't stand out if ALL of the edits are yours, man! ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 05:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, Crimson Edge has a nice ring to it. :P ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 05:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

An aside, don't the GWW:NPC policies imply that you should only categorize by campaign if multiple campaigns apply? I don't think it's necessary if there is only one location or whatnot. (Using your Jalis edit as an example.) ---  Ness Hrin    | 21:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain. GWW:NPC seems to imply that the Locations section should be grouped by campaign if applicable, but the Missions and Quests sections should be grouped by region and makes no mention of campaigns. --Silver Edge 22:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seems too ambiguous. A lot of articles have both groups regardless of number of locations, so I'll just assume that's the intent behind it. Looks neater too, in my opinion. Carry on. :P
 * Also, you're getting the warning for this page's size. Archive time? ---  Ness Hrin   [[File:User Ness Hrin SBIcon.png]] | 22:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, time to archive. --Silver Edge 22:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Dear Sliver Edge
I know your weakness :P →← 07:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What would my weakness be? Also, did you type "Sliver Edge" intentionally? --Silver Edge 01:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nitric acid? -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 01:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Running out of pages to fix? Good luck. --- Ness [[File:User Ness Hrin SigIcon.png]] Hrin | 1:53, 23 Jul 2010 (UTC)
 * By making you Blue Edge. (and yes I did, lol see what I did there?) →[ » Halogod User Halogod35 Sig.png  (talk)« ]← 06:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Genius! --- Ness [[File:User Ness Hrin SigIcon.png]] Hrin | 18:40, 31 Jul 2010 (UTC)
 * =O This will remain a red link for the foreseeable future. &rarr; --Silver Edge 07:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Skills
Do I dare hope that you have a decently blank account to double check where skills are offered? G R E E N E R 09:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I only have one account, but I just don't have a mesmer, dervish, paragon, or ritualist characters and my assassin still hasn't left Shing Jea Island. --Silver Edge 09:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you
still play gilworz? I've got a decent stash of wealth if you needed anything. - Auron 05:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I still play. I've only been playing for about over a year now since coming back from my three-year gilworz hiatus. Thank you for the offer, but there's currently nothing I urgently need. --Silver Edge 06:28, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
The link helped to see it wasn't only me (sanity +1), and that I shouldn't procrastinate (motivation +1). ;D Sardaukar  06:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :D --Silver Edge 08:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This edit
Is the image not showing up as animated for you? That's the only reason I can think of for such an odd edit. I only ask because it is animated on my end, so the thumbnail text is odd in context. --- Ness  Hrin | 3:35, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not animated for me. I guess it's only me then. When I changed it from thumbnail to a non-thumbnail image and click "Show preview" it would animate, so I guess it has something to do with it being a thumbnail. I'm using the most recent version of Firefox. I'll revert my edit. --Silver Edge 03:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm using Firefox as well, so it's odd that your version is still. Probably just a cache issue with your browser or something. Anyways, carry on. :P --- Ness [[File:User Ness Hrin SigIcon.png]] Hrin | 3:46, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)

Cinematic vs custscene
Can we go back to cutscene? I realize that Cinematic is ANet's official term, but I think this is a case where the wiki policy of preferring the technical term should give way to using the word that everyone uses. Outside of game literature, puff-pieces, and (now) this wiki, I don't think I've ever heard (or seen) cinematic used. I've certainly never spoken (in-game or otherwise) to a player using that term. (Perhaps I need to talk to more people.)

Of course, if this was previously discussed, please point me to the right place so I can read what folks have already said on the topic. Thanks!

PS Thanks for removing the repeated notes from Sunjiang District; I felt they should go, but didn't feel comfortable hacking them off at the same time as my rephrase/re-arrange edit. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 15:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I happen to support TEF: cutscene is what I call a non-playable in-game rendering of a plot moment, cinematic is the playing of a movie file. | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 20:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I use both interchangeably, and wouldn't be surprised to hear either from someone. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 22:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The "official" term is what is supposed to be used in the articles, according to this guideline. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 23:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, that is a "guideline." Secondly, look at the wording used in this specific case - "official terms are generally preferred over unofficial terms." It doesn't say "official terms are the only acceptable option" or "official terms are always preferred." Please don't quote stuff like it's the law - keep guidelines in perspective. - Auron 23:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you miss the part where I said "guideline"? I'm aware of what it said (I provided the link), and I don't think I said anything about the "law", you're the one attempting to twist and insert words. Go troll elsewhere. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 23:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to note: wiki documentation of cinematics has used the word "cinematic" prevalently for some time. -- pling User Pling sig.png 23:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All mission articles, including Sunjiang District, currently use "cinematic" as part of the subsection names in the Dialogue section (Opening cinematic, Intermediate cinematic, End/Ending cinematic), so to be consistent with the rest of the article I changed "cutscene" to "cinematic". If the consensus is to use cutscene instead of cinematic, I would prefer if all mission articles used the same term in the section names and sentences, and not both (cinematic used in section names and cutscene in sentences). --Silver Edge 03:49, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, I feel it's ambivalent enough to be fine with the much easier option of leaving it "cinematic". | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 06:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with consistency. I just don't use the word, cinematic in conversation ever, so it looks odd to me. If others don't really care, then let's leave well enough alone. (And, it goes without saying, if it get changed the other way, I will be happy to help.) &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In sake of current consistency, as Pling stated above, I too agree, with the continual use of cinematic. MystiLefemEle 11:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

there shouldn't be spacing before the sic template.

 * "[ Based on GWW:GF#Quotations there shouldn't be spacing before the sic template. The template is also used to indicate extra spaces in descriptions, etc (i.e. Dwarven Stability, Yellow Snow)]"

I believe that the spacing before a "[sic]" is required: it distinguishes the quoted text from the sic-note. As used in wikipedia, which we link, there is always a space: sic and w:Template:sic. I find the phrasing in GWW:GF to be ambiguous, especially as it doesn't include an example and I cannot find the discussion that resulted in that choice of words.

If, after looking at wikipedia's usage, you still disagree, would it be okay to move this discussion to the guideline talk page? Thanks.

&mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 09:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I don't disagree. Unless someone disagrees, go ahead and change the wording at GWW:GF. --Silver Edge 18:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've updated and added examples. Please take a look (I'm especially unsure if quotes belong "outside" or "inside" the italics; this was also ambiguous in the phrasing, so I used Wanted by the Shining Blade as a source &mdash; the quotes are inside the italics there.) &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks great. Most articles I've seen have the quotation marks inside italics while the "Syntax and example" sections of GWW:NPC, GWW:QUESTS, GWW:MISSIONS, and GWW:CINEMATICS also notes this. --Silver Edge 19:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Boy--84.19.165.214 18:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Just saying...
You edit WAY too much, also can you please tell me how many cups of coffee you have been drinking... Baby Char 20:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Zero cups of coffee. I don't drink coffee. --Silver Edge 20:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Other sources of caffine? :P Baby Char 21:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, I don't consume anything to help keep myself awake. --Silver Edge 07:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Whats you secret... :O! Baby Charr Goes Rawrr 10:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He's a robot. - Mini Me  11:58, 30 August, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sleepediting? | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 14:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He is possesed by Dhumm. Baby Charr Goes Rawrr 18:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * i don't see why people think you need caffeine just to stay awake. i can go a full day without any form of caffeine and stay awake. i would then powersleep for 2 hours and i'd be ready to go another 24 hours. it's really not hard to do. i've never even dozed off in my car before after being up for over 24 hours. :\ |Cynn's   Thong|  User Cynn's Thong Sig.png 19:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

beguiling haze was mostly likely on that list because it used to interrupt as well as daze (the more you know etc) - Auron 07:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It seems that even with the old "foe is interrupted" description, Beguiling Haze only interrupted spells, which was redundant to note in the description since a target casting a spell is interrupted when dazed is applied anyway. Might be why that part of the description was removed when concise descriptions were introduced. This makes me wonder why the Broad Head Arrow descriptions have to mention that it interrupts a spell when it hits. --Silver Edge 22:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If, for some reason, the Daze is not applied, it may not interrupt a spell. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  3:06, 31 Oct 2010 (UTC)

Ki Leung
Are you sure you want to add full-quotations inside of full-quotations, and add a quotation mark to the end of a paragraph mid-way through a quote? Doesn't look right to me. G R E E N E R 03:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I made another edit to that page. --Silver Edge 03:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice middle ground. G R E E N E R  03:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

DST change
The DST change usually does not affect any timed event in-game. This includes the Zaishen & Wanted Quests but also Nicholas' time and the time the Codex Arena changes skills. UTC is not affected by DST and all those events are usually bound to the UTC time. As such the changing time in UTC does not change, just the interpretation for all countries where DST happens. poke | talk 17:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just assumed that automated in-game changes on the the game servers ran on Pacific Time, since the weekend event and special event (i.e. Halloween) log-in screen announcements note that the start and end times of weekend events and finales are based on PST or PDT and not UTC. So only the start and end times of weekend events and special events change with daylight saving time? --Silver Edge 05:05, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess those are still planned and enabled by hand, but for the most things in-game, the time is fixed and (luckily) not affected by DST. poke | talk 08:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Hell's Precipice (Zaishen quest)
Your edit says: Changed link so it doesn't bypass the spoiler warning on the top of the Hell's Precipice article
 * So what were you planning to do about the Boss name that's clearly visible on the map to the right? ;) Tub 13:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I got the idea of changing that link from this edit on the Hell's Precipice article. I didn't notice Rurik being listed in that map. The map is sort of a spoiler, especially since Hell's Precipice (Zaishen quest) is linked from the Main Page when it is the Zaishen Mission. A simple solution is to not have the map appear on the Hell's Precipice (Zaishen quest) article since the map appears in its mission article where the walkthrough also is. --Silver Edge 02:36, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the reason why the spoiler-warning is wanted is clear to me and I don't disagree. Just wanted to draw your attention to the map.
 * I don't like simply removing it. It's not there as a walkthrough, but to provide the player with a quick visual cue "oh, it's that mission!". Replacing the text on the map seems like a good option, but the creator of that image is inactive and if I fixed it it'd look like a terrible hack-job; if you can do better, please do. Tub 04:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm probably the last person you would want to ask to modify an image. --Silver Edge 05:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, hack-job it is. Done. Tub 14:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Commas in a list
I reverted your recent edit removing a comma because I'm pretty sure that (a) this wiki more often has commas after the second-to-last item in a list (before the "and") and (b) I thought I remembered seeing a specific guideline/policy about it. However, after saving the change, I couldn't find the relevant section (which would, I had hoped, state one way or the other).

Near as I can tell, Brits tend to prefer no comma in these cases and Americans tend to prefer it, but that isn't universal (I think among the prevalent newspaper style guides, we can find both). So, I'm not sure how we should resolve it for consistency sake. There are so many examples on the wiki, that it might be hard to say which is more prevalent...or if any particular usage is by design or accident. Also, anything involving grammar usually takes a long time to build consensus on. Is it worth the energy.

All the above is a long-winded way of saying: I think Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie works/looks better than Alpha, Beta and Gamma. However, if you have a strong feeling the other way, go ahead and undo my reversion and I'll try to stay consistent with your edits by avoiding that last comma in the future. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 09:14, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not the reason I removed the comma. I would usually put a comma there, but since the Black Moa is also from Factions, I thought it would look better without the comma there. Currently, that sentence looks like only the Phoenix is from Factions and the Black Moa doesn't have a campaign or location listed; i.e.:
 * Black Widow from The Underworld,
 * Black Moa,
 * and Phoenix from Factions
 * Of course, it would probably read better if the "from The Underworld" and "from Factions" were removed, since you could find the location/campaign on the charmable animals' articles. --Silver Edge 09:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. Yeah, I think you're right that (a) the from construction creates a misleading impression and (b) rephrasing is the best way to handle it. I took a stab at rephrasing to keep the locations using a more parallel construction; this has made the Fellowship section more verbose than the others. Perhaps we can cut out some more of the details. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Wintersday Cheer and its NPCs
The quest is historical, but the NPCs are not! A Good Deed uses them all! I don't know what all you did, but please revert the changes of historical content! (Also, we should probably sync up Wintersday Cheer's NPC list with A Good Deed's). I'll try to do that which I can find, but I dunno if I can get it all. -- Konig / talk 12:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the remaining NPC changes I've made regarding Wintersday Cheer. Note that  is used instead of   because the colon doesn't appear:
 * Quests involved in:
 * --Silver Edge 18:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Edge
Are you a robot? -- Neil •  17:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am a robot that doesn't function on coffee; however, I may need a tune up as I have been malfunctioning as noted in the previous section. --Silver Edge 18:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting.... - Lucian Shadowborn  [[Image:User_Lucian Shadowborn.png|19px]] 03:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And please don't call me Mr. Edge. Mr. Edge is what my father would go by. --Silver Edge 19:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised more people haven't said so, but I appreciate your work. I don't know how or why you do so much, but keep it up. -- Oiseau | 03:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you =D. --Silver Edge 19:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Core
Thanks for seeing that. I'll get around to cleaning those up, as there are still two more gods to go through. G R E E N E R 20:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Bug reports?
I used strike outs instead of a check mark because I thought only ANet staff was suppose to use Yes/No for bug reports. Should I do it the other way round the next time? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The last time a QA member edited any of the bug report pages was back in April of this year 1, 2, 3, 4. I've taken on the task of maintaining the bug report pages by marking and archiving the reports, so that the QA team won't have to spend time reading and commenting on reports of bugs that have been fixed or reports on things that are not bugs when/if they do their next round of going through the bug reports here. This way they spend that time reading and commenting on the reports of legitimate bugs that haven't been fixed. I usually mark a report as Yes when it is fixed in an update or red when it is obviously not a bug, then wait a while before archiving it. --Silver Edge 20:50, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That makes sense to me. I am worried about what happens if (when?) you aren't available or if the peanut gallery decides to chime in (and e.g. inappropriately flag things). Any thoughts on how to make this (a) semi-official and (b) self-sustaining? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot think of anything right now. If you have any ideas, please share. --Silver Edge 21:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (1) Clone you. (2) Clone your clone. More seriously, maybe we can create a perennial project page with brief guidelines. We might also see if there's an easier way to link to appropriate update pages (rather than copy/paste). e.g., . Maybe you can think of which tasks are repetitive for you and we can attempt to automate/wikify them.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't find manually linking to the appropriate update pages too difficult. Guidelines might be useful. --Silver Edge 21:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Edge Bot
I was wondering if you'd use your great super editing powers to run through Mad King Thorn to make sure it's on par to proper formatting as it's been nominated for feature but when that was done it wasn't on par to proper formatting and I just want it double/triple/whatever checked by someone who's more used to the formatting guidelines than myself. Danke. -- Konig / talk 04:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Locations section is usually the first section on NPC articles, so the sections could be rearranged. Also, is there a reason his "aliases" in the Notes section is listed in that order? If not, it can be rearranged in alphabetical order. Everything else looks good. --Silver Edge 05:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, usually general information would go on top of locations, so don't think that's an issue. I'll reorder the notes though. -- Konig / talk 17:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Location header
Hey, I see you're changing some of the spacing for the collapsible locations. Let me know what works out the best so I can change my copy/paste from here. G R E E N E R 20:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 450px seems to allow enough room for locations with spawn conditions to appear entirely on one line and not cause the display problem I indicated here. I ran into a few henchmen pages earlier that don't have all the outposts/towns listed which I tagged with section-stub. --Silver Edge 20:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

We only list the category for the year introduced?
It seems arbitrary to hide NPCs based on the coincidence of when they were introduced. I shouldn't have to dig into each subcat to discover which NPCs appear every Halloween, so if we are going to limit which years to use for tagging, I'd also like us to use generic tags.

The current method has e.g. Jingle Bear in Category:Wintersday 2008 NPCs but is hidden in Category:Wintersday NPCs and future years. Illogically extending this idea to its extreme, NPCs introduced in the NF preview event belong to Category:Nightfall preview NPCs but not Category:Nightfall NPCs.

I think the problem is that there are distinct goals that can have overlapping categorization:
 * Classifying by historical background, e.g. introduced in Wintersday 2008.
 * Classifying by current appearances, e.g. appears every Wintersday, but not elsewhen.

Any thoughts about how to make things easy on the casual reader while still covering gory details? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 03:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Jingle Bear should be in Category:Wintersday NPCs also.


 * Most special event categories are currently a mess. The special event a NPC appears in is used as the affiliation, so special event NPCs appear in Category:[special event] and Category:[special event] NPC. For example, Grentch (NPC) lists its affiliation as Wintersday, which automatically places it in Category:Wintersday, and that article is also placed in Category:Wintersday NPCs.


 * Placing pages in Category:[Special event] [year] NPCs for every year a NPC has appeared in is rather redundant. For example, when Wintersday 2011 comes around, someone would have to go to over 81 Wintersday NPCs pages to add them to a Wintersday 2011 NPCs category. Unlike Wintersday, all other special events (such as Halloween) do not have [Special event] [year] NPCs categories.


 * Category:Wintersday NPCs should list all NPCs that appear in Wintersday; however, I'm undecided about whether Wintersday NPCs that no longer appear in Wintersday (such as the ones in Category:Wintersday 2005 NPCs) should be in that category. I think the Wintersday [year] NPCs categories should only list Wintersday NPCs introduced that year to avoid repetition. And something should be done about the redundancy with Category:Wintersday and Category:Wintersday NPCs. --Silver Edge 04:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Since this was an issue with you before...
I was wondering if using TOCright on pages like Devona, instead of the current way to move the ToC to the right, would work? I don't like having the ToC so far down and it just doesn't work on the left with such lengthy articles, and the template puts it next to the infobox. So I was curious if there would be issues like hit before for you. -- Konig / talk 03:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed most of the henchmen pages to use TOCright a week ago, but some pages, such as Devona, use the code instead of that template because of that issue with a screen resolution of 1024x768. I just previewed the Devona page with TOCright and that issue appears. The collapsible tables could be made smaller to fix the issue, but that would cause some of the Prophecies locations to not appear entirely on one line. --Silver Edge 04:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Skill update page
Re:. While I am not sure why we have the same information in two places (main space, feedback space), I had copied the code from Skill update previews:January 2010 and the others like it. G R E E N E R 06:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I've reverted my edit. --Silver Edge 07:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. By-the-by, any idea who designed all of that? I can hardly make heads or tails of much of that code.  G R E E N E R  07:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it was Wynthyst, since she created Feedback:Skill update previews and Skill update previews:January 2010. --Silver Edge 07:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's based on my game updates code though. poke | talk 09:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Re edit of Chung, the Attuned
Not that it matters much, and I won't bother reverting the note you removed, but I think it's worth noting that while there may be other bosses absent under/during the same conditions re Chasing Zenmai, only Lale also drops Chung's Focus. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kruhljak (talk &bull; contribs) at 06:43, February 23, 2011 (UTC).
 * In my opinion, it was unnecessary speculation. It's already noted on Chung's Focus that Lale the Vindictive drops the same focus item as Chung, the Attuned. Also, Chung's Focus isn't the only unique item that drops from two different bosses, e.g.:
 * Lou's Karambits drops from two bosses who don't appear in the same explorable area (Lou, of the Knives and Waeng).
 * Tattered Fan drops from two bosses who appear in Wajjun Bazaar (Quufu and Shen, the Magistrate; although it's not noted on the Wajjun Bazaar or the respective NPCs pages, Shen probably doesn't spawn during Quufu's associated quest). --Silver Edge 22:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Unimplimented & Historical Skills

 * While they are both removed, one list refers to skills that never made it final version; the other refers to removed/obseleted skills of for historical reference. The skill histoy revision project is difficult without such a list, being forced to use offsite/fansites of questionable accuracy, and whenever a PvP skill is merged/deleted it plays havac on those pages (Example). What is the census on this? Year-old Discussion. ^_^ --Falconeye 07:37, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Hahahahahaha
Thank you for catching that. Long day :P -- R i ddle 04:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I tend to make wiki mistakes myself. --Silver Edge 04:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Related skills
How did you come to some of the relations with the new flash enchants? --JonTheMon 05:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, I wasn't paying attention to the ones that change attack damage. I've reverted those edits. --Silver Edge 05:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Drink discussion
Template_talk:Item_infobox --JonTheMon 14:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Tocright
Hi, what's with adding this to all the articles? -- Hong 05:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not adding it to all articles, just articles that have nothing but whitespace to the left of its infobox  or have a long table of contents . --Silver Edge 05:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * But it looks terrible. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:40, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ruh roh ;-)


 * However, maybe we could do something to make the ToC standout more nicely. It's particularly awkward when there's a one sentence intro followed by the ToC then a long paragraph. Perhaps: indented a bit to the right, plus more spacing top and bottom + something to make it fit better when there are extended info boxes/extended contents. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 05:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It does look terribad. Wanna try some stuff in your sandbox and create a discussion in corresponding talk page? &mdash; δ(x) 15:44, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I am hoping someone else steps up to do so; I can help articulate what works/doesn't work in design, but I'm notoriously bad about designing myself (Those who can...do; those who can't, critique.) Also, I don't really have enough insight into how the wiki has the style sheets setup to be able to see whether this is a simple issue (adding a padding note) or a complex one (redefining how the TOC is created). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

YOU! are you on on now!? Can I steal you away!?
I am dealing with retards ATM looking in game. I just need somebody to help me test the interruption effects for data. I am quite far but people are SLOW as hell. Something that should took 2minutes takes 12+. Saw you on right now though and you seem like a person who is responsive and attentive. Mind if we meet in game to finish the research? I cannot find anybody of the regular wiki people on atm! Previously Unsigned 04:43, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm in the middle of a vanquish. I'll take me a few more minutes, but I can join you afterwards if you like. --Silver Edge 04:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Previously Unsigned 04:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Is your in-game name on your userpage? If not, you can post it here or e-mail it to me. --Silver Edge 04:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I emailed it to you. You are probably still busy though I am guessing. Previously Unsigned 05:02, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Team vs group vs party
You have been changing group and team to party in a lot of articles; I'm not sure that is what our style guide requires. Generally, when writing, I try to avoid repeating a word over and over, especially if it's jargon that is not central to the point being made. Team and group are perfectly reasonable synonyms for party, which is the official word. In most walkthroughs, any distinction between them is meaningless; in contrast, the distinction is critical in skill articles.

So, do you think it would be okay to allow the use of alternative words for the sake of rhetoric if the context prevents people from being led astray? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, party seems best used. For instance, in AB, Vizunah Square, and Unwaking Waters you go in with a party of 4/8/8 (respectively), but you have a team of 12/16/16 (respectively). Likewise, in the Deep, you have to initially split up into 4 groups of 3, but you're still one party/team of 12. That's how I view it, at least. A group is how one splits the team, the party is the mechanical grouping of PCs and NPCs (exception: Allies), and a team is the combination of the previous to the point of having shared goals/being allies. If there were a hierarchy, I'd have it shown as Group>Party>Team. -- Konig / talk 07:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that's a sensible way of talking about the multi-party missions, but that's not what I was asking Silver Edge about; in most walkthroughs, there's no difference between party, team, or group (well, perhaps not most; mebbe just many). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 08:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the implication was not apparent: When there's no division among the team, then all three in turn are one in the same (but most missions houses "allies" which are not part of the party but part of the team :p). -- Konig / talk 19:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If another word is to be used in place of "party", I'd rather group (which redirects to the Party article) be used instead of team (which has its own article). --Silver Edge 03:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Um...
Why did you undo me? You could just changed it as like your last edit. :-) I just undid the broken link. 72.148.31.114 04:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to this edit, your edit didn't fix the link, you removed the pipe link to Krak Flamewhip (warrior) and replaced it with a link to Krak Flamewhip (Warrior), which currently doesn't have a page either. I reverted your edit thinking that the "Krak Flamewhip (warrior)" page still existed, but then realized that page was deleted yesterday. I guess we both need to use "Show preview" more often. =P --Silver Edge 18:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)