Talk:Winds of Change encounters

Encounter Maps
I took a screen cap of the location, but I don't know how to upload images to the wiki, anyone mind enlightening me?--Yojimaru 00:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To the left of the wiki screen you have the search - underneath is support then toolbox, in the toolbox's box, there's "upload file" - upload it as "User Yojimaru "  Konig / talk 00:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And it's good ol' Konig to the rescue! Thanks.--Yojimaru 00:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Outside Nahpui
I'm not so good at manipulating the wiki, but there's another conversation between two peasants Just outside Nahpui Quarter, across the bridge. It mentions some tragedy involving some "Yuudachi family" (?) and a "Minister Reiko". Perhaps that will be explained in other encounters? Anyways, I'm afraid I mught just make a mess of things, so i thought I'd leave the updating of the article to someone else Lord Zepherr 01:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads up! I'll look into it as soon as possible.  Do you know what the requirements are?--Yojimaru 02:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure on requirements, but here is an image of the dialogue: User Freedom Bound RecruitmentEncounter.png. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 02:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I had done very quest preceding cleansing the undercity, and had listened to the dialogue outside of Kaineng, not sure if the quests or the dialogue was necessary, but i'm inclined to think it was the quests Lord Zepherr 02:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cleansing Shadow's Passage, iirc, leads to that one as I got it before doing Shenzun Tunnels, and I saw that before the one in Bukdek.  Konig / talk 02:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've added the second dialog. I wasn't entirely sure what to title the conversation though.  Is the title I chose suitable?--Yojimaru 03:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ive done every quest till the death od the jade brotherhood guy, reisen phoenix. than i saw a small cutscene "to be continued". before that, i had a dialogue telling me to talk to minister reiko and ashu and see some vision. now im trying to figure out where to find them.
 * Terribly wrong location, but you hit the end of part 1's main quests.  Konig / talk 06:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * well while trying to find reiko and ashu, ive seen more encounter dialogues im both harbors (the one in KC and the one in mktplace).

Dialogue 2 (outside of nahpui) didn't show up for me, is it like the WiK dialogues and they don't always show up? --213.118.52.18 16:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ah, i think i know what happened, when i did the quest cleansing the undercity i exited nahpui quarter and went to the undercity from there, i probably activated the dialogue when i passed by. --213.118.52.18 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Dialog Progression Leading to Something?
Does anyone else have a feeling these encounters will lead to later content, similar to the dialog progression seen in WiK leading to the development of the hideout? It seems parallel to the patterns seen in WiK. Here's to WoC being a successful addition to the game. Cheers. -- Mythoryk.
 * idk, i hope so. i do recall reading somewhere that winds of change wasn't a big feature of guild wars beyond and that it would be added in 1 update. i just hope this isn't all of WoC, if it is i'm dissapointed. --213.118.52.18 14:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You probably read it wouldn't be added in 1 update. There's 3 parts. Waar Kijk Je Naar ™User_Waar_Kijk_Je_Naar_sig.png 14:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * probably, just finished the quest and saw the cinematic "to be continued".--213.118.52.18 16:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Kinya Province.
There's a new conversation in Kinya province as well, telling us a bit more about Ashu. Screenshot of text and location: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/derpaderp.png/

Full text:

Yukiko, Muse of Words: Have you heard the story of the missing daughter of the Yuudachi family? It is one of my favorite modern mysteries. Van Qi, Neophyte of Words: No. How's that one go? Yukiko, Muse of Words: The missing daughter was said to be a rare beauty and a source of great pride for her family. But none appreciated her as much as her father. Yukiko, Muse of Words: When the Afflicted attacked Tahnnakai Temple, the entire family was killed...save the young son, Ashu. As the story's title might imply, the daughter was never found. Some say that they have seen he, but there have never been any reliable accounts. They say she was on the streets, running, or that she was taken away to the palace, or stolen by the Am Fah, or by pirates. There are as many versions as there are tellers of the tale. Van Qi, Neophyte of Words: So? What's so special about that? Lots of people died or went messing when the plague broke out. Yukiko, Muse of Words: This is why you will never succeed as a writer. You have no appreciation for mystery, adventure...romanticized ideals! Doesn't it make you wonder if she is still alive? And what happened to her? What paths must life have taken her down? That poor, lost little girl. It's sadder than any fairy tale. (Resigned it because I made an account.) Maintenance 15:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning Up
I assume we are nearing completion of the list of possible encounters for Part 1.

We've got to start working on the order of encounters now and which quests need to be completed for which encounter.

I believe some of the orders can be found within the quest texts, as I remember Kinya Province got mentioned by one of the Ministry volunteers.

I also apologise for the horrible load of edits ( and edits I didn't mark as minor edits), I'm new to the wiki and hadn't read any editing guides yet. Maintenance 17:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already shuffled two of the encounters, I won't be able to tell the correct order for all this stuff until I start the WoC on a second character, so I can check the encounters quest by quest.--Yojimaru 20:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmhm, I had the same problem, I've added some more encounters. I'm sure we'll be able to figure the order out pretty soon. We're doing a great job so far, the guildwars2guru forums are really enjoying these lore bits. Maintenance 20:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I can confirm that "A case for the Imperial Guard" does indeed happen after Intercepting the Am Fah.--Yojimaru 21:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The Kaineng Docks encounter is available before completing Cleansing Rhea's Crater, which should at least narrow that one down a little. Should we keep an eye on possible overlapping requirements, like having to do a Lei Jeng quest as well before it turns up? Just a thought. -- [[Image:User_Elveh_sig.png|15px]] Elv 08:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I got that encounter before doing Rescue at Minister Cho's, I think.  Konig / talk 08:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I got the Kaineng Dock encounter before getting the reward for Cleansing Pongmei, so I attributed it for Cleansing the Sunjiang District quest. I've not done any of the Lei Jeng quests yet.--Yojimaru 22:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Finally.... finally I have all the dialogs in their proper order, unless we find more in part one... now we just have to reorganize the images.--Yojimaru 09:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Great job on finishing that up Yojimaru! It's looking all fine now, are we sure about all the prerequisites? Maintenance 09:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked most of the locations each and every time I finished one of the Purity quests on my Rit, which was incredibly tedious BTW. You're more than welcome to triple check if you want.  I don't think any of the Dragonguard quests trigger any dialog.--Yojimaru 10:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) My concern is whether this page is necessary at all. Transcription of any location-specific dialogue belongs on the dialogue's respective location pages, not here. Things like War in Kryta dialogues require us to be a little more flexible because they are necessary to progress the storyline, but that isn't the case here. I'll tag this for a deletion, see if we can get a discussion going. --Santax (talk · contribs) 12:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The dialogues can and should be documented on the appropriate location articles, but that doesn't mean we can't also have this page if consensus deems it useful (which I personally believe it is). - Tanetris 13:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The collection of these dialogues have been proven to be very useful for those wanting to pierce the story of Winds of Change together and those wanting to experience it to the fullest. I believe this article can coexist with copies of the dialogues on the location articles as well. (Resigned) Maintenance 13:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any harm in having this article either. -- Hong 14:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 10
Anastaisia (Did I spell that right?). Very clear reference. Oh! Whole Czar thing here! Nevermind. Too many differences for a big Tsar reference... Darn... I know a good bit about the Csars. (This message brought to you with four different ways to spell Tzar.)-- Necro   Shea   Mo  05:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't really say. Yes, both show a missing daughter when the family is slaughtered but - 1) Anastasia was a royal, the missing daughter was merely a priests' daughter (I'd assume such anyways, since only the Sai Ling Order, an order of priests, are allowed to enter Tahnnakai Temple other than nobles); 2) Anastasia was the sole survivor of her family, this daughter is merely missing, and not the sole survivor (Ashu, which makes me think of achoo, survived).  Konig / talk 06:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ^^I'm trying to remember, but didn't they finally find Anastastia's bones and prove they were her's?--[[File:User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg]] Necro   Shea   Mo  21:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Deletion
This has been one of my most useful and frequently checked pages on the wiki. Why you would delete it I don't understand. I find it frustrating that to read the HotN dialogue and piece together the story I have to read it all on seperate pages, that is just confusing and disrupts easy flow and interpretation of the story. How else would you display this information in a way which communicates it better than this page? 122.111.177.171 13:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I can see why someone would like to delete a page like this, but then there is the War in Kryta dialogues which is the same thing, and that is not up for deletion. Also, why is it classified for deletion according to the LOCATION-template? It's not even close to being a location... I say, keep it since moving the content ot the main WoC page would only make it hard to read and understand. Winterbay 14:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a discussion and a rationale for the delete tag (and explanation for why the WiK dialogues page is not tagged) in the cleanup section above, although the consensus at this early point in the discussion seems to be for keeping the page. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutly Keep! WiK page has survived, and this one should too. [[Image:User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg|20px]] Titan Crow  15:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with the others, it is more efficient to keep the event-related location-based dialogue under an event-based page than a location-based page. This is particularly important if there is any concern for spoiling elements of the event's story. Gmr Leon 16:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As I helped construct (or rather, I reconstructed) the WiK encounters article to how it is now, I am also in agreement with keeping this. It is more beneficial to folks looking for the dialogues not necessary to further the story to have them all in one place. Furthermore, when I reconstructed the WiK encounters article I removed them from the locations' articles (and the NPCs' articles) and merely provided a "see " in the section because it duplicated information. It's far more effective to have them all in one place (whether they're named encounters or not is up to debate) and merely link to them from the locations article (I bring up the locations' articles because of Tanetris' comment in the Cleanup section above).  Konig / talk 16:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So Santax, by your logic, we should delete the armor gallery page and instead put the armor in the pages of the respective outposts where they can be crafted. This dialog may not be "necessary to progress the storyline", but it does give us a greater understanding of what is going on, and since there is no in-game direction to these dialogs (a gossip npc that gives hints to where dialog is occurring would be nice), that makes this page very useful for those of us who aren't intrepid adventurers or don't want to wade through countless wiki pages and try to piece the dialogs into a coherent order.--Yojimaru 20:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, keep the page.--[[File:User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg]] Necro   Shea   Mo  21:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are no good reasons I can think of for deleting this page. Aqua (T|C) 23:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I, too, am against deletion for reason already stated here. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 23:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think Deletion is a necessity for this page. If it had random nothingness then I could see it but having useful information for players shouldn't be deleted. I concur with the above statements regarding the content not being deleted --Twilite Sunrider16:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's not clear to me why there's a delete tag on this article. If and when the clean-up of GW Beyond articles results in a better place to put stuff like this, great (we can move/delete then). In the meantime, this is a great one-stop shopping resource to see how various bits of seemingly random, local-color dialogue flesh out the background of the epic story as it unfolds. (Also, remember that GWW:LOCATION was written before Beyond and so might not always be the best approach.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not unlike a database, sometimes things have valid reasons to have multiple indices if people are likely to want to search for them in multiple ways. Because a very common use-case, especially right now, will be for people to seek out the specific things that have been changed as part of WoC, it makes sense to give them a way to easily do that, which this page does. Thus the page is useful IMO. -- Sirius (talk) 04:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * As a result of the current view (over a dozen supporters of the page, only one recommending deletion), Konig has removed the delete tag. (We can perhaps revisit its necessity sometime after the final installment is released.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 7
Where is it? I've explored EVERYWHERE north of Seitung. Somebody needs to correct the location or be more specific by giving a landmark, eg: near miki lake or by kaanai caverns. Something to direct people, including myself, on how to find this encounter. --Musha 23:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally found it. That is MOST DEFINITELY NOT north of Seitung. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 23:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You could have just used the map of course.--204.213.65.94 23:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Doh. I never noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19px]] 01:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)