ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback/Warrior/Crude Swing

And that'll accomplish what, exactly? No other hammer elites are worth taking in PvE. --164.47.99.222 16:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * pretty much. Good summary of the issue, but it is irremediable. Hammers are meant for pvp, period. -- NUKLEAR  [[Image:User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg|19x19px]] IIV  17:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would make earthshaker better in PVE, which is the only place you'll be using it unless fighting smiteball. Right now there is no reason to not run a shield on a warrior because ursan> earthshaker durability wise and the knockdown is surefire even when blinded/hexed. --Life Infusion &laquo;T&raquo; 04:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * removing the -40 seems like the best idea so far... Adding in some extra adrenaline gain would be cool, since hammers aren't used in PvE because they are slow, lack the use of a shield, and the skills cost too much energy/adren to be used frequentely. this skill could use more damge if you decide to keep the -40, or if not give it some other benefits such as adrenaline/energy gain or even DW. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Sethstijn (talk).

You guys must be joking
Seriously. -40 armour on a warrior makes him a paper mache? Just how much damage do you expect to take in less than 2 seconds? An Earthshaker-Crude Swing-Whirlwind warrior bar is the most useful bar a warrior can take in PvE and don't tell me that you die because you don't (unless the people or heroes you're playing have terribaed bars or just suck), I've ran the Earthshaker bar in plenty of HM areas and I rarely die (except when I'm being attacked by like 10 monsters at once, in which case the extra armour wouldn't have saved me anyway). You guys are deluding yourself if you think hammers aren't used in PvE, as far as HM is concerned a hammer is the best weapon a warrior can run simply because of Earthshaker b.r // talk  11:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Oppose, see ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)