User talk:Salome/April 09 - May 09

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I'm better than you
"Please start responding with actual aims, plans and explanations of how this will help the wiki AT LARGE and not with general rhetoric about the theory of worth or how you feel about peoples comments, as to be blunt, those are not pertinent to the issue at hand." &larr; that's what this comes across at to me (not least of all because it tells Mtew what to do), and there's no wonder that Mtew feels that some people have more weight than he does if gets treated that way (not just by you alone, but it's your post I happen to notice it on right now, so I apologize if you feel singled out). I'm new to GWW culture, and I can't imagine that people can take a stance of "I know better than you" to give themselves more weight, or that numbers matter - is that, in fact, the case? Curious, --mendel 10:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no rationalizing with insanity. At some point the wiki as a whole just says "stop," and the person simply has to accept that he (or his particular style of contribution) is not wanted. - Auron &gt;8&lt; 10:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Karlos manouever? Sly. --mendel 12:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC) (Also, I take Auron's post to be more of a reply to the last line of [ this edit].) 12:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not claiming to be better than mtew, however his responses at the moment are not forwarding the issue at hand in anyway. If he is upset that people are questioning him on what it is he is doing, then I feel sorry for him, however those hurt feelings are not pertinent to the issue at hand. If he wishes to gain consensus in all the changes hes making to main space templates he really has to show why he wants to make them, at the moment he isn't. He's just going round in circles about how upset he is and that no one understands him. None of this is pertinent to his aims. On a wiki to a degree numbers do matter, thats what consensus is and thats an essential element of diplomacy. The wiki isnt here for each individuals users whims, its here for the documentation of the game at large, by the GW community at large. It is for everyones usage and thus it needs to a dregree to be kept simple so as to facilitate people from all levels of proficiency contrubuting to the site. Mtew's recent edits have had no reasoned basis for their addition and all they serve to do is complicate the pages. This is not mtew's Wiki, it's everyones, and mainspace articles should not be adapted to suit 1 users personal pet projects without some finite benefit being available to the wiki at large. It is this benefit I am telling Mtew to inform us about so that we can decide as a group if we want it and if he should be going ahead with it. Simply put, if even he cant see the worth of his project for the wiki and convey that to us, then no, his edits shouldn't be kept. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the reversion.
It helps keep the drains clean. mtew 04:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Drano works better. Lord Belar 06:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried that. The result was a real mess. mtew 06:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Obviously you didn't use enough. Lord Belar 06:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I used a great deal. Things got very hot. No, the mess was from the quality of the material removed. Real stinky stuff. But considering the source, the stench is understandable. mtew 07:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * *grabs popcorn* - Auron &gt;8&lt; 07:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * :D mtew 07:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

what happen
Hiya Salome, I'm sure you remember me. Well I went into the guild today and I seem to have joined one that isn't ASH. Somehow. No one I knew was in it, but they've got like 2.5 million faction. I was wondering how our guild is doing now, and if I could get an invite back. Vael Victus  22:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We didn't kick you mate, we just thought you had left, but yeh we can invite you back matey. I have to warn you though that ASH has become VERY casual, in that people arent logging on as much anymore, but you know you are always welcome in ASH. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 03:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Computer crash and guru
Heya man i just got my computer back from the shop and there is somthing i need to warn u guys about, it seems that around 2 weeks ago when my computer got several trojens the geek squad peeps tracked the one that crashed my system to www.guildwarsguru.com. I came to you first cause your a sysop and i thought that you could pass this warning on or talk to our wiki guy who is also a guru guy. I dont remeber her name. Also my sisters laptop, which is a brand spanking new dell, is notletting guru load at all, it kicks back a message that the site is not safe and is using memory in an unsafe way. It has cost me over 175 dollars to fix my system, and i would like to warn all us guru/wiki peeps to be extra cautious, and see if guru can fix the problem. I cant log into guru or i would tell them there. Im not mad everyone has comptuer problems at one time or the other, I would only want everyone to be informed. Thanks a million buddy Siadina   14:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I passed this on to slayer, but wyn would probably like to hear it as well. - Auron &gt;8&lt; 16:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up Sia. I don't use Guru at all myself as it takes too long to load, but I'll get in touch with Wyn and let her know as shes our resident guru expert. Thanks again and sorry to hear about the computer problems. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warning indeed. Staying away from guru for a while. -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png|Special:Contributions/Silverleaf]] Don't assume, Know! 17:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome guys..just spread the word and be careful. It completely bypassed my virus software and my windows defender Siadina  [[Image:User_Siadina_Siadina_Signature.png|19px]] 00:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I need the name of the virus/trojan. We have had a couple of problems, but they were both resolved quickly. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 00:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no clue but ill call the geeksquad guy back and ask him tommrow. Siadina  [[Image:User_Siadina_Siadina_Signature.png|19px]] 07:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok i asked and i reckon the geek squad guy either didnt know to report the virus or write it down..all he could tell me was it was uploaded with a popup while i was browsing guru Siadina [[Image:User_Siadina_Siadina_Signature.png|19px]] 05:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Could very well be conflicker hijacking the .XSS...or any other massive worm. Don't worry the trojan name won't be found as Geeksquad is dummer then a doorknob. Dominator Matrix  06:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well i asked if it was cornflicker since i dont have a page nor do i visit the site. They told me not cornflicker, but whatever it was was giving me a blue screen after windowx xp startup saying the rundll.23 file not found reinstall to continue....if you get that just take it and wipe the whole thing and reinstall os. *Grumbles at virus makers* Siadina [[Image:User_Siadina_Siadina_Signature.png|19px]] 20:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We have had a few instances of ads containing trojans in the past couple of months. Unfortunately, we don't control the ad content. The Staff at Guru are doing everything they can to eliminate this problem and the infected ads are usually removed within an hour. There is an ongoing discussion with the ad provider regarding this, as we hold the safety of our user's computers to be most important. Please feel free to contact me or any other Guru administrator if you ever have these kinds of issues. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 09:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

THIEF!
I stolededed a userbox from you to use on my userpage. But shhhhhh! It's a secret. >,> -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 17:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! my userboxes are your userboxes. Actually my userboxes are quite literaly other peoples userboxes. I'm a theif too but SHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ;) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Daylight savings time.
GMT does not have 'daylight savings time', but Pacific Time DOES. That is why I did NOT put in PST, PDT or a GMT time originally and added 'currently' when the GMT was added. I suggest that you may want to put 'currently' back, remove the GMT specification or go into more detail to explain when the shift occurs. mtew 18:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * GMT doesn't change ever. It always stays the same. Saying "currently" doesnt change this as it will always be 8 hours difference. The problem is arising from the usage of GMT in modern english to mean 2 different things. For the sake of clarity therefore I'm gonna change the reference to UTC standard and remove the midnight comment. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 18:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You are screwing things up. The change occurs at Midnight Pacific Time. That is Midnight PST when standard time is in effect and Midnight PDT when daylight time is in effect as it is now. In fact the change is at 7:00 GMT/UCT currently.


 * I watched the Enchanted Lodestone changeover. I verified that it had occurred shortly after 3:00 AM local time. Since my current timezone offset is -4:00, that means that it occurred before 8:00 GMT/UCT (or whatever you want to call it; there are several variants on UCT and you probably do NOT want to get into the microscopic details).


 * The original statement was accurate and would have remained accurate even when the clocks shift. The current version is just plain wrong! mtew 19:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The original text stated the reset would happen at "midnight Pacific Time"; Pacific Time is at the moment PDT (with DST) which is UTC-7. At least that is what was observed, we have no confirmation from ArenaNet on this. However as I doubt ArenaNet will change the time by one hour when DST is set off, so we can assume that the reset will always happen at 7:00 UTC. poke | talk 20:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There are typically two different ways to establish when events occur in software. One is by specifying an amount of time to elapse from another event. The other is to specify a 'wall clock' time. This kind of scheduling would be done with 'wall clock' time specifications. For 'wall clock' scheduling there are again two options. One is to use a global time specification and the other is to specify a local time. Midnight is a typical local time specification. The system software on a good server automatically tracks the shift between Standard and Daylight local times. It would take an extra effort to avoid this automatic action.


 * Poke, you are correct that it is unlikely that AreanaNet will do anything special for the clock shift, but that means that the GMT times for events will change when the local clock time changes. mtew 20:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot say how it will work in GW, however the current text is correct for some months now, so it is okay. poke | talk 21:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, it will be some time before the difference between the two statements will show up. There have been several improvements over the way I said it originally, but I do not think this is one of those. This feels a bit like someone is trolling me, but I could be wrong... mtew 22:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * To be honest mtew, when I made the change I wasn't paying attention to who made the original edit. Correcting incorrect information or awkward english is just part of normal wiki life. I'm not getting at you in particular but citing the time by UTC is better as it's constant. If the update time changes in autumn then we will adapt the UTC comment to reflect that. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 12:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The original references to 'daily' and 'Midnight Pacific Time' were not as awkward as the current phrasing in my opinion. The stuff that raised my hackles was implying that I did not know that GMT was not subject to 'Ben Franklin's Folly' and the nit-picking in GMT vs UCT, which was not the point I was trying to make. I should have caught earlier that the change-over was at 7:00, not 8:00. mtew 12:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Question
How do you do tables like what you have on your page? I really like all the tabs and such for the different sections, it's pretty cool. --Axwind 23:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey matey, it's one of those things which is much harder to explain than actually do and show you examples. In a basic form your tabs at the top are just a simple link template which has been designed to graphically look like its actually part of the page itself and one is just flicking from one page to the other, but it's actually a unique page templated in and is just a collection of links in a pretty format. As said this is one of those things which is easier to show the person than explain to the person. If you check this page: User:Salome/Templates/Navigation that will show you the actual tabs themselves and the wiki code behind them. As for adding them onto your main page well I can help with that. Actually if you want to add that kind of navigation system to your own page, I can show you how. You'll pick it up in no time, its just wiki code is the kinda thing where its easier to fiddle with it and pick it up as you go rather than try and have it explained it to you. (also im a bit shite at explaining code) So yeh if you need any wiki help at all, just shout me. :) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 01:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That'd be great, yeah. Thanks! --Axwind 04:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a wiki page that shows how to set up tabs like what you have? I see how yours works, but I would like to understand how it is set up. Also, your tabs are perfect for what I want to set up on my page.  I hope you don't mind that I used them... I will give you credit on my userpage as I finish it up. Thanks!  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  06:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Sheesh...
Coulda given me 2 minutes to do that :P It's hard with 10 IM conversations going to get all my ducks in a row in a split second! -- Wyn 01:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, sorry Hun, didn't realise it was a new page and thats what had made the tabbing go abit odd, just thought I had been a numpty and never noticed the pages before. Good work on Linsey's page by the way. I would help out more on it but I don't want to tread on your toes (like i just did) as you seem to have a good system going. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 01:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the help, I just had to tweak your nose a bit. Anytime you see something tagged on Linsey's talk page to be archived (as long as it's the proper date), or moved, or removed, please feel free to do it. Linsey and I developed the tag system so there could be more assistance in management, it doesn't have to be just me that does it, it simply allows her to indicate what should be done without having to take the time to do it all herself since her time is so crammed right now in the last few days of getting the update done. I've just been trying to keep her talk page under 200k since we all know that once the update hits, that page is going to explode. That's why I came up with the Projects page idea for her to use when she's asked the community to contribute to a pet project, which is different from users simply submitting suggestions. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 02:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats
On being recognized for your contributions to the wiki and the Guild Wars community in general. Salome [Zaishen Physician] will hopefully take good care of my animals for years to come. Ashes Of Doom  00:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye. From lawyer to physician. Backsword 01:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed congratulations Salome :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User Kakarot Sig.gif|Talk]] 01:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gratz! Does this mean we have to call you Doc now? --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 03:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * GZ ;) -- Ellisia [[Image:User_Ellisia_al_Signiature.jpg‎‎|15px|talk]] 03:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gratz Doc :D Laserblasto! 03:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 'grats indeed! When I first saw him, I was like, WOAAAAH. :O and when I saw Wynn, that was that. Vael Victus  [[Image:User_Vael_Victus_Sig.jpg|18px|Pancakes.]] 04:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Many congratulations are in order to the good doctor. :) &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  04:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!!-- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png|Special:Contributions/Silverleaf]] Don't assume, Know! 05:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I envy you, my friend. Congrats! :D --[[Image:User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png|19px]] Wandering Traveler  05:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats ^^ | Cyan Light [[Image:User-Cyan Light sig-icon.jpg|19px]] Live! | 08:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I already told you in-game, but congrats again! You deserve it! :D -- ★ KOKUOU ★ 09:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Grats Salome! - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 11:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys, thats really really nice of everyone! I have such an urge to say "The doctor is in!". That aside I am completely blown away by the NPC! I know it's all fanboi of me but I let out a shriek of delight when I saw "me the npc". A simple thank you to linsey doesn't really cover just how honored I feel by the addition. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "They call me Dr. LOOOOOVE" *superhugegrin* Congratz man! I think I need a checkup *wink* Siadina  [[Image:User_Siadina_Siadina_Signature.png|19px]] 16:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds more than vaguely kinky. Wanting to say "open up and say Arrrrrrr..." but that would be rude of me, so i'll refrain. ;) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on your NPC and welcome to the club. Not sure if the Doctor or the Poet has more luck with the girls (although I think we can both beat the pet shop summoner *grin*) Gorani 17:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

User Page
Salome - I must admit that your User Page is one of the most attractive and well put together pages I've seen on WIKI. Is there anyway I could borrow your page format and use it as a template for my user page? Given my almost non-existent programming skills there is no way I'd ever be able to put a user page together on wiki from scratch. Having a template would help alot as it would provide a basic structure that would only require simple editing in order to personalize the page. Failing that, do you know anyone who has or might be willing to create a custom user page for someone like myself? I feel really embarassed to even ask as I'm sure it took countless hours to make yours but that seems like the only way I'll ever be able to have one and still have enough spare time to actually play the game. Nibbles 02:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed! You have a User Page that's very pleasing on the eyes.  I would like to ask you how you were able to completely remove any background from your character screenshots.  Every image I import comes with the annoying default white background that I can't get rid of.  Could you teach me how to do that please? Thanks in advance.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  08:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The .png format supports alpha layers allowing transparent backgrounds. You could do it in Photoshop or The GIMP if you want free software. Misery  09:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks Misery. I have photoshop and tried doing transparent background, but hadn't tried the .png format yet.  Thank you!  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  09:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * x4 Thank you kindly for the compliments. Nibbles, please feel free to use anything you find useful from my userpage. If you need any help in putting it together, you can give me a shout and I'll gladly help. Welcome to the wiki by the way! :) Musha, I use texmod and GIMP to remove the backgrounds on my pictures. However alot of people use different approaches to get the same effect. My method is through using a mod i made I turn the background of the dye prview screen to pure white. Then i set the icons to larges and scrool out while previewing a piece of armour, so I can see my whole character. I then screencap that image. Then I open the image in gimp and crop it to the area I want. At that point im still left with a white border around my image, so i add an alpha channel to the image and use the magic wand tool to select the white space and delete it. I then save the image as a Png file as jpg's dont save transparancy. I know that a bit longwinded of an explanation, but once you're up and running it only takes about 3 minutes per image max. If you need any help on this, please just ask and I will load up the "white background mod" to the wiki somewhere. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 09:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that explanation! I don't use texmod or GIMP, but photoshop. But your explanation was sufficient enough for me to apply the same principles. :) Thank you very much! I've seen how helpful you've been with everyone on the wiki and I appreciate your help, too.  You deserve that NPC, Mr. Zaishen Physician!
 * I'm wondering if I could ask for your knowledge and aid again, however. I am very new to this and am just picking up wikicode as I go and I have become stuck with a couple things.  I am trying to set up tables on my user page.  Could you please teach me how to set margins in the table so that there is space between the text and the left and right sides of the table?  Also, I have uploaded some images of my chars to my user page and would like to change the color of the background of the table to which they are posted, but when I do, there is always a white border around the images and the text.  Could you please show me how to fix this?  Thank you!!  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  09:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also new and just stumbled across your user page, amazing! I would like to model my page after yours as well if you don't mind ^_^" --[[Image:User Wizard Bihuq sig.jpg|link=User:Wizard Bihuq]] Wizard Bihuq 16:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Salome :))))))))) Nibbles 00:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not getting back in touch sooner. Been a tad busy with cases. In response to the people above:
 * @Nibbles, you are more than welcome!
 * @Wizard, please feel free to use anything from my page which you find helpful in structuring your own.
 * @Musha, if you show me the code you have made, I can have a wee tinker with it and show you what I come up with. I'm quite profficient with wiki code these days but I still find it easier to actually play with the code in front of me and getting it to do what I want that way. If however you would rather just have an answer for your question, I'll go ask Poke for you, as his knowledge of the wiki and its code is almost unrivaled. Sorry I couldn't be more help in this instance.
 * Again thank you all for the compliments and well wishes, it's very much appreciated. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 11:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please tinker away! Any help is much appreciated.  The code is simply on my user page.  If it would be more convenient for you to have me copy and paste the code to somewhere else, I would be more than willing to do so, as you are so kindly offering your help.  Thank you!  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  17:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

We are both ENTP
That must be why we are such good friends ^_______^ Misery  12:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. Undoubtedly so. ^_^ -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 11:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks 4 your help! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kagomesheartx1991 (talk &bull; contribs) at 10:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC).

Image revert gone wrong lol
I dont know if you saw my userpage after the template issue thingy but you sure notist the image revert so i'll repost my thread here if you dont mind =] As I was checking some weapon galleries and one of the weapons was showing very wierd on my pc. I looked at the versions of the images submitted for that weapon and Silverleaf's version was really stretched up (I can show you a pic of how it was looking). So in my ignorance I reverted the image back to its previous version. But after I did that Silverleaf's image was something completely different. And it was actually a good picture. So can you look at both versions and decide which one should remain be displayed for that weapon? Sorry about all that trouble =P  How the image was showing up --Johnnyrodrigues 15:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL it happens to us all mate. Its the image caching on this wiki. It's buggered and doesn't work properly so sometimes it stretches a previous image to the current images proportions. We just have to wait for the cache to update. The wee thumbnail of silverleafs pic which you saw is what the big pic will eventually turn into once the cache updates. If it doesn't do it in 24 hours I'll re-upload the picture afresh. Hate this bug though as it leads to so much confusion across the wiki. I know you were being helpful though mate and thank you for that, it is appreciated. It's just inherent wiki bugs working against us in this instance. :) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured as much but because the submission date was like 3 days ago I started wondering if it was really a cache problem or the image was really like that xD Again, I'm so sorry for the trouble and thanks for the help :] No hard feelings Silverleaf =P --Johnnyrodrigues 16:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

hi salome
can you do me a favor and redirect this convo link to joe kimmes' page? it's more of a coding issue so i think it should go to him, i just don't know how to do it. thanks! -- adrin  21:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * nevermind, linsey took care of it. thx anyway -- adrin [[Image:User_adrin_ecto_sig.png]] 22:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

removing whitespace from icons
we have the 64x64px format on every single inventory icon independant from the amount of whitespace. &mdash;Zerpha The Improver 12:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * As it was a somewhat inordinate amount of white space on that icon causing odd formatting placement when used in other mediums. None of the other icons seem to have as big an issue with redundant white space as this one did, although I may be wrong about that. Also the reason we have the 64X64 medium is because thats what the set size of ones inventory boxes are and thus all inventory icons are saved to this size and thus the .dat file and texmod displays all these images in this sizing regardless of how much of that space is actually used. Also the image policy has no requirement upon the dimensions of an image, but it does however state that one should "Crop the image to eliminate unecessary space and focus on the image subject". However if you would prefer that I revert it, for uniformities sake, I can do so. I really don't mind either way, its just the white space was causing positioning problems of that image on other pages. EDIT also just to highlight that we do not have 64x64 on every inventory icon, in fact none of the common crafting material icons are in that format and those are just the first ones I've checked. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * afaik inventory icons are meant to be extracted from the dat and left as is. - B ex [[Image:User BeXoR sig.gif]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that's the case Bex and by that I mean I really don't know. I went through the image and icon policies before making the change as I wanted to make sure I wasn't messing anything up beforehand and I couldn't find anything which stated one needed to source the icon from the dat file or that if done so, one needed to keep the icon that size regardless of dead space. If however that is the case, then I'll start going through the old icons which weren't sourced from the dat file and uploading the dat versions. As none of the crafting material, either rare or common, conforms to the 64x64 dat standard. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Imo, making all icons 64x64 is better than having different sizes, if only for template standardization and ease of use. It does of course include a lot of whitespace, but it's a lot easier to edit stuff if you -know- all icons will be 64x64. So this is just from my lazy coding point of view :P - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 14:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. Personally I like square icon sizes, as I think they are the easiest to work with from a lazy coder viewpoint. but unequal whitespace kinda irks me as I find i have to mess about with the image to get it positioned centrally where i want it to be. -- -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 14:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It was unequal too? o.O I thought it at least was centered in the 64x64 square! Bleh >< - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 16:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, indeed. The image sat in the bottom left hand corner of the 64x64 space. The white space was mainly on the top and right hand side of the image. I wouldn't have cropped it if it had of been centered with equal whitespace all around it.:) -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * *sneaks in* If you changed it because it's going to be used on the main page, we need to make a seperate, protected image for that anyway, so you might aswell restore 64x64. If not, ignore me. :D *sneaks out* &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 18:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * *sigh* I understand why now. Bleh I say! - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 20:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why I will admit your page brought my attention to the image, but I had already noticed people having some issues due to the white space of the image. It's also an image which is used an awful lot due to it being a star and people just seem to like that graphic, but in accordance with Anja, unequal whitespace = bleh! -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 20:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How about we manually center it in a 64x64 square for consistency's sake? Bad idea? &mdash; Why [[Image:User Why s.png|User talk:Why Are We Fighting]] 21:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not actually sure why it matters. The 64x64 format doesn't add anything to the page really, just means all the images are roughly the same size. However with dead white space it doesn't really mean that as it just means alot of the images have inherent dead space in it which looks a bit fugly, but that's just my oppinon. As I said my change was just a subjective formatting thing, in trying to aid others who use the image on their page. If their is a consensus against the change, please feel free to revert, i honestly dont mind. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally I would prefer keeping inventory icons the original size and format. That way we retain information about the actual size in the inventory that the item has in-game. For making the main page prettier because of less whitespace I think a separate image would be better.. poke | talk 19:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not disagreeing with you at all poke, just wondering as to why that's helpful for us to keep information on the size of the image in the invent, when the pages force a standard image size anyway? Again not arguing, just curious as you understand this stuff better than i do. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 20:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Revert?
Mandragor Root Undo revision 1474304 by Chrono007 (Talk)

Any particular reason? I think this kind of thing looks ugly :/

http://topolla.net/images/gww.jpg -- Chrono  (talk)  16:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How about this? -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 16:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked at the &lt;gallery&gt; too when looking at options for changing the page... either option looks good to me, I just didn't see any reason for a revert <___< -- Chrono  (talk) [[Image:User Chrono007 sig.png| ]] 16:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The gallery is a valid option. However firstly the way you put the images wasn't following standard formatting of articles and secondly it was fugly. ;) Thus the revert. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 16:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks y'all for working something out though. I swear, whenever I try to float extra images in an article something looks wrong :P. --Star Weaver 17:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Z-zoo
what do you think of changing the information to be more general and have the majority of the info about the z-zoo on the z-zoo grownds page? that to me seems like the best place for it. -- Zesbeer 10:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Z-zoo info that we have on the animal companion page is correct as it stands. The only problem area we have at the mo is evolution and how it works and its relative damage scales. That information however is directly related to the animal companions themselves and is only incidental to the Z-zoo article, because it can spawn those evolutions if asked to. Therefore I think the evolution information has to be on the animal companion page as its the most relevant page to have it on. I'm going to spend some time tonight trying to see if i can work out damage scales and the like by scrimming my 2nd account. I couldn't do any work on the moss spider today though as I dont have one yet, but I'll get one soon. By the way even though I disagree with you on some of the article content and formatting, please know that I do appreciate the work you are putting into this project. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 10:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * eh you see to have liked some of the work that i did ^_^, i have a moss spider if you want me to hop on real quick i can.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 10:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's alright matey. I'm having to go to the shops at the mo and to verify damage type at least, one needs to use a second account using armours that have defences or vulnerabilities against piercing/slashing so as to see which inflicts most damage where. I'm guessing the moss spider will be piercing damage like the black widow but unfortunately i can't verify that at the moment. However I should be on tonight so maybe we can verify it then? -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 10:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * yea when is tonight for you? because its 3 am here... --[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 10:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * HATE time zones! It's 11:30am here as im in GMT+1 (BST). So I'm assuming you are on PDT. I will be onfrom about 3pm til about 1am - 2am my time, which therefore means about 7am til about 5pm - 6pm your time I think. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 10:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * eh i just added you to my friends list ill be up again in about 8 hours.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|Talk Page‎]] Zesbeer 10:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool see you then, sleep well. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 10:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Hall of monuments.
hey what do you think of my changes to the hall of monuments page here? -- Zesbeer 04:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * eh i put in place a wile ago....--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 08:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about not responding earlier, your changes to the article are good and I like them. Can't really add anything to that, asI agree with the changes you've made to that article. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 13:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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wins so much. Thank you <3 -- Armond Warblade 15:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)