Talk:Main Page/editcopy/Archive 4

Show differences with Main Page
Maybe it's only happening to me but the link that appears at the top of the edit copy doesn't seem to be working properly anymore. Both pages it's comparing is the Edit copy and even appear to be the same version as it's not showing any difference. Maybe something to do with the recent MediaWiki version upgrade since I'm sure it was working before that. -- Kakarot  17:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not just you, the template isn't working as it should and it is a known bug apparently. It is also posted at Guild Wars Wiki:Reporting wiki bugs. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 18:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely forgot to check Reporting wiki bugs to check if it had already been reported, thanks Anja. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 18:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a bug in the MediaWiki software that overwrites the title variable when there is oldid used. By this it is not possible to compare a page with the current revision of another one without knowing the revision id - which cannot be read out dynamically. poke | talk 18:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow
my suggestion was to make the question thing clearer, u guys actually fixed it, cos ask for an account, is very inclear, its like saying you have to ask wiki for a wiki accountShadowshock 03:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  16:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

ok, i changed to ask for an account, game or wiki, questions to ask and account, game, or wiki question cant believe u guys finally fixed that, u guys had me annoyed by it Shadowshock
 * He meant this edit Eloc. He signs with a different name than his username. I believe he's saying that he's glad we updated the main page with his edit. Shadowshock, you might find Help:Signatures to be useful. And just fyi, signing your comments using a name that's totally different from your username is not a good idea. It's confusing. -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png| ]] 03:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

yeah probly should chnage that back, to lazy though Shadowshock

Hall of heros timer
i think it would be a nice addition if there was a halls timer on the main page of the wiki 75.165.96.67 06:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea, but would require additional technology. Atm, the most we could do is a one-time readout where you'd have to spam refresh if you wanted to keep updated. Anyone know what we'd have to implement to get one like GWshack has? - Auron 06:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * JavaScript's already supported, so beyond that you'd just need something server-side that provided the sync time. (You can take a look at the base code for how GWShack does it in http://gwshack.us/gwshack.js but you won't see any of the server-side stuff that's handled once the JavaScript calls rpc_send). [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 07:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's probably only a static time that is used to calculate all coming HoH wins. But I wonder if it is really possible to calculate the HoH time like that. poke | talk 08:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is. Even if a team wins early (due to being ahead in points or other team resigning), they wait the additional time before the next match begins. Regardless of how fast the "Blah Blah's team has won a battle" message pops up, the battles only start every 12 minutes. - Auron 09:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

well couldn't some one from Anet just plop something up there it seems like they would have that info. and would be able to put something like this up.75.165.96.47 20:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can ask them, but chances are they have other things to which they are devoting their development time. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Updates image change
As it's been a week since I made the change, I want to make sure no one is opposed to my change to this image? -- Kakarot  22:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * just go for it :) poke | talk 08:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, now to wait for the image cache to catch up :) -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

where did they go?
why were the links to the sugestion pages removed?75.165.102.213 22:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They can all be found on the ArenaNet:Portal, which is also linked on the main page. It leaves space for other links that may need to be placed in future, and also will let users travel further into ArenaNet feedback via the ArenaNet portal, rather than just on the Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2 suggestions pages. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|]] Brains12 \ talk 22:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * it might be a good idea to add a bit of a subtext to the link for the anet portal saying something like "a place were anet gets feed back" or something i really dont think people will know that there is a difference between the anet link and the portal link. i also think it makes it harder for people to find.75.165.102.213 22:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that! :) poke | talk 22:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea; it will also take up some of the blank space that's currently there. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|16px|]] Brains12 \ talk 22:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * done didn't want it to be bold...... 75.165.102.213 22:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I modified the link text itself to "ArenaNet interaction portal" instead. How's that? [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * looks perfect.75.165.102.213 01:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Avoid Scams
Avoid scams should be added to the Game Basics section instead of the gears and equipment section? It seems like it fits better there since it gives no information about gears and equipment?--Yankeefan984 17:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think (don't know for sure, I didn't make the decision) the rationale was that the only thing you're trading is gear and equipment, and thus the Trading link went there, and the Avoid Scams link naturally paired with the Trading link. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 18:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Titles Link
I'm not sure, but doesn't "Titles" go with characters since you get titlers for characters? --U T O P I A N 23:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

PDT Clock for the Wiki
Something I wish was implemented somewhere in the GW world long ago is a clock with PDT time (the time all the GW announcements run by). It would be really cool if the wiki had a PDT timer running somewhere the visitors can check and see what time it is especially for Festival Events like the dragon festival, to know when missions take place or when the Emperor's Next/First visit will be. I know players can just check another website but if it were possible to do somewhere on the wiki, maybe the fesitval pages that would be awesome. 122.104.167.139 05:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As we always try to list both, PDT and UTC I don't see a need for that.. poke | talk 13:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, considering we don't technically have a UTC clock anywhere either, poke... ;) RC timestamps are localized; the only timestamps that are actually UTC are those in signatures. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There's now a clock that displays the current UTC time in the upper right-hand corner of the page (by the login/logout links). If you don't see it, try pressing Ctrl+F5 to hard-refresh the page. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 16:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I honestly didn't expect that to be done, let alone so quick. I love the clock and think it's a valuable addition to the wiki however I do wish it were PDT as the GW website seems to base things around PDT. I also wish it wasn't in 24 hour time for simplicity sake but I'm not the one coding it. Thanks. 122.104.167.139 16:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 24-hour time is a lot easier to do, and a lot of us prefer 24-hour time over the AM/PM junk. Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 16:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You can register an account and set the timer to display whatever timezone you want. See this page for instructions. Also I think with this clock we can focus on displaying only UTC times in future. poke | talk 21:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Monobook editing isn't really user friendly... can't we get a setting in preferences? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 21:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Short answer: No ;) Long answer: Settings in preferences require direct changes in the files on the server, as we don't have direct access to the server, we would have to develop some extension-like thing first and then ask ANet to install it. It is a lot easier to do it like this and can be easier changed in future. Also it is only one line, and I think we can expect that wiki users are able to edit a page :D poke | talk 21:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * GOOD ADDITION GUYS, now for a HA timer on the site.75.172.47.75 21:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait how do you edit a page Poke -- Kakarot  [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 22:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My clock isn't working. It's like "NaN:NaN:NaN (UTC+undefined)" :S &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  03:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Right now it says 05:49:58 (UTC). I live in GMT +1. It's exactly 2 hours later. (That means 07:49:58.) [[Image:User Horsedrowner avatar.jpg|19px| ]] horsedrowner  05:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a thing called Daylight Savings Time. Central Europe is now in GMT+2. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 06:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * UTC doesn't change with daylight savings, so as Poki said, the timezones are off by one more hour during the summer. [[Image:User Aiiane-a.gif|Go to Aiiane's Talk page]] (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 06:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Something in your monobook Eloc. Dominator  Matrix  06:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "I think with this clock we can focus on displaying only UTC times in future." Poke, if by this you mean we should only create event time tables etc in UTC, I will have to argue against that anytime the subject comes up. Especially if this clock is alterable by each and every user through their monobook, thus making it just a duplicate of the system tray clock we all have on our computers, and defeating the purpose of having a UTC clock here in the first place. While this addition makes it somewhat easier, I think that maintaining documentation that matches the website is still a must. Anet has determined to designate Pacific time as their standard, and regardless of what others may feel is a more globally appropriate time setting, it is not going to be changed. Listing things differently than they appear on the website and login screen announcements will only lead to confusion. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 07:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Into confusion? The tendency to have times details presented in a regional time zone observed by a 1/48th segment of the planet is already confused to the point of uselessness. I'll always vote in favour of any move towards using the global reference point. -- WarBlade 14:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is that we should provide info as Anet presented it also. Both "global" and PDT, not exclude one of them. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 14:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Eloc, it should be working now.
 * Wyn, no I not meant that we keep of PST/PDT completely, but we already had a discussion this time if we even should list UTC times. And I think by having a clock which is displayed to every anonymous user (which includes very many visitors especially when there are events) as an UTC clock, and to all registered users that did not change the clock is a good enough argument to always list UTC times as the primary time now. poke | talk 14:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with displaying both, never have.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wynthyst 15:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

 I would like to restart the discussion on whether the clock should be in PDT or stay the current UTC. I would prefer a PDT clock as that is the time zone that Arena Net sets all their announcements and events to. It removes the requirement for players to do any time zone conversions at all when figuring out when a weekend event goes live or when the next hat give away is. I see no benefit to keeping it UTC and a negative in it's not in sync with Arena Net announcements. I understand I'm not the one who will "program" the code and I don't even know if PDT could be done. What do others think about syncing it with Arena Net's PDT? 122.104.165.13 14:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * UTC is a accepted world-standard for the time, everybody who is a bit interested in the timezone thing does know about UTC/GMT. The wiki servers are UTC as well, so a UTC-timer helps to realize when for example a comment was added or the next election phase starts. The announcements ANet makes are done in very many timezones, depending on what official website you look at. The American website of course lists an American timezone but as we want to address any Guild Wars players with the wiki, it is much better to use a global known timezone for that, especially as we agreed on listing the UTC times always.
 * However if you really want to change the timer, then register an account and change the timezone for yourself. poke | talk 14:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Most people aren't interested in the time zone thing. My point is people want a simple way to see the time as it is relevant to events in Guild Wars. The message in the log in screen gives times in PDT and nothing else but it does tell you how to convert it from GMT which most people wouldn't know is UTC, at least where I come from no-one says UTC. Announcement from www.guildwars.com are also in PDT with reference to PDT. It seems most logical to continue this trend on the official wiki and put the wiki clock to PDT like the rest of the Guild Wars announcements. As it is, the current clock doesn't sync up with the announcements both in game and the guildwars.com page. Seeing as all players see the announcement at the player log in screen regardless of which time zone they live in wouldn't it make most sense to sync the wiki time clock to the same time zone those announcements are in? The point of the clock is to make coordinating event times with the clock easier for wiki users. Having the clock in the same time as the official announcements and the majority of the event information makes this easier. I personally found having two time zones on the Dragon Festival mission times very confusing with the UTC being used as well as PDT. It was more natural to think of it beginning at midnight PDT which it always does instead of whatever time/day that was in UTC. If you look through most of the event articles on this wiki whenever times are listed, they are listed in PDT, because that is the time they are given to us from Arena Net, often in the log in page announcement. In most cases, UTC was not included and never did I see only UTC listed and PDT not listed. I don't live in America, where I come from PDT midnight is 6pm, I would just find it a lot easier if the wiki clock was in sync with the Guild Wars announcements instead of some less appropriate time zone, otherwise it defeats the purpose of an official wiki clock. 122.104.165.13 17:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If a PDT clock was limited to the Main Page only, I wouldn't mind. However, it shouldn't be on every page (as the UTC one is). On the wiki (and the world), UTC is more appropriate and relevant. I only have my clock set to PDT so I can see when various American friends would be on -- however, I wouldn't want it to be like that for everyone on the wiki: UTC is more relevant on a wiki where UTC is the server time. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 17:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also UTC is more relevant on a wiki that is used by people from all over the world where the chance is very high, that they do not know about PST (and PDT; there would also be a problem with Daylight Saving Time, which is avoided with UTC). poke | talk 17:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to make a template to add to each event page that shows a PST/PDT clock instead? Or would it need purging all the time to update properly? - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]] 17:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, when using things like " PDT", the value will be cached. But again, I don't see a need for other clocks, when we list UTC times on pages, which we already agreed on. poke | talk 17:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why does anyone need to know when UTC is? The only times given to us by arena net are in PDT not UTC so there is no need for anyone to know UTC time. Most people who play Guild Wars have heard of PDT - it's the time all the in game announcements are given in. Wiki server time is irrelevent to the target audience of the wiki - the Guild Wars players. Scenario A: A player is in Guild Wars during Halloween. They ask probably the most frequently asked question in the history of Guild Wars - when do I get my hat. They hit f10 search for halloween and find the table with the times listed in PDT and look up at the PDT clock and know exactly when the hats are given out. Scenario B: A player sees a log in announcement about the upcoming Special Treats Weekend. They know the PDT start and end times. They search for the event on the wiki for more information and find the page we have on it with the times listed in PDT. They can easily look up and see without having to do any calculations when the event starts and when to stop farming pre-searing for alcohol cause the special treats no-longer drop there. The average Guild Wars user does not have an account to change the wiki clock nor do they likely have the knowledge to do so but they are given times in PDT. The average wiki editor who would care about server time likely has an account and thus is able to change the clock to UTC if they so wish and are probably more likely to be able to as well. As it is the clock doesn't help people co-ordinate time with in game events because it is in a different format from the one we are given them in. 122.104.165.13 17:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If the times on the event page are listed in UTC, and the start/end times are also listed in UTC, we get the same effect; we also get the additional advantage of having a world-standard time, both helping Guild Wars players and wiki users. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 17:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But they aren't. The consistent standard on the wiki is to copy paste the announcement as is from the Guild Wars website or transcribe the announcement from the log in screen - look at every event time on the wiki, they are all given in PDT, only for SOME of the 4 annual festivals did people bother to convert from PDT to UTC. For smaller events like simple bonus weekends we only list PDT. The realitY is you can't change the log in screen announcement from PDT to UTC so it is simpler to change the wiki to match the time from most players only source of the event in the first place. Giving times in more than one standard is just confusing. 122.104.165.13 17:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Also why do you think, that GW players know about PST/PDT? Not every GW player is from America. Ask around in Europe and you'll find out that most people do not know about PST/PDT. Why? Because the European Website lists UTC times. Localized pages like the German, Chinese or Japanese even list the localized time there. Just because the American website lists an American time, it doesn't mean that all people who look on one of the official websites, they automatically see PDT times only.
 * People are asking when they get a hat, because they simply do not look on any page. The other most heared question when there is an event is something like "What do I need to get a hat?" and "Where is the emperor?" - if they would look on any GW-related website they would know that within some seconds, but they simply don't.
 * And again, when they hit F10 and search for it, they see also UTC times and a UTC timer at the top, so that is not an argument. And the average wiki user sees UTC times in comments, and is most probably unrelated to PST/PDT, because that is also just one timezone from many available timezones in America while UTC is the one and only world standard time. poke | talk 18:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No matter where they live all players log in through the log in page, which lists all events in PDT. I know this cause I don't live in America and play on European servers and my times are in PDT. I never go to the Guild Wars website because announcements are made in game. European players don't need to know what PDT is but they are given the PDT times in the announcements at the log-in screen not any websites. A world standard does not matter if the events run on a PDT time instead of a UTC time - clearly they don't care what the "world standard" is, it's not about who's time is more important or what is the most unbiased time to use but what time most people have in their head when thinking about a Guild Wars event. I'd wager it's the time they were given from the in game announcement. 122.104.165.13 18:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just change your language and check the login messages again. That's all I'll say this time because I don't like to repeat myself again and again. poke | talk 18:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a UTC clock up above. The event pages, now that we have a UTC clock, will include UTC start/end times and UTC timetables. That, I can assure you, is fact. Seeing as that is inevitably true, one can see said UTC timetable and one can see the UTC clock, thus know how long they have until event X or whatever. What happened previously is irrelevant because we have not had the clock before; however, now that we do, event pages will include UTC timetables. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 18:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Change my language from English, the primary language spoken in New Zealand, America (home of GW and more players than other countries), the UK, Australia, Canada etc etc and secondary language in many countires where English isn't their first language. If you are going to stick with UTC you should also note that weekend events are also given in PDT and listed on the wiki Weekend events in PDT. These are just transcripts from the log in screen and most weekends are just the three days at the same times however some weekends have been extended in the past and some weekends are a little more prominant than others so listing the UTC times there would also be logical. Also dates will now be off if you are using UTC so you will need to include a note to explain that.EDIT: Perhaps change the time from UTC to GMT to sync it with the information on the pages while maintaining the same times? 122.104.165.13 18:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If we're going to have a single clock, I strongly prefer a UTC (or, better yet, UTC by default with the option of changing the timezone in preferences), as it would be impractical to convert existing signature timestamps to some other time zone, and every major OS includes a taskbar clock, which is typically set to local time. -- Gordon Ecker 03:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know if you've missed it Gordon, but the clock has been there now for some time next to your user name at the top of the page. It IS UTC by default but can be changed by individual users through their monobook.--[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 04:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) ...Damn thing wouldn't load/reload. Anyway back to what I've been trying to save for the past 10+ minutes personally I prefer having the clock in UTC, typically during events if I want to check the time of the event I usually check the respective article and as I understand it we are now going to list the times in UTC on articles that should solve the issue in regards to people checking event times. On to the issue with weekend events, as they typically start and finish at the same time maybe we could add a sentence at the top of Weekend events mentioning the start and end times in UTC. One last issue that UTC has over PDT/PST is that it isn't affected by daylight savings changes so would never need to be modified. Secondly although personally I don't see a reason for the time to be changeable; this is partly because most of the people I have seen change it seem to set it to their own timezone regardless of the fact that there is already a clock on the task bar on every Windows based system; the method we have now using the monobook.js is preferable for simplicity sake over an option in preferences. Even though an option in preferences would be easier for people newer to the wiki or even to wikis in general, as Poke mentioned above "Settings in preferences require direct changes in the files on the server, as we don't have direct access to the server, we would have to develop some extension-like thing first and then ask ANet to install it." it would most likely require the creation and installation of an extension-like thing. One possible compromise would be to include both a UTC and a PDT clock where we presently have the clock although having already tested this option in my own monobook.js; through preview only; it would add yet another item to the personal toolbar which could affect people on lower resolutions and seemed to cause issues with the seconds (something I did manage to fix) although that may of just been because of the somewhat lazy method I used to test the additional clock. Another alternative would be to provide a setting so people could choose between either a UTC or a PDT clock although that option is maded more or less redundant with how the present code allows customization of the timezone. -- Kakarot  04:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed the clock, but the time zone can't be changed by editing preferences, only by editing monobook. -- Gordon Ecker 06:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We should just ask Anet if they'd be willing to base times on UTC... So, for example, event starts at 2000 UTC on Friday the blah blah blah... Calor  [[Image:User_Calor_Sig.png|19px|Talk]] 16:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Skills split into PvE and PvP versions
The "Skills split into PvE and PvP versions" is a nice table but why is it listed under the "News" section? If anything, shouldn't it be listed under "Characters" in the "Game basics" section? Luke1138 23:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is listed there because it was introduced not that long ago. We basically list new things there. poke | talk 23:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I originally thought but June 10 was over 2 months ago :-) Luke1138 23:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked that link though :( &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:User_Poki_Signature.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]] 00:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Holidays are coming fast
Is it time to start thinking of decorating for the holidays? Halloween is only a month away. -- Wyn 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * is here for when we need it. calor   (talk)  19:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What about changing the css files temporary so the whole wiki gets a full halloween feeling? poke | talk 20:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd rather we didn't... Doing the Main Page is alright, because it doesn't mess with actually using the wiki -- you might be surprised how changing a few colours in the skin can affect your navigation skills :P. I'd prefer keeping the usual skin colours, and just changing the Main Page if necessary. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 20:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * @Calor, I don't like reusing old stuff... we should do it new :P --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 20:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Unless it's a very simple change, and one that doesn't change too much... willing to see how it looks, of course. Could probably test it on GW2W, it doesn't get enough traffic for testing to disrupt anything there :P --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 20:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we could test with other css files and simply place an include for the holiday season to overwrite the other settings. By that it would be easy to test before actually making it visible for the rest. poke | talk 20:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Poke's idea... but I would be happy with ust decorating the main page if we must ^^ -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 21:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather do some big edits to the main page than editing css. Having it on one page is fine, but pushing it on everyone is to much. --Xeeron 21:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * thats nice and all, but maybe you should change the 6 icons as well :D 21:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The icons were changed, but it wouldn't appear that way in the linked revision; the images were uploaded over the the usual icons, so they're in their respective image histories rather than the Main Page history. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 21:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's my idea User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/Halloween --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that design Wyn. --[[Image:User PoA Sig.png|Talk]] Antioch 23:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Wyn's design! -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 05:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mad King looks awesome there. --Xeeron 14:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool page Wyn. I like the 3 mad kings but maybe just one one would look better, with other icons too. Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 15:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I also liked the darker orange ;) Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 16:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

what's up with people? you're decorating for halloween already, around here irl stores are selling almond biscuits and other stuff for christmas and my class mates are singing "should old aquaintance" all the time o.O - Y0_ ich_halt  16:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not long until Easter now Y0, are you ready? :) Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 16:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ye, since yesterday i've got one day closer to my birthday ^-^ - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.png|18px]] 16:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Halloween is only 29 days away... my halloween user page went live at 11:55pm EST last night. I don't see why you guys don't want to have the halloween page up during the entire month... (and I like the darker orange better as well Wyn) -- Shadowphoenix [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px|Please, talk to me; I'm so lonely ;-;]] 16:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * i just can't stand this holiday rushing :P everyone goes "ooh, it'll be xyz soon, i gotta prepare! hoo, hoo, hurry!" and it's ugly imo :rolleyes: - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.png|18px]] 16:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * the gayness i mean. - Y0_ ich_halt  [[Image:User Y0_ich_halt sig.png|18px]] 16:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I think we should use Wyn's design :P Changing the main page is fine - editing CSS files and changing skins would just annoy people. How long should the main page be decorated for? Same as in-game Hallowe'en? Or should we use our own time frame? --  Indochine  talk 16:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All I did was change my navbar up. That's about as fancy as I'm able to get.-  Vanguard [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]] 19:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. I now have an annoying large-coded sig for the theme!-  V a  n  g  u  a  r  d [[Image:User-VanguardAvatar.PNG]]19:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No reason to deviate from the ingame timeframe imo. --Xeeron 19:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A week at the most. Whatever Anet does, and throw a day or two on the front end if you want. It isn't very aesthetically pleasing. calor   (talk)  20:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Halloween is like my favorite holiday, I'm not saying the main page has to go LIVE today or anything, I just wanted to get some ideas out there. I also like the darker orange, but was told it was 'too strong'. As for my page, I couldn't let SP have all the glory, since MY halloween page was actually done before hers was :P --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 20:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I started planning mine a long time ago so... neener neener! :P (I still beat you to the chase of the userpage race, ha!) -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 20:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And back on topic... Implement it Friday the 24th? For those that live in a cave and/or under a rock, Halloween is Friday the 31st. calor   (talk)  23:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was December 25th... --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 23:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do the little smurfs trick-or-treat in England, too, or is that another example of American general bizarreness? calor   (talk)  23:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I made this image. Is there anyway we could put that, or something similar to that, up along with the main page change. I think it would be a nice touch :D -- Shadowphoenix   01:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, that's cool SP. I'm not sure if how that image is changed though. Can a sysop do it, or will we have to ask Emily to get it done. I think we should definitely use that. :) Biscuits [[Image:User Biscuits sig.png]] 08:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya'll got me in the spirit of things :). -- S ilverleaf   [[Image:User Silverleaf sig.png]]Don't assume, ask! 11:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The logo is part of the server config of the wiki software, it would be up to Emily/Tech's to change it. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 11:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Wyn's design, and the darker orange is more Halloweeny. Would people want logo modifications similar to the ones I made for Wintersday Halloweenized? If so any suggestions you have can be posted on my talk page. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That is a good suggestion Kakarot, it'd be nice to have customized logos. --Xeeron 13:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the customised logo too, you would see that on every page, but it wouldn't impact navigation or anything else. We could also make Pokes wiki clock orange or something too perhaps ;) -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 14:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is the logo with a transparent background and a few other minor tweaks I made. -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 17:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I blame corporal advertising for this... Nice pic tho :) (Terra Xin 00:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Ok uploaded my logos at User:Kakarot/Modified Logos for viewing, any comments can be left either here or on the talk page under the Halloween logos header. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 19:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've already added them to my Halloween page noted above, and went back to the darker orange. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 07:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that, looks good :) Only problem is the Factions one keeps reverting to the original look and neither clearing my cache nor purging seems to fix it. And yet it worked, then didn't, then did, and now doesn't again... I could delete the original revision but I'd prefer to keep it so people can see it still see it, that is unless people prefer the new one which I know that some people already told me they do. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ... and now it does work. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 13:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They look great Kakarot! -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 23:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The decorations are going up in game on the 23rd (as per http://www.guildwars.com/events/ingame/halloween2008/ ), I would like to suggest we 'decorate' at the same time. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 18:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. calor   (talk)  19:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to revisit something - the colour. This orange makes it so much easier to read, and is still "Halloweeny". I find the darkorange quite strong (due to the fact we have bright white backgrounds and blue links) and I think it takes away some of the readability of the headings, which isn't all too good for a main page. The lighter orange is a little kinder on the eyes. -- Brains12 \ talk 17:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we use different Mad King poses, the scare one appears twice, once in one of the logos, and once in the navigation table. Would be better to mix it up. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 21:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the darker orange Pling, it looks better imo and it does not come off as too strong when I look at it -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 04:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh... Kakarot ruined my hidden meaning :P There really aren't others that work very well... --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 06:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that Wyn, although I had already decided to use and cut out the Mad King scare pose prior to seeing your page. As to using the two images I don't see it as a major problem. I do however have an alternate image selected to replace the one in my Eye of the North logo, I just need to cut it out ... -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 12:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can say that now Kakarot... but mine was posted first :P (doesn't anyone see the irony? scare=pve, taunt=pvp, dance=wiki?) --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 17:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Are we going to reupload the images over the current image files, or just replace them with the new image files (and obviously protect them; perhaps by using the cascade feature)? -- Brains12 \ talk 17:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would re-upload them then revert them back after halloween. That way they redirect to the correct pages.  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 17:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They should be reuploaded with Halloween names... the ones that are there are used on wayyyyy too many pages to change them. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 17:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True.... -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 17:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Even though it's already been said I'd say reupload the normal images. As to the Guild Wars logos (the ones I made) just do what was done last time (Wintersday), protect the images and replace the ones on the main page as SP did on the editcopy. -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 18:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

add a link to the user licence agereement
i think it would be good to have a wiki version and have a link to it. on the main page i don't know where on the main page i just think it should be linked so its easily viewed.75.165.117.51 18:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a link on the EULA page, but I don't think it's necessary to put it on the main page. For one thing, it's better to go to the official website to read the agreement as the wiki version may not always be updated. Secondly, it's not an every-day part of the game and doesn't really need a place on the main page.--[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 18:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Installation Help?
I added Installation to running the game, because i know that the gws setup on the CD can glich (like mine did when i started GWs). ╙─ ╠Dogzrdogz ╣ talk
 * It's a real shame Installation = non-existent. calor   (talk)  20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Could make the page perhaps and add a link to users who are using mac or linux to this or this -- Ψ ձ  ㄅ [[Image:User Wings of Blood sig icon.png|19px]] 22:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Running the game already does that. I'm sure more information on installation could be put on that page as well. -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 22:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone ever seen the cool header bars..
...on the French wikipedia we should so do something like that for ours! :D -- Lemming 21:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Explain please, what exactly? -- Ψ <font color="#660000">ձ  ㄅ [[Image:User Wings of Blood sig icon.png|19px]] 22:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They have nice images on the right hand side within them. They do the same thing on the headers of infoboxes to indicate what kind of infobox it is. -- Lemming [[Image:User Lemming64 sigicon.png]] 22:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to current version?
Any objections to changing it to the current version? At least the PvP as the pirate flag from Lions Arch. &mdash; Seru    Talk 04:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Seru, you've had an 3 weeks to propose something different. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 04:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just pulled these from in game today with the update. &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig5.png|19px]] Talk 04:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But the discussion got started a while ago (like 3.5 weeks ago). And if you wanted fewer of the Mad Kings, you should have mentioned it then. I'm sure we could have come up with something where it would be a closer fit to what you want. --JonTheMon 04:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * * sigh* ok then. . . &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig5.png|19px]] Talk 04:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The pirate flag on the editcopy is too large btw - looks bad. Personally I prefer the 3 different MKTs. – josəph  15:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Ooze
I preferred the destroyer. :p Biscuits 12:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that icon and the Phoenix one need a change :\ &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 00:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wintersday approaching
So, we have a couple of weeks to plan for the Main page and w/e just wanted to go ahead and see if we could collect some ideas on what we will do to the mainpage for wintersday this year. Also, I would like to propose changing the logo again for Wintersday. Here is my winterday logo, feel free to make your own as well :D. -- Shadowphoenix  19:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering the problems that occurred changing the logo for Halloween, maybe we should rethink that. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 19:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah forgot about that... with any luck we will get our update before decorations go up..... (I didn't have any problems changing the logo over at GWG, but it has 1.13)  -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 19:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to put something in common.css or .js that super-imposes a new image over the old? --JonTheMon 19:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * *Looks at poke* -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 19:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely.
 * "I didn't have any problems changing the logo over at GWG, but it has 1.13" - Wikia wikis link their logo to Image:Wiki.png, so that wiki administrator don't have to access the server to change a logo. Also Wikia has probably not such a complicated backup system for their servers, so that is not really a good argument :P poke | talk 20:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For the logo images, would people want me to create completely new ones, see what I can come up with before deciding or just use my previous ones again? -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 20:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay for Poke! Also poke, shush you....  Kakarot, I think maybe a couple minor changes to the logos will do, don't do I complete overhaul of them.  Maybe change a few icons here and there :) -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 21:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The old logos will do if you are busy. If you are not, new stuff is always apriciated. --Xeeron 10:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the icon? Sohuld we pick some new ones for Wintersday? &mdash; Seru   [[Image:User Seru Sig2.png|19px]] Talk 16:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

What about the colors? Do we want more of a snowy theme (light blues, white, and snow), Green & Red, or Silver & Gold (thats just a few of the christmas colors)? -- Shadowphoenix  16:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like greens and reds (if we have to change it), but nothing too gaudy, bright, or contrasting. calor   (talk)  22:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would look great! -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 14:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Image:User Shadowphoenix Wintersday Logo.png is a bit plain. Isn't there an image which would be similar to the current logo (and, come to think of it, the Halloween logo)? Something round and large, preferebly - presents and whitespace don't really make for a good logo in my opinion. -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 00:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Gingerbread Shield? - Tanetris 01:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Then we need a render. poke | talk 08:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Would what I did with the Nightfall Wintersday logo help with that Poke? The Gingerbread Shield (size wise the shield is - 267x276px : 600dpi ) -- Kakarot [[Image:User_Kakarot_Sig.gif|Talk]] 17:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Render would look better :P poke | talk 17:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I personally like the gift boxes. I don't see why it has to be the same as the current logo, in fact making it different would make it more noticeable. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 17:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not the same, but similar - i.e. one object, round, and "logo-like". The presents would be better suited as icons (i.e. for the main page) rather than for the logo. -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 18:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Poke, poke emily for a render of the gingerbread shield and I will get right on it. -- Shadowphoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px| Happy Halloween ]] 20:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:User Shadowphoenix Wintersday Logo 2.png and Image:User Shadowphoenix Wintersday Logo 3.png. Take your pick :) -- Shadow phoenix  21:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Of all the holiday logos SP has posted on her holiday logo page, I like the presents the best for Wintersday :D --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 21:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * linky. Also, would we like to change the favicon as well?  I could make one (or someone else could if they want to) in a jiffy.  -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 22:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the gingerbread shield :). I suppose we could change the favicon; have anything specific in mind? -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 22:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For the favicon it depends on the logo I guess. If we use the sheild we can use a mini version of the gingerbread focus for it, if we use the presents we could use the winter gift, and if we use the focus we could use the shield.  Anymore ideas?  (btw, I like the presents and the shield the best out of all three; so I put my vote in for both of those) -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 23:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Changing the favicon isn't such a good idea.. Favicons usually get cached for a long time, so either you wouldn't see it immediately or it will retain after it is reverted back; also then we would need Emily to do it for us, but we can change the logo alone. poke | talk 23:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

here is a draft for the main page. Change it if you would like too :) -- Shadow phoenix  15:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Softer colors, IMO. The green and the red are too strong. Erasculio 15:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you insist on a round item for the logo then the candy cane shield would be better than the gingerbread.. it's just too weird. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 15:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought about that Wyn, but GuildWiki is using that for their wintersday logo. -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 16:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

(random indents, I don't get your system) I just want to say I really don't like the gingerbread shield, it's scary. I would prefer the presents, they are really festive. On the other hand, I've never liked the shield we already have, so I don't think we should stay with the same shape just to stay the same. - anja   17:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * PRESENTS!!! --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 23:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sooo, we are going with the presents? -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 03:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Has my vote (and Anja's too I think :D) Just need to presents to be bigger.. filling in the white space a bit better. --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 05:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I made the front page--<font color="Black">D AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 13:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Waaay too much colour. I'd prefer SP's version, but with lighter shades of green and red (remember, colours aren't there for pure prettiness - they shouldn't make anything harder to read).
 * I guess it's presents then. -- [[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 14:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you make the presents a bit bigger then? So that it overlaps with the rest of the logo a bit? poke | talk 15:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I increased the size last night. The big present can't get any bigger or it starts to look blury. -- Shadow phoenix  [[Image:User Shadowphoenix Necromancer.png|19x19px]] 15:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For DAV's creation for winsterday, the blue letters are really outspoken when contrast with the green which is nice when reading but blue color tend to blend in with red and the grey stuff around the headers seems out of place maybe with white. The approach with the Player vs. Player box really does look great(maybe other boxes should follow this example?), green for background, red from the potion and grey for the header(I really dont like grey). Just a thought from DAV's creation.--ShadowFog 20:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What about this one... the guild wars part got much darker when I uploaded it for some reason... Image:User Wynthyst Wintersday logo2.png --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png | Wyn's Talk page]] Wyn 20:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In the wintersday statement I was referring to DAV's Mainpagesandbox and your png sure got the presents bigger, more noticeable and from my point of view looks less boxy(higher resolution) than Shadophoenix's. --ShadowFog 22:25, 15 December 2008

( Reset Indent ) I thank you guys for your nice ideas. I am changing the text color right now!--<font color="Black">D AV  A   19:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

New red
You win. Misery 14:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)