Talk:Gwen/A1

Gwen is Evil
Whats a Gwen article without some 'gwen is evil' discussion? So let me get things rolling... *ahem*  Gwen is totally evil. --Wormy 02:40, 12 February 2007 (PST)
 * We'll find out soon enough! -- Dashface 00:11, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Well She was only evil during the Beta testing so that doesn't meen she will be evil. Its like how Kuungvang killed everyone in the Beta testing for Factions. --Andyana 05:43, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Here's a twist for ya... what if Gwen acts like a henchie for the first bit of GW:EN and then you find out that she get fire powers and becomes THE DESTROYER!!! *crazy piano music and lightning crashing in the background* MWAHAHAHHAHA [Z. Ametefe] 12:36 a.m. August 2, 2007 --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:70.74.126.173.
 * what the? are you dronk? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:81.245.160.170.
 * He's not drunk. Can't you tell that he's joking? O.O -- ab.er. rant [[Image:User Ab.er.rant Sig.png|sig]] 09:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Go for it
I'm sure that the lore and appeal of Gwen is welcome here, just stick to general Wiki guidelines and be prepared for someone to do..(ahem) 'major' work on it making it more readible, in short that just means adding infomation that is supurlative to the article in question and not correcting the one obvious mistake. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:M0r1arty.

Old Friend
From PC Gamer: "Eye of the North ties up a lot of loose ends from the previous Guild Wars games, and fills out parts of the GW story that story that's been told through various campaigns. Apparently, you'll also encounter some old friends, like this one. Exactly who is this, you may ask? The only hint we're allowed to give is this: You met this person as a child in Prophecies." Gwen is the Great Destroyer? DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN --Santax 15:15, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
 * And Rurik is the Great Dwarf, coming back from the dead again! :D Those clothes make Gwen look like a Mesmer or something, wouldn't be suprised if she ends up the 'Missing Mesmer Hero' and the Tapestry Shred, Broken Flute, etc, are for the quest to get her. Considering Nightfall allowed for 1 Hero of every campaign-specific profession and two of every core class excluding the Mesmer (Only had Norgu), so I'm hoping they balance that out. Regardless, I reckon by that picture she's probably a Mesmer. That is all PURE SPECULATION though for anyone who just skims through :P On a side note, wonder who they mean by the "other friends", could it be the Seers or Mursaat :o or King Adelbern even? --Blobulator 01:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)


 * After what we did to the Mursaat, I don't see why they would want to be our friends. -- Dashface 23:54, 28 March 2007 (EDT)


 * A cleaner page can be found here on the official GW:EoTN page. --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 11:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Spoiler?
I didn't have the chance to read the PC Gamer article yet but isn't the notion that Gwen will be in GWEN (lol?) a spoiler? I always knew back in the Prophecies days that in case ANet would bring her back, I would want to be surprised by it and not be spoiled. I thought maybe putting a spoiler tag up above this acticle here would make people like me happy since this is as of now primarily an article about the infantile Gwen. Kalem 14:08, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * By putting a spoiler tag, we would be saying that there was something to be spoilt&mdash;therefore ruining the surprise anyway. Maybe we should put two spoiler tags: the first one to warn that another spoiler tag will follow, just in case the reader doesn't want to know that there are plot details ahead. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 00:06, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Why stop there? Add three spoiler tags! Warn the reader that a spoiler tag is about to tell you that there is a warning about spoilers coming up! Counciler 07:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Gwen For Mesmer Hero:aware:
Well looking at the picture of Gwen in GW:EotN (if that really is Gwen, dum dum dum) she looks like a mesmer. Also in Pre-Searing she Claims she wants to become a Mesmer too. Now the reason I think she might be the Mesmer Hero is because, why not! It would be very cool to have her as one. But what do you think? --Andyana 15:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I think it's Mesmer :) maybe not a hero, Gwen fans would die and go to heaven if they actually got to tell Gwen what to do... it sure does look like Gwen though. --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 15:48, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I can't recall now where I read this, but somebody pointed out that the heroes are missing a mesmer still.... Fox 15:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Norgu is man enough for anyone :) --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 15:54, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Ah yes Mesmer :P silly me with the spelling. I'm getting the spelling mixed up with something else. I was thinking about some of the future heroes and thought of excisting plausable hero characters (e.i. Devona for warrior :o ) and I thought Gwen would fit the bill nicley. Seen as there is already a male mesmer and Gwen would even it out (comparing if the ascalon's chosen became heroes aswell the sex balance of the heroes evens out more) --Andyana 16:37, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Mesmer! I wish that a hero like gwen would be somehow be very useful. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:202.128.34.98.
 * "When I grow up, I'm going to be a hero like my daddy. I'd like to be a warrior, but the mesmers' outfits are nicer, don't you think?" ;) [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 20:14, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
 * zomg. Gwen's dad is a hidden hero! press up, up, down, right, left, right and then shift for details... --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 20:23, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
 * That didn;t work, any ideas why?>?}???[[Image:User Blastedt sig.jpg]] B LASTED T 19:52, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Try this one: start+select, &#9651;, X, C-up, C-left, Z, down, then L1+L2+R1+R2+start+select. -- Dashface 02:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Bah playstationites... *shakes wii remote around* --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 11:57, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * On second reflection, those button combinations are a combination in themselves, from the Nintendo 64 (C buttons and Z) and maybe the Gamecube, I believe the latter are most likely to be from the Sony Dual Shock controller, as Microsoft refer to the shoulder and triggers on the '360 controller as bumper & triggers. --Jamie [[Image:User Jamie.gif|(Talk Page)]] 12:00, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * *Hmpf* Playstation *attempting to hit a homerun on Wii Sports* whoops Dashface duck! [[Image:Tomoko's Cookie.jpg|19px]] Tomoko 07:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * How is this so when she heals you in pre-searing?--Repented Soul 06:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The music heals you. She doesn't use any skills. - B e X  08:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Gwen can't be a Monk Hero - we know there are only 10 heroes, one for each profession. Ogden is the monk and so any other hero has to be a profession not already taken. This also counts out Ascalon's Chosen as Pyre - Aiden, Mhenlo - Ogden, Devona - Jora (blonde butch *hides from Devona fangirl/boys* female warriors both?), Cynn - Vekk. I find it interesting there was never any or Ascalon's Chosen who was a Mesmer (we always had Durham (spelling?) - Perhaps the Devs had in their mind to make Gwen return as a Mesmer all along, which is why we never had the Mesmer Chosen). To me it seems logical Gwen fill this final place, also as she is born in Prophecy she also is a core profession, leaving Mesmer only (I didn't mention Eve before as I don't know her GWEN counterpart). Even if we didn't have Pyre etc taking the Ascalon Chosen's places, it would cause Havok going back to Tyrian missions with TWO Devonas! And poor Mhenlo and Jamei in Factions with two Cynns! Also note: NPC's which for one reason or another aren't available due a certain storyline event later on, see: Rurik - Frost Gate, Togo - Raisu Palace, Kormir - Weird Dancing God Mission, DO NOT appear anywhere as an NPC in town or as a hero/henchman etc in our curren accessable world. Hopefully this won't be the case with Gwen. Dancing Gnome
 * Gwen should be a monk since she heals you in pre. Im in pre now. And she just said that she wanted to be a warrior but that mesmers dress nicer. Ramei Arashi 15:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Reorganisation of this article
Right now this page is a total mess. The sections after the EoTN section truly belong as part of the prophecies article, not after the EToN page as surely there will be a lot of information on Gwen come release. Personally I think the best approach is to split this page into two Gwen (Pre-searing) & Gwen (Eyes of the North) then turn this page into a disambiguation page linking to the two other pages. --Jamie 07:04, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thats Probably the best idea. --Andyana 13:11, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * That's a terrible idea. If they're the same person, she doesn't need two articles. -- Dashface 09:17, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * To clarify, I think that spliting this article based on age is a terrible idea. Making it an article and an apendix is not such a bad idea, especially as we get more information. -- Dashface 02:26, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I like that idea a lot. I would suggest naming them Gwen (Prophecies) and Gwen (Eyes of the North) instead of Gwen (Pre-Searing) - that would allow us to list things about Gwen outside of Pre-Searing, such as the Tattered Girl's Cape. Erasculio 09:19, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * One person should = one article. Also, the sections about "evil" Gwen don't belong in the Prophecies section, nor do they really have to be in the article at all - that was during beta, and has no relevance or bearing on Prophecies as played now.It is trivia at worst, or historical reference at best. Splitting the article is the easiest/laziest solution - it needs to be formatted differently, undoubtedly, but not split. Fox 10:19, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

To be honest I love the stuff about gwen from the beta, it is some great trivia and would like to see it stay. Also I agree with the article split. The reasons I have are: -- Lemming64 10:26, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * To have them in the same article would mean some major spoilers if you were just searching for information on the pre searing gwen
 * It may be safe to assume that Gwen in EotN is going to have a fairly major role that could create quite a large article in itself. Speculation is preparation.
 * Just because there is no president to do it like this, does not mean it is necessarily the wrong thing to do.
 * I also think the beta Gwen info is interesting, fun, and is fine in the article - but it isn't really Prophecies, if you get my drift, so should be on the tail-end of the article as an afterthought, not something relevant to the game today. Although I am still veering towards one article, I am waivering - it is very possible that EotN will force a second article. Let's face it, it isn't really specualtion - it is Gwen, we just don't know what role she will have in EotN. If she is a hero, for example, then she will definitely need an article formatted the same as eg Koss or Olias. At the moment, I think one article is fine, but still needs tidying, and we should wait and see what happens in EotN. Fox 10:35, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I've tidied it up a bit, but removed all the quotes. I think that maybe a subpage is in order at Gwen/Quotes for:

I'm also gonna see if she has any standard NPC dialogue now, since that needs filling in. Finally, we need to find a way to put the picture of her as a child on the page so it doesn't include another messy infobox. --Santax 11:57, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Quotes from when she is standing still behind the resurection shrine
 * Quotes when she is following you around
 * Quotes from the beta event
 * (if she is a hero) Idle and battle quotes
 * I'm not fond of making a subpage for the quotes only. I think we should keep everything regarding Gwen in one or two pages (two being one for the little girl and the other for the possible hero in GW:EN). I don't see why the quotes couldn't be on her main page, just like everyone else's quotes. Erasculio 12:24, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
 * It's because she has so many, basically. Here are all the quotes from the beta event, here are her presear quotes, she also has a unique quote relating to each profession trainer and if she is a hero in GW:EN then she'll have idle quotes, battle quotes and a unique idle quote for every primary quest, too. If we include them all in the main article it'll just appear listy and horrible. --Santax 12:31, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Gwen is not an only child! (or, rather, the only child)
Gwen is the only child in the original Prophecies campaign (aside from the Wintersday NPC Katie) and so it is highly likely that it is, in fact, her.

What about Cheswick? Why no love and constant adoration for the poor Krytan lad? -- Dashface 11:54, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Agreed. Edit to state that she is the only female child one meets in Prophecies? The picture displayed in PCGamer clearly depicts an Ascalon-coloured female with flowers in her hair, which discounts Cheswick from that future role. Odd that Oink is more famous than his owner... --Valentein 11:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hm, that's cos Oink is a lean, mean, bacon-flavor killing machine. Cheswick on the other hand is just an irksome ankle biter :D [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 05:24, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Updated. There may well be other female children (especially somewhere in Kryta), but since I can't think of any, it's as accurate as I can make it at the moment. I wonder why there's no wiki category for children. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 05:21, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I thought there were some in Lion's Arch running around.--Eloc 18:32, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * You know they ment the only child in the searing? [[Image:Tomoko's Cookie.jpg|19px]] Tomoko 07:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the last post about searing but Cheswik MIGHT be in it. If you watch the GWEN trailer I believe it shows all the heros except the Necro, Dervish and Assasin, which will be in EotN. We already know 10 heroes, one for each profession. Pyre - Charr Ranger, Odgen - Dward Monk, Vekk - Asura Elementalist, Jora - Norn Warrior, this is speculation but Gwen has to be the mesmer. If you watch closely there is a scene with a small Elonan? boy weilding a spear against a Wolf - Paragon - MIGHT be Cheswik. In another scene is a female who's armour looks VERY similair to Ritualist armour only with weird allusions to the destroyers or titans, (see magma arm and equipment). Dancing Gnome

Hopefully Gwen will not be a Hero or a Henchman
I honestly hope that Gwen is an NPC in Guild Wars: Eye of the North (if she's indeed to be in it) rather than a Hero or Henchman, which would make the reunion with her (assuming you're playing a Tyrian character) that much more poignant. I also hope that she's still a relatively-sweet person as an adult as she was as a child - much of that poignancy would be lost if she were to become a "kick butt, take names" type of person... the world of Guild Wars already has more than enough of those. -- Bananko 18:24, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I hope Gwen is a hero. Spontaneous Combustion for hard mode is a big plus for me. :) - [[Image:Drago-Shield-Mini.gif]] Drago 18:28, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * LoL Good point - now that is an elite I would like on my build :D [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 18:51, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Gwen's Equipped Skills Are: Frown - "I Want Your Irish Flowers Now!" - Spontaneous Combustion - "The Roof is on Fire!" - Flute - Frenzy - "I Want My Flute Back!" - Resurrection Signet. [[Image:Tomoko's Cookie.jpg|19px]] Tomoko 07:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In thinking about wanting Gwen to be a hero, how would it work with the bonus mission of the searing, where you find out what happened to Gwen, if she was a hero? Two Gwens in the same place = Sponataneous Combustion?Dancing Gnome 07:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is in response to a previous comment about Gwen staying a kind person...Remember the Searing? Her mother died, her homeland was destroyed, her tiny childhood world ripped apart, and then she was grabbed by a few running Ascalon Vanguards (to make Ebon Vanguard) and trotted off North to live side-by-side with the very creatures that destroyed the center of her world. That would be VERY hard on a child (i think she was 10) and now only 6 years have passed since her mother died. She's gonna have issues.... MAJOR issues because of that. Also she is now leading the Ebon Vanguard in her Captain's place so the stress and trauma would almost DEFINATELY rock her mind into a primal rage state. Happy-Go-Lucky go Bye-bye for strong tough-as-nails Mesmer with a take no prisoners attitude [Z. Ametefe] 12:43 a.m. August 2, 2007
 * Actually they fled into the Far Shiverpeaks to live side-by-side with shapeshifting half-naked Vikings, and I doubt she accompanied the raids into Charr territory. If nothing bad happened in the intervening years, she could be relatively okay (although the Searing and the escape into the Shiverpeaks were pretty bad on their own). -- Gordon Ecker 08:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I certainly hope that you're right, Gordon. -- Bananko 05:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Comic: What Gwen Has Been Doing Since the Searing


I am a big fan of Gwen. -- Dashface 23:50, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Brightened my day no end - although I now have to wipe down the monitor after snorting coffee when reading the hilarious last frame XD [[Image:User Fox.jpg]] Fox (talk|contribs) 04:03, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Well, She has a higher rank than me :P --Andyana 13:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Fox, thanks. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 03:06, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Did you make those your self? if so, can you make more? they're awesome!  DBZVelena  |  (Talk page)  [[image:User_DBZVelena_sig.jpg]] 15:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't draw it, but I did write it. (Not much text in this one, but I took more than five hundred words just to describe this one comic the artist, Caroline.) The third comic is now on my talk page, and a more easily understood one might turn up in three or four weeks if I can get the wording right. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 01:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Bad Grammar Usage
I think someone needs to fix the grammar used on this page. I think it would be better for the article to be written in the present tense. "If the player gave her a Small Girl's Cape, a Flute, and 5 Red Iris Flowers then she would give them a Tapestry Shred as a gift." I think this sounds horrible. "In Old Ascalon, Gwen's Broken Flute can be found, and up until recently, a Tattered Girl's Cape used to spawn in the Stingray Strand, all the way over in Kryta." This does not sound too pretty either. 68.229.134.95 23:01, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Then fix it :) It's not that just logged in/registered users is allowed to do such a thing, evreyone is encouraged to make articles better. - anja  [[Image:User Anja Astor sig icon.png|talk]]  (contribs)  04:13, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Gwen
I'm guessing that gwen coming back in GW:EN and 3 quest items without a known quest that gwen used to love (tattered girls cape, preserved iris flower, broken flute) are related? Any hints? :D -Cheese Slaya (Guildwiki)
 * You forgot the Tapestry Shred! i hope there some things related to it because i would have hold it 2 years for noting.. --Bob 02:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If the cape is used I hope they put it back in. I didn't even know about it until months after it was removed. :'( - B e X  02:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There actually IS a quest for the "Broken Flute" found in pre-searing. There is NO quest for "Gwen's Broken Flute" found in post-searing. I have one of the most rare Gwen Items.......Tattered Girl's Cape.  I had a conversation with Gaile about this item.  She said something about a "Tattered Girl" sounding awful. LOL --- White wasabi  [[Image:USER_White_Wasabi.jpg]] 03:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

GW:EN In Game Trailer
Is it me or was the girl in the middle of the 3 at the end a lot like Gwen Drake
 * It was also Gwen narrating. I thought that was pretty obvious. Capcom 18:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It is pretty clear that is Gwen narrating and that is indeed Gwen at the end. I think it would be a stretch now to deny it was true. -- Lemming64 18:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You can defiantly tell by the hair. Just freeze it right there and BAM older Gwen. Drake
 * Her eyes look smaller in the trailer than in the old image of her (the one you can find above). Also, anyone else think she is voiced by Kari Wahlgren (voice of Tahlkora)? [[Image:esig2.jpg]] Eldin 02:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Split
Anny opposition to splitting this article? Any thoughts at all? --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm mildly opposed, I'm not a fan of spilting articles in general. Though if she does turn out to be a hero, spliting it into Gwen and Gwen(hero) would be ok with me. - [[Image:User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG]] HeWhoIsPale 15:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to it. Look at Mhenlo; he's got a hefty bit of storyline about him, he spans all three campaigns, serves as an NPC and a hench... and it's all detailed in one article. No need to split the Gwen article, we can just make sections on the page. The good majority of what's taking up Gwen's page is trivia, not factual content; once EotN comes out and people stop spazzing about gwen, the article can be trimmed down to facts and histories instead of "omg gwen is sooooo popular!" - Auron 15:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm normally the same with that... I like to keep it so one person has one article on them. However, since it now looks like Gwen's going to be a hero, we'd need to include two infoboxes, idle and active quotes from childhood, idle and battle quotes from adulthood, as well as dialogue, recruitment info and armour info, all on one page. Given the fact that, although the same character, the two entities are very different, I think we should split to make it less messy and make the information more accessible. Although Mhenlo is just one character who appears throughout 3 campaigns, he is more or less the same all the way through. The difference between an adult Gwen and a childhood Gwen is so great that I don't think we can really organise it per the formatting guidelines and still have the information accessible and easy to understand. And remember, Mhenlo's page is far from complete. If it were, it would be even longer than Devona. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No split imo - FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.png]] 15:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am strongly against splitting this article, especially by campaign. That kind of designation is more appropriate for quests and characters who are not one, such as Hajok Earthguardian, The Afflicted Huan, Council of Elders, and Flesh Golem. The guys that have two articles are the ones that turn on the player and morph grotesquely, like Minister Cho who turns into Diseased Minister and those two guys in Prophecies. I would suggest that their alternate forms only have their own articles due to the spoilery nature of their transformation. Gwen's survival or lack thereof, on the other hand, is not a plot point in Prophecies. -- Dashface [[Image:User_Dashface.png]] 08:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposed. On general principles. If it's hard to read, improve formating. Backsword 13:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The formatting is exactly as it should be in the guidelines. If we have one page for two NPC's, it would be haphazardly put together, no matter how carefully, and end up downright messy. As I see it, Prophecies Gwen is to Eye of the North Gwen as Prince Rurik is to Undead Prince Rurik, minus the dead bit. Although the same character, they are two VERY different NPC's. --Santax (talk · contribs) 10:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to split it yet. I think we probably will have to when GW:EN comes out though. If she is a hero or a very main character it will mean a lot of information on a single page and be pretty confusing. -- Lemming64 12:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * i agree w/ lemming. put off any splitting decision until we actually see the material. -- VVong | BA 12:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree for now because we don't know how big of a role she's going to play, let's wait until GW:EN comes out and then see if her role is big we should make a new article. [[Image:Tomoko's Cookie.jpg|19px]] Tomoko 16:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Commanding the Ebon Vanguard in Captain Lingmar's absence...
Where do we get that from? --Karlos 10:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Here. --Santax (talk · contribs) 10:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And these are extracted from the dat file? --Karlos 12:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe so, I'm not entirely sure though. --Santax (talk · contribs) 13:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * After the new dialogue (after The Battle For Lions Arch) Gwen stands there and cries. Ramei Arashi 20:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Appearance
The audio that person extracted from the dat file... does it indicate you meet Gwen at the Eye of the North? That could be worth mentioning as if she is a hero it is likely where you recruit her. Dancing Gnome 16:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Gwen's Death?
Is it not possible that Gwen is going to die in the near future. If you read the Guild Wars 2 wiki lore about Ebonhawke, and how her and King Adelbern make the city into a fortress, it says that the city will be set to flames because of the Foefire. This takes place about ten years after the current time in Guild Wars. Isn't the current year in Guild Wars somewhere around 1079 AE? If she is inside, then she may die. But we also have to remember that some how Logan Thackeray is a descendant from them, so they also have to have kids. This will be very interesting to see how this plays out! 96.42.76.19 00:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * She's human, so she will die. But Ebonhawke was untouched by the Foefire. -- Konig / talk 22:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to merge

 * &rarr; Moved from Talk:Gwen/draft

The two articles Gwen and Gwen/draft are too long for the casual reader to understand what would happen if they were merged. It would be helpful to list the issues with Gwen that one hopes to resolve and how Gwen/draft resolves them. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You just confused the confusion thar. -- Neil • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 17:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The issue with the Gwen pages is that we currently have 3 articles for the same character at different stages in her life, with a fourth proposed (and if that goes through, three of those different stages will be within a year of each other). This proposal is to simply have a single "biography" page rather than the convoluted set of pages we have now. All these pages for a single character simply isn't necessary, and this page shows that all the information on the character can be combined into a single page effectively. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with the merge (BTW, Santax, we only have 2 - the charr prison article from the disambig page is just the disguise skill - with a third proposed). However, I'd like the re-placing of the quotation template and using the render for the NPC infobox. However, I am not against having a child and an adult form of the pages - Pre-Searing and other. Which is what we have now (i.e., I am against the third article). -- Konig / talk 22:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * i think what should happen is we should have a gwen page on that page there is a section called gwen pre-searing gwen in the bmp and gwen in eotn and maybe gwen in guild wars beyond that way its clear to see her at all stages of her life in the game. and its all on one page. i think having more then one page is redundant and makes you look around longer for information.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 06:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't see any purpose about having a Gwen in the BMP/EN/Beyond sections. At most, there should only be 2 sections/pages - Gwen in pre-Searing (childhood), and Gwen outside of pre-Searing (adult). BMP info: a build, a model, and lore; EN info: 2 builds, 3 models, location, quests, lore; Beyond info: location, new quests, lore, wedding dress model. I don't see a need to separate those. I prefer the gallery for all the different models, the quests don't need separation, nor does the lore, and the locations between Beyond and EN atm is more or less the same. There's little need to separate the builds between BMP and EN, and even smaller need to separate that lore.
 * So, again: Either mix it all up (like this page, but I say we need a better image - I do like using the render, for consistency if nothing else), or have it as two pages - Gwen (child) and Gwen (adult). To have more is completely redundant and unnecessary. As to having section, also pointless imo as it would just make the page larger. You can separate lore (ala Devona's biography section), but the rest should be kept together. -- Konig / talk 21:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * i dont see why we need 2 pages. they are the same person and should all be on the same page. i dont care how many sections there is i just think it should be one page. -[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 04:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's multiple NPCs which are split in two, despite being for the same person in lore, due to the immense difference in game mechanics and/or spoiler reasons (Etham and Etham the Artisan being an example for the former, Kormir and Goddess of Truth being an example for the former). -- Konig / talk 04:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * etham and etham the artisan should be merged and i see no reason why little girl gwen and hero gwen cant share the same page.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 06:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I have no issue with the merge.MystiLefemEle 10:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people still play this game. They need all the info. If it's imortant enough, I suggest you make an articlaon gw2 wiki. Backsword 12:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see where the comment on the gw2 wiki comes from... or rather, responds to. -- Konig / talk 20:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The point being that while some people don't play the game anymore, and is only interested in lore, particularly as it pertains to gw2, there is still plenty of players of gw1. Thus this idea of removing gameplay info and focus on gw2 relevant lore is a bad one. Backsword 03:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But there is no removal of gameplay info and there's absolutely no focus on gw2...? It just merges gwen as a child and gwen as a teen/adult, and fills in lore which pertains to both that was missing before. The only gw2 information there is, is merely two notes - one about Logan, the other about her title as "the Goremonger." -- Konig / talk 11:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There is on this draft. Backsword 06:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, some of the info is directly incorrect. But it's all a sacrifice worth making on the altar of lore, eh. Backsword 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * can u point out this "incorrect info" and gw2 focus?-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 08:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, please, since the only "gw2 focus" I see is two notes which exist on the hero page (as stated, the info of Logan Thackeray and The Goremonger). The only other future-lore info there is would be the comment of 1080 AE, which isn't that big of a deal since we know it happens, even if not mechanically. I just looked through and found no incorrect info, so please do point it out - or correct it yourself - instead of just complaining. Back up your words, oh, he-who-can-see-things-I-cannot. -- Konig / talk 14:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Different suggestion with slight changes

 * &rarr; Moved from Talk:Gwen/draft

I didn't want to replace the draft with a few but significant changes so I created User:Konig Des Todes/Gwen for an alternate suggestion. I'd prefer that version for:
 * 1) Consistency in infobox image - renders seem to be preferred, I think we should keep it that way.
 * 2) Quote template - while I dislike the looks of it, I think the quote template should be used except with flavor quotes (like what's being done on the gw2wiki atm).
 * 3) Neither takes away from the article, nor adds too much (like the quote template of Turai Ossa or Saul D'Alessio. -- Konig / talk 11:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * i like either.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 16:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Decided to add the quote up top and render image into the infobox, since Santax used a render over on Keiran Thackeray/draft. -- Konig / talk 16:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)