Talk:Defensive Anthem

This skill is pretty useful if you want to support your party but don't want to use your attributes for Command, Motivation or Tactics. I like it.

I considered this skill underpowered, yet playable. With the 2 seconds casting, it just became underpowered. Another Paragon skill became useless. Let's see, what's left that doesn't involve Command? Oh yeah, that's right; nothing. Nicky Silverstar 18:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, no. The skill is anything but underpowered and with the 2 second cast time still remains to be one of the strongest Paragon Elites in PVP and PVE. With the 1 second cast time it was ridiculously imbalanced. Yesitsrob 06:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell that to the teams I used it with...it shines in a dedicated group, but it really sucks now in a group that has no clue how this skill works. However, please not that my first comment was posted back when I still compared it to Aegis. I realize its power now. Nicky Silverstar 16:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It can't be compared to aegis anyway; this skill ends when an attack skill is used, so it's only useful to spellcasting members of the team. Warriors, Paragons, Rangers, Assasin etc who'd all normally benefit from Aegis do not benefit from this skill as the effect ends once they attack. --85.62.18.8 17:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

On my paragon i just use r7 protection prayers + 20% spear and aegis...same thing maybe a touch better. if DA is used on a paragon with 12-13 leadership it costs in total 9e...for 1e more i will take the non-elite. the reason people think this skill is an awesome paragon elite is probably because its one of the few decent ones of the grand total 15. Incoming, DA, song of restoration are the only paragon elites with a clear defensive edge.--Justice 19:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its awesome because its unremovable. Lord of all tyria 19:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

this skill sucks

This skill is complete garbage. Definitely doesn't deserve to be elite. Even if it wasn't elite I probably wouldn't use it. Slightly less recharge than Aegis but more energy.... plus you can attack with Aegis. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:96.233.2.70 (talk).
 * wut's unstrippable m8? --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 00:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ummm noone forces your frontliners to use ATTACK SKILLS, in teams that run this they normally just farm adren then spike after it ends. As for the fact that it's impossible to remove that certainly 1ups aegis, not to mention the fact that you wouldn't have to waste attribute points for protection prayers like justice recomended earlier. Not very many decent paragon elites out there, but this is one of the few usable ones.141.233.19.106 17:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The recast time is to long in order to make use of it. Sure it provides an unstrippable fifty percent chance to block, but can only last up to a max of ten seconds and have to wait another fourteen seconds to recast.William Wallace 23:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because having an unstrippable 50% block rate for your entire team 70-100% of the time would be totally balanced. Oh wait. --Ckal Ktak 23:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Why waste an Elite on something that can be surpassed with so many non-elite options? In PvE you are even better of with some mighty defense... Noctarch 00:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC) Why bother playing PvP when someone is going to beat you eventualy? You can never be too sure what the enemy has.(77.70.60.74 09:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC))
 * This skill is weak. About the unstrippable thing: What's easier to remove 8 enchantments or to just cast Vocal Minority on the Paragon making him pretty much totally useless? This skill here won't be used by any serious team cause simply the alternatives are pretty much better, without being elites. Eth 08:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

8 enchants is much easier to remove... rend enchants, chillblains and my gosh if i were to list them all.... vocal minority though... even in pve isn't very common. 14:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * With human players Ward against Melee comes to my mind. 50% chance to block, unremovable, 21 sec. duration with 30 sec. recharge, not an elite and human players can actually stay inside it.
 * Build wars. Fact is, unstrippable block is still good until vocal minority becomes commonplace. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  06:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

can't believe that so many people think this skill is garbage yet it find is used with about 70%+ teams in ha......... In ta and etc it won't be used but in HA it is widely used especially in chains 92.3.96.225 10:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * People dont understand how powerful a 50% block that cannot be removed is, especially when placed on a character that doesn't have energy issues. They only think raw damage numbers, which is why people understand how OP incoming was, but when faced with a similar idea that only works with attacks as opposed to all damage, they think its crap just because it plays slightly differently. --192.188.161.182 11:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

it doesnt appear like a tall shield imo.

In PvE...
Aegis has this beat. This could really use a buff, imo. I understand that it's irremovable and all of that, but the duration, cast time, and recharge kill it when compared to Aegis. And since even heroes can chain Aegis with 20% enchant staves, that makes this "elite" even worse in PvE. Here are some ideas I have to make this better. Let me know what you think or feel free to add your own. Karate  Jesus  20:04, 9 June 2009
 * With things like cry of pain and roj the way they are, there is no excuse to revert all skills that have ever been nerfed in pve back to their original format. so i agree or something. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you disagree, but I think the sentence is missing a "not" or something. Anyway, yea...even if they nerfed CoP and RoJ, this would still be a terrible elite (in PvE) Karate   Jesus  15:17, 10 June 2009
 * "so i agree or something." What I meant was, with roj and cop the way they are now, anet can make no claims to pve being balanced, and any nerfs to skills other than CoP and RoJ in pve under the banner of 'balance' are inherently a complete joke.  Ergo, the only thing they can do is leave skills alone, or buff skills that are subpar. --[[Image:User Mafaraxas_sigimg.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  15:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That I agree with. Karate   Jesus  15:48, 10 June 2009

Related to Guardian?
Aegis I can understand, but how is it related to Guardian? 50% block chance isn't enough to justify them being related. If it is, then someone add Weapon of Warding.
 * If one party member uses an attack skill, does this end for all party members?--Bleded Scythe 12:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, this is a late reply, but no, it does not end on all party member. The description says: "This chant ends if that party member hits with an attack skill" so it will only end on the person that attacks.--Iggy The Iguana 16:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)