Feedback talk:User/Musha/New Faction for PvE

GW has already too much grinding for a skill-based game. I disapprove of this.  Koda   Kumi  16:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you are misunderstanding my suggestion... There would be no grind involved at all. I'm not suggesting a new title, just adding an additional reward for existing content.  This new faction would simply allow PvE players access to the same rewards that PvP players enjoy.  For example, currently, zkeys are really only obtainable by spending Bfaction or tournament reward points, two things that are EXCLUSIVE to PvP matches.  My suggestion allows PvE players to obtain zkeys, too, and through the same mechanism, faction, the only difference is that this new faction is rewarded ONLY through PvE play.  So, you can build up Bfaction through AB, RA, Codex, etc, or you can build up another kind of faction by completing missions, vanquishing, etc, and either way, you will be able to spend this faction for a skill for your heroes, for a Zkey, or for a pet unlock.  ALL players, not just PvPers, use those things, so why should only PvP players be able to get them?  Especially the zaishen chest...  Not only does the current system make the zaishen rank title a PvP-only thing, but the actual chest rewards, too.  PvE players could certainly use skill tomes, creme brulees, firewaters, and new weapons, too!  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  05:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

This is an excellent suggestion, improving what I had in mind in the feedback linked at the beginning of the article. Agaetis Ros 15:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Zaishen has nothing to do with PvE. With the introduction of Zaishen Keys, PvP players now have more variation in choosing their award when parcipating in PvP matches for Balthazar Faction. Before that, they were only able to spend it on buying Tournament Tokens if they had everything unlocked at the Priest of Balthazar. If you really want to have more acces in the Zaishen Chest, please parcipate in PvP. Infested Hydralisk  05:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So, you're saying that the Zaishen title should be exclusive to PvP players? The Zaishen DOES have something to do with PvE, hence the Zaishen Mission and Zaishen Bounty quests. What I am asking for is for an extension of those rewards that have here-to-fore been exclusive to only PvP players, when in actuality, they should be shared between both PvP and PvE.  The Zaishen Chest drops skill tomes, which are WORTHLESS to a PvP character since they have access to all unlocked skills anyway.  PvE players use pets as well, so allow us to unlock pets at the Zaishen Menagerie.   --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  03:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * suggestions seems to be made for scers and other farmers highly disapprove of this specialy since we dont need yet anotehr faction 127.0.0.1 03:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Tomes can be used on PvE characters to go get them PvP ready, you don't have to PvP always on a PvP character. The Zaishen are primarly focusing on PvP while they have there extensions to PvE lately. But really, we don't need another faction. Like I said, want more acces to the Zaishen Chest? Please parcipate in PvP. Infested Hydralisk  13:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See, that's exactly my point. I shouldn't HAVE to PvP.  But the Zaishen chest forces us to, since there is no other way to get a Zkey other than buying from other players.  Players shouldn't be forced into a particular gameplay method.  Instead, aspects of the game that would cause such an instance should be made available to all gameplay types.  --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] Talk  02:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * not everything should have multiple doors Infested Hydralisk  02:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, you can get Zaishen Keys without playing any PvP at all, they are one of the rewards for Zaishen Coins which youcan get from the PvE Zaishen Quests, the Zaishen have more of a focus on PvP, so should they not give more keys to people who do the same? Besides, Guild Wars was build to be a PvP game, after all, look at how the Crystal Desert missions are just a tutorial for Heroes' Ascent, look at the early skill updates that would make something in PvE useless just so it wouldn't be overpowered in PvP, look at the old favour system. So no, you are not and should not be forced to do PvP, but you are missing out on a major part of the game and they should not have the same rewards availible.--Orry 00:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PvPing is a much quicker way to obtain keys, thats what im refering to. since Zaishen is PvP focused, it shouldnt have a too easy acces for PvE'ers. Infested Hydralisk  01:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)