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Well wishes for Linsey

 * Satanael: why not set up something in your own user space? You can let Linsey know about it through email (and let wikians know about it through pages like this). &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know, setting something up in my own space just doesn't seem like it will get through, especially since she doesn't seem to have even responded in her own space since last year. Also, I don't think opening it up for a couple of days would really invite that much bullshit, since most people who don't pay attention won't notice it anyway. ( Satanael |  talk ) 07:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Set it up in your feedback space; that way, if her page does open up, the page can be moved to a subpage of hers (no worries about legal issues) . If not, then it still might have better visibility to the rest of the ANet staff than anywhere else on the wiki. (The best reason: you can start it now, without waiting for admins here to discuss/debate/decide.) Good luck. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to see the current contents of Linsey's page moved to a locked temp page, and open up her talk page to new comments. I believe there would have to be more oversight however, to stop any discussion about Live Team issues that are no longer her responsibility. Putting this in someone else's userspace/feedback space, just doesn't make any sense. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  21:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Wyn. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]] 22:47, 2 Aug 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. We have no sign that Linsey even bothers to read her talkpage anymore, or that she has any interest left on the wiki (as expected). Opening her page again would only fill it with extremely long discussions between players with no input from Linsey herself (again), and any sysop oversight in order to prevent such behavior would be a waste of time as Linsey is likely not going to read it anyway.
 * In other words, too little, too late. Linsey is gone, and I doubt she will be back. Erasculio  00:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Erasculio has a point. If we open up that page, there may be some well wishes, but I get the feeling it will be overrun by off-topic convos and trolling by day's end. There may be positive output, but it will probably be greatly outweighed by off-topic randomness. Her inactivity on the wiki is enough reason for me, but the above cements it. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler  01:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "I believe there would have to be more oversight however, to stop any discussion about Live Team issues that are no longer her responsibility."

- green What part of that wasn't clear? There should be no player discussion about Live Team issues that are no longer her responsibility. As for indication that she reads her wiki page? Well, just how do you know Eras? It's been locked for a long time. I'm sure she read it all, she simply didn't have time to respond, so, it stayed locked. I don't see any harm in unlocking it to allow players to offer their best wishes on her new position, and/or thanks for her efforts on the Live Team. I personally think she would really like that. Oh.. and if the community is really so stupid that your predictions come true, then it just gets locked again.. end of discussion. -- Wyn  talk  03:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But why should we devote time and resources to moving topics and policing the page just to lock it again in the end? You can e-mail Linsey if you want to wish her well. That is not the wiki's function. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a completely neutral comment: The lock status of the talk page says nothing about Linsey's activity. She is able to edit the page when it is locked too. poke | talk 20:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't really want to create any undue drama with this suggestion, the idea is just to show our appreciation for Linsey, as a community. Taking considerations for abuse and utility are all fine and good when talking about more functional or permanent aspects of the wiki, but I'm talking about one subsection of a single talk page, to be opened up temporarily. Just open it up for a couple of days so we can say "congratulations, and thanks for all your hard work." This should not be a complicated decision, nor should it be controversial. It's a simple decision: are we a community that cares enough about the developers who dedicate their lives to giving our community purpose to provide them with a simple "thank you for your service", or aren't we? The fact that it's taken us over a week to even make this decision is absurd and, frankly, very disappointing. ( Satanael |  talk ) 04:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we are a community smart enough to not talk to someone who's not there to listen at all. Erasculio  05:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's where you are wrong. Look at how her page has developed up to the point it was locked, twice. Look at Regina's page. She's not posted in a month, but users still go to her page, knowing she probably won't answer, and post anyway. Those desperate for attention will post there, regardless of any warnings. While the idea is good, there are simply too many who would use the opportunity to fill the page with questions that will not be answered.--[[Image:User Pyron Sy sig.png|19px| ]] Pyron Sy 11:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * People gave up on Izzy eventually. Misery  12:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a note here. After speaking with Linsey, I believe this issue will probably be taken out of our hands (seeing as she has the ability to unlock the page), as she indicated that now that the wedding is past, and she's settling in to her new position, she has plans to deal with her talk page herself. So, I suggest we just table this discussion for the time being. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  13:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 02:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope... Guess again. She basically just said her new 60 hr/week schedule begins anew! ...I take this to mean she's been shifted back to the Gw2 team for whatever they were going to use Phinney for.  That means all this Gw1 talk might as well be opened and culled by the community b/c she won't be getting around to it.  Most of it infact could be moved piece-by-piece to the various Update note pages each section pertains to...  Wanna give that a try since it's all just mothballs now anyway?  -- ilr [[image:User_ilr_deprav.png]] 16:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Raine Valen & User:Oneshot
Telling someone to shut up is not a personal attack. Also, I don't see anything even remotely resembling a personal attack in Raine's vote? Unless you mean 'butthurt', but wtf? - Mini Me  19:36, 2 September, 2010 (UTC)

This is why people can't take you seriously. &mdash; Raine Valen    19:37, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * +1 Shadow Runner  19:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FFS scythe, why can't you just leave things alone? You "KNOW" that anything you say "stirs the pot".  Knowing that, you still talk, which derails legitimate conversations and functions here at the wiki.  Why can't you see that stopping completely and abstaining yourself from anything related to auron is not only good for the wiki, but also good for you? --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 19:45, 02 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is only more proof that this wiki needs Auron. Guys, he's an attention whoring troll. And he's terrible at it. You should see his stuff on PvX. Just ignore him and don't give him the satisfaction. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  19:46, 2 September 2010  (UTC)
 * If the community consensus determines that Scythe is nothing more than a constant troll with nothing positive to offer to the wiki, then he should be perma-banned. --Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 19:49, 02 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then alert the community :/ Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:54, 2 September 2010  (UTC)
 * i think we have established, KJ, that i am neither a dedicated troll (if i create drama the initial comment serves a legitimate purpose), and off-wiki actions dont belong here &mdash; Scythe  20:03, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * As the first admin to respond on the noticeboard, I have given my judgment of the situation. I don't think much more needs to be said. --JonTheMon 20:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * i thought this was done too, came to the talk page to explain what i considered a personal attack, however i dont feel like being trolled & creating that much drama, so, yeah... this is dead now &mdash;  Scythe  20:10, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * Problem: Not enough people are on our bandwagon.
 * Solution: Threaten them with death or permanent exile. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 3.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Scythe
Really, how much longer are we going to have to deal with this? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:55, 2 September 2010  (UTC)
 * As long as Auron is an admin. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 11:50, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly you've got it wrong. The more Auron we've got, the less retards can stay around semi-trolling, provoke attention and cry like this whenever they realize how nobody likes them. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">12:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand me. As long as Auron is in a position to ban people and delete pages there will always be people he pisses off. Its something he does rather well in case you haven't noticed. Not everyone he pisses off will just roll over and take it. There will always be someone opposing Auron, and doing it vehemently, as long as he is opposable. Same shit, different signature. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 12:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I could count those very valueable members of the community on my hand. You, Scythe, Alice? Happens to be my top 3 list of respectable and important people. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">12:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm so phased. Truly. Point stands. Oh and if you can count all of them on one hand your either very bad at counting or gifted with a very strange hand Because I can think of quite a few more than 5. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 13:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * &. There are the logs for deleting and blocking. Tell me which of those actions you(or those "other people") are objecting to and I will take your accusations seriously. Otherwise I have to assume your problem with Auron has nothing to do with his ability to block and delete pages in which case you are either very poor at expressing yourself or just attempting to stir up drama. <font color="#A55858">Misery  13:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Been done before. And I'm glad to see that you're taking this in a semi-serious tone. But the fact remains. As long as Auron remains in adminship, he will continue to do what he does best, piss people off. People will continue to fight back. It may not be me and it may not be scythe and it may not be alice and it may not be max and it may not be blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But some one will always be pissed off at Auron and ranting about it. Bringing me back to my original point, as long as he is an admin. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 13:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as someone does his job, there will be people pissed off. End of story. - Reanimated X 13:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Briar, he asked a simple question. Link to Auron abusing his sysop tools (deletion or block log) or stfu. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">13:30, 3 September 2010  (UTC)
 * KJ, its a simple answer, been done before. So stfu. <3 -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 13:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then link to it being done before, or it didn't happen. In any case, any events from before his previous reconfirmation are hardly relevant during this reconfirmation. At the moment people are claiming that he is only keeping his sysop rights because of a fan club, but it appears that the people who want him gone want him gone purely because they don't like him. Provide evidence to back up your claims or they will be ignored. <font color="#A55858">Misery  13:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Briar, it hasn't. Not once. You know why the question keeps getting answered? Because the best you can come up with is some mundane shit. Dominator matrix attempted to answer once and the best he could come up with was me voting neutral on his RfA with the reasoning "meh." The best scythe can come up with is links to movie references as evidence that I'm racist (and this is without providing evidence that my supposed racism interferes with my sysop duties).
 * The question remains. More importantly, it remains unanswered. Every time evidence has been called for, anything provided has been laughable. So if by "it has been done before," you are trying to say "people have provided links to shit that doesn't matter," then yes, it has been done before. But if you are trying to sit here and say that people have provided a single solid case against my work as sysop, complete with links to back it up, then I will sit right here and call you a liar.
 * The ball, as always, is in your court. The problem your crowd has had so far is you don't know what the fuck to do with the ball now that you have it. - Auron 13:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry did you think I was playing this game? Let me clear that up for you, I'm not. I'm done with you and your game Auron. I saw a question that I had the answer to, I answered it. And they all lived happily ever after, the end. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 13:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * An addendum to my previous statement, Its obvious what I think of auron both as a person and as a sysop. Anyone can figure that out. Its not hard. But I don't care anymore. Whether or not he's a good sysop is someone elses deal now, because its not mine. I don't care anymore. Take it up with someone else because it doesn't matter to me anymore. I'm going to contribute when I can. But as for this little feud between myself and Auron (indeed anyone on this site). Its over. done. End of story, goodnight folks, Tip your waitresses and have a safe drive home. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 14:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok.....or you could just link something, like you were asked. You know instead of making grandiose/ridiculous speeches. Seriously, just linking your evidence would prove him wrong. That's all you have to do. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:13, 3 September 2010  (UTC)
 * But that would be contributing to a feud thats long since been done. Which I'm refusing to do. -- Master   Briar  User Briar Sig 2.jpg 14:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok.....I wasn't aware that 15 minutes was a long time, but whatever. If you get evidence, it would still be wise to present it. Otherwise you just look like you hate Auron, which is baseless for your accusations and really just makes you look like a dick. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:21, 3 September 2010  (UTC)

would you care to take this to my talk page or yours? this doesn't really seem to be the place for it. In response though, I'm perfectly aware that I'm a dick. In all actuality I'm quite comfortable with that fact. Think Perry Cox in the earlier seasons of Scrubs. And I'm pretty sure that by now, anyone who knows anything about me (on this site) is well aware that I dislike Auron with an intensity that could possibly border on hate, but that just seems like to strong a word for some one that I view in the way I view Auron. As for this ridiculousness about "All you have to do is link it". I'm not going to. Why? Because thats far to much effort for little to no results. I've provided all manner of evidence before. Be it links, Ban records, Deletion records, Emails, Every correspondence that I've ever found distasteful. And it got me...? Nowhere. So I'm done. Not happening. If your so intent on finding something however, I'm sure that if you check this pages archives and my subsequent ban records You'll find at least 1 or 2 discrepancies.-- Master   Briar   14:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I have said on Auron's RfR page, nobody is going to dig through 50+ pages of block logs to find something that might resemble abuse of power. And even if someone does, it is highly subjective so it is pointless. 82.217.189.101 15:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's amusing how you're saying "it's been done before", while being completely aware that everyone who's done it before have failed to provide any actual proof. Effectively making you look dumb, as usual with you. -<font color="Black">Cursed Angel [[Image:User Cursed Angel Signature2.jpg|19px|Q.Q]] <font face="Arial" size="1">16:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason people generally have trouble linking specific things is because nearly every one of Auron's contributions lies somewhere on the assy spectrum. People have become so desensitized to it that they no longer react, and when something is linked they simply say "So what? That's nothing unusual." [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 23:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Auron's behavior has been pretty much the same since before he was elected bcrat a long time ago. Even knowing this, people still elected him admin after that due to his performance as bureaucrat.
 * It's not a matter of people becoming desensitized, it's just that people elected him precisely because of his non-carebear/asshat-borderline behavior.--Fighterdoken 23:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. Auron failed two RfAs in a row, and the main objection was his behavior. His behavior certainly hasn't improved since then, so it must be another factor that led to his eventual success. And although I can't seem to find the successful RfA (archives 1 and 2 both failed, and archive 3 is a RfR), I suggest that the reason was simply that he stayed around for so long that people became accustomed to it. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 00:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't around for the first two RfAs. I've read a lot of walls of text, but I'm not willing to go back 3 years to see everything that might have annoyed people and I cannot offer an opinion about whether his behavior is improved. But, isn't that completely and utterly moot? Isn't the question asked by an RfR, "does this wiki still want/need someone like this as an admin?" And it's easier to judge because we can actually see how they moderate, not just guess based on how they behaved as a contributor. In fact, I didn't support his last RfA because, at the time, I didn't think that someone who was vulgar and rude &mdash; or who seemed to hate the game so much &mdash; that someone like that was likely to put that aside to be a fair moderator.


 * I'm pleased to be wrong, especially after reviewing his actual actions as an admin. In part, Auron is good at handling certain types of trolling b/c he doesn't care if it pisses people off. But, that would lead to disaster if it wasn't tempered by his genuine desire to protect the wiki and the community. Much as a teacher has to isolate the disruptive kids in a class so that everyone else can learn. I respect what he does for the wiki.


 * I still think Auron is vulgar and rude; I'm not accustomed to it. If I were a b'crat or admin here, I imagine I would suspend him for the times he crosses the line as a contributor. I can separate that out from his efforts as an admin, with which I can find little to fault...and much to commend. (As noted, I'm willing to admit I might have missed an important event or three; I'm willing to read more WoTs if people post links.)


 * I can also see why not everyone is willing to distinguish Auron-admin from Auron-user. (Then again, he's not the only admin who likes to bait others on the website, he's not the only one who is sometimes rude, he's not the only one who has crossed such a line.) &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Climbin' on ur noticeboard, reportin' yo people up
This is getting really, really old, really, really fast. Can someone, like, do something? &mdash; Raine Valen    0:22, 11 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * If I were an sysop I'd perma-ban him, but I'm not, and I don't plan to be. --<font color ="#8b0701">Lania  [[Image:User Lania Elderfire pinkribbon.jpg]] 00:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</FONT>
 * there are two things stopping me from banning him, im not an admin, for one, and two i'd be personally involved, so; yeah it belongs on the AN... &mdash; Scythe  0:48, 11 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * Raine means you, not me. 207.182.131.34 01:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * you'd ban yourself if you were an admin? brb supporting. - Auron 01:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * no, i'd take a break from the wiki tho &mdash; Scythe  2:07, 11 Sep 2010 (UTC)
 * How long would that break be? - Mini Me  08:43, 11 September, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you'd become an admin then leave? I don't see the sense there, but it's been absent as a whole lately anyway. <font color="Black">Shadow <font color="Red">Runner  09:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Someone just start an arbcomm already and let's get it over with. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:41, 11 September 2010  (UTC)
 * http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AThe_Scythe_Has_Fallen - Tanetris 19:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Close enough. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:54, 11 September 2010  (UTC)

???
I think Adrin's comment wasn't preaching anything. But i do agree Auron blocking Silven for that is absurd... - J.P. Talk </b> 11:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Because nobody cares. 83.163.190.111 22:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Because things here are so corrupt it makes government look like nuns. <I>Ghosst</I>  [[Image:User_Ghosst_Ghosst_Sig.jpg|19px|I Make Dead People]]  •  Talk  •

Ryuu Desu

 * Permaban. Gogo. User Ryuu Classic R.jpg Ryuu  <font color="#999999"> -  Matters. ≡ 06:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Both of you can just cool it. You're not exactly innocent here, Zesbeer, but your response isn't appropriate either, Ryuu. Consider yourselves both warned. - Tanetris 06:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Or you could just permaban me for people obviously just trying to start trouble at any given opportunity where they might have a feasible case. User Ryuu Classic R.jpg Ryuu  <font color="#999999"> -  Matters. ≡ 06:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Since your block log is totally blank, we'll call this an official warning. Watch it in the future, pls.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  6:57, 27 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * Zes, seriously. You can't act the way you've been acting, then call NPA when your feelings get hurt.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  6:57, 27 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * my feelings are beside the point ryuu violated the npa. also any way that i am acting is in the eye of the beholder.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 06:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So, you're saying you don't feel personally attacked, but because your monitor suggests that perhaps you should feel personally attacked, your are thus personally attacked? Okay. User Ryuu Classic R.jpg Ryuu  <font color="#999999"> -  Matters. ≡ 07:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * To expand on that, your block log isn't quite so flawless: you've apparently got a history of "disruption; asshattery" (as per your block log). We'll call this a (second?  Third?  Last!) official warning: please knock it off.  Thanks.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  7:10, 27 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * what dose that block have anything to do with this oh that's right nothing. +Auron was abusing power and that block was uncalled for.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 07:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are being disruptive and acting like an asshat. It seems very relevant, to me.  So, again, knock it off.  Thanks.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  7:21, 27 Nov 2010 (UTC)
 * how am i being disruptive? or a asshat? all i am doing is pointing out that they violated npa.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 07:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Shut the hell up. It's been dealt with. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 07:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No. This kind of shit is why I opposed Raine, and this shows why I was right. Equal people means equal judgment. Just because Ryuu is Raine's buddy does not mean he is not my equal. Proper judgment means observing the violation and making a punishment based on that. Being impartial. I do not see anything like that here.  Koda  [[Image:User_Koda_Kumi_UT.jpeg‎|19px]]  Kumi  11:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * i didnt even know raine was one and if i would have known she was requesting 2 months ago i would have opposed i also like that she put that up and got confirmed in about 9 days seems very short. didn't realize that is how it is ftl-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 12:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * i know i cant speak for myself here, but, Comas? --<span style="background-color: Lavender; -moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border: 1px solid #c7c7c7; padding: 0 5px;"> Neil  • User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 12:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * don't care.-[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 12:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, stop posting here unless you have something to add. Thanks! - Auron 13:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)