Guild Wars Wiki talk:Projects/Quests

Rising in the Ranks: Master Sergeant
A few days ago, while tagging quest pages to be created, I noticed that Mike's bot had used the name Rising in the Ranks: Master Sergeant for one of the quests; GuildWiki has Rising in the Ranks: Sunspear Master Sergeant as the title. Any idea which is the correct one? --Dirigible 01:23, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I noticed the change also, so I checked around the internet and found that other sites have it listed as Rising in the Ranks: Sunspear Master Sergeant. --Sktbrd341 01:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Apparently it was just Master Sergeant after all. See Talk:Rising in the Ranks: Master Sergeant. --Dirigible 13:19, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Flamingo-ing...
In a similar vein, which is the correct quest title? Flamingo-ing... going... gone. or Flamingoing... going... gone? Other wiki has the former including hyphen and fullstop at end. I don't have any starter NF characters far enough along to check it out. --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 23:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Blech, having the new quest infobox auto cat is showing up some conflicts: is it A Friend In Need (all title case), or A Friend in Need small i on 'in'? And whose bright idea was it to make two quests To The Rescue and To The Rescue! yeah I can see they're different quests, but still... --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 23:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * guildwiki says its Flamingo-ing... going... gone. and it also says its A Friend In Need. But i am not really sure myself. If I didn't have so much school work I would be doing a lot more research on all of these questions. If I come across it in the game I will definitely make note of it. --Sktbrd341 00:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just looked at my nightfall character and he has the quest a friend in need and it is a lower case i which means A Friend in Need is the correct page. --Sktbrd341 00:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Checking this list in the Game Link section shows Quest 612 Flamingo-ing... going... gone. Quest 621 A Friend in Need - Thulsey  [[Image:User Thulsey good.gif|Zheng]] - talk 01:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The quest integration list might say that it is that way the only concern that I have about that is who compiled that list and where did they get the quest names. --Sktbrd341 03:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If I understand correctly, the integration list is used by the in-game help system that links to those pages and then redirects to the appropriate quest article here on the wiki. If it's been supplied by Anet, then it can probably be considered definitive and correct.  User:Dirigible (our soon to be new bureaucrat) setup the integration page, so maybe drop 'em a line... --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 13:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of the information on the different Game integration pages is indeed from ANet; Mike O'Brien (talk) used a bot to create all those redirect pages from the source-code data of GW. I simply pulled out the redirects for each article he had created so we could monitor it from our Game Integration pages. And yeah, most of the time those names should be correct in the ANet version. Still worth double-checking in case there was some mistake somewhere, though, even if it seems a bit unlikely. --Dirigible 09:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Both issues fixed now: the incorrect title flamingo quest deleted, and A Friend In Need renamed with redirect from the incorrect case article. --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 08:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Speak with Headmaster <...>
Not sure if this is really that important. There is a little inconsistency with these Factions quests. Some of them have a capitalize With and the rest are lowercase. I don't recall off the top of my head which ones were capitalized. Tedium 08:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Based off what Dirigible says above and checking the quest integration page, it looks as if Headmaster Kaa is the only one that should be caps "Speak With", all others should be "Speak with", but I guess redirects should be put into place (if missing) to cover the alternative cases of "with". --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 12:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok I got around to checking it in game and the results are Speak With Headmaster Amara (Monk) and Speak With Headmaster Kaa (Mesmer). The rest have a lowercase "with". Tedium 18:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Teh bot goodness
Anyway, I've started up a bot to help out some with the quest redirect things that Mike flooded us with (see User:PepeGoesWikibotting), and I'm planning to put an empty template (according to the formatting guide) to make it a little easier to add information to those (anyway, they're at Category:Quests with no data). The system I've set up is really, really good at doing repetitive tasks, so if there's something like that I can help with (i.e. adding stubs, changing a template, fixing misspellings), tell me on the talk page of either of my accounts and I'll set up a run. Of course, this is all pending bot-status approval, so I'll be waiting for Tanaric or LordBiro to set that up for me. While it works right now, I don't really want to flood RecentChanges =P MisterPepe talk 02:08, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I wonder if 'fixing' the new quest infobox is something this would be good at? Especially breaking the old singlie line 'given by' parameters into the two new 'given by' and 'given at' parameters.  Maybe also converting the single type=master parameter into type=Secondary and master=y parameters?
 * I was going through some of the quests and adding the given at parameter and was thinking the same thing but then I noticed that a lot of the quests don't have that information filled in yet. But I guess for the ones that do have it, it would be good to use a bot. --Sktbrd341 23:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Proposed on the bot request page, and underway as I write! --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 20:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hurray for flooding of my email inbox. LOL well less redundent work i have to do. --Sktbrd341 20:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Editors
I've been uploading/update several quest over the last couple weeks (mainly Torment so far), plan to do a bunch of others in coming weeks from NF and Factions. Is it ok to add myself as an Editor? --BramStoker 14:39, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Certainly! --Dirigible 14:59, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I've also been submitting information for quests as I come across one that needs info - you really only get one shot at dialogue, for instance... Who updates the Todo and Comments in the list? I haven't, but I could start. And can I be an editor too? :) Thulsey 02:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You can put your name up under the editors too if you want to help and feel free to edit the information for the ToDo and the comments. I myself have all of the quests on this page on watch so if I see anything updated I usually look over every bodies edit and either correct formatting problems or make note of what needs to be finished. --Sktbrd341 02:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was wondering how you were always there minutes after I was. :) Thanks for the format updates, btw. Keeping me on my toes... Thulsey 02:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions about quests
Well I have two questions.
 * 1. Are we going to sort quests in any way? Because they really look ugly the way they are.
 * 2. Where are the Sorrow's Furnace quests? I was looking to update them but they aren't even listed there.

Sith talk 12:45, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * The quests are sorted by the Campaign and then by the Region in the game. I am not sure where the Sorrows Furnace quests are I will look into them. The only thing I can tell you is just search for the page in the search box and then fill it in that way. --Sktbrd341 12:48, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Hmm they are repeatable prophecies quest judging by GW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Sorrow%27s_Furnace . Sith talk 13:26, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * File under Northern Shiverpeaks? --BramStoker 13:37, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * According to the Regions article Sorrow's Furnace is part of the Southern Shiverpeaks, For now I will put the in there. --Sktbrd341 13:39, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

My bad :) My monk still has to complete To Sorrow's Furnace, and it appears under Southern Shiverpeaks quests in the log. --BramStoker 19:37, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Copyright violation and tagged for deletion
As in Passage Through The Dark River. What happens here? Is the whole article going to need to be re-done, or just this one part? Happen to have it active and don't want to waste time filling out information we don't need, but also don't know exactly how to proceed. I'm still documenting it, just in case. - Thulsey   - talk 15:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The only thing that is marked as copyrighted is the walkthrough itself. I am not sure of procedures with this but I would just delete the walkthrough and they copyright tag and add in your own walkthrough that you wrote. --Sktbrd341 18:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-primary Primary Quests
Going through the Crystal Desert starting with Sands_Of_Souls and Into the Unknown I've noticed that though these are Primary quests in the sense of moving the story along, they don't show up as Primary Quests in the Quest Log, but rather Crystal Desert Quests. Do we change them to Secondary Quests in the infobox? (I already did Sands Of Souls, but realized there may be more and want to get a consensus before I change them. - Thulsey   - talk 09:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If the quests are not under the Primary header in the quest log, then they aren't primary quests. For now, I've been listing those side quests as Secondary. I suppose that's fine until whatever is decided in the discussions regarding the new infobox. I checked Into the Unknown and it is in fact listed under Crystal Desert, so it is Secondary. I don't remember what Sands Of Souls was, but it should be Secondary if it's listed under Crystal Desert. Tedium 09:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Move lists into subpages
I feel like this page is getting too big and it flags the warning that there may be trouble editing. I'm not having any trouble editing, but others might. So I'm wondering if we should move the quest lists into subpages: We can leave the rest of the information where it is and just add links to the subpages. Tedium 23:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Quests/Core
 * Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Quests/Prophecies
 * Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Quests/Factions
 * Guild_Wars_Wiki:Projects/Quests/Nightfall
 * Funny you mention this because I was thinking the same thing last night as I was looking through some of the quest pages. I think it would be less overwhelming for others that might want to edit this project page. I will go a head and move them. --Sktbrd341 00:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok sounds good. Tedium 00:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you think about the festival quests should they get their own subpage. --Sktbrd341 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well they are unique enough that they could be in their own category, but they are also tied to a campaign. So we could either make a subpage or put them in the appropriate campaign and just maybe make a subheading "Festival." I guess it depends on what's more convenient for everybody. I'm fine with either way. Tedium 00:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Its a good point that you brought up that they are part of the different campaigns so I will move them to the appropriate campaign. --Sktbrd341 00:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Gotta go watch those pages now... ;) - Thulsey  [[Image:User Thulsey good.gif|Zheng]] - talk 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Stubmarker removal
Is there any guidelines on when a stubtag can be removed? Because i might have missed it but i can not find out when a stub marker can be removed. Silencio 08:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt anyone has made a policy about that, can't remember one and shouldn't be needed. Informally, you remove it when all the areas of GWW:QUESTS, besides notes and trivia, are filled out. Backsword 12:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes Backsword is correct, when everything in the quest policy is filled out excluding trivia and notes is when it is safe to remove the tag. -- Sktbrd341 17:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That is really nice! I have seen already some quests with a stubmarker while all that info was filled out. Now i can start removing those while i am checking out those quests :D. Tnx on the info. Silencio 18:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking for Trouble or Looking For Trouble
I noticed this today. Not sure which one has the correct capitalization. I guess merge the info and the wrong capitalization becomes a redirect. It would also be a good idea to check Guild Wars Wiki:Game integration/Quests to make sure it has the right name just in case. Tedium 11:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Every where that I have looked shows that it is Looking For Trouble its listed on gamewikis that way and also the game intergration page its also listed that way too. I say we should us the all caps and then just have a redirect on Looking for Trouble and if anybody finds out that it is the other way around we can always change it back. -- Sktbrd341 13:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok the info has been merged and Looking for Trouble is now a redirect. Like you say, if it's wrong it can be easily fixed. Tedium 10:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing quest notices from dialogue
Is perfectly fine with me, and should if so be done with solo quest too, updating the info box.

However, the accepted formatting guide for quests still states that "any" info is to be copied. (And in fact demands it should be bolded). Since it has a sort of official status, if you want a change, take it to Guild_Wars_Wiki_talk:Formatting/Quests Backsword 13:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Template for quest lists
So I made a template which I hope would make it easier to update and maintain our quest lists. Right now it's at User:Tedium/Sandbox2. Basically, just put a y if the section is done and put n or blank if it's not. Below is an example of what it would look like.

Just wanted your guys thoughts before I update the lists. Tedium 00:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it I support it maybe move the template into the template section so then we don't have to use the User:Tedium/Sandbox2 part. I can help update them if you want me to we could split it by the different campaigns. -- Sktbrd341 06:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I moved the template to Template:Quest checklist and updated the description. Technically, you don't have to put an n, but I put it as a placeholder. I'll start with the Factions list for now. Tedium 21:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sweet I started changing over Nightfall's page I will finish it throughout the day while I am in classes. -- Sktbrd341 15:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've tried to convert all the old form entries in the Pre-searing list to the new form. I had a small problem that I describe in Template talk:Quest checklist.  There is (and was with the old form too) a problem that the template does not support the proposed review mechanics.      mtew 21:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * With it's current form, it is difficult, if not impossible to add new categories to be checked. On the other hand, the display format is excellent.      mtew 21:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Haven't been around to much for a while. The quests in the old format that are striked through means that all of the information has been filled. That is how it was done way before Tedium had made any such template for marking the quests. -- Sktbrd341 18:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That was what I suspected.  I will be making some changes to the Quest checklist template to allow for more options without requiring any changes to anything that uses it now.  Discussion should probably be continued on the talk page there.      mtew 18:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

DPL lists
So I've been meaning to keep the quest lists up to date, but unfortunately, it's becoming more of a hassle. I'm working on a DPL list that will be self-maintaining as long as the appropriate templates and categories are added to each quest. This should cut out the annoying maintenance work so only editing the quest pages is needed. I'm not planning on deleting the old lists right now, but I'm going to be using them less. I'm sorry for the extra work I had you guys do in converting the old lists to templates, but in the end it's not working out for me. The DPL list for Factions quests is currently at User:Tedium/Sandbox2 in the 10:09, 8 March 2008 history (I'm not having it displayed right now until I finish going through all the quests and tagging them. That way the DPL isn't constantly being updated. Then I'll copy the page into the quest project namespace). If you guys want to help tackle the other campaigns, I would appreciate it. Basically, just need to add Category:Overview needed, Category:Walkthrough needed, Category:Objectives needed,, to all the quest pages where needed. Tedium 10:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great idea Tedium I have been slowing down on my editing of the quest project pages because it is such a hassle. I was trying to do the DPL stuff a while back but was very unsuccessful. I think it would be cool if there was a way to get the DPL list of the quests to use the same template that you have recently created. Not sure if it is possible to do that but hey if it isn't then just as long as the lists update themselves and is easy to understand what needs to be done I am down. -- Sktbrd341 02:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to think of a way to generate the template, but I can't imagine it being trivial. I can get the categories a quest page belongs to with DPL, but I would need to somehow break that up and test if the quest is not in any of the x needed categories. The comments wouldn't work unless we wrote them on the quest page, which I think we shouldn't. It may be possible to generate something similar to the template. I'll play around with DPL some more and see if I can make any progress. Tedium 05:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I now have two report generators using DPL. One checks the category tags and generates a checklist table. I had a lot of help from Tedium on this one. The other one is more comprehensive. It is controlled by $($Guideline item|...$)$ entries embedded in the formatting guide. The status of each quest page is recorded on the associated discussion page. I have put status information on a few quests so far and you can see the report on Pre-Searing Prophecies Report.     mtew 10:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)