Feedback talk:Game updates/20100526

Nooo! Those cool huge minions are gone! D:--84.24.103.169 21:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I kinda liked the huge bone horrors lol.66.41.233.167 21:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Should I be scared of gold text warning me of botting? Eive [[Image:User_Eive_Windgrace_Harbinger_of_the_Deceiver.png|19px|Talk]] Windgrace  21:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Everyone got the gold text, I'm just wondering if it will be constantly there like the Guild announcement when you close the client and logg in -- Find And Seek  [[image:user Find_And_Seek sig.png]] 21:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * RIP, huge minions. ;-; ♥ Tyloric ♣ 23:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I loved those huge minions too. :( To bad they are gone now.  Raminator Chick  [[Image:Pain Inverter.jpg|25px]] 04:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Darn, I'm gonna miss interrupting attack skills with Power Leak :P C Bear 22:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

tbh I agree, minions that size was great although F Golems do not look good that size lol... maybe they should just make flesh golems larger :D--&#124; Moscow &#124; 21:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * They're finally doing something about botting (or at least doing it visibly to the community). Two thumbs up. Razor39999 21:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * What is this, I update client and go in LA, and Dhuum appear near me and kill me! After that I disconnect from account and banned. I dont use bots and third party programs...FAIL ANET! Operkot Assasin 21:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Would this be you? http://i45.tinypic.com/8wysg5.jpg --Wolfdm3 21:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I didn't get that botting message where does it appear? Or am i just too awesome to get the message ^^ Yay Killing Charr talk 21:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeh, Dhuum came around almost every town with bots and kill them and disconnected them.-- Nei l2250  ,    Portal Jumper User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:49, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * wow i missed that...--&#124; Moscow &#124; 21:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Botters deserve everything they get, even if its the former god of the Underworld coming to claim their souls. So that's where he gets his army recruits...--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 21:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh man, I hope his appearance wasn't a one-off, cos I missed it D: -- smøni  21:55, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Dito, i hope more pictures surface soon, Also! go check bergin hot springs A-E-1!! EMPTY.!!! -- Nei l2250  ,    Portal Jumper User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Must've been fun to watch Dhuum mindlessly mowing down the bots and scammers like that. And R.I.P. giant Boner Horrors. - Ross  [[Image:User Dingwall15 sig.png]]  Dingwall  21:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm going to miss the giant Bone Minions. --Wolfdm3 21:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Dhuum took his giant minions that went missing back home and replaced them with the normal minions.-- Nei l2250  ,    Portal Jumper User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 21:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I fear anet my go off the deap end like Jagex (makers of Runecape (Ruinedscape)) and destroy most of there game to get rid of most of the bots I myself use textmod and the GW multi launch and my very well be banned if they decide we cant use any 3 party stuff 69.14.228.169 22:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * One, they've never shown a problem with TexMod. Two, you can just regedit to run multiple instances of Guild Wars. --Wolfdm3 22:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Your good for Texmod. It has been confirmed as a tool that is not against the rules, they just don't support it if it breaks your game client. Kairu 22:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * (reset indent) They would be obligated to tell people then that third party programs are not allowed. It would require them to change their game policy, which requires them to tell us in some way.--Neithan Diniem User Neithan Diniem Sig.png]] 22:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * They have. It is in all the agreements that you sign. Technically they could ban you for TexMod, but they have sanctioned it as allowed because it doesn't do anything beyond changing textures. Kairu 22:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Creative, and awesome to watch =D. awesome. Nicely done ANet =)  ~ PheNaxKian  22:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * So sad I missed it! I'd have LOVED to have seen that.  I hope it happens each time a botter gets banned.  ^_^  Just . . . shouldn't it be Grenth doing that, not Dhuum, seeing as Grenth's supposed to be the god of justice and the one who judges people?--Res 00:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no ingame model of Grenth (the actual god), and the live team is running on empty so there's no possibly way they will design a new character model unless they're making you pay for it Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
 * They have some models of his avatar, though. Like, the one the dervs turn into, or the one that appears when you kneel by his shrine or during Wintersday.  They could have used one of them. --Res 00:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. But the avatar of a dervish is just a represenation of the god and the avatar at ToA is in fact one of Grenth's Reapers.  Doesn't really count, though it could I suppose, but with fumes in your tank, Dhuum was the more impressive option.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 01:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Little worried about the way they scan through them though. Is it text related? If someone says "selling X accounts" they get banned now? Because what if you were to say "Ha, look at that guy SELLING X ACCOUNTS FOR 100k, he's sooo gonna get it" - and then you get banned. Not saying I would (too afraid now anyway!!) Future [[Image:User_Future_Signature.png]] 06:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't wory. NCSoft's highly competent Secretive Game Defense Agency is taking care of us and getting rid of evil-doers.  It's not at all about appearances or marketing.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Botters Down
3,700 botters banned, grenth pops up and slays them with a scythe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFYug8nXcM | 68.193.46.141 22:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Waldir
 * Still some in Bergen Hot Springs American Dist 1 [[Image:User_Noggieca_sig.png|User:Noggieca]] Noggieca 01:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * o_o –Jette 04:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude his name is Dhuum User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K  When  Needed 09:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I Still see some bots mainly on Asian Districts, is it wrong for me to wait near them and wait for Dhumn to pop up? Or go to Kurzick JQ where theres laods of bots normaly... Would be awesome to go bot hunting just for that >_> Am I a cruel person? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.243.138.135 (talk).
 * While you're waiting, /report them. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 12:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Match Manipulation
So you disbanded [ball]? Yes? Right? You did, didn't you? Cause I mean you said you banned people who manipulated matches so it goes without saying you would disband [ball], correct...? Guys??

Also what is going on with dhuum? Is it a new automated anti-bot script or did you just rip me off of another once in a lifetime easter egg like pyro gwen? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 23:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, does this count in lore as Dhuum possibly gaining a foothold in Tyria or is it just a gwen-like easter egg? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Their blog post indicated that multiple guilds were also disbanded. I doubt you'll be seeing Dhuum regularly, but Gaile did say it was "easy", so maybe you can arrange for an appearance at your birthday party? -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * At the core of all the sarcasm, the question is if synching is match manipulation and if Arena Net plans on doing anything serious about it. I'm kind of sick of [ball] members wearing their Skillz title as if anyone is impressed to any degree that a member of [ball] attained it.  Also Dhuum bday parties, awright!  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And could you please clarify as to what exactly is "easy"? Making Dhuum appear?  So it's an automated script?  When does it run until?  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Originally Gaile had just mentioned that it was easy, meaning that vast resources were not expended to make Dhuum appear. However, it has been posted here (3rd party) that Dhuum will continue to appear in game to ban accounts. So, some combination of the above. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh god awesome. Hiring botters for my birthday party!  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 1.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just don't pay them in real money. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 00:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

So awesome! HAHA now go to Kamadan AD1 and ban them  "BUYING GW ACCOUNTS 900K, WOW TRIAL 600K"  Blah blah botters, they're really annoying!
 * I heard that some people were banned for using textmod O__O Is it true ? I thought it was allowed, as there's even a link on this official wiki... Exaplanations, anyone ? 213.166.209.6 09:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They probably lied. If they feel that is not the case, they need to take it to the support team. The support team will not give a 100% yes or no, because their statements can then be misconstrued. However, on Guild Wars Guru, Regina replied that the original code of these programs is safe, but if they've been changed, they can't guarantee the safety of your account. If all else fails and you don't know if something is a bannable offense, just don't do it. --Wolfdm3 09:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel bad for support, because the vast majority of those banned (legitimately) for botting are going to be pulling the TexMod/KSMod card, trying to say that they were using those programs instead. Good news, they're used to high volume, seeing as no one seems to be able to remember what they named their characters. -- FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 12:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If anet is allowed to design shitty titles like Cartographer we should be allowed to use Texmod. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 14:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * For years Anet has said that .dll injection was a "use at your own risk" kind of venture. Using textmod, KSMod, Multi-launcher, etc. has always led to accidental bans, but that's not Anet's fault. They have been warning the community for years that using those programs could eventually result in a ban. Karate [[File:User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:34, 27 May 2010  (UTC)
 * TexMod is still not prohibited by ANet. I used texmod a bunch over the period of time leading up to and following the wave of bans, but I wasn't targeted.  Just using texmod isn't going to get you banned unless ANet changes their minds on a whim, which is not very likely.  For that matter, I used other programs including CheatEngine (memory editor), KSMod, and SMurf's d3d9.dll program, but was not banned.  I can tell you from having hacked half the game apart that ANet goes through rigorous testing before deciding to drop the hammer on someone.  Mistakes are relatively infrequent.  –Jette 19:39, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't answer the questions!! Let them live in fear!!  *FEMA camp'd*

GZ
Congrats Anet and thank you for a nice laugh! Idmz 10:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

DUMB
right...gj anet, just another 3700 peopple who ARE NOT going to buy GW2... --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Etnys (talk).
 * Partially correct. Another 3700 people who willingly and knowingly violated the ToS are not going to buy GW2. -- Arduin  [[Image:User_Arduin_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 13:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A well, their ideas and their way of saying we don't want botters or guild wars buyers. It was getting boring anyway 194.151.163.64 13:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're not considering the number of people that will reconsider buying GW2 after seeing the commitment to banning people that aren't playing the game correctly. <font color="Black">-- <font color="#0104C6">FreedomBound [[Image:User_Freedom_Bound_Sig.png|19px]] 14:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention it was 3700 accounts, not necessarily 3700 people. I suspect that some of those who only got an alt account banned will still buy GW2. In fact, I don't see why some who got completely banned won't buy GW2; by the time it's released their anger might have cooled off and they'll be tempted by all the attention the game will get getting. *shrug* --Mme. Donelle 19:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * By the time GW2 is released (thats prob somewhere 2015) all those ppl will be playing different games. Almost my entire guild was banned, and none of them is gonna play gw2 (~35 REALLY active players). I wonder how the in-game economy is doing right now. Etnys 20:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And good riddance to them. I hope to hell I don't see them in GW2. 66.243.207.123 20:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean 35 REALLY active bots? The game is better off without your guild of cheaters. Good riddance.

Banned, not deleted?
I took names of some people that I knew botted or actually saw get owned by Dhuum and to my surprise, you can still add them as friends. So this either means that A) some of them weren't banned and B) the accounts are still active, just not able to be used. Now what would be the point of the latter? Can't they just prune accounts... I know that some might be actually innocent after all so there might be a waiting period but after a while, can't they just actually delete the whole damn thing? Reminds me of the bug where I can't get a character with a certain name since it's apparently in use, yet when you try to add the person as a friend, it says no such name exists. Plus I want to try names from my list of spotted botters and leeches and see if they are still alive. Previously Unsigned 13:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Being banned means you can't log in, that's it. They don't delete accounts, which is why bans can be reversed at any time.  Banned characters are never removed.  –Jette 14:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh that's smart. Hello shrinking availability of names! Previously Unsigned 14:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Put 3 hyper rare minis into the game"


 * "Ban the accounts that got them"


 * 8D Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 14:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In all fairness, though, these miniatures are only hyper rare because they've just been added to the game. As time progresses and more are acquired they will become 'just' rare... What I'm curious about is how the ingame economy is going to react. A lot of gold and ecto's have effectively been removed from the game, for instance, along with a number of distributors of said things. I expect this to have some influence. Twam Valandil 94.209.65.245 14:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I think he (she?) meant the ones like that candy corn golems and mini Kanaxai. A lot of accounts actually have been banned holding super-rare minis, since apparently players would rather use bots to farm 10M ectos than actually work for them.  I hope they don't do dumb crap like that in the next game, minis that only a small handful of players ever get to enjoy don't really enrich the game.  –Jette 14:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Banning accounts with Mini Vizu... Making henchman tonics tradeable... the list goes on and on and it's just stupid.  This game caters towards the rich.  White Wasabi buys every mini in the game and he gets all of LA to crowd around him and applaud his ability to press "accept trade".  3,700 accounts worth of shit being removed from the game just means the rich are going to get richer thanks to the inflating prices of the hyper-rares that are effortlessly acquired through power-trading.
 * Here's a great fucking idea and no one had to pay me to think of it. Take the shit you're effectively removing from the game and make new contests (like artwork or tournaments) and put them up as a prize.  Maybe then a legitimate player will be able to actually earn their fortunes.  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Already seen that idea 60 times. You're a brain thief. [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 17:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Legitimate player HAHAHAHAHAHA Etnys 17:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How true, how true. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer if they merely added the "ultra-rare" minipets in the game permanently. In some form or another. Hall of heroes chest, Zaishen chest, or buyable via zaishen coins. (all at either extremely high numbers (huge numbers of gold zcoins or extremely low drop rates) 70.181.74.64

there not deleted because legally the account holders own the property of the account, even violating the ToS doesn't give them the right to fully remove the account. anet offer the service to players it doesnt mean they have the right to their property. anet bypass this law by banning the account, the account is still in-tact and still the users property but unable to access the game server. all of the banned accounts are still stored on the servers wasting space because until the servers are shut down and GW is closed for good because by law they have to stay there, otherwise anet's in for a long lawsuit by thousands of hackers with the right to have their account there, and if they won the lawsuit there account would most likely be re-activated. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:202.67.121.29 (talk).
 * Ignoring the fact that this page is now mostly ignored, you might want to actually read the EULA. It makes it very clear that everything related to Guild Wars is owned by ArenaNet and users are simply being allowed to use it. That is why they are able to completely bar access to someone's account if they see fit. An account is simply a person paying for the ability to access ArenaNet servers and use their property, which, as the EULA states, can be prevented if and when ArenaNet deems fit. They don't delete accounts right away in the off chance that someone has been wrongfully banned, making it simply a matter of unbanning them instead of trying to restore the data. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 02:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

i dont sign my comments
The little town of guildwarsington used to be a calm and orderly. But one day a criminal mastermind came to town known as Gangsta Willy Carmine Anderson. The 3 fruity police officers were overwhelmed and almost completely stopped arresting criminals for many months. They nabbed a few now and then, but only the ones that were brought to their doorstep with blatant evidence and testimony of watchful citizens. They let murderers, thieves and criminals run rampant.

Good citizens of many years turned to a life of cheating and crime to stay affluent, competitive in sport or just make life easier. Many of their acquaintances were already involved in illicit activity and benefiting greatly from it. Some criminals hired many goons to do their dirty work for them (with a strange side effect of the government receiving lots of new money). The land became lawless.

The city officials finally after almost a year, realized they needed to do something. They hired new numbers and planned the greatest mass arrest operation in all of internetopia's history. The Law, strengthened by new numbers and a really big scythe, was able to arrest all of the criminals at once. For better or for worse, those that were caught shoplifting were given the same sentence as those who murdered 1000s of people - life.

The civilians who had the strength to resist as well as those that didn't do the dirty work themselves (but just used their goons, smart buggers), rejoiced as their town became safe again. But they glanced around and realized many of their neighbors, coworkers, even bosses were forever gone. The town used to be alive and prosperous. Now it was desolate and quiet.

Some of the jailed are planning their escape and will be successful. Many criminals will return, using either outdated or more sophisticated and undetectable methods. And the law enforcement in time will run dry as they move to a new town.

The townies rejoice now, but the crime will inevitably be back, and worse. There may not be any one left to move to the new guildwarsington being built a few miles away.

TY Anet for being so thoughfull. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Etnys (talk).
 * oicwatudidthere --Curin Derwin 15:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * u do? clever boy =D GW got boring anyway Etnys 15:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OMG i just realised that i didnt get "reaped". When i wanted to log in it just said i was banned ZOMG! I WANNA GET R(E)APED BY DHUUM!!! Etnys 17:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You were reaped in your sleep Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My ex-wife always got pissed because I did that a lot, too. It may have had something to do with the divorce.  –Jette 17:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * cool story bro --I'm too awesome to sign my comments also.


 * Ever heard of VAC? They love waiting months, sometimes years before banning accounts. The idea is that it allows them to build up a strong case against anyone, and gives people a false sense of security around the hacks and cheats. Essentially, it allows them to weed out all those foolish enough to think they can get away with trying to cheat the system.
 * The story seems also to forget something; everyone was committing a crime punishable with a "life sentence" and knew about it.
 * I'm sorry but, just because they haven't been actively banning players, it doesn't make it any less against the EULA. Botting and other such activities have always been a bannable offence. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 21:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I wonder...
Where they got the idea? Enoxon 23:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Both games are from the exact same parent company. Also EMILIE AUTUMN Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 23:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The idea of having some cool effect when a person is banned is far from new. I remember a Gmod server where they had the "Ban Train" where a train would appear and run over the person getting banned. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 00:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Gmod is probably the best game ever. I built a "ban cage" once where you can set it to target a dickhead, and when you turn it on it teleports to them so that they're inside, and strips all of their weapons and devices if they try to noclip out, and then turns off no-clip.  hardcoar  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:User Aliceandsven 2.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)