Talk:Doppelganger

Isn't the Doppelganger a Demon? He looks like one tough. 68.83 03:12, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * The Doppelganger no longer uses a bow at long range. He uses a purple...baton thing. I think I heard somewhere it's a Realm of Torment weapon, though I don't know as my dervish only got to the RoT recently.
 * I always saw the Doppelganger is "your evil self". Kinda spiritual. I also noticed he used some sort of spear. -- [[Image:User Karuro Icon.png]] Karuro 13:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Drops.
He just droped a Tower Shield for me, in Hard Mode. Backsword
 * dropped a white Long Sword for me in normal mode. Firadesunna
 * gave me a monk tome in HM. My character was a W/Me (not W/Mo, tyvm!) Shihab Ashald

Edited Samiel 00:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

He just dropped a Ball Hammer for me,req 11, blunt 17-31. -Salamisters1000

He just dropped me a easter bunny ^.^ 202.78.155.235 07:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Droped me a Holy Staff (and a pretty good one)98.246.29.12 02:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Just dropped Ram's Hammer. &mdash;  Ciborg   12:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

He dropped a Monk Tome. (I was playing as Assasin :P) --62.152.145.213 13:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * did you screen it? →Darklɘs  McChaosmongɘr  00:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary since we already have a screenshot for that. Just look some topics further down. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i know, but another instance would help the non-beleivers beleive --→Darklɘs  McChaosmongɘr  00:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the screen: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3261/gw009.jpg (look at chat box) Browcio 21:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Not using PvE skills?
I have seen him use Vampirism ^Tycko 13:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll bet that just means he has 0 in the title track of the PvE skill. 71.204.179.26 03:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

i verified not all but a lot of pve only skills, so far the doppelganger can only use vampirism, level 8 ( rank 8 sunspear is equivalent of 12 in an other atribute following signet of illusions)

but the pve only skills are anyway in his barr, so pve spells can be steal with Arcane Larceny. lussh 09:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

On the Doppelganger's page it states "It cannot use any PvE-only skills (except Vampirism and Winds, which will be level 9)", however on Augury Rock's page we can read "The Doppelganger cannot use any PvE-only skills (except Vampirism at level 8)"... So, level 8 or 9 ? (and if it can use Winds maybe that should be added on Augury Rock's page) 213.166.218.168 22:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

new update "Fixed a bug that caused the Doppelganger to use Vampirism." --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.150.44.19 (talk).

As a monk...
How can I defeat this one on hard mode as a monk? The healing breeze thing doesn't work anymore... -- Sorcix the Lazy 20:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC) if u have ranger as your 2nd profession take a pet that is how i did it. --Shadowphoenix 15:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Especially easy: Domination 12, all other attributes to 0. Put just Empathy and Restfull Breeze on your skill bar. He attacks, you don't = you win. Eth 03:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Weapon wields
it uses the well known chaos axe, and for the spear, it happen to be a tormented lussh 09:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Split?
Do you think we should split this page into doppleganger (male) doppleganger (female)? --Shadowphoenix 15:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they're one entity, just different sexes. That'll be like saying split Ranger or Monk because there are female rangers and monks. There's no difference between the male and female versions apart from the fact the male appears for males and the female appears for females. --[[Image:User Brains12 Spiral.png|15px| ]] Brains12 \ Talk 15:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was just wondering. Now that I think about it, we should keep it lol.  --Shadowphoenix [[Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg|19px]] 17:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

HP
How much health does it have? If it's written there I'm sorry, just didn't find it. Ninjas In The Sky 20:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

i suppose 480 in normal and 680 in hard, i'll try to find out, but i think it is that. lussh 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * confirmed, it is 480 and 680. lussh 04:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Tyvm Ninjas In The Sky 14:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Pet
is it possible to simply use a pet and all pet skills to kill this guy, seeing as he cant use a pet the skills you take he will mimic but wont be able to use right? i.e. take all the pet attack skills instead of your normal skills and ofcourse comfort animal incase it diesWolf 20:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. One easy way to take him down in seconds. Backsword 03:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Used weapons
Does the doppelganger always just have the spear and the axe, or does its weapons change according to yours? Silavor 03:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He will use Chaos axe for ALL melee combat no matter what the skill requires. and Vise Versa for Ranged Attacks he uses Spear no matter what. The Only Warrior 11:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Glitch?
I just fought my doppelganger in normal mode and won in LITERALLY 5 seconds.

Why are we given 10 minutes to kill it is some can kill it so easily?
 * The timeframe is a fun benchmark. One of the charactersI brought through in 2005 went in and fought him to a standstill until the timer ran out (we would actually try to do that). Back before Factions, EOTN and NF, it was something that was fun that could always be done. As for a game mechanics perspective, I would imagine the time limit was put in place to stop fights from lasting forever and because so many ppl had such a tought time beating him back then. 24.188.207.20 04:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Bonus without mission completion
If you and your Doppelgänger are near death and you use a projectile spell/attack your foe may kill you with a non-projectile spell and you will be awarded for the bonus only (of course, you have to be in this situation before the timer runs out). Noctarch 00:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Very easy way to defeat the doppleganger
I just beat the DG in a very short space of time by:

equiping:  Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and Ursan Blessing

and a load of useless skills (resurection type stuff but you could just leave them blank)

hit him with the assasin support and then went ursan. In both normal and HM it was painfully easy to beat him.

86.139.194.58 10:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Pingu, edited by :Killer demon (only for the links)

???
It says in the text: "It can't use any PvE-only skills (except Vampirism and Winds, level 8), however, they will be on his Skill Bar."

What does the level 8 thing mean?Crimmastermind 02:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That the spirit of vampirism and the spirit of high wind will be level 8. (although it was before the pve titles update so it's probably level 9 now) just like if the doppelganger had a rank 8 in every title tracks. --Anksa 07:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Easiest Boss in the game
Simply play as a Warrior (Primary Warrior of course) and you can beat it in under 10 seconds. I was very disappointed on how easy this was, as I was expecting a climactic fight. That's all there is to it. Simply play as a Warrior and you will kill it in under 10 seconds. Easy. With ANY skill set.
 * Yes, because the entire community plays as warriors. I have never gotten a war up to this point and thus I cannot comment about the validity of your comments, but I can tell you that it is very annoying as a monk (their auto-attack dps is better than you, they have AI interrupt skills so you can't heal yourself while they can if you bring healing spells and an interrupt, Smiting is pretty much useless). All these points add up to a very annoying fight, where all your skills are your secondary's (and you can't change your secondary until you have ascended). All this means that if you made a bad secondary choice at the beginning as a monk, its really hard to ascend without any other campaign.Crimmastermind 07:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that sounds pretty difficult. All I can say is that it is much easier as a Warrior (mainly due to the fact that Interrupts and the wrong skill set does not = a game ender for a Warrior.) Never made it to the fight as a Monk. --68.207.156.253 18:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

um doesnt the healing breeze thing still work? something about the doppleganger not using healing breeze in normal mode comes to mind--Justice 09:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * no idea, I haven't played monk in a while :P. I still remember the old days where the doppelganger was bugged and used all maintain enchantments on recharge so bringing 7 of them +1 healing spell meant easy win.Crimmastermind 19:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Facing this guy is very anticlimactic. I expected something difficult but found it to be really, really, almost embarassingly easy to beat, even without PvE only skills. Perhaps next time they have something that 'mirrors' you they can have a more sophisticated system in place so it's far more of a challenge. 000.00.00.00 20:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm very late on this, but I did the same on my Warrior.--[[File:User Necro Shea mo signature.jpg]] Necro   Shea   Mo  02:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Simultaneous deaths
Does it count as a win or a loss? Does it depend on what causes the death? --JonTheMon 21:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * When you are dead you lost, no matter if the doppelganger already died or not. poke | talk 21:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So if you beat him then degen to death before the cutscene, it's still a loss? --JonTheMon 21:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Dunno, when I killed the doppelganger I died of like almost the same time as him (on my screen, dunno about the actual server), but I still got credit for winning.Crimmastermind 21:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

if it dies first you win. If you die first you loose. Ive won along time ago even after dieing.--Justice 07:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Monk


Proof. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  14:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny stuff -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 15:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * it's a Dervish not a Monk. (hollyghostt)
 * Your 'Dervish' just dropped a Monk tome. -- Arduinna [[Image:User_Arduinna_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 18:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...only primary non-boss monks can drop monk tomes. Thus it is a monk :P Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  21:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Till it drops another tome, it's a monk. Misery  21:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Changed the proffesion. It doesnt matter what tome it drops. Lets not add confusion saying its the same proffesion as the player and then posting that its a monk. Theres a fair chance it can drop any proffesion tome at any time since it can be any proffesion. Put it in trivia/notes if you like.--Justice 19:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Utterly wrong. Period. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  20:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought we didnt do revert wars?--Justice 22:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Until it can be proved otherwise, I'd state this as an anomaly at best.
 * Since people keep reverting each other, I think it would be best to settle with using on the main page. --Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 22:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What is disputed? Obvious facts? Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ^, now would a dervish drop a monk tome? i think not --<font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  00:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thus, I'd dispute the dispute tag. Only because people want the Doppelganger to be of special of variable profession (story-wise) doesn't make it that. As Misery said before "Till it drops another tome, it's a monk.". <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a special NPC, and as such there is no real way to test what profession it actually is. Tomes have never been the most reliable way of determining some thing's profession. Snow Wurms drop Warrior tomes, yet are obviously Rangers. Unless there's a more concrete way of proving the exact profession of this NPC, it should remain special. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 00:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, only the snow wurms within the quest use cripshot (and several wurms are known to use secondary professions) so this "doubt" has about no value. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  00:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Tome drop shows that as far as the system is concerned it is a monk... but as the mish discription (and anyone who ever faces it) knows it will copy the player with increased attributes... I say to match the formatting of every other boss show it as a monk (because it drops the tomes) but put a comment in notes as to why it is listed as a monk... wiki wants accurate information not general information... the general info is that its profession is "nothing and everything" the more specific is that it is "a monk that copys the player"... MrPaladin talk 13:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is though, this NPC is a unique case. No other NPC does what this one does. With "bosses" like Murakai and Shiro Tagachi, their profession doesn't matter since they just use Monster skills, making their profession of no consequence. However, since this NPC uses regular, profession based skills, profession becomes relevant.
 * In addition, while being specific is important, keeping things easy to understand is also important. Many people rarely read an entire article, reading the most basic things and ignoring much of the notes section. If the profession says Monk, many will look at this and get confused, seeing how the Augury Rock article is telling them it matches their profession. Simply noting the way the system perceives this NPC as a point of Trivia thus prevents confusion while still presenting the information to those who want it. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 23:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Consumables
I added a note saying that you can use consumables like Halloween candy if you have trouble. Everything I tested worked fine, does anybody know of a stat-raising item that doesn't work in this fight?

I removed both your notes. Doppelganger cant use consumables. This page is about the DoppelGanger, not about the mission in which you fight it. Sign your posts --Justice 20:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Lolwut?
So say you go /W and bring some hammer skills with a hammer equipted,, can the DG use them whith the axe equipted? Id test it but computer isnt available atm <font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  01:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * yes,,,it works, and the skills work too..he used hammer bash on my with that axe of his --<font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  21:04, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

My favorite all time way to kill this guy
Empathy/Insidious Parasite + Frenzy + Healing Sig (with tact @ 0). Use Empathy/IP and then do nothing. Fun. Karate  Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:08, 21 May 2009

why heal sig? if your not attacking it really does help him...And btw, you can have r0 tactics and he will still have r12--Justice 02:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's funny. I didn't say it was the most effective way. Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:10, 9 June 2009
 * I liked doin ursan r10... only skill... Empathy, clumsy and distortion at level 13ish was fun also...MrPaladin talk 20:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

"they will be on it's Skill Bar."
it is "ITS".... it's (with the ' )shows 'it is', its (without the ') shows posession. lrn2grammur --<font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  15:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely correct. What annoys me with grammar is that "it" can't ever be posessive. "The dog licked its balls" doesn't have an apostrophe, even though the "it" is a shorthand reference to "the dog." Stupid English. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 23:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Profession
Why does the page list him as a monk? Pony Slaystation X 23:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Read up. Dropped a monk tome once. -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 23:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why isn't Abaddon listed as an ele? I've had an ele tome drop from him before. Edit: forgot to sign. Pony Slaystation X 23:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * because there are screens of the doppleganger dropping a monk tome. Get a screen of abbadon dropping an ele tome and then he can be listed as an ele <font color="FF4500" face="courier new">→Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="courier new">McChaosmongɘr  23:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really think this should just be in the Note/Trivia as listing this NPC with a profession could easily confuse newer players. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 23:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an anomaly, really. To me, you need to do more than drop a monk tome to "be" a monk. I suppose the game mechanics need every character to be of at least one profession, regardless of what skills or attributes it has. I'd rather see "special" than "monk." -- snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 23:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree. I'm going to add the  tag and add a note about it dropping a Monk tome.  Until we get more concrete proof, it should stay unspecified. --<font color="Green">Curse You [[Image:User Curse You sig icon.png|Curse You]] (talk|contribs) 00:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Disputed
I've added the tag due to disputes over the profession of this NPC (see Talk:Doppelganger). As to avoid confusion for readers, the profession should remain unspecified until the dispute can be settled. --<font color="Green">Curse You (talk|contribs) 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Elementalist
Secondary or Primary on normal, Mark of Rodgort and a fire damage wand/staff. Most Ridiculous win ever? Worked for me at lvl 16 :p - Ander01 03:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

how do i beat my doobler?
if i'm an ele -- adrin  04:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I took dual attunement, Protective Spirit and Elemental Lord. Not the best but did well on Hardmode and for bonus ^__^ <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  04:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * PvE skills or a pet. If you don't have either, use if you're a E/N, or  if you're a E/Me.  Karate   Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">16:45, 20 July 2009  (UTC)
 * take damage over time spells... and move cast move cast move cast... your copy doen't avoid the damage as much as you will... MrPaladin talk 20:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't work for Hardmode. <font color="#C10000">Ɲ <font color="#000000">oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  14:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I didn't see HM in the original question... and I assume with Hardmode the primary attribute is null and void, just go with any secondary profession ya choose :) MrPaladin talk 14:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I used pain inverter, mark of Rodgort, Asuran scan, Assassin support and Ether prodigy(never used) and i got him in less than 10 seconds in HM ... :P -- Sneaker, 13:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

beating at low levels
As monk secondary, I used which he casts on himself, lowering his damage output, and  and  for energy (having both proved vital). I took a +20% enchant weapon for and  and used, as a mesmer should,  to dole out damage. Well, it took a while, but I was level 5 without any attribute quest completed. The main thing was waiting for sufficient energy to be able to cast empathy. 84.104.78.212 20:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why lower his damage output if your gonna protective spirit yourself? MrPaladin talk 20:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * incase prot spirit drops for a second ;P and it offsets the fight, since he needs to cast it first. It's just an extra... 84.104.78.212 21:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

EXP
article mentionned that deafeating him would give 50k exp, this is however not true? i didnt get 50k exp, on NM or HM...anyway maybe its just something im doing wrong
 * You'll only get the 50k experience with a Prophecies character. - Mini Me   talk  20:34, 5 January 2010
 * No, you can get 50k exp with any character so long as they aren't Weh no Suh or completed Hunted…at least, that's what I thought. Taka Ragranok 07:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Most Powerful Entity Ever
Proof me wrong. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә    ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't use the majority of win skills? | <font color="Red">72 User_Seventy_two_Truly_Random.jpg (UTC) 19:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Excluding all the plot-armor losers that shouldn't have existed at that time in the plot. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  аІiсә  [[File:Assassin-tango-icon-20.png]]  ѕνәи  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I beat him with an axe combo back in the old days. O.o no PvE skills at all. Just an axe and 5 skills. 71.193.48.146 18:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you meant "prove"  <font color="black" face="courier new">dark  <font color="gray" face="courier new">chaos   21:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

lol just use enfeeble and insidious parasite darkmorphon396 15:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

A.R.
The Armor Rating chart shows The Doppelganger at a set 60 armor. Doesn't it change depending on class? (If a warrior were facing him, he'd have 80 armor, etc.) -- <font color="#D2691E">Wandering <font color="#D2691E">Traveler  07:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it copies only your skill bar, not your equipment. Tub 08:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Prot prayers
, damage and life steal received by target ally is reduced

Thatd decrease IP's lifesteal,wouldnt that mean that parasite, shielding hands tactic doesnt work anymore?213.125.34.2 07:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Enchanted.
I was testing out builds against him today and I thought he wouldn't be able to use [Dwarven stability], so I put in [Golden Phoenix Strike] and [Death Blossom] thinking he wouldn't get to use them. To my great surprise he was enchanted! I didn't see him use Dwarven Stability so is it possible the Doppleganger is also affected by Divine Fire? Missed the line about it! - Jon Will 08:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

cake walk
empty bar except 3 title track skills

vamp + pain inverter + assassin support = cake walk. 30 seconds or so in HM

easy complete as a proph only monk
Guardian, Healing Breeze, Symbol of Wrath. Maintain the two defensive enchantments and cast Wrath.

Suicide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsfJgUOgX94&feature=related --Blackhorns 19:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)User:Blackhorns
 * Yes, that's the usual way | 7  2   User_72_Truly_Random.jpg | 00:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)