Talk:Signet of Capture

Wouldn't the part about bosses aura colours be more appropriate on a 'Boss' page?

Yea, sounds right to me, should add an internal link on the word "Boss" and leave out the aura part. EatMoreCarbs 14:19, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Isn't the amount of experience based on character level and scaling up to 5,000 at 20?Beppe 15:00, 28 February 2007 (EST)

I just found the answer to my question above. Guess I should check what it says in-game before asking, oh well...Beppe 15:14, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Bug?
Pix or it didn't happen tbh - Auron 04:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I have found that i cannot have air of supremacy in my build with SoC any1 else get this problem??
 * You are aware that you can only have three PvE only skills in your bar at once, yes? If you've got two other PvE only skills, when you try to add another one, it will remove the first (from left to right) PvE skill on the bar. --Freedom Bound 11:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the "...it's a ring, not a skill..."
Regarding that info there, I recall reading that all skills are in actuality worn rings :p Makes sense, since you don't usually wear rings in your thumbs the number of rings worn equals 8. I recall this reading in the manuscripts. - IH 10:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Youre right, all spells and skills are rings, took off the note ~ Kurd [[Image:User Kurd sig.png]] 10:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

i think the reason for this is that a signet in medieval times was a small ring embossed with the owners family's crest, which would be pressed in hot wax and stamped to be used as a signature. (whoah, never thought that info from social studies would be useful) Mcdertr 02:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WHereas most signets atually caause a glowing ring to appear around my characters avatar/body, and as I do wear rings on my thumbs I dont' thin kskills are actualy rings.


 * this and this page has some information on this, afaik the 8 skill limit is because of skills being gems you made rings of. --81.233.248.107 04:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

10,000 exp for elite captures
I have noticed several events where elite captures are worth 10,000 exp (for level 20s). Are these "events" spaced at specific intervals or are they set "randomly?"Manos Lijeros 03:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

What you refer to is double exp rewards for elite captures. This is a random weekend event held by ANet like other events where certain points earned towards titles or exp are doubled or even tripled. Zypher Wynn 05:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I think his question was whether those events occur at regular intervals (e.g., every three months) or are random (e.g., whenever Anet decides to have them).

PvE Only SKill
I noticed that when I try to add more than three SoC's that one gets kicked off because there is a maximum of three PvE only skills. I assume this means that SoC is now categorized as a PvE only skill. May want to add a note of that somewhere here. (No more 8-elite skill bars, damn)
 * dont forget elite tomes :D use 8 elite tomes and ya have 8 again :D :D --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:85.146.249.89 (talk).
 * too bad, tomes can only be used in outposts.. poke | talk 16:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I like this skill. 98.226.112.109 23:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Obtaining the Signet
"As a reward for one of the quests Malaquire's Test (Prophecies characters), Minister's Test (Factions characters), or Capturing the Signet of Capture (Nightfall characters)...Only guild hall trainers will sell it to the player until they fulfill one of the above quests."

(First, I'm relatively new to GW and to this wiki, so please go easy on me if I screw up) I don't think the section quoted above is right. At least, it doesn't seem to be in my case. My Nightfall character who has never completed any of the quests listed (nor have any of the other players on my account) was able to purchase the Signet from a skill trainer in Kourna (in or around Sunspear Sanctuary). I used it to cap an elite skill from a boss in Marga Coast, then went back and bought another signet. So is the description wrong or is this a bug (or am I just confused, I suppose)? -- thefount 148.168.127.10 21:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As well as being able to get it from skill trainers (after a certain area - Yohlon Haven in the case of Nightfall), those quests above can also give it. I'll try and make the article clearer. [[Image:User-brains12-sigicon5.png|Talk|14px]] br12  • 21:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The quests are for allowing the guild hall skill trainer to sell it to you, but it has no bearing whatsoever on other skill trainers selling it to you.--Sum Mesmer Guy 11:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Noted in passing: Signets of Capture are available from all skill trainers in GW:EN; this is not mentioned. Cynique 13:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

range
So what is the range of this signet? is is within earshot? --demonic barb 07:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nearby. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  17:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Echo
Can you Echo a cap sig? It's not exceptionally useful, but in places like Snake Dance (Marnta Doomspeak and Cry Darkday) or Sunjiang District (mission), where you don't need to move very far to cap several different bosses, would it be possible to echo your cap sig? Was just thinking about it, and there's no real reason why you wouldn't be able to, I don't think. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:FleshAndFaith (talk).
 * I don't think you can echo the cap sig. MiraLantis 00:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just checked, you can't. It's actually listed on Echo at the bottom.  MiraLantis 00:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

question
if i capture a elite skill using the signet of capture, is it also unlocked for my heroes?? and if it is, even if the skill is not in my hero's primary profeesion, can i still change the heroes secondary profession that matches to the profession of the elite skill and equip onto my hero??
 * Yes and yes. Any skills you have unlocked may be used by your heroes, and obtaining a skill with a PvE character unlocks it.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 04:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Other Notes
"Signet of Capture cannot be used to capture elite skills from some low-level bosses in Istan."

Which bosses? Any bosses on Istan? Bosses that have no elite skill? Bosses whose name includes the letter e?

I've captured Icy Shackles from Lonolun Waterwalker before without any difficulty. So my best guess is that this note refers to the fact that some low-level bosses in Istan do not have elite skills to capture. In which case, the note also applies to bosses in low level areas like Old Ascalon and Sunqua Vale (among other areas), not just Istan.

The other interpretation is that some bosses on Istan have elite skills, but the signet of capture does not allow the character to learn that elite skill -- in which case I'd like examples because I've never seen anything like that. --Nkuvu 00:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

it means they dont have elite skills i thinkMcdertr 02:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you use Signet of Capture to Capture a non-elite spell from a campaign you do not own? (Example- Own only Prophecies and Eye of the North, defeat Chieftain Ulgrimar Gnash, use Signet of Capture to obtain Lion's Comfort(NF) ) Would your character then have Lion's comfort unlocked? or would you have learned it but it is locked for you?
 * I'm pretty sure you can't even capture it. But if you can, I am posistive you can't use it.  Sorry, you'll have to shell out some more cash for the NF skills.  StatMan 15:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can capture it, but you can't use it. It's padlocked. Just like Razah has Weilder's Boon but a player without Factions can not force him to use it. 173.67.9.113 20:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Bug with buying from GH
I can get the SoC without finishing the required quest/quests. Is this a bug? --Risus 21:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No --[[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png |Go to Wynthyst's Talk page]] Wynthyst 21:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There are no required quests in order to be able to buy Signet of Captures. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  01:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Acquisition
how do you get one? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:124.183.72.34 (talk).
 * Talk to a skill trainer later on in the game or a skill trainer at a guild hall with one. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Steig does NOT sell these (Camp Rankor)
(heading), happened to all my chars, asked from guildies, happened to them too. Unnoticed bug? 89.138.124.25 15:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, could be. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  01:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I had the same thing happen. Quite annoying.  Why dont' they allow you to buy sigs early?  Were people capping non-elite skills too early in the campaign?StatMan 03:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't make sense, as you can get them after Lion's Arch. Probably just a mistake on Anet's part, as there is no reason for them to be unavailable in Rankor but available far before you get there. -- [[Image:User Gah My Name Cant Fi Vow of Silence Gah Sig.jpg]] Gah  02:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

More Trivia
The wording in the Guild Wars Prophecies guidebook sounds like Signet of Capture was to be used when the boss activated the skill--70.105.36.34 16:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was over 2 years ago. I really don't know.  I've been playing for more than 2 years, and it has been the way it is all that time.
 * Yup, back in early Guild Wars (which was later renamed Guild Wars Prophecies), SOCs were used on living bosses. SOC captured the last skill your target had used. IIRC, stances were impossible to capture due to their instant activation. Also, they've never been called "Signet of Attainment", and I've been playing GW since 2004 betas. -91.153.24.46 21:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Vernados
In Vasburg Armory does not sell these either. -- Chieftain  Alex 11:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's pretty weird. Maybe report that as a possible bug? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  貢  02:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Firstwatch Sergio
Is there a reason Firstwatch Sergio in Lion's Arch would not sell the Signet of Capture? I'm standing right here and he doesn't offer it. Guess I'll see if there is one in the Henge. (Ralmon the Gen 07:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC))
 * You need to do a quest first. Zone to Cantha, Kaineng has a seller.--D  AV  A  [[Image:User Dav Tick green.png]] 06:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Whats the colour for the proffesions on the signet of capture?

Related to ...
Isnt SoC actually related to Echo and Arcene Echo, since all three are replaced with a other skill (SoC permanently, A. Echo and Echo only for half a minute)Niccy 16:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they are not related. You are also forgetting other temp skill changing skills Arcane Larceny Simple Thievery Arcane Mimicry.  The effects aren't the same.  Echo must be followed by a skill to copy.  Arcane echo must be followed by a spell to copy.  Both can only copy a skill that is on your bar.  Arcane larceny and simple thievery both steal a skill from an opponent, but that opponent must be alive, and it interupts.  In my opinion, arcane larceny and simple thievery are more related, since they copy opponent skills.  StatMan 20:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

How many Signet of Capture's can you buy?
Unlimited, or enough for every Elite Skill? Less? --iRathur 00:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unlimited as far as I cann tell as a legendary skill hunter. Maybe enough for all skills but I doubt that somehow. Ɲ oɕʈɋɽɕɧ  01:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1235 are captureable and useable in pvp. Elites are the only ones actually worth it because they grant you +5000 exp @ level 20. All other skills you can get at skill trainers and majority of the pve skills are quest rewards. Laserblasto! 01:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In theory, would a character that has all skills in the game be able to buy SoCs? Paddymew 09:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not. It is a skill.  You can recapture a skill you already have I think.  The uses for that are limited to the zone you are in, and 1k + 1 skill point seems kinda steep for two elites for a brief time.  Then against, people buy consumables.StatMan 20:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not possible to capture a skill you already know. So if its possible to still buy SoC's when you have all skills they will be useless i think. 91.34.97.70 20:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm..? Didn't have any skills.
I just tried using Signet of Capture on Miju the Afflicted in order to capture RoJ. But when I used it, no skills showed up. My guess is that I'm in range to detect the boss, but not in range to cap the skill. I'll be doing another run shortly and I'll report back with results. 75.187.66.45 03:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Appears to be some sort of random bug. Might have been something obscure but I got RoJ now. 75.187.66.45 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to be either primary or secondary monk, that may be why -- [[Image:User_C4K3_Signature.jpg]]C4K3 12:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

"Signet of Capture cannot be used in PvP. "
Um... neither can any other PvE only skill. --''' Gah Eat my uber regen. ''' 23:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well obviously you don't go round stealing elite skills of other players now would ya. :P --84.92.40.98 13:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but now that you mention it, it would be COOL if you could. 99.241.34.49 21:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cost
Why does each additional Signet of Capture cost more than the last? I don't understand skill purchases fully anyway, and why they are increasingly expensive, but it seems to me the same signet should cost the same each time you buy it. I can see skills costing increasing or variable amounts of skill points, but Signets of Capture? 98.67.46.183 22:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

If you switched secondary professions and tried to get a reasonable good set of skills in those other professions it would get pretty expensive. An increasing skill cost is a disincentive to switch professions. 98.67.47.222 03:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a Gold sink. ~Shard  [[Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png]] 03:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This wiki also has a page on Gold sink. --Silver Edge 03:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, like all skills purchased from the skill trainers, the cost increase is only for the first several skills (I don't remember exactly how many) you buy. It maxes out at 1k and remains there for the remainder of the game. Your best bet if you know you are going to go for the legendary skill hunter title is to purchase as many signets of capture you can (if you are in a guild and have access to the skill trainer there), as early as you can. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  08:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Just a stupid thought that i cba to test :P
I just wonder what would happen if you used cap signet to capture more than one elite preferably two+ you like so you have both on your skill bar, and rather than re-zoning just exit the game and reload in the town...Its a pathetic idea really cos its neva gonna work but if someones really that bored one day, please go ahead n try it. xD
 * It's the same thing, really. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк)  21:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It does exactly the same thing, just removed the Elites. -- smashman [[Image:User Smashman2004 Sig.png|19px]]  talk   22:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Characters can only gain experience... requirement

 * Characters can only gain experience for capturing an elite skill after completing the relevant Signet of Capture training quest (listed above).
 * You can buy and use the signet before this, without getting the experience.

I removed the note above because I had a Factions-based toon capture dozens of skills and gain the 5 kXP (or 10 kXP during bonus weekend). I assume lots of people capped this weekend, so are there any Nightfall or Prophecies-based toons out there that were not able to gain XP through capping prior to completing their local SoC training quest? If so, we can restore the note (with appropriate edits). Thanks — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My Dervish was able to get the 5k experience during the quest (using the free SoC given so you can do the quest) middle of the week. (I was setting up so I could get experience during the event. In the end, I capped 4 elites on Sunday night, using the reward SoC, one I bought then, and two I bought ages ago and forgot I still had...)
 * As far as I know, this was never the case. Maybe 4+ years ago? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 11:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops: that was me talking about the Dervish. I'm still a bit red-faced about finding that I had those two SoCs left over from I can't remember when... Cynique 13:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Just went through, captured an elite skill, and no experience. It is not every single time.  replacing the note, as it is accurate.  It may be dependent on more than just if a character has done the quest or not, like maybe if they are capturing a skill that is in another campaign from the one they started in.  69.182.180.195 05:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Which character from which campaign and in which area? And had you done the quest when you did not gain the exp.? G R E E N E R  06:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just went through, using the first cap sig from the quest, got 5k. Abandoned quest, bought and capped another skill, another 5k. --JonTheMon 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and are you sure you're getting an elite skill and not just an unknown to your character skill? --JonTheMon 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * So, we have several folks posting here that they always get XP for using an SoC on a new-to-toon, elite skill, without doing the Signet initiation quest. I've talked to people in-game who have the same experience. Guild Wiki has no mention of requiring the initiation quest to get the XP. I propose that assuming good faith in this case means leaving out any note about requiring the quest until we have additional confirmation that there's an issue (anomaly, bug, or something else). — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:42, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Follow-up: I just did this with a friend who has only Proph & EotN. They have not done the SoC intro quest and got 5kxp for capping their first elite. (They haven't even done the pre-req for it.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 03:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Doh ~_~
Ignorance-- Ickoization 13:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Took me a while, but yes, this game does have a way to frustrate you when least expected. G R E E N E R  20:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I've been capping skills a lot lately and sometimes I log off, go to bed with 5-6 caps purchased. Next time I log on I notice that I only have 2 even though I know I had more. Is this a bug or something?

need help on skillbar
It seems like I am having the following problem: The skill bar will only take 3 of the following combinations: Adding a 4th one (e.g. both luxon skills and both sunspear skills, 4 SoC, or both luxon skills and 2 SoC, etc.) will remove one of them from the skill bar. I am not sure whether this is by design, anomaly, or bug. Please verify. K61824 05:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Signet of Capture
 * Luxon/kurzick skills for your primary or secondry profession
 * Sunspear skills for your primary or secondry profession


 * You're only allowed 3 PvE-only skills, including any title skills (sunspear, kurz, asura, ...) and SoC. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Vampirism bug?
Equipping 2 Signets of capture automatically gets rid of Vampirism even tho' it isn't an elite skill. 93.103.136.57 16:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Signet of Capture is a PvE-only skill, just like (big long list) and Vampirism. You can only have three PvE-only skills on your bar at once.  What's your other PvE-only skill?  Cynique 16:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Do heroes get the XP for capturing an elite?
Heroes seem to get XP most times when the player gains XP. Do they get XP when the player captures an elite skill? --Combatter 12:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)