Talk:White Mantle

Seriously guys, what the hell
Repeat after me: edit wars are bad! The article is fine to stay. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki?title=White_Mantle&action=history. Three major contributors, Aberrant, Karlos and Biro, all of whom have released their contribs to GFDL. This is ridiculous. --Dirigible 15:38, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Calm yourself, Dirigible. You are correct in everything you said. I'm watching, but as you can tell from the latency, I am working as well. &mdash; Gares 15:50, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * The intervening contributors to the final article have NOT released their edits under GFDL. Assuming that someone can cut'n'paste an article simply because the "major" contributors have is a misinterpretation of GFDL. Fox 15:59, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm perfectly calm, don't worry, Gares. The above message was posted before you added the copyvio tag. It was directed at Fox's and Taka Zamiazi's impromptu revert war, and the angry messages being posted here. Thanks for removing the copyvio tag.
 * As for whether copying that article here or not is copyvio or not, Fox, it isn't. Minor edits, like correcting typos or linkifying something can't be copyrightable under copyright law because these edits can't be considered creative expression, which is what copyright law controls. Changes like that fall under public domain, and as such are perfectly fine to be copied over. You just can't copyright this. It's grammar, for goodness' sake. From the GFDL text that you so handily linked to:
 * "You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies, and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of this License."
 * Since all of those changes can't be copyrightable and are part of the public domain, no other conditions are added to the GFDL licensed text, and for that reason the copying is perfectly legal. Anything I missed? --Dirigible 16:33, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Dirigible - Calm down bro, it was all a mistake..you should have asked what's up before screaming EDIT wars! =D Taka Zamiazi 15:57, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Dirigible is correct and I will add to his explanation for finality's sake. LordBiro and Karlos created the paragraph portion and Aberrant80 created the NPC listing. Everything else was minor changes, wikifying, grammar fixes, and the like. The only thing that would have been a copyright violation would have been the flag image should it have been uploaded here. Wrapping up work before the weekend took priority over this incident when I first saw it and I apologize. &mdash; Gares 17:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Opps _ ^ ^
Well sorry about this all, im just starting out and i used Orginal Wiki's Article and Picture to practice on, I realized however than there is a sandbox now :D So sorry for all the confusion and mishap, wont happen again. But seriously though....again...sorry wasnt meant for mean'ness or anything like that i was just practicing my wiki articles and mainly loading pictures on... Taka
 * Just remember that we are usually not allowed to copy content from GuildWiki. It's better to make new content than to copy something from there. Erasculio 15:44, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Ya ya I know, but i didnt want to write something that i didnt really Know about, (usually PvE stuff, I'm all PvP) But i thought since its a great place to write something and try things out why not (Before i saw the sandbox0 Taka Zamiazi 15:49, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Also, to make indents to reply to things, such as the indent I made to reply to your original message or the one here, we have to use : at the beginning of the paragraph (more than one make a bigger indent). Just common spaces result in the odd looking table you saw above. Erasculio 15:51, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks, already learning alot from my mistake ^^ =D Taka Zamiazi 15:52, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * That's the idea : ) Welcome to the wiki. Erasculio 15:54, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank you, glad to help out the GW community! Taka Zamiazi 15:55, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Small Article
I think we need to expand this article because the White Mantle is one of the main focuses of the entire Prophecies campaign. They are the main part of the storyline from the moment the character enters the Gates of Kryta until they sail across the ocean to the desert after going through the jungle! It just doesn't have enough information (and the picture needs to be cropped) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:He Who Likes Arrows.

Picture Title
Rather minor, but isn't the picture of a Justiciar, not a Knight? That's Justiciar Hablion if I'm not mistaken. I'll change it and if anyone feels it's too pedantic or pointless you're welcome to change it back ;). Andrik Of Ascalon 17:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

white mantle armor
is there any armor that looks like the white mantles armor craftable in game? for the male warrior id assume and with white dye applied..


 * Warrior armor should have all the pictures. Backsword 04:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I have the recipe for white mantle armor, more or less...Monument Helmet, Krytan Cuirass, (possibly Elite)Luxon leggings, and Krytan Boots. Add a lot of white dye. I just have to figure out if there's any gap between the regular luxon leggings and the krytan boots or not...if anyone could test this for me, it would be much appreciated! Taka Ragranok 04:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Elite White Mantle armor (Justiciar Hablion wears this, so do a few others, but not normal WM soldiers) is probably the best warrior armor in-game. Pity we can't actually wear it.  --Jette  [[Image:User_Jette_awesome.png|19px]] 04:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think my recipe is fairly close to Elite White Mantle...Taka Ragranok 23:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Propaganda
Food for thought: I wonder if this content is going to be released to coincide with MantleCon 1080AE? --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * More likely to be the fifth birthday, seeing how I have been told of nothing about this and I'm fixing up MantleCon (again). -- Konig / talk 21:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

DISMANTLE THE WHITE MANTLE! DOWN WITH THE FALSE UNSEEN GODS! LONG LIVE QUEEN SALMA!!!

Rank?
Should we attempt to describe the rank of the white mantle in this article or even possibly make separate pages for the white mantle ranks?

We know there are a few basic ranks.


 * Confessor - Confessor Dorian (deceased leader of the White Mantle and High Council Member), Confessor Isaiah (the new leader of the White Mantle)
 * Justiciar- Around 8 of these or so that are named. Most likely, the named members were part of the High Council, but there were assuredly others who weren't.
 * Inquisitors - Not entirely sure what the new article was referencing by these guys, but my guess would be any member of the White Mantle army that's not an officer.

Anyone have an opinion on this? Karate  Jesus  03:05, 9 April 2010  (UTC)
 * Bump. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  00:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't a forum, we don't bump. :p @ KJ: I don't think we have enough knowledge for such a thing. Confessor - High/Inner Council - Justiciar - Inquisitor. That's the only ranks we know. (could of sworn I responded here before as well). -- Konig / talk 15:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the ranks are in this order:


 * (Elder Confessor)
 * Confessor
 * Inner Council Members
 * Justiciar (divided in higher and lower ranks)
 * High Inquisitor
 * Inquisitor
 * Champion
 * Zealot
 * Knight
 * Seeker
 * Scout -- Magamdy 19:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no "Elder Confessor" >.> And I'd put High Inquisitor Toriimo well above any Justiciar, though I'd say its a position in the Inner Council/High Council. During the WiK content, I'd also say the Inquisitors are higher than most, if not all, Justiciars and only due to the situation. -- Konig / talk 20:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The way of the Chosen is found in death. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is only in the latter that the Unseen shall be brought to glory. Patience progress in this delivery shall be rewarded in the next life.

-- from a conversation with Elder Confessor Schessler
 * :O! if you must believe this, the indeed IS or most likely WAS an elder confessor, and that would mean Dorian was his successor. Although, "according to official White Mantle records", Dorian was the direct successor of Saul D'Alessio. Since the name Schessler isnt found anywhere else in the game as far as I know, I just say it's a well hidden but but big gap in Anets story :p. But I just put it at the top to be sure. Magamdy 18:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Remnant from beta lore. I'd have to guess that Schessler is either Dorian's old name (i.e., before it was changed in lore much like Saul Botolf was Saul D'Alessio's old name) or either his first or last name (where as Dorian is the other) - my guess, if the later, would be Dorian Schessler (would also be easiest to reconcile with the lore mishap). -- Konig / talk 22:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaaah I didn't know that! Pretty bad they didnt remove/change that on the tablet. Guess they thought: "Meh, no-one is ever gonna read that." Thx anyway :) -- Magamdy 18:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well considering we were recently told that the runes on the panels before the statues of the gods are beta remnants, I'm not surprised other remnants - such as the Ancient Weapon - can be found throughout Prophecies.

Who Answers Their Prayers?
Since the Mursaat are not actually deities, how do White Mantle priests heal, protect and smite? Who is answering their prayers? Ramei Arashi 20:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think they are prayers so much as it is magic chanting in the form of prayers. Same goes to every group. I don't think magic is divine in any way, given the non-gods worshiping groups using magic. -- Konig / talk 23:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Same gods that answer Grub Lances' prayers. [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  is for   Raine,   etc.  00:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Magic is all around us. The trees, the stone, the rainbow, even your mother's pussy breathes and heaves magic. Ever wondered what would happen if an undead fucked your mom? Dracula, that's what would happen.
 * yer, they probably don't treat magic like they do in AD&D MrPaladin  &dagger;  talk 10:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

New White Mantle Weapons? O.o
ive searched all of the weapon pages and Cannot find these.New or Very old?

-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord  15:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC) That's not a problem at all. Charrslaying weapons are crafted by the Ebon Vanguard, yet (nearly?) every EN charr uses them. Also, the Summit Weapons we get, and Destroyer Weapons, etc. I think these weapons will either be a new "end-game" weapon set like the Deldrimor (either the green or the golds), they will be a new "elite-area" weapon set like the Destroyer and Tormented (into the HoM?!?), or they will be similar to the BMP weapons - do something, get an item, turn in for a customized untradeable gold. My money/hope is on the second - new elite area weapons. -- Konig / talk 18:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice find! These are new, see User:Zora/Gwdat. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated on thier looks, added scythe spear and shield and better looking sword.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 15:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen the White Mantly in Kryta (at least on the Watchtower Coast) wield them. I'm not sure if they can drop them yet though. 58.106.43.167 16:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * i speculate its more of a prize from a quest,judging Zora's Dat Scraping.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 16:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Only problem with that is we side with the Shining Blade and these appear to be White Mantle weapons. 58.106.43.167 16:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If anything, that should make them easier to get. We just have to kill some people. -~=Ϛρѧякγ  User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png  (τѧιк)  16:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I just cleared out Watchtower Coast twice in NM and they dropped a very large number of armour items. I suspect the deliberately don't drop the weapons atm or if they do, they are very rare. On the plus side, you can do some incredibly rune farming atm. 58.106.43.167 16:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Only problem with that is we side with the Shining Blade and these appear to be White Mantle weapons."
 * May i just add all of them are similer in that they have glowing red dust in a small place on the weapon.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 10:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I like them. Reminds me of the Tengu weapons. -- Arduin  [[Image:User_Arduin_Companionship.jpg|15px|talk]] 10:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh cmon,they arnt THAT Bad.-- Nei l2250  ,    Render Lord User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 10:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The Tengu weapons are nice designed, so are these. -- Cyan [[Image:User Cyan Light sig.jpg|19px]] 10:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They are like the Tengu weapons, which are some of my favorite weapons (I just don't like the color scheme of the Tengu weapons, which I think is the main issue for many, because they have excellent design). -- Konig / talk 23:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Definitely very cool. I'd bet those red gems are the same substance the Mursaat weapons are made completely out of. I hope this is not another 10k-each set though, I am flat broke from buying Destroyer weaps...only four more till my hall is full... Arshay Duskbrow 00:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The "jade" of the Mursaat is purple, not red. Those are either simply rubies, or the White Mantle have been harvesting the crimson parts of the bloodstones, which is said to be very dangerous... -- Konig / talk 01:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The lighting effect may be red, but if you look at the stones themselves they're the same magenta color as the Mursaat stuff. Arshay Duskbrow 01:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, if these are shining blade weaps (which I believe they are) then those red dots might be the bloodstone essences we gathered for them (see here and here). --Shai Halud 14:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Bosses?
With the new White Mantle introduced with the War in Kryta, have there been new White Mantle bosses added as well? Or are all the new bosses Peacekeepers? --Musha 09:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Selenas the Blunt, Valis the Rampant, and Sarnia the Red-Handed were added with the latest update. Manifold [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 15:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do they drop any greens or minis? --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 17:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Add Destor_the_Truth_Seeker. I think the greens drop from all (WiK) White Mantle or Peacekeepers of the appropriate profession. I assume that includes bosses, but I haven't seen any specific mention of that. Three of the minis come from Royal Gifts. The other three apparently drop from White Mantle and possibly Peacekeepers. Manifold  [[Image:User_Manifold_Neptune.jpg|19px]] 18:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was under the impressions, as with almost all greens, that they dropped from bosses. After looking into it a bit, it appears that the minis drop from just the standard Whie Mantle as well. --Musha [[Image:User_Musha_Sigc.png|19x19px]] 17:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Headquarters?
The Shinning Blade have a camp in Talmark Wilderness. The White Mantle don't seem to have a power center in this game. D'Alessio and Riverside are the most likely places for their main bace. Anet needs to fill a few holes in this WAR IN KRYTA story line. (Jaxx Hammer)
 * Not really. The White Mantle have ruled over Kryta for over 8 years by the time of the War in Kryta. Their "headquarters" have always been the Temple of the Unseen and Temple of Tolerance. They would have no need for some base like the Shining Blade in the War in Kryta and as shown by Riverside Assassination the Temple of the Unseen is still very much a base. Also, sign your comments with 4 tildes ( ~ ). -- Konig / talk 04:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference
Are the white mantle a reference to the spanish inquisition? I noticed that thier symbol looked kinda like a cross... and they certainly act like the inquisition (even having the rank Inquisitor) ~Gilliam Bluestaff, Legendary Guardian 03:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Inquisitor is hardly uncommon, their emblem looks more like a stylized Mursaat to most. -- Konig / talk 03:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed everything all at once, so i had to ask. The emblem can be seen either as a Mursaat with welcoming arms, or as a cross (no pun intended) between a Celtic Cross and a Crucifix. (Of course the inquisition used a totally different logo, but...) and i know Inquisitor isnt uncommon, but its really alot of little things, like the style of the dress that add up to make it look like this. ~Gilliam Bluestaff, Legendary Guardian 04:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

What happened?
It's weird but in prophecies the White Mantle aren't that difficult, they're more of an annoyance then a threat and it's easy to cut your way through them. Then I moved on to WiK and suddenly it's like they got steroids of something because they're far more powerful. I hate their resurrection skills: it seems as if every White Mantle has one. They also have all these new builds and skills and love to group together so when you attack one upgraded WiK White Mantle a whole horde comes to kill you. What happened to make them so strong? It's especially annoying for quests like Riverside Assassination where you can only have 6 party members. Lumix19 11:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * They might have the same name, but these aren't the same foes. Relatively speaking, the War in Kryta Mantle and Peacekeepers are on steroids. A little something something from ANet to make WiK more challenging.


 * FYI for each foe name, there are usually 4-5 different possible builds (including different secondary profs). Some of the foe types never carry any resurrection skills, some usually have 'em. Watch out for the Champions, paragons who usually have a hard rez. See also: White Mantle and Peacekeeper builds. Good luck. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Difficulty differences is a mechanical base thing due to the fact that the War in Kryta is in a way "end-game content" - much like how the stone summit in Sorrow's Furnace were originally harder than those outside (they're pretty even now), or how the Slavers' stone summit is harder than the other EN stone summit - or how the demons in DoA is harder than the demons in the Realm of Torment.
 * Also, if you want annoyances from resurrecting foes - go do slavers. I laugh anytime someone complains about WiK mobs and their "too many resurrection skills" (which is like, ~5-10 builds of, what 30 that have resurrection skills). -- Konig / talk 19:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Lucky Horseshoe
Is there a reference for Saul being a member of the Lucky Horseshoe guild? The text on his page and on the page for the Lucky Horseshoe guild says that he went to their gambling house but doesn't say he was actually a member.--Ceru talk contribs 03:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't have to be part f a guild to use their services (lore-wise); let's say, if there was a Carpenter Guild, you wouldn't need to join them to commission an table or a couple of chairs. --[[Image:User Large sig.png|talk]] Large 17:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That was the point. When I originally posted, the page said that he was a member of that guild.  I couldn't find a reference for that, lore-wise.  When no one else was able to to find one either, it was removed.--Ceru talk contribs 04:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)