User talk:Salome/June 09 - Sept 09

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Just FYI
Saw your comment on this discussion. Have you noticed that I'm pretty sure J0ely b and Saberhagen are the same person, since Saberhagen is posting screenshots from Joely's account. Not sure how strict you guys are on sockpuppets, but I thought I would just point that out... (Satanael 19:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Wrong.  --Saberhagen [[Image:User Saberhagen Wiki Sig5.png|19 px]] (My Talk) 19:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I am, I'm not good at verifying these kinds of things, it was just something I noticed. (Satanael 19:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Joel can't wiki to save his life, so he uploads, I post. Nothing wrong with that at all  --Saberhagen [[Image:User Saberhagen Wiki Sig5.png|19 px]] (My Talk) 20:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And btw. we don't have any problems with users having or using sockpuppets, as long as they don't use them to do any harm or to circumvent existing blocks. poke | talk 07:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? Vili &#x70B9; [[Image:User Vili sig.jpg|User talk:Vili]] 09:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't that account start vandalising? Misery  09:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, from this history forward two or three edits. It continued to make election choices though. --[[Image:User PoA Sig.png|Talk]] Antioch 02:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Spiking a guild
Everyone uses that term and you seem to know it as well. How do you "spike" a guild??? --Xeeron 21:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As an officer, you start kicking all the members before you yourself are kicked. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Seems to be a pretty childing thing to do, but then, my sympathy for the mass recruiting guilds that would be hurt by that is limited (any decent guild would kick the spiker, spend a few k to reinvite members and simply go on with life, no harm done). --Xeeron 21:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The spiker is always kicked, but it almost always happens when no one else is online to step in and stop it. You would be surprised how childish and immature people can be, even adults. I'm not sure as to the success rate of repairing a guild after a spike though. I'm sure they all try. &mdash; Jon  [[Image:User_Jon_Lupen_Sig_Image.png|18px]]  Lupen  21:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OR of course one could organise an adult mature guild and have everyone as an officer. For example the guild I'm in has 86 officers and the guild leader is a mule account of mine which is just used for items for the guild. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 22:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OR you could be in a small guild where everyone is friends, so even if someone tries that, it would not be hard to just reinvite your friends. (Satanael 15:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC))

hi
can you stop feeding the terrible troll? just ignore him and he'll go away, they usually have attention spans of 12 year olds. - Auron 16:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, I actually didn't expect the massive wall of text to grow from my comment. I kinda expected one glib answer which I was gonna ignore. Didn't know everyone was gonna go all crazy. -- Salome  [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 17:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

MaximillianGreil
Salome look here and here in regards to this user. Drogo Boffin 03:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks drogo, I will keep those in mind, however i have no way of telling if it is the same user. I know their names are virtually identical and their posting history is the same too, but I have no way of knowing if in fact it is the same person or someone posting in the hopes i perma ban the man. Gonna check with the other sysops to see what they think about it. For now though I have given him a week long block, which may be increased after discussion. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 03:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just making sure that this was brought to the attention of sysops and on documented on the wiki.[[Image:User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png|Talk page]] Drogo Boffin 03:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I know mate and it's appreciated. Please rest assured that we will take it into consideration and thank you for the links. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 03:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a heads up
If I don't say I care about someone NPAing me, I don't care. I will usually go talk to the person myself before requesting administrative action. Misery  20:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PAs are bad not only for target, but for the wiki as a whole. Backsword 20:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically in agreement with what Backsword said. Breaches of NPA, regardless of if the person is offended or not, are still disruptive, see the recent issue with lena and wafflez for evidence of this. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 21:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * zzzzzzzz. I wouldn't care so much if people actually got banned when the intent was malevolent too. Misery  23:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And trying to dicern intent on the internet is somewhat difficult. Either way, block stands and further NPA vio's by anyone on the wiki will result in more of the same. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Changing userspace comments
If you wish to change comments you have posted you don't just delete them, you strike them. You invalidate entire conversations if you just remove stuff. This is pretty clear in the user page policy under "talk page restriction". -- Wyn  talk  04:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Wyn, of course you're right, I'm really tired from this new job and wasn't thinking straight at the time of editing. Can't believe I made such a noob-ish mistake. I really should know better. Will go and fix it now. Although Wyn, nay offence love but nay need to qoute policies at me. I know the user page policy, actually I know most of the policies pretty well. It was an error from a lapse in concentration, not ignorance of wiki policies. Once again though my apologies. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Help please! I did something to my talk page, trying to archive it, and I jacked it up. Can you show me how to change it back, and how to archive? -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 00:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nvm, think I got it. -- Tha Reckoning  [[Image:User Tha Reckoning Sig.png|20px]] 00:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Tipttt's issue.
No, i'm not a sysop. No, i don't see any red box in there. I know that discussion shouldn't be set on that page, but i thought that he didn't mean any harm with those edits. I think i should have checked his contributions first, which i did after i posted my thoughts. I did post one more evidence about reverting Shard's edit. I just thought that it would have been left unnoticed on talk page. But it doesn't matter anymore, he was vandalising after all. - J.P.  Talk  00:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry jope but my comment was meant good naturedly, rather than a stern "DONT DISCUSS!!" comment. However one shouldn't be putting anything on that board other than evidence of infractions of wiki rules. Also please have faith in the sysops to do the research needed before they take any action. Before I ban any user I tend to go through their last 50 edits at least, so I can get a feel for how that user is contributing to the wiki in general and if the person is just a constant troll or if that person has just had an occasional outburst, so that I can discern what response to give to the persons actions. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course... damn. I'll keep this in mind. But it wasn't meant as a start for a discussion. But i'll avoid doing it again. - J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] Talk  00:46, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries Jope and my apologies if I came off harsh on the admin board. :) -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't sweat it :D I have used this wiki for 2 years, but i've started to contribute here actively during the last 2 months. Only now i've started to know how things run in here. Before that, this place has been nothing but a game guide for me :P - J.P. [[Image:User Jope12 sigicon.png|18px|Contributions]] Talk  00:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "No, i don't see any red box in there." - That's what you have from copying code from others .css/.js files without understanding it.. :S poke | talk 07:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

You said this...
You said this on Regina's talk page (source):

"As a person who lived in Flanders for awhile, although it is true that their are slight dialect differences between Flemish and Nederlanders, I don't think its accurate to say that some Dutch can't understand the flemish. I think its more accurate to say that some people are biased towards the other nation and thus pretend not to understand them however it is not anet's place to keep those players apart."

As you probably know we have West and East-Flanders right? And we sometimes already have trouble understanding eachother, and tbh sometimes Flemish people sometimes also have a hard time understanding what exactly a Dutch person from the Netherlands is trying to say.

I was on vacation once with my family in the Ardennes (Wallonia) and we met this family from the Netherlands, both of the families became friends and started talking to eachother about stuff, we talked Common Dutch tho not Flemish because we knew it would be hard for them to understand. We still talked Flemish against our family members and they heard it several times, and at a moment they got intrested in it and we started talking about the differences in the languages, what I learned from it, something that I didn't know before, is that they also had some dialects that we Flemish people didn't understand completely, we understood many words but often couldn't make out what exactly they were trying to say (and the other way around). So they were also talking in Common Dutch to us.

So in a way it's true what you said, we can communicate with eachother in AN (Algemeen Nederlands, Common Dutch in English). It's not true that there are only slight differences in dialects, when or if we would talk in our dialects to eachother we would constantly have to ask for an explanation. It's true that there are some people that are biased towards the other nation and pretend not able to understand them, but that is not always correct, some people genuinely don't know what the other person is trying to say.

If you want to have an example of the differences, there is one here, it shows the differences in grammar between West-Flemish and Common Dutch. Didn't wanna discuss this on Regina's talk page because well it's quite long and it wouldn't exactly be on-topic anymore. Qaletaqa Hania 23:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I lived in Antwerp for almost a year, which I loved and I found both the dutch and flemish to be great people. During my time their I can remeber some issues with dialect arrising, however the differences were more akin to an extreme version of a man from london talking to a man from the highlands of scotland, in essence its the same basic language but their are some differences within h0ow its grown and developed over time, but on the whole my friends could understand each other, occasionally though they did have to go about the houses a bit to get to their points. I think the true problem however is cultural as their is a susbstantial minority of dutch and flemish people who don't like one another, which is a shame. :( I will post more fully later but late for work so gotta dash. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 07:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What happened to your spelling? :(
 * Btw I don't have too much trouble with understanding Flemish (as a Dutch dude). But in general I don't have too much trouble with understanding dialects/languages. Quite a large number of persons I know have trouble understanding Flemish. Mini Me  [[Image:User Mini Me sig.png|19px|talk]] 20:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it all depends on what dialect it is, Flemish has lots of variants, because I lived in different parts of West-Flanders I have my own dialect (a mix of several dialects), including French-Flemish. I was born in Kortrijk where for the most part "ch" is replaced with a "k", like schoppen (kicking) becomes skip'n, schouders (shoulders) becomes skoern, you can also see some other differences, we also tend to make words longer or shorter.


 * I just don't agree that it's a cultural difference, or because some are biased towards the other nation. If that would be true then you could say the same when comparing Afrikaans with Flemish, Afrikaans with Dutch, Québécois French with French or American English with English, the last example has less differences to all the other examples (correct me if i'm wrong) but they are all recognized languages except for Flemish. The only reason that Flemish isn't recognized as a seperate language is because there are to many variants. [[Image:User_Qaletaqa_sig_icon.jpg|talk]] Qaletaqa Hania  01:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Jesus my spelling was terrible in my last post. In my defense that was posted at 7:23 GMT and I had to be out the door at 7:25 GMT, thus I was rushing. Anyway to be honest I think the reason that Flemish isn't held to be a distinct language in its own right, isn't about its many dialect variations but more the fact that alot of belgium's past is marred by a somewhat anti-flemish and anti-dutch attitude. However I may be biased on this but I always felt it was unfair that Brussels accepted language was French and not Flemish even though the city is in Flanders and that the Flemish significantly outnumber the Wallons. However as I said, I have a high regard for both Nederlanders and Flemish, so I'm probably being a bit biased. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 20:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

F5 Key
Would you like mine? &mdash; Jon    Lupen  16:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ReloadEvery ftw. poke | talk 19:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to stop it, I'm getting a wee bit "rain man" about it. *rocks in corner and presses refresh compulsively* -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 20:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Firefox spelling
Re: your post on Linsey's page: I'm pretty sure you can install a British English dictionary to use as an alternative to the default US English dictionary, for spell-check and the like. --Freedom Bound 13:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3366 -- [[Image:User Brains12 circle sig.png|18px|]] Brains12 \ talk 14:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

And what was that supposed to imply?
Re: Your comment about me at Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2009-08 bureaucrat election/Tanetris. --Max 2 16:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact that you don't understand it only further proves the point. Lord Belar 17:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Belar: It is not that I don't understand what it could mean, it is that there are several possible implications. Your failure to understand that there can be multiple possible meanings is one of the reasons I have so little respect for you. Now shut up and let Salome answer the question. Only he is campetent to do so. Once that information is available, then your comments might be relavant... --Max 2 20:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Clearly I must be doing things right, if you're against me. Belar 20:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * ROFL @ Bel. Max, it was a throw away line in response to your utterly baseless comments in regards to Tane. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 22:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, it was a generally disparaging remark phrased to avoid the NPA rule without specifics. I AM a dissident voice. I DO march to a different drum. I AM out of step with the in-crowd. It means you were speaking as a member of the 'in-crowd' and can be taken as just a play to that audience. Being what I am, I can and should ignore it. However it could have been something more, which is why I asked.
 * And of course, Belar is very 'in'. I think he'd be lost without someone to follow. :&thorn; Just more of his troll droppings. He is worth laughing at! --Max 2 23:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My comments are worth laughing at. Pity you haven't found the right reason. Belar 23:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know why you think they are worth laughing at. You are looking for a guffaw. The real pity is the pathos at the base of that thinking. I laugh quietly to keep from crying for you. --Max 2 00:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mtew take a break you are doing nothing but harbering attention towards yourself no for valid reason. Secondly your words and actions are not tollerated here. --Dominator Matrix  00:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Dom here. This will take us no further forward. My apologies if you were offended, however baselessly calling a user a sycophant, who has worked tirelessly for this community for years, is not skirting the lines of NPA, it actually breaches them. However as Tane and the rest of us dont play favourites, as you seem to think we do, none of us took the issue further and instead people pointed out the flawed nature of your comment and the worth of such a comment to them. You can march to the sound of a different drum all you like, but don't complain when people tell you they dont like the beat. If you are going to be a dissident voice to the masses and represent those you think are not being heard, do it with strength, integrity and reason. Not baseless comments and how you don't like certain people, while portraying yourself as a martyr. In closing I would ask we do not continue this further as it will only result in continued wiki drama, which I would rather we avoided. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 00:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the interests of accuracy, note that mtew never actually called anyone a sycophant. He did try to, however. <font color="#DD2200">Belar 00:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Drama not intentional. The designation of 'sycophant' (thank you for the spelling correction) was an opinion and not intended as a personal attack. Being a sycophant is just an exaggerated way of being 'socially skillful'.  Being dissident does not mean I represent anybody other than myself.  The lot of you do play favorites; it is just so automatic with you that you do not recognize it as the problem it is. (From that point of view, my comments about 'Tane' are not 'baseless'.) I can deal with that.  Nor am I martyr. (A martyr is supposed to accept injury for their cause without complaint. I do not have a 'cause' and I do complain.)  However 'Dom's' comment above contains an almost explicit threat which goes beyond mere favoritism. Belar's behavior has similar elements.  I've been reducing the loudness of the drum. Just don't expect me to muffle it completely. --Max 2 01:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Re-reading your (Salome's) comments – It was not you that I found particularly offensive. There was just a possibility that something constructive could come out of a discussion. Belar, as is his wont, was being deliberately offensive. It isn't that I particularly dislike him; I just find him inexcusably lame. Thus the drama... --Max 2 02:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Could it be that they "play favorites" because they share similar opinions and outlooks? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 02:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Shush, don't you dare bring <I>logic</I> in this. <font color="#DD2200">Belar 02:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Really not helping, Belar. - Tanetris 02:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Felix Omni: That is correct of course. Now think about the effect of that on others with different opinions and points of view. --Max 2 03:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So.. you feel like you're being personally singled out because people don't agree with you? :/ –  Emmett  03:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Naw. There are just a couple asshats that don't like their mis-behavior exposed. --Max 2 07:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to point out flaw #9849081098 in mtew's logic - it is a personal attack regardless of whose opinion it is. If I went around and said "it is my opinion that you're a douchebag," it would still be a personal attack, even if I was making it clear it was my opinion. Coming back after the fact and saying "oh, it was my opinion, not a personal attack" doesn't cut it.
 * And that's without touching the worst of your poor arguments, since I honestly don't feel the need to defend Tanetris. I'll just read your posts and laugh to keep myself from crying for you. - Auron 03:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron: Being a 'sycopant' is only an exagerated variant of normal 'social skills'. It is only an attack if your personal framework forbids that behavoir. Since that is not a tenent I hold, I believe what I said was no worse than 'he offended me'. Tanetris does not particularly need defending. He is what he is. I commented on one of his aspects that causes problems for me. Your hiss and splutter should alert others who's behavior sets the old hens to clucking... --Max 2 03:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW: A douch bag can provide great confort to the ladies. The fact you consider it a term of insult shows a certain amount of juvenile misogyny. --Max 2 08:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps we're taking it in its most common (and therefore likely) context? Regardless, this discussion is supposed to stop. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 08:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Sycophant" connotes fawning servile ass-kissing parasitism. Look it up or something. &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 04:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Once I got the spelling correct, I did. The denoted definition is quite mild compared to the extreme you provide. --Max 2 07:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bullshit. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 07:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

looool. partially @ mtew's formatting. partially at his sig (i only just now figured out that max 2 = mtew, although i suppose it makes an odd sort of sense). mostly at his conspiracy theories. do you figure youre the first one to bring up a bunch of conspiracy theories? -- Armond Warblade 04:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Felix Omni: That is correct of course. Now think about the effect of that on others with different opinions and points of view."


 * I think that those others with different opinions and points of view would think "Hey, it must be nice having people that agree with you. Maybe I should try to find people who agree with me and ask them to speak up as well, so that my views appear to have a greater base than my opponents claim." [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 05:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok guys, Salome asked, nicely, awhile ago for this discussion to stop on his page. Please respect that request. -- Wyn [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon2.png|19px ]] talk  05:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems kinda funny
You're a person who has a lot of time and such for the dev staff and are becoming a bit cynical towards them over this update, and I'm a person who gave up on them and is becoming a bit more optimistic/defending over the update. lol.

Really though, I think the update is late is simply because given the hints that people like Linsey and such have dropped over the past few months, this is going to be a PvP content update with possibly some very big new features (Sealed Deck!!!!) and other things related to PvP. I'm almost positive that possibly working on GW2 aside, the reason it's taking a bit longer is that the Live Team wants to make sure this goes smooth 100%. It's a content update for a group of people that have been slapped in the face for 3 years, slapping them in the face during their own Content Update geared for them would be a very bad mistake. (2nd Exodus most likely, I think people at this point are just hanging on for the PvP Love update at this point, people are playing less and less and none of the updates to date have ever shown a lick of listening to anybody on the PvP side.) They probably wouldn't mention this because it just invites more questions (zomg, what else about the update? why aren't you telling us anything? zomggg), but considering the end date of when that Hero Skill Bar deal ends, I'd expect it around September 24th-ish (since thats when the winners are declared). DarkNecrid 23:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see your point necrid, but it is not the lateness of the update which is causing my frustration. The lack of communication is my personal gripe. To say "hey guys we're gonna keep you informed and it will be fab" and then go 4 months without ANY update on the upcoming content and then not even comment or apologise on why the content/news is late, is incredibly insulting. It shows a complete apathy towards the player base, which I find distasteful and which I didn't expect from anet.
 * I personally get in trouble for being incredibly blunt (both here and in real life) as I believe one should say what they mean and mean what they say and not be above apologising for things when you have let people down or been in the wrong. (As you will see from my posts I have stated my point clearly and strongly many a time, but if someone had a fair point and showed me I was being an arse, I would apologise and admit it). The official "no comment" line being touted does none of these things and just serves to further aggravate many people.
 * Please understand it's not that I hold ill feelings towards the game or any of the people at anet, its quite the opposite. GW is a passion of mine, I care about it, my guild, the wiki and the gw community intensely and I have an incredibly high opinion of the dedicated and talented people who work at anet. These people inspire me with how patient they are, how hard they work and how, in spite of all the crap they get, they still come on this site and are helpful and kind to the people here. However I feel let down and disappointed that anet the company, not the people in it, are showing such apathy towards the GW1 community's feelings and using "HEY LOOK, GW2! SHINEY, SHINEY!" as a distracting tactic.
 * A simple apology for the lack of info and the lateness of the update would be enough for me, as it would show that the company respects us as adults who are able to process the simple fact that shit happens. For those users who can't simply understand that shit happens and things sometimes end up late, then really the stance should be "Tough Titty", as those users need to grow up and get a grip of themselves. However anet has seemed to opt for the silent treatment and avoidance tactics, which above all I find incredibly patronising and a betrayal of staff members such as Regina, Linsey, Gaile and Emily who dedicate alot of their free time to this site and its members and yet have to put up with being bitched at because the company itself is taking a stance of "no comment".
 * Sorry for the wall of text and I hope this clarifies my feelings on this. -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 23:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Since this is far from ANet's first go at being late on the delivery (ritspike? SV/cyclone axe? sinsplit? fire magic and melee in general? sway in its 3-4 various forms?), I personally am looking for a lot more than "sorry for the late" before I go back to trusting ANet again. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:User Armond sig image.png]] 04:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It did Salome, I figured it was something like that, it's just that knowing they did a GW2 reveal and were doing some pretty big things from the hints that they dropped on Sealed Deck etc on Wiki months ago, that this update was most likely going to be delayed a tad simply because it's going to really be a big deal for the PvP side of the game and they want to make sure it's right for a change. I'm one to usually rag down a bit on ArenaNet, but after seeing the update news today, I'm very very optimistic that it's going to be good. Good things come to those who wait, I suppose. They're just a very small team (officially only have 4 people working on their team who are dedicated to GW1 now) so they needed a little bit more time to collect what they were going to say together. (I haven't checked but they probably localized that for other languages too...). Hopefully the update today makes you feel better!! :) DarkNecrid 04:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Soooo, your thoughts on Linsey's latest journal update?
Per title. <font color="Black">000.00.00.00 01:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Instead of writing this out twice, this can serve as a response to both this topic and the topic above. Honestly my response is somewhat mixed in regards to the update. I'll handle each of the bits of the update in turn as it might be easiest.
 * Welcome Robert Gee
 * All i have to say on this, is welcome Robert and yay! New peeps in live team = good! Will reduce the workload on the team and allow them to reclaim some of their work/life balance, while at the same time facilitating more work getting done on GW1. :)
 * The Anniversary Update – lessons learned
 * We all knew that the live team nearly worked themselves to death on that update and I doubt any of us would want them to be working to that schedule again. It's understandable that 4 people cannot do ALL the things that an entire company used to be focused on before, thus I am happy to hear that they will be taking a more balanced approach to their work and not be burning themselves out working insanely long hours.
 * Maintenance and Content Updates – new process, new schedule
 * This is where my feeling start to become somewhat mixed. I understand the need for the new schedule. The reduced skill update schedule will give them more time to focus on quality rather than quantity and not focusing on huge content updates for every 3-4 months, will untie their hands to work on stuff at a more reasoned pace. However I personally feel uncomfortable with anything which is described as "fluid" or the term "shooting at". It lacks accountability or predictability, something which many of us depend upon. In theory we could wait 6 months for the next update and yet we could still receive the response "we didnt give you a time, its fluid.". It has been 4 months since the last content update and already I have seen the effect across guildwars, people in their droves are becoming bored and leaving. I myself had a guild of 90-ish people 4 months ago with about 45 of them being active, now due to just the lack of new stuff to do, we still have the same 90 people but we are down to about 10 people on the same level of activity. I have seen this echoed throughout many peoples guilds and alliances. Without something finite to look forward too, I'm afraid that many will see the fluid update thing as a cop out and lose interest completely. I'm all for smaller updates no longer at regular times, but at the same time, "fluid deadlines", sounds awfully like "when its done", which personally I find lacking. I and many others like dates, dates give us something to look forward too, something to be optimistic about. Fluid is just too vague to accommodate this and thus I hope I am misunderstanding that bit and that their will still be deadlines conveyed to the community in a timely manner, which we as a group can then look forward too.
 * Xunlai Tournament House Update
 * I think this is a fair point. Sometimes something is just so broken it cant be fixed, so lets all just hope its fixed now. I do however feel bad for the people who went away and bought extra accounts so that they could use this feature. Regardless of what people think of farming in this manner, it is still a valid source of money for many people and something well within the EULA, thus I do feel bad for anyone who may get left with 50 redundant accounts that now only serve for mule type purposes, but then if something can't be fixed, it can't be fixed and no amount of gnashing of teeth will change it, thus I hope if it is taken away, people will understand that anet did everything they could to fix it and sometimes that just can't be done.
 * The PvP Love Update
 * I'm not a big PvP person myself, so I'm not sure what to say about this. I will say the lack of an actual or even a rough date for when we could expect this, is somewhat disappointing. Once again we have been left wondering "so when is the update coming?", which is what we have been doing for 4 months.
 * (TA + HB)^Sealed = WIN!
 * Again not a big PvP player, however spoke to alot of friends who are and they love the idea of this new mode. On top of that we also have a date to put in our diaries, end of September! So yay. Something that people can look forward too and something that will draw back those who want to experience something new.
 * A New Approach
 * I really dont't know what to say to this. I'm torn between my faith in Linsey and the live team and the fact that we were already told in January "We want players to feel connected to what we are developing even though it may be months away from release, so during development we will be more open about our process and what we are working on.". In that 8 month period we got 1 such communication. Thus I am left wondering if the new approach is that they will actually stick to what they said they would do 8 months ago? All of the news we have been given now is great but it came at the 11th hour and it still lacked finite details, such as dates or for that matter any actual plans that are going to be implemented other than the sealed deck. Instead we got alot of comments about what they would like to do but nothing at all as to what's more likely. A big content update was due by Monday at the latest, telling people on friday that it wasn't happening and then including "but hey we're gonna be more open" feels like a slap. The fact the update was going to be delayed so significantly should have been conveyed far in advance. Waiting til the last minute to be open and then making a point of saying "hey look we're being open" is insulting on so many levels. What was needed instead of this section was a section stating that they knew they had dropped the ball on being in contact with the community and that they were sorry and that they wanted to do better by us, not include "So, in return for this openness, we expect you, our community, to be understanding when projects that we have discussed may be cancelled or changed, or a project or build is delayed.". I think the community as a whole over the past 8 months has been patient and calm, a few of us have ranted here and there but the unprecedented good will that the community has for the Live Team has on the whole kept bitching to a minimum, considering we have had 1 content update in 8 months.
 * Conclusion
 * In conclusion I suppose we are all just going to have to wait and see. I personally have an extremely high opinion of the Live team. Linsey and all the guys in it, work hard for the game and the community. My post above is not an attack on any of them and nor should it be seen as such. I care about this game and it's community, I just personally feel we deserved an apology, not old promises re-branded.
 * Regards -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 12:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if you're not a big PvPer you should def. try out Sealed Deck since it is all about being creative with the cards you are dealt, it's pretty fun not really having to rely on all the best skill sometimes, sometimes even Mending is useful! :P (The one gametype where a Wammo could be good...) DarkNecrid 13:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Erm, you're joking, right? - Auron 13:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i have to agree with you and feel the exact same way about the "a New approach" and it kind of makes me wonder what they are doing half of the time.--[[Image:User_Zesbeer_sig.png|link=User talk:Zesbeer‎]] Zesbeer 03:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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You actually did switch careers for a bit and have gotten into some QA? How're you finding it? Not just QA, but the whole switch thing. <font color="#A55858">Misery  21:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Miz. Yeh I got the job at Rockstar. To be honest it was a bit of a shock to the system. It's such a different career from Law, with a whole different way of approaching things. It's still heavy into problem solving and sourcing problems, which is what alot of law was about, so that came in handy, but the entire work environment was completely different. I have to admit though, I have REALLY enjoyed it. Been there now for over 3 months and I love it. It's really good fun and the guys at Rockstar are awesome peeps. I would certainly recommend it to anyone who wanted to work in the industry. It's a much harder job than many people think it is and it is quite time intensive, such as occasionally working 12 hour days for 10 days straight and not getting a 2 day weekend in months. However it's not an issue at all, as I enjoy the work and I get a great sense of achievement from what I'm doing. I just can't wait for what I'm working on to be released, so that I can see what people think about it. So yeh, all in all, I love what I'm doing at the moment and I don't regret the move at all. That being said, I still love Law and even now, when i get home from a 12 hour shift, I still like to read law journals for an hour or two just to keep up with whats going on in legal circles. All in all it's pretty tiring but the best type of tiring it can be. :) -- Salome   [[Image:User_salome_sig2.png|19px]] 21:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I sometimes wonder about trying other things, likely not QA, but I'm contracted for at least the next three years anyway. Oh well. <font color="#A55858">Misery  22:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)