Guild Wars Wiki talk:Image use

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Contents 1 Image Names for bounty like blessings 2 New draft 3 SVG 4 Just to be clear 5 Orphaned images 5.1 Orphaned Icons 6 Help? 7 Frustrated, I need help. 8 Linking to wiki.guildwars.com images from other sites 9 Texmod Images

[edit] Image Names for bounty like blessings

I have be updateding a number of the bounty like blessing buff images from GW:EN however there seems to be little conformaty on the nameing scheme used for thease images. could i get some clarification on what naming styleshould be used. i am thinking someing similar to the following (using the word buff to refer to a bounty like blessing from now on to keep wording easier)

• for each (race) they are
  • Asura
  • Norn
  • Ebon Vanguard
  • Deldrimor
• for each size they are
  • small
  • medium
  • large
• For Buffs that share the same name
  • Hunt Point Bonus the image should be Hunt Point Bonus (race) size
  • Boss Bounty the image should be Boss Bounty (race)
  • Hunt Rampage the image should be Hunt Rampage (race)
  • Time Attack the image should be Time Attack (race)
• For the Unique Race Buff they should be left As is

If this is fine i would like to go ahead and upload all the Images as the correct names, adjust all image links to use them, then mark the old images for deletion MafooUK 12:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That seems to fit GWW:NAMING as I can tell. The races are probably proper nouns, but you should probably get some input on that.

BTW, what are the different sizes for? Backsword 07:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The different Sizes are depending on the size of your hunt point bonus normal mode 4/7/10, hardmode 5/10/15 use small/medium/large

Could do with some feedback on the names Asura and Norn are fine for Race but Deldrimor and Ebon Vanguard are seprate groups within there respective races (Dwarf and Human/Tyrian)

MafooUK 16:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it's more "faction" or "group" rather than "race". -- ab.er.rant 00:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

yes i agree faction, but it was simply a word to represent replacement MafooUK 19:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] New draft

Guild Wars Wiki:Image use/Draft 20071210 - looking at shared user images (like the flags and hero icons, etc) and an addition about talk page images. - BeX 07:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SVG

Whats our policy on SVG images? ~ SCobra 15:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Do SVG images work on this wiki? I don't think so - but if they do, they should be treated like normal images imo. poke | talk 16:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems i'm not allowed to uplaod a .svg. What would the wiki require for svg's to work? ~ SCobra 17:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It need to be activated in the MediaWiki code for minor SVG support. poke | talk 18:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what .svg images are and their advantages. Anyone care to explain to me? — ク Eloc 貢 21:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

.SVG is the future image it will pwn all jpg, gif, png and other web extensions and come with a lot more advantages, see this ~ SCobra 21:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

no.. SVG is not comparable to png or jpg. The important point about SVG is that it is a vector image format for the web. I would never try to compare a vector graphic with a bitmap graphic as it's a very different thing. To its core, SVG is a xml-based structuring language to display vector-based images. poke | talk 22:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hibbergibber ;) - anja 13:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just to be clear

If an image is originally a screenshot, but has been modified - say, to illustrate alternate paths through a mission - is it still considered a screenshot? Similarly: suppose I am trying to put up a 'good' map for a quest, so I take a screenie of the shortest route, but that character has a lot of 'fuzz' on her map. So I use sharper map images from other characters and composite the image. Is it still considered a screenshot? I'm guessing "yes" to both questions. Looking through the archive, this has sorta come up before ("Heavily Edited Screenshots") but the discussion turned largely to the dual-tag sitaution. As long as the policy is being redrafted, could/should it be clarified that any image whose source is a screenshot has to have the screenshot tag? (AUNTMOUSIE) 20:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned images

Some images that aren't included or linked on a page are tagged and deleted on a weekly (or daily) basis, depending on how bored the taggers are. This is generally accepted, or perhaps not opposed, because there haven't been any complaints yet. Because it is something that we do, should we include a line or two explaining how and why orphaned images get deleted?

Images that are not included or linked on a page, and therefore don't show up under the "Links" header on image pages or the Special:Whatlinkshere, may be tagged under the general deletion process a certain amount of time after appearing on Special:Unusedimages. To make an image appear as though it is included on a page, it can be put on Guild Wars Wiki:Not orphaned and will not get deleted.

Hmm? Is this even needed? Should we even be deleting orphaned images (and why no opposition if we shouldn't)? -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we should delete unused images because of exactly that: they are unused. Also it might be good to mention that people should add {{not orphaned}} to their image page to prevent it from being deleted or to show that they really want it. poke | talk 15:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we have gone a bit over the top with orphaned images, and I think we need to setup a routine (not a rule), like, after 2 months unused images are likely to get deleted. Just so we have a basic rule to go by (for deleters) and for information (for users). And then include that statement on this page, so we have something to point to at least. Not a part of enforcable policy, but a general guideline. - anja 16:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"a basic rule to go by (for deleters)" - Please say taggers, not deleters :P poke | talk 16:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Taggers, deleters, whatever. As long as it works. :) Can DPL help us with this? With providing a list, I mean. - anja 16:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x3) Anja crashed my FF with that post. Anyway, yeah, this was what I was asking for before I went on my Orphan spike run. Maybe some kind of simple guideline? --People of Antioch 16:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think DPL can differentiate whether an image is used or at least that's what I got from this discussion. --Kakarot 16:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, however it would be possible to have a list created by a bot which is updated every day for example. poke | talk 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible to exclude those that already have a deletion tag placed on them? --Kakarot 16:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be possible. poke | talk 16:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned Icons

On another note, there's a whole bunch of icons from the .dat files that are not being used. Should we tag them all for {{not orphaned}} so we don't have to go digging through again for them? --People of Antioch 00:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of something for them the other day in the way of a weapon icons gallery just so they would be removed from the unused images page. I've been working out if they would have to be added manually or if I could use dpl to do it; I've already got a simple setup using dpl made up but haven't saved anything online as of yet. --Kakarot 02:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been hearing that term "dpl" being thrown around a lot lately. What is it, is it like a bot or something? --People of Antioch 02:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Poke would be one of the best to answer that since he has the best understanding but I have made a possible Gallery of bow icons as a starting point. --Kakarot 02:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

See all about DPL here. It's kinda like a page generator. See our lists for examples of it in action, say the List of necromancer skills or Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Images needed/Ascalon (the DPL codes are in the templates). -- ab.er.rant 07:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't all icons displayed on one of the inventory icons project subpages? So they wouldn't be orphaned. poke | talk 11:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Not all, for example for Bows it only has a small selection of actual images and if the bows use the same icon it just shows one orphaning the other versions. The Unused icons used to be a lot higher since bows was the one that there was more unused which is why I chose it for my example. --Kakarot 14:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

What about adding another subpage with those images which are duplicates because of different item names? poke | talk 14:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

That's where I was planning on putting my example from above, I had thought to just put the duplicates which is why I was thinking it would have to be done manually but I decided to use dpl instead to show all icons. One thing I did want to do with the dpl gallery was remove the image extension from the name below and change the it to a link to the actual items respective page since the image name is usually what the article is called anyway but couldn't figure if that was possible. --Kakarot 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer a manually made subpage in the icon project space. By doing that we can be sure that the images are not needed. But that is probably a job for one of those people who are really into that topic (*looks at Zerpha*) poke | talk 15:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, go ahead and "poke" him since you appear to be good at it =D --Kakarot 15:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I made one now. I included most bow icons from you sandbox (excluding several already mentioned ones) and the icons seen on the list of unused files. —ZerphaThe Improver 23:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice :) poke | talk 23:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks Zerpha, does that mean I can delete my sandbox gallery now? --Kakarot 02:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Suppose yes. As mentioned, i copy-pasted your list and removed several bows afterwards again that should already be shown on the project's "bow main page", so deleting it shouln't cause any of these bows to appear in the orphaned images list again. —ZerphaThe Improver 14:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ok deleted, although there are still six icons in unused including four bows - Azure Recurve Bow, Ascalon Longbow, Ascalon Shortbow, Ascalon Axe, Aegis, and Feathered Flatbow --Kakarot 14:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks for mentioning them, except for the Aegis (weapon) icon i likely removed the others with my last edit when trying to remove already shown ones. Fixed that. —ZerphaThe Improver 14:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help?

← moved to Help:Ask a wiki question

[edit] Frustrated, I need help.

I looked over Help:Ask a wiki question and GWW:IMAGE and even GWW:SIGN but I can't find info on how to upload the image itself. E.g. I wanna add a screenie of my character just as it is- not as a link. I tried creating a page but what do u exactly type in? Thnaks. Ninjas In The Sky 11:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I think our help sections are too well hidden. Help:Editing should have what you are looking for, but basically you link to the image to show it, like this [[Image:Image name.jpg]]. [[Image:Image name.jpg|100px]] will change its width to 100px, if you need to resize it :) - anja 11:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

First, thank you for being the first to help me. Although, my question is not in resizing-for example, how could I just upload an image like this: http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/elamisia2/gw626.jpg ?

Oh, sorry, missed half of the question ><. Typing without thinking ftw. To upload an image, click on the link on the left hand nav, below the search box. It says "Upload file" :) - anja 12:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Hope u visit my userpage and see teh eqbur kewl layout :P Thanks, I couldn't have done it without your help. Ninjas In The Sky 12:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to wiki.guildwars.com images from other sites

Is this allowed? I think the Image Policy should refer to that. Personally i was interested to find information about the skill icons not just any image. Only information i found was in this discussion's archive and the suggestion back then was to talk with Anet guys, which doesn't really cover anything cause the Image Policy article wasn't updated appropriately. I mean its not nice that anyone that wants to learn this bit of information to bother them every time. Eth 07:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Since the linking would be from other places, a policy would be useless in that regard (we can only police ourselves in the wiki, after all). In any case, i would think the wiki has a way to avoid hotlinking?--Fighterdoken 08:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to embedding the images in another page, i.e. via <IMG> tags? If so, that's generally frowned upon - you're leeching the bandwidth of ArenaNet's servers. Better would be to go download the Fansite pack from the official website, which contains the skill images so that you could host them on your own web server.

If you mean just putting a link on your site leading to the image's page, there's no reason you can't do so. For instance, you could link to http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Image:Accumulated_Pain.jpg&redirect=no all you want, or even http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/3/30/Accumulated_Pain.jpg if you just want the raw image. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Texmod Images

I think images uploaded for Texmod should have their own tag/template thing. Me and Pyron Sy recently uploaded all the sample pics for the mods from whatever site they were at and hosted them here. We used the "Texmod_modname.jpg" format and I thought it might help distinguish screenshots from modified screenshots. ~Farlo Talk 07:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That was already discussed here and I don't think it requires policy changes for the low number of images. It is good if people name the files like that but not required imo. poke | talk 07:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

On another note, doesn't {{texmod image}} need the same copyright info as {{screenshot}} (e.g. notification that it isn't released under GFDL)? -- Brains12 \ talk 13:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Please do not change existing policies without consensus. Also for the {{textmod image}} (why does this exist in the first place? Also the texmod image is probably copyvio..); the images are screenshots so {{screenshot}} is needed anyway for the licensing (and is used as far as I can see). poke | talk 14:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we need that extra template and category either, since those images are just images used in the Texmod-related articles (which are more or less just normal articles). It's not of a scope great enough to require specific mention in policy. -- ab.er.rant 02:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with Poke and Ab there. If it is a screenshot of the game, the screenshot template will suffice. Though I do believe the images should be hosted here, as they'll be more likely to expire anywhere else. --People of Antioch 15:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)