Talk:Alliance battle

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Contents 1 Bug? 2 AB is dead, and we killed it 3 Faction 4 Lk 5 NPC's 6 Alphabetically? 7 Reset? 8 Shake AB up? 9 split? 10 Luxon Wins 11 lol, rigged

[edit] Bug?

Sometimes after finishing an AB, when my party get's back to the outpost there is either noone or few other people there. When we leave and come back the map has changed. Has anyone else had this experience or is it just me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pentinent Crimson (talk • contribs) at 09:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC).

Every 3 hours (i think its 3 hours). They change map, etc if the Luxons has the best W/L ratio, they move deeper into the Forest (Kurzick side). And if you're in AB when that happens, when it ends. Your team will end up there with no team. So if you still wanna play with them. You gotta invite them again. Alftagrabben 17:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] AB is dead, and we killed it

Don't get me wrong, I am not moaning or cursing for not winning. I want to point out what is happening. I love making builds. I useuly make builds for Rangers. The best part of making a build is going out in PvP, and testing it, seeing it's ups and downs, altering it, and having fun with it. AB is a perfect place: No need to use Res sig and no DP, so you will know if it's actually good before you go to RA or whatnot. It used to be tremendous fun: Seeing all the builds that other people make, talking to the "enemies" and switching suggestions and builds, every other battle finding something that you like... But now, AB is dead. I see the same builds. All the time. All battles. All along. It's just not fun, not to win alongside this builds, to fight this builds or to lose to them (of course), and it's terribly frustrating that you see your build failing from 1 character, it will probably fail at all other players, as they use the same build. And I can give you a hand-full of examples: A/W-Tiger Stance+KD chain, N/A-Toxic Chill+Signet of Toxic Shock, VoR+Empathy+Backfire, SS+Insidious Parasite+Arcane Echo, and the list just goes on and on and on. I know what most will say: "So what? Just don't play AB" or "Stop moaning... this is GW". Well, I won't play AB, it's just plain boring now. And second, I'm not moaning. I'm pointing a fact, and it's not GuildWars, as it used to be so much fun. Titani Ertan 18:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Im not gonna judge the examples since there's more than that, but AB is supposed to be a 3 team of 4 people, meaning each team must try to go balance(one heals, other spike, other support, other tank, other snipe,etc.) and you must never ever be alone on the field unless you can solo shrines which there's a lot of builds for that. And unlike other arenas, avoiding battles, flanking, capping shrines and shortcuts (like making a straight line through your own castle to get to the other side instead of making a whole circle) is a must if you ever want to succeeded, especially avoiding battles.

Most teams always have a "Decoy" to divert the attention of the foes while other people caps which I often see and it does seem to work(Tankers, Dervish self healers, etc.).

What I'm trying to say is this: Make a build keeping in mind capping points and the last thing you want to do, unless your are ahead in capping points, is battle other players until you get ahead. This how most battles are lost. There's a lonely capping point not protected but your alliance are distracted with other players which if you are playing a build that can't cap(healing, supporting,etc.) you are boned.--ShadowFog 18:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you completely missed the point of his post. That's impressive. --75.71.67.5 18:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

And suggested tanking and sniping to boot. Damn. -Auron 18:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

You said some right things Shadow, but I'm not talking about "Tactics". I'm talking about the fact that in 9/12 players of the opposing teams (yes, I sacrificed a few battles and counted. Maybe my bad luck though...) are using Gimmicky Builds. Yes, those builds work, but they're ruining the funnest part of PvP: Facing the unknown. And to be honest, you can use a 55 Invinci-monk in AB, not that we will use it, but you can. You know why? It will in 50% of the chances kill your foes (the more the melee the merrier in some way, but it can kill you in other ways if you face heavy degen or enchant remove etc). And the point of going into low end PvP (RA, AB, TA) is to face the unknown, and challenge your abilities as a player and challenge your build, but instead I just face the same things, all the time. And I won't spend my time creating a counter, because then I won't be able to win, because I can't cap shrines: I can only try and kill the gimmick. And the last thing that I would do is use one of the Gimmick builds, which by my point of view mashing the same buttons and running away if you don't make it (like the Recall monk phenomenon that was in the past: ZOMG a he hit me!!! *mashes recall*). Titani Ertan 18:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Well besides the misleading remarks and comments of the obvious people in this wiki that we've come to expect time and time, the same builds have been taken because they are proven effective over time and that's what people have liked. If the skills change, the builds will change but that will not happen overnight, just look at the updates, targeted at GvG and not at the core audience. It's not surprising seeing you quit, the waiting period for an AB battle have increase dramatically, making others quit. What you could have waited for just one game, you could have entered a room in any other online game. Until an update buff the useless motherload of skills we have, expect the same gimmick, just like other formats.--ShadowFog 20:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that all skills of the same type are not equal. For example Searing Flames versus Mind Burn. They're both elite and in the same attribute, but one is as powerful as 3 elites cmbined and the other is about 1/4 as powerful as a non-elite. Poison Arrow vs Burning Arrow-one is outclassed by a non-elite in the same attribute and the other is practically required with all of the nerfs.

Self heals get buffed, but apparently rangers, necros, and paragons don't exist (see March 5, 2009 update).

Ok.... ShadowFog, again you say things that are right, but they are not my point. Yes, the gimmick builds work. But It's very very expected to find some daring people like me that open their Priest of Balthazar agent in GH and wander around in the skill section, trying to find connections, or cruising around your skill list and throwing skills that look nice. I expected the gimmicks to hit hard in places like RA, TA and even GvG in times, but AB? It seems like the world have overturned. In RA and TA which I do a lot of times, I see people with actual brain and guts that create their own things. I also exchange builds and comments with people there. Since AB is so wide (24 people in 1 arena), you are facing the ultimate unknown actually, since you have 11 people to sync with and 12 people to kill. And I didn't quit AB because of the blabber about the waiting time, I don't do AB for Faction. I quited AB because it's now dead. Titani Ertan 09:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The most challenging parts of AB are cohesion and coordination. Since you cant reach a sufficient level of those to face the guild groups that jump into battle from time to time, ArenaNet decided to allow people to quit and join battles with no restrictions in GW2, so that balance is instored over time. But GW2 is just not yet there... Yseron - 90.28.214.71 10:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, the GuildGroups that pop into AB from time to time aren't always so wonderfully fantastic and coordinated. Most of them are for the sole reason of gaining Fac. And the Dishonor thing is rather smart, as there are people who just go to RA, AB, even TA that want to screw it to other people, so they leave. Dishonor eliminates it (sorta). Titani Ertan 11:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

If I hadn't been told how wonderful AB used to be, I wouldn't be able to say that it's "dead", because every battle I've been in to date (except the double weekends - things get a bit crazy then) has been very much alive. (It's sort of how I can tell people how Guild Wars as a whole is "dead" because I was actually there back in the day, but your average new player these days wouldn't understand that.) When I'm in AB, sure, I see lots of cookie-cutter builds. But that's sort of what I expect for any form of PvP, from GvG to HA to RA to CMs. And in a place like AB especially, knowing beforehand what sorts of builds to expect can be quite a boon really...no one would ever seriously take Banishing Strike or Heart of Holy Flame before they changed Aura of the Lich, but now that you can find MMs in like 1 out of 3 battles it suddenly becomes semi-viable. You can also practice against these builds and learn to specifically deal with them - getting trained as a new Monk by a pimpslap assassin/Seering Flooms spammer/VoR Mesmer is invaluable experience, and it will be relevant as long as that build remains popular. So, it's not all bad in Build Wars when lots of people use the same builds.

I still see..."interesting"...builds on a frequent basis. Sometimes I know it's because this is a new player who doesn't have much skills/equipment available. But other times, it's clearly someone just having fun and trying out something crazy. I guess part of the reason I don't share your views would be that a lot of the people I play with, as well as myself, embrace the "games are for fun" mindset - they are willing to try crazy stuff in AB and other places because it's just for amusement. They're the opposite of those people who use cookie-cutter builds and just want to win/gain faction/whatever... there are times when winning is important, like in a tournament or when you're aiming to get a Tiger. But outside of srs bsns like that, who cares? If I can win an AB battle with an empty skillbar, it makes it that much more fun. I played a round once with an Assassin who forgot you can't change armor in PvP - so he went in naked. That was definitely one of my most memorable matches. And so on and so forth... Everything that you say you miss, I still see. It may not be as commonplace as in the glory days, but I don't think AB is dead yet. (You'd also be surprised how many people with the "uber" builds are just plain incompetent players, so in the end it doesn't even help them at all...) Vili 12:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Faction

This page really needs to spell out how much faction you will gain.. as well as the points. ie, 10 faction for a kill, 1500 for a win. I was trying to look this up and can't see it. Anon-e-mouse 12:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Please ignore, found it right near the bottom.. Anon-e-mouse 12:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lk

AB map never changes to luxon--FoxPromise 02:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

It's been on Grenz for weeks now. Once in a while it might change to Ancestral or Saltspray, but never for very long. It's pretty boring. Vili 点 03:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] NPC's

In the battle the NPC's skills are not adjusted to pvp status, the most noticeable being ritualist npc's. Their rituals have 3/4 cast time, allowing them t quickly fill up a shrine with their spirits. Is this intentional? 192.156.33.34 00:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

o: -- Halogod35 00:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetically?

Do we have any proof that the system actually works alphabetically, or is this some "Best Guess" kinda thing? Because in all honestly, the kurzick side is probably just checked first, and it has nothing to do with how they're arraigned alphabetically. Is this sort of behavior noted in other missions, or is it just in alliance-related missions? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Dakiller (talk).

That or Kurzicks are tails, and A.Net ran out of heads. Btw... when you say that Kurzicks are checked first, it's because they are on either a higher priority task or they're on a list. You normally check point 1 before checking point 2. Titani Ertan 09:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reset?

Think A.net might be kind enough to reset it to neutral ground and give both sides a chance, as said above its been about a month now with constant Grenz as the map with slight change (not counting the AB Bonus weekend couple of weeks ago) but it does give kurzicks the slight advantage because of it and with both sides on even terms would help alot, maybe something that would reset it once a month or something to neutral would be a good idea? who knows, all i know is its getting annoying in AB now when the kurzicks start making fun of the luxons just because they lose on a map which kurzicks have the advantage. Just a thought. Simzy 00:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I've actually noticed it more at Ancestral than Grenz lately :> – Emmett 00:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I just checked and it was on Ancestral and some of my guildies on skype just told me the same thing, but with it switching between the 2. Simzy 00:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Just an idea how about we as luxons let the kurzicks win until we get to kaanai and then fight back>??--Strago Lore 12:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shake AB up?

Will AB ever get some attention? It's super stale. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.161.206.131 (talk • contribs) at 23:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC).

It will only get love if you ask for it. It never had a storage nor a Faction Reward guy. After a small community sign up they both came in the small outposts. -- Demonic Cobra

[edit] split?

i didn't see the discussion for this so i am wondering why.-- Zesbeer 20:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Luxon Wins

We luxons are amazing at AB, kurzicks run JQ and FA but we are the best at AB. Ive only ever seen luxon teritory (E keys) once, never seen deep Lux, we are always fighting in the forest! Why are we so good at AB?! Canarygeorge 15:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's because fanboys like you tbh. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:17, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

How many games have you played? 1?

Also, winning when you and your party members all have the Broken of the Eternity builds, doesn't account as winning. Titani Ertan 15:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Canarygeorge is actually one of the best ABers I've ever seen. Sup, George?! That victory last night was pro mate. I once asked Gaile and she told me that they have to make the maps change randomly sometimes because luxons win AB five times more often than Kurzicks. Mr J 15:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how AB only requires tabinviting, having them ping, and kicking bad players... lol. Also, no good PvP'rs AB :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 17:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

This topic is more fitting on a fansite forum than the wiki. If you are commenting on the contents of the article, that is fine, but this random speculation is not appropriate for the wiki. Thanks! -- Wyn talk 17:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Although i agree with Wyn's point, i do think that perhaps it should be noted on the article page about the Luxon domination in Alliance Battle's.--Wingsy 21:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Why? It doesn't contribute to the article in any way. Make that note on your userpage or start a fanclub if you like. Titani Ertan 12:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Inherently Luxons tend to mob and run through the map, whereas most kurz teams try to play AB the way it was designed. A failing strategy to be sure, but I have played both sides regularly and thats the norm and why Kurz get spanked so bad in AB.67.167.64.47 18:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Not true. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 12:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] lol, rigged

The score was 497 to 500, however Kurzick still won. Previously Unsigned 08:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)