Talk:Any Rare Pet Statue

Deletion (speedy)

Everything that might be covered in this article is already covered in "Fellowship". In addition, this duplication of ideas makes it harder to find related details. In particular, the pet statues are only a piece of Fellowship and a tinier part of the HoM and Reward Calculator Mechanics. Further, if we were to be consistent, then we would have to create equivalent articles for all the other pieces of the calculator: rare mini, unique mini, etc.

I'm not even sure that this article name is useful as a redirect to "Fellowship"#Animal companions — anyone who would type that in a search box would be more likely to follow the breadcrumbs from HoM than remember that it's any rare pet and not pet statue or rare pet statue. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 03:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I was considering redirecting Rare Pet/Rare pet to that section of Fellowship's article. Maybe "Rare Pet Statue" but that's a really big maybe. Konig/talk 04:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Please read each of rare pets, fellowship, and rewards calculator pages. none of them refer to counting towards the Any Rare Pets Statue point system except for the one that i added just before making this page into the fellowship monument. the reason i have been trying to post this information so much is because in-game everytime i would ask about it i would get called a Noob then they wouldnt even tell me. and it took me nearly 2 weeks till i found someone that would tell me that the rare pets consisted of those 3. nowhere in any of their pages does it refer to them as that. this is information that new people cannot find and can barely get helpful info in-game for. all im trying to do is help.--Chrono Sirus 04:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) (to Konig) I've seen people use rare pet to mean prestige pet (which includes the Rainbow Phoenix, Jingle pets, and the ones that allow for a rare pet statue). I've never seen anyone (until this article) use the term as a shorthand for the statue or the reward calc point it provides (although, I can see that changing). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Please read Fellowship, which does describe the Any Rare Pets points (in fact, you edited that section, so you must be aware that it's covered). Please read Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator, which points to Fellowship (note how none of the other sections points to a special page for a topic already covered).

I support the goal of being helpful, but I think this makes things more difficult, not easier. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

@Chrono: Rewards Calculator page doesn't list such for any monument, but as TEF said does link to an existing location of knowledge, however a new page - especially under this name - is unnecessary. Redirects of Rare Pet/rare pet would suffice - or a disambig page of them (directed @ Tef's comment). For the individual pet pages, merely stating that they have special HoM statues - which they currently do and have done (though not very clearly until you've brought this up) - is efficient. This page, an unlikely to ever be searched for term denoting something that a section of another article would do efficiently, is not necessary. Konig/talk 04:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I've directly linked the relevant Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator note to the relevant section of "Fellowship"#Animal companions that explicitly covers which pets qualify. I believe that addresses the stated goal of making it easy/easier for folks to find the necessary resources, without creating redundant articles (and therefore, making it harder to find related stuff). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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(Reset indent) fine, im tired of arguing about it. but could i just make one last suggestion. on each of the 3 pets page, could we please state that they count towards the any rare pet statue rank as well. and not just say that they have a unique statue. all it would take is 1 sentence. that was the whole point of me trying to do all of this.--Chrono Sirus 04:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

example.... The Black Moa is one of three pets with a unique(rare) statue for the "Fellowship" monument in the Hall of Monuments.

this is an exact copy of what is posted in the black moa page. all i did was put (rare) after the word unique when referring to statue. that little word is more than enough information to figure out that its a rare pet.--Chrono Sirus 05:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The fact that it is one of three pets with a statue is more than enough to point out that it's one of the rare pets; if you don't know what the statue is, you're not gonna need to know it counts for the reward calculator, and if you know of the reward calculator you'd know that it being one of only three pets with its own statue means it's not a normal pet. It's pretty self-explanatory if you think about it and anyone who isn't wanting to be spoon fed information (if they were, they wouldn't be looking at the pet articles, which holds minimal relation to the HoM or the reward calculator).

In short, that little bit of information exists to those who spend 5 seconds to think after reading the already existing comment of being one of three with a statue. The fact there are only three makes it rare (see: definition of rare). If the HoM calculated called them prestegious, ascended, elite, or some such, then I'd agree. But anyone who knows what rare means, is looking for HoM information (and not pet information), and sees that those three are the only ones with statues can figure it out (and I feel I'm repeating myself in my own comment... maybe then the point will get across that it's simply not necessary). Konig/talk 05:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Koniq im sorry but im tired of your snotty attitude towards me trying to make things easier. its the people like you in the game that kept me from finding out what the pets were for so dang long. and yes unique does mean 1 of a kind such as rare. but the reason i want to add rare to the comments on there pages is to refer to the reward calculator. NOTICE: in the calculator. it says " Any Rare Pet Statue " . no where on there does it say " Any Unique Pet Statue " I'm trying to clerify that it is just that RARE not UNIQUE by the calculators listings.--Chrono Sirus 05:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I dunno, it's not entirely intuitive that rare=unique (especially for a non-native English speaker). On the other hand, the answer to the question, "what qualifies for the calculator" is addressed (indirectly) on the calc's article and directly in the animal companion section of fellowship. I don't hear people asking often if the Black Moa qualifies; the more common questions are: does Jingle Moa qualify? does the Rainbow Phoenix? what pets can I add to the HoM? — those are all best addressed at the HoM/Fellowship articles.

I've attempted to rephrase the sentence to incorporate rare without producing a repetitive redundancy.

@Chrono: you're not going to win support for your ideas by disparaging people's rhetoric. Stick to the point at hand, please. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Tennessee for editing the entries. that is all i was wanting this whole time. was for the pets sections to clarify that they are rare and not just unique. I am sorry for this whole situation, I truly am. i never wanted this to explode into a war like this. and for that I apologize. now since the edits have been done. i hope that no one else will go through what i went through trying to figure it out. and also with those edits done. i dont mind if this page is deleted.--Chrono Sirus 05:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't being snotty. I merely cannot fathom the course of logic of someone going to the pet page to see all of what qualifies for the rare pets category rather than going to the HoM, Fellowship, or HoM calculator pages. The error here, imo, was those three articles being unclear, rather than the lack of stating "this pet is rare, so is this pet and that pet" (your original change) or "this pet has a statue and is rare" (the second change). One of three, to me and to anyone else, makes something rare so, again, it's not me being "snotty" but me not being able to fathom how someone would not be able to connect the dots. That, and I didn't see some of your changes (those I was opposed to) making things "easier," Konig/talk 05:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)