Talk:Arcane Mimicry

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Contents 1 Copying Elites... 2 Echo 3 BUG 4 Dual Attunes 5 Why is this Allowed to Work on Blessings 6 O.K. Listen! 7 Ursan/avatar? 8 Maintained Enchants 9 Hero AI Question. o: 10 PvE-Elites 11 Order of copied elite skills

[edit] Copying Elites...

I assume you can use Arcane Echo with this. Could it be possible for 3 Necromancer/Mesmers to have the three elite skills Aura of the Lich, Cultist's Fervor, and Vampiric Spirit - EACH? This sounds like it would be loads of fun. You'd just need some energy management, which comes nicely with the mesmer secondary, right? I was thinking of making a team build like this and namingit "triple triple threat", but that last comment on the page seems to worry me, wouldn't this skill prevent you from having duplicates of the same elite skill? --T-Lo 04:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

-> I've tried checking on this a bit, using triple mimicry (with Arcane Echo/Echo); if multiple elites are present, the one chosen is NOT chosen at random. For instance mimicrying someone with Echo, Arcane Languor and Mind Blast got me Echo all three times. Possibly your idea can be done, if done in proper sequence. Do keep in mind you only keep the skills for 20 seconds, in your example you'd then have the enchants on you for 20 seconds, then 40 seconds of waiting (even assuming you time perfectly). Also energy will be a big issue, your chain would require 60 energy before cultist's fervor is up, pretty high cost for the average necro. Finally,you càn duplicate your own elite this way from someone else.--Tenshi 00:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Echo

If you use Arcane Mimicry to get Echo, and then use Echo on another skill, then that skill will last its 30 seconds before reverting back to AM. Echo resets Am's duration and sets it to 30 - overriding it. :) (Terra Xin 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] BUG

If you copy Ursan blessing or other blessings with Mimicry, the copy of blessing will NOT go away.

:Tested this, it goes away now, however the blessing will not work for me, this may due to not owning EoTN, will update once i get it.

[edit] Dual Attunes

I'd think this skill would work best with a pair of elementalists, one running a SF build and Mimicry, the other running a generic PvE Dual Attune Air build. Seeing as with a +20 enchant mod, Elemental Attunement would be able to last as long as the recharge for Minicry, you could have a Dual Attune SF Ele, which would be something fearsome. Anyone fancy trying this in game with me? This gimmick (yes, it's a gimmick) would possibly be viable in AB as well (little experience in other areas of PvP), but could be stomped by Enchant removal.

[edit] Why is this Allowed to Work on Blessings

Blessings turn you into a bear, wolf, raven in theory. This skill allows UW farmers to pull Ursan Blessing from an ally and exploit they're unthinkable power. How about we see these skills become forms or at least make Arcane Mimicry unable to copy them anyway? A couple problems solved, short of getting rid of the blessings all together Spawnlegacy 12:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The blessings are forms, it specifies not working on them. Maskeus:The more you win, the more you cheat. 18:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] O.K. Listen!

After testing 20 times In one day. Even though this skill copies allies elite...It does not mean it will be as powerfull. Skills work Dependent on Attrubites OR Rank. That means that even if someone copied a R10 Norn while they only had R4 Norn...The power of it would be reduced. Thus...making this skill as not as good as many of you think as soon as you think this. Also...Please sign your comments with 4 ~'s please. 70.121.168.43 15:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly right! 122.106.48.7 05:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand from what you are saying the rank in terms of norn, deldimore, norn, asuran, luxon, kurzik, and sunspear are dependent on the character's level in these ranks when using Arcane Mimicry. Does this mean that a hero using AM will have <zero> attribute points if copying an elite skill in which they have no attribute in? For instance, Mesmer-Monk hero uses Arcane Mimicry to copy the elite of my Savannah Heat build Elementalist. The Fire Elementalist has level 13 when using SH. Will the Mesmer-Monk (with no points in fire magic) using the non-attribute dependent Arcane Mimicry cast Savannah Heat with the ability to deal the full 270 damage (assuming battlefield conditions are perfect enough to cause target to take the full amount) or will the Mesmer-Monk have zero points in SH when casting it? For simplicity sake, let's assume in this example: I'm playing PvE Elementalist, and running with ONLY my Mesmer-Monk hero (no other heroes or henchmen.) thank you :) cecil 15:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ursan/avatar?

I was thinking about a derv build (avatar/ursan), it sounds pretty cool, but you'd really only be able to do it with an ursan based party. (arcane mimicry an ursan, use ur avatar, use Ursan Blessing). The Idea of dwayna or melandru sounds pretty good to me.

Two problems, you can only have one form, and second, mimicry doesn't work on forms. Maskeus:The more you win, the more you cheat. 18:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Maintained Enchants

What happens if you use this skill to copy an elite maintained enchantment spell from an ally? Does the enchant drop once AM expires or does it persist? Anyone know? When I get a chance I will try it in game already have a combo in mind....Loki207.71.50.165 12:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If for example you copy Life Barrier from an ally, and use it on someone, life barrier will still stay maintained even after the echo vanishes. --MageMontu 14:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Heroes dont want to continue maintaim after Arcane Mimicry ends. Does anyone know way to order them it? Is seems to be very powerful combo with Healer's Covenant and Glimmer of Light.

Well, no. You can only force them to maintain enchantments that they are using by disabling them and you manually using them. Justin6 03:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

On players however, your maintained enchantments don't end if you lose the skill. 145.94.74.23 12:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

In fact, heroes continue maintain UA, but cansel Covenant after AM expire. I see no way to deal with it. 95.84.128.150 20:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hero AI Question. o:

Let's say I have two Monks. Let them have UA and HB. One's Mo/E with GoLE [UA], and one's Mo/Me with AM [HB]. Can Dunkoro [example] safely use AM on Tahlkora to get UA, without me micromanaging him? I'm a Mesmer, and I don't want him copying my Signet of Illusions or Echo, or my MOX's Wounding Strike. Or any henchmen's elites, for that matter. I guess my question is, are the heroes smart enough to use AM on skills that assist them, HB using AM to get UA, or do I have to micro to keep the HB from AM'ing... Searing Flames, or something retarded? o~o;; Kuro Tenshi 22:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I run Arcane Mimicry on my Fast Casting Echo RoJ Nukers, (mesmers) and they Mimic each other very well.. so im thinking its dependent on their current attributes.Sloh Em Oshun 02:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I tested this out with my monk, I went to kill some monsters while wielding HB on my monk and put arcane mimicry on Dunkoro. Also, I took Sousuke with Savannah Heat, Koss with Quivering Blade, Cynn, Lo Sha, Herta and Devona. Dunkoro obediently copied my HB each time and I didn't have to micro him at all to do that. - Tulen elementti (talk) 15:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PvE-Elites

Can this copy a PvE-only elite for a hero to use? 145.94.74.23 12:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The only PvE-only elites so far are forms which cannot be granted via Arcane Mimicry. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 13:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Order of copied elite skills

I added some information about what elite is copied if many are available in the same skillbar. There is another usefull note that could be added about the fact heroes use Arcane Mimicry if and only if they have spent attribute points matching the copied elite. Elephant 10:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)