Talk:Condition

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Contents 1 Reverting Thematic Ties 2 Thematic Ties 3 Nice Work 4 Condition stacking 5 Research needed. 6 "It's just a flesh wound" 7 Anything that can be done bout gibberbots? 8 Total Damage Equation 9 Split Condition removal from Allies into Ally and Other Ally sections? 10 New Proposed Conditions for GW or GW2 11 Deep Wound and Dervishes 12 Skills that inflict conditions on foes? 13 Max duration 14 Lengthens condition duration by 33% 15 Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals 16 Paragons Causing Dazed and Weakness 17 Why is being an off-hand estimated as "with difficulties" applied? 18 Remove the table about difficulties of applying certain conditions 19 Table with weapon/armor upgrades 20 Add PvE skills to tables? 21 Condition Application Order 22 Ranger deep wound...

[edit] Reverting Thematic Ties

Backsword why are you changing the table when its more wrong this way

• Derv Bleed - easy - wounding strike, aura of thorns unconditional
• Ranger Bleed - easy - strike as one, hunter shot, melandru shot etc unconditional
• Ranger Blind - easy - throw dirt, dust trap, smoke trap unconditional
• Rit Blind - easy - blind was mingson, shadowsong uncondtional
• Rt/Me Cracked armor - easy - both their abilities are not conditional
• Para Daze - easy - spear swipe is unconditional
• Sin Daze - easy - beguiling haze is unconditional
• Ele weakness - easy - enervating charge, ebon hawk are unconditional
• Derv weakness - easy - armor of sanctity, staggering force is unconditional -Talamare- feedback 01:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thematic Ties

Arent a few of these a little off? I mean its much easier for a sin to put poison on a target then he can put bleeding yet the 2 seem to be reversed, not to mention paragon should probably be ranked on easy to inflict daze since they also have 2 none elites that cause it. Ranger should probably be ranked difficult to inflict blind, since only throw dirt is thier only on demand on beside traps 76.26.189.65 16:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Poison and bleeding on sins are about 50/50 leaning towards poison; bleeding usually comes along with DW with Twisting Fangs (which is common), though Falling Spider/Black Spider Strike and Entangling Asp are somewhat common, too. Paragons aren't a (useful) source of daze outside of Stunning Strike; Awe and Spear Swipe are too conditional and pretty much require the rest of the bar to work around them, which just isn't worth it. You're right about the ranger, though. -- Mafaraxas 04:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Paragon 2 conditions arent at all hard to get, Melee range isnt even barely a condition, and the 2nd one is Awe which is a KD which isnt really possible for a Paragon to do on demand but with a decent 2ndary they should do it easily 76.26.189.65 20:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sins should be in the easy category for Daze, IMO. Beguiling Haze or Temple Strike might not be TOO common in the meta, but it doesn't change their ease of use. --Srakin 17:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Same with Paragons on Deep Wound. They've got more than 5 skills that cause it, they're just all conditional. That's common for Nightfall skills, and usually are easily met with the use of one other skill, if an ally isn't already filling the condition. Still, this is just a general table and it's still pretty useful as it is. I don't think changes to it would be anything major. Good job whoever to whomever made it. 72.81.247.139 09:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I feel like the Deep Wound conditions are things that are out of the Paragon's control (crit randomness, necessary condition, enemy behavior/movement). Spear Swipe is unconditional and the fact that it is melee could be considered a drawback but for Paragon's 80 AL. Weakness should also be Easy for Paragons. For Weakness, I concede a second skill is needed, but the condition for Anthem of Weariness is any attack skill (of which there are very many, and not as specific as inflicting a different type of condition) on any ally. Paragons have the common and important Spear Mastery line to fulfill this. Also, Paragons can only cause Cracked Armor on themselves, so that should be "Never". -- Tofu --70.182.189.180 19:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

So, instead of "Easy"/"With Difficult", how about changing text to "Non-Conditional"/"Conditional" if that's what was used to determine how "easy" such condition were inflicted?

Also, if Burning is strongly tied to Fire Magic, shouldn't Cracked Armor be tied to Air Magic on Elementalists (since only Air spells cause Cracked Armor, and higher rank will cause it to last longer)? Same way, Burning should be tied to Smiting Prayers on Monk... --NIN37 17:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

A single skill is hardly a pattern. Backsword 13:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Throw Dirt is a cheap, on-demand source of Blind with a good duration. Rangers should be Easy for Blind. --Tofu--70.182.189.180 19:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nice Work

Nice work on the conditions, but it's one thing I'm not quite sure about. I don't think things that aren't specific for a certain condition should be mentioned in the different condition articles. It's just minor things, but what I've found so far is that every condition says that the health bar gets a brown arrow and Extend Conditions has been added to every condition. I think that these things should go under this article, and only have information for a certain condition in that article, because otherwise there would logically be another bucketload of skills like Scavenger Strike, Virulence, Malicious Strike etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beppe (talk • contribs) 13:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Condition stacking

Do conditions stack? E.g., can you be burning x 2? Colossus 11:22, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

I think conditions don't stack. You can suffer from only once from every condition. I don't know wether the durations of condition stack or are overwritten with later condition. - MSorglos 11:59, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

I've never actually tested it, but I'm 99% sure that additional conditions only overlap duration: If I'm hit with a 3 second burning, then, exactly one second later, get hit with another 3 second burning, the total burning time would be 4 seconds, assuming no further burning is applied in the meantime. I'll probably go test this on Isle of Nameless at some point . . .--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Zalaeth .

They dont stack and their durations dont stack either (or else one ranger with apply poison could poison you for hours with a few shots). --Xeeron 12:30, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Research needed.

Condition reapplying: If someone get hit by a 10 second condition first, then a second later, get hit by a 3 second condition of the same type. Does the condition last until 10 second or 4 second? Lightblade 21:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I tested this with vipers defence on two heroes, each was completely naked with no weapons. Gwen had 0 shadow arts, thus poison lasted 5 seconds. Norgu had 15 shadow arts, thust poison lasted 17 seconds. Tested against the Master of Damage, I activated Norgu first, then Gwen some time after. Did this 5 times, each time activating Gwen's later and later, every time the condition lasted 17 seconds according to the Master of Damage. In short: The if the same condition is reapplied to a target, the condition with the longest duration precedes the other. --Kipp 01:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "It's just a flesh wound"

Why isn't that on here? It puts a deep wound on yourself. It's not in the self inflict section--Darksyde Never Again 00:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I added it. br12 ~ 00:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed after update. Zyph Skerry 06:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anything that can be done bout gibberbots?

It's getting pretty annoying visiting this page every day to find it's just gibber → revert. -- Mafaraxas 20:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

See GWW:NOTICE. I asked if this page can be protected against IP's. — ク Eloc 貢 21:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Total Damage Equation

The total damage of a health degeneration condition can be found useing this: Total Damage = SecondsDuration * 2 * PipsOfDegeneration. Ex. A 15 second poison will do 120 damage (15*2*4 = 120). Assuming it lasts its whole duration. --Kipp 01:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

You're being redundant. The page you linked to already says a pip is equal to 2DPS. -- Mafaraxas 03:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Split Condition removal from Allies into Ally and Other Ally sections?

The section regarding condition removal from allies doesn't differentiate between those spells that can only remove conditions from other allies (eg: Mend Ailment) and spells that can remove conditions from allies including yourself (eg: Mending Touch). It gives the impression that only those spells shown in the "removing conditions from self" section can remove conditions from you which is misleading. Sadie2k 14:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Proposed Conditions for GW or GW2

• Exhaustion: I think Exhaustion should become a condition, where it lowers your max energy by 20%. Also, decrease attack speed by 25%.
• Frustrated: Skills cost 20% more energy; 25% miss chance with melee/projectiles (spells, wanding, arrows/spears).
• Confused: Randomly switch targets when using skills. For example, when using a healing skill, mistakenly heal a foe; when using a damage skill, mistakenly hit an ally.
• Mute: Either completely disables Shouts, or make them fail 90% of the time, or even better, make them only affect nearby allies.
• Deaf: Cannot be affected by Shouts.

Any other suggestions?--ChristopherRodrigues 18:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

These should probably go on one of the GuildWars X Suggestions pages. But since I mostly roll my eyes at those pages, I don't know the links. But interesting ideas. - THARKUN 18:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• AIDs: Your character dies after 10 mins. 80.192.133.131 00:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think existing conditions should have extreme forms that last a bit shorter and have few skills that enable them, I also thought that maybe stacking conditions might incur a more sever form, but that seems like it might make them too powerful. These are what I've thought of so far:

• Bleeding-------> Hemorrhage: suffer -5 health degeneration.
• Blind----------> Handicap: Normal blind condition + you are unaffected by shouts (deaf)
• Burning--------> Scorch: -10 health degeneration + -1 energy degeneration
• Cracked Armor--> Unarmed: -25 armor + -5 damage (via skills and attacking)
• Crippled-------> Dead Weight: Move 70% slower + activate skills 10% slower
• Dazed----------> Stunned: 150% slower skills (still easily interrupted)
• Deep Wound-----> Lasceration: 30% less health + 30% less healing
• Disease--------> Infection: -6 degeneration + range for infection increased, you can be infected twice from the same source (making epidemics a bigger issue)
• Poison---------> Toxin: -6 health degeneration + 50 damage if not removed prematurely
• Weakness-------> Fatigue: 75% less damage (still -1 attributes)

Those are just ideas but I think some of them could be re-worked, and some names aren't the best. Just a thought though. 68.187.16.3 04:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC) Gabe Yeah right, make deep wound even better, make condition degen-builds only need an apply ranger and some way to inflict infection (as it will probably renew itself way before it runs out or can be completely removed from the team), toxin would be THE way to make such a build even more overpowered, and dead weight would be better than all slow-hexes but mind freeze(where hexes should mostly be better than conditions, as they are harder to inflict and spread).....

Yeah, the point was that BECAUSE they are so much stronger, make them extremely hard and inconvenient to apply. For example, the Necromancer skill Rotting Flesh is an easy way to apply and spread disease. In GW 2, make a skill that applies infection, but at 15-25 energy, and/or some sacrafice or lengthy recharge. 68.187.16.3 14:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

very late---> I like this idea because you would be able to buff sever artery by adding Hemorrhage but still leave barbed arrows and barbed spear alone.--207.172.193.204 14:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Here and idea fo those extr conditions, when you use a skill that inflicts those conditions, you get "heavy exaustion", reducing your energy by 75%, Anna (marigu goke)

there is already a thing like "heavy exhaustion", exhaustion does stack so it would be likely the same

[edit] Deep Wound and Dervishes

Maybe before the Pious Assault rework they were in the "with difficulty" category but now any avatar user can apply relatively easy and often DW's. Suggest to move Derv into the easy DW category.78.2.21.93 04:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Skills that inflict conditions on foes?

Why are there not any skills on here that inflict conditions on foes on the article named "CONDITIONS"!?!?. Like Sever Artery, Blinding Surge etc...--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:125.236.133.197 (talk).

Why not add them? — ク Eloc 貢 23:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably, because the list would be too big for a single page. Is easier to check "skills that cause conditions on foes" by checking the individual condition articles.--Fighterdoken 23:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

ehm there is already some sort of page on there, just click on a condtion below on the page

you will gte a list of skill which cause that condition

[edit] Max duration

I did some testing and i found out that conditions can last for a max of 12 hours. Ill proivde proof here if someone tells me how to put screenshots here. Im going to add this into a notes section at the bottom of the page. If you think you can fit it in somewhere else where it fits better then go ahead. --Mashav 00:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok theres the proof... Sorry if i did something wrong uploading the pictures --Mashav 00:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

That is really cool. :D Mango 00:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you know those are the max durations? Did you and a friend plague signet back and forth more times than would result in 12 hour durations? ~Shard 02:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

ya, we did it for about 5 mins with QZ up... we calculated that if there was no cap it would have amounted to several thousand years of conditions....[EDIT] also the conditions all ended at the same time and considering their initial durations were very different they all must have hit a roof--Mashav 02:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

the Real time was actully 12hrs 00mins 05scds to be precise, but...|Killer demon 14:44, 25 January 2009 (UTC) P.s. Scds:Seconds

[edit] Lengthens condition duration by 33%

When an upgrade lengthens a condition duration by 33%, lets say a 5 sec dazed, will the resulting duration be 6.65 sec or will it be rounded? --SkyHiRider 20:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It should not round. Even on regular skills (eg Warrior Stances) the game will use fractions of seconds for the actual duration, but for simplicity it rounds them in the display monitor. ~ Da Si 18:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals

Apparently there are no skills listed that remove Conditions from foes, although these two identical skills should be added to this page. It might be useful if you're thinking of using Fragility and want to spike the Condition removal or you would like to avoid these skills in order to keep your conditions going.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:He Who Likes Arrows (talk).

Add them to the page? — ク Eloc 貢 18:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paragons Causing Dazed and Weakness

I know the "Thematic Ties" table is merely a guide and not hard science, but I noticed that Paragons were considered to cause Dazed and Weakness "with difficulty". I believe both should be "Easy". Paragons have an unconditional melee attack which causes Dazed (Spear Swipe). The fact that it is melee could be considered a drawback but for Paragon's 80 AL. For Weakness, I concede a second skill is needed, but the condition for Anthem of Weariness is any attack skill on any ally (with Paragons having the common and important Spear Mastery line to fulfill this condition). Also, Paragons can only cause Cracked Armor on themselves, so that should be "Never". -- Tofu

The issue with Spear Swipe is the enemy team can see it coming a mile away, when a paragon runs out of the midline. I'm guessing one criterion for "easily applied" is "do you need more than 1 skill to instantly achieve it"- anthem of weakness requires an attack skill, just like Stunning Strike requires a condition.FoxBat 13:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The list is not intended to represent player opinion. Anet have an internal list and this is supposed to be our best estimate of that on. Backsword 13:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why is being an off-hand estimated as "with difficulties" applied?

Yea, answer that. Noctarch 01:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

You could miss your lead? Which really fucks up the chain. prokiller88 00:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Missing with BHA is even easier than missing with the lead you need for Golden Skull Strike. Noctarch 08:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

What about beastual mauling or smoke trap? They should probably move assassins on the other side still. 209.175.45.152 16:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the table about difficulties of applying certain conditions

It actually shows many things that contradict, please discuss why it has a reason to exist. Noctarch 19:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I partially agree, because the table in current form is not informative, generally because of criteria of "easy" and "with difficulty" are not explained at all. However, with proper comments and some fixing, this table would become more helpful. For example, I can suggest to consider the difference between "easy to apply" and "easy to obtain" skills. If a condition can be easily applied with one elite skill, which can be captured only in one campaign near to end of storyline, I doubt that such case should be definitely counted as "easy". However, it's my opinion. --Slavic 15:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Added. Fox007 16:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Table with weapon/armor upgrades

I would like to propose another table to main article, which shows an availability of weapon or armor upgrade for different conditions. The table is developed here, I will transfer it to an article when it will be ready.

This table shows the availability of upgrades which can increase a length of condition on enemies or decrease a length of conditions on self.

Condition	For weapon, +33% on foes	For weapon, -20% on self	Rune, -20% on self
Bleeding
Blind
Burning
Cracked Armor
Crippled
Dazed
Deep Wound
Disease
Poison
Weakness

Please leave your opinion about this table. --Slavic 09:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Add PvE skills to tables?

^^ see thread title -- Karasu (talk) 13:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

clicking on the condition to see that is a enough in my opinion. Fox007 15:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Condition Application Order

When multiple conditions are applied at once (for example, using Screaming Shot along with Apply Poison and Ebon Dust Aura), is there a set order of application, or does it vary by skill(s)? In this example, does bleeding go on before poison and blindness? Would the order be changed if Screaming Shot were replaced with something like Hunter's Shot? --RoyHarmon 20:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

For skill like Hidden Caltrops it is a standard order and always the same. But i think that using your example it depends on which skills were applied first. i.e Apply Poison --> Ebon Dust Aura --> Screaming Shot. Causes Poison first, Then Blind and as last Bleeding. Fox007 08:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

EDIT:but since Preparations always go on top. Poison will be first i guess. Fox007 08:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the skills, for example with Crippling Slash it is cripple under bleeding, for Melandru's Shot it is bleeding under cripple. Also Fox, you are totally wrong, Apply Poison covers condition causing skills. Misery 08:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Just found that out lol :P but ebon dust inflicts the conditions before Screaming Shot. Fox007 08:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ranger deep wound...

its difficult to apply it? I see where its pve only. but still. theres no conditional to enraged lunge's deep wound. its just HEY YOUR PET HIT! FREE DEEP WOUND! personn5 00:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

since PvE is only a part of this game, I'd say no, especially since it is one skill, and it only does a deep wound in PvE. It would be misleading to people that were interested only in PvP. StatMan 05:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The conditional is that you have to have a pet 74.215.145.113 02:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)