Talk:Dhuum

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vandal

vandalism FTW? --The Holy Dragons 12:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Idd. Oh hey you're dutch! Bored at school too? DemonicFahrir 12:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Free Dhuum now!

If we do, then there's no undead in guild wars two, meaning that the Zhaitan issue is solved :D , minions spawn from the ground so nothing undead in plain dirt I hope and since we can't die in GW2 anyway, I'd say be gone with resurrections! Support us now by texting DHUUM! to 4040!--Mark, het Beest 16:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

The beast is right, free dhuum! (and when zhaitan's dead we lock him away again :3) DemonicFahrir 16:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

It's highly possible that Zhaitan's minions are not undead in the typical sense, but rather just made from undead bodies - much like how Kralkatorrik's minions are made from living. Also, the Elder Dragons' powers rival the gods' so I doubt Dhuum'd be able to do anything. However, you can expect - to a degree - that Dhuum would hate Zhaitan. -- Konig/talk 16:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Anybody else seeing an epic boss battle here? :P--Mark, het Beest 18:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

1 ecto on Dhuum. Zhaitan is Dhuumed imo DemonicFahrir 07:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I got 2 ectos on Dhuum, what's the odds? ®emi¢k§ 13:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd take that bet. ♥ Tyloric ♣ 06:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't. If eight of us can kick Dhuum's ass, you can bet Zhaitan can too. --24.220.131.207 19:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

We beat him down just as he broke free (same with Abaddon). Give him time and he'll be stronger (with each death in the Underworld, he becomes stronger). Konig/talk 21:04, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Vengeance is Ours

Can someone who's familiar with browsing the Gw.dat, check to see if the Vengeance is Ours skill still exists, because it might have been replaced with Impending Dhuum. According to the talk page on the other wiki, Impending Dhuum can be found in the Gw.dat, but Vengeance is Ours couldn't be found; if that is the case, Vengeance is Ours should be marked as historical and removed from the Dhuum article. --Silver Edge 00:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Really all that bad?

I'm confused. What did Dhuum do that was so deplorable? Not allow the dead to keep bugging the living? Balthazar killed dudes for beating him at board games! It's not like he went all abaddon rogue or anything... -173.151.101.233 00:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

He was an awful tyrant in the Underworld, by all accounts. Not only disallowing resurrection, but allowing his still-rampant minions to feast on the souls of the newly-dead. Plus he aids Abbadon plenty over the course of the game... -- Oiseau | 01:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

He didn't allow resurrections and he was unjust in how he acted as a god of death - and since his elite minions are skeletons, I'd assume that unjust is also known as hypocracy. Balthazar killed a man in rage but was sad he did such and had the man's spirit honored. Abaddon tried to oust the other gods from Tyria and create his own kingdom. Dhuum? He made people suffer and didn't give second chances. Also, apparently the 09 quests dialogues were changed and new lore on Dhuum came about/will be coming. What's known atm: Dhuum would hunt down anyone who managed to cheat death. So you get stabbed and it should be a fatal wound, but you manage to live? Too bad, Dhuum's a comin. "Dhuum awakens fueled by dark powers, eager to reclaim his seat as The Final Judge, and set to cull the life from those who cheat death. [...] Where Dhuum walks, candy man, no soul is safe!" I expect to see a couple more tidbits on Dhuum from the other quests. -- Konig/talk 01:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I would guess that cheating death is only referring to attempts at resurrection or undeath. 24.197.253.243 20:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It could also be a lot more generic too - such as surviving a supposedly fatal wound thanks to healing prayers, or being the lone(/one of a few) survivor(s) of a disaster. -- Konig/talk 22:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Konig, could you elaborate though on exactly how Dhuum caused people to suffer? I am not arguing with you, but I've read a lot of the dialogue and I'd like to know your take on it personally.--66.220.30.153 02:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

My take is stated - we now know Dhuum hunted down people (rather than simply not wish or not allow undead and resurrections, it was more that he persecuted them), and I think that those who "cheated death" could expand into those who almost died (akin to what people in reality would call a 'miracle'), and Dhuum also "promised death undeniable." Effectively, Dhuum never gave people second chances and, possibly, was against the use of magic to aid mortals (this last part is my own speculation). But what we know is what is important:

• He didn't tolerate undead or resurrections.
• He hunted down those who cheated death.
• He made a promise of "death undeniable."
• According to the Reapers, he was an unjust god. -- Konig/talk 02:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Dhuum is the final destination-184.193.146.49 01:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Dhuum in GW2

Beast was right! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks sweet, where did you find that? — Why 21:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Zhaitan has a problem, and everyone loves it 77.164.165.114 21:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to guess that that isn't Dhuum, as I saw it listed under Necromancer concept art a while a go. Perhaps Dhuum is an elite form or something for Necros? 98.210.8.185 21:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that is NOT Dhuum. That is titled "Zhaitan's General." -- Konig/talk 22:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Revelation about Dhuum's future? namely who releases him from his Underworld prison, and what his end of the bargain was? | 72 | 00:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Source, Konig? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

GuildMag was the first to get the image. Besides, while the color is similar and the clothing is similar, it's still vastly different - mainly, the fact that Dhuum lacks skin while that concept art doesn't. More than likely, it's just an Orrian and Dhuum holds Orrian clothing (or the clothing was based off of Dhuum's, lore wise - which isn't unlikely considering the gods lived in Orr). -- Konig/talk 00:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Not that I really care enough to push my silly hypothetical, but... where's the skin? | 72 | 01:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

On the concept art... all over the chest... stretched over what seems to be skulls. Another thing which is greatly different from Dhuum - Dhuum's a giant skeleton, this concept art looks like it could be made out of merged bones (akin to the tomb guardian in Ghosts of Ascalon, but a bit more fleshy). -- Konig/talk 01:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

So Zhaitan's general just happens to be a glowing green reaper-figure wielding a glowing green scythe? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 04:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It could be that Dhuum was designed after this concept art and that this concept art is scrapped from GW2 - similar to the lich costume, which is based off of something intended for GW2. -- Konig/talk 04:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok but can we all agree that a lesser-of-the-evils situation would be completely awesome, where you need to release Dhuum temporarily and convince him to destroy Zhaitan? Just admit it. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Already used that plot. --Riddle 19:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm, no I wouldn't say that plot is completely awesome. I'd say it's sub-par. Joko was able to make it work because he's an anti-hero rather than all out evil, like Dhuum who is possibly the closest thing to Satan that GW has. -- Konig/talk 22:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Then how are we supposed to stop a gigantic undead dragon? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 02:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

We'll find out in GW2. This isn't the GW2Wiki, and this topic should never of been on this wiki either - especially since it exists on the GW2Wiki already, in two different places. -- Konig/talk 02:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sealed?

When I finished Don't Fear the Reapers this year I was able to run into the Hall of Judgment and it looks like he's actually sealed in like a tear kinda shape, wasn't able to get a screenshot but I thought it'd be interesting to look into ~~ Observation

Great Ban

It's awsome way to ban. Just watched a couple videos and liked it. --Rosenfeld 11:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

i used grenth's balance on him just as he did it. he died instead. JunoNH 13:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

The best, though, was seeing it done to someone in the GToB. I had just finished playing with (but not using) the stylist, and although I didn't see who got it (there was a big (max-size or close to it) warrior in the way), it was cool seeing this huge figure swirl up out of the ground, take a swing, and then swirl back underground. Curiously, nobody else seemed to have noticed... Cynique 14:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

HP (again)

I took the chance after a HM run today – since I was the E/Mo – and did some more research. As I already suggested 80k–100k here in the archive, I'd state 80k now for pretty sure. Screenshot. – aRTy 01:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The Origin of Dhuum's Name

I think it is a high possibility that the name Dhuum comes from the word "Doom", but I'm not sure so I want to know what you other people think about that. --Hasselmannen 22:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's an acronym for Dry Humour Upsets Us Muchly. | 72 | 02:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Haha, good one. 76.216.213.149 04:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Grenth's Balance

What happens if you use this on him? 67.149.248.3 03:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Probably the same as with any other high-health enemy. For how rarely it seems to be used, against the high health enemies I would think this would be a must have to reduce a good chunk of the enemies' life fast. -- Konig/talk 03:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know, Grenths Balance is bad. It doesn't do much unless you yourself have a high amount of health, which in that case is STILL bad. Basically the way that skill functions is : You have 1000 HP. Dhuum has 80,000. Dhuum hits you for 900(example). You have 100HP left. You use Grenths Balance. You gain HAlf of your Maximum Health back(about 400) And Dhuum Looses the Amount that you gained. So he looses 400HP...every 10 seconds. Not that great.

SV,Empathy,SS and all those other Necro Elites are 1000 times better, dealing hundreds of damage per second.--24.239.166.194 09:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)Retro

Actually, you misunderstand how Grenth's Balance works. If you read the description, it says, "If target foe has more Health than you, you gain half the difference (up to your maximum Health), and that foe loses an equal amount." So, taking your example, if you have 100 HP and your maximum is 1000, as long as Dhuum has >= 1900 HP, you will "steal" (you gain and him lose) 900 HP (difference in HP >= 1800, divide by 2 and cap at your maximum HP and you get 900) from Dhuum, putting you at full HP and Dhuum 900 HP lower. It was once (and possibly still) the most popular way to kill Rotscale in a 3-man team, with Symbiosis, a few monk bonds (in particular Vital Blessing), and a massive HP tank that would use Grenth's Balance to heal to full HP and do huge amounts of "damage" to Rotscale, as long as he wasn't at low HP. --Seventh 06:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I still dont understand...

Why is Dhuum so bad, Ive read the above, and dont see the problem. In fact, all I see is five censurous, anti-anyother opinion, powerful group of gods. Why, if Dhuum doesnt let rezes or undead happen, is that so bad (beyond the fact it'd ruin me...)?-- Necro Shea Mo 02:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

such a troll, but anyway, it's the "death undeniable" thing... keeping people down is pretty serious! imagine if people died forever here on earth?? | 72 | 02:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's the fact that he hunts down those who cheated death - doubt that's in reference to something he didn't allow happening - and, as a possibility based on how he even escapes, it seems he utilizes souls for power (he gets powerful from deaths of creatures in the underworld), which is no different than what demons do. -- Konig/talk 03:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, the hunting down thing is bad, but arent, when youre dead deaad-oh, nevermind, I just proved the point... Imagine no way at all to even try to bring someone back... I still kinda think that that's how it should be... Except for the hunting people down.-- Necro Shea Mo 04:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Apparently Grenth disagrees (as does the dictation of game necessities). Besides, Dhuum is also responsible (either directly or indirectly, we're unsure) with making the Titans and working alongside demons. The demon thing may be post-downfall, but Titans have existed for "eons" (they're as old as the Forgotten, which are older than 3,000 BE - e.g., over 4,000 years old as of GW1, and the earliest mention of Grenth is 50-some BE - they're also know to the seers who's civilization collapsed before the Gods' arrival, the time of which we don't know but it is no later than the Forgotten's). And some fun fact about demons and titans: They are known to be very ravenous and greedy when it comes to devouring souls. -- Konig/talk 04:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

He just isn't much of a people's person :P - Arxae

bug spelling error?

Bug: After defeating Dhuum, King Frozenwind sometimes fails to teleport you into Dhuum's chamber, which prevents you from getting the Underworld chest. If this happens, you should run as far as possible back into wastes. Most often, this reactivates King Frozenwind and you can get the Underworld chest

King Frozenwind sometimes fails to teleport you into Dhuum's chamber

He can't teleport you, since you have to be in Dhuum's chamber to start the battle with him and can't leave after, so there is no way he could teleport you into Dhuum's chamber. The only explanation I can find for this is that it is a language error and it should be: Teleport to you. I'm going to change this, revise if you want or if I am wrong. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.95.85.186 (talk).

1) New sections go to the bottom. 2) Sign your comments with 4 tildes (~~~~). 3) The door to the chamber opens iirc, so I honestly don't know what the bug is referring to. -- Konig/talk 17:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Energy

His energy regeneration and energy pool are way too high it not sure about his exact energy but his regeneration is at least 9pips 78.35.150.158 07:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm finding that somehow doubtful. How were you to figure this out, I wonder? Konig/talk 16:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

esurge UWSC took me quite some time to get him down to 0 energy and when i used echoed esurge right after he hit 0 energy he took 27 damage 14 fastcast+essence reduces esurge to about 0.8sec cast w/e blahblahmumu hope you get my point, sincerely your 78.35.146.252 02:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Regains Health

It should be noted that Dhuum regains health for every enemy creatures that dies. This is noticeable when playing as SoS in uwsc runs, and you spam Sos on recharge, you see dhuum gain a few blips of health when spirits die, as compared to not spamming sos--Wracken 18:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Lolz

Dhuum says hi http://i.imgur.com/RXGG9.jpg 89.108.110.170 04:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Knockdown

"He can't be knocked down unless the duration of the knockdown is enhanced". Does that mean Earthbind in combo with Wanderlust can make keep him knock downed almost the whole fight thus making this quest way easier? --Kilaa1000 12:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. We used to use it with Great Dwarf Weapon + Earthbind back when Physway did UW. Chieftain Alex 12:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Dhuum's speech

His all capitals speech might be a nod towards Death from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Their dialogues are both in all capitals. --109.166.131.247 19:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed before, see the archive. --Silver Edge 05:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)