Talk:Drunkard

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Contents 1 Wow 0.ô 2 Weekend event 3 Number of minutes per drink. 4 Intoxication of Eggnog and Witch's Brew 5 Zoning and drunkenness 6 "Moral" message 7 Costs 8 Need to update Flask of Firewater. 9 Maxing the title for free

[edit] Wow 0.ô

Not any subject in the drunkard talk?^^ 87.177.228.6 17:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Were too drunk to write ~ Kurd 19:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

allo *hic* i am the drunk master *hic* add me please *hic* or am i not want *hic* =P--Maestro 23:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weekend event

Can we please have a weekend event were you get like 3 times the amount of drunk time??? that would be awesome it could be dubbed with a weekend of sweets were you get dubbed the points in the sweet title track. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.112.222 .

While it would certainly be nice, something like this is terribly unfair to those who had already spent the time and money to get their Drunkard title. -- ab.er.rant 08:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

And all the other weekends that have happened haven't been unfair like the luxon kruzick title weekend last weekend that wasn't fare to the people who got em but they did it any way. or this up comeing weekend? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.112.222 .

The faction weekends didn't require a huge amount of gold. -- ab.er.rant 01:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

it made the price of jade and amber drop --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.112.222 .

Good. They were needlessly expensive anyway. It doesn't affect a player at all. That's just a case of reduced profit. Gold for alcohol is expenditure. Reducing the amount alcohol needed means you're effectively mocking those who have already spent the gold for it. -- ab.er.rant 05:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I had a legendary survivor before the very first double experience weekend. I feel mocked. --24.179.151.252 06:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly :) -- ab.er.rant 07:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

you guys are n00bs i wasn't saying that it would be cheaper to buy it i was saying that it would make it so you would have dubble the amount of time and also anet doesn't care if they mock there players prime example the experience weekend and when they changed the kruzick/luxon title i would have been ter3 if they would have counted the stuff i spent on jade. also it just proves my point that they don't care and that your contradicting your self.

First warning to you on GWW:NPA. You don't appear to realise that doubling the amount of time you remain drunk = less alcohol needed = less gold needed. And I didn't even imply that I like those events that you mentioned. -- ab.er.rant 08:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Most every event makes some title or other cheaper. This one won't happen because it's easier and more entertaining to have monsters dropping booze for a weekend. --24.179.151.252 10:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

i don't care about warnings or treats to be baned from a wiki. also calling some one a n00b isn't a personal treat l2p it is in every game and is far play. i do agree that havening monsters drop boze more would be baller. and like i said before anet doesn't care if they mock there players. so doing a weekend like this wouldn't affect them + i don't think many people would get up in arms about havening a weekend were they could get a title easer. they have done it many times before like the sunspear points and lb point bonus weekend. or any weekend event for that matter. btw i don't care if you like the title idea i what positive feed back not your personal opinion.

OH AND ALSO "Equally, accusing someone of making a personal attack is not something that should be done lightly, especially if you are involved in a dispute." GG

Umm... editing away the word "retard" does not mean you take back your words. The reason I didn't revert your edit is because the policy allows for the removal of such words. I'm not "doing it lightly", I'm serious about it. And it's "threats". You posted a little comment on a wiki talk page. If you don't want opinions or responses, then don't post. If you want to suggest to ArenaNet, send it to them, not on a wiki talk page that will most likely be missed by them. As always, best place for suggestions is on fan forums. -- ab.er.rant 14:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

oh man i had that up there for all of 2 seconds so gg i am glad you had to go and look at the edit logs to justify yourself gg and also i relay don't care what kind of power trip you need to go on on a wiki. and i have read and talked to anet and they say they read things on both the wiki and fan sites. oh and also the part i was quoting from the personal attacks i was also quoting the part that says "especially if you are involved in a dispute." --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.165.112.222 .

Most regulars look at stuff on their watchlist via the diff function, which automatically shows the latest changes, so I didn't need to go dig through history to see your insult. Yes, of course Anet says they read stuff on both forums and the wiki, but Gaile has already mentioned a lot of times on this wiki that suggestions go best on forums. I'm not denying your right to post here, it was just an fyi for you. -- ab.er.rant 07:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

What if it simply took less time for the effects to wear off? I'd be all about spending only 6 hours rather than 16 hours to get this title. As if time moved faster :P Same price, faster title. Perhaps that is what the suggestion was trying to get all along? --Jasmine 01:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of minutes per drink.

I noticed that individual alcoholic drinks list the level it is worth, and a number of minutes it provides. Since minutes drunk is purely a function of maintaining a drunk - much like maintaining an enchantment, that the values listed are misleading, and should be removed. In its place, a generic line of text should be added to each beverage to reference the Drunkard Title page to see how best to use that drink towards the title. I'll do this myself, as long as several other people agree. LeFick 16:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intoxication of Eggnog and Witch's Brew

In my experience, these two drinks have an intoxication level of 1, contrary to 3 as stated on the article. Some testing and the drunk article on guildwiki supports this: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Drunk. An intoxication level of 3 would suggest you gain 1 min towards your title after drinking 1 of these drinks, this doesn't happen however. Anyone care to check/change this? Arduinna 19:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zoning and drunkenness

The other day my friend got a run from someone who was working on this title. He would basically drink 5, then zone, run someone, then come back and drink more. Does anyone know if you really stay drunk during that time in the explorable? --Jasmine 01:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Not 100% sure what you mean, but there was an update to the drink effect a little while back. Before, you could basically zone to get the title super fast (although more expensive), as the drunkedness could dissapear while zoning and at the same time attribute your title with the drunk minutes you had remaining. Now, your drunk level always is kept when zoning, so there is no way to "cheat" the title.--Lensor (talk) 12:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly, well--atleast not with missions, was doing Zen Daijun and Tahnnakai temple earlier today, and my drunkenness level did not change, nor did my title minutes go up after i drank the spiked eggnog, basically the zone f*cked me, making me lose title points.--Ʀєʟʟɑ 05:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Moral" message

"(While it is very amusing to get excessively drunk in game, it in no way is meant to endorse intoxication in real life. If you are old enough to drink - drink responsibly. If you are under age - Don't drink. And never, never drink and drive. This public service message was included to ensure that GW players will never be AFK for long.)"
I disagree with keeping this message on the page. We are not here to educate the players "morally", and it has nothing to do with the game. - anja 23:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Anja, the wiki is an encyclopaedic type record of the game. Not the public health commission. --Lemming 23:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It is sad to see that the percieved purity of a web based fan site for a fantacy roleplaying video game is actually more important than the health and well-being of its real world players. Thats all I'm going to say. LeFick 15:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be reworded into something like a disclaimer instead, saying ArenaNet and GW does not endorse excessive alcohol consumption. LeFick, should I go and add a warning about playing too much and all the wrist and health problems in Guild Wars? And perhaps a warning about violence in Attack, or about witchcraft inSpell. Don't misunderstand me. This is not about "purity", this is about scope. Morality is not universal. You are just going to get arguments about where exactly is the line for being immoral in different parts of the world. Look at what happened to the argument about profanity. -- ab.er.rant 02:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

My original intent was as a disclaimer. As for excessive game play, Anet already does that in-game every hour. Yes, there is a difference in opinion, and I have been following the profanity issue. (Good luck with that) LeFick 04:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

So does anybody deny that excessive drinking can be harmful? Does anybody think that SOME people might see the drunkard title as glorifying excessive drinking? Does anyone think the "moral" (that word is naturally going to bring people to oppose it - thanks for flagging this for all the anti-moral support you knew would come here) message is going to harm anyone? Does anyone think that having it there MIGHT discourage people from drinking, or at least make them aware that there is a difference between in game drinking and getting hammered in real life, and that no endorsement is intended? If you agree then leave the damn message there. 122.104.227.205 13:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No u, im drunkard on my mesmer, encourage excessive drinking gogo --Cursed Angel 13:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

(ri) If someone got drunk because they were inspired from a video game and dies or something, they deserve it on grounds of idiocy. Vanguard13:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Sweet Tooth warning anyone? "( *Do take note that eating excessive amounts of sweets may cause obesity.)" The note has nothing to do with the title and therefore shouldn't be listed. Fall 13:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Trying to give moral messages in a game where you kill human beings is kinda retarded anyways...--Ryudo 14:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It's harmless and has potential good(My response to the people who will say stop proposing things for personal viewpoints). Stop tearing down things based on personal viewpoints. 122.104.227.205 20:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If someone got drunk because they were inspired from a video game and dies or something, they do indeed deserve it on grounds of idiocy. What if that idiot decided not to after seeing the message? And in case you wanted proof regarding what people think, I suppose you weren't actually involved in any GW forums when the Drunkard title was first discovered. As for the Sweet Tooth comparison, well, "Sweet Tooth" and "Connoisseur" doesn't really imply being overweight, so it's a weak argument. -- ab.er.rant 01:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Something else to consider:

• Recently, The Children's Television Workshop released the original episodes of "Sesame Street", on DVD with a warning that they are not suitable for children. Among many other things such as cookie monster teaching kids how to eat in a way that may trigger the onset of diabetes or obesity, they are concerned that just the opening scene shows several small children playing on a rock without helmets or other protective gear.
• Another PBS related show, "The War" by Ken Burns points out that many of the still photographs used in the representation of contemporary life during WWII will show people smoking cigarettes.
• The Movie "Pearl Harbor" staring Ben Afleck made the deliberate decision NOT to show ANYONE smoking in their otherwise historical representation of a major historical event.

Why would they do that?

They do not want to be sued if some kid gets hurt mimicking a shot in the show. They are distancing themselves from the modern perception that showing the public "bad" habits or behavior, you can be sued for it. I just felt I should point this out.

• If you don't think people IRL don't mimic stupid behavior they see in a video game, then check this out:Video game defence

A 20-year-old man accused of a carjacking says he was driven to commit the crime after playing a violent video game for hours on end.

In what is believed to be a legal first in New Zealand, Sheik Tanweerul Haque Sahib is blaming the R18 video game Grand Theft Auto - an escapist shoot-'em-up where gamers are encouraged to steal cars by force - for an alleged incident in which he stole a convertible at knifepoint and then crashed after a motorway joyride.

• Just yesterday, CNN Headline news ran a story of just how STUPID young adults really are, by showcasing the many hundreds of personally posted videos showing under aged kids at parties absolutly blitzed.

--Lefick 02:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

We aren't here to enforce morales, we're here to document Guild Wars. — Skakid HoHoHo 04:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course we're not. The statement doesn't say "Please don't drink alcohol in real life, it's bad for you." I've deliberately reworded the statement so that it does not imply that we're moral guardians. It's just a disclaimer for ArenaNet. It has legal implications, not moral ones. I really don't care if some kid gets alcohol addiction, but I think that some people would mind if ArenaNet gets sued and is forced to remove the Drunkard title. -- ab.er.rant 05:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ryudo made a very good point up there that I am still waiting to be answered: How come you all are worried about the video characters drinking ingame alcohol, but not about video characters massmurdering ingame humans?

If there is a disclaimer added here, there need to be disclaimers added to ALL weapon articles stating that:

• "Do take note that ArenaNet does not endorse excessive slaying of humans with inserttypeofweapon in real life. Killing animals with inserttypeofweapon is also not encouraged."

While you are at it, insert similar statements to all skills that are about hurting others, statements against aggression to all articles about PvP, etc. --Xeeron 15:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

In the end, it just doesn't matter. If no one ever gets hurt, then no one will care either way. But if ANET ever does get sued, and has to charge monthly fees to cover the settlement, - don't blame me.--Lefick 18:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

We are not ANet's legal department. If they feel so inclined, they can add the damn notice themselves. On a side note, the foam-padding of everything is dumb, you cannot protect everyone from everything. I choose freedom > a few less tards killing themselves by choking on bricks while playing irl tetris. — Skuld 19:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Now that's just taking it too far. It's not up to (nor should it be) video game companies to be the moral guardians and/or babysitters for kids. That's the responsibility of the child's parents. Taking the question of "How come you all are worried about the video characters drinking ingame alcohol, but not about video characters massmurdering ingame humans?", if a child goes out and hurts or kills someone because of playing a video game... It's not the game's fault. The blame and owness falls squarely on the shoulders of the parents for not doing thier job as parents. The same thing applies if the child goes out and starts drinking every type of alcoholic beverage in sight. It's the PARENTS who are to blame for not raising thier child properly... Not the game or the game companies. The only reason parents are suing game companies, in my opinion, is because the irresponsible ones don't want to take the blame for THIER FAILURE to do thier job as parents. - Raknor - Talk 19:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, that and money. --71.229.204.25 19:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you Rankor, 100%; but thats not the world we live in. Meanwhile, I posted the question in Gail's page, and since it is their liability thats at stake, I'll wait to see what ANET says, as Skuld mentioned above.--Lefick 19:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You make the world you live in. If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. — Skuld

It's nice that you're worried about the legality and the potential filing of a lawsuit against ANet, but don't you think this was considered when they created the title and when it went to the ESRB for rating? Lefick, you obviously have moral issues with drinking (whereas many people don't), and those shouldn't be forced upon the community as a whole. Most people know that consuming too much alcohol can kill you, just as most people know that repeatedly slashing someone with a sword can kill other people. As others have said, why aren't we putting disclaimers on ALL potentially harmful activities depicted in the game? Singling out one specific activity is absurd; it makes it sound like you're forcing your moral agenda on others. And if someone is going to drink so much that it kills them, I doubt some message on a wiki is going to persuade them otherwise. Leave the legalities of the game up to ANet's legal department. Kokuou 20:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of their legal department, perhaps the whole issue is covered under the last line of Section 12 of the EULA: "You agree that NC Interactive cannot be held responsible or liable for anything that occurs or results from accessing or subscribing to the Service." Not to mention all the other legal phrases in there that require more attention than I want to give to understand fully.72.235.4.162 05:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a game to have fun, the wiki to store game-related data. If we look into morals, removing the blood was more than enough. Extinct races, racial hate, animal killing, people hitting people... this is a game. Just that. Once rated, parents are responsible of what children do or see. They have been already warned. No need to bring here double or fake morals. Use the serachs a look for 'disclaimer', you'll find the EULA. Everything has been already said there. "The common sense is the less common of the senses", yeah, you learn that when you see american lawsuits, oudated laws still working and recopilations of warnings some companies have to add to instructions, such as "Do not use via anal" for a stick to curl the hair. You really want to bring such nonsense to this wiki? Just look at Alcoholic Beberage. See any disclaimer about Wikimedia supporting or not drinking alcohol? Well, your answer is the same for adding such a thing to wiki. You CAN make your characters drink, that's all, everything else is out of the game. And only when it's out of the game when disclaimers are needed, like the TexMod warning. MithranArkanere 12:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

(RI) All those who feel so strongly about this wiki not haveing any obligation to protect the public from themselves (I agree, it is stupid but) should visit the main page of the wikipedia.... Link and see the disclaimer about the daily photo of a motercyclist. I suppose its not there job either to point out that jeans are not considered safe clothing, but they did. It is a daily pic so if you read this post after December 20th you will have to follow the archive link they provide.--Lefick 17:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I mean. I'm not against disclaimer. But ONE in a separate page is enough. There is no need for add a warnings in every single page that is about something in-game. MithranArkanere 20:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

If someone uses this wiki, he should have seen the ESRB sign on the game site/package. [1]. It gives a clear warning and should be enough in my view. No need to add more on top of that to the wiki pages. Morgoth Bauglyr 13:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Costs

I tried to edit the table, but I don't have the wiki know-how. I think costs should be included, i.e. how many of what drop can be exchanged. Alaris 15:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it would make that table even more cluttered since the sources for alcoholic drinks are just so varied. -- ab.er.rant 08:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need to update Flask of Firewater.

In the recent update, Firewater now gives level 5 drunkness/3 minutes of drunk time upon consumption of 1 firewater instead of how it used ot be: level 3 drunkess/1 minute of drunk time upon consumption of 1 firewater. :)

Yeah. It seem to be a misunderstanding with the updates page. They say it gives 3 minutes. But they don't say a thing about 'drunkenness level'. That's something 'made up' by players. If it gives 3 minutes, then it has to be level 5, like Spiked Eggnog and Aged Dwarven Ale. I don't know if there are 'level 3' alcoholic drinks, but I know that if you drink a single Flask of Firewater, you are drunk 3 minutes, so it's level 5/3minutes for a single flask. I'll fix it. MithranArkanere 12:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Firewater used to be a "level 3" drink, its what I used exclusively to hit the first rank in drunkard. Essentially starting from 0 you would bypass the first 2 sober levels and gain 1 minute of drunkard at level 3 from it. It was nice because as an intermediary drink you could very efficiently use those and only those to work on drunkard. Now everyone will have to use a combination of 5/1 items which means multiple types that may or may not stack to achieve the same efficiency. It would be better if we had a 7 "level" system now to make full use of the "level 5" drinks but thats just my take on it. 67.191.245.177 16:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The max level is 5 so a level 7 drink would be a waste.

No you misunderstood my comment, I was proposing a maximum drunk level of 7 i.e. 5 minutes or points of accumulated drunk time instead of the current 3. Reason being with the old Firewater at level 3 you could drink 1, wait 1 minute and drink another to maximize use bringing the total level back to 5. With intermediary drinks no longer existing the only cost effective option left would be to use one of the level 5 drinks to reach maximum drunk and then sustain it using level 1 drinks or wait until you are completely sober at level 0 and consume another level 5 drink. With a 7 level system you could use solely level 5 drinks to the same effect getting all 5 potential minutes out of the item instead of just 3 and wasting 2 minutes per level 5 drink with the current system. 67.191.245.177 20:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Increasing the max would be coo, but not to 7, but 255. or so. You suggest that here: User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Guild_Wars_suggestions MithranArkanere 00:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maxing the title for free

For those of you who want to max this title but just don't have the money to do it, I thought I'd mention that if, starting from now, one was to farm around 28 Sentient Roots (or a similar item accepted by Wintersday collectors) every day for the next year, they'd be able to trade them in for 3333 Spiked Eggnogs by Wintersday 2008, thereby obtaining enough booze to max the title, from scratch, for free.

YES, I know this won't appeal to everyone. YES, I know it's as easy, if not easier, to simply farm enough gold to buy the nogs in the time it would take to farm the roots. And YES, I know I'm a moron. But this particular method appeals to me and my style of play, and I just wanted to post it in case it appeals to anyone else. I was frustrated that I only thought of it about a month before this year's Wintersday, and I wouldn't want anyone else to get pissed off that they only thought of it when it was too late too. --Mme. Donelle 18:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

One should also mention that there is the, small, chance that you will not be able to trade the roots for alcohol at wintersday 2008 or that there will be no wintersday 2008. Granted, it is unlikely, but should it happen nevertheless, it would make for some unhappy roots collectors. --Xeeron 00:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

That's certainly a possibility, but it does seem unlikely. All the Halloween and Wintersday collectors have been consistent for three years now; I'd be surprised if they change on the fourth. Worst comes to worst, you can merch the roots for 30k. --Mme. Donelle 01:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The best option are PvP and Canthan festivities. Victory tokens. Tons of them, save cash and use them to get even more Victory Tokens. Then get Flasks of Firewater. MithranArkanere 01:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Victory Tokens are a rarity which only become available two or three times a year; regardless of how much you farm, it's damn hard to come up with enough tokens to get 3333 Firewaters in a few weeks. Isn't Firewater worth 10 tokens? That's 33,330 tokens in (let's be generous) 4 weeks, or 1190 tokens per day. That's nearly 5 full stacks a day.

As for PvP, simply not everyone is good at PvP. Certainly, very few people are that good. The Zaishen Chest drops Firewater at a rate of approximately 23% (according to the Zaishen Chest Drop Rate Survey). Therefore, it would statistically take around 14,332 Zaishen Keys, or 71,659,500 Balthazar Faction, to obtain 3333 Firewaters.

Obviously, there's no reason why one can't use PvP and Tokens to supplement one's root farming, but yeesh. Give me half an hour killing plants outside Kamadan anyday. o.O --Mme. Donelle 02:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I like your way of thinking Donelle -- going to start collecting a bit each day until Wintersday. :) Conscript 11:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

but i still don't get why your header is called "Maxing the title for free". It's cheaper, but can by far not be called "for free" 0.ô —ZerphaThe Improver 11:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, it's worth mentioning that you still have to take 10000 Minutes (that's about one week 24/7 clicking every three minutes) to achieve the title. —ZerphaThe Improver 11:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

To coin a phrase, "time is money". --Lemming 11:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

No no no, you guys are all missing the final piece of the puzzle. Once you save up all the roots for the 3333 spiked eggnogs, you USE the eggnogs while farming MORE roots! Thus it's an endless cycle of drunkardness, and no-lifing! Pretty epic. Plus the roots and extra eggnog would be completely useless once you max out the title, but that just adds on to the epic-ness, right? Silavor 03:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)