Talk:Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support

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XD, this skill is so neat.--Eloc 07:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Bug? 2 Stats 3 Signet of Illusions 4 lol 5 Progression Table using SoI 6 Assassin's Promise 7 Non-exploitable corpse? 8 Worth having? 9 Unkown Species? 10 Quotes 11 New pos-update stats table 12 SoI & Illusion Magic Progression

[edit] Bug?

Are these supposed to die in 1 hit? I even took it to ascalon and if anything attacked it it would die instantly. Eric368 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

They also die when instant when they get a condition ~ Kurd 08:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

A few days ago, I had an Assassin with half a health bar...so I think that bug has been fixed. Nicky Silverstar 16:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stats

At level 10, they do 23 damage with Iron Palm and get 2 Energy per critical hit, indicating 6 Deadly Arts and 8-12 Critical Strikes. -- Gordon Ecker 10:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added a research table. -- Gordon Ecker 09:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the stats have been updated. Iron Palm now does 26 damage at rank 2 even though it used to only do 23 damage at rank 4. -- Gordon Ecker 04:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I just added rank 0 to the table. I'll check with the other ranks when I reach them. — Galil 14:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You know, the stats doesn't necessarily have to have been updated. Just now I he did 20 damage with Iron Palm at rank 1 when he did 23 earlier today at rank 0. Guess he just needed the stat points for something else. ;) — Galil 20:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Rank	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Level	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20
Critical hit energy gain	?	?	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	?	3
Critical Strikes rank	?	?	8-12	8-12	8-12	8-12	8-12	8-12	8-12	?	14?
Normal attack non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	10-17	10-18	12-20	12-22	?	14-26	16-31	?	?
Normal attack critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	22-30	14-25	17-29	20-31	?	20-36	23-40	?	?
Fox Fangs non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	32-38	37-47	37-45	40-49	?	41-52	45-55	?	?
Fox Fangs critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	47	47	43-52	45-53	?	58-63	51-67	?	?
Nine Tails Strike non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	38-49	44-51	46-51	49-59	?	42-61	54-67	?	?
Nine Tails Strike critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	46-54	52	57-62	57-66	?	57-70	61-79	?	?
Dagger Mastery rank	?	?	?	?	?	12-13	?	?	12-15	?	?
Iron Palm damage	?	?	26	26	23	29	?	32	29	?	32
Deadly Arts rank	?	?	7	7	6	8	?	9	9	?	9

Seeing as I don't want to overwrite your values when filling out the table, I've made a copy below which I'll be populating instead. — Galil 00:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Rank	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Level	14	14	15	16	16	17	18	18	19	19	20
Critical hit energy gain	2	2	2	2	?	?	?	2	2	?	3
Critical Strikes rank	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	?	?	?	9-12	9-12	?	14+
Normal attack non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	8-14	8-15	9-17	10-18	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Normal attack critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	11-18	12-21	13-24	14-26	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Fox Fangs non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	30-36	31-38	32-40	33-41	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Fox Fangs critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	33-40	35-44	36-47	37-49	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Nine Tails Strike non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	40-46	41-48	42-50	43-51	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Nine Tails Strike critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	43-50	45-54	46-57	47-59	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Dagger Mastery rank	10	11	11	11	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Iron Palm damage	23	20	26	26	?	?	?	29	32	?	32
Deadly Arts rank	6	5	7	7	?	?	?	8	9	?	9

Level 20, the energy gained by critical strike is offenly of 3, but not always, it sometimes is 2... lussh 13:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

At level 20, it has at least 14 in crit strikes since attacking the student of weakness on the isles still gives him +3 energy even if weakened. --SkyHiRider 12:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signet of Illusions

With 12 points in Illusion, the Ebon Assassin is level 18. I'm not quite sure how the points line up, since I know they aren't one for one in the other title tracks, but thought this info would be handy for someone. Also, Arcane Echo and Echo can be used with this to spawn 3 short term assassins, but its more gimmick than useful. Quite funny though! -- Ale 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

with 16 Illusion magic, the sin will be lvl 21. (The stats for this case is missing on the table :P) —ZerphaThe Improver 13:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] lol

If it takes damage, or suffers from a condition, it dies. So worthless, not even funny. Readem Sorry, I'll stop trolling now. 00:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a bug with the HP; it probably has no health, so the next time anything touches it, the game re-checks and says "oh wait, he's dead". Could be a glitch from the sneak peek; you couldn't get to rank 1 in Ebon Vanguard, so they might have left out some data, which had side-effects on some of the scaling skills. -- Jioruji Derako.> 02:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Progression Table using SoI

I hope they don't nerf SoI... I had lots of fun using that elite with this skill. Anyway. I managed to do a progression table for the Assassin's level. Here it is:

Progression
Ebon Vanguard rank	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Level	10	11	11	12	13	13	14	15	15	16	17

Even though the highest rank is 10, I tested him with illusion magic 15... he spawned as a level 20 assassin... level 21 at rank 16. I didn't add these results to the main page because of this. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Terra Xin .

I think we should still use the tooltip progression in the infobox and include any irregularities in the notes section. I don't think the highest rank for any of the Eye of the North reputation titles is confirmed. -- Gordon Ecker 11:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

And title skill tooltips now show 0...max rank progression ranges instead of 0...(80% of max rank) progression ranges, at least for Factions and Nightfall title skills. -- Gordon Ecker 11:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The skill progression range for the effects monitor tooltips is 0...10 for Deldrimor and Norn skills. -- Gordon Ecker 01:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I just read the SoI page... good stuff. Hopefully these titles will scale in the same way as the Sunspear and Luxon/Kurzick titles.(Terra Xin 06:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)) :D

[edit] Assassin's Promise

Very fun skill to combo with this one. "Assassin party at my house! I promise!" I've had three or four assassins up at once at rnak 0. It's hard though given their 1 hp... ~ Kailianna Firesoul 22:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-exploitable corpse?

Hmm it's pretty strange. My Olias has no problem raising minions from the corpse of a fallen Ebon Vanguard Assassin. Hero bug or is it an error of the wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.65.165.35 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC).

I was prity certain that id seen a minion raised off him however when it ocured to me to test it i couldnt replicate its most probably a bug posibly resulting from certain types of death hence the problems recreating it.--Demonthorn 21:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It may have something to do with his lifespan. If he's killed prematurely, his corpse is exploitable until the spell duration is up. That would make sense to me, I suppose. So like, if he lives for 10 seconds, but is killed before 3 seconds are up, you'd have 7 seconds to use the corpse. RitualDoll 19:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Worth having?

Eh, posted this on the wrong wiki so I'll report on the OFFICIAL one :P

Is this skill worth having on a bar? Or is this just for fun, like while getting a run, playing with in low level areas, or during a HFF run? Vanguard 15:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Worth it if only for the fact that he iron palms right off the bat. It's like a slightly more conditional gale without the exhaustion and a whole lot of follow up damage. It also provides a good "decoy" if you need it, and can be echoed to devastate enemy lines. AoE hex or conditions then spam them out on different targets. They also last a lot longer at higher levels too.70.124.126.83 13:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Higher levels. I have no real plan of farming Vanguard points so would it be useless for my particular character with the skill? Vanguard 17:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've actually enjoyed this skill. As stated above, foes will use their initial spells blasting the disposable assassin. As a warrior, it's nice when they use their snare on the ebon support rather than myself as I charge in. Also, since all the skill attacks ignore blocking, it's a good way to hit with some damage against foes with blocking skills. --Thervold 17:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't answer my question. Is it only good when I have like r5+ Ebon Vanguard faction? Vanguard 17:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I treat it like a minion, if it dies, it soaked up damage, and more importantly, sometimes a hex. SystemisFlawed

Definitely worth having. — ク Eloc 貢 01:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

loll i really like this skill well against char but with the bug it has apparently it seems silly lol --Wild rituals 03:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You mean that 1-hit thing? Apparently it's been fixed.- Vanguard 16:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

BHA + This = Good Synergy. Hit with BHA and then summon the Sin, and he gets his knockdown, and then continues to keep the target (spellcaster) pinned thanks to the Sin's decent attack speed =D --Srakin 07:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Also Excellent synergy with Pain Inverter - give the enemies something to hit, then punish them for hitting him :^D. He can take down most spellcasting foes in nm on his own with pain inverter to help him.--Son of Batman 14:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unkown Species?

hes a human isnt he?.....--Raph Talky 15:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

nvm....re-checked the article....--Raph Talky 15:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

In battle I saw him shout "To Arms! To Arms!" xD Also, maybe a note should be made that he looks identical to Vael? Hell, I think Vael uses Crude Daggers too. =o --Srakin 07:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like all summons use that quote. My Naga Salmon just said it <_< --Srakin 01:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Lulz. I want Naga Salmon too. . . Foolsauce 18:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New pos-update stats table

I'm doing some testing with the assassin, I'l try to fill up as much of it as I can. --SkyHiRider 12:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Rank	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Level	14	14	15	16	16	17	18	18	19	19	20
Critical hit energy gain	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	?	3
Critical Strikes rank	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	9-12	?	14+
Normal attack non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	19-35
Normal attack critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?-49
Fox Fangs non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Fox Fangs critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	79
Nine Tails Strike non-critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Nine Tails Strike critical damage range vs. AL 60 target	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Dagger Mastery rank	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	15
Iron Palm damage	23	23	29	29	29	32	32	32	32	32	32
Deadly Arts rank	6	6	8	8	8	9	9	9	9	9	9

[edit] SoI & Illusion Magic Progression

Is it possible to add a Progression table for use with the Signet of Illusions to this page? Particularly for high values of the Illusion Magic (16+). I came here looking for exactly that but couldn't find anything beyond the normal maximum for the title track. The table under SoI just shows a comparision with the title track, and therefore has about half the possible values missing.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:91.84.121.119 (talk).

Its already covered on the Signet of Illusions page. I'm not sure the point of duplicating it, but what do other people think?- TheRave (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Id say its redundant information, plus its misleading - some people may thing that they can get it normally since not everyone knows about SoI. --SkyHiRider 01:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)