Talk:Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support

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cool --24.200.100.192 03:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC) where do you get this skill ? 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Awww i was hoping for somthing along the lines of the Ebon sin.... but nooooo124.177.71.100 07:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

At rank 5, this deals 58 piercing and 15 seconds of bleeding vs. charr. -- Mafaraxas 07:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool, now we know you can read Loser223 23:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey loser, look at the date i posted that. This was before everyone maxed out all the titles and we had all the info. -- Mafaraxas 20:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 FPS Doug 2 Hidden Messages 3 Trivia Section 4 Bleeding Duration 5 Changing piercing 6 Highest Damage? 7 Sniperway? 8 Awesome skill even on a Monk! 9 Question 10 Luck? 11 Critical % increase?? 12 Expected Value 13 Trivia changes

[edit] FPS Doug

who the hell is that, Ive been hearing "boom headshot" for at least 10 years now, no way that guy was the one who invented it Talamare 01:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hidden Messages

So.. Yeah, after the update I went to the Master of Damage to have some fun and I noticed that every time the bonus damage kicked in a message popped up in my chat log, a different one every time. I'll go ahead and add the ones I found to the page Ironboot 00:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Already started.. btw i left the bleeding duration like that as i don't know the min or max. (:--Spider 00:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

ePICcieiieidepeicccccepic.

Boom! Headshot! 193.91.164.176 01:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It was so fun getting my first headshot ^_^ 000.00.00.00 01:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

anyone thinkin about having 8 party members echo,arcane echo, ebon vanguard sniper support vs mallyx, 8 members using it 24 times would yeild at least 1 or 2 900 hits--

That damage is insane! This skill is actually worth something now. It might actually make me max out my Ebon Vangaurd rank.

Anyone got a headshot with Asuran Scan? :P --SkyHiRider 05:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

>.< Poor end-game bosses, they don't stand a chance anymore. Is the 500-900 damage armor-ignoring because it's +damage, or is it simply a really large attack of piercing damage as far as armor is concerned? Silavor 06:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

24.154.188.10 03:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope, piercing damage. As an example, does about 120 280 to ettins warriors in EoTN hm, takes half a health bar from hammer dwarves, and takes a full health bar from dwarven healers.--Fighterdoken 06:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sniper support is a spell, not an attack. 000.00.00.00 06:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

"additional +540...900 piercing damage." -- Mafaraxas 06:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the only Spell that inflicts physical damage. 000.00.00.00 07:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, so is the additional +540/900 damage actually there, or is it a typo? :X 08:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but with a 10% chance :P not rly one of the best skills. Ninjas In The Sky 08:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This plus Intensity = drools :P if you're lucky :P That was the first time I've ever seen any damage reach four digits, sure it was on 60 armor but still O.O File:User 000 00 00 00 drools.jpg 000.00.00.00 09:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Quick, someone get a screen of a headshot with Asuran Scan. --76.25.197.215 09:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tested with master of dmg, asuran scan does not change the dmg this skill do, tested with and without headshot happening.

Of course it doesn't, Asuran Scan affects your attacks, Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support is a spell, thus why I used Intensity since it affects spells. 000.00.00.00 19:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) used it on a lvl 1 in Sunqua Vale, hit him for 2700 dmg! This skill is just insane (and i love it :D)--Treasure Boy Talk 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This is indeed useful versus Charrs, not versus non Charr I think. --NeHoMaR 00:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone use this with "By Ural's Hammer" (25% more dmg) it could be nasty....~~

Because I get bored easily at the moment: By Ural's Hammer and Sniper Support File:User 000 00 00 00 drools1.jpg

And because I was still bored: By Ural's Hammer, Intensity and Sniper Support File:User 000 00 00 00 drools2.jpg

I get bored easily. 000.00.00.00 02:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

I edited parts of the trivia section, to reflect reality. Sniper's are taught "one shot, one kill" while in training. Plenty of Military and History channel sniper specials have covered this. As far as the quote from Psalms.. there is no other quote remotely similar. This cannot be misconstrued as anything BUT the Psalms 144 entry: "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight". Khanduras 00:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bleeding Duration

Isn't 25 seconds for me.. 14 seconds at R5--Spider 12:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The skill description is indeed incorrect - the Bleeding Duration depends on title rank (13 seconds at rank 4) Clan Yumemiru 22:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Bleeding Duration at rank 7 is 18 seconds. Clan Yumemiru 14:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changing piercing

Greater Conflaguration/Winter ranger + 7 Echo/Arcane Echo/ Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support? 1337.

[edit] Highest Damage?

Well, guildy showed a screeny with him doing 5500 dmge with this. Still not outclassed by the catapult on the Isle of nameless (as you can do 9999 with that one), but still insane :P Smurf Minions 22:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

5,5k? Can i see this screenshot? Cuz i can't imagine how to do that Pakuna 13:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Highest I've gotten Sniper Support to hit for, with shouts and enchantments is 3628 but could see it getting slightly higher than that, maybe not 5500 damage though, not by itself at least. 000.00.00.00 02:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

--JonTheMon 14:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Why is it hard to imagine? Slightly boosted, against some stupid target using healing sig+frenzy at the same time. That's 3600 base damage. If your base damage is 3600, I'll leave it up to your imagination how to get the remaining 33% of the way to 5.5k. I will note, I've never seen the trebuchette on the Isle of the Nameless do over 700-ish damage, even on a direct hit. So if that can hit 9999, no reason this can't match or surpass it.

What about using it with lightbringer title up on "demonic servant" using frenzy/frenzied def?--83.6.36.95 14:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

This is super gimmicky, but what about Vengeance? That'd be another 25% damage increase. Zoe 05:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Use Signet of illusions,Golden Egg, Candy Corn, Grail of Might, and the Mesmer of Lyssa Blessing along with Intensity, vengeance, a +3 illusion rune on illusion mask. Can somebody test that? (And add anything I missed =))--Alsin 05:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sniperway?

Well, they managed to ruin the blessings beyond belief... but there's sniper now. Just wondering, it might be possible to have a team of 6 Me/E or E/Me and 2 HB monks farm Charr. Echo + Arcane Echo + Intensity + Sniper Support would be pretty devastating... I'm sure there are other skills you could use to boost damage, any suggestions? Of course, they're going to nerf sniper when I hit r10 like they did with Ursan... but it's worth a shot. --71.70.200.231 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You forgot Asuran Scan. 70.126.107.48 02:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Asuran scan affects attacks, not spells. Intensity is what you are looking for.Pika Fan 05:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised how many people think its an attack... but against non-charr the bonus is difficult to get, even with all the echoing. Charr are limited to area, which is nice as they don't really have that much of value. [watches Gwen kicking a charr missing half of its head] "yeah..." 000.00.00.00 06:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

dmg does not ignore armor, is no longer aoe .. 87.189.207.192 10:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

They won't nerf it, this is a noob skill compared to other pve skills. It's piercing damage so it's not armor ignoring, and i tried using it against a worm in sacnoth valley, the "Headshot" only did -237 (Note the regular sniper shot is only -37). It's a bad skill unless used with intensity stacked with Ural's Hammer, now you've got your 3 PvE skills and you could do more damage with different PvE skills so the whole idea sucks ass.--68.116.156.71 01:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you just completly ignore 25 seconds of bleeding? Up to 8 enemies bleeding for a long time one second after the start of the fight isn´t good?

are you afk or why should your enemys bleed for long time ? 87.189.234.105 18:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Already made lol [1]--Relyk 22:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awesome skill even on a Monk!

I take this with alot on my monk. Since the UA update i have a free slot where i used to put my rez skill. Now i take this skill with for those impossible to kill monks that are encountered. Granted odds wise it would take 10 casts to kill something, thats 160 seconds which is a touch under 3 min. If i were crafty i would set up a dual 10/10 recharge set. This skill isnt for making builds that will spam it. This is for impossible to kill tripple to quadrouple monk teams often encountered in pve--Justice 21:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

i honestly have no idea why people call some groups "impossible ot kill monks" just because it has ~3 monks in it-- i have NEVER encountered this "issue" myself (even on hard mode). it's called "focus your fire power onto 1 target". ;) --Uchiha Lena 05:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

and technobabble. -- Mafaraxas 04:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

try vanqing ascalon area on a monk using heros, its not impossible but its damned near. Grawl are rediculous there. Backbreaker+counterblow, healing hands+healother+healarea. Get more then 2 warriors and they beat anyone down in a matter of seconds. Get more then 2 monks and you just hope its possible for them to run outa energy (not sure that it is).--Justice 07:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

tried a Mesmer yet? Backfire, Empathy, Spiteful Spirit, Visions of Regret, Pain Inverter, Scourge Healing ... Or just general tanking + nuking -- Karasu (talk) 19:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pain inverter on monks. That's clever.Pika Fan 20:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Especially if they smite or reverse damage. Ion cannon anyone? Karasu (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I took out the part of the note that says the phrase "Boom Headshot" is originated from FPS Doug. Boom Headshot was used commonly way before 2004. 82.12.253.187 23:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually im not even gonna try convincing people of that ^^ 82.12.253.187 23:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

FPS Doug Eh, I'm sure he plays Counter Strike ;) T1Cybernetic 23:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

If you hit a Charr, can you get the bonus damage double? its just not entirly clear on the page, or simply anywhere else.

Hello. First off, please sign your comments with a hyphon (-) followed by 4 tildes (~). Secondly, no, the double damage only triggers once upon successful activation. So, in short, against a Charr you have a 25% chance instead of 10% chance. -Lena™ talk 11:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Luck?

The chance isn't increased by luck title is it?
I ask, because someone with a near max luck title, is getting every use a crit. Where I'm only getting 1 in every 10 uses. and I'm at R2. -- StimpsonJKat 16:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh? How many times have you seen this happen? Can someone go test this? -- Karasu (talk) 20:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be luck...though one time, when I was doing Thirsty River, I got a headshot on all 6 of the Enemy Priests. Silver40596 00:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You see, Spine has Prosperous for luck title, and every use is a critical... where I'm merely Lucky, and getting 1 in every 10. I haven't seen anyone else using this skill to fully calculate, but just these factors alone should be worth testing. --StimpsonJKat 20:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

"Every use is a critical" facts please... you can start by verifying yourself over a larger number of samples... try doing it 500 times on a training dummy and see if you get more than 50 if it is signifigantly more then you might be onto something... MrPaladin talk 20:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, go to Wikipedia and look up "normal distribution".

500 tries would prove absolutely nothing, the best way is to use medium amounts of small samples, e.g. 8 groups of 15 and test it that way. It's more accurate, and faster. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:24.78.51.88 (talk).

Any sample larger then 6 (number of priests found in Thirsty River) is definatly a start... MrPaladin talk 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

The fact that I got 6 in a row is probably due to chance, but for some reason I seem to get more headshots on bosses. Silver40596 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Critical % increase??

Can anyone confirm if >% of critical hit related skills (or > Critical Strikes attribute for Assassins) increases your chance to crit with this skill?

I use this on an A/R build with Assassins Promise as the elite (thus usually I get to cast it multiple times in a given fight. I went out with 12 in Critical Strikes accidentally (I usually have 12 in Marksmanship fo rthis build - oops) and it seemed that I was getting an inordinate amount of crits with this skill throughout the mission, sometimes as many as 2-3 in a row and once I got 6 in a row (Yes SIX, I couldn't beleive it either - No, I wasn't fighting Charr).

My immediate response was that the > Crit Strikes was the cause, but I also know it could have been just dumb luck so now I want to know if I was lucky or if the crit % can be increased for this skill.

Thanks in advance.

No. --Gah_ 17:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Expected Value

The expected damage of EVSS is: 189...315

This damage is comparable to that of Savannah Heat's full duration damage at higher Ebon ranks. I know this isn't any sort of groundbreaking discovery, but it certainly goes to show just how "balanced" PvE skills are. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I should note that I only did calculations for the Charr. Too lazy to open Calculator back up to do it for non-Charr. =/ ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia changes

I'm not particularly passionate about any of the trivia; I do think we should emphasize facts and decrease the amount of speculation we include these types of notes. So, I disagree with the some of the recent changes:

• We don't know for a fact that any of these lines are references; these are educated guesses. If we can confirm developer intent, then let's link to the relevant source.
• The Enemy at the Gates line is a rephrasing, not an exact quote. Also, to the extent that the Sniper's chatter references the movie, the movie equally calls upon Isiah.
• The Battle of Stalingrad took place during World War II; Consequently, it seems redundant to describe the source as both, about the Battle of... and as a World War II movie.

  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

References are not exact quotes, they are words said in reference to an original comment. They can be exact quotes, but they don't have to be. I am, very unhappy with "may be a reference to", it either is or it isn't, if you are uncomfortable with them being listed as references, feel free to confirm their nature and either remove them, or leave them as definite references, but I consider listing possible references to be unprofessional and inappropriate. I am comfortable that all the currently listed references were intended, but I will concede that the source is misquoted. If someone makes a reference to a Metallica song that references a colloquial saying, the reference is to the Metallica song, not the colloquial saying. Misery 19:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)