Talk:Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support

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[edit] Cool

cool -- 03:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC) where do you get this skill ? 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Awww i was hoping for somthing along the lines of the Ebon sin.... but nooooo124.177.71.100 07:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

MY Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support |Killer demonUser Killer demon User-Killer demon.jpg 14:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

At rank 5, this deals 58 piercing and 15 seconds of bleeding vs. charr. --onoes! Mafaraxas 07:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool, now we know you can read Loser223 23:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey loser, look at the date i posted that. This was before everyone maxed out all the titles and we had all the info. --click moar Mafaraxas 20:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FPS Doug

who the hell is that, Ive been hearing "boom headshot" for at least 10 years now, no way that guy was the one who invented it Talamare 01:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
that just proves how quickly it spread. the first 10 results of "boom headshot" on google will bring up FPS Doug. 20:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
FPS Doug began around 2004, The saying has been around since at least 1998 06:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Hidden Messages

So.. Yeah, after the update I went to the Master of Damage to have some fun and I noticed that every time the bonus damage kicked in a message popped up in my chat log, a different one every time. I'll go ahead and add the ones I found to the page Ironboot 00:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Already started.. btw i left the bleeding duration like that as i don't know the min or max. (:--Lava spider.jpgSpider 00:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Boom! Headshot! 01:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
It was so fun getting my first headshot ^_^ 01:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
anyone thinkin about having 8 party members echo,arcane echo, ebon vanguard sniper support vs mallyx, 8 members using it 24 times would yeild at least 1 or 2 900 hits--
That damage is insane! This skill is actually worth something now. It might actually make me max out my Ebon Vangaurd rank.
Anyone got a headshot with Asuran Scan? :P --SkyHiRider 05:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
>.< Poor end-game bosses, they don't stand a chance anymore. Is the 500-900 damage armor-ignoring because it's +damage, or is it simply a really large attack of piercing damage as far as armor is concerned? Silavor UserSilavorSigIcon.png 06:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC) 03:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope, piercing damage. As an example, does about 120 280 to ettins warriors in EoTN hm, takes half a health bar from hammer dwarves, and takes a full health bar from dwarven healers.--Fighterdoken 06:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Sniper support is a spell, not an attack. 06:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
"additional +540...900 piercing damage." --click moar Mafaraxas 06:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
This is the only Spell that inflicts physical damage. 07:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, so is the additional +540/900 damage actually there, or is it a typo? :X 08:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but with a 10% chance :P not rly one of the best skills. Ninjas In The Sky 08:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
This plus Intensity = drools :P if you're lucky :P That was the first time I've ever seen any damage reach four digits, sure it was on 60 armor but still O.O 200px 09:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Quick, someone get a screen of a headshot with Asuran Scan. -- 09:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Tested with master of dmg, asuran scan does not change the dmg this skill do, tested with and without headshot happening.
Of course it doesn't, Asuran Scan affects your attacks, Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support is a spell, thus why I used Intensity since it affects spells. 19:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) used it on a lvl 1 in Sunqua Vale, hit him for 2700 dmg! This skill is just insane (and i love it :D)--Treasure Boy I love this skill :D Talk 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This is indeed useful versus Charrs, not versus non Charr I think. --NeHoMaR User NeHoMaR sig.jpg 00:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone use this with "By Ural's Hammer" (25% more dmg) it could be nasty....~~
Because I get bored easily at the moment: By Ural's Hammer and Sniper Support 200px
And because I was still bored: By Ural's Hammer, Intensity and Sniper Support 200px
I get bored easily. 02:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Just got "I'm a stone. I do not move. I do not tremble. I have no Fear." - Scored a 1337 dmg Kill on a Juvenile Bladed Termite, whilst trying to farm a chunk of drake flesh for the stupid WiK thing. Omnimutant 10:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

I edited parts of the trivia section, to reflect reality. Sniper's are taught "one shot, one kill" while in training. Plenty of Military and History channel sniper specials have covered this. As far as the quote from Psalms.. there is no other quote remotely similar. This cannot be misconstrued as anything BUT the Psalms 144 entry: "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight". Khanduras 00:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bleeding Duration

Isn't 25 seconds for me.. 14 seconds at R5--Lava spider.jpgSpider 12:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The skill description is indeed incorrect - the Bleeding Duration depends on title rank (13 seconds at rank 4) Clan Yumemiru 22:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Bleeding Duration at rank 7 is 18 seconds. Clan Yumemiru 14:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changing piercing

Greater Conflaguration/Winter ranger + 7 Echo/Arcane Echo/ Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support? 1337.

[edit] Highest Damage?

Well, guildy showed a screeny with him doing 5500 dmge with this. Still not outclassed by the catapult on the Isle of nameless (as you can do 9999 with that one), but still insane :P 18pxSmurf Minions 22:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

5,5k? Can i see this screenshot? Cuz i can't imagine how to do that Pakuna 13:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Highest I've gotten Sniper Support to hit for, with shouts and enchantments is 3628 but could see it getting slightly higher than that, maybe not 5500 damage though, not by itself at least. 02:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
User JonTheMon big headshot.jpg --JonTheMon 14:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Why is it hard to imagine? Slightly boosted, against some stupid target using healing sig+frenzy at the same time. That's 3600 base damage. If your base damage is 3600, I'll leave it up to your imagination how to get the remaining 33% of the way to 5.5k. I will note, I've never seen the trebuchette on the Isle of the Nameless do over 700-ish damage, even on a direct hit. So if that can hit 9999, no reason this can't match or surpass it.

What about using it with lightbringer title up on "demonic servant" using frenzy/frenzied def?-- 14:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
This is super gimmicky, but what about Vengeance? That'd be another 25% damage increase. Zoe 05:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Use Signet of illusions,Golden Egg, Candy Corn, Grail of Might, and the Mesmer of Lyssa Blessing along with Intensity, vengeance, a +3 illusion rune on illusion mask. Can somebody test that? (And add anything I missed =))--Alsin 05:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Not so impressive, I know, but with no enchantments etc., I managed 2092 with this at Vanguard level 5. OK, it was the weenie corsair wizard at the entrance to the Chahbek Village mission, and I was level 20, but it was still over 2000 hp on a single hit. Cynique 22:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Sniperway?

Well, they managed to ruin the blessings beyond belief... but there's sniper now. Just wondering, it might be possible to have a team of 6 Me/E or E/Me and 2 HB monks farm Charr. Echo + Arcane Echo + Intensity + Sniper Support would be pretty devastating... I'm sure there are other skills you could use to boost damage, any suggestions? Of course, they're going to nerf sniper when I hit r10 like they did with Ursan... but it's worth a shot. -- 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You forgot Asuran Scan. 02:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Asuran scan affects attacks, not spells. Intensity is what you are looking for.Pika Fan 05:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised how many people think its an attack... but against non-charr the bonus is difficult to get, even with all the echoing. Charr are limited to area, which is nice as they don't really have that much of value. [watches Gwen kicking a charr missing half of its head] "yeah..." 06:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
dmg does not ignore armor, is no longer aoe .. 10:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
They won't nerf it, this is a noob skill compared to other pve skills. It's piercing damage so it's not armor ignoring, and i tried using it against a worm in sacnoth valley, the "Headshot" only did -237 (Note the regular sniper shot is only -37). It's a bad skill unless used with intensity stacked with Ural's Hammer, now you've got your 3 PvE skills and you could do more damage with different PvE skills so the whole idea sucks ass.-- 01:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Did you just completly ignore 25 seconds of bleeding? Up to 8 enemies bleeding for a long time one second after the start of the fight isn´t good?
are you afk or why should your enemys bleed for long time ? 18:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Already made lol [1]--Relyk 22:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awesome skill even on a Monk!

I take this with alot on my monk. Since the UA update i have a free slot where i used to put my rez skill. Now i take this skill with for those impossible to kill monks that are encountered. Granted odds wise it would take 10 casts to kill something, thats 160 seconds which is a touch under 3 min. If i were crafty i would set up a dual 10/10 recharge set. This skill isnt for making builds that will spam it. This is for impossible to kill tripple to quadrouple monk teams often encountered in pve--Justice 21:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

i honestly have no idea why people call some groups "impossible ot kill monks" just because it has ~3 monks in it-- i have NEVER encountered this "issue" myself (even on hard mode). it's called "focus your fire power onto 1 target". ;) --Uchiha Lena 05:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
and technobabble. --click moar Mafaraxas 04:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

try vanqing ascalon area on a monk using heros, its not impossible but its damned near. Grawl are rediculous there. Backbreaker+counterblow, healing hands+healother+healarea. Get more then 2 warriors and they beat anyone down in a matter of seconds. Get more then 2 monks and you just hope its possible for them to run outa energy (not sure that it is).--Justice 07:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

tried a Mesmer yet? Backfire, Empathy, Spiteful Spirit, Visions of Regret, Pain Inverter, Scourge Healing ... Or just general tanking + nuking --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 19:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Pain inverter on monks. That's clever.Pika Fan 20:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Especially if they smite or reverse damage. Ion cannon anyone? User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I took out the part of the note that says the phrase "Boom Headshot" is originated from FPS Doug. Boom Headshot was used commonly way before 2004. 23:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually im not even gonna try convincing people of that ^^ 23:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
FPS Doug Eh, I'm sure he plays Counter Strike ;) T1Cybernetic 23:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll try arguing this. I don't know what you consider common though. This also isn't the first time FPS Doug and Pure Pwnage was referenced 20:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Question

If you hit a Charr, can you get the bonus damage double? its just not entirly clear on the page, or simply anywhere else.

Hello. First off, please sign your comments with a hyphon (-) followed by 4 tildes (~). Secondly, no, the double damage only triggers once upon successful activation. So, in short, against a Charr you have a 25% chance instead of 10% chance. -Lena™ User Lena Sig.png talk 11:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Luck?

The chance isn't increased by luck title is it?
I ask, because someone with a near max luck title, is getting every use a crit. Where I'm only getting 1 in every 10 uses. and I'm at R2. -- StimpsonJKat 16:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh? How many times have you seen this happen? Can someone go test this? --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 20:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
It seems to be luck...though one time, when I was doing Thirsty River, I got a headshot on all 6 of the Enemy Priests. Silver40596 00:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
You see, Spine has Prosperous for luck title, and every use is a critical... where I'm merely Lucky, and getting 1 in every 10. I haven't seen anyone else using this skill to fully calculate, but just these factors alone should be worth testing. --StimpsonJKat 20:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
"Every use is a critical" facts please... you can start by verifying yourself over a larger number of samples... try doing it 500 times on a training dummy and see if you get more than 50 if it is signifigantly more then you might be onto something... MrPaladin talk 20:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, go to Wikipedia and look up "normal distribution".
500 tries would prove absolutely nothing, the best way is to use medium amounts of small samples, e.g. 8 groups of 15 and test it that way. It's more accurate, and faster. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
Any sample larger then 6 (number of priests found in Thirsty River) is definatly a start... MrPaladin talk 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The fact that I got 6 in a row is probably due to chance, but for some reason I seem to get more headshots on bosses. Silver40596 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Critical % increase??

Can anyone confirm if >% of critical hit related skills (or > Critical Strikes attribute for Assassins) increases your chance to crit with this skill?

I use this on an A/R build with Assassins Promise as the elite (thus usually I get to cast it multiple times in a given fight. I went out with 12 in Critical Strikes accidentally (I usually have 12 in Marksmanship fo rthis build - oops) and it seemed that I was getting an inordinate amount of crits with this skill throughout the mission, sometimes as many as 2-3 in a row and once I got 6 in a row (Yes SIX, I couldn't beleive it either - No, I wasn't fighting Charr).

My immediate response was that the > Crit Strikes was the cause, but I also know it could have been just dumb luck so now I want to know if I was lucky or if the crit % can be increased for this skill.

Thanks in advance.

No. --Gah_ 17:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
"No" seconded. I once got six in a row on the blasted vaettir that spawn behind you on the spiral ramp into the Rabbit Hole, after I killed Nulfastu and was trying to get back out. Necro/Derv (don't ask), no special bonuses, just a whole lotta luck. (and besides, it's a spell, not an attack!) Cynique 15:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Expected Value

The expected damage of EVSS is: 189...315

This damage is comparable to that of Savannah Heat's full duration damage at higher Ebon ranks. I know this isn't any sort of groundbreaking discovery, but it certainly goes to show just how "balanced" PvE skills are. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I should note that I only did calculations for the Charr. Too lazy to open Calculator back up to do it for non-Charr. =/ ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia changes

I'm not particularly passionate about any of the trivia; I do think we should emphasize facts and decrease the amount of speculation we include these types of notes. So, I disagree with the some of the recent changes:

  • We don't know for a fact that any of these lines are references; these are educated guesses. If we can confirm developer intent, then let's link to the relevant source.
  • The Enemy at the Gates line is a rephrasing, not an exact quote. Also, to the extent that the Sniper's chatter references the movie, the movie equally calls upon Isiah.
  • The Battle of Stalingrad took place during World War II; Consequently, it seems redundant to describe the source as both, about the Battle of... and as a World War II movie.

  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

References are not exact quotes, they are words said in reference to an original comment. They can be exact quotes, but they don't have to be. I am, very unhappy with "may be a reference to", it either is or it isn't, if you are uncomfortable with them being listed as references, feel free to confirm their nature and either remove them, or leave them as definite references, but I consider listing possible references to be unprofessional and inappropriate. I am comfortable that all the currently listed references were intended, but I will concede that the source is misquoted. If someone makes a reference to a Metallica song that references a colloquial saying, the reference is to the Metallica song, not the colloquial saying. Misery 19:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How Exactly Does This Skill Work?

I know this is one of the fewest things people care about, but I'm just wondering as to how it works. I've spent only a few years in America, and most of my time has been spent in Korea playing Starcraft rather than Guild Wars. But here are a few of my question:

  • This attack has a 10% chance of doing an additional +540...900 piercing damage. If this attack hits a Charr it has a 25% chance of doing an additional +540...900 piercing damage.

It says 10% of doing +X piercing damage. If it hits a Charr, does it have a 35% chance of doing the damage, or is it still 10% with a 25% chance from the 10% to deal the second +540...900 damage?

It also says it's an attack, and then in the first part Spell. Target foe is struck for 54...90 piercing damage... it says it's a spell. Can somebody confirm which one it is? Than 19:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a spell, and only has 25% chance against Charr. -~=Sparky User Sparky, the Tainted charr sig.PNG (talk) 20:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to set up a massive test to see if it really is 25%, or 35%, or 10% followed by 25%. Obviously, until we have a sufficient amount of data, all we can do is AGF in ANet. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Eh, you can probably echo chain it. If you, know, have time.. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 21:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm convinced Guardian does not block 50% of the time. Mr J and I are supposedly going to test it one day, but that will be a very boring test to do to a statistically significant level. Misery 21:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Nah, use IAS, that's easier. You just need 100 attacks, it should take a little over 5 minutes. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 21:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
We wanted like 500-1000 hits >_> Misery 21:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Get 2-3 people attacking you at the same time. Count yellow numbers. Better yet, record in fraps and do the counting later. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 21:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Lolhugevideofile, and that'd take twice as long, though it could provide some insurance on the counting, which I suppose I can assume is what you were getting at. --[-Kyoshi-]::[-Talk-] 21:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Guardian only blocks 50% of the time when you're attacking someone with it on them. :< ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
EC, and no, when attacking someone with Guardian it blocks 75% of the time. It almost always blocks Eviscerate or Backbreaker.
@Kyoshi: Exactly. You don't even have to limit yourself to 3 people, you can just get an entire opposing party hammering on you if people count their attacks during the recording. I'd reckon you can easily squeeze 400 attacks or so into one minute. NuVII User NuclearVII signature 3.jpg 21:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
My d-shot always makes it through Guardian and Natural Stride, though, so :>
Also, the problem with increasing the number of people is that it would take just as long to count and you have to deal with overlapping numbers. Here, you just have to watch one spot for the number. Hell, you could even write a program to count the successful hits for you. ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aquisition

Do you need the bonus pack to obtain this skill?

nope... follow the listed aquisition, EOTN is needed MrPaladin talk 11:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Sniping Shiro

While this skill can be somewhat useful when Shiro is using Meditation of the Reaper in Imperial Sanctum, you should never, ever, EVER use sniper support while he is in his Battle Scars stance, unless you enjoy Shiro dealing between 335 and 559 life-stealing per strike in NM or between 254 and 424 life-stealing per strike in HM, both with a chance of double striking.--Jyotir Managatim 20:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Really? "A common phrase heard...."

"Snap! Headshot!" is a reference to "Boom Headshot!!," a common phrase in many first person shooter games. While this is true, it couldn't hurt to write where it originated. That's like describing an iPod as "A common item found in many people's pocket". Add the name of the person, FPS Doug, or at least the name of the show. I tried editing it to add that, but someone changed it back.

I have to agree with unsigned on this one even though I am skeptical on certain trivia. This one is pretty obvious. Some Anet employees are obviously fans of the web series 'Pure Pwnage' as evidenced by Yuun, who says all of FPS Doug's famous quotes. The "a common phrase in many FPS games" sounds super nerdy anyway (and that is coming from a PC geek, ha). One person's ignorance does not automatically disprove it imo. pjfresh Serpent's Quickness.jpg 02:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
While FPS Doug is the cause for the phrase getting the wide popularity it enjoys now, he nor his show are where it originated from. Several shooters in the 90s and later shared a very distinct soundfile of a booming voice exclaiming "BOOM! HEADSHOT!". The original Unreal Tournament (1999) is where I first heard it, but I've been told it originated either from Quake or Counterstrike, I'm not entirely sure which is true. So while you could definitely say FPS Doug popularized it, it would be wrong to say he is where it originated from, as it was already quite popular, just only with a certain type of gamer. - 03:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Can't Change Damage

I'm not sure if anyone ever thought about it, or cared, but you can't change the damage of this skill from piercing. I tried using Greater Conflagration along with this skill on a titan and one time without using Greater. Unfortunately, both attacks did the same amount of damage. I was really hoping it'd work too, itd be nice to see the new Intensity work with this. 900damage+450 aoe damage :D --Iggy The Iguana 21:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

This skill is a spell, so it is not affected by skills that affect attacks. Yes, it does piercing damage, and yes, the descriptions contain the words 'this attack', but it is still a spell. Only two spells do physical damage, and this is one of them. Cynique 21:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
"...all physical damage is fire damage instead." and "[c]onverts physical damage to fire damage for creatures in range." Greater Conflagration (emphasis added)
Great Conflagration doesn't say anything about attacks. In both the full and condensed versions, it uses physical damage not attack damage or melee damage. So perhaps EVSS isn't dealing true piercing damage or perhaps (despite the text) GC won't work on spells. Or perhaps Cynique is correct and that ANet meant that GC affects only weapon attacks. It seems to me that additional testing is in order, after which one or more articles should include a note (anomaly, bug, or plain, depending on the results).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty certain it is indeed piercing damage, it's how I found all of these. GC is an old skill, in philosophy as well as being a Prophecies skill, and its near non-use both among players and monsters leads me guess that its interaction with EoTN skills was probably never considered. Manifold User Manifold Neptune.jpg 23:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Try Stone Strikerand boom aoe sniper .

Stone Striker does work to convert the damage. --JonTheMon 03:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
It does, but there is no AoE effect. Cynique 06:30, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Uh, I just tried it, and it gives AoE to intensity. --JonTheMon 13:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah, ok, so EVSS + Stone Striker + Intensity = heavy AoE earth damage... (useful vs clumped warriors) Cynique 07:07, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Comedy value

Has anyone else noticed a tendency for this to inflict its bonus damage at times that cause maximum comedy value? (For suitable definitions of comedy, of course, frequently very sick comedy.)

Example: I took EVSS when I went to top Nulfastu. Cool, this time round I got all the way to where he spawns next to the tree, then all hell broke loose around my party. We cleaned up the mess, and I got no bonus damage whatsoever from EVSS. Then on the way up the ramp to leave the hole, and I got six consecutive bonus hits on the handful of vaettir up there. Bah.

Example: This one is too numerous to mention specific incidents: a hard fight, the last foe has three pixels of health left, and EVSS does 451 damage, having done nothing to anyone previously.

Example: The first time I took it to Chahbek Village (normal mode), I got a bonus hit against the very first Corsair you meet, the weenie wizard, and splattered him for over 2000 damage (rank 5, no bonuses active).

Cynique 09:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Its all about level and armour.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon6.png 11:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I know that, but it was still funny when I splattered the corsair. Cynique 13:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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