Talk:Gold sink

Titles as goldsink?

the Obsidian armor is defenatly a great example of a gold sink, but i don't think you can call the 2 titles (drunkard and sweet tooth) a gold sink... because you don't have to spend money on the ales, you can perfectly use ales you get from quests (hunters ale), or events (rice wine, halloween drinks) - Saelfaer 07:39, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Whilst I agree partially with what you are saying, and wholly with the thinking behind it, I also believe the article is correct insofaras purchasing the titles in this way are examples of a gold sink - more so, even, than FoW armor - after all, armor at least has an in-game use, and absolutely no "skill" is required to achieve the drunkard/sweet tooth titles Fox (talk|contribs) 07:55, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Sorry but they are most definitely gold sinks, they cause players to buy these items in much more quantity from the merchants than they would normally. True there are cheaper ways to do this but I doubt many people would max out these titles purely on the freebies from events. --Lemming64 08:07, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Ok, i see it does encourage people to buy them from the merchants, but i believe there is a big market for freebie items too... Most of the items i get from events, stay in my storrage for guildevents, but i see many people trying to sell their event items to drunkard and sweet tooth lovers... Even more so in pre searing, what a market there to farm hunter ales, and sell them to the drunkard lovers, or event items like the slamrock ales and chocolade bunnies... (thats all player to player market without any merchant). So yes i agree it is partially a gold sink when you buy from a merchant. But large amounts of ales are sold inbetween players too... - Saelfaer 10:03, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

What you are saying is true, but that does not stop it being a gold sink by definition. The player to player trades do not effect the overall economy in this sense so are irrelevant in a way. The only time items like these effect the economy directly is when event items can be sold back to the merchants for gold. We should probably add Keys and the shing jea boardwalk too. --Lemming64 10:26, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Obsidian Armor as a Gold Sink

I disagree with this being removed. Ecto is basically a second currency, and Obsidian Armor acts as an Ecto Sink which by proxy makes it a gold sink, does it not? --Lemming64 12:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ectos are only worth something because they're used in Obsidian armor. If Obsidian armor didn't exist, they'd be worthless like Demonic Remains. Obsidian armor is a time sink, and material traders are a gold sink, but the materials can also be obtained by trading with players. -- Gordon Ecker 03:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevertheless ecto is treated as currency effectively. --Lemming64 09:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Goldsinks would be something they purposly put into the game to be a gold sink, not something the players decided one day once they realized that you can only hold 100 max.--Eloc 09:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree that a gold sink has to be intentional by definition. Whilst the ecto area may be hazy and I shall leave it off for sake of a peaceful life. :) --Lemming64 09:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree that goldsinks don't need to be intentional, but I'm not comfortable with Obsidian armor as a gold sink because of the causality issue. -- Gordon Ecker 10:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's just my opinion on Obsidian Armor. Besides, alot of it doesn't even look very good. If Ectos were cheap and lets say, Jadeite was expensive, then everyone who is rich would have Luxon Armor.--Eloc 19:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Ecto's are a player defined currency in this game, and thus must be regarded in a similar way to platinum. The price fluctuates yes, consider them the stocks and shares of guild wars, but nethertheless they are currency. When someone spends 100 of them on FoW armor they are removing the ecto from the game thus increasing the relative value of ecto slightly. So be almost every definition I can think of FoW armor is a gold sink, intentional or not. --Lemming 11:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

UW & FoW entry a gold sink?

I don't think that this can count because almost certainly more gold will drop in the form of sellable loot and gold drops then the plat the team paid to get in. Unless you die on the first group. --Lemming 10:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, it's only a gold sink for really bad UW duo's. :) --  (CoRrRan / talk) 11:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

While it really doesn't really take money out of the overall game, it's still 1k that would normally be floating around anyway, so it acts somewhat as a counter to gold gained via Ectoplasm, Shards, or white drops. Many drops from UW/FoW are also player sold, which doesn't increase the overall gold pool. I definitely would not call it a "huge" gold sink as the article states, due to the fact that it's really just a buffer of sorts against whatever drops are merchant-sold. -- Txzeenath 11:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

By it's definition that it not a gold sink as overall the amount of money in the game goes up from going to UW and FoW. You are looking at the net effect here as the entry fee is only part of the whole sub system. Selling the few white blue and purple drops that a group would get would easily overcome the 1k charge, not to mention that ecto whilst it isn't actually money it acts as a substitute to money and thus must be regarded as part of the economic system as currency. --Lemming 11:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Even though you returned with LOOT, you are still 1K poorer than you would have been.LeFick 19:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You also get gold drops. A gold sink by definition has to encompass the entire economy. --Lemming 22:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments

Does the Hall of Monuments now class as a gold sink? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:203.173.232.249 .

It's not a gold sink in and of itself. It merely promotes a number of already existing ones. --Valshia 04:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Treasue hunter

Im fairly sure this title cost more then 46 platinum to max, as the article says

Thanks for spotting that. Was missing some 0s. (I think that was me on the typo, so thanks also for saving my rear.)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Gloves?

Costs 75e and theres a LOT of them. Compared to destroyer weapons (~70k-ish?)chaos gloves are real expensive (500-600k). And yes i know you can have more than one destroyer weapon, but still, the difference in costs is a good reason that chaos gloves should be mentioned. (if the intention is to make a list of the biggest gold sinks in the game) 83.248.186.171 08:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree: Chaos Gloves are a substantial sink and should be added to the list. (I suspect, however that D-weapons remove far more total wealth from the game, I think there are many more people getting 1+ weapons to add points to their HoM score.)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yea, you might be right about d-weapons, but still chaos gloves are a big sink (also compare to guild halls). Note also that there are 11 destroyer weapons, if my calculation of 70k/weapon is correct, this is a cost of 770k to fill HoM. Chaos gloves are not far behind. 83.248.186.171 11:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Should GH Services be added to this list? As far as Im concerned that's a bigger gold sink than Most things (Also in response to the Destroyer Weapons, most people just farm war supplies for the oppressors weapons.) Sierra Invenio 19:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Gold sinks don't care about how the money is earned, only about whether the wealth is removed from the game. (So, it's irrelevant whether people farm ectos or war supplies → that wealth was in the game, and it's removed when the weapons are transferred.) (Similarly, it's irrelevant if those weapons are later traded or customized — unless the weapon is deleted, its value remains in the game. Players might pay too little or too much, but that would be a wealth-transfer, not a sink.)

The point of listing sinks isn't to note them all, it's to identify the ones that remove the most wealth from the game. That should include huge sinks (e.g. GH services) and frequently-used sinks (e.g. Vabbian and Obbi armor).

BTW: GH services are listed already. (They aren't used often, but when they are, they do remove a ton of value.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Obsidian Armor.

Not all sets cost the 105e/105shards, for example the Paragon costs 120e and 120 shards. I'ma change it, but feel free to change it back if you think it's unnecessary. Solliloqe 09:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Not many people buy the entire set i guess, but professions like warrior + rit seem to have their own headsets for it.--File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 15:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

It's an unnecessary detail to this article, in my opinion. The point isn't 105 vs 120 ecto/shards, it's that this particular armor is a major sink. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 15:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)