Talk:Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack/A2

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Contents 1 new build 2 BMP Questions 3 Feels like some movies 4 Best Guild Wars Product Ever 5 Help? 6 Weapons 7 Links to the missions? 8 BMP Weapon Skins 9 Bonus Mission Pack; available in other ways in the future? 10 <3 the Tengu skins! 10.1 How these weapons are unfair 11 BMP weaps 12 builds? 13 Weapons for HoM 14 Rewards 15 Complaint about aquiring rules 16 A Random Thought 17 Why can't I get my Bonus Mission Pack? 18 28 January 2008: Date of Awesome 19 BMP outrage 20 Thanks for BMP 21 Some BMP Info 22 TODAY 23 Kind of defeats the purpose don't you think? 24 Drops 25 Anet did it again!!!!!!!! 26 Bonus pack

new build

7:19 ET, 4:19 PT, i have no idea what that converts into UTC. Ima be murderous if this is for some obscure competition nobody knows about. Calor — talk 00:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

anybody know where to go now? Obie Quiet 00:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

To enter, go to the Historian in a major town (Im 100% sure theres one in LA, not sure bout Kamadan or Shing Jea)

Yay! More books to take up inventory! w00t! Aldora 19:39, 29 November 2007 (PST)

i hope you can do the mission a bunch of times and get a ton of sweet weapons

I've not tested it but you probably can, the items are customised when you get them, and are just basic max damage with an upgrade slot, about as good as the /special weapons --Nela 01:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

i hope a-net releases gwens's outfit as prestige armor XD

BMP Questions

I suspect missions are repeatable but I wonder can we keep turning in stories for rewards? Is it unlimited? Once per character? Once per account?

Also we get weapons we have to use to access their corresponding mission - can we keep getting those from NPCs? For instance can I have more than one Turai's Sword? I would test but I don't have much storage space right now :p Barinthus 02:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit curious myself, the way it is worded on gw.com has made me believe you are able to get 4 items from the 4 missions per a character, then the additional bonus objectives reward you with an additional book. However those are meant to be once per an account, so 12 from bonus (3 bonuses per a mission)+ 4 per char is my understanding. I don't plan on cashing any of mine in yet until I know wether there is a limited amount or not though :P Ghostun 02:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

they are not limited, only bonus is...so you can get 12 from bonus, 3 of each, and that is all for bonus. beat it again and you still get the one book...no bonuses for mea and i have two undead itemsKiller Revan 02:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

So I assume you mean to say, beat the Mission once on a character and you get a book, which we know. Do you also mean beat it again on the same character, the same mission, without doing any bonus, and you get a second book? This you can get unlimited books if you keep beating the missions? Anon

I assume u made up the sword? It appears the items given are Tengu, Charr, Undead and Mursaat I think, so no "greens" like people expected. The customised thing is really dumb, I have no idea how it works and it's limited so I'm not willing to try it in case I give a sword to my Rit or something, or give a reward to a character I didn't want to have anything. I figure this is to prevent trading exclusive BMP items, which is really dumb anyway. Anon

The historian gives you the weapons to go with the quest when he gives you the book, Turai's sword is a R9 blue rarity sword you get with turai's story book. It is the non-etheral version of the sword the ghostly hero uses. I asked the historian, and got multiples of each book, customized to me, so I'm assuming you can repeat them however many times you want, even after doing the bonuses.70.124.97.181 03:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I just want to know, without people telling me about the bonus, whether or not I can get a weapon on EACH and EVERY one of my characters. So, for example I do the Gwen quest on everyone.. do I get a book that I can turn in on each? 99.251.6.108 03:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge this is the way it works.

• After completing any of their stories you fill a book.
• This book can then be Authorised and traded for any item from that story, ie Togo = Tengu Items, Gwen = Charr Items.
• If you complete the story a second time, on any character, including' the original character who completed it, you can get another Authorised book and another weapon.
• This means that it is possibly to get unlimited weapons, for each time you complete the mission.
• The books you get from completing the bonus objectives can be used on any character on your account.
• There are three bonus books per story.
• Each one acts the same as a story completion book.
• These bonus books are only awarded the first time you complete each bonus on your account. (This is likely to prevent obtaining the books far too easily).
• The reward items CAN NOT be traded, they are given to you customised.

This means anyone with access to the BMP can get every single item as many times they like on any number of characters they like. If anyone has any corrections to make feel free to edit my post or say so below. Anon

Anyone checked to see (on the off chance that) the reward items are able to be placed in the HoM? I think it unlikely but still there is a sliver of possibility... --Frozzen 03:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Anon - no I didn't make up the sword. You get a Turai's Sword and a Turai's Shield when you accept Turai's Story and you have to equip those. I don't know if you keep those after you complete the mission or they disappear. 128.54.216.71 03:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I assume they are like the Costume Brawl weekend weapons inasmuch as they stay with you forever. 99.251.6.108 03:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, I realised after I said that that all the items you are given are named after the person. Togo's Staff, Saul's Staff, Turai's Sword etc. I thought you meant a green reward or something. You do get to keep the sword and shield, or any other item given to you. Gwen doesn't have one. Anon

I just played the first mission (GWEN book) and it was kinda fun. As far as weapons are concered... there normal gold weapon without an inscription. So you could get as many weapons as you want, but its like a blank weapon. Its great for your heroes that dont have a weapon . The skins are cool... but thats it.. nothing to write home about. My guess is that the inscription market will rise.205.196.178.196 14:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)usil951

I noticed that the bonus objectives reward 2.5k each. The whole book confusion might just be to prevent people from getting the 2.5k repeatedly and farming it. Otherwise, the weapons don't give you an in-game advantage, so it makes sense that those can be farmed by just repeating the missions. Alaris 16:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm that this item above is true?: "If you complete the story a second time, on any character, including' the original character who completed it, you can get another Authorised [sic] book and another weapon." Xapheus 09:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can complete any story for a second time, or more, with another character and your original character, however, I believe 'Discovery Mode' is account wide, so if you complete it on one character you cannot regain 2.5K on another. Nick 12:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have done that, while trying to get the bonuses. Each time I finished the story, I'd trade in the book for a weapon, and get a new book before next try. As far as I can tell, you can do that as many times as you want. I think the only reason the discovery objectives are limited is because of the 2.5k you get, to avoid farming money. But the weapons are unlimited. Alaris 04:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Feels like some movies

togos story reminds me of kill bill. ossa's one a bit of 300, anyone feel that?--220.245.178.133 04:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I havn't seen either of those movies but the stories do seem kinda classic, I love them. It makes sense, they can't do a long drawn out story like a campaign so they do the succinct story lines, which seem very strong to me. Some of those skills you get are awesome! Spectral Agony FTW! 122.104.226.221 04:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I was just commenting earlier to someone else that Gwen's story seems a bit WWII'ish, if you look at it objectively. But what I wanna know is what happened to the unique skills these guys had years ago. It's like the spells just magically vanished from existance! o.O Silavor 06:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Some of them don't seem too OP for pve skills (Call to spirits, the uber sig of Saul's, Gwen's boring run skill and Tura's aoe IAS and watch yourself). Giant Stomp is still in the game. Togo's anger or rage skill is a little overkill maybe :P. Anon

lol, yes now that you mention it togos story was kind of like kill bill.24.47.18.113 19:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

ok this might be a bit far off but, sauls one kinda seems like seven samurai lol--220.245.178.131 22:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Best Guild Wars Product Ever

The stories are strong, the skills are awesome, the battles are epic. The scenery is amazing, I love the details added into each of them, especially the war in the background of Turai Ossa's mission. The team behind this did an amazing job, well done. Anon

And very few (if any) re-skinned items. Definitely a win. -Auron 04:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

yeah the battle in turai ossas story was well done.24.47.18.113 19:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

GAH, its not fair, i preordered gwen and bought my character slots before this thing was available, so ANET expected me to go buy things I didn't need or have any use for. Then they make these awsome weapons AND they are customized, so no hope of me getting it. Ive been faithfull Anet, ive dealt with all the nerfing, poor factions voice acting, hero AI getting dumber for some reason, why must you torture me like this >_< `ajc2123

The method of acquisition of these missions was very awkward, and for many people on both sides of the fence, unfair. Buying the game in store didn't get you the BMP even though you paid just as much, probably more than online. Buying it online didn't get you the box from GW:EN. Some people felt they had to make a purchase in a way they didn't want to to gain access to what at the time appeared to be exclusive content, as so they did it. Other people chose not to and they feel they missed out on a great Guild Wars product unfairly. My question to you is, people who in the past, knowing the only way at the time to get the BMP was to buy online, and they did so. Is it fair to them to allow other people to gain it after this offer? These people put their trust that this product was "worth it" and that the only way for them to get it at the time was to fulfil those conditions even if it meant making undesired purchases at the time, which may not have been what they wanted to do. Being one of the people who bought two copies of GW:EN, one online and one in store (I had already purchased character slots etc and wanted the box), I do consider it unfair to offer this BMP in any other way. Anon

I feel much the same way as Anon. I cancelled my gamestop preorder, and bought GW:EN on the online store. Did I want a box? yeah sure. But I gave that up for the bonus mission pack. I would be pretty hurt that my EXCLUSIVE bonus gift..was a common $5 account upgrade or something.Arlais 04:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I must admit, at first I was angry that I do not have acces to a credit card (I didn't even got the chance to buy useless upgrades) but after I the contents of the BMP, I am no longer angry that I didn't get a chance to waste money. I'll just read the stories here. You guys may keep the items. I don't want them. Nicky Silverstar 08:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Help?

I'm embarassed, but I'm hopelessly stuck in Gwen's mission. I made it to the ruins, and I've read all of the Reseach Journals, but I only see one possible exit that I can't access. What am I missing? Are there supposed to be more clues in the mission itself? Darkrose 08:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There are. You need to light the flame brazier and let the spirits "kill" the charr in the left where the second blazier is. Then you need to get the slow hex from the journal on the right corridor, use it on the charr that spawn so they can't chase the spirits. You need to use it twice, and possibly throw a rock if one moves out of aoe range. Then the spirits open a door, bring in a rock and throw it at the pillar, use distortion one the way to the pillar if you have trouble with the fire darts. Finnally follow the spirits out of the cave and escape to the north. Anon

Thank you! I was able to get as far as out of the cave, but I got caught and killed. At least I know what to do, now. Darkrose 08:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Weapons

Can some1 make an Weapon list?

See Category: Undead weapons, Category:Mursaat weapons, Category:Tengu weapons, and Category:Charr weapons. - HeWhoIsPale 20:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Links to the missions?

If I go to the link for the Tengu Wars there is another link on that page to go to the The Tengu Accords (none of the other three links have links to the bonus missions, however). Wouldn't it make sense to have direct links from the Bonus Mission Pack page to the four bonus missions it provides? I'd add these myself, but don't recall the names of all of the missions and I'm not sure why they aren't on the page to begin with -- perhaps there's a good reason for excluding the links that I can't think of. --Nkuvu 20:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Done - althought feel free to clean it up a bit. --Mystisteel 22:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The page was written before the BMP was released. All we knew at the time is that the BMP would cover those specific events, but we didn't know the names of the missions etc. The most anyone at the time could do relating to the BMP was read the lore and history of each mission. Anon

He posted this on November 30th, 2007. It wasn't a mystery... --70.17.137.32 06:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

BMP Weapon Skins

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Can i just take this wee moment to say OMG!!!!! Like really, OMG!!!! Some of the best skins in GW to date. I think I've died and gone to fan boy heaven! Thank you anet! SOOO MUCH! -- Salome 09:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol :D See two topics above :D Kokuou 09:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yer all of the skins were great, the entire thing was a very well polished product. I especially like that I can get as many as I want. Well done to the team who did this, they did an excellent job and it is probably one of the best Guild Wars products so far. Each mission has it's own character and style and was a lot of fun to play, it shows the true diversity GW is capable of. Anon

Very nice addition to the GW Universe indeed. The stories got a nice epic feel to them, the characters are fun to play with and the ability to acquire weapons with really nice skins is very much welcomed. A great thank you from me, to all the people who made this BMP into being. Arduinna 09:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WHAT?! you can just do it over and over again and get more weapons?! REALLY?! OMG thats ACE, I know what im gonna spend my time farming for my heros now! Yay finally my heroes can be all bling bling! woohoo! -- Salome 11:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I second this. The Mursaat weapons are a wonderful idea - not only we are able to get the old ones with as much customization as we want, but now there are Mursaat weapons of. Every. Possible. Kind. That's really unexpected, and really, really cool. Many thanks! Erasculio 11:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been able to play as much as I would like for the past few months and I've been looking forward to the bonus mission pack since it was first announced. Reading this, now I can't wait to get back in the saddle and see the Awesome! Svartalve 13:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

But it was a little short :/ . Just to nice to end that quickly, 1,5hours of play.

BONUS mission pack, what part of that aren't you getting. BONUS! Also I enjoy it loads but i dont fancy doing a solo mission for an hour, that would get dull. -- Salome 17:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonus Mission Pack; available in other ways in the future?

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Hi Gaile! I dont know if this is the right place to ask; but here i go anyway ;)
In the period to the 31st of octobre i hadnt had the means to spend enough in the in-game store to qualify for the BMP. I am however one of the gamers that really wishes to play it and i think i am not the only one who wonders if the BMP will be avialable in other ways; eeg another period to buy from the store in order to qualify or something to that extend. Cheers, Maya 08:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

At this time, we are not sure about future plans for the Bonus Mission Pack. I will ask again if it might be offered for sale through the in-game store or something of that sort -- as I have asked several times in the past. However, I honestly don't have any information for you at this point. You can be sure that I do appreciate the desire for players to acquire the BMP, and I will certainly share those wishes with the folks who will ultimately make the decision about it. -- Gaile 18:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it ask if we can have the Prophecy CE divine aura for a price similair to the Game of the Year weapons too. Anon

How? You can't play the divine aura, just show it off. -- Gordon Ecker 11:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

BMP should be available to any player that has two or more campains on his or her account, the decision that BMP can be accessed only by players that have spend $29 USD in their online store is the biggest slap to Guild Wars fans this company has ever made.--78.3.40.120 19:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That issue has been over and done with. Please get over it and not drag it up again. If you really must rant about it again, please do so Talk:Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack. -- ab.er.rant 19:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey now, anon. Asking for the freebie for previous purchases is a bit like demanding the Tuesday 1/2 price beer on Friday. ;) Seriously, though: Game development is an art, a science, and a business. And business promotions are a fact of life, in everything from "2-for-1 on paper towels" to "Zero percent down if you buy a car this month" to "with four entrees you get Kung Pow Chicken." To put it another way, I saw Pirates of the Caribbean I and II. Even as a previous purchaser/supporter of the franchise, I sure didn't expect a free ticket for Pirates III, nor would it make sense for the film studio or the theatre to give me one. I'm really sorry that you are disappointed, but I feel that your disappointment is based on an unrealistic expectation. -- Gaile 20:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Drink spewed from my nose when I read that. Gaile's got some bite today :D -elviondale (tahlk) 23:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, dear! :( That's the problem with text communication -- so much is dependent on "the tone" that the reader hears rather than the real way that the writer was intending when he/she wrote the words. I was saying my bit very lightly, not at all sharply, but I guess it could be read sort of like a lecture rather than a "Hey, now, let's consider this..." in a conversational, friendly tone. I really was saying it just casually, and I hope it didn't read too harshly to the person to whom I addressed the comments, or to anyone else. (I figure Elviondale will forgive me -- his "tone" seems to indicate that. :) ) -- Gaile 03:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

So basically what you are saying is that it's realistic to expect that the guy who has only let's say Guild Wars: Nightfall get's BMP because he bought it over you online shop, and the guy who bought Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall and Eye of the North in normal stores doesn't get anything? Yeah great way to say "Thank you for playing and buying our products over past three years", maybe now you can get a subscription but in a such manner that it goes up the more campaigns you bought--78.3.40.120 20:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It's completely fair and reasonable since the guy with 1 campaign bought into the promotion and the guy with all of them didn't. There was never a time when you could buy GW:EN before there was the BMP promotion, and it's no one's fault but your own if you didn't feel the promotion was worth it then but you do now. - HeWhoIsPale 21:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Not true, i preorded GWEN from gamestop befire this offer was avalable, AND i purchased two character slots so i could have one of every profession, along with all campaigns. Then they wanted me to buy another 30 or so dollors on more stuff i didn't need? I've been on anets side the whole time with nerfing and all the other stuff we dealt with, but unless this comes available for future purchase, it makes me feel like being loyal just got me punched in the face. ajc2123

And im not saying it should be free, but it shouldn't be closed out forever. Five dollors on the internet store or a simple little disc for 10$ at gamestop would be acceptable. all im saying is don't stop availability just because i bought my things in the wrong way at the wrong time.ajc2123

Like you, I preordered GW:EN at EB Games before I found out about the promotion, but I had no trouble going back and telling them to cancel my preorder. I was given the option of a refund, but I just chose to transfer the preorder to my purchase of Super Mario: Galaxy. Couldn't you have done the same? Kokuou 01:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all no, i don't have access to a credit card, i had to beg a friend that i could use his in order to get my first two character slots. Second of all I don't see the big deal, when i spent MORE then the required money, (Pre ordered gwen and character slots (not including the campaigns)) and i dont get the perks just because it wasnt in the right way and time. ajc2123

But the whole point of a limited time promotion is that it's offered for... well... a limited time. All companies do this (and yes, it's mostly about making money), and whether or not you take the opportunity to act during the promotional period is your choice. The period for this promotion was almost three months, which I think is ample time for most people to make arrangements to purchase the required dollar amount online. As for the credit card, well, I can only say that of course not everyone is going to have one (and that may be something that ArenaNet should have considered), but I suppose you could have borrowed someone's (a parent's, a sibling's, a friend's, etc.). In any case, I do hope they eventually make the option available for everyone, because it really is a high-quality piece of content. Kokuou 01:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Gaile I know you have said several time that you bring up another way to access the BMP is something players want. Have you also brought up that some players who have the BMP and fulfilled the requirements for it during the promotion period think it's unfair to offer it again now and don't want it offered again? Anon

Yes, you can be assured that when considering the future, this point of view is also considered. I imagine you can see how challenging it is to appraise the situation and make the right decision, when one player feels a certain way, and that way is diametrically opposite the wishes of another player. But thanks for pointing out that there are many opinions and many points of view. -- Gaile 06:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It was unfair when pvp had access to pve armor! That was one of the major advantages we had over them. The fact that with a little hard work (along with some grinding) we could look cooler then pvp characters, at the cost of having to buy armor, skills, etc. But Anet aded that armor for pvp players anyways. We got over it, and so will other playerswho might think this is unfair just because they spent the same amount of money in a different time and way. `ajc2123

Why people give a damn as to what others think of their character's appeal in MMOs, will always be a mystery to me. I bought my cool boots because they were badass and I liked how they looked from the back, which is what I'm seeing mostly when I play GW. I didn't do it to impress anyone. I get my titles because there is some challenge involved. (and I might possibly be rewarded in GW2) Vael Victus 17:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Im not saying it should be free after this though. I know how they make more money online then in stores, but osme of us didnt have a choice to use online. Give us a 5 dollor card at gamestop or something. Unlike a lot of the arguments where we had a choice, I didn't. No credit card. ~ajc2123

I don't have a credit card, but I got the BMP. How you ask? I got someone I know who trusts me to use there's and give them back the money I spent right away. There is always a way if you look for it.--SirFranz 19:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I did that for character slots but i couldn't for this. They dont trust buying things from a game, or the internet for that matter. Don't think you understand the situation. ~ajc2123

I'm sorry i sound a little pissed here but I just feel like ive been let out of a giant party thrown by a best friend, even though I bought all of that friends things, even preordered them, and brought other friends to THAT friend. I don't see why that friend can't just throw an after party for five dollors entry in the form of a card with a code or something at gamestop. I mean really >_> ~ajc2123

I'm sorry, too. :( I truly, truly understand what you're saying. -- Gaile 03:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I had no idea that this subject would have so many views. I was simply wondering if in the future the BMP would be available again :S As for the reason i didnt qualify (to get rid of assumptions) I had GW:EN already ordered at a retailshop before the BMP was announced. This way i also qualified for the retail pre-release pack, which i like to have instead of only the access to the preview event. I'm the kind of person who likes to have the box ;). Hence the fact that from all chapters (except GW:EN of course) i have both the normal version, the CE edition and, when available, the pre-order packs (factions, nightfall and GW:EN). Anyway; at the time of the BMP action i did buy things in the on-line store, just not enough. Apperantly though; i'm not the only one that likes to see another qualification round for the BMP. As some people said before, there are always 2 sides on a matter like this. The people who like to see another qualification round and the people who dont. Only Anet can make the final decision. I do however think its important that we, as being fans, express wishes we have. Mine is another qualification round for the BMP. But i'll be just as happy if it doesnt happen :). Gz Maya 10:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I second that and i hope that access is opened up once agani. Personally i dont see why thsi promotion had to be time barred and couldn't ust be a set amount of money as either way ANET still makes the same profit, just over a different period of time. So yeh I agree with Maya and hope that those who dont have access to the BMP get the possibility of access to it somehow in the future -- Salome 12:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm well I'm a little upset because although its a promotion, its not something small like a weapon (s) or something like the Divine Aura, but a few missions in the game. An idea I have is to make another one of these with different missions, have the same type of promotion, and then have the ability to buy them both together for around the same price as EotN. I don't know if this is possible, but I think it would be awesome and I would definitely buy it. Any feedback from Gaile would be much appreciated. -- Alreajk

As I see it, we, as purchasers of GWEN, made a choice. Some of us chose to shop in the online store, at what is probably a greater profit to Anet, and so they rewarded us with the BMP. Others of us liked the box so much that we chose to buy that instead of the BMP. If I had known that it was possible to get both at some time in the future, I would have bought the boxed game. however, as I had been told the the BMP was a ONE TIME OFFER, I spent my money in the online store. If you bring back the BMP, consider those of us who sacrificed getting the box. Ashes Of Doom 15:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who sacrificed the box to get the BMP, I got the BMP free and well before anyone else could via any other promotion, and as a bonus I didn't have to worry about whether I'd even be able to get it later. I consider these three factors well worth it, and I wouldn't be offended in the least if they now offered the BMP for cash. If I had to choose between BMP and collector's edition though, that would be an entirely different matter. Alaris 15:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of us DIDN'T have the option to get into the BMP. No credit card = lose, credit card but -on the road- = lose, blacklisted CC IP (whatever that means) = lose. Guess what, ANET can check. I tried to pay with my CC, entered info EXACLTY as it appears in my bills yet it would not go through. They told me for a reason nobody knows that my account/cc/ip got blacklisted. Told me to wait it out but after 5 days I was still unable to complete the transaction. My CC company told me they didn't even get any attempt from anyone during those days. That only means ANET blacklisted me for being on the road when (I was outside the USA) I tried to order for the very first time. Sucks IMO. They can check records they would see I tried to buy GWEN online and a bunch of other things during the promotion period and that I tried a lot of times for a lot of days without success and without any kind of support from them. Do not tell me I don't deserve another chance. I'm not asking for a ~free~ BMP. I would pay for it if I could and I would have it already except they got a silly -can't use your CC on the road- rule that gets you on a blacklist (btw I still can't buy anything from the ingame store, not even a char slot). I'm pissed off but I just want another chance, not something free like some are asking. Yeah, I got CE editions and all possible pre-order thingies from all chapters/expansions except the BMP. 200.67.45.202 22:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is an argument i would like to offer in favor of makeing a card or some such so that the BMP would be accessable by more people. what i have read in this argument so far seems to be an awful lot of people complaining that they cannot get the BMP for not haveing credit cards and such. while those who bought eotn online complain that if anet released the BMP for people who did not buy online it would make them angry cause they missed the box. so here is my opinion. first i have no credit card and so had no chance to aquire the BMP, but i am not asking for a free BMP just because i have all the different canpagins. It would probably be best to make a card with an access code for the BMP on it and sell the card at gamestop and places like this for $10 or so for a few reasons. 1) the manufacturing cost would be low so anet could turn an easy profit. 2) It would allow those who have no credit card to have a chance at getting the BMP. 3) although i have met plenty of unreasonable people online I belive that most guildwars players would understand that those who participated in the promo recived the extra content for free while those who did not had to pay, thus makeing the participants still come out ahead. 4) in the long run it would make almost everyone happy. this is just my humbleish oppinnion for anet. and as gaile said, if you dont buy into the 2-for-1 paper towels you dont get the 2-for-1 price, but why should that prevent me from buying 2 paper towels?Kraken 20:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC) THANK YOU GAILE!!!!!!!! Kraken 20:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

<3 the Tengu skins!

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Hi there, Gaile! I know that people come to you to complain a lot about reskins and the like, but I thought I'd say some words of praise instead and let you know that I think the new weapon skins (especially the Tengu ones) from the Bonus Mission Pack are great! The art team did a wonderful job on them, not to mention the missions themselves are really fun! Thanks to the whole ANet team for creating something so great! Kokuou 07:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Gaile, please let us put these in the HoM - The Warrior Of Timi 08:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah they are to easily to get to put them in to your HoM. And not every one can get it, because you can't buy BMP.

Destroyer Weapons are easy to get too... Anon

And destroyer weapons are fugly! -- Salome 17:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

A big thank you to A'net is in place here, the BMP is awesome, played the gwen mission before i left to work this morning, and straight after I came back, I played the other 3... LOVELY! They provide a new dimension to the game, solo missions where you notice A'net has put a lot of effort into! lovely skills, lovely scenery, lovely gameplay.. THX A'net -- (Tribina / talk) 17:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't much a fan of most of the destroyer weapon skins either. The skins that are offered from the BMP are all much better than the destroyer skins, IMO. Although I wish some of the rewards were designed after the winners of the Design a Weapon contest that were never implemented, unless there are plans to implement them later in another feature of some sort *crosses fingers hoping for Melandru's realm of the god*. -- Broodling67 01:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

We absolutely do intend to roll out those Design-A-Weapon winning concepts, in the game, in the coming year. We're waiting to unveil some cool stuff -- some known, some unknown -- this month. But after Wintersday, John (Items Guy) and I agree it would be super-cool to have new things to acquire. So, not too long now! -- Gaile 03:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Good to hear! Now if you'll excuse me I have some excitement to vent by doing a jig. -- Broodling67 17:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How these weapons are unfair

These weapons are customized!!! The only other weapons that are customized upon creation are the pre-order promo items. The thing is that we already know there are special items in the pre-order packs and how they look from the picture of the pre-order box. We were never informed about there are special weapons that come with BMP and now we can't even buy them from other players. Lightblade 20:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Support claims for not being informed: BMP wiki page history, official website BMP page. Lightblade 20:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

QQ Considering I got about 15 weapons for my heroes last night... this would utterly devastate the GW economy. Remember the duping issue? This would be 1000000x worse. -elviondale (tahlk) 21:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If they're coustomized its fine right?--Cursed Angel 21:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

'Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.' You were too informed. - HeWhoIsPale 21:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't show us what these "unique rewards" are, what they look like, or if they're customized or not (aka trade from other player). "Unique reward" can be interpreted as a green, that is not modifiable. Lightblade 01:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The unique rewards could have just as easily meant BoP golds. I don't see your point. -Auron 01:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit i dont see his point either and i agree with elviondale. If they weren't customized it would kill the economy. Simply put, if you didnt make yourself eligible for the BMP, then tough titty; stop moaning about it! -- Salome 02:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

In what way are these weapons "unfair"? They're the exact same quality weapons (maxed inscribable) that we've been getting since Nightfall was released a year ago, just with different skins. That is fair. If these weren't customized, the folks who didn't meet the requirements of the promotion would be walking around with them, and that wouldn't be fair (unless, again, Anet decides to re-open every single promotion they've done to the community, up to and including the Prophecies pre-order). This was a promotion, just like the ones they've been doing for the last 2.5 years. Maybe you'll get lucky, and they'll run a similar limited-time promotion in the future, and you can get similar (or identical) items --70.17.137.32 02:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd like them to make some of the old pre-order and those items available, like the Coke items --Cursed Angel 02:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It's more about...I feel mistreated because I spent money buying the boxed EotN and got ugly weapons from it, but these free contents have good looking ones that I'm unable to access. Lightblade 02:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And I spent money buying the online EotN so I could qualify for the promotion (though I would have bought it online anyway). Now I have super groovy cool weapon skins for cheap and easy access. - HeWhoIsPale 02:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You just made it sound more unfair. We both spent the same amount of money and buying the same product from the same company, but you get more content. Chances are, I'm probably spending more money than you are with the cost of gasoline in it. Lightblade 02:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Not if he pre-ordered it! :D Vael Victus 17:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

100% of the money brought in via online sales of GW:EN went to "the company". When purchasing the item at retail, you're paying for shipping, and a high markup that goes into the pockets of the retailers (they have to eat too, y'know). While numbers would certainly vary, it's easy enough to say "they made a lot more money off the folks who bought it online". --Mystisteel 03:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Less than 100% of the money brought in via online sales of GW:EN went to "the company". Credit card company need to eat too. Lightblade 03:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

"100% of the money brought in". Yes, Lightblade, that assumes the cost of the transaction. I think you knew that, and are just trying to mince words to get your point accross, but it truly isn't working. You made your decision, Lightblade - live with it. --70.17.137.32 06:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

This has little to do with Anet's profit. This is about my (and some others) consumer right. Lightblade 11:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

...and I gave up the boxed set for EotN, to include the printed manual, map, and the actual game media (the last time I imaged from a fresh install, it took over a day!) So, yeah, we all make choices and we all make sacrifices! --Mystisteel 02:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

How much does the "printed manual, map, and the actual game media" cost? I'm willing to give the same amount of money for the BMP. Both the manual and map are available online for free, and the game media can be downloaded for free. Lightblade 02:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You'd be surprised what retail markup makes physical things cost in relation to digital ones. However, it comes down to this: you took a gamble (that the boxed version of GW:EN would be better than the digital version + BMP). They took a gamble that the opposite would be true. One paid off, the other didn't. The people who took the other gamble had just as little info to go on as you did - for all they knew, "unique rewards" could be an 8-slot bag. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Does gamble benefits consumers? The house always wins. It's just a matter if they win more or not, but to consumers like me, it's losing. Lightblade 03:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

We - the players who purchase our stuff online also - took a huge risk and gambled on this BMP. Now can you tell me/us if we did not reap benefits on this gamble? Renin 03:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

How did you gambled on this? Sorry, but Aiiane came with gamble, which IMO is a bad description of the situation. To all the online buyers, it's win for the consumer and win for Anet. But for box buyers, Anet wins more and consumers wins less. Lightblade 04:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The players who purchased online will likely be screwed over when they offer the BMP for a small price, or another promotion offer. Anon

That is not the point. I'm saying that BMP is being offered as a bonus thing to online shopper, but not store shoppers. This is equivalent as saying store shoppers are losing that "bonus" part. It's completely different when they can offer it as a standalone product. Because those that choose not to buy it didn't lose anything. You people should stop thinking from the view point of Anet and start thinking from the view point of consumer. After all, you're part of that group. Lightblade 04:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't care if Anet gain more profit or not. I only care about the contents that I'm losing compare to other consumers that spent the same amount of money buying the same product. Lightblade 04:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

...but, lightblade, don't you see? We did not buy the same product! --Mystisteel 07:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

But it all returns to how the product was offered... From the very beginning it was said to be a limited time offer. Because it was mentioned before GW:EN came out, most people abstained from buying GW:EN until the qualification period had started. Also, generally these types of offers generally are to promote something. In this case, it was probably promoting usage of the online store, for whatever reasons. In addition, if they ever intend to create another offer like this, it weakens the power of such an offer if they cave because people will simply wait until it comes out for a price instead of an offer... Which sort of defeats the purpose of the offer which was to promote the method of obtaining the bonus. Sorry, I probably have some circular reasoning in there but you get the idea... --Frozzen 04:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And Lightblade, the amount that credit card companies take from one transaction is likely FAR less than the cost of printing boxes, manuals, shipping, middleman fees, and the like. Gaile summed it up best on a Guru post when she said something along the lines of, "the BMP is a thank-you to users for supporting ANet through purchasing from the online store." To be only concerned with content is somewhat selfish. If you like a company's content (be it a movie, music artist, or whatever), then you make the effort to support them in the best way you can, so that they make more money, and consequently produce more (and even better) content in the future. Kokuou 08:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

This has little to do with Anet's profit. This is about my (and some others) consumer right. And how is buying the box not supporting Anet? Lightblade 11:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? What right? You were perfectly aware of the BMP's terms. You were aware, just like everyone else, that you might miss out on so or so item. You specifically chose not to go for the promotional offer. Now that you know what you're missing out on, you're throwing a tantrum? That's pathetic. You didn't meet the promotional requirements, you didn't get in on the deal. End of story. You have no right to complain. That's like not buying Nightfall and then complaining that those who did get access to Heroes. -- Elv 12:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Elv on this one. Simply put you didnt qualify for the product end of story. Also personally I think the BMP was a marvelous idea for rewarding you for buying GWEN online. I've always felt it rather pointless to buy prophs, factions and nightfall from the online shop, as you pay the full price and yet dont get the box or material inside the box and you save anet shipping fees etc... Thus ive always felt that online shop purchases should either be discounted in some manner, or instead charge full price and offer something like a BMP with each game to encourage people to buy online. Personally I feel that instead of having a time bar to gain access to the BMP, it should have just have been tied to the purchase of GWEN in the online shop, that way people who didnt have the money then could still gain access to it now by buying gwen using the online shop. However thats just my own personal standpoint on the matter as i really have no issue with it. I'm just hoping that in the future with GW2 anet will make a habbit of this,e.g buy gw2 online and you get bmp, buy it from a shop and you get the box,books etc... Seems much fairer to me and finally the motivation i need to purchase their products online. I have the BMP and I'm joying it greatly and i fall into the group of people who have the BMP but really wouldnt mind if anet eventually offered it as a stand alone product for purchase from the online shop. As ultimately I got it for free, as i was gonna buy gwen anyway, and they didn't and thats all the balance I need to the offer. However Lightblade your moaning of "poor me,consumer rights..blah, blah, blah" is really rather pathetic. You didnt take advantage of the offer while it was there, so tough! Suck it up man and move on. -- Salome 17:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

This is what i said up there ^^^ and i don't wanna retype it. But....Im not saying it should be free after this though. I know how they make more money online then in stores, but some of us didnt have a choice to use online. Give us a 5 dollor card at gamestop or something. Unlike a lot of the arguments where we had a choice, I didn't. No credit card. ~ajc2123

I don't have a credit card, but I got the BMP. How you ask? I got someone I know who trusts me to use there's and give them back the money I spent right away. There is always a way if you look for it.--SirFranz(Edit sorry for the double post^) 19:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I did that for character slots but i couldn't for this. They dont trust buying things from a game, or the internet for that matter. Don't think you understand the situation. ~ajc2123

You didn't actually sign, but according to your handle, "~ajc2123", you live in the southern United States. Use a pre-paid card (they work) or a debit card (they also work). I've used both. Not having access is not a good excuse, because you had access. --70.17.137.32 03:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ (caveat: I do not own the BMP) — Skuld 11:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You don't own the BMP Skuld, you just take pleasure in making an upset person more upset, whether they are right or wrong. To the OP, this topic has been brought up quite a lot before. A-Net save money offering products online, they don't pay shipping, packaging or commission to retailers for selling their product. If they hadn't of offered the BMP as a promotion for the in game store, there would likely have been no BMP at all, the whole point is to encourage people to try something they wouldn't have otherwise tried. The BMP isn't a reward for people who spend $x on any GW product, its people who spend the money in the in game store, it doesn't reward loyalty, it promotes the in game store. It was called a promotion for a reason, not a reward to loyal fans. Anon

I'd like to ask everyone to please keep the discussion friendly on this page.

Anon has summed up the reasoning for the creation of the BMP very well -- it was indeed designed as a way to promote the Guild Wars In-Game Store. The project took a significant number of people some months to create, and the justification for that investment of time and labour was that there were benefits to be derived from encouraging purchases through our store. We do offer "loyalty" rewards, of course. The Miniature birthday gifts are one; the Festival Hats given at each Special event are another. -- Gaile 18:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

But by offering the BMP in the in-game store for purchase, you are still promoting the use of the in-game store. You are also allowing more people to appreciate the content that you created. As for those players who participated in your promotional offer, they got the BMP earlier and essentially free of charge. -71.198.22.94 20:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

But allowing the purchase of the BMP in the in-game store only promotes the purchase of that item in the store, as opposed to the promotion which promoted the purchase of other Guild Wars items in the in-game store. -- Frozzen 21:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Frozzen is right! Really guys going on about this now seems like a wasted effort imho. Gaile knows your concerns and our arguemnts here arent going to affect what anet chooses to do after this point. This argument has become somewhat entrenched and its cluttering up Gaile's chat page. How about we drop the subject for now and see what happens in the coming weeks? -- Salome 21:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Anon, thats just the thing. What about those of us, like me, who bought 2 character slots, because thats all you NEED, but it was before the offer was even there. ~ajc2123

And Gaile, im not trying to prove you wrong about those loyalty's we get, but minitures can be bought and sold (i do love them so much though) and the festival hats have no armor rating, therefore doesn't compete at all with the usable tengu, muursat etc. weapons. (But i love them too, specially the new holoween hats, no more pumpkins ftw) ~ajc2123

You make a valid point above, that all the festival hats have is graphical value, no armor rating. However, this is essentially true for the weapons as well--they can easily be replicated with the exception of their appearance, so really the only thing the BMP offers that can't be obtained in some other way is graphics, just as a special event offers graphical awards... -- Frozzen 22:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes but what i was trying to get at is the BMP weapons are an automatic stats + graphic combination, while festival hates are just automatic graphical. ~ajc2123

The BMP is nothing more than but a pain to get the bonus equip instead of making it easy via /bonus and it is a huge "Thank you" by aNet by directly forking over your money instead of letting them waste on things that kill trees. This discussion reminds me of that End song on Lamb Chop's Play along. It will never end, won't it? Make it stop! Please? I mean, come on, how many times will people reiterate and repeat themselves before others really understands? :D Renin 23:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

~ajc2123, as you haven't responded above, I'll comment down here. You are from the southern united states, where pre-paid credit cards and debit cards are prominent, and easily obtainable by a "teen" (who the game is rated for). You or your folks have also purchased items from the in-game for your in the past (see above, regarding character slots). You purchased GW:EN from a retailer (the whole point of this was to drum up business for the in-game store). You made a choice not to be involved with the promotion. Live with it. You deserve absolutely nothing... --70.17.137.32 23:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

And like ive said over and over again Renin, ive bought on the store before, character slot space im certain dont cost 10 dollors, but i bought some anyways. No killed trees, just my cash going in. So wheres my thank you? and random IP user, I had no idea there was a prepaid credit card, a LOT of people didn't either. I literally paid twice the amount of the ingame purchase for the character slots to my friend, who wouldnt let me use his card again, because he is very worried about spending on a GAME and not amazon or something like that. I didn't reply because earlier i told someone not to jump to conclusions like they know everything. You obviously don't know about my situation, so im politly asking you to back off. Frozen gives nice friendly comments, yuo just try and shut people up with any little fact that you find. ~Ajc2123

I bought several character slots before, not because I wanted the BMP but because I wanted more character slots. The thank you I got was more chances of getting them cool birthday mini-pets. Just learn your lesson well next time aNet decides to offer a mysterious bonus something. I was torn between the box and getting GW:EN online but in the end, I fell for their gimmick and looky what I got. A shiney new harder to get /bonus equips! and kids, stop fighting, you know Santa will be mad at you all if you start fighting Renin 23:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

~Ajc2123, again, you are from the United States. Assuming you meet the basic age requirements for the game, or the person who purchased the game for you does, obtaining a credit card (pre-paid or not) or debit card is about a common as you can possibly get. Did you talk to your parents, and ask them for other solutions? Did you ask your friends? During the 2+ months of the promotion, did you bother to come here and ask about credit? No... You knew, given every comment you've made here, you knew how the in-game store works, you know how to use it, and could have easily come up with a solution on your own if you bothered. You made a choice. Other than "I'm 8, and don't have a bank account for some reason", there isn't a single excuse (other than "I'm just too young to know!) you can possibly come up with to back up your assertion of "it just wasn't possible for me". ...and, by the way, I do sign my comments every time I make a post - sometimes while logged in, sometimes while not. You can drop the "random IP" comments, unless you haven't a clue how a wiki works. YOU, however, have failed to do so. Please do, so we can look at your make believe stories across the entire wiki. You, ~Ajc2123, deserve absolutely nothing. --Mystisteel 23:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I just started using Wiki, im not starting a fight. I've said it wasn't a possibility for me, and i was right. Call me a liar if you wish, but im here to discuss getting the BMP available again for at the most a 10 dollor purchase that can be made at gamestop. Not proving my credibility. I only said random IP user cuz i have no idea what to call you. Ajc2123 Happy now?

...and Gaile has made it very clear that they're using this as a promotional tool (here and in other discussions). She never said it wasn't going to be offered again, but it's easy to assume that it's going to be a "carrot" they'll put in front of you. Gaile has made it clear it isn't going up for sale (read this discussion). So, you are wasting your breath. Wait for a similar promotion to take place, and be a part of that one. ...and, please make sure that you actually try to participate in that one. --Mystisteel 00:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this the part where I can start singing "This is the song that doesn't end, and it just goes ON AND ON my friend?" Yes that Lamb Chop did a number on my childhood. Renin 00:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't put words in anyones mouth. She never said it's never going back up for resale. She told us what it was designed for, but nothing about resale. Like i said before, im not fighting you, i tried to the best of my ability. Gaile can talk for herself. This is all I think.

• It would be a good Idea to put it for resale in the form of a card with a key for like 5-10 dollors depending on paper shipping cost
• OR if anything was ever bought online, it's possible to get it. Though the first is more profitable.
• To the best of our abilities, people have tried to gain access only to not realize about prepaid credit cards. Some people actually have fulltime classes and jobs, and barely have enough time to play guild wars let alone research loopholes. (I'm only putting in effort now because classes are going down and i just started using Wiki.) Ajc2123

I'm sorry i misread your post. But my thoughts are still the same.Ajc2123

Right after Skuld told you to "QQ" (at this point, I agree with him), both Anon and Gaile made edits. Read them - both the summary from Anon, and Gaile saying "Yep!" (both in regards to it being a promotional tool, and not a direct purchase!) So, before you tell me I'm putting words into someone else's mouth, please read the discussion you are so interesting in. So, let's try to figure this out - Who may more knowledge of marketing? Someone who doesn't even know about pre-paid credit or debit cards (yet claims to have "fulltime" "classes" and "jobs" - i.e. "middle school kid"), or a whole team of marketers who do this as a profession. That's a tough one... --Mystisteel 00:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Why do you keep insisting on personal attacks? I'm not proving who I am to you, I never said I know more then the marketers, and Gaile said what its purpose was, not whats to become of it, so PLEASE stop putting words in peoples mouths.Ajc2123

Ajc2123 I would like you to check out in the main page, the Gaile/Frog talk. You will see there the most recent statement about the BMP directly from Gaile/Frog herself. It is CURRENTLY unsure if the BMP will be offered in the future. Just pray and hope that your wishes do come true, with such positive and negative responses on the BMP, I'm sure they'll come up with something. If not, just live with the fact that you missed your chance, and that you weren't able to research other possibilities into acquiring the BMP. Do some research next time, or do some research now so when aNet decides to create another mysterious bonus something, you will be able to purchase it without feeling left out. Renin 00:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry ive been ignoring You renin, but Yes i saw that. Thats why I keep saying the words in mouths statement. And thats why im talking about it now, while its still undecided. Once its in cement though, i'll have to let it go. I appreciate your little funny song, and I have no idea why i went this far with it, but its just somehting i feel very strong about. Ajc2123

I don't see how it would be unfair. Those who bought the box (and therefore choose to buy the box) got exactly what they knew they were going to get. Everyone who got GW:EN online made a trade for something of uncertain quality (we didn't know if the BMP would be good or not, we didn't know if its rewards would be good or not, etc), while choosing not to get the box and etc. Those who bought the box may have had some extra expenses (gas money), those who bought the game online also may have had to pay more than they would have to if they just bought the game from a local retalier (as those often sell games for less than the "official" price), not to mention the currency problems with some European countries. Had the BMP been bad, we likely would have some of those who bought GW:EN online complaining how it would not fair that they lost the box and paid more than they had to. Erasculio 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

After I saw what the BMP really was, I was no longer angry about the fact that I don't have a credit card (and thus cannot buy useless upgrades) to get the BMP. What I do care about though, is the fact that the unlock packs were unavailable BEFORE and offered again AFTER the BMP offer expired. That really means that Anet wanted people to pay for the BMP, not give it for free as a promotion. Otherwise, they would have allowed players to select something of value to them (only a few of us really need extra character slots). Anyway, I am not complaining, I never paid for a mostly useless add-on. Sorry soem of you guys did. Nicky Silverstar 08:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Guys.. you all need to chill and back off from Ajc. Take some time off of this page before a handful of NPA tickets are handed out and Gaile asks you to stop. Years from now when you're lying on your deathbed, you won't be ruing the fact you missed out on the BMP or smiling as you "cross the Jordan" that you bought GW:EN just in time to get the BMP. Lets have a little perspective and decency. -elviondale (tahlk) 08:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Errr... Nicky, The BMP was timed to conincide with the release of GWEN, thus most of us who did get the BMP was through buying GWEN in the online shop. Not a useless upgrade. Honestly your comments just sound bitter. Also to AJC, I still dont agree with you. I bought 3 charecter slots 2 hours before the promotion start time, I sent an email to anet asking if these purchases could be considered as falling within the promition and they told me that unfortunately they couldnt, something to do with the automated way the promotion was set up. Now i admit i was raging at the time, as if i had of waited a couple of hours i wouldnt have had to buy GWEN online and i could have had the books etc... However did I then come onto Gailes page and say "THIS ISNT FAIR! WOE IS ME!". No instead i just thought "oh well, gonna have to buy GWEN online as well." It is a Marketing Promtion, you have no rights to it what so ever. You cant claim to deserve it! You want to know what's your reward for having bought 2 extra charecter slots, okay log in to your account; now look at the amount of slots you have. Can you see the two extra ones? There you go, those are your reward. You did not qualify for the promition and therefore arent eligible for the BMP. To be qute frank i dont really care what your personal circumstances are in relation to this, simply put you didnt qualify mate. Now if you wish to change your argument to a disucssion of if it would be nice of Anet to open up the BMP for purchase via different methods, then I will agree with you as i think that would be nice, as i have good friends in game who didnt take advantage of the BMP promtion and are really regrettibng it now and i would love them to have access to it somehow. However I refuse to agree with your current stance of "BUT I DESERVE IT!", as frankly you dont. -- Salome 12:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I dont diserve automatic BMP, but on the basis that I only spent, 20, not 30. But I disagree on the point that my characters are the "thank you" Because not only did BMP qualifiers get their charecters or gwen but they ALSO got that. Thats not what i feel strongly about though, I have no problem at all going to gamestop and spending 5-10 dollors if it were to go on resale, and THATS what i feel strongly about. This is practically a short expansion, and shouldnt be closed out forever. To make it fair to those who already have it, maybe for other buyers to ge tthe weapons, they would need to spend 1k per weapon, so its not totally free. Reopening it would for reSALE would make money, and make everyone happy. The people who had it before get the slight perk of perfectly free weapons, while other buyers have to spend money on the weapons, but sitll get them Ajc2123

Do you not think your over complicating things needlessly? Also why, even if it were abvailable for sale, should it cost between 5-10 dollars? When their are those who spent 30 dollars on charecter slots just to have access to the BMP?? No personally i think if it does comeback it should be under the same reasoning as before. People pay $30 in the onlien shop and off they go with the BMP. As i said before i still dont udnerstand why this promotion was time barred in the first instance. However i dont like the idea of people just being able to buy the thign when others went and bought things that they might not have just to gain access to it. So no i dont agree with you, sorry. This isnt an attack on you mate, as i honestly do hope you gain access somehow in the future, but honestly i think the only way to do it fairly is to open the promtion to not have a cut off date, then you can get it when you eventually get a debit card. -- Salome 18:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Well it was costly to store buyers too. We had to pay tax, and gas, and if we had the choice of not having the box and w/e comes with it, I know I myself would have said, "I dont need the box i only need the game." I realize your not attacking me, and I don't think either of us will ever change our opinion about HOW this should be available again. But I do know one thing. It shouldnt be left out of the window forever. Someway or form, this should come back.Ajc2123

Just so im clear, because im a little confused here, you think the option should be open with no time limit, but it should still remain online. Does that mean next time its open to spend another 30 dollors,of any cost at all that you made is added to your total, so i would need one more character slots to purchase it?Ajc2123

Dear Salome, when you have just 3 characters, like myself, character slots are a useless upgrade. Also, by the time it became available, many people were unable to cancel their purchase of GW:EN. I am not bitter about not getting the BMP, honestly. I am really, really, REALLY glad I didn't spend money on useless character slots just to get the BMP. That would have been a waste of money to me. I already had GWEN, the skill unlock packs were unavailable, the skill slots wouldn't have added anything to the game (for me personally) and to be honest, to me the BMP doesn't sound like it's worth $30. 5 yes, maybe 10, but I would have had to spend $30 for just the BMP (since the purchaes itself don't do anything for me), and that simply is more than I am willing to spend on it. Read bitterness if you will, but it is the simple truth. Nicky Silverstar 21:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Dude how do you have just three characters? I WISH I could focus like that so I can actually get things done. The only person ive brought through all campaigns out of my 10 guys is my warrior. I'm glad i can play all classes but I cant do it effectively since most are PvE (having to buy skills, cap skills etc.) Im curious, what classes are they? Ajc2123

Try having 20 charecters and then you find out how hard it is to focus. *looks at charecter selection screen and shakes head*. Anyhoo just to clarify, yeh mate i do think that it should be online but that their shouldnt be a cut off point. Hell i think it would probably be in their best interests to make a few versions of the BMP and have them as things which unlock once you've spent a certain amount in the online shop. say BMP1 is $30, BMP2 is $50 and so on. I think that would be a great way to motivate people to use the online shop. I know i would. But then im one of the people who thinks that anet under use the online shop anyway. Like honestly i would love them to put unique minipets in there, access to new armour traders and access to new dances for your charecters or funky effects like divine aura. I've always felt that as long as you cant sell them in game, then it wont effect the econmoy and will just give people more choice on how to customise their account. However most people disagree with me,still dont really understand why, but oh well. Too nicky,most people i know who got the BMP just canceled their pre-orders of GWEN. In fact this turned out cheaper for alot of people as alot of guys got the preorder disc for free when preordering (or for about £2), but when you then went and bought gwen online, it knocked £5 off the retail price,instead of the 2,thus saving you a nifty £3 at least. I wasnt one of the peeps who was fortunate enough for this to happen too, but i know many that it did. -- 82.46.237.197 01:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

They are an Elementalist, a Ranger and a Paragon. I also am trying an Assassin at the moment, but I am thinking of deleting her, because at heart, I'm a midliner, not a meleeër...and we have way too many of those in my guild anyway. Back on topic, it is very nice that so many people got a chance to get a good deal on the BMP. I do not disagree with the statement that it is pretty sweet if you get it in addition to something you need. However, if you would have to spend money just for the BMP, then it just isn't worth $30 in my humble opinion. Nicky Silverstar 07:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There's one other thing I'd like to point out: in your great American country, every kid of 8 years and above has a credit card. In Europe, only 1 in 10 adults has one (and the number is decreasing rapidly). SMS payments are a novelty, and Anet only made it possible for SOME European countries. Now tell me again, that if someone here doesn't qualify, because he has absolutely no way to even try and get the BMP...how is that fair? We deal in bank transfers for 95% of all transactions. Had they made payment through PayPal or bank transfer possible, they would have sold a lot of GWEN's in Europe. But they didn't. It is not fair to the Europeans, it is not profitable to Anet. So basically, it's a wasted opertunity. Nicky Silverstar 07:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicky, nay offense but i live in Edinburgh. I can state right now that Anet accepts debit cards and 90% of employed adults within the EU own a debit card of some variety. Your last statement about 1 in 10 is completely wrong and your comments about it decreasing is also wrong. I repeat 90% of people in the EU have some variety of cash card which anet will accept. -- Salome 07:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nick, the bad part though is because we almost all have them, we overcharge for things we don't need, and spend money we don't have, then interest piles up, etc etc. Thats why I don't have one yet. Not all rainbows and butterflies lol. I just think it would be fair to have an ingame purchasable item like a card. Maybe on the online store, it can be 5$, while in the stores, 10$, because of paper, shipping, printing, w/e.Ajc2123

Gah i meant instore, not ingame purchase. Ajc2123

Maybe where you live Salome, but Europe is a lot bigger than Edinburgh. Nicky Silverstar 19:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicky, Europe is alot larger than where you live as well, just as you are saying to Salome, you can't talk for the whole country. As for every kid in America having a credit card, your preceptions are skewed. Most kids in America don't have credit cards, nor can they even apply for one (typically till 18 by law depending on state). Often times, an adult takes on the responsibility of paying for it, I know that is what we did with out teen who wanted online games and credit card was the only way to pay. Med Luvin 15:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it is a huge overstatement that every kid in the U.S. has a credit card, but still, if you wanted the BMP, you could've just asked your parents or gotten a debit card. So stop complaining about not getting the BMP; if you didn't get it, you didn't get it.

Hahaha, very funny. It doesn't work that way for everyone, and if you lived where I live, you'd understand. And if you read my posts, you'd know that I am not complaining about not getting the BMP. I am trying to get Anet to understand that if they don't want people to get annoyed (and quit the game), then they seriously need to rethink their marketing strategies. I couldn't care less about the BMP itself. Nicky Silverstar 08:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where you live, or what conditions you live in. But I'd also like to mention that some parents don't want to use their credit cards online, especially for games. You can explain to them that it's a one-time payment and it's safe, they'll still refuse. Then what? Alaris 15:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

BMP weaps

→ moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

Any way you can make them usable on our PvP chars? — Skakid9090 19:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, haven't tried this, but have you tried transferring a gold book received from doing the 3 bonus objectives per mission? I would have thought that that would work... --Snograt 20:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

that wouldn't work as u still have to get the pvp char to the collector who's in lions arch and 2 other places --Cursed Angel 20:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you get two weapons (for each new mission, including discovery mode) per character, or two per account?--MP47 (talk) 03:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You get a weapon for each completed book. You can complete a book as many times as you want. For each book, there are 3 discoveries and for each you get an extra book which any character on your account can get their hands on, sans PvP. Those 3 discoveries for each book only yield that reward once. (for 12 extra books, but unlimited 1-per-mission books) -elviondale (tahlk) 05:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

So there's 1 mission book per bonus mission (which is unlimited), and 1 once-only book per discovery per mission? -- ab.er.rant 06:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes- and that 1 mission book per bonus can be obtained without theoretical limit -elviondale (tahlk) 07:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The weapons are rewards for PvE content, I don't see why a PvP character should be able to obtain them. Anon

I don't really care if my PvP character get them or not, but I also don't see a problem with it. Given that we can get these in unlimited quantity, I don't see why they don't make the "Discovery" bonus books either account-wide (for the PvPers) or tradeable (so there are limited quantities of these weapons in the hands of non-participants - I'd love to give my 12 out for rewards for guild events...) They could also make the skins rewards as PvP tournament awards for people with the BMP (similar to other "rare" skins in PvP). Still, I can't say that I care all that much. --Mystisteel 02:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

builds?

The builds that you use for each mission aren't shown anywhere. Is there a reason?--24.113.104.238 00:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)uberxman1028

They were in the articles for the four disguises. I've also added them to the mission articles. -- Gordon Ecker 01:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Weapons for HoM

Can't help but hoping these weapons can be displayed in Hall of Monuments someday. Like tormented and Destroyer weapons. The skins are beautifull. --Silverleaf

Probably not as their not that hard to obtain, but I'll keep my fingers crossed, even though i dont have BMP :P ~ Kurd 11:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Rewards

Though the rewards are certainly unique and admirable, I was hoping for a little bit more. I'm a glutton for titles and, well, I was wondering if Anet could create a "Historian" title to show others that we've accomplished all the bonus missions in discovery mode, sure they're not that hard to achieve, but it would be a nice addition in my opinion. Nick 21:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Exactly my thought. I for one am glad that I didn't have the credit card to waste money on this. Nicky Silverstar 08:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think I'd be against any other physical bonuses, but an "historian" title would certainly be neat. They would, however, need to make sure that the BMP is offered regularly in future promotions (buy this magazine, buy X from the online store over 2 months, etc). I am completely against it being sold for a direct fee, however, regardless of the rewards... --Mystisteel 18:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm against such an easy title. No need to devaluate every acomplishment in the game. -- (gem / talk) 03:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Again i agree with Gem on this one.also is this not liking asking for a bonus on top of the bonus you got? some people are just never happy... -- Salome 07:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Not saying that the rewards aren't 'worthy' or the sort, s'just nice to be able to flaunt the fact that you HAVE the bonus pack and managed to complete it fully, forgive me for being a bit egotistical, what's the use of a bonus if others don't know you have it? Ofcourse, I did enjoy the BMP, but after it was done... Well, what's going to show you've accomplished it, asides from the weapons which can only be seen in an explorable area? Nick 16:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand how Gem and Salmome can say that. Should every title in the game have the same difficulty to obtain? Should we choose to object to titles easier to get than others? Lucky involves standing in a ring all weekend. Sweet tooth and drunkard don't require you to do anything but consume items, admittedly one is more annoying than the other. Protector titles are arguable the easiest to achieve in the game. Just because you think something is easy to do doesn't mean it shouldn't have a title, there are plenty of easy titles. I think it would be cool to have a title for this, just like it would be cool to have a title for completing elite areas, (most people have never cleared UW or FoW before the monument, most people STILL haven't, and never will, cleared DoA). Titles are a sign of completing something, any value placed on a title is a player based value judgement, I worked hard for Legendary Survivor, some people look at it and think I bought it so our value judgement is very different. Lightbringer and Sunspear titles are easy to get, the only title I see which has any great value any more would be a maxed Luxon/Kurzick title, everything else can be bought or achieved in 1-2 days. Anon

Anon, if you can max any given title in 1-2 days, good for you. I'd like to see you start a new character and get God Walking in 2 months. Good luck. But even if you can make it, and not die of exhaustion, it remains true that BMP would require much less investment to max than any other title, if you count time, skill, and money. BMP is most similar to Protector, already considered a relatively easy title, except that there are only 4 missions. Alaris 04:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget about maintaining a 40 hours per week job and having a family to attend to. Include that in your 2 months challenge ;) Barinthus 05:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd be impressed if he pulled it off doing nothing but playing GW and sleeping. I'm counting 10h survivor, 106 missions / dungeons x 2 modes say on average 1h each, 136 areas to vanquish at on average 1h each. 242h is roughly 4 hours a day for 2 months. And that only brings you halfway towards the 2 months challenge. I think somebody's been speaking too quickly. Alaris 06:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'd rather they make those creatures drop stuff and let me keep them. It's frustrating doing a long story like Saul's and then lose. Because in losing, you basically just wasted your time. A really really easy title that's also exclusive to those who opted for the BMP? I just don't think it's such a good idea. Reasons: One, it's quite a bit too easy to be a title. Two, it'll piss off those who are already mad about the BMP even more. Three, it'll piss off those who are already complaining that we have too much easy titles that cheapen the maxed titles track. -- ab.er.rant 06:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I like that you don't have to constantly stop to gather stuff. I'm not against if creature killing reward gold like bounties. Faction would also be nice, which you could then trade in for zaichen keys. Alaris 14:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Note that most titles can be done at the same time, given that you have the resources and time, you could do it in a few days, as Anon said. And yes, it would annoy those who don't have a BMP, but there is a possibility that more promotions will be available in future for additional missions, some of these bonuses will be gained by users and some may not. Whisperer Nick 17:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

What's with indent? Anyway, I'd like to see someone back up these wild claims. I'm collecting titles myself, my old main has 10 maxed titles. I wrote large parts of the article on how to combine titles to take advantage of synergies between them. I then started a new main char, who now clocks 280 hours for 1 surv, 2 prots, 1 skill hunter, and almost completed 1 vanquisher, 1 other skill hunter, and 1 cartographer. I have r5-r6 in all EotN reps, r8 in sunspear. By 300 hours, I should have 7-8 titles if I concentrate on completing titles. Days, where I live, are usually 24 hours long. And most people need to sleep. Alaris 19:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with indent, is there? O.o Anyways, 'wild claims'? I'm talking about the possibility for a new title which shows others that one has accomplished the bonus, not how fast one can gain titles. Anon perhaps over exaggerated, but we all gathered what he meant, there are different difficulties for certain titles and they all offer something different to players. Whisperer Nick 16:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I meant that you're supposed to indent if you reply to someone, so people looking at the page can follow the conversation. To get back to the topic, I think that there is nothing wrong with a title that shows your accomplishments, for example, one that would show that you finished the BMP. I repeat, that's fine with me. BUT... that would become a problem if it adds to the KoaBD title track. Considering how quickly and easily the BMP title can be gained, it would become an unfair advantage towards gaining KoaBD title tracks. Sure titles differ in difficulty, but with trade-offs: (1) Lucky, Drunkard, and Sweet Tooth may be easy titles, but they all require considerable investment of money to get them, (2) Protector may cost nothing, but it requires some amount of skill (yes, some people have difficulty getting that title), (3) Lightbringer, Sunspear, and other Reputation titles all require you to get the last two levels in hard mode, often farming for them. So the BMP title would be the easiest to get if you consider the trade-offs, it's relatively easy, it's free, and it's one of the fastest. And for your information, I have the BMP. Alaris 19:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't really see Anet be willing to implement a title that a large segment of playerbase cannot attain because they didn't go for a promotion. It'd hurt their chances of getting that max title. Barinthus 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It also hurts your chances of a certain max title if you can't afford to buy Nightfall. Sure, you can still buy NF, but I don't see why limited availability should be an obstacle. Personally I don't care what they do either way, I'm just tired of seeing endless amounts of whining on the BMP. If you got it you're lucky, if you didn't, you're not. That's all. -- Elv 12:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Nightfall is not going to leave, it's going to be available when a player is able to purchase it. OTOH, BMP has only one window of opportunity for players to obtain it and it's now gone. So as of this time it's impossible for players to get BMP now while it is not impossible to get NF. Anyway we definitely can agree on one thing - I'm sick to death of hearing people whining about BMP. I could go into exactly how I think of those folks but I won't since it'd be a waste of time. Barinthus 12:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I will. Guys, ANet knows how you feel about it, and they're read all different points of views. Continuing to whining about it will not add anything new to what they already know. Alaris 14:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Who's whining? It's a discussion amongst the people of GW. Anyways, I'm new to this whole GWW thing, thank you for telling me, Alaris. Whisperer Nick 15:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

They are a bit too easy to get titles for them. But an statue in the Hall would be good. But... the big deal is... do your character earn XP while making them? If characters earn XP with kills, since deaths do not count... it would be the ultimate safest way to Survivor. MithranArkanere 15:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that you do not earn exp when killing an enemy during a BMP mission, as for deaths, Polymock deaths still count as a death and halt the survivor title, not too sure whether the BMP deaths would do the same. 82.112.130.27 19:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Complaint about aquiring rules

I am here to complain about the way it is acquired. I have invested a large amount of money into the game. I own all campaigns and the EotN expansion. I bought 12 additional characters over time, and simply because some of us did not buy enough within the time period pointed out we are left out of the mission pack. Even tho we spent a lot of money into the game, we are completely left out of the mission pack. I believe this is unfair and an insult to the player base who were not around at the time of this pack's release. I sincerely hope this pack will be made available for a small price to those who couldn't make the initial release for some reason. I am quite disappointed about this whole case. It would've been a lot better if there was a 2nd requirement option stating something along the lines of "If you spend more then $xxx you will also get the bonus pack." That would've made it a lot more fair to the general players. -- Clantron 12:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Having purchased other things isn't relevant. You got somtrhing for that money: whatever you bought.

I do feel sorry for new players who will not have a way get get the BMP. While this is true for any promotion pack, like the preorders, the BMP is different in that it is continuous content. Backsword 12:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes but other people got what they spent for their money, AND the BMP, so thats not a very solid argument. In your case clantron, that is very very unfair to you, especially as the "loyal" player you are. I hope they do something about this. It's not like you were going to buy more slots JUST for the BMP. Ajc2123

This has been discussed in many places and also Gaile has commented on this. I can't find a link for you now, but on some if Gailes talk pages she said that this was a promotion to promote the in game store as they see benefits in players using the in game store.

If you bought EotN like you said, you could always have bought it through the in game store since the promotion was revelaed long before EotN release. It's sort of a trade off the packed content versus the BMP, but if you really want both then buy both. :) -- (gem / talk) 12:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A magazine decides it wants to encourage people to subscribe, so it runs an offer "free mousepad with any new subscription within the next month". Is this "unfair" to the people who were already subscribed to the magazine? Possibly. Yet magazines do it all the time, and it's normal, because the people who are subscribed to the magazine are subscribed because they want to read it: they're getting something for their money. Do the people who get the mousepad also get the magazine? Yes. Is this in any way out of the ordinary? No. Promotions are unfair. They're designed to be unfair, because if they were fair they wouldn't be promotions, they'd just be adjusting the regular price of a product.

In this case, the promotion was designed to increase purchases in the online store, and simply giving it away to anyone who had already made purchases wouldn't do anything to accomplish that. Welcome to business. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 12:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

You are right about the things you mentioned, but right now the promotion does no good anymore. So why not give the 'free bonus' after a while for a paid price? Like a $9.99 bonus pack or something similar. Those who spent the money earlier got it free as a promotion while those who weren't able for some reason can still buy it afterwards. This would only increase online revenue, no? I know I would spend the $9.99 for it just for the collection desire. -- Clantron 13:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably because some users actually wasted more than $9.99 to buy the BMP. Someone who did not need anything from the store, who did not want to buy GW:EN online, and then bought three character slots he did not really want would have spent $30.00 in order to get the BMP. Was that wise? IMO nope, it wasn't, but the fact is that some players did that, and now, if the missions were sold for less, they would feel cheated. Likewise, some players pointed out how they could have bought GW:EN for a lower price at their local retailers, but had to pay more in order to buy GW:EN online - if the BMP is now released for less than that difference in cost, some of those players would likely complain about how they lost money.

There are many different points of view here. No matter what Arena Net did (or will do), someone is going to have some reason to complain. Erasculio 13:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. It's either those who want it but didn't get it, or those who got it but didn't want the other stuff. I think if the BMP is released as online purchase at a later date, it should be ok for most of both parties. Alaris 15:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only one who didn't find Aiiane's "Welcome to business" very welcoming? This person's feedback is