Talk:Inscription

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Contents 1 Campaign? 2 Trivia? 3 Disambiguation 4 Article Overhaul 5 condition reduction 6 Weapons that could have an Inscription but don't have one 7 Inscription Trader 8 New Inscription? 9 weapon or shield specific 10 Strength and Honor changes? 11 Strength and Honor Q. 12 Unidentified Inscription? 13 Got a weird Inscription.. 14 Incorrect Data

[edit] Campaign?

What does it mean for an inscription to be Core? I thought only Nightfall weapons have inscriptions, and several of the "Nightfall" inscriptions corresponds to modifiers that can be found in weapons of other campaigns. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 13:10, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

I've cleared it up. -- Gordon Ecker 06:44, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

If it is PvP then core should be removed as they are different. - BeX 08:24, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

I think it's a difference between "Accounts that do not have Nightfall still can use it in PvP", vs "Only accounts that have Nightfall can have it (in PvP and PvE)". Gordon's clearing it up made things precise and correct, but still takes thinking to understand what it really means.-User:PanSola (talk to the ) 11:34, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

In the first case, then campaign should just read PvP. In the second case it should just read Nightfall. PvP can be considered a separate campaign, seeing as it is released separately also. Core should mean available to all PvE campaigns. At least, that is how it is used everywhere else. - BeX 00:15, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Using your terms, it'd remain unclear (to the uninitiated) whether something labeled "Nightfall" is available for PvP or not, since you are considering PvP as "a separate campaign". -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 11:03, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Using the current terms is incorrect with the definition of core. We are teaching the "uninitiated" an incorrect definition. - BeX 11:11, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

"Within the context of Guild Wars, Core refers to those features which are common to all campaigns". In this particular case, players who only have the Prophecies campaign will have the "Strength and Honor" inscription available for PvP, but they will not have the "Don't Think Twice" inscription available to them. I fail to see how the definition is incorrect. Unclear? perhaps, but your proposal doesn't make things clearer either. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 13:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

If something is available for PvP, then it should be marked as PvP, not core. - BeX 01:34, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Should all core skills be labeled as "Core and PvP" then (since those skills are available for PvP)? And how do you distinguish things that are only available in PvP for people who have Nightfall campaign, versus things that are available in PvP regardless of whichever campaign people own? -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 04:28, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

This is a confusion we ran into when we were doing the armor - certain art types were labelled as core because they were available with a PvP character, whether or not you had the campaign. Which is what led us to specify PvP as a completely separate parameter. Most of the time PvP gets ignored, or lumped in with core, which shouldn't happen. It's easy enough to be descriptive when saying when things are available for PvP or not, but to say something is core when it should say PvP is misleading. If it were a Nightfall only pvp thing, all you would have to do is say PvP (Nightfall only). I am tired of seeing "Core" being misused - if you are saying that a thing is available to any campaign, but you cant get it in pve, that's a contradiction. PvP is a separate "campaign". - BeX 06:47, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Reset indent. I don't know how things are done here, but originally on GuildWiki following the release of Factions, only Obsidian, Tyrian, Acalon, and Krytan armors were listed as Core, and they were in fact available in both campaign's PvE (and PvP), so there was no misuse of "Core" with respect to armor, at least originally on GuildWiki. In fact, armor art that were available to Factions-only PvP but not in Factions PvE were not labeled as Core, completely opposite of your claims. The armor articles treat PvP as "exceptions to the rule", not as "a separate campaign". PvP is a completely separate parameter, NOT in the campaign field, because it was not considered as a campaign.

If we go by your logic and consider the use of the term "PvP (Nightfall only)" legit, then that is to say that either the PvP/PvE factoring is a different factoring system than the campaign system, or that campaigns are not mutually exclusive. In both cases ("PvE/PvP is a spearate factoring system" or "campaigns are not mutually exclusive") there's nothing wrong with saying "Core (PvP only)". To say "PvP is a separate campaign" and to say something is "PvP (Nightfall only)" is self-contradictory, since you have rejected the possibility of intersections of PvP with other campaigns. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 15:38, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

As inscribable items are now available in Factions elite missions should we include a specific Factions mention under Campaign? Factions (Urgoz's Warren and The Deep only). --Evil Geek 22:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia?

How about a trivia section since each of these is a reference to pop culture? Example; "To the Pain!" is from the Movie - "The Princess Bride." Sorsscriba 22:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The trivia would end up longer than the article. Adding trivia is a bad idea because most of it would be purely speculation - you can never be sure who is referencing whom. - BeX 06:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

while i agree that adding trivia to this article would lengthen it considerably, i think it needs to be noted somehow even if it is speculation. u say u want separate articles for each item in the game, so why don't we create articles for each inscription? that way we can note trivia on its own page. of course, the trivia will still probably be longer than the rest of the article, but so what? --VVong|BA 19:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Having all of the trivia embedded into this single article would quickly make the like too large and unweildy - but I have no objection to the idea of having individual articles for each inscription that could then contain trivia specific to that particular inscription. Those who want to see a summary list can view it in this article, those who want the trivia can view the individual articles. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Emily Diehl volunteered to verify some trivia, so if we give her a list, she can tell us which are legit when she has the time. Maybe start Guild Wars Wiki:Projects/Trivia.. - BeX 02:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I would be against even putting verified ones on this list. There are a lot of inscriptions here, making even a list of only the verified ones to be unmanageably big. Better to offload the trivia - which is why I support individual pages. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't want them on this page either, but I would like to make sure that unverified claims or ridiculous ones are kept off certain articles. - BeX 05:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the wiki should document all the information it can about items, and in this case, trivia included. Some of the references are so obvious, such as "I Can See Clearly Now" - clearly, a reference to the song "I Can See Clearly Now": I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way. Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind." --Talonz // 00:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You Could just put anouther Box in the grid for Trivia and just Put like one or two words such as "Cultural Phrase" or "Name of Song" or something like that.--Andyana 11:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a special case. Most trivias can be separated, for example, quests names, spell names, etc. But there are no separte articles for inscriptions. Solution? A separate article for Inscription Trivia: Inscription/Trivia Then we add a link like this: Inscription/Trivia#Forget Me Not after each verified entrance, directing to the data about that particual inscription. MithranArkanere 00:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone had modified the inscription name to link to the trivia, and I agree with the person that removed it that the name itself should not link to trivia. As a substitute, the link to the full article is currently just at the bottom of the page. As a middle ground between those two solutions, I think it would also work to insert an additional column next to the name that contains the link to the specific entry in the trivia article - that way the name itself is not the link, and the link can go directly to the relevant entry in the trivia article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Trivia is that important that we have to make a link for each inscription. Also the trivias are such short that it's not that difficult to browse through the list.. poke | talk 19:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The very reason that they are in a seperate article can find its roots in the argument that having them as a single large list attached to this article made it difficult to navigate. If the trivia article were alphabetized, then I could agree that it's not difficult to browse the list - but that's not currently the case. As it stands now, if someone wanted to add a column with links to the specific trivia entry, I would strongly support them in doing that. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

I notice that currently you can't search for the Inscription by name, example: Strength and Honor and "Strength and Honor" don't exist. While I think that a page dedicated to each inscription is <Will Ferrel>Too... much...</Will Ferrel> I do think that perhaps having all inscription names redirect to this page is a good idea. If people agree, I can help with this as it's a bit of work... - Thulsey - talk 02:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You certainly won't be told off for making them. --Lemming64 02:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I said disambiguation, but upon reflection it's obvious that redirection is the way to go here... no need for a page to say 'you might be looking for this...' I'll go ahead and create, and if anyone tells me off, I'll send 'em here. ^_^ - Thulsey - talk 02:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

All done. - Thulsey - talk 04:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Overhaul

I've overhauled the article to correct some errors and omissions ... However, I don't have a PvP toon or free character slot so I couldn't check which inscriptions were or weren't available in PvP weaponset creation, so I had to go by what was in the old article. I'm also unsure of which inscriptions can and can't drop from the elite chests as I have mentioned in the article.

I'm also not sure when or how an article loses "stub" status so I left the warning in place for now. -- pullus talk 01:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] condition reduction

Hey, I am new here (first post, yay!) and hope I have done everything right... to the point: I don't dare to edit the article so I post my suggestion here. After testing it seems like that condition reducing inscription (like for example "I Can See Clearly Now") have to be equipped while the condition is applied to take effect. This is mainly interesting for weapon swapping ... Can anyone confirm my tests here and maybe add a comment on that. Cheers, Timebandit P.s. Wiki rocks --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Timebandit (talk).

[edit] Weapons that could have an Inscription but don't have one

Well, in the article is written that it need to be confirmed if HoH chest drops may appear without inscription...well, what i can say is that i already got golden items in NF and EotN that didn't have an inscription slot. happens only very rarely, though. —ZerphaThe Improver 11:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inscription Trader

Don't you think it would be a good idea to have an Inscription Trader, too, or add it to the Rune Trader? I'm tired of finding a great inscription, selling it, then realizing a week or two later that I want it for a different character and have to search for 3 days to find another one, and the price is twice what I sold it for. I've got 11 char slots, some of which are primarily used for storage, but you can't always save everything you find. I'm not really too worried about the price because I've got plenty of money, but being able to buy inscriptions from a trader would save enormous amounts of hassle and time. - TheStuff07 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

If they added an Inscription trader, then they would need to add a weapon mod trader too. — ク Eloc 貢 17:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but if the prices were based on supply and demand, it would still be worth it, even for weapon mods, too. - TheStuff07 03:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Prices would definitely plummet as people have the chance to now just go to the Inscription Trader. — ク Eloc 貢 21:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

So, prices plummet. Makes everything cheaper for the people who need to buy upgrades. It would be even better for weapon mods, too, cause I just spent 90k on maxing out just a Warrior's weapon and shield. Prices have gotten ridiculous, and no one who knows how to play will sell it cheaper, and most of the noobs don't get those kinds of upgrades. TheStuff07 08:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Most of the noobs don't even know what weapon mods are. — ク Eloc 貢 08:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, true, but I'm not the type of guy to take advantage of noobs. I wouldn't mind spending 3k on a good inscription at a trader, or 8k for a good weapon mod at a trader, but some mods and inscriptions go as high as a Rune of Superior Vigor, and even higher. TheStuff07 21:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

this has been an oft requested addition. inscription/mod trader that sells perf and near perf components would be ideal. but anet hasn't said anything that indicates they'll be doing this so i'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen. it'll have to wait until gw2 if ever. --VVong|BA 21:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Inscription?

Couldn't find this inscription from this page. :o Too bad that the weapon is from Tyria and the mod unsalvagable. --Kalomeli (talk) 16:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I've heard of this inherent mod before, but have never seen one myself. It's a pretty rare one by all accounts, and there is no equivalent inscription. --Valshia 00:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Try selling it and make lots of money. — ク Eloc 貢 17:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at this, the bow's little brother. I bet those two cryptic mods only appear on gold weapons, as the +5 energy mod does... —ZerphaThe Improver 14:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I've still got a Shadow Blade with inherent +14%/-1 (yeah not +15%/-1, weird) in my storage, can provide screens for "research" if needed. Ratys 13:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] weapon or shield specific

a lot of inscriptions are weapon or shield specific, yet i see no mention of this?

The section Inscription types mentions this..? poke | talk 17:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strength and Honor changes?

Last time I customized my weps the 15^50 (Str. and Honor) mod was turned 10^50, why? Ninjas In The Sky 07:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Either a bug or you used the wrong mod. — ク Eloc 貢 02:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strength and Honor Q.

Does Strength and Honor add 15% to all damage output (I.E. spells) or just 15% to the weapon? --Czar 13:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Weapon. — ク Eloc 貢 19:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unidentified Inscription?

So I was farming with a couple of guys. Then someone from my party found this:

He said he salvaged a regular white weapon (for materials) and got this weird inscription. So my question is; WTF? --Lefy Piyero 12:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

white? 0ô And he is sure he didn't want to say blue? —ZerphaThe Improver 12:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

He said white item... --Lefy Piyero 12:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

That's actually impossible, weapons are only white if they do neither have a damage mod, upgrades, nor any other special features (like several quest items as the 55 cesta). Even if a white item gets an upgrade, it becomes blue. And as items without inscription do not take them, i hardly presume he was talking about an unidentified blue item instead, or possibly noticed another weapon without noticing it. —ZerphaThe Improver 12:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Either he really didn't notice it or it's some kind of bug. Either way I never saw anything like it before. If anyone did see something similar... I'd like to know about it. I asked my alliance and they didn't know what the hell I wanted from them >.< --Lefy Piyero 13:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The way to get those are the salvage blue, purple, or gold weapons which aren't identified yet. — ク Eloc 貢 16:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Got a weird Inscription..

It was "Damage +14%" There was no (While in a stance), (while health is above 50%) (while you are hexed) etc... Plainly damage +14%. Any idea what the hell that is? lol And how much it would have been worth? My brother sold it to a Merchant...--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:86.20.209.120 (talk).

Was the next line energy -5 or armor -10 while attacking? if not, it would have been extemely valuable--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:122.109.162.76 (talk).

[edit] Incorrect Data

"Any weapon which drops from the Chest of Woe or Underworld Chest is guaranteed to carry an inscription slot and inscription. " is not correct. I saw a non-inscribable gold Obsidian Edge drop from the Chest of Woe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.134.157.117 (talk • contribs) at 06:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC).

You're right. In some rare cases, weapons drop without inscription slot. (This happens seemingly more often to non-inscripable items) Anyways, any normally inscripable item can come without any inherent mod - in general, in this case they don't get "Inscription: None" like crafted weapons, which causes them not to accept inscriptions just like any non-inscripable weapon. —ZerphaThe Improver 13:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)