Talk:Mad King Thorn

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Well, I was thinking about leaving this out, but it's amusing *patpats Gaile's talk page*. There are rumors that Gaile dated Mad King Thorn :o. And his real name is Mad King Eugene. ~ | Pae - Talk | 23:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Question 2 Men with hats? 3 Time of Appearance 4 2006 & 2007 (& soon 2008) 5 When does the Mad King "see you"? 6 Thanks 7 Massive Revision at 2007 page 8 Merge proposal

[edit] Question

What does he give in the Halloween 2007?

We don't know, no one does, go poke Gaile :P but she won't say anything :P just wait till Wednesday Tomoko 21:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Now known: Mummy Mask in Kamadan and Scarecrow Mask in Lion's Arch. --Thervold 08:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Men with hats?

Wasnt The Safety Dance done by Tears for Fears? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.158.120.195 .

No. Click the Wikipedia link right in the trivia note, or google it. - Tanetris 08:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

lol doesnt the name give it away. the whole hat thing

[edit] Time of Appearance

How long will he be in the city (in minutes/hours)?

For around 30 minutes. BlazeRick 05:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 & 2007 (& soon 2008)

This page has information from 2006 Halloween and 2007 Halloween mixed. Therefore it is corrupted. I have two proposals. First one is to make it so when players search for Mad King, they come to page asking them to choose - Mad King 2005, Mad King 2006, and Mad King 2007. Each page will have appropriate information for that Halloween such as what prizes you get and what dialogue was used.

Or if it is determined that differences are minor such as it's just joke dialogues and hats/masks that are different then we catorgize such on pages - for example Joke Dialogue - 2005, Joke Dialogue - 2006, and Joke Dialogue - 2007. The problem is information for 2006 Halloween is incomplete and there are dialogue lines in 2007 I do not recall seeing in 2006 along with several others. Anyway I created 2007 page - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mad_King_Thorn_2007. Barinthus 13:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

lol i loved the paragon joke, dont know why.--Cursed Angel 14:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Would it be too much to have separate sections within the article? Or are there too many dialogue differences? --Lemming 17:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Separate sections would probably work, if the dialogues aren't too different. But currently most of the article refers to 2006 and not much about 2005, some details from this year. - anja 17:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I noticed the main description at the top needs to be updated as it refers to the previous years. I think almost all the jokes are different this year, however for 2005 and 2006 I remember them being fairly similar. --Lemming 17:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm against splitting into different years, because the differences are minor, and can be documneted under subheadings in the proper section of the article, as Lemming suggested. Calor - talk 18:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Right now I suspect dialogues differences are not too great to justify three seperate sections but I want to double-check. Blame it on my history major background if you want but we're taught to not make assumptions with our research. I will visit the Mad King again later today and capture all dialogues this time. However, FYI half of joke dialogues on this page are from 2007 not 2006. Anyway, back to the point, if it is as what I suspected we can just do it all on this page with subheadings such as "Joke Dialogues - 2006" and "Joke Dialogues - 2007." Rewards will have to be differentiated as well since this year we get trick and treat bags and last year people got various items. It's also a shame we don't have 2005 data unless 2005 and 2006 are exact same other than the Kamadan addition? Barinthus 19:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I vote No on splitting the page. It should have separate headings for the different dialogues --Primeval Sentinel Talk

One other thing to consider is that most of dialogues were added to this page after the initial appearance of Mad King for the current Halloween so how do we know those pertains to 2007 or 2006 or both? The whole thing is corrupted. The only proper thing to do is to revert to the version it was before the first appearance of the King for 2007 and edit in 2007 information. Then after that, the community can look at 2007 dialogues and determine whether if they were the same for 2006 (tedious at best unless there's evidence somewhere else) or leave 2006 information as it was before the edits made after the first appearance. Barinthus 03:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as the person who added in that massive bunch of dialogue, it's from the 2007 version. LA, specifically. I'll also note that the dance dialogue, at least, is exactly the same as the screenshot I have of it from 2005. I've attended all 3 Halloween events and, aside from the jokes, I'm quite confident that none of the dialogue this year was new. I see no reason to split the article. A subpage for retired jokes, maybe, but there are more differences between LA and Kamadan dialogues than there is from year to year. - Tanetris 12:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Why split it? They're the exact same NPC.--§ Eloc § 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

'I agree with the merge of the two articles and make it available for all the Halloween/Mad King articles.--Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 11:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Two (or three) versions of the same article are only going to confuse people. Surely there is enough redundancy to just add a note like "applies only to 20XX" where appropiate?

Or just add a sticker at the beginning that dialogue and whatnot might vary. I doubt ANet will really change that much, would be needless work for them.-- Cyberman 15:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] When does the Mad King "see you"?

I noticed in LA that the King gives Presents/Kills you as long as you are on the circle of these mysterious green flowers. Lets say, you stand some feet behind him, next to the witch's cauldron, he wont interact with you. if you stand at the edge of the flower-circle at the stairs, he will. In Kamadan, he will still see you if you are a bit outside of the "flower cycle". About the middle between the stairs and the nearest flower is enough to still be able to play his games. Well i dunno if this was a bug or if i was just to slow, but when i stood in kamadan at this place, i died immediatly after having entered the commands at the "Mad King Says" part. —ZerphaThe Improver 14:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I have all the masks from Halloween 2007 now. and will the other masks from the past able to get later?

No sorry, you have never been able to get masks from events you were not present at at the time. --Lemming 17:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it's a shame. I trashed my masks from first two Halloweens and first Wintersday because I ran out of storage space then now they introduced that NPC hat maker. Ah well, c'est la vie Barinthus 19:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Revision at 2007 page

After visiting the King again and taking more complete screenshots, I am satisifed that the overall script is pretty much the same with some minor differences. This page does need to be edited big time although. I've came up with a proposed revision for 2005, 2006, and 2007 visits by the Mad King - see it at [Revision]. If the community approves, it can be simply moved over to this. Main points here are to differinate dialogues from LA and Kamadan along with changes in scripts over the year along with rewards given out. Tanetris - since you say you have screenshots from 2005, go ahead and edit that in.

If a dialogue section is exact same over three Halloween we can just remove years from the subheading. If a section is particular to 2006 and 2007 (due to Kamadan/LA dialogues or whatever), we can just label as 2006 & 2007 or Post 2006 or whatever.

Anyway I am done here - I present my revision for the community to look at, consider, accept, edit, or flat-out reject. Barinthus 20:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad formatting here - here's the revision at the right address [[1]] Barinthus 04:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with keeping everything on same page but the way the current page is set up, it's misleading. Every Halloween isn't exactly the same. Every year there are something new and different dialogues. I even have to wonder if people even bothered to compare this with the one I set up. *shrug* Barinthus 06:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I believe having 2 separate pages for this NPC is redundant and unnecessary. I would propose that the yearly dialog be maintained together (2005 dialogue/2006 dialogue/2007 dialogue), rather than split into the various subheadings and possibly even as subpages as this page is going to get very long otherwise. I would prefer it keep the Mad King Thorn name, rather than adding the year. -- Wyn 11:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yup :) i mean...I agree. --Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 11:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something like User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/Mad_King_Thorn -- Wyn 13:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Perfect! (to me anyways).--Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 16:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)