Talk:Mad King Thorn

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Well, I was thinking about leaving this out, but it's amusing *patpats Gaile's talk page*. There are rumors that Gaile dated Mad King Thorn :o. And his real name is Mad King Eugene. ~ | Pae - Talk | 23:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Question 2 Men with hats? 3 Time of Appearance 4 2006 & 2007 (& soon 2008) 5 When does the Mad King "see you"? 6 Thanks 7 Massive Revision at 2007 page 8 Merge proposal 9 Deaths 10 List of emotes? 11 New Jokes for 2008 12 Tonic 13 Incorrect Text 14 Repeating Names 15 Mad King's Dialogue if not all Instruments are played 16 What - or who - is he?

[edit] Question

What does he give in the Halloween 2007?

We don't know, no one does, go poke Gaile :P but she won't say anything :P just wait till Wednesday Tomoko 21:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Now known: Mummy Mask in Kamadan and Scarecrow Mask in Lion's Arch. --Thervold 08:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Men with hats?

Wasnt The Safety Dance done by Tears for Fears? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.158.120.195 .

No. Click the Wikipedia link right in the trivia note, or google it. - Tanetris 08:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

lol doesnt the name give it away. the whole hat thing

[edit] Time of Appearance

How long will he be in the city (in minutes/hours)?

For around 30 minutes. BlazeRick 05:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 & 2007 (& soon 2008)

This page has information from 2006 Halloween and 2007 Halloween mixed. Therefore it is corrupted. I have two proposals. First one is to make it so when players search for Mad King, they come to page asking them to choose - Mad King 2005, Mad King 2006, and Mad King 2007. Each page will have appropriate information for that Halloween such as what prizes you get and what dialogue was used.

Or if it is determined that differences are minor such as it's just joke dialogues and hats/masks that are different then we catorgize such on pages - for example Joke Dialogue - 2005, Joke Dialogue - 2006, and Joke Dialogue - 2007. The problem is information for 2006 Halloween is incomplete and there are dialogue lines in 2007 I do not recall seeing in 2006 along with several others. Anyway I created 2007 page - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mad_King_Thorn_2007. Barinthus 13:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

lol i loved the paragon joke, dont know why.--Cursed Angel 14:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Would it be too much to have separate sections within the article? Or are there too many dialogue differences? --Lemming 17:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Separate sections would probably work, if the dialogues aren't too different. But currently most of the article refers to 2006 and not much about 2005, some details from this year. - anja 17:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I noticed the main description at the top needs to be updated as it refers to the previous years. I think almost all the jokes are different this year, however for 2005 and 2006 I remember them being fairly similar. --Lemming 17:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm against splitting into different years, because the differences are minor, and can be documneted under subheadings in the proper section of the article, as Lemming suggested. Calor - talk 18:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Right now I suspect dialogues differences are not too great to justify three seperate sections but I want to double-check. Blame it on my history major background if you want but we're taught to not make assumptions with our research. I will visit the Mad King again later today and capture all dialogues this time. However, FYI half of joke dialogues on this page are from 2007 not 2006. Anyway, back to the point, if it is as what I suspected we can just do it all on this page with subheadings such as "Joke Dialogues - 2006" and "Joke Dialogues - 2007." Rewards will have to be differentiated as well since this year we get trick and treat bags and last year people got various items. It's also a shame we don't have 2005 data unless 2005 and 2006 are exact same other than the Kamadan addition? Barinthus 19:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I vote No on splitting the page. It should have separate headings for the different dialogues --Primeval Sentinel Talk

One other thing to consider is that most of dialogues were added to this page after the initial appearance of Mad King for the current Halloween so how do we know those pertains to 2007 or 2006 or both? The whole thing is corrupted. The only proper thing to do is to revert to the version it was before the first appearance of the King for 2007 and edit in 2007 information. Then after that, the community can look at 2007 dialogues and determine whether if they were the same for 2006 (tedious at best unless there's evidence somewhere else) or leave 2006 information as it was before the edits made after the first appearance. Barinthus 03:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as the person who added in that massive bunch of dialogue, it's from the 2007 version. LA, specifically. I'll also note that the dance dialogue, at least, is exactly the same as the screenshot I have of it from 2005. I've attended all 3 Halloween events and, aside from the jokes, I'm quite confident that none of the dialogue this year was new. I see no reason to split the article. A subpage for retired jokes, maybe, but there are more differences between LA and Kamadan dialogues than there is from year to year. - Tanetris 12:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Why split it? They're the exact same NPC.--§ Eloc § 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

'I agree with the merge of the two articles and make it available for all the Halloween/Mad King articles.--Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 11:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Two (or three) versions of the same article are only going to confuse people. Surely there is enough redundancy to just add a note like "applies only to 20XX" where appropiate?

Or just add a sticker at the beginning that dialogue and whatnot might vary. I doubt ANet will really change that much, would be needless work for them.-- Cyberman 15:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] When does the Mad King "see you"?

I noticed in LA that the King gives Presents/Kills you as long as you are on the circle of these mysterious green flowers. Lets say, you stand some feet behind him, next to the witch's cauldron, he wont interact with you. if you stand at the edge of the flower-circle at the stairs, he will. In Kamadan, he will still see you if you are a bit outside of the "flower cycle". About the middle between the stairs and the nearest flower is enough to still be able to play his games. Well i dunno if this was a bug or if i was just to slow, but when i stood in kamadan at this place, i died immediatly after having entered the commands at the "Mad King Says" part. —ZerphaThe Improver 14:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I have all the masks from Halloween 2007 now. and will the other masks from the past able to get later?

No sorry, you have never been able to get masks from events you were not present at at the time. --Lemming 17:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it's a shame. I trashed my masks from first two Halloweens and first Wintersday because I ran out of storage space then now they introduced that NPC hat maker. Ah well, c'est la vie Barinthus 19:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Revision at 2007 page

After visiting the King again and taking more complete screenshots, I am satisifed that the overall script is pretty much the same with some minor differences. This page does need to be edited big time although. I've came up with a proposed revision for 2005, 2006, and 2007 visits by the Mad King - see it at [Revision]. If the community approves, it can be simply moved over to this. Main points here are to differinate dialogues from LA and Kamadan along with changes in scripts over the year along with rewards given out. Tanetris - since you say you have screenshots from 2005, go ahead and edit that in.

If a dialogue section is exact same over three Halloween we can just remove years from the subheading. If a section is particular to 2006 and 2007 (due to Kamadan/LA dialogues or whatever), we can just label as 2006 & 2007 or Post 2006 or whatever.

Anyway I am done here - I present my revision for the community to look at, consider, accept, edit, or flat-out reject. Barinthus 20:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad formatting here - here's the revision at the right address [[1]] Barinthus 04:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with keeping everything on same page but the way the current page is set up, it's misleading. Every Halloween isn't exactly the same. Every year there are something new and different dialogues. I even have to wonder if people even bothered to compare this with the one I set up. *shrug* Barinthus 06:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I believe having 2 separate pages for this NPC is redundant and unnecessary. I would propose that the yearly dialog be maintained together (2005 dialogue/2006 dialogue/2007 dialogue), rather than split into the various subheadings and possibly even as subpages as this page is going to get very long otherwise. I would prefer it keep the Mad King Thorn name, rather than adding the year. -- Wyn 11:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yup :) i mean...I agree. --Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 11:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something like User:Wynthyst/Sandbox/Mad_King_Thorn -- Wyn 13:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Perfect! (to me anyways).--Silverleaf Don't assume, ask! 16:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge, it's pointless having multiple pages for the same NPC when all the information can easily be shown on one page. Draco 23:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If something is to be separated, it's the quotes. IF they keep chaning every year, they could be in a "Mad King Thorn/Quotes 2007" style. MithTalk 10:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

My position remains the same as it was last year. The only dialogue change was that he got a few new GWEN-related jokes in 2007. Otherwise, it's all been the same since Halloween 2005. - Tanetris 10:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

so the consensus appears to be merger. someone wanna go ahead and do it? --VVong|BA 04:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deaths

Do deaths stop progress in Survivor title ? Note about this please if anyone dares try.Farlong 02:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

No it won't. It's a fact that deaths in an outpost (and all non-instanced areas) will not incur you any death. But personally, I'm really paranoid for my survivors so I won't take any risks, in case of a bug. -- ab.er.rant 02:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

What about... can you get the hat even though you didn't do anything? -- Halogod35 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes you can. I often just afk (sorry) while I'm at school and leave my character sitting in the circle and I come home to several hats sitting in my inventory. --Shinigami King 22:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of emotes?

Can someone post a list of emotes? that would be nice. 24.20.13.213 03:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• /point - Character points.
• /wave - Character waves.
• /cheer - Character cheers.
• /jump - Character jumps.
• /bow - Character bows.
• /moan - Character moans.
• /roar - Character roars.
• /salute - Character salutes.
• /laugh - Character laughs heartily.
• /beckon - Character beckons.
• /dance - Character starts dancing.
• /sit or /afk - No message, you'll just sit.
• /kneel - Character kneels.
• /fistshake - Character shakes a fist angrily.
• /shoo - Character shoos you away.
• /yes - Character says, "yes."
• /no - Character says, "no."
• /doh - Character smacks his head. Doh!
• /agree - Character agrees.
• /bowhead - Character bows (his/her) head.
• /sigh - Character sighs.
• /bored - Character is bored.
• /yawn - Character yawns.
• /pout - Character pouts.
• /ponder - Character ponders the situation.
• /clap - Character claps.
• /cough - Character coughs.
• /congrats or /grats - Character offers congratulations.
• /chest - Character butts chests with you.
• /goteam - Character cheers wildly, "Go team!"
• /highfive - Character says, "High five!"
• /pickme - Character says, "Pick me!"
• /help - Character requests help!
• /catchbreath or /breath - Character stops to catch (his/her) breath.
• /guitar - Character plays a mean air guitar.
• /violin - Character plays the violin sadly.
• /drums - Character plays the drums.
• /flute - Character plays the flute.
• /flex - Character flexes.
• /taunt or /rude - Character taunts you.
• /doubletake - Character does a double take.
• /attention - Character comes to attention!
• /sorry - Character apologizes.
• /boo - Character scares you!
• /ready - Character is ready for action.
• /fame or /rank - Makes you do a gesture and conjures up a shiny deer head, very fancy but requires you to have at least a rank of 3, which requires 180 fame
• /rock or /paper or /scissors - Character plays rock, paper, scissors.

-- Halogod35 03:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Or see the Emote page. -- Wandering Traveler 03:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

oh. -- Halogod35 03:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Jokes for 2008

I only managed to get a screenie of one of them

"What's the difference between someone who doesn't laugh at my jokes and a corpse?"

"I don't know either!"

Thats the one i got... the other i was there for (but emote spam pushed it off my screen too fast) was something Like

"I know you're all looking for information about the future. Well I'm gonna tell you something...In 200 years... You're all dead!"

If someone feels like adding the first joke to the article and finding the actual words for the second one id say go right ahead Mashav 05:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

If you dont like emote spam turn it off? Makes sense doesnt it.

[edit] Tonic

And anet didn't make a Mad King tonic why?Daeheru 01:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

There can be only one. (95.109.102.252 02:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Incorrect Text

He calls everyone Elonians several times, even if he is in LA. Just throwing that out there. Karate Jesus 07:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

He uses the Kamadan texts for both cities. Karate Jesus 07:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Noticed that too. Frickin hilarious. 76.103.242.232 07:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's hard for him to see where he is. After all, he HAS A PUMPKIN ON HIS HEAD. -- Hong 12:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

^lol'd - Wuhy 14:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

He's supposed to have different text for each city. Ramei Arashi 16:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Repeating Names

When Thorn calls on an individual to play RPS with him, he will occasionally (happened twice in one visit, once in another) call the same name. Meaning he calls their name, then goes on to beg, laugh, etc., and when he returns to RPS he will call a previous contestant again. Is it simply because they failed, or some weird bug? And also, since I have been asked by more than one person, does /pickme make it more likely to be called? - Vik 03:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think /pickme influences it as I have been picked a total of 3 times this Halloween without using that emote at all in active districts. In the first two occurrences I was picked back-to-back, he picked me once and then right after I tied him in the rock-paper-scissors match he picked me again, even though I was in an active district. --Silver Edge 08:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mad King's Dialogue if not all Instruments are played

Hey, I was in a mostly inactive district, and I noticed this dialogue when the Mad King asked us to play instruments: "Where are the GUITARS? Don't you know you can't choose a better instrument? YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED!"

After that, he killed everyone. I imagine that the GUITARS part is replaced with whatever instrument that is not played or whatever. I can provide a screenshot if requested.

Swordfish56 07:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Added to dialogue page. Swordfish56 17:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What - or who - is he?

In the Halloween quests this year, he gives us temporary control of creatures in the Underworld - creatures usually controlled by Dhuum. But if he is so powerful that even invoking his name makes evil monsters bow their heads, he could very well be a god, also since he even has his own realm. I mean, mere ghosts usually don't have the power to kill persons by thought alone, as he does when his crowd fails his emotes. Paddymew 20:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)