Talk:Shiro Tagachi

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[edit] Spoiler Warning

Isn't saying this is a spoiler for Factions and Nightfall a spoiler in itself? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.194.219.205 (talk).

Some people choose not to read spoilers. Myself included. (Unless of course, I already know it.) MiraLantis 03:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page correction

Assassin Assassin? O_o.. surely that isn't right? --Jamie 03:56, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

It's the icon and then profession name when switched over to the new template that causes problems. - Anja Astor 04:02, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I just fixed that now. Should be fine. --Santax 04:03, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Assassin?

I took the liberty of changing Shiro's profession to Special seeing as how it is unestablished whether he is an assassin or warrior or ritualist or w/e. If anyone has any objections to this please make your thoughts known.--Firecrown 00:12, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

The Shiro talk page on Guildwiki already covers most arguments a user could make, short of actually having someone from ArenaNet come and chime in. At the moment, he's "Special" there, too (which is, I admit, something I was pushing for specifically to get rid of the speculation). — 130.58 (talk) 03:56, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

I actually don't have a problem labeling him as something other than "special" if we do it consistently. Like, if we have a global standard of labeling things based on archetype. But the thing that happened when people said "Yeah, he's an Assassin because his skills are maybe kinda like Assassin skills" is that Kuunavang ended up being an E/R (on account of using lightning stuff and preparations) and the absurdity just increased from there, and then there was a big argument about Shiro being A, A/W, W/A, A/Rt, or W/A/Rt. So, if we are going to label him as something, I'd really like it to be based on archetype (which is how the lich is a "necromancer" and Kuunavang is an "elementalist") rather than based on his specific abilities. Based on archetype, of course, Shiro's just a warrior. Or he can just keep being "Special" along with Kuunavang, Glint, and the Lich, since they do use non-standard abilities. Anyway, I'm not trying to restart the Guildwiki debate over here. I just want to have a system for labeling special creatures that's actually consistent across the whole bestiary, however it's done. — 130.58 (talk) 04:15, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

First of all, his skills are not "maybe kinda like Assassin skills". They are Assassin skill types. And secondly, the Undead Lich uses a Necromancer skill. --Santax 03:56, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

This discussion can end very quickly once you decide what "profession" in the skill box refers to: The "profession" of normal language (teacher, tailor, assassin) or the "profession" as guild wars class (warrior, mesmer, assassin). He is definitely not an assassin in the later view, but might be one on the former (though I would go with bodyguard there personally, seeing how he never really "worked" after killing the emperor). --Xeeron 13:31, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Yeah. That's the question I was alluding to. You just have to apply it consistently. I would just label all the creatures that are more special than bosses as, well, just "special," because that communicates their game-mechanical status (they get unique abilities, aren't bosses you can cap from, &c.). — 130.58 (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

As far as I'm aware, we label Guild Wars NPC's on this Guild Wars wiki by their Guild Wars profession. But seriously, here are the points that I made on the GuildWiki talk page:

He shadow steps. Assassins are the only class that can do this. Necrmancers and elementalists can teleport, but that is completely different to shadow stepping.
He double-strikes. Assassins are the only class that can do this.
He has two blades. Assassins are the only profession that can dual-wield. After killing him, you can either choose both blades or one. Just because you can choose to wield one of his blades does not make him a warrior. Don't you think he'd have a shield, an axe or a hamnmer too?
The fact that he uses the same character model of a warrior is irrelevant. In fact, there's a possibility that he uses the same model as a ranger - you'd have to see an emote to tell. Morgahn uses a warrior model, Eve an ele, Mhenlo a ranger and all Am Fah Assassins use the ranger model. It's simply the way he was designed.
It is explicitly stated in the PRIMA guide on more than one occasion that he is an assassin. Seriously, guys, the PRIMA guide is cited in the manual and is a reccomended buy. Your argument is that the guide is innacurate, but actually it was just based on preliminary information and out-of-date before the game was released. Any lore contained in it is considered canonical. --Santax 16:21, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

His Guild Wars professions is "doesn't have one," as evidenced by the fact that he has completely custom abilities and is outside of the usual system for statting up monsters within the game. You can talk about what professions he most resembles and therefore might be categorized as, in which case those arguments are fine, but to say that Shiro actually has a game-mechanical profession is meaningless. This is why I'm insisting that there be a specific rule for unique creatures across the board, either based on "let's all speculate based on similarities to other, non-unique creatures" or "let's just label them as unique creatures." Better to do one or the other than to have it all be inconsistent like Guildwiki.

And, if that's the case, the yardstick is the easiest unique creature to typecast (the Lich) vs. the hardest (probably Glint or Abaddon). If you want to say "Shiro is an assassin," the real argument is "Glint should be called a ... on her page." If you want to say "Shiro is special," the real argument is "We should label the Lich as a special character despite his necro skills." — 130.58 (talk) 02:14, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Except Glint's profession isn't explicitly stated or even mentioned in any official sources, multiple times. From the Guild Wars Factions Official Guidebook, written by ArenaNet staff, it says about the Assassin:

"The Assassin profession was a natural outgrowth of a culture divided between nobility and the common folk for as long as any in Cantha can remember. Assassins originally fitted a simple need for Canthan nobles - the ability to quickly eliminate a single rival or enemy, with a minimum of fuss or bother on the part of said nobles. Assassins were and are hired or (more often) kept on retainer for this very purpose even today."

Do you think shiro drops an elite assassin tome if you solo him in hard mode?

"As the ranks of the nobility grew, most Assassins were required to keep up with demand, and they soon began to organize into their own unions and guilds to ensure fair payment for the Assassin and to establish rules and regulations that govern the profession's work. Eventually these organizations became self-perpetuating, and now few Assassins work for only one client. Those who have - including, according to the histories, the Betrayer called Shiro Tagachi - are usually employed as bodyguards to the most powerful Canthans."

There are also more mentions:

"The emperor's bodyguard, a talented young Assassin named Shiro Tagachi who could trace his family back to Kaineng Tah's concubines..."

"A master of the Assassin's disciplines, Shiro was the Emperor Angsiyan's bodyguard..."

"... no Assassin in Cantha was unaware that one of their discipline protected the divine ruler of the empire..."

I don't think you can really refute the claim that he is an Assassin :/ --Santax 03:56, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

I dont think that what the manual says has any relevance here. He uses no assassin skills and just because he does things only assassins can do doesn't necessarily mean he is one. The Lich is a necromancer because he actually uses necromancer skills. Shiro however uses unique skills that no profession uses so he is not any of them. That he uses two SWORDS says that he was just really strong. Assassins use daggers. Not swords. Shiro wields two swords as can be seen in the preview cinematic. So to sum up, he doesn't use assassin skills or assassin weapons, nor does he use skills and weapons from any profession meaning that he is in fact special and not any playable profession. End of story.--Firecrown 12:40, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

In that case, what professions are Prophet Varesh and Commander Varesh? Your logic is flawed. And I think the official guide does have some relevance here, as it specifically states Shiro's profession multiple times. To say it doesn't have any relevance would be saying that it isn't anything to do with the game. --Santax 10:43, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Idk about Commander Varesh, probably a para since Enemies Must Die! affects all allies, but Prophet Varesh is a dervish. Think about it, Varesh uses a scythe, she uses enchantment collapse, earth vortex. In the guild wars nightfall manuscript, it clearly states that Wind Prayers deal cold damage, since Frost Vortex deals cold damage. I'd say Prophet Varesh is a Dervish/Necromancer.Ace 03:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Santax, I think I *can* refute the claim that he is an Assassin, actually, depending on what the criterion for labeling something with a profession here is. You're arguing that special monsters still deserve profession labels, despite the fact that they have a lot of game-mechanical ambiguity. Which is why Commander Varesh is a Paragon, for example. I'm inclined to agree. The reason I agree is that ANet is pretty transparently taking a less essentialist stance with regard to skills and professions these days (note the huge growth in non-profession-specific skills and plans to add even more). This would make Shiro an Assassin because he is most like an Assassin, despite lacking some features of the profession and having features of others. So, if we define professions loosely (I think we should), he's an Assassin. If we define them tightly, he's "Special." — 130.58 (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

has anyone tried pm'ing shiro and ask him for yourself? just a thought, but add him to friends list, pm him, and ask. simple.

I pm'd him, he said hes actually a monk. And he told me to tell you guys to quit killing him constantly,said hes tired of asking for a rez. 216.119.178.127 18:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Shiro's a special class. Shadowsteps exist for elementalists too, so shadowsteps aren't a valid point. Character model looks like X is never a good point to make. The fact that a manual says something is hardly a good point, as many things in a manual stay the same even as the game changes (WoW and GW being my two best examples). In the end, I think taking a look at the fact that he's simply entirely different than any playable profession in guild wars suggests that he is in fact, "Special". The end.72.161.115.13 05:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

He's called an assassin in multiple instances, he wields daggers, he double-strikes, he shadow steps, he bows to a team of 8 assassins. He's an assassin.

Actually, he could be a W/A if not for the fact that he can crit a lot with his attacks. Higher ranks in dagger mastery allows double-striking, but it doesn't allow higher crit chance. Also the part about him bowing to a party of 8 sins, since he respects them. To an assassin, using blinding powder is fighting honorably. Paddymew 05:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Critical Strikes. King Neoterikos 06:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Without that, you can't crit with daggers. Paddymew 12:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Please read Critical#Scoring a critical hit. – Emmett 12:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Retcon: Without that, you don't crit as often with daggers as Shiro does, even if your target is 11 levels below you. Paddymew 13:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why is it written in PoV style?

Seriously why is it written in PoV style? Also it says spoilers while it obviously isn't a bigger spoiler than the handbook that arrives with GW. Sith talk 08:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, has been in since the first edit. Maybe it is text taken from somewhere else? Anyway, this is a wiki: If you dont like it, edit it =) --Xeeron 09:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is an assassin

In hard mode he drops elite assassin tomes. (only sin bosses can do this) Therefor he is an assassin boss. If this is not true, anet has completely disregared any form or standard for any npc when they made him. --Lou-Saydus 18:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assassin without assassin skills

If you have the guide book u can see that Chkkr Locust Lord is an assassin but have cry of frustration - wich is a mesmer skill - on. That means that shiro is an assassin but just have some different skills and weapons! xD

I'm assuming you are referring to the Prima guide? It is so full of wrong and outdated information that it isn't worth referencing. -

HeWhoIsPale 16:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banashing

When Shiro banishes it's annoying coz a shiro'ken comes and adds to shiro's dmg, i don't know, but, if the banished person gets to the top of the island thing and comes back does the shiro'ken die?

Yeah they die. But a faster way is to focus fire on the shiro'ken the moment it gets up. This will also get you back your party member. - Damadmoo 19:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

and morale bost so Celest' skills come back Zachariah Zuan. 15:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Apropos of nothing

... "Taste my twin blades of torment, bay-bee!" would be an interesting pickup line. -- Hong 14:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

so he has dual genitals? Zachariah Zuan 10:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

He also uses Impossible Odds. Paddymew 12:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shiro

→ moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

So i was fighting shiro with heros and henchies, when he started banishing them.. the wiki page says he doesnt banish when you're alone, but he certainly did, and they lack the AI to get back 24.141.45.72 04:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Shiro doesn't banish heroes, but he does banish henchmen. (Why is this on Gaile's talk page?) -- Hong 04:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hong, I was wondering the same myself! Maybe our friend, User 24.141.45.72 will kindly move this to Shiro's page? -- Gaile

04:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Gaile is Omniscient is she not ? :P 124.176.99.176 07:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I wish she was...she does a good job of giving us information :) ...but unfortunately, in cases like these she only knows what the devs tell her, and her own speculations. At least, that's what I understand from previous instances. Silver40596

[edit] Shiro IS an Asassin. PROVEN

I just happened to notice after I read the above articles, I went back to the Previous page about Shiro's information. When I went to the bottom of the page and it was classified as an Asassin, just go to the bottom and read it yourself.

[edit] Spoilers?

There really isn't much 'spoiler' info on this page. Also, a link to the CGI Factions movie could be appropriate (and awesome). — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 17:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not that powerful for an end-game boss...

They should have maken him more powerful, people (and myself) solo him with assas in both NM and HM, and when 8 ppl are fighting him it's even easier. Ninjas In The Sky 10:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not 'even easier'. Shiro is hard for most classes. Just because one class can solo him doesn't make him easy. Silavor

23:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Most classes could solo Shiro, given the right build, apart from maybe Monks and possibly Paragons. Warriors can simply buff there health up so that they've got 1'001 and then take some high damage skill, Rangers use touch skills or a pet build, Necros can SS him, Mesmers... DeGen, but they'd have to have some srt of skill to heal, Eles - well, just use overpowerd AoE skills and stuff like starburst, Assassins - Build already made, Ritualist could spirit him, although you might have some difficulty there, Dervishes simply need to bring one of the Avatars. Al Dente 19:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

FAILFAILFAIIIIL. meditation of the reaper laugh at you. and so does shiro's life restorationOni 16:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Um, could you make some sense please? Thank you. --Star Weaver 16:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

From what I gathered, he's saying that the idea that most classes could solo Shiro is stupid. Meditation of the reaper would keep that from happening in SS's (Dunno the proper way to make that possessive...) case, eles have nearly no armor, so they'd fold like a cheap table in a few hits, the spirit idea MIGHT work, but once Shiro started attacking the rit, it'd be over, the Dervish idea.. Well, the avatars aren't quite that strong my friend. The ranger idea, well it would work if it wasn't for that nasty degen and meditation of the reaper. The warrior idea wouldn't leave enough skill room to deal enough damage to Shiro before he'd kill you as well. Now, I may be wrong, but it DOES look like this to me. Chiyu! 13:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

You do know that Meditation of the Reaper has (Or used to have) a range, don't you? That problem is now gone. Now every class can go without fear of him. You might need a stance ending attack aswell though, for Battle Scars. Ele's have this skill called Ward against Melee and Magnetic Aura. There is a way with the Rt to 'cheat' per se, but you may need another person in your party, but they could just be like a walking corpse. Avatar of Dwayna heals you on attack. Warriors, ok agreed, they might have problems but still, MOST classes could solo him. Especcially in HM, he seems to be easier then... Al Dente

If you throw in another person (the "walking corpse"), he can banish either of them. --RoyHarmon 02:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] He IS a Sin

Let's be honest, the Manusscripts say it. He wields daggers. There is a weapon called 'Shiro's Blades', which are daggers. Just because he doesn't use any assa skills, he still is one.. Koen 09:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

+ He doublestrikes. Koen 09:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Everyone can use daggers, and there is a sword called Shiro's blade or something like that... 68.78.64.125 22:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Everyone can use swords. Zenikoetsu 07:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Not an assassin. Dual striking can be done by anyone in the game wielding a dagger like weapon (or even Sai which are not weapons.) What you think are "daggers" he's wielding are actually swords, reguardless of what the game calls them. Anyone who's got basic fifth grade reading skills can read up on what real Butterfly Swords are, and then look at the Butterfly Sword in the game and see a very, very big difference. Manuscripts call him an assassin, which is by definition, a professional killer. My ranger's a professional killer. Kills humanoids for money and reputation, kills white mantle, and charr leaders to further his own agenda... that's very assassin-like. By the logic there, Everyone in this game that's done a few quests is in fact, an assassin.72.161.115.13 06:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

He drops sin tomes in hard mode. That's enough evidence for me.198.37.19.137 20:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Easy Kill for Elementalist

Echo

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For this mission, get all 'punching bobs' like warrior dervish. Or get more ppl who shouldnt make a move. Only elementalist do the hard work.

Get Celestial Storm from kuunavang as soon as mission start. Then run quickly to trigger cinematic.

After the cinematic, call or flag all your punching bobs before the stairs. Activate Arcane Echo, Echo, Celestial Storm, AE, Echo and arcane again! If someone has banished, a bound spirit will spawn under the storm which nearly killed instantly. After it, celestial charges all recharge... call the 3 Celestial storms again!

Intensity, paininverter and finish him are only needed if you want to get faster shiro killed. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:RoyHarmon (talk).

That is all well and good if your ele has gotten all three pve skills you have on that bar. Chances are very good however that an ele getting to Imperial Sanctum for the first time hasn't. --

Wyn 03:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I have now updated my build... replace Finish him off with By ural's hammer and add the 2 attacks wastrel worry and a run skill into. I manage to do it NM and HM in 70 seconds.

Echo

[edit] "Shiro cannot be knocked down"

apparently he can. 144.118.194.45 17:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I use hammer attacks on him all the time. I never noticed that note xD -- Halogod35

17:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New(?) Bug

For the first time since Factions came out (and at least a few dozen Shiro kills) I had him go into Meditation of the Reaper and not come out for the rest of the fight. Anyone else noticed this happening recently or is this just an old undocumented rare bug? 98.219.48.111 15:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I do Shiro once ina while for testing stuff or helping friends. I do it about 10 times a week, and have been playing for 2.9 years, and have had this bug once. Don't worry about it, it's just a rare bug. --'DAVA 16:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I noticed it today i posted it on the page of medition becouse i forgot about the talk but the strange thing is tht he takes dmg

[edit] Impossible Odds

I'm surprised nobody has posted complaints on how cheap this skill is.Herculeehz 20:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

the only "Cheap" skill is meditation of the reaper...

[edit] Trivia?

Think it's worth adding a trivia section and mentioning that he's (probably) based on Shakespeare's Macbeth? My reasoning:

Began as a loyal servant to his country's leader.
Met an ugly old fortune-teller/witch, who gave a few predictions about his future. Though sceptical at first, he realised she was on to something when the first prediction came true.
Went crazy contemplating the witch's predictions, culminating in his murder of the emperor.
Proceeded to go even more batshit crazy.

Admittedly, Shiro's story is cooler than Macbeth's, because [SPOILERS AHOY] whereas Macbeth ascends to the throne and ends up defeated at the hands of his friend, Shiro is instantly murdered and exacts revenge on his three assassins by turning everything within a 30-mile radius to stone. So awesome. --Mme. Donelle 22:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I've read and analyzed Macbeth but it didn't hop in my mind when playing Factions. I'd have to disagree.--

anguard 22:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Really? I've studied it in detail too and the similarity struck me instantly. :/ The basic concept of the story seemed to be that Macbeth began as a good person and was corrupted by the witches, causing him to murder the king, go crazy, and suffer a tragic end; the exact same thing happens to Shiro. The endings themselves are different, though they share tragicness, but the beginnings are almost identical. --Mme. Donelle 22:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

We could just ask Arena Net. Erasculio 23:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Come now. As wiki users, it is our sworn duty to find as much non-existant trivia in the game as possible. (That, and I've already demanded the answer to one unimportant question this month.) --Mme. Donelle 00:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Too many radical differences. Entirely different continent, style, execution. Comparing fantasy with other fantasies is never a good idea, there will be parallels wherever you go and there's no real need to list every single one of them. If this one was intended, it's way too subtle and ultimately irrelevant.--

anguard 00:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, my point is, it didn't seem subtle to me: as soon as I saw the cutscene in which Shiro talks to the fortune teller, I thought of Macbeth. By the time we saw him kill the emperor I was thinking "this is such a ripoff". That it's set in a different continent is irrelevant: the plot is still the same. (Compare West Side Story with Romeo and Juliet: totally different style, continent, and execution, yet it's clearly the same tale.) I honestly think this was an intentional reference. --Mme. Donelle 01:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I should point out that when I say "ripoff", I'm not being accusatory -- Shiro's story is certainly different enough from Macbeth's that it doesn't come close to being a literal ripoff; but it's still close enough that I'll be surprised if Shakespeare's famous work didn't influence the writers who worked on Factions. It could still be a coincidence, I guess, but... it's a really famous work. --Mme. Donelle 02:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can be knocked down

Shiro can be knocked down by hammer atacks like backbreaker.The duration of the KD is very short but backbreaker(normaly 4 sec) knockdowns for more that usuall knockdown skills screenshots: [1] & [2] these 2 above were NOT taken when shiro was in meditation(there is no dmg by meditation on the left side ) it can be still knocked down in meditation with hammer skills. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Hack (talk). btw sry to the admins i forget i could add this first on talk and not on the offical page

I just did some quick tests on him using Earthbind, Earthshaker, Backbreaker and Wastrel's Collapse, all with 0, 1, 2 and 3 Stonefist Insignias (usind Earthbind only with 0 and 1 Insignia). With Earthbind every Knockdown worked and lasted for 3 seconds (I counted the seconds, though I never play warrior and thus am not very experienced with knockdowns). With any Stonefist Insignias und no Earthbind the Knockdown worked but only lasted for 1 second, the count of the insignias didn't matter. With no Earthbind and no Insignia no knockdown worked for me (not even Backbreaker). So I think that Shiro is immune to any knockdowns but this immunity doesn't prevent knockdown-duration-bonuses. Bernado 22:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, Stonefist insignias don't stack. Vili 点

22:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, I just tested it for the sake of completeness, as it could be, though not very likely, that they stacked, when used against Shiro (never trust the ingame discription). Just took about 30 seconds anyway - faster than checking, if anybody tested, if they stacked with a knockdown that lasts less than 2 seconds. Bernado 22:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

They don't stack.

Ryuu - talk 22:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Some more test on Meditation of the Reaper: Nothing changes, but knockdowns end the meditation as soon as Shiro gets up. 2 out of 8 runs he after that visually remained in the meditation for the rest of the fight, took damage, but didn't fight back. Also I changed the note in the article. Bernado 08:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Interrupting Impossible Odds

The article states that Impossible odds is non interruptable, but while doing Gate of Madness last night i clearly interrupted it, but whenever i fight Shiro in Factions, it never seems to get interrupted, would it be logical then to assume that though it is interruptable in NF, it is not in Factions? --Xenktray 15:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Asuming your observations are correct, yes it would be logical to assume that. The amount of logic needed for that, however, is quite common in a 4 year old child. Maybe you were asking for someone to reproduce your findings? -Woopdeedoo 17:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

He could also be asking others if they had anything to add to this before it gets page'd. Paddymew 04:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Uh what..

It could be just that i'm slow but I fail to see how shiro became such a badass.. I mean he killed the emperor because he honestly believed that the emperor was going to kill him... Now suddenly he's the uber evil villain trying to achieve world domination =\ --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: 116.14.30.170 (talk).

I'm assuming you haven't played Nightfall. That game answered the question in a few side quests on the side. I won't bring spoilers to this discussion though. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 07:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

This question equals questioning the motivation of every single enemy you fight in the game. Pretty unneccesary... Paddymew 15:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Highest Level Enemy?

Is Hard Mode Shiro the highest level enemy in the game at level 33? All the other endgame bosses (Lich, Destroyer, Abbadon) are 32 in Hard Mode as are some other enemies, for instance in the underworld, but I can't think of any which make it to 33.

In Normal Mode, Shiro and Glint are the highest two. In Hard Mode, Shiro alone holds that title. Actually... come to think of it, do R.O.X., P.O.X., and N.O.X. have HM levels? -checks their wiki pages- Hmmm, only R.O.X. lists a HM level, which is listed at level 29. Which I find unlikely for no level change between NM and HM. Either way, they are not near one of the highest NM levels so I doubt they would match Shiro in HM level. So yes, Shiro is the singular highest leveled enemy in the game. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 01:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

A pointless nugget of information. Sounds perfect for the trivia section. ;) Does Glint not change level between nm & hm then?

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Drogo Boffin 00:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why is Shiro an Envoy?

I've always wondered: how is it that the once-bodyguard-turned-slayer of the 26th Emperor of Cantha ... whose very cry turned the forest to stone and the sea to jade ... how is it that he is an Envoy? (In the end cinematic of Vizunah Square, Emissary Heleyne says "He's shirking his responsibility as an envoy.") Wouldn't being an Envoy be some sort of privilege? In mortal life, Shiro was corrupted, right? I just cannot connect how the most evil of souls is granted the tremendous power of being an Envoy. And if the status of being an envoy is revocable (as was apparently the case with Shiro upon his second slaying), why would it not have been revoked the moment he was so evil and corrupt as to slay the Emperor? --ZeeWabbit 20:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

From the Envoy article, "From lore, all envoys were once wicked criminals in life, forced by Grenth to serve as soul shepherds as punishment." --

Brains12 \ talk 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well geez, that was too obvious. Thanks. (Seems remarkably dangerous somehow.) --ZeeWabbit 21:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Solo Banishing

I run this mish as an assassin and ever since the June 18 update, Shiro has been randomly banishing me even when no one else was aggroing him. Also, Silent Minority seems to have no effect. The update info said nothing on this. Has anyone else experienced this and can anyone provide information?--Shai Halud 17:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I will go and do the mission solo to check this. You could upload an image for proof, or wait for confirmation. :P -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 04:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That happened to me too Shai Halud.--Bive 19:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I've also had the same problem.

Ryuu - talk 22:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to happen if you kill him fast enough, but only the Ele Rusher build can do this reliably. Still any party with two necros using spoil victor and spiteful spirit will likely defeat shiro hands down.--Shai Halud 14:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Guild Symbol

Is it just me, or does Shiro's guild symbol closely resemble the design for Abaddon's head? I just noticed it while looking at the pages in Night Falls and Shiro's Return. --RoyHarmon 03:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Well Shiro was (indirectly) corrupted by Abaddon, so it could mean something. But I don't know if ANet even thought of Abaddon before concepting Nightfall. Paddymew 07:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks to me more like a claw. —Jette

09:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, a claw with "fingers" that look slightly like Abaddon's hair. Paddymew 22:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Need Hack

I can't kill R.O.X beacauese i am not in a high enough level. Do someone know a hack or something?

oh yeah I remember now R.O.X. is Shiro's creation, you see Shiro isn't the actual Shiro Tagachi, he's an Ausra using holographic technology and he stole R.O.X. from Zinn and now belongs to 'Shiro' Zachariah Zuan. 21:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

what I think Zach is trying to say is... lololol lol, lol oh, and lol. Wrong page. Firoas.

21:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)