Talk:The Norn Fighting Tournament

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Contents 1 Research: opponents and skillbars 1.1 Opponents by round 1.2 Observed opponent orders 1.3 Skill bars 1.4 Little Thom the hamstormer! 1.5 Mhenlo 2 Do Deaths Count? 3 Palawa Joko instead of the bear boss... 4 Devona 5 Healing Spectator 6 Quotes 7 Zehtuka's Horn 8 The Greath Zehtuka - Special dialogue 9 Devona 10 Norgu 11 Timer/Damage Count "Victory"? 12 gwen 13 nika 14 Question 15 Palawa Joko 16 Added Skills 17 Dialogues 18 This is such a great thing... 19 Paragons 20 Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support 21 Rewards?

[edit] Research: opponents and skillbars

I've added my observations so far. -- Gordon Ecker 12:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

And sorted them into tables.

Is there any observation making it reasonable that certain opponents are restricted to certain rounds? I've done the first 5 rounds about 20 times now, and I haven't noticed a pattern on where which opponent is to appear. Cynaes 17:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I stand corrected, sorry :) Guess there were just so many, and I went through so many different opponents that I never thought of set round opponents. Anyway, since I can't make those spiffy tables, here's a list:

• Round 1: Kilroy, Little Thom, Lo Sha, Sogolon, Zehtuka, Kisai (6)
• Round 2: Alesia, Melonni, Norgu, Orion, Old Mac & Joe, Vekk, Xandra (7)
• Round 3: Cynn, Danika & Brutus & Sheena, Lukas, Panaku, Warmaster Tydus, Zho & Onyx (7)
• Round 4: Eve, Headmaster Vhang, Kahmu, Koss, Morgahn, Razah (6)
• Round 5: Argo, Devona, Gwen, Mhenlo, Nika, Talon Silverwing (6)
• Round 6: Magni the Bison

I've never encountered the Ghostly Hero ... can anyone confirm that one? And maybe someone who is able to do tables could rearrange the main page according to the rounds. So instead of a column for "round" just make it: In round 1 you will encounter one of the following (best would be the actual name of the Quest in your Quest Log, to help someone who searches for it finding this page) => table; In round 2 you will encounter one of the following => table; etc.

I think it would be easier to look at than the long table we have now. Opinions?

Cynaes 11:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Me against the ghostly : http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5849/gw572df6.jpg

And if you want to see opponents sorted by round, you just have to click on the grey arrow on the top of the column. No need to create multiple tables. Chriskang 15:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opponents by round

Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5
20 The Great Zehtuka 20 Lo Sha 20 Kisai 20 Sogolon	20 Old Mac and 20 Joe 20 Vekk 20 Xandra	20 Lukas Vasburg 20 Warmaster Tydus 20 Zho and 20 Onyx	20 Headmaster Vhang 20 Razah 20 Kahmu	20 Talon Silverwing 20 Mhenlo 20 Gwen

[edit] Observed opponent orders

• Zehtuka, Xandra, Lukas, Razah, ?
• Sogolon, Vekk, Tydus, ?, ?
• Lo Sha, ?, ?, Kahmu, Mhenlo, magni
• Kisai, ?, ?, Vhang, Talon, magni
• Lo Sha, Xandra, Panaku, Kahmu, ?
• Little Thom, Melonni, Warmaster Titus, Razah, Talon Silverwing, Magni the Bison
• Little Thom, Old Mac & Joe, Cynn, Kahmu, ?
• The Great Zehtuka, Orion, Danika, Brutus and Sheena, Razah, Argo
• zehtuka, orion, Danika sheena and brutus, razah, argo, wacsi
• sogolon, norgu, zho and onyx, koss, devona, magni
• Lo Sha,Xandra,Lukas,Koss,Mhenlo
• Little Thom,Vekk,Zho(Onyx),Morgahn,Argo
• Sogolon,Alesia,Panaku,Razah,Gwen
• Little Thom,Vekk,Cynn,Koss,Argo
• Little Thom, Xandra, Zho, Kahmu, Mhenlo, Magni
• Sogolon,Vekk,Cynn,??

[edit] Skill bars

• 20 Lukas Vasburg - Auspicious Parry, Healing Signet
• 6 - 24 Magni the Bison - bear form, irresistable blow, purge signet, counter blow
• 20 Talon Silverwing - healing signet, enraging charge, dragon slash
• 20 Old Mac - Counterattack
  • 20 Joe - Power Shot
• 20 Little Thom - GoLE, Breath of Fire, Firestorm, Hamstring, Healing Signet
• 20 The Great Zehtuka - smoke trap, fragility, barbed trap, healing spring, whirling defense
• 20 Warmaster Tydus - apply poison, screamisg shot, troll unguent
• 20 Zho 20 - disrupting lunge, counter blow
  • 20 Onyx (pet)
• 20 Mhenlo (round 5) - blessed signet, balthazar's spirit, shield of judgment, healing breeze, symbol of wrath, appears to be a 55
• 20 Mhenlo (round ?) - ?
  • 10 Brutus
  • 10 Sheena
• 20 Lo Sha - mantra of persistence, images of remorse, conjure phantasm, recurring insecurity, ether feast
• 20 Kisai - lightning bolt, glimmering mark
• 20 Headmaster Vhang - air attunement, mind shock, mystic regeneration
• 20 Vekk - Shatterstone, Blurred Vision
• 20 Razah - wanderlust, anguish, bloodsong, pain, shadowsong, doom, boon of creation
• 20 Xandra - vengeful weapon
• 20 Sogolon - "Shields Up!", Mending Refrain
• 20 Kahmu - avatar of blathazar, herat of fury

[edit] Little Thom the hamstormer!

GoLE, Breath of Fire, Fire Storm, Hamstring. Hilarity. --Heelz 12:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Which round was it? Chriskang 13:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

First. --Heelz 18:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mhenlo

Apparently there's two versions of Mhenlo. The 55 Mhenlo I fought in round 5 was on his own. -- Gordon Ecker 14:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

This is probably a mistake by whoever made the table. It is Danika who is with Brutus and Sheena, not Mhenlo. Unfortunately I don't know how to edit those crazy tables. Besides, adding a round-table is clearly useless, as your opponents are chosen randomly. Cynaes 17:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Each round appears to have its own list. -- Gordon Ecker 19:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like there is a pool of 6 for each round. Backsword 20:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mhenlo's skills are not correctly listed. He DOES use Mending. I have never seen him use Breeze, but he might not have needed it... (can't remember my user id)

[edit] Do Deaths Count?

I'm here with my survivor, he's rank 3, but I still don't want him to die so I can't test it. Do deaths count towards the Death Count here? 58.110.140.124 13:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I have just tested for you, and yes, deaths in the Norn Fighting Tournament do count. (I had to lose from Little Thom to get this info, it was hard not to kick his butt :D )Alovich 17:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palawa Joko instead of the bear boss...

I have fought Palawa Joko as the sixth fight once, and he had 2 minions of Joko with him. just defeating one of his minions completed the quest for me. Has anyone else fought him? Nicky Silverstar 20:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm this? I've beaten M. Bison but I still only get him in the sixth round. Backsword 14:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. There are some very rare encounters in the Tournament, but I'll not spoil all of them. John Stumme 22:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Can confirm this too. Had him as last fight.. and only had to beat one minion to win 195.14.201.154 01:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I saw the same thing. I didn't see any of the other "rare encounters" for the final boss, maybe John was reffering to rare encounters throughout the rest of the tournament, but Palawa Jokko was the end boss instead of M. Bison. EDIT: I moved Jokko's entry to round sxe with Magni because I have only heard of him spawning in round 6.Dancing Gnome 15:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no such thing as hiding spoilers in the wiki's, we have spoiler tags for that. BlazeRick 21:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devona

Devona currently has three professions :/ Warrior, assassin and necro skills - anja 13:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Not-uh! I am looking at her species and she only has Warrior and Assassin skills. Screenshot it or it didn't happen! ;) - Linsey talk 00:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Healing Spectator

I was trying to kill Mhenlo last night when I noticed a random +100 healing. After looking around I noticed this:
o_o; Doll 01:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have a few ss's of this. I think it's to make up for providing Mhenlo with a free permanent Protective Spirit. Backsword 13:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Linsey Murdock said it was a bug that they'll fix soon. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I really hope so. This whole thing is complete BS. why would they put healing spectators in at all? All I'm trying to do is get zho so i can get that journal, but it seems like every time the first or second guy just won't freaking die b/c somebody in the audience heals them like crazy. Avatarian86 07:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This often happened to me in the first round. But you (or your opponent) get 180 healing then. They seem to always cast the spell on the closest creature. --numma_cway 11:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Just spotted a Dwarf Spectator with Heal Other He was healing both of us tho.(made the battle a complete standoff.) ~ Zero rogue x 23:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Scourge Healing would be hilarious here. you might be able to kill the spectator... Avatarian86 05:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

And then Necrotic Traversal to their corpse... --- Raptors

...wow, that would be interesting. I'm gonna try that at some point. (didn't log in) Avatarian86

Actually, now that I think about it, it wouldn't work. Scourge Healing can't be put on an ally, and the Healing Spectator is an ally. --- Raptors

I really hope this problem gets fixed. A frustrating game is not a fun game -- which ArenaNet seems to understand, considering that mission-critical NPCs now magically spring back to life, there are res shrines in the dungeons, etc. But every time I come across these healing spectators, it's a restart and 100 gold down the drain, because I'll either lose or get into an impossible standoff. When you're just trying to do something like unlock a hero, it's very frustrating. Bcstingg 21:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed this and it will go into the next Live build. Sorry about this one guys! - Linsey talk 23:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's another one: (this was while fighting Alesia) sry that it's german again, but i think you can identify the icon. And if i didn't look wrong, just this person said something like "can i have an autograph?". pah, betrayer! unfair partial meddling betrayer... Zerpha The Improver 01:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Ms. Murdock! *sob* Thank you!! Avatarian86 03:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Where do we list them? Here, or in the opponents article? There is at least one for the begining of the match, and exactly one for winning and losing.

Then there are the sepctators, who have some generic lines directed at the player, and some specific for certain foes. (Mhenlo is certainly liked...)

Backsword 13:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

For now, you should put them with the other ones, here. But I agree with you, those articles need to be reworked. Chriskang 13:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

As far as the quotes go, I'm hoping to see an epic Trivia section added in. I wrote over a hundred fighting game references, so I'm really curious to see how many people end up getting. John Stumme 21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll add what I have in the discussion page, where chriskang suggested. There's some really clever things that are said :D(Terra Xin 00:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC))

I'm still missing a few fighters, but the list is here if anyone wants to read it. (Terra Xin 05:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Zehtuka's Horn

I don't know if this is directly related to this, but I found a horn in Crystal Overlook I think, at some wierd ruin in the middle of the desert that said Zehtuka's Horn, a quest item.

I'm fairly new to the arena, but when I fought Zehtuka, after beating him he said, and I can copy this from my log, "You only managed to beat me because of the great horn you carry, which you clearly must have know was mine! Let me take that off your hands so that our next match may be more fair. Here, take this other one as a reward for returning it to me."

It has the same stats as the bison cup I believe, or something real close, I haven't looked at them side by side. If anyone can tell me how to post snapshots from the game online I will put them here, this seems to be one of possibly more rare items that are gained by winning battles in the cup. Please help me verify this.--BahamutKaiser 04:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Zehtuka's Horn - Tanetris 00:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

oops, overlooked this part of the talk >.<. Actually, the diffrence is that one is green and the other gold, and the skins aren't the same. The cup isn't costumized. The horn is (for some reason). The only diffrence in the stats are actually the Inherent/Inscription Slots. The cup gives +5Armor^50, the Horn has -5/20. Zerpha The Improver 01:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

← moved to Talk:Guide to the Norn Fighting Tournament

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[edit] The Greath Zehtuka - Special dialogue

Now also his horn is "usable" for something! I defeated him with 3 horns and a jug im my inventory, and he told this to me and stole me one of my three horns. i didn't have a bow or a bag, maybe sb want to try how he reacts if you have all, or what happens if you lose against him with his items. (sry, the picutre is only german, wasn't fast enough to click CTRL right...) —ZerphaThe Improver 20:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok i just noticed sb find this already out before me. He gave me this. Nice thing, dude! :)...well maybe i can sell these horns for some more cash, or take to more greens :D —ZerphaThe Improver 20:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I've tried with all 4 items (bag, horn, jug, and bow) in inventory, and apparently it's only the horn that has any purpose here...fair enough considering that it is the only item which has no other known purpose. Gwynna Vive 21:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

ok, think you're right :] would have been cool however... —ZerphaThe Improver 14:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devona

Is Devonas skills right? I don't know if this is a recent change, but I've fought here to a stand still several times since EotN has been realeased, and I know she was using counterstrike and counter blow, I don't remember ever seeing protectors strike, and isn't that a sword blow? Anyhow, I think the rest of the skills are right, but after fighting her for at least 5 minutes on 3 occassions I'm pretty sure.--BahamutKaiser 16:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Norgu

Norgu's aggro seems to be different than the other opponents. Instead of waiting for me to step into the arena, he starts charging at me as soon as he turns hostile and more often than not... I haven't had the chance to finish casting my enchants :3 Doll 18:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I was fighting norgu with my elementist, and he charges to the middle, but than just stands there even if I retreat. This worked out well since I just stepped back and waited for backfire to wear out, than blew him away.--BahamutKaiser 06:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

That also happened to me twice before. I hope it's a glitch and will be fixed, because it's annoying. --Sparkthunder 19:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timer/Damage Count "Victory"?

I have tried this tournament with Elementalists (SF spamming) and can manage everyone except Norgu and Magni the Bison (gotta find a way to dump Backfire for Norgu, and Bison 2 hits me everytime, even with full armor and no Superior Fire).

It appears that Mhenlo will stay put doing his 55 bit for the whole fight, which of course means I run out of energy. After a while, by maintaining some restraint, constantly wanding him, and keeping Aura of Restoration up, I eventually "win" although Mhenlo is never damaged enough to constitute a win...it takes a very long time. I am wondering if there's a damage counter or something that hands over a win once you've dealt a given amount of damage, or a clock that grants a win after you've lasted a giveen amount of time? If there's something to this, Magni may be defeatable by simply managing to avoid getting hit.

Also, A couple times I've had a "Standoff" with Cynn, where we have both been killed (Cynn is saved, as if under Divine Intervention)...the "You Were Not Worthy" pops up, but the tournament continues on as if I had won. Gwynna Vive 21:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The stadoff thing is definitely a bug and should be reported to someone, I'll put a message on Emilys talk page. -- (gem / talk) 22:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Did more "testing" with this "bug" and it seems that the win is happening before the death. Cynn in particular has Star Bursted me after the win, but was casting when I "killed" her. Conditions such as poison from Warmaster Tydus, Bleeding from Zehtuka (which I've not seen yet because he gets iterrupted before he can finish the trap), Burning from Orion, Cynn (possibly?), Lttle Thom, and of course Zehtuka, (which again I've never seen because of interruption), Hexes (Eve and Lo Sha), and Hex triggers (Norgu and Gwen) cause the death after the win. Not sure how I end up burning from Little Thom (and maybe Cynn who keeps me very, very "occupied" as we are both very nasty with the high damage spells and I have to be fast to avoid PBAoE)...I have definitely have had MoR on me more than once during matches with Little Thom, but never actually saw him cast it (and this is a very expensive skill for a warrior, so he telegraphs with GoLE and I get mobile in a hurry, so I have not been able to catch a screenie of it yet). I will keep trying...gimmie a break, I'm old and my reflexes are not as fast as they once were :P

Of particular interest, I have never met Old Mac/Joe or Vekk in the many hundreds of tries in here. I still haven't bested Bison yet, because my "tester" is going for the skill hunter title (I'm still short 6 skill points...4 million XP inside of two months = carpal tunnel syndrome) but I'll try the Ritualist build once I've got my title and bought the seven non elite skills for the build...then I'll stomp him good! (I hope...lol!) Gwynna Vive 12:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. There's obviously many more DoT givers than I listed...the warriors, paragons, dervishes, etc... They just escaped my observation because I kill them too fast to get bled by them...no, it wasn't my memory lapses! Honest! :) Gwynna Vive 14:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] gwen

i got her in round 1 - Y0_ich_halt 17:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] nika

has she been changed (black lotus nerf)? can someone please check that? - Y0_ich_halt 17:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

np, checked it myself and updated article. - Y0_ich_halt 17:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Ok, I've found from multiple sites that Ursan Blessing will work all the way up to Magni on a warrior. I tested this a few times and it seems accurate. If anyone could tell me other skills to bring with Ursan Blessing so that when i get to Magni I can beat him that would be much appreciated. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ryguy9eXtreme .

Most tips are on Talk:Guide to the Norn Fighting Tournament. Backsword 02:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You move like a dwarf is very good for Magni as he turns and walks the other way letting you regen for a while. I was a Ele/monk and did smiting, had Retrbution, Bane Signet, Signet of Judgment, Reversal of Damage, Great Dwarf Armor, Castigation signet, Feel no Pain, and Move like a dwarf. It took a while to defeat Magni, but he never came close to killing me. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.217.174.64 (talk).

[edit] Palawa Joko

I just got Joko in the last round of the tournament- I lost because I didn't know you can just kill a minion to win... >.<

The good news is that I've got more info about his skills and a new quote: Picture I've edited this into the page best I can but someone should probably look over it and check I've done it right (Also add Final Thrust to his pets, I don't know how to do that.), this is my first time editing the wiki. -Morrisstarr

thanks for the info :) - Y0_ich_halt 21:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Added Skills

Hey, I am somewhat new to this, but was in the Norn Tourney, and came across Eve using Price of Failure, and (I think) Koss using the Shock->Eviscerate->Executioner's Strike spike. If anyone can confirm on Koss that would be much appreciated.

[edit] Dialogues

Could we moove the dialogues of each opponent to their owns pages ? because this one is quite tall. lussh 16:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Move it to a subpage then. Having it all on one page seems better than splitting them up. Also, some hero/henchmen pages already have a lot of dialogue already, so no point lengthening them. -- ab.er.rant 08:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Aye. I just added some skills to Devona. Making that article longer... Backsword 08:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is such a great thing...

I love how they brought back characters like Old Mac with the tournament. The campaigns - especially Prophecies - were littered with people that just made me smile. It's fun to see them again! KrelusDerian 04:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paragons

What is a good build for Paragons in this? I did the tournament easily with my nuker ele, but with my Paragon I've done this 20+ times and lost every time. I can usually get to Magni but I never beat him. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.1.59.86 (talk).

Barbed Spear, Maiming Spear and "You Move Lika a Dwarf!" can be used to keep him crippled and slowly wear him down. Ursan Blessing works with any profession once you get it. -- Gordon Ecker 00:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

see Talk:Guide to the Norn Fighting Tournament - Y0_ich_halt 19:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support

With the new buffed Sniper Support, I found this skill obscenely useful with a high enough rank. When it gets the 10% chance, it instantly defeats your opponent, regardless of how much self heals or protection they have, as most characters do not have in excess of 700+ hit points. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:156.34.59.211 (talk).

rofl, this is great. Does it work on Bison if you catch him out of bear form? What if you catch him in bear form? -- Alaris 16:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Kite around, when it wears out, wand him. -- NUKLEAR ^IIV 17:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

unfortunately, being a 55 monk, this doesn't work on mehnlo! --Revelation 06:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

You guys know that Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support isnt armour ignoring damage right? Against a simple lvl22 boss it takes two hits to kill (with bleeding, if it is removed they live with like 2hp) To kill in 1 hit, you need like r10, and even then, with a 10% chance, thats pretty gg if it fails.

[edit] Rewards?

no rewards are mentioned i had to open http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Norn_Fighting_Tournament to see Zomby 11:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Because the rewards are actually quest rewards, so we have them at Round 1: Fight! and Final Round, Championship Edition: Fight!. -- ab.er.rant 12:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)