Talk:Wammo

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Contents 1 Why? 2 Revert war 3 Why whammos suck 4 Speaking of wammos 5 Elitism and "Whammie" 6 This page 7 Not all W/Mo's are Wammos 8 Paladin link 9 Ridicule

[edit] Why?

Why do we even need this page? It's just referring to a derogatory term, in bad spelling, I might add. This really isn't the sort of thing that this wiki was made for, and there are more important things we could do with our time right now than making this actually look/read like a real article. I'd recommend deletion =\ --Pepe 20:15, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Just make a shorter description on the abbreviations page; doesn't need it's own page, which will become an abuse point as people try to be cute.65.7.211.83 06:21, 9 February 2007 (PST)

This page should be called "Paladin", with a redirect from Wammo,. Ideally, should include information about other self-healing warriors seen in the RA (such as W/D), popular variations (Mending Touch, etc) and the semi-serious applications of a wammo (such as bonding a monk).--Drekmonger 06:26, 9 February 2007 (PST)

This should be called "Whammo", as in the actual noise-term itself, if anything. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 14:03, 12 February 2007 (PST)

I always used Whammo, but Wammo seems to be more popular. To Drek, I wouldn't name this "Paladin," per se, if I was going to include several other class combos; it isn't an in-game term, and nobody refers to W/D's (or anything of that sort) as paladins. -Auron 14:15, 12 February 2007 (PST)

I still think that this should be deleted or merged with something else, but I don't really have any particular regulation to back me up on that, so I'm not tagging it =P Pepe talk 02:38, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Hey wammo was a good build with IA ,til the monsters started chasing the lower armor characters and availability of heroes. somebody should mention that , i cant cuz i cant write good grammar. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:ALLmasked .

Warriors with Mending are not the best thing since sliced bread. It's a massive waste of energy and/or attribute points that can be better spent elsewhere. - HeWhoIsPale 13:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph at the bottom of the page which explains some useful 'Whammo's' which use Monk secondary for rez and condition/hex removal upon themselves. --84.64.116.92 15:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revert war

I unintentionally reverted an edit there from RC without seeing it had been reverted multiple times. Please stop removing content without discussion. And please be aware of our revert policy. - BeX 13:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to stop that guy from clearing the page... Vanguard13:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

He's been warned on his talk page now, if he keeps going he'll be blocked. - BeX 13:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

2 VANGUARD: i am sorry if my point of view is oposite then yours! thats doesnt give you the right to delete my point of view and if you can delete mine y can't i delete urs? i posted there and i will post again negetive view : {ur text}. positive view {mine}. plz keep it that way. also notice because of u i need to restart wrinting agian my view for the third time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Des on trentes .

This has nothing to do with point of view. This has something to do with wiki policy. You are not allowed to do this. Free editing does not give you free reign. Vanguard13:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your edits have been reverted mostly because it's poorly worded opinion rather than a NPOV. Here's a suggestion: if you want to add your view, write it up in notepad, check it for grammar and coherence, and then add it all at once. Then discuss it instead of getting into a pissing contest. - HeWhoIsPale 13:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

kkty with honoring plural free opinions one more thing plz do tell me: what so poorly worded about adding a headline: "the negetive perception "? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Des on trentes .

Because it's not negative, it's informative. It's informing people exactly what the (majority of) the community knows about Wammos. Vanguard14:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why whammos suck

Just to make it clear for User:Des on trentes, whammos are bad. They are bad for several reasons.

• They try to "tank." Tanking is a bad concept in Guild Wars and is unneeded. Even the hardest areas in the game (DoA etc) can be beaten without a tank. Tanks just take forever, and have zero damage output, which leads to the next point...
• Warriors (and Dervishes) have really awesome auto-attack DPS - that is, they don't even have to use skills to do a scary amount of damage. Therefore, they focus their skills on utility and/or special circumstances; FGJ to fuel adrenaline builds, SY for party-wide 100 AL, Rending Touch to remove enemy enchantments, etc etc. Warriors with Power Attack and Mending do none of this.
• Warriors should never focus on healing. Healing Signet here or there is fine (but tbh, it's really in need of a buff), but in general, monks exist for a reason. With the introduction of heroes (meaning customizable monk bars), any last excuse for a whammo to bring healing breeze is effectively gone.
• Some warrior healing can be effective. Speccing 10 into Wind Prayers for Natural Healing and Harrier's Haste is a good investment, partially because Natural Healing is an effective heal (113 HP for 5 energy), and partially because Harrier's Haste is an awesome run buff. Mending and Healing Breeze are terribly ineffective; they simply suck at healing. Mending requires a full pip of regen for 6 HP healed per second; what a waste! Healing Breeze, better now than it was before, is still bad. The high cost (10e) reduces its spammability, and leaves the whammo with a pretty shitty bar consisting of mostly bad adrenaline skills to allow him to cast his ineffective heals on recharge.

Whammos try to be paladins. Guild Wars has no place for wannabe-tanks with bad healing spells and even worse damage. Owait... RA! -Auron 14:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah. If I ever add a cool list on my page, you'll be on it, Auron. For whatever that's worth. Vanguard14:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

even on this page there are people who said good things bout wammo. IF u got some kind of survey that says most gw gamers thinks wammo is as posted plz do send me link. other waise i ask again to publish that there are some difrent views about this build type. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Des on trentes .

One person said they used to be good. - BeX 14:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

They used to be, yes. After a dozen updates not so much. Vanguard14:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

(ec) BTW, if you want to post your view, please do so on the talk page first, as editing the article again without gaining consensus is against 1RR. - BeX 14:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The closest I've ever come to using a Wammo after level 20 is running an all adren Warrior in PvE while maintaining Succor on both Monks. There are still better uses of energy. - HeWhoIsPale 14:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I had menting a while back, only to counter the vampiric weapon I had. I soon discovered having no energy really sucks.- Vanguard 14:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

not worth my energy. i think u missleading the readers with ur narrow views.

Whammos are usually ran by beginners. However, it is unfair to assume all of them are this way, maybe a warrior with monk secondary is just using monk secondary to have a proper rez skill. Wammo did used to be powerful in the days before prophecies was even called prophecies, nobody can argue with that. In light of changes, the 'Paladin' must re-invent itself to keep up with the game. Regarding the guy who said tanks are useless in an elite area, have you never used a bodyblock tactic to protect 6 nuker ele's and 2 monks? ;) --84.66.57.59 11:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. And it took forever. Then I learned how broken paragons were - and beat the same area in about a quarter of the time. No tank/nuker build can clear DoA (including mallyx) in 2 hours. -Auron 23:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well they take ages to die. One time on AB the enemy team had a Wammo and (all on his own) he held off around 4 men without flinching. We had to mob him with around 8 players to kill him. Meanwhile the rest of his team could be grabbing unguarded zones while he held the line. He did absolutely no damage though and if we had an interrupter on our team he would have gone down quickly.--86.149.230.242 18:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speaking of wammos

Endure Pain

Sever Artery

Gash

Final Thrust

"For Great Justice!"

Sprint

Healing Touch

Balanced Stance

Ftw? Some guy that ended up on my team in AB had that setup. Needless to say, he got kicked. Fast. ;) — Galil 16:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

That build makes sad pandas cry.- Vanguard 16:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, that's so bad it's funny. Only reason I'd go W/Mo is for Purge Conditions. KrelusDerian 01:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That made me want to play WoW.....o_O--Raph Talky 21:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hah! It doesn't take a warrior to know that's bad XD. (Asides from healing touch and balanced stances, are there any other flaws?) :P --Relax and Play 03:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Endure. No elite. Final Thrust is rarely used nowadays, most people bring S&MS cos it's unblockable. No res. -Auron 22:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand, at least they get the concept of "warrior is supposed to hit things with weapon". Could be hamstorm. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

looks pretty manly. i'd hit it. --Readem 22:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

You sometimes encounter coordinated guild groups spamming KDs to great effect in AB, so I would not say that steady ( read: balanced stance, as pointed out below ) stance is useless. Yseron - 90.9.255.196 23:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Except this isn't using steady. Aside from, y'know, steady being pretty bad now anyway. Just take aura stab and you'll be fine. -Auron 00:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way aura of stability recquiere 15 protection prayer for a duration of 10 secondes. Do you want to be worst than this whammo ( remember, you dont always have a monk in a pug ). Yseron - 90.9.255.196 00:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Then don't pug? And aura stab doesn't require 15 prot, it's perfectly fine at the standard 14. Balanced stance isn't maintainable no matter how many points you put into it, so I don't see how you're even comparing it. Balanced also prevents you from running actually useful stances like Frenzy or Enraging. -Auron 02:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

This guy doesn't even have an elite lol. Typical Wammo Eth 12:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elitism and "Whammie"

This entire article reeks of elitism. Judging every W/Mo as a Whammo while dismissing anything they have to offer. A Warrior Monk has incredible potential, it's just that all the new players experiment and it gets a bad rap from everyone else. Every time I have ever seen a W/Mo participate in combat throughout the game, they have been a great asset.

I myself am a Warrior/Mesmer. I have been called a "Whammie" by people in outposts, and they haven't even seen me fight. I have only seen one other W/Me in the entire game, and I have played for over a year and a half. It is a rare and underestimated combo. In fact, Mesmers in general are underestimated.

And it's mind boggling that one person above actually thinks Tanking is a stupid idea. Try playing through the later, or even earlier stages of the game without a Warrior or Dirvish in the party to draw the fire. Your trip will end real quick, as I have a feeling this was written by someone who is a caster, as most casters I have encountered are extremely elitist and arrogant anyway. --68.207.156.253 19:01, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

With such low e-regen there is hardly much you can actually use as a W/Me,and more than likely explains why you have only saw 1 W/Me in a year.Believe it or not,direct damage >tanking any day of the week as classic tank n spank generally used a bonder monk,a playstyle seldom used these days.I've actually rarely used any form of tanking and rarely ever fail HM missions/vanquishes

You also cannot ever rely on a characters secondary profession to determine if they are good or not tooBlackBlood - talk 20:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

My Mesmer secondary was the only reason why I was chosen into a group in the Tomb of Primeval Kings level. Otherwise, I was overlooked. (Warriors are discriminated against by magic users in the later stages of the game, even Rangers feel the wrath of Casters. Most of the time, you can only form a group with other Warriors, who were ignored simply because they were Warriors) With W/Me, you can use a Conjure Phantasm and Sever Artery combo and inflict heavy health degen for a good period of time. Or you can use Ether Fest as a sort of Self heal, without the -40 Armor that Healing Sigint gives you. You can make some other interesting combos too, as the enemy never expects a Warrior to inflict "Shatter Hex/Shatter Enchantment" or to inflict other mass degen. It's a good surprise. --68.207.156.253 19:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

this is a joke right?

Conjure Phantasm rarely EVER sees any sort of play other than people choosing /Me and filling their bar full of trash free skills.Think about it,the attribute spread just to get a reasonable duration gimps the rest of your build entirely,you have a bad illusion magic skill and mediocre e-denial/self heal in a totally different attribute,on top of that your expecting to pool reasonably into your warrior attributes.It doesn't work and I can't say much more without bordering NPA.

Although I did say above that direct damage > tanking,I can re-apply that to direct damage >degen,especially in later stages of the campaigns where quickly outnumbering and overpowering your enemy is paramount BlackBlood - talk 23:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol, having a warrior running Conjure Phantasm+Sever Artery is almost inferior in every way to a mesmer running no skills. Crimmastermind 23:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, if you want degen, run SF ele, its the same degen except AoE, more damage and less waiting for your energy to regenerate. Wammos suck, and the reason is that running 2-3 paragons gives more damage than 2-3 wammos and makes everyone a tank. They were killed by power creep and imbagons long time ago.Crimmastermind 23:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC) ether feast idea is okay, but still inferior to just running an imbagon

Funny, because my Mesmer secondary was the reason why I was picked. We had a three man group and we got into the Hall of Heroes and passed the level, so apparently it works. In fact, I was specifically asked to carry Conjure Phantasm. I usually use just one of the Mesmer attributes, rather than two or more. For the Tomb of Primeval Kings level, I just took points off of Tactics and removed those skills, and added those points into Illusion Magic. Or, when I just want to Tank, I put many points on Strength and Tactics, take away points from Swordsmanship and add them to one of my Mesmer attributes. And Sever Artery with Conjure Phantasm actually worked quite well, since I inflicted plenty of damage (for over 20 seconds of health degen) and passed the level. So it works, despite the fact you're saying it doesn't. In that part of the game, degen works better than spikes, in my experience. Before that level, I never really used any of my Mesmer skills until that level, when I was asked to carry Conjure Phantasm. Since then, I carry at least one Mesmer skill and it works with great success. So it works. My personal experience has proved that.

And this has worked astonishingly well in PvP, so I have no idea what you are talking about. --68.207.156.253 01:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

Oh dear BlackBlood - talk 01:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Obviously the best trait of this setup is what I stated above. No one expects it. The element of surprise can put you over the top against someone you caught off guard. No one defends against it because of the so few W/Me out there. However, if the enemy IS expecting it.... you can run into some problems. But since so few people use it, it's almost never a problem. You could call this an unconventional tactic. The main advantage is the element of surprise to throw your opponent off. --68.207.156.253 18:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

"Elitism and Whammie".You admitted running conjure phantasm on a warrior,that isn't involved with elitism or close to it.W/Me is rare as it doesn't work, you said it's " underestimated".The fact is your overestimating W/Me when it is genuinely terrible BlackBlood - talk 19:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what else to tell you. It has worked for me. That's all I can say. It has worked for me on multiple occasions. I honestly thought it wouldn't work until I tried it. I wanted to do something out of the established norm of the game, and it has worked for me. (Established norm = what everybody else is doing) Even the game manual itself says there is no such thing as a bad combo of primary and secondary professions. I'm not overestimating it if I have firsthand experience in it, and that this experience has worked in my case. And if it "doesn't work" then why has it worked for me? I have a feeling you have simply dismissed the idea, without actually trying it yourself. (But that's what almost everybody does anyway. Any deviation from what is the established norm or commonly accepted idea is simply dismissed with skepticism and without a second thought.) Anyway, I know I can't change your mind about this. It has worked in my case, and that's all that matters to me when it come to strategy in this game.

And I will continue to use my failing strategy in this game to win even more matches and get even more treasure in PvE. Oh well, I guess that's the price of living with a failed idea. --68.207.156.253 18:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

I'm done with this >.< Come try HM.My IGN is easy to find BlackBlood - talk 20:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

you don't need a tank per se in HM. An MM does the job better. Why do you think builds like Sabway and Discord rape at PvE? notice they dont require warriors. Warriors and other physicals have great DPS and conditions that should not be overlooked. However, being a warrior just for the sake of tanking is generally bad outside builds that specifically require a tank. And phantasm on a warrior?? Sure it works, but it is still HUGELY inferior to many of the great builds out there. It is PvE afterall. Assuming you werent in HM, you could have honestly taken no skills with 0 attributes and let your team carry you through. Bad builds in PvE dont fail, they are just much less efficient.76.242.59.96 21:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This page

makes me lol. If you think wammos are actually decent in any manner, please go here and voice your opinion. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain why you're wrong. 128.255.195.88 04:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not all W/Mo's are Wammos

I'm sick of everyone laughing at my warrior just because i run W/Mo. Theres more than just freakin healing prayers.--205.188.116.200 17:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Paladin link

I suggest changing the paladin link from the generic description to the more apropos Paladin (D&D).

[edit] Ridicule

So, unlike apparently everyone else in BuildWars, I don't know if I have been laughed at by other players, because I don't care. I run a Wammo because I don't particularly care what secondary profession fills up the 1 empty skill slot on my bar, and because it was the first profession in Prophecies to give me a hard-rez. Laugh if you want, I still ain't gonna hear ya'. - Vik 04:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

In my standard PvE build, I don't even use a secondary so, meh.-- anguard 04:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

"Wammos" are ridiculed not because go /Mo for single utility skill, but because they think they can be healers. Backsword 05:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)