Talk:Zaishen Challenge

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Just a heads up that the disambiguation notice isn't broken. Once Zaishen Challenge (outpost) has been created, it will show in the disambig note. --Dirigible 21:26, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

These tricks seem rather useless. A group of 4 AoE (Generally Searing Flames) elementalists will destroy each group quickly. 204.52.179.199 11:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Then add it in as a general trick. However, even if it works well, it's still convenient to keep the current tricks up to give people alternative ways to get through this. For example, not everyone can get 4 searing flames elementalists together. The tricks written here are feasible with heroes too. Alaris 12:45, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

I have to agree to User 204... - these "tricks" are utter tripe. Not only that, the whole article needs a cleanup. It is not up to Wiki standards and very basic. I will try to do that once I am back from vacation. --84.147.65.189 15:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

So how do I setup a 4 searing flames elementalists using a warrior primary, and if I took the ranger instead of the elementalist in Istan? Need options. Cleanup would be nice, but I have a puppy now, so no time unfortunately. Alaris 22:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

First off, you eventually are able to change secondaries in each campaign, and with PvP. In Nightfall, it's a profession changer found after Hunted! in the Command Post, though he is not unlocked until you complete Building the Base: Prisoners of War. Also, when did anyone start using spacing after discussion posts? It looks so much less cluttered here. Lastly, I find it excessively hilarious when posters are referred to using their IP. Chaiyo Kaldor 03:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Just because you can roll a PvP SF ele doesn't mean you should have to. Also, a lot of new players might not have the necessary unlocks to fit into one or the other trick, so options are good. This way they can farm points, and get the unlocks they need. Alaris 05:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Team/Build proposal 2 Redirect 3 Possible Bug? 4 2,000 per day - Ambiguous?

[edit] Team/Build proposal

The challenge is to make one team that can defeat each mob in each arena quickly, so you can to to the Zaishen Elite and farm up to 6000 Balthazar points in 20 minutes. After some testing, I got a team with 3 heros that can achive the needed 16 consecute wins in the Zaishen Elite:

• SF elementalist (myself, using an SF build and Meteor Shower included)
• Trapper (1st hero, uses the well known trapper build with Winnowing and Frozen Soil)
• SF elementalist (2nd hero, same build as myself)
• Mesmer (3rd hero, uses an interrupter build with Energy surge and Cry of Frustration)

As soon as the mission starts, I micromanage the Trapper hero and put as many traps as possible at the gate until the enemy team arrives. The order is important: Don't start with a spirit skill, as you would lose 4 seconds of skill recharge. Set the first spirit after you did all traps for the first time. Then redo the now recharged traps. Then set the second spirit. Then redo the recharged traps until the enemy mob arrives. Your trapper has enough energy only if you give him mostly Radiant and Attunement runes, as well as a staff with 15+5 Energy. He does not need any Bow. You get it right if the Ranger mob goes down without any intervention from anyone - just from your traps.

The spirits of Winnowing and Frozen Soil must be set on the doorstep in a way that they can block the incoming mob. Usually, I set Winnowing next to one side of the door and Frozen Soil next to it, so they block half of the opening. When the mob arrives, it runs into the traps and stops in front of the spirits, where I can finish off what is left after the traps have triggered.

The IWAY mob is a bit difficult, since the Nekros and Mesmers stay behind. Directly focus them with a Meteor shower as soon as they come in range.

The Elementalist mob is also a bit special, since it will only run into the traps if you move to the farthest point of the starting area, including your heros. Use the flags. Usually, it is better to forget about the traps and attack them directly with Meteor shower and SF as soon as they start to attack you. Your Mesmer hero will do a good job to interrupt them as well as the Nekros and Mesmers of the IWAY team. The elementalist mob is also the only team that will destroy your spirits(!), especially the Frozen Soil. So be prepared to micromanage your trapper in the middle of the battle again and recast Frozen Soil. Silmar Alech 00:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

I am redirecting Zaishen Challenge (explorable area) here because this mission has no explorable area. Shard 05:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Why not just delete it? It seems unlikely that anyone would imagine an explorable area for the Zaishen Challenge, though I suppose that can't be entirely ruled out. Chaiyo Kaldor 03:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Bug?

When I win two matches in a row - the second match displays "consecutive wins: 1" Is this a bug? Do I have to win against 5 different teams without losing to unlock Zaishen elite? 193.190.253.145 16:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not a bug, it's just confusing. The Zaishen elite features the same fights, but continuous and random. In the Zaishen challenge, however, you get kicked out of fighting every time you fight, regardless of whether you win or not. So you cannot get consecutive wins here.

As for unlocking the elite, yes, you have to win against 5 different teams. These wins don't have to be consecutive. Alaris 16:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2,000 per day - Ambiguous?

I wonder if anyone has done a detailed ananysis of this as I have just taken 4 accounts into the arena that did 2k yesterday and today one is getting faction but three arent. the "24 hours" or "per day" therefore seems inaccurate. I did wonder if anet updated the clock at say 5pm PST ( the same time they update the faction totals) but have yet to be in a position to check this.