User:Gem/Request for balancing PvE

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[edit] What is this page about?

See User talk:Gem/Request for balancing PvE#Solutions for more thought out and up to date reasoning and lots of discussion.

Oh my god, they did it again. This weekend we are getting even more of the PvE ruining items, adding even more unnecessary booster items that give imba powers to the players. All these consumable items ruin PvE by making it very very easy. There's no harm making the normal mode game a bit easier since many players like exploring the world and playing through the game with not too much hassle and difficulties. With the introduction of hard mode the game received a new incentive for players who got extremely bored in the easy PvE part of the game. However, this experience has been severely damage with the introduction of massive amounts of consumables that the players can easily aquire and which give them very big advantage over the monsters which were balanced to be hard enough for players without these items. Now anyone - let me repeat that anyone - can play through every hard mode mission and vanquish every hard mode area with no problem at all by hoarding a few piles of these items. Most of them are very very easy and cheap to aquire and even the most expensive ones are available to anyone with a pretty small amount of cash. This doesn't only take the fun out of playing the PvE part of the game but it also diminishes the titles and other achievements of players who play through the hard mode and the hard areas without these items. Basically titles only show time used in the game now, not the skill of the player. The original game box said something about "no grind, just skill", but the game is the exact opposite at the moment.

See the following list for the ridiculous bonuses available to a player. Note that the party wide bonuses mainly stack with the personal bonuses, and you can have all of these at the same time. The durations carry from 10 to 30 minutes, allowing the party to survive the hardest parts of a mission or vanquishing trip very easily. And if someone manages to die, DP removal is always at hand in too many ways to count.

[edit] What a player can do with the PvE-only items outside of towns

  • +220 maximum health
  • +20 maximum energy
  • +25% speed boost
  • +2 to all attributes
  • +1 health regeneration
  • +5 armor
  • +25% increase to your attack speed
  • 25% reduction to your skill activation time

Also:

  • A 5%/10% Morale Boost to you
  • Remove 15%/all of your Death Penalty

[edit] What a player can do for the whole party (some also stack with the players personal bonuses)

  • +100 maximum health
  • +10 maximum energy
  • +1 to all attributes
  • +1 health regeneration
  • +10 armor
  • 5 point damage reduction
  • Immunity to critical hits
  • +25% increase to attack speed
  • 25% reduction to skill activation time

Also:

  • Give a 5%/10% Morale Boost to the whole party
  • Remove 5%-15% Death Penalty from the whole party
  • Remove all Death Penalty from the whole party and give everyone a 10% Morale Boost
  • Resurrect all party members within earshot to your location with 25% health and 0 energy.

[edit] Ways to fix the situation

See User talk:Gem/Request for balancing PvE#Solutions for a good list with some thoughts on solutions. The list presented below is out of date.

[edit] Re-balance PvE-only items

This is my favourite.

Implement some drawbacks to the items to make their use a win-lose situation. The drawbacks could counter the bonuses from other PvE-only items, making the use of multiple items unnecessary since they would just counter each other, or the negative stuff would keep piling up.

[edit] Increase the cost and lower the drop rate

Another solution would be to drastically increase the cost of these items when bought from NPCs and to lower the drop rates of these items during holiday events. With a smaller supply players couldn't consume these items all the time. Instead they would need to save the items for the hardest parts.

[edit] Only one PvE-only effect at a time

This would remove the possibility to get huge bonuses by using multiple different items. It doesn't solve the issues with items like Powerstone of Courage and Essence of Celerity which is the single most over powered item, but it's a start.

[edit] No PvE-only items in hard mode

This makes hard mode challenging and worthwhile again, but at the same time lets players to use the items in regular play, keeping normal mode easy and fun for everyone.

[edit] No PvE-only items at all

This could work too, but would leave a hoard of unsatisfied players with stacks of unusable items.

[edit] <Your suggestion here>

I'll add suggestions from the talk page here.

[edit] Other issues

Not directly related to the PvE-only items, but I'd recommend reading User:Racthoh/Ursan Blessing.

[edit] Petition

I would like players to sign here if they want the PvE mode made harder once again. The exact methods can be discussed on the talk page.

You can also use this user box to support the campaign. (Suggestions for a better user box are welcome, this one was done pretty quickly)

Image:User Gem harder PvE.png This user wants PvE to be balanced. 


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  1. -- Gem (gem / talk)
  2. --Kalomeli Image:User Kalomeli sig.png (talk)
  3. -Auron 08:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  4. -- pullus Sig talk 09:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  5. -- Calor — talk 17:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  6. -FireFox Image:firefoxav.png 17:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  7. --Erasculio 21:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  8. --Racthoh 23:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  9. — Skuld 00:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  10. -- Armond WarbladeImage:User Armond sig image.png 03:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  11. Fumetsu 09:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  12. Nyktos 21:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  13. my title is nub now QQ — Skakid9090 21:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  14. Ashes Of Doom 22:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  15. I hate the way people with money have an edge over everyone else by being able to buy consumables to help them; this isn't just a gold sink, it's unfair. —Ebany Salmonderiel 21:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  16. --Longasc 08:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  17. got me on your side, gem :) - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 12:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  18. El_Nazgir
  19. -- Gordon Ecker 09:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
  20. Rhydeble 18:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  21. BroodlingImage:User Broodling67 sig.PNG 00:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  22. 71.229.204.25 07:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  23. Lord Urun 08:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  24. Antiarchangel 14:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  25. Destructos Maximus 16:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  26. Awren
  27. Turns To Despair Xx
  28. 67.191.245.177 18:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  29. Coran Ironclaw 06:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  30. -- Arkhar
  31. Limu Tolkki (Limu Tolkki - talk) 21:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  32. Cassie 11:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  33. SilentStorm 02:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  34. --24.47.41.80 13:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  35. Pakuna 08:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  36. MiraLantis 21:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  37. That may be too late for GW1 but let's hope it wont happen in GW2. Serge Yseron 21:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC) / The Mole I WOuld Like To Find
  38. Combatter 18:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  39. 83.249.119.162 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  40. §Azhure Sun Soar 07:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  41. Dominator Matrix 07:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  42. Yankeefan984
  43. Cameronl | talk 05:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  44. Boromir 20:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  45. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  46. - Anything that involves ramming the nerf hammer up the stupid bear's hiney b.r // talk 14:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  47. --Spider 14:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
  48. This is why I did not buy EOTH and will probably not buy GW2. --Ryard 17:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
  49. -Warior Kronos 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC) EoTN Consumables and Ursan ftl...
  50. -- NUKLEAR IIV 14:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
  51. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  52. -- Dmitri Fatkin 17:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Jaaameees, nerf! hehe
  53. -- Mango 23:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Changed my mind, I want PVE to be balanced. Not some stuff overnerfed, and some stuff strong, but real balance. Obviously, none of this will happen. =[
  54. -- User:The New Bp 16.39, 12 June 2008
  55. -TalkWhy? 23:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  56. 71.192.171.162 01:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  57. 76.188.100.220 20:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
  58. Maeve 06:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
  59. numma_cway 18:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
  60. Draikin 06:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  61. --King Of Kamelott 18:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  62. (Bunny) 98.21.13.130 21:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  63. Spawnlegacy 21:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
  64. Denizen Zero 08:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  65. I'm with you bro, but ANet is more inactive than a 40-people Bulgarian guild. Ninjas In The Sky 11:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC) rofl Spawnlegacy 12:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  66. PvP Items are more overpowered then Ursan :/ — Poki#3 Image:User Poki Signature.jpg 13:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  67. --Robot 16:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  68. I'm signing for Ursan to be nerfed. If PvE is too easy, try hard mode. Phill Gaston 22:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  69. Signing for everything. And phill, Hardmode isnt hard when you have a imbagon+consumables.Oni User talk:Oni 06:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  70. Want the Necro to have more minions again! more fun. Mr HaXx 10:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  71. Make hard mode hard plz ~Shard Image:User Shard Sig Icon.png 06:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
  72. Psychiatric Consultant 21:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
  73. Hell yes. - Vorith (talk•contribs) 01:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  74. Disregarding the fact that Petitions don't mean much for Anet. I'll sign. (Terra Xin 06:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC))
  75. EoN "deleted" HM and elite areas.--Brainless Thought 14:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  76. Ursan... my hatreds towards you runs deep deep... 89.138.106.144 17:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  77. (ingame= General Murgahn) please a-net nerf ursan. Elite areas are meant to be for the ELITE not for the people that can't play the game very well. The ELITE missions/dungeons aren't very elite when a group of 6 ursans and 2 hb monks can go in and tear up the place with little to no effort. unfortunately, i know you are not goign to read this :) 24.22.235.171 23:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  78. (oh look a bear...) SMACK WITH THIS NERF BAT!!!!!!! Mcdertr 00:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
  79. Nerf Ursan Blessing [NUB] ^^ (No. 80, i think)Lt Death 00:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
  80. Even though they saved me once or twice, I agree. This is killing PvE. Give us normalway in elite areas again. --karenImage:User Karen sig.png 11:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
  81. Gimme Shelter, pl0x. --Ezekial Riddle 17:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
  82. /signed. Even though its impossible to find groups with my prof of choice. Kelvin Greyheart 03:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  83. -- Mini Me talk 11:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  84. -- 84.1.194.144 08:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC) Ing: Monokli Oszto
  85. If ANet does this, I just might reinstall and buy GW2. --SoraMitsukai 18:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  86. I think consumables were a bad idea. I'd be OK if they just killed the Powerstone, though. That's the real killer. - Krelus Derian 22:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  87. I want Ursan to be removed. Consumables should be point 2. 217.126.155.7 16:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
  88. The Cabal Summer FTW! 12:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
  89. Zenikoetsu 15:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  90. Somerandomguy 04:51, 12 August 2008
  91. Lol why wasn't I on the list... Dark Morphon(contribs) 16:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  92. 75.191.186.158 13:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  93. Ive never used these myself but they do seem a bit imba... NalanaTalk 13:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  94. Holy Mountains 18:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  95. --Kalas Silvern 06:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
  96. Kinda getting bored of solofarming UW, ToPK, Kryta HM...╙─ ╠Dogzrdogz╣ talk 04:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  97. -- Cat Slayer Calli Image:User Cat Slayer Calli signature.png 12:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
  98. This is definitely needed. I like how the game was originally designed in prophecies with no pve skills or cons. Evil Penguin 02:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
  99. 85.139.44.159 18:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
  100. --AlexEternal 19:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  101. --Nessarose 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
  102. Crimmastermind 09:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
  103. This tiny little IP wants it, too: 77.186.76.210 14:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  104. Oh hell, Raine signed it, this MUST be serious. Raine Valen 18:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  105. Count me in as well image:User Crystal_Myr_Signiature.pngCrystal Myr 04:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  106. but is it too little too late for GW the dead game? 72.177.204.158 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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