User talk:Kokuou

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Holy crap. :( I'm reverting it. :) Thanks for the warning. - Lud 08:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully there's a quick way to undo this. D: - Lud 08:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

<shoots self> It's okay. I'm reverting it already. - Lud 08:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Finished. I guess it's all good. Thanks again. - Lud 09:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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I would refrain from doing that again, as your pretty much dragging the conversation on. Dominator Matrix 20:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I wrote that 30 minutes after Shard wrote it, when the conversation was still ongoing for the most part. It's now been over 16 hours and no one's said anything since, so it's safe to say the conversation is over. I can see if I had written something now or tomorrow, but as it stands, you really don't have a reason to "warn" me. Kokuou 20:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

DominatorMatrix is right. Regardless of when the reply was made it is best in Shard's case that nobody bothers to reply at all. When other users step up to refute his so called 'facts' it usually only serves to draw another diatribe from him laced with yet more abuse and generally just extends a flame war that ultimately goes nowhere. In other words, there's no need to feed the troll. ;) -- WarBlade 21:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess you two might be right. Still, I just felt really bad for Kim because you can tell she works hard to communicate with people here on bug issues. I just don't understand how he thought she wouldn't take it personal on her personal wiki page. After he's made so many personal attacks on other wikiers and ArenaNet devs that are here, his apologies just don't sound sincere. Kokuou 21:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

If I started talking about monkeys on your personal user page, would you take that personally?

And despite your impressions (which I honestly can't blame you for), Shard is sincere in his apology - he's a troll, but he doesn't want to destroy the wiki with drama. Also, his goal is get ANet to improve, not to ragefaec their devs so they quit their jobs (that would be counterintuitive, as I'm sure you could imagine). If you'd like to talk about it more, you can probably find him on vent (baring job/RL stuff that we know he doesn't have). 64.59.99.130 22:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

No, but then I would know because you actually said you were talking about monkeys. Shard posted, and I quote, "So who's the person at Quality Assurance who actually gets things done instead of making up half-baked excuses why things don't work?" From this comment, it's fair to assume that Kim (or anyone, for that matter) could construe this as a personal attack, (and, in fact, she did) rather than a general comment to ArenaNet. And if his true intentions weren't to destroy the wiki with drama, well, he's sure not doing a good job at showing it, is he? Regardless of what you say, I already admitted above that perhaps I shouldn't have feed the troll, but what's done is done (thankfully, it stopped there and didn't snowball even further). Still, the point is that Shard thinks he deserves to be heard the loudest of any other community member, and when he doesn't get feedback, he goes on NPA tirades and acts like a child. I get that he wants to make the game better. That part comes through loud and clear, and I'm not trying to say he wants to ruin the game or the wiki. The problem is with his delivery; it's neither rational or constructive, and that's why he's got an ArbComm case over his head.

I'll believe that Shard's apologies (previous or to come) will be sincere when he proves that he can act like a normal adult human being and talk things over rather than throwing tantrums. I know about GWW:AGF and all, but with everything he's done, it's not unnatural for me or anyone else here to ABF. --Kokuou 23:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the revert. After I did it a couple times, and he kept on, I figured I'd just wait until the sysops slapped a ban on him, or until he got bored of screwing around on my page.--Pyron Sy 19:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Heh, no problem. ;) Figured I may as well stick my one revert in. --Kokuou 19:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know ;) --'DAVA 16:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)