User talk:Yasmin Parvaneh

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Contents 1 Before I explode Linsey's page... 2 PvP 3 NWN 4 So 5 Mesmer GvG

[edit] Before I explode Linsey's page...

...with further large rants and walls of text that don't directly pertain to the topic at hand, let me get one thing strait. Are you honestly arguing for the removal of henchmen all together? — Jon Lupen 23:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I would prefer the main henchmen to just be switched over. It would fit better, at least imo. Personally, I'd much rather be able to customize my 8 man party with builds I want then deal with pre-set ones. So, probably yes...at least past the initial lower levels of the game.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 23:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

"I would prefer the main henchmen to just be switched over."

Please elaborate. — Jon Lupen 23:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

You ec'd me before I could.

By main I consider, like Cynn, Mhenlo, Aidan and so on...--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 23:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

"...to just be switched over."'

Same request. — Jon Lupen 23:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I just hate having to choose from the pot of garbage henchmen are...new bars or not, their AI is still terrible. The ability to lock targets, control how agressive they are or aren't in battle, utilizing actual hard res skills on everyone, customizing their bars to run what I need...and believe me, there are times when I wished I could have a 4th slot to run a mesmer for certain areas, when I had to choose a healer hero instead. Just convert the main characters over and delete the others past early game areas.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 23:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Who doesn't want better henchmen? But...

"..and delete the others past early game areas."

How would removing said henchmen better the game? What would you stand to gain by removing them? How is their presence a detriment to players? Some people relay on those henchmen that you want removed from the game. Do you really want to deprive them of a method of playing the game? Does said players using said henchmen affect you in any way?

It's easy to see how being able to run 7 heros would be beneficial, but how would removing the craptacular henchmen be? — Jon Lupen 23:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ty for moving your offtopic discussion --adrin 00:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'm sure you're going to say something along the lines of: "But they could just buy Nightfall and/or Eye of the North."

Two words for forcing your customers into a situation like that: Dick move. — Jon Lupen 00:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Dude that is EXACTLY what anet does to you if you want to PvP. If you don't own Nightfall or Factions, good fucking luck getting into a group. Anet is the king of as you put it, "dick moves" --adrin 00:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I've never reccomended this game to a friend after NF came out, so I wouldn't suggest that now. Anyway, I see removing henchmen as a way of saving server space and code space...as a clean up really...so they could up the hero limit to 7. The fact that Cynn, Mhenlo and gang are part of the storyline, I would just convert them (and their models are cool). Using said henchmen does affect me because I hate them...playing with them is extremely annoying, and the fact that I have 3 I can control and customize makes dealing with the ones I can't even more frustrating.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

So are you saying make the henchmen controllable like heroes? --adrin 00:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Whatever is easier. Its pointless to have both if you can do a 7 hero party. Like one person said on Linsle's page, no one would use them if they had the choice. Anet isn't going to be silly and not give easier access to heroes as a compensation. Like in NF if you're Tyrian, Koss & friends are chillin' outside Kamadan waiting for you.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"Dude that is EXACTLY what anet does to you if you want to PvP."

Umm, last I checked, you can still PvP regardless of what campaigns you own.

"If you don't own Nightfall or Factions, good fucking luck getting into a group."

Talk to the community about that. ArenaNet does not have control over the community, how they pick groups and their mentality while doing so.

"Anyway, I see removing henchmen as a way of saving server space and code space...as a clean up really..."

I could probably off-balance that saved server space with one account. Hardly worth the time it would take to remove them.

"The fact that Cynn, Mhenlo and gang are part of the storyline, I would just convert them (and their models are cool)."

Cool, I'm all for that.

"Using said henchmen does affect me because I hate them...playing with them is extremely annoying..."

I said how does OTHER PEOPLE using them affect you? — Jon Lupen 00:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, back on topic, the point is, with 7 heroes no one will use the henchmen. Its like using a computer from 1998...yeah they're out there, but given the means and the choice, you won't pick that compared to something better. As for other people...sod them, I only care about myself (and Simon Le Bon of course), and as I see it, henchmen suck. Most people agree that they suck, that they are useless, and most would prefer the hero system.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Now, where were we? Ah yes, henchmen.

Which would you say is worse, leaving an option that only a few take advantage of, or removing an option that's the only means of game-play for a somewhat small group? This is under the assumption that the use of the option in question has no negative effects on those that choose otherwise. — Jon Lupen 01:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PvP

"Umm, last I checked, you can still PvP regardless of what campaigns you own." Oh thats right, RA counts as PvP. --adrin 00:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"Talk to the community about that. ArenaNet does not have control over the community, how they pick groups and their mentality while doing so." They absolutely have control over the community. If they make rit skills overpowered as fuck, and you don't have a rit cuz u dont own Factions, you're screwed. When they released Factions in the start, all the sin and rit skills were OP to have the PvP community buy the game, and then once they did, other people couldnt get in groups. --adrin 00:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Aside from getting a group, what physically keeps you from entering a HA and/or GvG match if you don't own Factions, or Nightfall? Independent of how well your group does.

What they do affects the community, but they can't directly control it. There is a huge difference there. — Jon Lupen 00:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

What if my friends want me to do JQ? FA? AB? (formerly HB)? --adrin 00:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

That's a campaign specific format. What if my friends want me to enter the Shing Shea arena with them? What about the Sunspear Arena? What about Ascalon Arena? What if my friends want me to Kill Shiro with them, or do the ring of fire, or do Gates of Desolation with them? GvG and HA are NOT campaign specific formats that you are supposed to be able to access regardless of what campaign(s) you own.

Also, you've just commited one of the biggest fallacies of an argument. Stop begging the question. Answer mine.

Aside from getting a group, what physically keeps you from entering a HA and/or GvG match if you don't own Factions, or Nightfall? Independent of how well your group does. — Jon Lupen 00:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You don't pvp Jon, so getting into that discussion is pointless. But I will say that not owning all the campaigns or the skill unlocks puts you at a huge disadvantage in pvp. Anyway, back on topic, the point is, with 7 heroes no one will use the henchmen. Its like using a computer from 1998...yeah they're out there, but given the means and the choice, you won't pick that compared to something better. As for other people...sod them, I only care about myself (and Simon Le Bon of course), and as I see it, henchmen suck. Most people agree that they suck, that they are useless, and most would prefer the hero system.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"But I will say that not owning all the campaigns or the skill unlocks puts you at a huge disadvantage in pvp."

Yes, but does it make you physically unable of enter a match?

"...with 7 heroes no one will use the henchmen."'

Wrong. There are plenty of people out there that don't own Nightfall or Eye of the North. — Jon Lupen 00:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Again...YOU DON'T PVP so we are not going to have this discussion unless you want to start a separate topic. And that isn't what we are discussing here...we are talking about heroes and henchmen.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Implement some in Proph/Fac? --smøni 00:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"...YOU DON'T PVP..."

So? That doesn't mean I can't ask questions, so answer mine. Stop begging/dodging the question. — Jon Lupen 00:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean I can ask <- you answered yourself. So stop asking questions. Pika Fan 00:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It would help if I typed that correctly. — Jon Lupen 00:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It would also help if you didn't pwn yourself. Pika Fan 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

(you guys are killing me with the ec) I am not dodging...you are changing the subject. I am staying on the topic this thread was about. If you want to debate pvp with me, you can make a new discussion here for that. Oh and Pika...<3 pospospos--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

<3 pospospos omelettes! Also, I enjoy derailing discussions that aren't worth discussing. Pika Fan 00:50, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Bam, done. — Jon Lupen 00:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm also still waiting for a strait answer from Adrin. — Jon Lupen 00:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Being bad enough keeps one from entering GvG. Pika Fan 00:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

What's stopping them from clicking the little button that says "Guild Battle"? — Jon Lupen 00:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

^^<3 Pika. PvP usually requires the player to play with and against other players--hence the name "pvp". These teams usually set up a build utilize both the primary and sometimes secondary classes and are made up of 4 or 8 players. That being said, not having access to the skills needed to run these builds will hender people from playing, or will put they at the disadvantage where they cannot play in almost 90% or more of teams. There is nothing keeping them from entering these arenas...but they will not have access to all the skils as both a counter to a build or defense from certain skills or situations. Does this answer your question?--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 00:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"There is nothing keeping them from entering these arenas...but they will not have access to all the skils as both a counter to a build or defense from certain skills or situations."

Exactly. Now, would you kindly hammer this into Adrin's head since you are closer to him than me? — Jon Lupen 01:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Bottom line: Not owning all the campaigns DOES NOT KEEP YOU FROM PVPING. It may put you at a disadvantage, but it does not prevent you from PvPing. — Jon Lupen 01:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Stop talking about PvP when you haven't the first clue about it. Your point is stupid - PvP all but requires every expansion because of power creep. You might as well not bother hitting the enter battle button at all, because if you do, you're just wasting time and feeding the other team free wins.

Yasmin's "you don't PvP" comment is actually right on the money. You're trying to make a point without having the least bit of understanding here, and it makes you look like a huge idiot. So just stop trying. -Auron 01:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"There is nothing keeping them from entering these arenas...but they will not have access to all the skils as both a counter to a build or defense from certain skills or situations."

Read that again Auron. SUCCESSFUL PvP may practically require all campaigns, but the sheer act of PvPing does not. Bottom line: you do not have to own all the campaigns to PvP. That's what this argument is about, NOT how successful you will be given the lack-there-of. I repeat, this is strickly about whether or not you CAN, not how successful you will be. — Jon Lupen 01:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep your sadomasochism to yourself. People play to win and have fun, and not go GvG only to be trashed by some shitter guild because you don't have power creeped skills. Arguing because you "can" even though it's not "practical" to do so just highlights on how far away from reality you are. It's like arguing that you don't need to be special to enter the special olympics; yes, you don't have to be "special" but really now. Pika Fan 01:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"That's what this argument is about, NOT how successful you will be given the lack-there-of. I repeat, this is strickly about whether or not you CAN, not how successful you will be."

No, that's what you're talking about because you have never PvP'd on a serious level in your life. You try to argue minutia. The point is you're being dumb. Stop being dumb. Listen to the real PvPers talk about PvP. Don't try to tell them they're wrong, because the only one wrong here is you.

Because you've red herring'd your way all the way to this point, let me bring you back to reality with the original quote. "If you don't own Nightfall or Factions, good fucking luck getting into a group." This is the truth. None of your offtopic bullshit refutes this point, because it is the truth. The only way you can win this is by trying to stick to an argument that is, in itself, bullshit. Just stop. You're fooling nobody. You haven't the first fucking clue and you've just idioted your way through this entire discussion, showing your true colors along the way. Save yourself some face and stop trying to defend that idiocy. -Auron 01:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Playing GW PVP without all the expansions is like playing counter strike without a mouse to aim. Sure, you can still play, you just have 0 chance of winning, unless your team does all the work for you *cough* champ point/hero rank buying *cough*. ~Shard 01:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi i'm back. I dont think i need to respond anymore. --adrin 03:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

What a waste of walls of text, let me quote "Bottom line: Not owning all the campaigns DOES NOT KEEP YOU FROM PVPING. It may put you at a disadvantage, but it does not prevent you from PvPing. — Jon Lupen"
Now my turn, Bottom line: Not having access to heroes or henchmen DOES NOT KEEP YOU FROM PVEING. It may put you at a disadvantage, but it does not prevent you from entering missions. Sure, it would be hard to PvE without friends, it's hard to PvP without friends. You are having the same argument twice standing on opposite sides Jon. I don't know why anyone even bothered to respond. I don't really care what you have to say in response, I'm not going to respond. You are applying the same logic and receiving two different results in two different places, so there is no point in discussing with you. For the record, regardless of what happens to heroes, I wouldn't see a need to remove henchmen, but that discussion doesn't even belong in this topic. Hi Yasmin ^^ Misery 08:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Am I glad to simply have bought all GW installments..o.O Harrier 19:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] NWN

I edited the official modules to include town portals, so we don't have to resort to the terribleness that is the Recall Stone. ~Shard 20:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

One less piece of garbage in my inventory is a good thing. I have some free time to work on the story plot. I got all the stuff on my comp and organized after getting windows 7 so I can work on some NPCs. Obviously I'll update the forums accordingly.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 18:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] So

Just like nuke I'm inviting you and adrin to check out our guildforum.I'm not asking to join but if your in to oldschool scrimmages and your tired of the stale meta feel free to let me know.Its up to you :) . Link Lilondra 19:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm in a pve guild right now that doesn't do anything, likewise with Adrin. But yeah, we will check it out and see where it goes.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 19:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Just register we're currently not looking to expand afaik (although we wouldn't not accept good peeps obv) and if you want you could proly join in in profecies PvE (just check the forum for more info) Lilondra 20:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

PvP of course...but all the pvp guilds I join crash and burn.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 20:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you considered applying for KiSu? Vili 点 21:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I have, but I go though periods of playing non-stop to not playing at all. I liked my last guild, but two women in there were kinda nasty to me. They were a mix guild that did both. I just hate the GvG meta right now...no one loves us mesmers.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 22:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well you don't have to register to check out le profecies mode and shizzles.(vili you can join 2) Lilondra 05:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Putting "le" in front of everything makes you cool? - Mini Me talk 10:12, 5 December 2009

Isn't Lilondra French, or am I confused with someone else?--neshot. 10:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

No I'm dutch (flemish to be exact) but I guess you guys wouldn't get it its kinda something between attila and me and now I just put it in front of everything kinda without thinking xD Lilondra 13:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Simon "Le" Bon. Yes, that's his real name.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 20:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh Le Baby Lilondra 05:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mesmer GvG

Mesmers are staples in the timezones from 4pm GMT/UTC to around 10-11pm GMT/UTC. You might find your niche there if you look for a guild that plays around these timings. Pika Fan 10:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)