File talk:Kanaxai.jpg

From GuildWiki. I don't know much about copyright stuff, but is this wiki allowed to take images from GuildWiki and then say that it's the property or ArenaNet or NCSoft? That doesn't seem fair...--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 17:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Technically it is their property, being that it's a screenshot from their game... but I would think it is released under the GDFL originally, correct? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 19:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea, doesn't the user decide whether it is or not?--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 19:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

No, this image is not released under GFDL and it is still 'property' of Arena.Net. It doesn't matter that someone from GuildWiki uploaded the image there under CC 2.0 BY-NC-SA, since it isn't applicable to a screenshot of a program like Guild Wars.

This is also the reason that we have to include the {{screenshot}}-template with every screenshot we upload. --  (CoRrRan / talk) 20:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand. So GWW can copy+paste any GuildWiki image they want from there to here without any copyvios or anything??--MP47 (Talk) (Contr.) 00:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Technically, I think they can just take the pics but it'd be polite if the uploader who pinches it for here would acknowledge where they got it from (and especially not to pretend they made it themselves). Jennalee 02:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

From the Special:Upload page:

"By clicking the upload file button below, you agree to license your contribution pursuant to the GNU Free Documentation License (1.2 or any later version) and you represent that your contribution is original and does not infringe upon the intellectual property rights of any third party." (emphasis added)

Meaning: Saying in the screenshot thing that it is NOT released under the GDFL is completely incorrect and a total lie. Pathetic --Gimmethegepgun 01:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You cannot publish things under another license that is not yours.. Fact is that screenshots are not your own and so you cannot upload them under the GFD license. The only thing which should be changed then is the upload text.. poke | talk 01:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The screenshot and fansite kit image licensing stuff is explained somewhere on gww, but can't find the link for you atm. Even though the upload text does indeed say that everything is released under GFDL, screenshots from the game are not. The upload text should be modified like poke said. I remember saying about it a long time ago but the whole thing was forgotten. -- (gem / talk) 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It says stuff about that under that in Upload text, however it does not say anything about screenshots --Gimmethegepgun 02:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, the upload text needs to be modified. What I meant is taht there is a page on this wiki that explains the situation. Some kind sole might want to find it for you. -- (gem / talk) 02:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Guild Wars Wiki:Copyrights, at the bottom of every page. Screenshots on this wiki are not GFDL, they're still property of ANet.

Same on GuildWiki; as the others pointed out, they're not released under the CreativeCommons license there, they remain property of ANet. GuildWiki depends on the w:fair use right to be able to show those images, they can't just release the content under a new license. So yeah, GWW can "copy/paste" any screenshots from GuildWiki, and GuildWiki can do the same in the opposite direction (note however that not all ANet content on this wiki can be grabbed as fair use; I'm thinking about Emily's renders here, specificially).

Gimmethegepgun, try changing the emphasis to this: "By clicking the upload file button below, you agree to license your contribution pursuant to the GNU Free Documentation License (1.2 or any later version) and you represent that your contribution is original and does not infringe upon the intellectual property rights of any third party."

And heck, that statement even goes on to say that "You may also post content obtained from Guild Wars, its web sites, manuals and guides, concept art and renderings, press and fansite kits, and other such copyrighted material that ArenaNet has made available to the general public, to the site. All rights, title and interest in and to such content shall remain with ArenaNet or NCsoft, as applicable, and such content is not licensed pursuant to the GFDL." How is that not clear or incorrect? --Dirigible 02:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't the screenshot template state: "The terms of the permission do not include third party use." - which means that images cannot be copied over from GWW to GuildWiki? That would mean one way traffic. Jennalee 04:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It just means they don't have the special permission we have. GuildWiki could still use it if it falls under fair use. -Smurf 04:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

As I've said before, my personal interpretation (with all the caveats and disclaimers that go with it being my personal interpretation) is to think of it as photography. Anet allows photographs to be taken on their privately-owned location under the condition that they retain their copyright on it, but the photographer does have a (much weaker) copyright on that particular screenshot. I don't know if a player's copyright would hold up over being given permission by Anet (I kinda doubt it), but the safest and frankly most polite way to go about it is to only use screenshots either the contributor takes him/herself, or the original screenshotter releases their contributions under GFDL. Based on that, I think the best course is to just get a new screenshot. Frankly, this one isn't that great anyway. Either that or we ask Emily to do a Kanaxai render. Which I think I'll go ask right now. - Tanetris 07:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well who uploaded the image? Maybe their contributions are released under GFDL. — ク Eloc 貢 11:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It was uploaded on GuildWiki by Huntmaster. No userpage, no indication that he/she released contributions under GFDL, and no contribs since May 2006 so it's unlikely we would be able to contact him/her about it. - Tanetris 11:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

"Same on GuildWiki; as the others pointed out, they're not released under the CreativeCommons license there, they remain property of ANet." It should be noted that even if they were released under the CC license (or any other license), they would still remain the property of ANet. Licensing gives others the permission to use something you own under the conditions of the license, it does not diminish your ownership. It should also be noted that, if you own something, you can do whatever you like with it -- you don't need license to use your own IP, nor are you bound by the conditions of any license you may have released it under, since all a license does is set conditions for use by non-owners -- only non-owners are in any way impacted by the conditions of a license. --68.187.144.197 20:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

New Image

...is friggin' sweet. Never seen such an ugly guy looking so... pretty. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Older one looked better imo. — ク Eloc 貢 01:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The one that was too dark and had Kanaxai on fire from some other effect? Whatever floats your boat... :P -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This one. — ク Eloc 貢 03:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, that's the one. Notice he's on fire; or, was recently. Whever took the screenshot took it in mid-battle it seems. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well of course they were in the middle of battle, how else are they supposed to get that close up of a screenshot :P — ク Eloc 貢 00:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Just saying, the better way would have been to run up to Kanaxai, stood in one spot, and screencapped as he killed your ass. :P -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 06:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't always work as easy as that unless your entire party agrees not to attack him. Sometimes it works well for an article to just run around randomly with the alt/ctrl key held down then write down all of the NPCs later on. Like, for example, when I did the Maladar's Fort page, I just ran around, took around 50 screenshots and picked out the ones that give me information on enemys and which would make a good image for it. — ク Eloc 貢 01:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)