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Copyright?

What is the basis for a claim of copyright violation? I could not even find a claim that this image was copyrighted on the PvX site. Even if they were to claim a copyright, my understanding is that they would need to substantiate that claim. And while we may be inlined to err on the side of safety, since I can find no one even claiming a copyright on this, I would request information on the basis for claiming this is a violation. -- Inspired to ____ 03:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times. We cannot accept content that is not released under the GFDL or owned by ArenaNet. This image is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.5 and is a copyright violation, since GFDL content and CCANCSA 2.5 are not compatiable --Shadowphoenix 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

An image can actually only be released by someone who holds a copyright to it. No release is necessary if there is no copyright to begin with. -- Inspired to ____ 04:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've got go for now, so let me elaborate. If I were to copyright this image then it would be a copyvio and should be deleted. That, is not to say that I could copyright it. I'm assuming you would have something to say about such an attempt on my part. However, I would not be automatically excluded in my attempt since it does not appear that this image has been copyrighted by anyone else. (If it has it is a already copyvio.) -- Inspired to ____ 04:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) This is a wiki (and so is the wiki the image is from), so when you submit something on it; you are releasing it under that wiki's licensing terms (with the exception of public domain, or fair use images). When that image was uploaded as the wiki's logo, it automatically was released under the Creative Common Attrubution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.5 license; hence why we cannot have this image here. It is not released under the GNU Free Documentation License (version 1.2 or later), so it is a copyvio. --Shadowphoenix 04:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I hold the copyright to that picture, but I released it under the GNU Free Documentation License when I uploaded it. So while I still own the image and hold the copyright to it, it can be used on any wiki that has license that is compatiable with the GFDL (almost anything owned by GNU is compatible btw). --Shadowphoenix 04:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

You are wrong. -- Inspired to ____ 04:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually no she isn't. The PvX logo is released as Shadowphoenix has explained based on the licensing of the PvX wiki. Nothing from PvX is available to be posted on GWW unless the person who has uploaded it has also released it under GFDL. Which the logo hasn't been.-- Wynthyst 04:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I suggest you read this, this, this, this, and this. Although it seems you are not willing to compromise by your comment, so I doubt that will read those pages as you seem fixed on your point of view. Ask some of the admins if you would like, but what I put is right. --Shadowphoenix 04:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) its still a copyrighted image, no matter who uploaded it period. Dominator Matrix 04:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Shadow is correct that since it was uploaded under a license incompatible with ours it can't be uploaded here except in the case where the original uploader/creator also released it under GFDL which isn't the case in regard to this image. Also this is the same reason why we can't just copy and paste articles from GuildWiki seeing as they are also under the same incompatible license that PvXwiki is under. --Kakarot 13:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Two things: first the reason I was questioning whether this image is a copyvio is because it seems as if it may be a modification of this and if it then ArenaNet would still be the copyright holder and as such it should not be a violation. Unfortunately, I can't seem to determine if the PvX wiki is claiming that it original or ArenaNet property so I questioned what the person who marked it as a violation knew. Second, Shadowphoenix went into this whole policy diatribe without ever stating the basis for her assertion that it is actually original non-ArenaNet artwork and thus a violation. Granted after a couple back and forths with no useful information forthcoming and combined with my need to get off, I got short with her and I shouldn't have. However, I still maintain that it should fall on the person claiming a violation to be ready so support that claim with facts. -- Inspired to ____ 15:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It is not owned ArenaNet (if it was it would be a copyvio on PvX wiki, since the image is not in the fair use kit). Granted the image is most likely based off of that image; ArenaNet is not original areator of that specific image. Fyi, original art work is allowed here as long as it is released under the GNU Free Documentation License (1.2 or later) or a compatiable license; this specific image was released under the CCANCSA 2.5 when it was uploaded on PvX wiki, which is not compatiable with our license. How much more proof do you need? --Shadowphoenix 18:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

*cough* I'd guess once it's answered this would be enough Shadow. We could then refer to this in any other cases. --Kakarot 18:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but I am 86% positive it is not owned by ArenaNet. I will not comment on this page until Emily has responded. --Shadowphoenix 18:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

"if it was it would be a copyvio on PvX wiki, since the image is not in the fair use kit" - Uhm, Shadowphoenix, please stop mixing up things. There is no "fair use kit", there is only Fair use which allows parties to use copyrighted things without permission. We, the GWW, accepting only GFDL content or ArenaNet owned things, do not accept material that is copyrighted under Fair use. So your sentence "[...] you are releasing it under that wiki's licensing terms (with the exception of public domain, or fair use images)" is wrong. Either it is ArenaNet-owned content or it is GFDL (or content the copyright owner releases by uploading it under GFDL). However PvXwiki allows their contributors to use content - here: images - under Fair use, so they can use copyrighted content, including ArenaNet owned images. poke | talk 19:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify; I was talking about most wikis (since our wiki is strange and doesn't accept fair use), not ours specifically. The Fair use kit is the ArenaNet Fansite Kit, which allows the images to qualify under fair use on ArenaNet fansites (like PvX, and GuildWiki) --Shadowphoenix 19:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)