User talk:Gaile Gray/Archive Misplaced Articles and So Forth/July 2008 - Sep 1 2009

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The mini

Theres this guy, who buys and sells miniatures Here is his site oh btw, my in game name is 'Doratheexplorer not' if you want to thank me for the site

bad and obvious troll is bad. Still, the mini auction site isn't that bad. -- NUKLEAR User NuclearVII signature 3.jpgIIV 15:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
10 points for originality. — Eloc 20:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow.. I never thought I would really care about auctions like that, but I must admit, THAT page did the work! another 10 points for originality. Too bad I was at work when I entered the site. I mean; when you've first entered, you just can't resist sticking around for a while ;) -- Titus The Third User titus the third.png 11:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I say you burn for that. Crap Crap Crap Dervish-tango-icon-20.pngDevi Talk 13:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Starcraft's rank 15

Did anet give him fame to try to motivate people into playing halls? Maybe if you (not you personally ofc) balanced pvp, more than 400 people would actually play it. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 09:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I am sure he/she earned it fair and square playing HA since Anet only gives the opportunity to play, rewards for playing and in competitions. Hard work. Grats to Starcraft. --Silverleaf User_talk:Silverleaf 09:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Another conspiracy theory Shard? Another shameless comment that very badly tries to mask his intention? ANet doesn't have any way to manually take away fame, so why would they have a way to add it? Maybe he just earned it the normal way - by hard work? Why am I asking so many rhetorical questions? — Poki#3 My Talk Page :o 14:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, as far as I'm aware, they "can" take away fame. -- NUKLEAR User NuclearVII signature 3.jpgIIV 14:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
...Another conspiracy theory. Dominator Matrix 14:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
[1] I suggest you look up what a conspicary theory is. My comment was by no means one, just a comment regarding Anet's ablity to reduce rank.
Personally, I'd be more comfortable if they exercised this power more frequently. It'd keep insulting people of of HA.
And, for the record, I don't agree with shard. -- NUKLEAR User NuclearVII signature 3.jpgIIV 15:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
They have no way to reduce rank, Lynsey, Regina and Gaile have all confirmed this. -- Salome User salome sig.png 15:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) First, congratz to Starcraft, who won his Rank 15 fair and square, just as I am sure Leeloof will earn his very R15 soon. There are a couple of other players who are not too far behind. I saw the emote last night, because Starcraft was kind enough to show it to me in HA... along with about a hundred other players who, like me, just couldn't get enough of it! I think there are a few players who will get re-inspired to move forward in HA just because of that cool emote. (And hey, screenshots and movies don't do it justice. You just have to be lucky and be there to see it. Or get it yourself, of course. :D )

Our giving rank or "nudging" the numbers to re-energize HA is a big "Nope, that didn't happen." In my new capacity as ArenaNet's support liaison, there are times I wish we could (fairly and with oversight, of course) give an item or change someone's XP or reset a title, when we can see that they've had an account stolen or have experienced something else quite beyond their control. However, the game is programmed to not let us do such things as a many-faceted security measure; no one can work around it, as far as I know, not even a programmer. The game is a better and more secure place by prohibiting anyone from spawning items or changing statistics.

There are conspiracy theories and.... er... interesting ideas sometimes. I was told that there was a rumour that if you rank emoted me, I could lower your fame. Another one was that if you put me on your friends' list, you'd get a 3-day block. Riiight. Funny, since I may be the only person in Guild Wars who loves getting ranked and hey, I'm rather fond of having friends, too. *lol*

Anyway, congratulations to Starcraft; it's a great achievement and I'm looking forward to seeing several others get to that mark. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Shard, I didn't answer your other point: Balance. Balance is always up for evaluation, as I am sure you know and have seen, in the many changes that take place over time concerning skills, professions, and gameplay mechanics. Do you have suggestions for balance? We have a whole lot of places to share your feedback, and that feedback is read on a near-daily basis. If you have specific ideas, I do hope you'll share them. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, I've seen them reduce rank first hand, one time that I can prove, and maybe 3 other times than I cannot. That's just from what people have told me about their ranks.
Secondly, none of you think it's odd that Star jumped from 21k to 100k in only 10 months? He would have had to make 8000 fame a month, which, though it's possible, was not the case, because he wasn't winning halls that much. Consider that leeloof plays MORE than star and had more fame 10 months ago, and still has quite a bit of fame to go. Not suspiscious at all.
None of you think it's also odd that anet not only knows when someone is "extremely close," but they show up the day he gets it? They didn't do that for leeloof, or for power, or for lulu. Anet didn't know when they got theirs, they certainly didn't show up to congratulate them.
Even if he did get it all himself, I wouldn't say it was earned. A good 10k of it came from bugged skills that let you do a million damage in 5 seconds. Yeah that's balanced. I would just have liked it more if someone who worked for it got it, not someone who cheated large amounts of it. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 20:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
GANK plays under fake names alllll the time. Just because you don't see them win doesn't mean they're not winning. — Skakid 20:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Congrats anyway, cause I do know he earned at least 60k of it, which is still very impressive, and if the pvp titles were designed to be attainable, he would still have the max title anyway.
Gaile, Izzy has said on more than one occasion that he gave up on wiki's skill feedback pages because they have become too cluttered. Many good ideas are still on those pages (most of them not mine) waiting to be discovered. I and a few others also keep organized lists of some of the more elegant changes we'd like to see. I just can't stand how a good 20 or so people have these brilliant suggestions we're lobbing at izzy, and none of them ever seem to get considered. The only change that was inspired by the skill balance section is Magehunter's Smash, and look how well it turned out. Balance is terrible right now, and I'd rather see Izzy swing and miss than not swing at all. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 21:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it right that those people let other people play at there account to get rank15? 21:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Not according to the EULA. Then again, if the EULA actually mattered and was taken seriously, starcraft wouldn't even have his account, because not only did he exploit bugs, his character name is copyrighted by another company. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 22:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
So what you're saying is basically: "We're not allowed to spell or say "Starcraft", because this word "belongs" to Blizzard"? ;) Does it make any actual sense? :) No, because Starcraft Forever is not doing any business under Blizzard's StarCraft trademark. On the contrary, the founders of ArenaNet should be proud the first rank 15 emote was reached by a player who greatly admires one of their classical previously-designed games. I don't get why every "average HA Joe" feels he's got an exclusive right to express his Hway-biased opinions about what Starcraft does - he does his thing, and he does it right, not failing after the first three maps :) Dmitri Fatkin 01:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I can't say I'm an expert on copyright law, nor on User Agreements (we do not have a EULA -- End User's License Agreement). However, I know there is a Starcraft corporation from the 60's, a Ford van conversion from the early 90's, a computer game from the late 90's, and a player who chose the same name for his Guild Wars characters in 2006 or so. I don't really see that any of that is worth fussing about. Don't know that Ford or Blizzard care; don't know that we are overly worried about it, either.
In any case, not taking action against the name does not mean we suddenly stopped enforcing the User Agreement. Bogus logic, that! I can tell you we're enforcing the User Agreement every single day of the year; we're dealing with several hundred individual cases daily: bots, spammers, account thieves, harassers, scammers, and many more. As a gamer, I would rather my game company focus on those sorts of people than get worried about an harmless character name based on another game. Or a 50-year-old camper conversion. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 03:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
When you say "reduce rank," can you tell me what that means? Do you mean the devs have intentionally gone onto the account of an individual player and lowered the amount of rank he possesses on that account? If that is what you mean, you say you can prove that, so could you please do so -- here or via email, as you choose? As I said, I do not think that we have the ability to do that sort of account-based modification; in fact I believe the opposite, that no one can make such a change. But if you have proof of it happening, I'd be happy to ask about it. Alternately, we may be talking about a Support issue, which is why I am so interested in this matter, as I work with Support and would want to know the details about this situation. Thanks. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you know, that copyright and trademark legislation as I understand it (and i'm by no means an expert on this area as I learn more towards public law expertise rather than I.P. and the like) does not and can not prevent the use of a term as a charecter name, unless the term is created solely by that company or firm and thus is not and has not ever been in the public domain. As the term starcraft is considered to be within the public forum then no UA of EULA is being breached. If all of a sudden he started using the same art and font as the starcraft game does so as to lead to probable confusion, then their might be an issue. It's just the same way that McDonalds cant stop other people using the term McDonalds but then can prevent them using the term combined with the golden arches and the like. For example Guild Wars the term is in the public forum and if i wanted to run about calling myself guild wars no one could do anything about it. However if I tried to start my own computer game and called it guild wars, or wrote novels and released them under the guild wars heading, then their would be a case against me. This area of law really is quite common sense, it's just designed to protect peoples IP and to protect the consumer from getting confused as to whats what and whos endorsing what. -- Salome User salome sig.png 04:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
And as the politicians say on our side of the pond, "I endorse this message." :D -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Gaile: 1 - Shard: 0 =D Tabula Rasa is more than just an NCSoft game and has been used in many other copy-writen contexts, and no-one has or can sue them. Is Starcraft claim copy-rights or a trademark to the name or using it specificaly in a market to gain money or claiming it as his own in anyway? I don't think so. You have no gorunds on his name. I taste a little jealousy and spite in your words Shard. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 04:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
By the way, they can adjust guild rating, they did so after they fixed the the Signet of Ghostly Might bug and did a guild rating rollback. Also, banned guilds have their rating set to 0. -- Gordon Ecker 04:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
They can re-roll the ladder w/e they want, and do it regularly, and is a required ability for anythign with a ladder. I'm sure banned guilds getting set to 0 is hard-coded and does not require human intervention. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 04:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Errr...not wishing to get onto a legal lesson on Gaile's page, as it's really not the place as she gets enough bunff cluttering up her page, but just to say that Tabula Rasa is different to the term Starcraft. In that Tabula Rasa is an actual term, which dates back about 4000 years, meaning "Blank slate" if I'm not mistaken. So you could no more trademark that, than trademark the word "The". However the artwork which accompanies the term Tabula Rasa in the NCsoft game is copywritten/TM'ed and can't be reproduced without their consent and that includes their font etc... However Wolf, aside from that, it might be a good idea to try and avoid guesses about peoples motivations for their posts. I'm not criticising or anything, it's just that it can very quickly lead to arguments and flame fests, if the person takes it as an attack. :) As for guild rank,I think that can be modified manually, but I do not know of any title which can manually be modded on the live server and that includes fame. -- Salome User salome sig.png 04:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Salome: 1 - Wolf: 0 XD I need to go to bed, I'm tired. Tabula Rasa was just on the top of my head as I was just contemplating my expireneces playing it at PAX. Meh, examples aren't perfect.... Anyway, I'll let Gaile handle the whole Guild Rating deal, and I'm going to go handle some sleep XD --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 05:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The guy I know who lost his rank doesn't play much anymore, and he's close enough to his second tiger anyway. To my knowledge, he reported his fame loss, but nothing was done about it. I'll ask if he has screenshots of his tiger previously, but everyone that knew him knew he had one, and the day after he beat izzy in hero battles, he emoted a wolf. He was set to rank 8 flat (which would be 2770 fame? It's been awhile for me).
Aside from him, there were heavy rumors that ze medic lost a lot of fame mysteriously, but that's not something i can attest to.
Also, people are still using blinding powder spike. Why has it not been fixed? ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 05:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Please. Anecdotal evidence is not fair. "The guy I know... " is just wrong. Give me time, date, character name, and the details. Better -- give me the support ticket number where this was reported and I promise that I will investigate for as many hours as it takes! Please do not imply that someone beat a dev or criticized a skill balance and got a penalty for doing so. That's like claiming that all those who refused to Conga with me got a block. :) Seriously, consider this: why would the entire company (part of a multi-billion-dollar international firm) risk our reputation by allowing a single employee who got angry about a game loss to punish his opponent? Why would we -- any of us -- exert an undeserved negative impact on someone who supported us by buying our game?
I'm sorry if I sound cross, but I have never seen a "fame loss" report that was proved. Certainly I've never seen one that involved the nasty, corrupt elements that you imply. You might as well say, "Yeah, I had a gazillion gold and it was mysteriously taken when I visited a town where a dev was present" or "My best miniature disappeared when a programmer looked at the miniature code one day" or "I had a great unique and somehow a dev showed up with the same one a month later. Suspicious much?"
Now, I truly don't mean to insult you. Maybe you actually believe the outlandish rumours. But as a member of the team, I am concerned that this sort of thing is written on my page, and I'm not going to leave it here without a logical and honest response, which I am doing my level best to offer. I don't want to hear rumours, and I don't want them on my page. I would check out reports, if I got factual details. So if you have details, produce them and I promise you I will investigate the situation. But from where I stand, "I heard about this situation where..." is several million light years from "fact." -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 06:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
All this time, I was expectin to rickroll somebody... sigh... -- NUKLEAR User NuclearVII signature 3.jpgIIV 08:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm not the guy it happened to, and it happened almost a year ago. I don't keep screenshots of all my friends' ranks. I'll tell him to either get his support ticket or send another one. Sorry Gaile but I think it's insulting when you say "even the programmers can't change people's titles etc" because we all know they can. They shouldn't, but they can. If your programmers can't change something they hand coded, then you should probably get new programmers. It's insulting to the community that you expect people to believe their characters are locked down. I have the highest faith that you try not to do anything to them, but rumors don't just happen, there's usually a basis behind them. I myself lost one of my area vanquishes on my warrior, though it was more likely a bug than someone changing it, but these things can happen. Maybe his rank was bugged and went down to 8. It's possible. With your servers altering a billion pieces of data per second, things can go wrong. In the case of my friend, I just think it was a really BIG coincidence that he lost rank right after beating izzy in HB. I know you can't go on "I saw it myself" testimony, and if I were you, I wouldn't believe me either. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 21:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Here, check this, a small chunk of a Crysis save file, which is roughly like any other save game

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Make sense of that, b/c thats what the devs would have to do in order to edit save files. The only thing that has permission to access those files is the game engine, and there exists no code in the game to edit save files or manualy adjust titles. I've read the entire .dat file. If anything, it's a nasty bug. I logged on one day to find my mini gray giant and celestial sword missing, and my guild confirmed that I had not logged on since the last time I knew iI was on. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 22:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Shard, I'm sure Izzy loses PvP matches all the time, which means it's silly to think that that one incident, out of probably hundreds, was enough to make Izzy go and reduce someone's rank, even if it were possible. Honestly, with the amount of unsubstantiated hostility and lack of faith you show toward other people, it's obvious that either you're too young to understand that most adults don't get riled that easily, or you're terribly jaded. Either way, maybe a break from the game would do you good. Kokuou 00:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I had the pleasure of meating Izzy at PAX, pretty cool, calm and collected guy, not the kind to lash out at something. I beta him in a Rollerbeeatle race, he signed a little, we laughed about it, and all was good. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 00:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Shard I've been trying to stay out of this as much as i can, however you're continued baseless accusations are somewhat damaging. You are basically calling the Dev team corrupt and calling Gaile a lair. Which treads very close to breaching NPA. Please either provide proof of your claims or cease your (currently baseless) accusations. As this really isnt the forum for your conspiracy theories. Simply put their is no proof that anet have or even can adapt peoples titles on the active server and if you don't understand the basis of the coding of the game then perhaps you should cease telling Gaile what they can and can't do. -- Salome User salome sig.png 00:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
...Because NPA really makes a difference in this situation? Take a look at the bigger picture, dude. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 01:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Your right, it's boarder-line blastphemous. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 01:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Salome. You have shown no proof other than rumors. So before this get any more out of hand, I want to add this; Someone posted on their wiki user page a list entitled "How to loose an Argument". This user claims that doing any of the things on this list and a way to "loose an argument and look stupid doing it." For the most part I find these rules to be very accurate. All I can say is pay special attention to rule 5. =P --Dunyas User Dunyas sig.png 02:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL,rule 6 however is surely more relevant? -- Salome User salome sig.png 02:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
What part of "I'll ask if he has screenshots" do you not understand? Christ, you can't always expect people to always have exactly what they need on hand for an incident that happened over a year ago. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 02:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I did mean 6. As to Armond, yes I do. To claim someone of wrong doing in hopes of defaming them without proof is not only wrong, it's illegal. If you want to post such rumors, you should have to back yourself up. Hence the validity of rule 6. --Dunyas User Dunyas sig.png 02:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Armond,it's not that i fail to grasp what he said, it's just that he still has yet to produce anything even resembling proof for his claims and yet is still putting them forward as fact. I know on the wiki we should AGF but their is a limit to it,especially when assuming good faith, in this instance, insinuates that the devs mess with peoples fame just to amuse themselves. Also to answer your previous post, NPA is always relevant. One should be able to make a point without attacking another persons charecter and if the topic at hand requires that a persons charecter be brought into question, then the person should supply some proof at the very least. Personally I'm in favour of this debate being dropped until some evidence comes to light, because as it stands arguments are arising based on third hand testimony which really seems like an awful waste of everyone's time and energy in this instance. Please note that I am not saying that Shard is lying or is even mistaken, I'm just saying that without proof or something to back up his claims, that this post serves no purpose other than to flame bait. -- Salome User salome sig.png 02:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I did not say Gaile was a liar. I did not say the dev team is corrupt. I said that 1: Programmers can change anything they want and 2: I know rank (and other titles) can be lowered/changed, not necesarrilly by people.
If I had brought this up a long time ago, maybe a rollback log would show my friend was actually rank 9. I don't know how far back the DB backups go, probably no more than a month. Like I said, he reported it and nothing happened. Anet being bad at customer support has nothing to do with me having no evidence of something that happened almost a year ago.
Wolf, nobody changes things from raw files. You change them with source code. If I had an interpreter for that save file, I could change anything I wanted to in it. Anet has an interpreter, so they can change any of the characters/accounts/guilds/etc. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 02:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Shard although I do not agree with your prepositions in this instance, I would not stand up and argue that you were out and out wrong, as I do not know either way and I can only go off what Regina, Gaile and Lynsey have said is the case. It is just without proof or support ticket numbers to back up your statements, I fail to see what you hope to achive with this post. As Gaile has said that she will act if you supply her with these details but that without it she cant. It is just that at the moment this post is only serving as flame bait. -- Salome User salome sig.png 02:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
You want proof titles can be changed? Ok, two months ago, my warrior vanquished Icedome. Now, it's not vanquished. Gogo game logs. Half my guild was with me, and they all have it. Sorry, I thought having game logs was proof enough to take action on something, which is why people get banned for making character names with racial slurs in them or dropping the n bomb in all chat. People don't screenshot those, they /report it and someone at anet looks for it in the game logs, which apparently only keep track of things anet wants people to know they can see. I don't take screenshots of every person I know and all their titles every single day. Nobody does. I know how games are coded, obviously better than Gaile and most of the people here, so I know what can and cannot be changed in one. Honestly, even thinking people will believe programmers can't change things proves how intelligent you place your own community. I thought your company was neglective enough with releasing unfinished games with terrible concepts, then never fixing them, but calling your player base ignorant? I'm shocked that came from you Gaile, especially considering your position in the community. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 02:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Errr... Shard im sure if you supply Gaile with exact dates and times, where you were and what charecter you were on, she could go and check if you did lose that vanquish. However you can't expect any employee of any company to look though ALL of someones gamelogs just to trace a very vague complaint. It's just not a great way to invest ones time. Also again I would say that the fact you seem to believe all games are programeed in the same manner is conjecture on your part. To a degree their is certain base hard lined programming which is a massive issue to change. I'm not saying they couldnt possibly change that programming if they so wish, however it would just be such an effort to do so, it would not be cost effective to invest the time and effort to modify it. Now 3 different anet employees have said that they have no way of changing the fame in game on the live server and that the option just does not exist for them. Now although i accept your point that if they wished to add that option into the live server for themselves, they could, it still doesnt change the fact that they say they havent done so and that its unlikely they will do so, as its investing alot of time and effort into something essentially pointless. Again I just dont see what you hope to achieve with this post. The devs say in essence that you are wrong, you say that you are right but offer no specifics to verify your viewpoint. I'm not going to take sides either way but I will say that before you start charging a company with unsound business practices and employees of a company of being inept or dishonest, then you should have atleast some specifics to back yourself up with, otherwise it's just insults and not constructive critisim. Thus why im requesting that we drop this subject til someone can supply proof either way of the validity of these type of claims, as at the moment this post is serving no other purpose than to incite arguments. -- Salome User salome sig.png 03:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Did you disconnect soon after vanquishing Icedome? Maybe there was a crash and everyone involved in the zone was rolled back. -- Gordon Ecker 03:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) (Go go gadget edit conflict) Ok, First, lets consider Shard's personal Bias vs Izzy. Now, chew on this.

No, interpreters DO NOT exist for save files. There is no point. Half of the file is all hash-code and the liek that doesnt mean anything to a human, and half of the file in unprintable characters./ So, you open a file and you have already lost half the data. If by SOME act of God, you did open the file and could see all these unprintable characters, none of it would make any sense. The files are built by the computer, for the computer, and not for humans to read. There is not a snow-ball's chance in Hell that you could make any sense of it. Now, lets go up one level to actauly GETTING to these files. Now, I work in data-base management, and pulling the file strait out of the data base is not possible, they are protected and encrypted to God knows what level to protect against hackers. You would have to run an SQL quarry or the like to get the file, and then it's still gunna be the fore-mentioned mess, if you even know what file you need to pull!

Now, you emntioned using the game enigne and modding the source code. GOOD LUCK! Hasve you ever SEEN a game egine's source code? It's a mess! You would have to imbed an action that would execute on a given event, or command from the game. Now, this is assuming you figure out where to put it, and once again, you actualy know what file to pull. Now, you would need a live build to make the action work, and another to remove it and cover your tracks. (Good luck, can you say back-ups and version checks?). Now, it would requite one of two things, a command, or a triggering action, A command is out of the question, it would show up in the .dat file, even after the build removes it. Now, with a set action, it would undoubtable be triggered multiple times before the build is changed, and would be noticed by multiple players, and would continuosly remove a set number of fame, or continualy be set back to a certain point. Both would be HUGHLY noticable, and impossible to target against one player in that short of a time. Point blank, it CANNNOT and HAS NOT been done. Your claims are groundless. Your down to three options shard, either A: They lied (good chance), B: Your Lieing (where my money is), or C: Horrible glitch (I have lost a few items ot a glitch, they happen). Your claims are groundless. --Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png

(Reset indent) Someone might make a claim against another individual. Say it's "I think you sleep with a teddy bear." The claimant shows no photographs, provides no witness testimony, displays no receipt for the purchase of said bear, he just says it because he can say it and he feels that no one can refute it. It's hard to disprove something; it's relatively easy to prove something. I'm asking you for the chance to resolve this with facts, with proof. I feel this should end, this litary of undeserved, unmerited, and increasingly fantastical allegations of wrongdoing and evil intent. "A year ago and I don't have details" or "I know it happened, I just can't say how, or when, or where, or give any details, or..." is like "One time at band camp" stories.

Do we have glitches in the game that could cause a loss of points? Yes, we do, although such a thing is very, very rare, and I don't have enough data or information to know if this "once upon a time" relates to those few, rare instances involving perhaps a handful of people. Is such reduction a part of a concerted effort to reduce certain people's accomplishments, or raise those of others? Heck no! Any company that did that would be risking a huge amount of negative publicity, and for what? Who is his right mind would risk losing his company's reputation, even his own job, because he lost a match in the game? (excuse me while I resist rolling my eyes here) Can a programmer roll back individual stats? Not to my knowledge, or at least not without a considerable, visible amount of trouble and the risk of excessive complications. Do we do it? Again, not to my knowledge, and because I've asked, I believe I have been told the truth and it does not happen. Not for any reason: Punishment for in-game misbehavior, even daring to beat a dev in the game. :)

At this point, seeing no proof and only increasingly nonsensical assaults against the company, unbelievable assertions of professional or programming expertise, and insults unwarrantedly directed towards certain staff members, I suggest this "discussion" end until it can be backed with something beyond hot air, incivility, paranoia, and unrestrained libel. I have an email on this wiki -- use it. The trolling and the insultfest needs to stop. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:Oh well, if he's actually interested in how it works and wants to hear it from someone else with long-time testing experience besides Gaile (whom you have no apparent reason not to trust), okay, I'll tell Shard what they're able / not able to do, however, I'd ask you to refrain from posting another novel-like story beginning with: "But I'm pretty sure they can do this and that..." stuff.

Programmers with non-founder access can:
1. Send messages using GM font or a similar one of other colors, on an appropriate occasion.
2. Wear Game Master's in-game sign, though, I haven't seen anyone besides actual GM's or NERF designers doing it.
3. A programmer can /mark or /mute abusive account, such as the ones broadcasting gold-selling advertisements. ArenaNet founders or Server Team leads could probably also disconnect you from server for talking too much nonsense. But normally, the disconnect feature is not available on Live.
4. For tournament-spectating purposes, they're also able to kill themselves in any area of the game. That means they can die in towns such as Lion's Arch or Ascalon, but this isn't the actual purpose of the feature, and therefore you aren't going to see anyone doing it. They can also add themselves to a full party of 8 people, bypassing the party limit in order to participate as game spectators.
5. They're able to grant guilds cape trims, as well as ban guilds with abusive names (reset their rating to N/A, the so-called GR-2 error).
6. They can use fireworks in regular towns, similar to as the players can do it in their Guild Halls.
7. The staff has access to real time Observer Mode and uses it to track down players involved in macroing or botting.

All right, and here's a list of what they can't and will never do:
1. First of all, they are unable to "manually edit" anyone's characters, including their own. Guild Wars servers are much more complicated than you think, and in order to edit someone's character, one would need to execute a global MySQL database query and then sync it with the rest of the servers. That would require shutting down all servers for a few hours. In other words, no one in sane state of mind would alter in-game characters like that.
2. They cannot spawn monsters, items or gold. For those, who haven't understood it from the first sentence, I will repeat: they CAN NOT give themselves, or anyone else, weapons, minipets or gold by spawning them with a command. The only way to add a special item to a Live server account is to provide the owner of that account with a special access key for desired item.
3. They cannot lower or increase someone's fame points or titles on Live server, nor can they alter their own. There is such a possibility to raise your own fame points on Developer's server, but even here, you'll be the only person able to edit fame stats of your own account. The reason of implementing this feature was to allow game designers to create rank emotes.
4. Despite the above-mentioned point '4', the programmers can't specifically deal damage or kill anyone's character by any other means besides *actually attacking* them with in-game skills. They can't kill monsters in one hit, as you've probably seen in infamous "WoW GM Power" video.

Other things they aren't going to do:
1. Logging on some customer's account. First of all, they don't know the password, and secondly, there's a command which allows them to see your character's basic stats, such as the number of deaths, the amount of experience, skill points, etc.
2. In no way will they "punish" you for beating them in TA, AB, HA, GvG or elsewhere. The programmers hardly play Guild Wars 1 these days, and when they were, I haven't observed a single case of them doing such things. In fact, developer's commands can be very helpful on closed Test servers. Imagine yourself a situation when you're testing a new mission which happens to have a glitch that prevents the whole party from completing the goal because the gates (or some other thing) don't function the way they should. A teleport past the bugged area would save everyone's time, allowing the testers to proceed without restarting the map.

And to solidly conclude the whole thing, there's a company policy implemented by the founders of the company which clearly states that ArenaNet's employees are not allowed to misuse developer's commands on Live server.

It's like, if a player sees a dev killing someone with a flick of a finger, then the next time anyone dies to a Dev team, they'll scream: "Hax!", and it certainly reverberates. ArenaNet understands that and because of this, almost all console test commands are disabled on Live server, even for Game Masters and programmers. To sum it up, they have only the ones that are truly needed to enforce the EULA and Rules of Conduct. And speaking of NCsoft's Game Masters, which aren't directly accountable to ArenaNet, you have no idea how pedantic in terms of following the in-game EULA they can be! For example, in the beginning of 2006, they've forced one of Dev guilds to change its name because they deemed it to have a bad, censored word. Now try to speak of biased opinions and injustice towards certain players ;-) The conclusion would be: the established rules apply to everyone, including the staff of ArenaNet. Hope you understand that :-) Dmitri Fatkin 03:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Dmitri, I think you may be trying to help, but the information that you've given is inaccurate in many places and entirely inappropriate in its entirety. Please do not purport to know the in's and out's of ArenaNet, Guild Wars, or the duties and privileges of our employees, for you simply do not have that knowledge and are in absolutely no position to present yourself as an authority. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The subject being well and truly beyond redemption, and with no further commentary desired nor needed on a topic that started out badly and headed south, I think my best option is to archive. Thank you for understanding. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you, Gaile. It's very hard to explain such stuff to a player which deems that "the Dev Team sometimes abuses the rest of the players" as an established fact. =( Dmitri Fatkin 04:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

A festival and titleloving players idea'!

A festival- and titleloving players ide'!

Hi Gaile and eweryone!^^ I posted this on Reginas disscusionpage before, but no answer... please answer me, Galie:))

I think Guild Wars is the greatest mmo in the world, and I've been playing since factions. However, I think it shines the most when its a festival! Thats GW when its best! So I just wondered, how come ya dont have a festival this time a year? Late in summer, its the perfect time for some partying^^ And, how would it sound with a "title festival"?!? A festival where ya can exchange your festival points (that you get from some cool quests^^) for stuff for your title (such as sweets, alcohol or part items) and and you will get your title points tripled or something?! And ofcourse, a cool mask in the end! I really think a festival like that really wouldd help people like me that has trouble with maxing titles, and loooove festivals in GW! This time of year really needs a festival! So, what do ya guys think of my idea?:))))Megalodon 15:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Not the right place for this kind of subject, besides being directed to Gaile. Not a support matter, suggestions go else where, and this has already been suggested before. 16:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
As I said, I was the one that suggested it before... and I really just want Gailes oppinion...Megalodon 17:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi Megalodon. I love our festivals, too, and have always thought I would like to see a few more. However, I'm keenly aware of how much preparation they take and I've tried to tamp down my "All Festivals / All the Time" mentality. :) Better to concentrate on a few splendid events than make them commonplace or dilute the focus.
The Live Team is adding content, as you can see. The "Talk Like a Pirate" celebration was delightful, and quite a surprise for players. And come to think of it, that mini-event fell into the timeframe you've been speaking about: the late-summer, early-fall timeframe, so I'm hoping it will take place again next year. (Goodness knows, I love the little Grog bottles, they're just darn cute!)
At this point, the Live Team is looking towards one of the two largest festivals of the year -- The Halloween Festival -- and in my opinion, it would be nearly impossible to add another festival, especially with Halloween just one month away. So as a player, my thoughts on the festivals are that I'm happy with the festivals we have and I enjoy the mini-events and special weekends, too. (Favourites: St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.) Hmmmm... I wonder if we'll see Pie and Cider in November! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
That reminds me Gaile, I have 40 Bottles of Grog, which were "generously" given to me by some raptors :P. Since you are working on your drunkard title and I'm too lazy to sell them, would like to have them? --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 23:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yo ho, Yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
I mean, yes, please, I'd love to have them. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
lol, when is d best time for you? --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 08:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
What would be celebrating? Can't have a party unless there is a purpose. ... Or can we? ... Unindal 14:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Baah, details!;) Well, u can celebrete lot of stuff, the world is filled with festivals;)Megalodon 14:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I think an ideal festival that could happen a few times in the year based on where you live at would be a Harvest Festival. It is pretty well happening right now where I live. Lots of room for drinking, eating sweets, and just partying. Sounds like there needs to be titles for those three. :P Unindal 15:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Harvest festival, hey? Hmm, ye, it sounds like lot off fun!!:3 Nice idea, Unindal:)Megalodon 17:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Since "harvest" is the concept behind Thanksgiving, the random drops we had last year of pumpkin pie and cider tie in well with this time of year. So the month may be different -- November instead of October -- but the idea is along the same lines. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

A new era of pet taming? what do you think, Gaile?

Hehe, its me again, thx for youre answer to my festival idea:)

I just got another idea, and wondered what people think about it? :))

I think that GW should have a new pettaming system. I have a pet, a pet tiger that I tamed about 2 years ago. I dont wanna trade her away, to many memories. But when I start to see other rare pets as Phoenix, Black Moa, and ewen Rainbow Phoenix, I wanna tame 'em to. So I was thinking, cant we have a pettamer in our GH/Hall of monuments, that instead of deleting our pets keep them, lika a "daycare service"...;) U drop of a pet, tame a new one, and then ya can decide wich ya wanna adventure with. Then u can change between your different pets, and maybe tame all of 'em? That could be a titlexD Why I want this? Beacause, I think that ewery1 out there that want to keep ther good ol' companions, also wanna get the rare pets, maybe for HoM, maybe to show othersxD. And the title thing, if you decide to do this, ya maybe can release a new ultra pet in Fissure of Woe? Thta would be sooo cool:))

Hehe, what do all of ya players out there think of this? And u, Gaile, what do you think?:) (and yes, I was the one that posted this on Reginas page.. I didnt steal it;P)

Have a nice day:)Megalodon 14:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, Megaladon. This is an idea that has been talked about for some years. I called it a "Pet Stable" when I used to talk about it with players. The idea allows a Ranger to choose from whatever pets she has tamed over time, rather than having to replace one with another. Obviously, it's an idea that I like very much although as a player I do not anticipate that this would be implemented Guild Wars.
In thinking about the best placement for topics like this, I feel that it would be best and most efficient to check the Suggestions page to see if there is a live topic there on the same subject and add your thoughts to that thread, or perhaps start a new one there or on your own personal talk page. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 17:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Thx for all your help, and for ansvering me, Gaile:) I have now posted my idea on the suggestion page [2] and I will also bring it upp on my disscusionpage:3
Ok, eweryone that loves pets, read my page, comment, and show Anet that we want multiple pets!!!:))Megalodon 19:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

New Soul Reaping Idea

I was wondering if this new Soul Reaping Idea could be brought up. It's under Talk: Soul Reaping but because no one looks at that, I thought I could bring it up here.

The idea was to keep the 3 times of gaining energy in Soul Reaping but to add one other thing. The energy gain should be increased to .x% of x soul reaping when a minion belonging to the caster who conjured that minion dies. This means, any Necromancer will still have to deal with only get the soul reaping energy 3 times maximum in a 15 second window. However, whenenver a minion dies, they receive x% of x soul reaping. They receive this energy benefit even AFTER the 3 times of soul reaping is passed. Now the x's represent the soul reaping power. For example, I have 9 soul reaping. My last soul reaping (which was from my minion, let's just say) benefit gave me 9 energy and 9% of 9 soul reaping (please remember 9% is 0.09). Now that was my third energy gain thingymabobber. Now if my hero's, or team mate's minion dies I still get no energy gain benefit. HOWEVER, if my own minion dies, I receive 9% of 9 soul reaping which is .81 which can be rounded to 1. Therefore, whenever MY OWN minion dies, after the soul reaping benefit thing, I get 1 energy for each minion that dies. Just a thought. Than 02:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I might point you twards the GW1 Suggestions page. — Wolf User Great Darkwolf User Image paw.png 03:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
That ugly page thats in good need of a make-over ;) -- WoBUser Wings of Blood sig icon.png 23:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I soooo agree with you the page needs a massive update! I think we're all hopeful that one or a few of the wiki contributors will step up and "adopt" the page as a project. (And yep, I guess that'd fall into the "major project" category. ;) ) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 07:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

from Regina's page

Do me a favour, please tell those retarded, inconsistent pieces of trailer trash for GMs to hurry up and look at their tickets, I am NOT impressed. Owut 19:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


We have a special event coming up. February 19th, 2009 is the one year anniversary of Dancing Daggers being reported as a bug by Izzy to his colleagues. If this skill is not fixed by February 20th, be sure to join me on that skill's feedback page and add countless number of happy birthday wishes to this bugged skill. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 03:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Emotes for Kurzick/Luxon titles.

I wuz finkin... U could suggest makin emotes for Kurzick and Luxon titles like there are ones already for Hero and Zaishen :D And as high as ur rank is the emote gets better :D ! For example, the kurz emote can spawn a juggynaut for an instant :o

Munchy ^^ 21:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

On that note, why isn't there some kind of emote for the Kind of a Big Deal title? I'm not even sure God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals is even announced in any of the towns when you get it; at least it didn't happen for me. :( What's up with that? I guess title emotes are only for those cool PvP'rs and not us poor PvE slobs. :P-- 01:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it would make sense for something like GWAMM to have a cool emote... of course, the animators are busy with Guild Wars 2, I'd bet... but it should at least be announced in towns. 05:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

GWAMM is announced, since the last update...and kurz/lux is a PvP title. :P 09:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since the addition of a Luxon/Kurzick Blessing in PvE, this title really isn't a PvP only title anymore, and since that last update it has become even easier to obtain in PvE. :P-- 17:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
First: Glad/Champ get an emote. GWAMM could get an update, but it should be a wee tiny one, and kurz and luxon could get an emote, but it should be one emote only and it could be that when you type /lrank or /krank you'd get Saint Victor or Archemorus depending on which title. But yeah, first glad and champ imo <_< Mini Me talk 16:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to disagree with your first assessment of Glad/Champ getting emotes, but there's no reason to belittle the accomplishments of those who have maxed 30 or more titles, regardless of your opinion on if those 30 individual titles are easier than Glad or Champ. Yes, getting Glad or Champ does require a certain skill level to achieve, but it does still come down to a certain level of grinding to accomplish, by essentailly repeating what you've already been able to accomplish.-- 17:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be on the guild wars suggestion page... Didis 18:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that's where it should be. :) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Cyber Bully...need some help...

The leader of [any] alliance Jaypac The Celt Of, has had several recent outbursts. At this time, several people are collecting screen shots of a recent instance of cyber bullying. Someone that had left his guild was diagnosed with cancer a few months back. On leaving his guild, he and a few other members not only sent messages in game, but on her personal cell phone stating that people hope she dies, and a few names that can't be posted here on Wiki.

Last night I received a message from the person that left [any] stating that it would all be over soon. Unsure of the meaning to this, I called the person to find out through the persons family, that after all this harassment, taking a bottle of pain killers seemed like a reasonable way out.

The person survived through the night in the Emergency Room, and is expected to make a full physical recovery.

Is there anything that can be done to prevent future instances of this happening? This was one person that survived this time...what about the next person? If the game is a family environment, and we have people trying to kill themselves because of messages being sent to them in game and on their phones, what's going to happen next time?

Anything you can do is appreciated. The person that I am referring to deserves better. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Cross78 (talk).

This mornign I found out what happen to the person mentioned above from one of her family memebrs. I have a support ticket submited with Support asking to know about the policy Anet has with Cyber Bullying in game. Jaypac has done this to not just one or two people who leave his guild he does it to anyone who leaves, using mind games and pity party games with them. I have recieved several responces from people in support telling me only tempory bans can be placed on this person for his acts. We have screenshot and will provide the evidence required to see him ban permently, not just one account all his accounts to make sure no one can go thru this again. This is a agme ment for fun people should not half to fear someone for leaving a guild or be bullyed for it after. Thank you and awaiitng your replie KillianHero 18:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
If you all know this about the man then don't be in the guild. I'm not being glib here but in short don't give your mobile number to arseholes and don't play with arseholes either. I'm not advocating Anet doing nothing here, as bullying should be actioned both in a swift and effective manner and the leader of ANY is well known ingame for his bullying tactics and I think deserves a perma-ban but still you yourself should also seek to protect yourselves from such events, such as again not giving out personal contact details to people you don't trust etc... -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The contact information was given out during a time when they considered jay to be a friend and at the time he was till they left his guild and in such he showed his true colors bulling and harassing them. Anet needs to take a stand and perma ban jay and his accounts his had one perma ban already and is still allowed to be here.KillianHero 18:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Jay has been well known for years for this though. Some of my closest friends on GW were in his guild from the VERY start. As in they helped form ANY together. They left when he tried to make any a faction farming giant and they had to endure months of his name calling for it. In short however you should not give out contact details unless you are REALLY sure of a person. Anet can't protect you from things like that, as that's your own personal choice. However anet can and should action him for sending insulting whispers to people. Although I really think the attempted suicide bit of info is superfluous to the complaint here. Yes it is bad what happened but those events are outside the remit of anet and really can not be put at anyone's feet but the woman in question. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 19:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Just a question: Has anyone contacted the police? I know in the US, many states have strict laws against such things. Missouri recently made it a D class felony. --Dunyas User Dunyas sig.png 19:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I was just about to suggest the same thing as Dunyas. I was away looking up the statutory regulations but without knowing where the lassie is, i'm not sure if I could help. I know Jay either is or used to live in Glasgow (in scotland), I'm based in Edinburgh myself (about 40 miles away)so I know for a fact that Jay's actions are a criminal offence according to our legislation. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 19:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The family of the person who was in the hospial will and may seek law advice for there family memebr that was driven to doing what happened but what we are trying to do is stop the cyber bullying here in game where it needs to be stoped. Jaypac The Celt Of has attacked many people over and like i have said and gotten away with it because useing the /report system seems to do nothing for it. Screenshots of jay belittling people in breakers and other towns, yes i do know other people do the same thign and honestly they should be delt with aswell.KillianHero 20:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I have just run a search using the terms "online harassment" and can see that there is plenty of advice from various organisations on the subject. It's worth having a look through. Also, as some have already pointed out, this bullying has escaped the confines of PlayNC Support's jurisdiction into other means of communication. It strikes me that the terms of use of other companies, like cell phone providers, might have been breached and should be researched if possible. -- WarBlade 22:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Wouldnt it help to allow players to add a reason why they left/ got kicked/promoted? It would stop alot of people (maybe not this case) from taking offense when one person leaves a guild. (Ixillius 23:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC))
HAHAH gaypac --BTR 03:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I am very sorry to read about this situation. I would like to ask that this go directly to support with as many screenshots and details as possible. Such matters are always best coming from the person directly involved, but in this situation I understand that may not be possible. I believe it would be possible for Support to review a report from a third party, especially since you or others may have evidence to support the concerns.

I am not a lawyer, and I would never presume to give advice on legal matters. But it seems to me that threatening or harassing phone calls may be something that the player or her family should report to a local law enforcement agency.

If I learn there are any other suggestions to make about this, I will post again. I do sincerely wish the player all the best. I hope her health improves and that the situation is quickly resolved. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 03:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

As I've mentioned before occasionally, I am Lawyer based in Scotland, which is where Jay is based too. I know according to our legislation that Jay's actions can be considered a criminal act, thus I have to agree with Gaile on this and advise that the individual or the family of the individual, seek legal advice in this instance. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 07:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you gaile ill be sending the screenshots as soon as i can of what hes been doing not only to our friend but others aswell. Anet should have handled this a long time ago but have done nothing tho maybe now after something like this had to happen maybe support will finaly do something and do something RIGHT for a change. Ive spoken with the person who we mentioned above and they are doing better tho if they do fill charges that will be up to them. They have looked at this post and read what everyone has said in there opinions. thanks again gaile hopefully something will be done about this.KillianHero 14:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

If the bully fails to comply with one or more of the rules of conduct it should, according to ArenaNet´s own legal policy and Guild Wars User Agreement, result in the termination of his Guild Wars game account. In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affects his account as stated on the legal support page. If the evidence brought to attention of support is valid and one or more rules are breached....we all can assume support will do as we all can expect they should do. Termination of his account. I hope this will be solved...stop bullies! I would appreciate to hear the outcome as an example for the rest of the world. My two pennies. Didis 15:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of what this guy did or didn't do, his username and guild name don't belong in a public forum. If you have screen shots, then submit them to the Support. If you have evidence of harrassment, then submit to the authorities. However, until there's some sort of proof, parading his name in a well read forum like Gaile:Talk can only serve to hurt his reputation and standing in the community. This thread should be removed, or at the very least, his name changed. Absolut 15:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

This isn't a forum. Mini Me talk 15:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

this is the person that yes tried to commit suicide, however this is a private matter that i am horrified and embarressed more than words could express that this is here. it was one thing to say to the listeners i had on gwradio(as i knew the station was going away)that yes i have cancer and that my shows would be off and on, but is another thing to have this out in the open and also the fact that i tried to end my suffering as well. the things that happened between me and jay are between me and jay. people messenging my phone and leaving sick voice mails saying they are "messages from jay" when they first are not jays way of talking or voice or telephone number are not from him. my cell phone provider has an open case with it. my phone number only a few people in game have. is not something that i ever broadcast. was given to a few people i had thought were friends. lets get something straight i first off didnt try to kill myself because of something jay said or supposidly said. jay and i have both said some very harsh things to eachother but there have been other things involved. people emailing me screen shots that are supposidly shelobs and jay talking in breaker hollow that were doctored. they were fake, something i discovered that day that i did this all it took was looking close at the pixils. dont know why i didnt think to look very close at it before that day.

but other things had been happenening. i was an officer in [any] was offered 10 armbraces to guild kill [any]. i thought it was a joke at first. few days later jay tells me on vent that someone had whispered him saying i was going to kill [any]... now if he had thought that i was going to why would he have told me? and why was i still an officer after that? because he knew me, had heard me say how much i missed my old guild The Moons Rebirth [Luna], that was killed ages ago and never recovered. however after i was not in [any] anymore i got told that he was just testing me finding out if i was loyal. now why would someone do that? to mess with someones head. however i have spoke to jay; tho rightnow i am finding it hard to trust anyone i believe that no he did not do that. there would be no reason for him to.

the biggest part is that jay and i both said some very mean things to eachother. so were we 2 people having a fight for not seeing eye to eye on something? or two people cyber bullying eachother? the "cyberbullying" stuff is quite new laws that are very messy and have not been defined as much as they really should be. people cant have views that are bad about eachother anymore. who knows what ever happened to free speach?

the thing we dont see eye to eye on that started the whole mess is that a guild tag doesnt define who a person is. and i had joined the enemy in not just his eyes but also in the eyes of an alliance that i had been in for a long time. the whispers for me to die from this cancer started after i had admitted to a few people that i had joined [THPK] guild. and had started with one person who had been a friend i had in the alliance. who had asked me if it was true i had joined them and i said yes because not ashamed of it at all, bad placement of that yes do to bad lag and being added to that persons ignore so quickly i could not ever tell them what was going on. the other people who they had come from in game were not names i knew at all. my brothers got some of those while i was in the hospital.

the mean things that were said between me and jay are just that. mean things said because i dont let people tell me who i can and cant be friends with.

my attempt at killing myself has a lot of factors in it. please this should be closed. any further questions that anet have they need to review chat logs and look at screen shots. i will answer any questions that they have for me, as they have my emails they are on my accounts. please leave my situation out of this site.

There are a lot of allegations within stories of this situation. I have no way of knowing what is truth and what is lie, nor can I verify the identity of anyone who claims to be involved. I will archive this, and beg those directly involved to contact support for assistance related to the game issues. Support will be able to pull logs and ascertain whether screenshots are real or fake.
I will encourage Support to give the maximum punishment -- up to and including account termination, depending up on the gravity of the situation -- to anyone involved in harassment, libel, or other attacks upon another player. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Another glitch I had...

Check out this picture, I'm sure you can see what's wrong. 500px--Unendingfear talk 04:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Not a gltich. The young turtles res after the cutscene, but their deaths still count against you.--Pyron Sy 04:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Please, folks, I beg you! This is not the place for bug reports. We have pages for this sort of thing, and I ask that you please go to the ArenaNet Portal Page, find the category, and make your report there. Thank you for your understanding... and your correct placement of reports and articles. ;) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Guildwars servers down

We get error 058 and we are with 8persons are the servers down? 20:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

nvm it is fixed. remove this topic plz. 20:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I will archive to prevent anyone's confusion. Glad things sorted out for you. (A couple of guildies just mentioned they had a Error 7 a few minutes ago, but reconnected right away.) -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

= Skill balancing

Is Izzy still working or is he vacationing in Hawaii or something? Skill balances have stopped to a crawl (ever since the nice and appreciated update in Nov), and Anet doesn't seem to care about the abuse of Shadow form or 600/smiters. It's bad already that we have ONE horribly overloaded and overworked person to balance skills in such a complex game, but now it seems we don't even have that? :( By all means, give the poor man a vacation, but can't he be temporary replaced? 17:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

As you know, Linsey Murdock is the designer handling Guild Wars. Certainly I am not a designer or a skill balances, nor is this is a support-related issue. I imagine the best place for your comments would be the talk pages of the particular skills you are concerned about, or general discussion pages related to skill balancing. Thanks. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate this might be the wrong place, but Linsey says, in short, that she doesn't know or care - I think it was something like "it's not my place to question game philosophy", whatever that means. Izzy is gone, he doesnt contribute to wiki since November and I doubt he reads anything written here, if he ever did much of that - don't blame him, who wants to interact with people who hate him and complain, for the most part? But the sum of the matter is, there is no channel. I appreciate that you can't solve that, and I apologize for cluttering your talk page. It is just frustrating. 19:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand, and I didn't mean to put a roadblock to your expressing yourself, not at all! I just wanted to point you in a direction that would be much more fruitful. Perhaps posting your thoughts on one of the Live Team members talk pages is the best bet, for it seems that everyone associated with that team tends to read those discussion pages, even if they do not post. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
i have been very disappointed with izzys balancing lately gaile, maybe you or regina should take over from him. not only would this free up his time to work on guild wars 2, but i am sure that you would both make extremely capable skill balancers ^_^ 20:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


what the hell is going on? i hear people on GW chat yelling: "don't fire this guy, don't fire that guy, etc. etc." from what I heard NcSoft is going to fire 70 european employees and no american employees. altough I understand that sometimes you need tho save your expenses especially these days. I don't understand why NcSoft bosses abandons europe and is more worried about losing their mercedes and BMW's dan the GW-community. could you please explain a little bit gaile? :( yours sincerly Rhonin Soren 17:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not able to comment on this matter. I would encourage you to review these notes. Thanks for your understanding. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
It's very shocking and sad, that’s certain. I know its very hard to get a new job in England at the moment due to the recession, i feel sorry for the Brighton lot & the other Europeans. Frozenwind 22:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This is just a standard strategy of consolidating your resources and restructuring responsibilities to save on expenditure. Most companies do that in times of economic downturn. And just a side note, the GW community isn't exactly a money-making machine since we're aren't paying subscription. If they're planning on abandoning the game, they would just shut down the servers. They're just cutting costs. -- User Sig.png 06:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Master Togo

Hi Gaile...I wanted to mention that I'm in the Vinuzah Square mission, and after 2 attempts to complete it, Master Togo has bugged near the doorway after the first area and will not move. Please help!! I reported this to Kim Chase as well, but I thought I'd mention it to you too.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 05:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

It happened to me too once. And on a side note, on HM, the henchmen have a hard time keeping Master Togo alive (in fact, the mission often fails before we get there with Mhenlo). 06:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I was monking so him being alive wasn't the issue. On the first run he stood in the doorway. On the second run he stood a bit away from the doorway. On the 3rd attempt, he stood near the door for about 5-7 mins. after killing the group after the first cinematic before he moved and the mission continued. We didn't get masters because of it.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 07:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Other missions got something the same, bv a ghost who is stuck behind chests etc^^, really ahrd to fixed those think. I guess you need to repeat the mission if it happens. Death Slighertalk: Death Sligher 17:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I think Kim Chase left a note about that and it was that easy to fix according to what i have seen :( For now, best is 1) to watch having Togo and Mhenlo close together when they start to talk again 2) If you use 1 MM or more Minions Masters, make sure you flag them to the opposite side (flag the doors when area is clear) so NPC won't heal them too much 3) If any of the 2 NPC are stuck, get them back quick making sure 1 NPC follows you so you can fix the problem. Davor Belegnaur 18:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
If you have mentioned this to Kim, and she's responded, then I'm sure this is being addressed just fine. If it is a support issue, and Support needs to be aware of the situation or the potential fixes, I am sure that Kim will let the team and me know about it. Thanks a lot. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 04:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Joining ArenaNet

Hi Gaile!

I want to work with ArenaNet, in any role I can, and as soon as possible. I live in Australia, but I am seriously prepared to fly across and work for the best company in the world. It's something I have set my heart on doing, whatever it takes.

Are there any junior/assistant positions available? Is there room for a bright, passionate Aussie in the ArenaNet team? I'll do anything you'll let me - I have some experience in Community websites, Web development, Print graphics, Customer Service, Sales, Marketing, and Administration.

I'd love to talk with someone - e-mail, IM, phone or video - about what I can do for ArenaNet.

Thanks for listening :)


Shaun Norton Email:

(I have posted this to a few other ANet User pages in the hope of hearing back from someone :) Shaun Norton 11:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this is the correct place to ask for a job interview, maybe check out this link <<clicky>> and good luck with the interviews ;-) --User Tribina base.png (Tribina / talk) 16:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shaun. I'm really sorry, and with all kind intent, the wiki is a very poor place to inquire about this. (And it's not a good idea to post the same thing on multiple staff members' pages, as that takes valuable time from several busy people.) Please do see the Jobs pages that Tribina so kindly linked, and good luck! -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Festival Hat Request

Gaile, where would someone go to request the hat that the canthan peasants wear in Divine Path (after killing shiro) as a feasitval hat? Pkohler01 01:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Normally I would point towards the Suggestions Page. However, that page being in transition, I guess I would suggest you hold onto the idea until the new, improved Suggestions System is in place. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Gaile! Pkohler01 00:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok I've Had It...Time TO Suggest This!

Gaile, Today I looked at my almost 100% complete maps on all three continents and im a telling you. It Looks like they are 40% done! Arenanet needs to solve this problem at least to a degree. Add some bonus thing of some sort. Idc make it a bonus pack, just try to add like 5 explorable areas. With new quests and beasts. If you need ideas I have them for you and Anet. 1.Make The Area North Of Minister Cho's Estate. You Could Call It Spiyang Shore. 2.Make The Area South Of Lahtenda Bog. You Could Call It The Swampy Peaks. 3.Make The Area North-East Of Dalada Uplands. You Could Call It Mordok Gorges. 4.Make The Area South Of Talus Chute. You Could Call It The Ice Arc. 5.Make The Area North Of Fort Ranik(Pre-Searing) It will later be the second mission.Make Sure to add the serenity temple to it, though make it like piken(inactive to pre). You could call it pockmark hills. Ok You don't have to take me seriously. I know you guys are busy, but you could add these in July's big update. 12:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, as someone who has managed to pull off Legendary Cartographer (without resorting to third party programs) and knowing legions of other players have maxed it as well, I'd say there really is no precedent to expand the map further. I'd suggest reviewing Cartographer for tips on completing that title for starters and maybe confer with other cartographers out there for further advice and possibly assistance. -- WarBlade 12:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the OP was referring to major parts of the continents being left visually unexplorable (from a bird-eye view of the whole continent). It is doubtful the developers will spend any time adding more explorable content to this game. 12:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
There's an FAQ about this exact thing on Linsey's talk. The answer is "No." User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpgRose Of Kali 19:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
As rose said, answer is no and simply put this isnt the place for suggestions. The map area is fine as it is and their is no need for extra areas anyway. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 18:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Gaile. Please, I beg you, reconsider your decision.

Incident: 090421-001622 And beforehand, I just want to say THANK YOU so much for your help in the matter... You have no idea how depressed I am over this right now. --Uchiha Lena

There is no reason to post the same thing here and on the support page, the latter is enough. Also, why should she reconsider? A decision was made, whatever it was, and usually reconsideration of such decisions requires a good reason. User Rose Of Kali SIG.jpgRose Of Kali 01:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

cryway and RoJ

im told theese are gettin buffed and im told there gettign nerfed when and what are they goign to do to theese over powered skills--Lord randy taylor 03:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Gaile does not work directly with the game, especially not with game mechanics. You might want to ask Linsey, even though she probably can't tell you anything at this time. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 03:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

please answer me

gaile i left a post on your support page and i'm waiting to take any action pending your respose...i know you've been on since you've posted response's in other area's since my post...Fate1985 08:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this a little phallic?

Or do i have a dirty mind? User Adrin Tormented Ballsacks.jpg --adrin User Adrin ecto sig.png 00:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

*Suppresses pun* I would say you have a slightly dirty mind. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 01:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I think thats taking it a bit extreme. And boy, is there a pun I want to use.... --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 02:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
If you'd like to discuss art for a particular area, please feel free to do so in the appropriate discussion page for that area. I don't see where's it's necessary or appropriate here. Thanks for understanding. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Per the archive of a recent section

By all means, I could be wrong in the way I'm thinking, but I think it would be safer to keep this on the support issues page, but include a {{move|to}} template to show where the discussion has gone? I'm not sure if starting a new discussion would be more plausible, but personally I thought the section would be moved to a proper page (I.E. Talk:Domain of Pain instead of archived where it could not be discussed. Again, I could be wrong in this, so if I am, promptly ignore me and I'll shut up. :) --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 02:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there are two options, WT. I could take the time to move it a different place on the wiki, or I could simply move it off my active pages and suggest that those interested in the topic are welcome to create a topic in the proper place. My page is busy, and it is time consuming to shuffle things off to the right spots, although that is what I do most of the time.
Quite frankly, given the source and the topic, it felt a bit like mild harassment, heckling, whatever. It's certainly not a "Support Issue," is it? Being the wrong topic for my userspace, I moved it to the holding page I created for misplaced topics. However, you are more than welcome to move it to wherever you feel it would be most properly placed. Thanks. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 02:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Makes sense to me. Thinking about it, it did seem a bit on edge and harrassing. I'll abide by that then. Thanks for the clarification. :) --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 03:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Certain Elite GuildWars website... does NOT deserve elite status.

Alrighty, I'm sure you love the website as well as myself, but guildwarsguru does NOT deserve elite status. I'm officially fed up with everything they get away with, and the constant abuse. First off... what kind of elite fansite has advertisements out the ass? They have ad's EVERYWHERE, even popups, and when I click certain threads I'm forced to wait 10 seconds and stare at an ad while I wait. They offer to get rid of the ad's if you pay them a monthly fee... isn't guildwars based upon not having monthly fee's? Why should the number 1 elite fansite require you to pay a fee to not be bombarded with ads. Secondly, their mods/admins are abusive and unfair. I was banned from their IRC because one of the mod's just plain old doesn't like me. Then, when I posted a thread today on guru a mod closed the thread and left "Still an HA shitter I see". Why do I need to be called a "shitter" by their staff? This is ridiculous, discrimination and sterotyping should not happen from your number 1 fansite. I would like to see them put on fansite probation or w/e like guildwiki was put on for having gold selling ads. Thanks alot <3--'ÑöĭƑýtalk 02:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

That wouldn't be very nice. Because even if Guru later cleaned up their act, they would never get their status back. I mean, GuildWiki hasn't had gold selling ads for a long time now, but do we get our status back? No... Vili 点 User talk:Vili 03:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The type of elite fansite that has ads is the type that has a massive viewer/userbase that are all too stingy to pay for a membership, so the only way to keep it running is advertising. As for the moderators, if you have a problem, take it up with their site administration. Guild Wars Guru fulfills all the requirements of an Elite Fansite as laid out by ArenaNet. Also, this is NOT a support issue, it is a Community issue, so it's Martin and Regina that should/would be addressing it, not Gaile. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 03:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Guild Wars Guru fulfills all the requirements of an Elite Fansite as laid out by ArenaNet. Orly?
Quoted directly from The Expectations section:
All fansites in the Guild Wars Community Fansite Program member site must agree to the following:
  • To assure that site content reflects positively upon the company and the game.
  • To moderate forums and live chat rooms to enforce reasonable behavior standards
Not that anybody cares though, considering the standard(or lack thereof) of moderation found in these sites for an obscenely long time. Pika Fan 03:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I got spyware twice off guru. I refuse to visit it. --adrin User Adrin ecto sig.png 05:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) I don't understand the point you are trying to make Pika, we do our best to assure the site content reflects positively on the company and the game, however, just as here on the Official Wiki, it's impossible for us to control all forum posts by everyone that is somehow dissatisfied, however offending threads are closed/deleted all the time.
We do moderate our IRC and Forums to enforce a reasonable behavior standard by users, just ask those that have suffered bans.
Just what part of that expectation are you claiming GuildWarsGuru is failing to meet?
@Adrin, I've never gotten spyware off of Guru and I'm there EVERYDAY, learn to protect your computer properly and use reasonable security protocols, and you wouldn't either. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 05:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
@Noxify, as a user who has multiple violations of GWGuru rules, you should be more concerned about your own behavior. As an admin on GWGuru, I am concerned by the actions of a few of our moderators, and they are being dealt with accordingly (my concerns that is), but again, that is something that needs to be done by GWGuru, not ArenaNet. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 05:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
@Wyn, shut the :) up. Guru is a corrupted site, your admins (including you) are complete shit. And now your showing people private details only available to admins? What if i didnt want people to know ive had violations? You just added to the list. Not only does guru have: Abusive admins, retarded ads that advertise other games and give Inde $9000 a month, they also have admins that leak personal information. This site needs to be taken off the list, this kind of stuff cant go on.--'ÑöĭƑýtalk 05:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I've gotten spyware off of Guru as well from all of the pop up ads on both my home computer and my work computer to where I don't go on it anymore either.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 05:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
If you'd rather, I can post your ban log from the wiki that EVERYONE here has access to. I just wanted to make sure everyone here understood that this complaint is coming from someone who is simply incapable of following the rules. And Yasmin.. what I said to Adrin. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 05:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
In other words, people who don't expect guru to give them spyware and plan accordingly deserve to have their security compromised? I wouldn't expect that kind of thing from an elite fansite. I've actually also gotten spyware (and once a trojan horse) from visiting guru. 05:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Any site on the internet that hosts ads is vulnerable to the kinds of issues you are presenting. I'm only saying that I have never gotten spyware from Guru, so there are ways to prevent it that don't include not going there. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 05:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Adrin is a certified IT professional who builds, repairs and services computers in the real-world my dear. As such, you may rest assured he knows full well how to protect and handle computers. Thank you for the assuption that he does not.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 05:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Protip: Stop digging. King Neoterikos 05:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
My point is, wyn, Guru contains spyware. Regardless if a computer is protected or not, the fact remains that it is an ad plagued spyware filled site. Best way to avoid spyware is not to go to it at all. --adrin User Adrin ecto sig.png 05:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. Regardless of whether we know how to handle it or not, there are plenty of users who don't. On the other hand, Nox's complaints against the mod staff and whatever should be addressed on guru or IRC or something. 06:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
All but one instance of the spyware on Guru has come from the ads, and is being dealt with through the ad providers, the other was something that even Symantec had happen to them, and I think they are as qualified as they come in issues of security. I too am a certified IT professional. I'm simply saying that the issues that Noxify is complaining about is something that can't be handled by ArenaNet, and the spyware issues are something that any website that hosts ads can be vulnerable to. It does not change the fact that GuildWars Guru does technically meet the standards set out by ArenaNet in their Fansite listing program. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 06:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Coming from a representative of GWG, of course you would adamantly defend it. So basically you decided that ad hominem attacks here a user who has ******** infractions of GWGuru rules would prove a point. Yes it did, but not the point you wanted to prove. Try harder. Also, moderators closing threads with a reply of "HA shitter" pretty much doesn't qualify as reasonable behavioural standards. But as I said, nobody cares, probably every official fansite has no reasonable behavioural standards. Pika Fan 06:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I can think of one. It starts with g and ends with wiki. King Neoterikos 06:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Adrin is correct, I've gotten at least 3 times from guru. Also, to go along with the abusive admin shit, happens on the wiki too. The OP of this thread just got a 9 month ban... for making this thread. lol
As I said Pika, there are some moderator actions that I have concerns with as an administrator of the site, and they are being address in an appropriate manner in the appropriate place (which isn't the wiki). I'm certainly not saying that Guru is perfect, we are as concerned as anyone with the instances of breaches and are handling them as fast and efficiently as we can. I also apologize to Noxify if he thinks that I overstepped by making it known that he has the same history of bad behavior on Guru that he does here. Just putting verifiable facts on the table. Also, the elite fansite expectations are that we moderate "to enforce reasonable behavior standards", it makes no requirement of how that enforcement is carried out. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 07:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about guru, but on most forums I visit they'd actually have your head for giving out information like that, Wyn, simply because it undermines the site's privacy policy and therefore destroys the trust users put into the operators of that site. User Xelonir sig.pngXelonir 10:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
So basically according to you, GWG wants "to enforce reasonable behavior standards" by insulting and making ad-hominem attacks on users, abeit users with records? Pretty insightful way of (mis)interpreting what "to enforce reasonable behavior standard" entails and requires. Pika Fan 11:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Noxify, if there are any questions or concerns you can feel free to contact me by email at or through IRC. I'm usually on as some version of Inde. You can also contact me by PM on the Guru forums and I can answer and address any problems you have. I work with a lot of users one-on-one and am always there to address your concerns.Inde 17:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I always see Guru discussions and know its going to blow up but Wyn, what the hell? Over-step the mark much? Personally, I don't venture on to Guru after getting a message on my screen that is an attack site and prior to that my computer detected spyware. 20:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I apologize, you are all correct, I did exactly what I shouldn't have. I'm as human as the next, and should not post at 4 am. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 21:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC) (Reset indent) I would like to point out that Wyn, abusing her admin privlages on the wiki as WELL as guru has deleted the innapropriate post she posted in this thread. The post contained personal information of NoXiFy's that is only available to admins on the guru. This shows a complete lack of trust from the guru staff, you cant trust them with ANYTHING because they will show the rest of the world what's going on! <3 Someone thats not nox because nox is banned by abusive wiki admins --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

She didn't delete her wiki post, she modified it and also Nox's post. I think Wyn conducted herself in bad form, of course, but she has accepted what she had done was wrong, apologised and adjusted it so the personal information was re-worded. Though, can easily be found when looking in the history. Can we drop that part of the conversation now, please? 23:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Furyan, as a sysop, she also removed those two entries from the history, so said personal information has been perminately stricken from the wiki entirely. I too need to stop wiking at half past way freakin early in the morning. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 06:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
That was my intention, however 000 is right, it is still appearing in history, so I will have to figure out how to make that go away as well. I have apologized, and will get it deleted. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 06:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I quoted you as well, please hide that at the same time.Pika Fan 07:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The two options I'm aware of are deleting the entire article then restoring only revisions that don't include the information, or oversight deletion, a tool which isn't necessarily available; I don't know how GWW metes out its big guns. 07:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
It's possible, I just need to wait for poke because it is not something I have done in a case like this where there were so many revisions between the original post and now. I will take care of it. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 07:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I'm awfully sorry, but this page really isn't the best place to have this discussion and I probably need to archive this very soon. I can say a few things, though, as neutrally as possible, for it's not my place to make any sort of official decision or pronouncement about this: Yes, issues with some advertisements on Guild Wars Guru have been reported to Support and others in the company. Yes, ArenaNet has contacted the site admins a few times about the matter. No, I don't know how the issues will be resolved, nor how they would/will affect the site's status in the fansite program. And... that's pretty much all I know as of this evening, although I will try to learn more and will respond if it's appropriate for me to do so.

But again, I feel this isn't the place to discuss the matter. I suggest that you contact a member of the Community Team through the wiki or via an email to Thanks for understanding that I'm not trying to dodge the issue or decline to help, but that I want to let you know where to go for the assistance you desire. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 07:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, kick Build Wars Guru n00b off the fansite list entirely. They don't screen their ads to they spawn popups and spyware, Firefox has blocked them as a hacksite before, the staff/admins at Build Wars n00b are completely useless trolls asking for soap-flavored mouthwash. 02:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

i have to Agree Guru sucks its not helpfull ads wont stop and spywares a pain to get rid of, last time i went i tryed to close it but it was throwing up ads like they were going out of style, the secodn i signed up i started getting loads of spam mail, serious its got an undeserved status--Lord randy taylor 05:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Guru isn't the best place, the members aren't the best. Some moderators act like kids. But hey, those people are found everywhere. If you don't like them, just don't be around them yourself. I personally like Guru as it is one of only two fan sites that have a lore forum out of ALL those websites, even non-english, that I can tell, only Guru and GWO have lore forums. And as the lore community isn't that great, I think having guru on the list would be best for that part of the community. I know people will say "who gives the f*** about the lore loving nubs" or something. And yes, one thing is not a reason to keep a not-the-best fan-site off the fansite list completely. Perhaps reduce it from elite but not reduce it completely. I don't mind that. If you have a complaint about individuals, take it up with Inde over there, with evidence of any bad actions they did. If you for some reason get a virus, get better anti-virus. I've been going there for nearly 2 years and I never got a virus. If you hate the site, don't go there. Doesn't mean just because you dislike doesn't mean everyone dislikes it and that it should be removed from the fan-site list. Either way, I'll just close with this sentence: Grow up you little pansies. Thanks for reading, have a nice day. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 05:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Nope. They are listed as an ELITE fansite, therefore they are expected to follow a relatively strict code of conduct (any admins/moderators there who spew out swearwords while banning people for nothing can go eat a bar of soap) and they are supposed to keep their site free of viruses/spyware/malware. Both of which they have completely failed to do. Therefore they should lose their elite status. There is no excuse for such crap from any fansite.
Stfu, pansies are pretty when small. Pika Fan 18:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

How about explaining what makes false statements as well as accusations of misconduct and wrong-doing an attack? When your under attack, you have to cover yourself from all directions, or they are going to find a flaw in your defence and rip you to peices. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 19:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

How is making a false statement -- lying about someone's actions -- not a personal attack? The people under attack do not have to "cover themslves." What sort of a community would that be, where anyone is free to post lies, false accusations, and bogus "evidence" of misbehavior, and then tell others, "you are required to make a response?" Any member of the Wiki simply needs to point out the accusations, explain that they are inaccurate, and let the ArbComm action proceed. At that time, wiki administrators can weigh whether such statements constitute personal attacks, and what the outcome of that would be.
Keep in mind -- whether something is or is not a personal attack can be judged, in part, by the intentions behind the statements. Publicly accusing someone of cheating in the game -- when the matter has been investigated and found to be untrue -- is intentionally attempting to damage that person's reputation. I'm pretty sure that nearly everyone would agree that this would be a personal attack. I'm also pretty sure that the wiki community would not expect any contributor to run after every disproved accusation and make a protestation of innocence. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I must confess my confusion when I went to check on a topic I had posted in a scant two hours previously and found it to have disappeared from this page. That aside, I wanted to clear up a point I, regrettably, left unclear: When I said "While I think Shard's being an idiot here...", I meant "here" to mean "in this thread". That was a direct response to your comment of "In my opinion you have engaged in yet another personal attack."
Furthermore, while I did not define what a personal attack was (and, as a side note, think the entire idea of the NPA policy is a load of trash and thus will not be making my own definition of a personal attack any time soon), my examples were taken directly from the wiki's policy page. If you think this definition of a personal attack is too limited, I encourage you to discuss this and attempt to change the policy. If you choose to do so, I wish you the best of luck; I have no desire to make that policy work, as I outlined above, and thus will likely not be assisting you in trying to change it. (If you do decide to present a case, however, and would like my thoughts, I encourage you to leave me a message on my talk page.)
-- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 20:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
@Gaile: Hold it right there. Who are you to say what someone's intentions HAVE to be when your not them, not inside their mind, and don't have all the fact? Also, while a lie is always a false statement, a false statement is NOT always a lie. Lieing requires intent to deceive. I'm here to challange what you believe to be other's intentions behind their words. Also, you still haven't addressed accusations of misconduct and wrong-doing, despite the fact that I am unsatisfied with your explenation of how a false statement constitues a personal attack. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 20:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Let me note here that no one is required to answer anything, whether it is posted on their talk page or not. Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Forgive me for sticking my nose in randomly, but I have to ask, Jon, how is spreading false statements not a personal attack? Especially in an attempt to belittle/discredit someone? Claiming that he was only banned because Gaile wanted him banned (implying she's vindictive and petty), implying that she's a hypocrite here, [3], and those are only a couple links. Implication plays just as big a role as intent, and it's a lot easier to read implication than try to understand someone's intent. False statements, whether known to be false or not, made in an attempt to belittle and insult someone's character, are personal attacks. Elysea User Elysea ElyseaSignatureImage.jpg 20:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Bringing up "false statements" in any discussion concerning Gaile is super ironic. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk).
I think Jon's point was more that false statements aren't personal attacks in and of themselves (my eyes are red and my hair is purple; is that a personal attack?), but people seem to be forgetting that things aren't right just because they're not personal attacks. The world is not, in fact, black and white - a fact I know I have trouble remembering at times, and evidently I'm not the only one. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 20:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
@Armond: the policy states "include but are not limited to" so it's clearly a part of the defenition of personal attacks, but it also leaves room for other kinds of personal attacks. Gaile called an arbcomm because she feels that the baseless accusations are a form of personal attacks, and I agree with her. 20:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure you'll agree, however, that something is not a personal attack simply because it is not on that list. In my opinion, many people seem to be of the mindset that if they don't like what someone says about them, it must be a personal attack; food for thought. Also food for thought is the fact that the list on the policy page only covers extreme events. I feel that many people claim "personal attack" when there is none, yet the accused has still stepped outside the boundaries of politeness and may deserve a block nonetheless. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 21:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

*Disclaimer* This is NOT an attempt to save, clear, or make the offending parties any more innocent, I have my own words for them when the time comes. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 21:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

@Elysea: How is spreading false statements a personal attack? Is has little to do with the fact that it's false, and more to do with the content. Also, just because it's false does not mean it was intended to discredit and/ot belittle someone. I know a small number of the offending parties and trust me when I say their words were not spoken with malicous intent. Stating and bringing character flaws into the light and addressing them is also not always a personal attack by nature. If that were the case, out justice system would be screwed, people would never be aware of their character flaws, and the world as we know it would have gone to Hell a long, long time ago. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 22:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
@Armond: You made an excellent point, and my mistake, I should have clarified. Spreading falsehoods like your hair is purple or I'm really right-handed aren't personal attacks, but what Gaile is having to endure, IMHO, is. You said it better than I did, and that was my mistake. I should have said, "... how, in this case, is spreading false statements..."
@Jon: I appear to have misspoken and/or not made myself clear. Like Armond said, just saying that someone has purple hair isn't a personal attack just because it's false, but in this case? With how Shard is treating Gaile? The attacks are personal. You have to look at the implication of the falsehood, since we cannot determine intent. Bringing up character flaws, by itself, isn't always a personal attack. If I say, "John Doe drinks too much," by itself, it isn't a personal attack. Put in context and implication. If I say, "John Doe drinks too much," in a community dedicated to helping recovering alcoholics, it's a far different situation than saying the same thing in the middle of an argument with John Doe where everyone knows you have a personal issue with him. Did that make sense? I hope, I'm having a horrid time with cognitive thought at the moment. Elysea User Elysea ElyseaSignatureImage.jpg 22:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, yay! A semantics argument! :D
The first issue is pretty monumental, and that is that there is no clear, given definition of a personal attack:
"There is no clearly defined rule or standard about what constitutes a personal attack" -GWW:NPA.
Without that definition, it's pretty bloody difficult to decide what is and is not an attack. However, here are some things for consideration:
  • Without malicious intent, there cannot be an attack. Of any sort.
  • "Always assume, if no evidence exists to the contrary, that the intentions behind an edit are in good faith." -GWW:AGF
This may be the interwebs, but on this wiki, the policy is "innocent until proven guilty". So yes, the onus does, in fact, rest on Gaile to prove that the "falsehoods" (is there any proof that they're false documented?) were, in fact, posted out of ill will. Without such proof, not only does she not have a real case, but she's doing the exact same thing that she's accusing Shard of.
I'd just hate to see "policy being upheld" when there isn't, in fact, any infraction of policy. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 23:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I've spoken to a number of the offenders and a small number of people very close to them and can say first hand that there was no malicous intent. Yes, their presentation was poor and flawed (and I, along with others close to them have had their words with them concerning this), but they were after improvement, not destruction. From my end it seems as if Gaile is fighting what looks like fire with a different color of fire. Something I expect to NEVER see from support personnel. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 00:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
What has happened here? --Tha Reckoning 00:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I think this is really just a misunderstanding tbh. I can understand where Gaile is coming from because if you look at him at just this small little slice of the Wiki, I'm sure he comes off as your typical troll and she's really just replying as if he were one, but even tho I don't talk to him outside of Wiki or anything, from just seeing his talk page and other people's talk pages, it's clear he's not really a troll he just has a very, uh, unique way of getting his point across, it's just one that kind of conflicts with a lot of people, but he doesn't really do it on purpose or mean to deceive anyone (hence it's not lying). For what it's worth, he has posted screens of people admitting to buying gold in-game, but he doesn't seem very willing to accept that there's shades of gray in the world. DarkNecrid 04:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Who are you talking about? --Tha Reckoning 04:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the shades of gray that support has to deal with, and if support says a certain person didn't buy gold, I can only assume he hasn't (or he was one of those special cases). It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would not commit a violation and then brag about committing it (and then get nervous enough to mouth off to me in my own vent).
I've seen first-hand and second-hand countless cases where people who know developers are given special perks, and it's very unprofessional to do so. I'm not accusing Gaile of this, but I think whoever leaks other peoples' support tickets out to random players should be found and fired immediately. I also think the "we're not punishing them for X because it wasn't clear enough in the EULA" garbage needs to stop. As pathetic as the EULA is, it's really all they have, and selectively following it with whoever they choose whenever they choose is not professional in the slightest. I'm no more or less of an end user than anyone else here. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 05:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
'Quote from Raine: the policy is "innocent until proven guilty". Well, that's exactly what's happening here. Shard posts many accusations, but he never backs them up with proof. As is the case with the little story above this post, he again discredits Anet, and Gaile's integrity, without so much as a single shred of proof. He only provided proof ONCE, and clearly indicated that those that would read it were morons. I read the story, and in it was little proof and a lot of stories, again questioning the behaviour of players with little to no evidence. That's harassment, it discredits the people in question without them having a chance to defend against it (they can only say it's not true, since there is no real evidence to begin with). 06:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
"Fighting what looks like fire with a different color of fire" is an epic metaphor. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 06:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate to derail all the wikilawyers on this page, but ArbComms are not restricted by policy. Arbitration can act in cases where no policy has been breached in order to remove or reduce disruption or solve user disputes. As such, spending time defining a personal attack for this case is an exercise in futility as it has limited relevance. I won't say no relevance, as generally speaking policy should be respected during arbitration, but it is one of the least important considerations. This strikes me as the kind of discussion that should be occurring here, where evidence can be presented and countered. Misery 06:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

All policies on this wiki should be taken in the spirit they were written and intended rather than the words they were written with. We have specifically refrained from defining lists of what is/is not a personal attack and left it to the community and the discretion of the sysops and Bureaucrats to determine what does and does not violate GWW:NPA. I believe the case has been made by many members of the community that many of the types of accusations that have been made against Gaile would, in the real world, constitute libel given the amount of evidence that has been provided to back them up. Everyone also needs to realize that while Gaile is a member of ArenaNet staff, this is actually her personal userspace here on GWW, and she has the rights and protections of every other member of this community. She has asked repeatedly for Shard and others to stop posting these types of things, especially after she has already answered questions to the fullest extent she is allowed, and Shard in particular has failed to do so, simply because he is not personally satisfied with the answer given. There is a point where anyone here can simply refuse to continue a conversation, especially in their own userspace. They should not be made the target of further harassment and abuse because of it. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 06:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm still amused that someone who bragged about buying ingame gold for real money is not banned. But still: Shard give us more screens. The more evidence the better. --Boro 10px‎ 08:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
You want the shovel I was using? ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 08:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
If it actually proves your point then yes. --Boro 10px‎ 08:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
"Gaile would, in the real world, constitute libel given the amount of evidence that has been provided to back them up. " Wynn how is something libel with evidence to back statements up? I'm not talking about what the specific evidence is, just your statement in general. ~>Sins WDBUser The Sins We Die By Sig.png 08:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
(reset indent) Who are you talking about Boro? Without names, all I can think of is Wasabi, and both he and Gaile have stated that he didn't buy any gold. 15:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I was talking about a player named Fall. --Boro 10px‎ 15:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Even with the matter of the attacks on certain players in arbitration, my page continues to be used to malign them. Read this carefully: Support has cleared these individuals of wrongdoing. The team reviewed each report and came to a decision; I was not involved in any way. None of those mentioned has been found by multiple team reviews to require blocking, banning, or even warning, as far as I know. The repeated, false accusations need to stop. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone with something to say on the matter at hand may place it on the arbitration page. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 18:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Suspicious video

[4]--Unendingfear User Unendingfear Crane.jpg 14:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL. That was one pathetic attempt at stealing accounts.-- Shew talk 15:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
What is worse, posting it here will almost certainly ensure that some one will try it "just to see if it 'might' be true". Biz 18:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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My Account Ban

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And I had just said I'd never go back to Blizzard...

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Need help fast!

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Thought I'd post it here too...

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Racial slurs??

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