User talk:Raine Valen/Build/Gankwars

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I'm liking this build so far, but there's a lack of spike damage at stand, which makes it difficult to split - remember, this build is designed around a dedicated split - due to lack of pushing power with either assassin away from the stand. So I'm going to do a bit of a redesign, with more spike assist on more characters. We'll see how things go tonight; I'll update the build then. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 00:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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Is a much better Wastrel's Collapse bar imo Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 19:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Twisting Fangs has a 15s recharge; what is a sin supposed to do while that's recharging? Autoattack? User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 19:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually Wastrel's Collapse has 20 second recharge and you don't want to shock constantly so it doesn't matter Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 19:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The reason why I prefer this build is basicly the utility it packs,how easy it survives (it doesnt need anything supporting it) and the fact that its chain is small thus you save a slot for IAS and you aren't loleasy interrupted (your investing 7 skills for your chain) Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 19:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
My bar has both IAS and IMS, it kills NPCS in 5 seconds, it can quarterknock (which prevents interrupts), etc. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 19:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
My bar doesn't need IAS,It kills npc's quickly enough ,It can quarterknock (has a knockdown on command,ALWAYS!),It can int,... TBH with that flagger it would indeed be better to run a instagib sin but that bar i meh at best :/ You are also relying on the fact that they don't split back a thing Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 06:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It's a dedicated split; that's why there's two WoH monks. So I'm really not at all relying on them not splitting anything. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 18:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
That doesn't mean the sinbar is good for its niche.Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
For ganking NPCs and harrassing (by which I mean killing instantly) flaggers, it's really ideal. For a utility split character, we have a ranger, who's always been great in that role. For actually killing shit, this build works wonders. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 21:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
IMO you a) underestimate this build and b) overestimate your build in its specific niche.If you rly want to run a instagib build there are much better ones out there (that don't use MoI) Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 11:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
HotO is unreliable, especially if the other team knows you're running it. Also, using that combo doesn't apply DW at the start of the combo. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 19:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Your combo is even more unreliable if the opponent knows your running it ? TBH your in a ganksit what are they going to ? stand next to a npc ? Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 19:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
You can apply MoI between WC and Twisting Fangs and still quarterknock with it, tbh. However, that's only necessary at the stand because *no one has hex removal on splits*.
And yes, people will stand next to NPCs on splits if they know that it stops you from killing them. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 19:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
[EDIT]: you lose your qknock like that.

TBH I don't know why you would run wastrel + WoH monk :/ A ether prism + gale ele looks much better especially if your going to instagib Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 20:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you want your only source of split healing building up exhaustion? :/ User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 20:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
You don't use it just to start the chain.I mean you use a sin that can chain without it but imo you can never have to many knockdowns Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 20:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)