Talk:Base camping

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First pass at reconciling the two versions of the articles

Tried to make the original article shorter and easier to read without losing too much information. Tried to improve the newer version. Added an explanation as to the differences between the two versions.

This article will require more work I think.

I believe it's valuable to include both the GW slang and more historic versions of the word "turtling". The common use in GW version should be given some precedence because this is a GW wiki (just as "variant" builds should fall under more common builds, rather than being presented first, even if they are more effective or even older.)--Drekmonger 07:50, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I think it's important to write an article that is about turtling is the context of GW PvP. Information about what ancient romans were doing is just dandy, but absolutely irrelevant to the context of this article. It should have one line in a notes section down the bottom, not several explanatory paragraphs rivaling the relevant definition for size. The section on PvE strategy is again not relevant, it should have a See Also PvE strategy line. The new version of the main definition is pretty good, it could stand alone.Cantos 15:16, 16 February 2007 (PST)

There is currently only one sentence that mentions the Romans. The rest of that section mentions a recognizable Guild Wars strategy. I will now put this article out of its misery by moving the text to base camping and deleting all mention of turtling. S 15:35, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I do not recognize the described strategy, and it certainly has nothing to do with turtling in common GW vernacular. Could you explain why a common term, widely understood, should redirect to page with a different name? This wiki is not an appropriate venue for semantics crusades. Cantos 16:15, 16 February 2007 (PST)

I fail to understand why turtling redirects to this page. The term base camping is used far less frequently than turtling. Turtling = holing up in your base and waiting for your enemies to leave. Really, the Roman technique was inappropriately named, as turtles never pulled their limbs in then attacked. I really think this is the case of a user having historical knowledge and thinking that it's really important to somehow display that. The last thing this wiki needs is pages about 'spiking historically meant to drive a spike through someone's leg, and the GvG term is inaccurate, thus we have redirected spiking to countdown' or other similar crap.--Trevor Reznik 08:39, 17 February 2007 (PST)

This is ridiculous. The wiki should not be about what you think the term should be called, or what it was called in previous games, but rather about what it is called in Guild Wars, which is turtling. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Wise .

I agree with Wise -FireFox 08:45, 17 February 2007 (PST)

sometimes called turltling -> always called turtling.--Narcism 10:54, 17 February 2007 (PST)

Move to turtling would be best. No one calls this "Base Camping". — Rapta (talk|contribs) 11:06, 17 February 2007 (PST)

In common gaming vernacular, turtling and base camping are effectively opposites: if I turtle, I'm hiding in my base (people say this in most real-time strategy games, e.g. Starcraft). If I base camp, I'm sitting next to yours (common FPS slang). — 130.58 (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2007 (PST)

This is a Guild Wars wiki, not a gaming vernacular. :) --Narcism 11:51, 17 February 2007 (PST)

How the heck did that particular definition stick, anyway? Just wonderin'. — 130.58 (talk) 12:15, 17 February 2007 (PST)

pvp players gaming backgrounds are typically not mud's or other mmorpgs. --Narcism 13:08, 17 February 2007 (PST)

"Base camping" comes from team-based first-person shooters (which are like PvP, in many ways). The idea is to contain the enemy team in their starting location by putting a lot of pressure on them, ideally racking up a few kills and then taking advantage of the disorganization of a staggered respawn. Imagine what AB would be like if Base Defenders didn't exist.

Though you're right... the term "camping" exists in older MMOGs, where players would sit on one location and farm monsters as they respawned over and over again. I hadn't even thought about it because GW is so unlike those other games. — 130.58 (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2007 (PST)