User talk:Eryk

Collector models

Hullo, Eryk. Was just wondering, why are you changing the images for some of the collectors from the existing shared model renders (e.g. as you did at Alton Thorne and Ashram Fenn)? --Dirigible 19:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I just sent you an email on the matter, not sure which will reach you first. I'm just trying to keep things uniform - I'm actually on my way to take the needed screenshots right now. Just thought of something tho... which is better in uniform, having a screenshot of all the collectors, or having all the collectors point to the render? Eryk 20:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, these guys seem to be of the opinion that having all collector images pointing to the renders is better than screenshots taken by players. Those images are being supplied by an ANet staff member (Emily Diehl, who also did all the armor renders) so that they can be used for this purpose on the wiki. And I'd personally agree with that, it seems to me that the renders are overall better than any screenshots could be.

If you think otherwise and disagree, then it's probably a good idea to bring this up for discussion somewhere (here, maybe?) so that others can chip in, because right now the guys in that project and you are working in opposite directions. --Dirigible 20:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I see... I was unaware that this was the policy. I didn't see anything about it in the Image Formatting or the NPC Formatting guidelines, so I didn't know. I'll change 'em back, sorry for the confusion Eryk 20:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it's certainly not a policy, (not even guideline, IIRC), which is why I'm not insisting on you reverting those changes. It just seems that the consensus right now is to use those renders instead of screenshots. If you disagree, please do bring it up for discussion somewhere, because there may be others that agree with you and simply haven't spoken up on this issue. Discussion is needed so everyone is on the same page on what should be done, and don't end up undoing each other's work. --Dirigible 20:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I agree, as long as we'll someday have renders for all of them, and not just some. For now, I'll just leave all the renders as they are, and touch up whatever else I can. Thanks for bringing this to my attention before I did a lot of damage, lol Eryk 20:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki-linking and other things

I was going through to see what the changes you were making were exactly because I don't have a lot of the collector articles watched anymore and I notice you were adding a lot of wiki links to articles. Our general formatting guidelines state that only the first instance of a term in an article should be linked (unless of course the second instance of this term is separated by a lot of text). For this reason it's unecessary to link to the location under the map or the service in the level 0 section because the link is already there and the NPC articles are so short. This also applies to tabular data like the collector pages.

Other than that, I changed a couple of the collectors (e.g. Ardenoth Oakenshield/Collector armor) to show where the links should be pointing (as long as the information was already there). In many cases our information is outdated because most of the data was gathered before the huge armor update and hasn't been checked since. For articles with incomplete information I was only able to change the links that had the information there already.

Other than that, thanks for putting the effort into getting these updated. If you have any suggestions about improving the level 0 section text then I'd love to hear it. What we've got now is very basic, repetitive and dull and I'd be interested in hearing if you have anything that isn't any of those things. I've also been a bit bored with the presentation of the collector rewards, so if you want to discuss that as well, just give me a yell. :) I know a couple of people that would be interested in some fresh ideas. ;) - BeX 16:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a ton for getting those Collector armor pages changed, I was getting frustrated trying to point them to the right places. The reason I was wiki-linking stuff was because most of the ones that I had seen WERE wiki linked, and I figured everything should be uniform, so I was adding the wiki links to the others. Should I go take all the wiki links from the map comments? And actually, if you could pick a collector that trades for items and a collector that trades for armor and make them perfect, I can follow your example on the rest of them, just let me know which ones. I just like things to be tidy and all the same when it comes to stuff like this, so... yeah. Thanks for helping me out with those armor collectors, especially.

Oh, and I dunno what to tell you as far as the rewards tables. Maybe we could use little bitty images beside them, like the real collectors in the game? I do like having the tables that we can insert into other articles though, so if we redo the way the rewards are displayed, I think they should definitely still be in little insertable (is that a word?) pages. - Eryk 18:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah a lot of people love to over-wikify everything, but it's such a bother to edit the links out that we're better off just telling the editor to stop it in the future and remove them if we're editing the article for something else. I wouldn't worry about removing them unless you're going back to correct something else, unless you really want them to be uniform, and then the choice is yours really because you're the one putting all the work in!

I suppose a good example for the headgear is the one I linked (I just added in the basic armor bonus for rangers that was forgotten there and tweaked his article), and a good one for items is Sunspear Quartermaster which I recently added the mouse-over descriptions to. That's something I'm not sure gets noticed very often.

I think for the /Collector armor tables we should do something about the profession column. I don't know what weaponsmiths use, but I don't think it's the full profession name. Maybe we can switch to using the profession icons. As for the collector rewards pages, I think it might be nice to somehow include the collector's name. I thought using the little arrows like they do in list of dervish unique items for example (see the acquisition column). - BeX 18:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Okie dokie, I'll use those 2 as my templates. OK, I won't go back and remove those wiki links, but I won't add them in the future either. Should I wiki-link the item they're looking for in the dialogue, or leave it un-wiki-ed? I've seen both, so... alright, thanks a ton BeXoR, I really appreciate the help! If there's anything else I can improve on, let me know. - Eryk 18:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I am undecided on that one, because it is the first instance of a term in an article, but at the same time it's linked just below in the subpage. Though technically it doesn't need to be linked on the subpage because that subpage gets included onto the page for the trophy and becomes unlinked anyway. So actually maybe we should start not linking it there and linking only in the dialogue instead! I will ask for some other opinions, but meanwhile it would be fine to link in the dialogue. :) And if you want to get to know some of the regulars or need help you can drop in on the irc chat, or leave me a talk msg any time. - BeX 18:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know we had an IRC chat. Care to point me in the right direction? - Eryk 18:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's unofficial but there are a lot of people that regularly drop in. Just join gamesurge (irc.gamesurge.net) and the room is #gww. :) - BeX 18:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)