User talk:Ohaiyo Gozaimasu Konnichiwa Konbanwa Oyasuminasai Sayonara Ja Mata

Just wanted to tell you...

... you spelt your name wrong. poke | talk 14:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there is really no right or wrong when it comes to Romaji(it is very vague and has not been standardized). If one does some reasearch, one would realize that there are many romaji variations of the same word. As long as any variation, when spoken using Japanese pronunciation rules, sounds the same as when you would read said word off katakana/hiragana, it is acceptable. Ohaiyo Gozaimasu Konnichiwa Konbanwa Oyasuminasai Sayonara Ja Mata 14:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

owned. -Auron 14:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I left out moshi-moshi. I feel like remaking my account. Ohaiyo Gozaimasu Konnichiwa Konbanwa Oyasuminasai Sayonara Ja Mata 14:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

With such a long name, each time you contribute to wiki, you polluate logs...Elephant 14:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I politely disagree. Ending each post with kind greetings surely brightens everyone's day, cheer up friend! Most Japanese Greetings 14:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

My knowledge of Japanese is poor, but wouldn't Sayonara be a farewell as opposed to a greeting? Misery 14:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Backsword 14:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, true, I suppose a more accurate desciption would be "a set of most japanese greetings and parting phrases". However, it would totally defeat the whole purpose of shortening my signature. I wonder if there's a shorter version of it. Most Japanese Greetings 14:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I was hoping that farewells may fall under salutations, but no, salutations are only greetings. How troubling. Misery 14:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, when you are trying to be polite and nice, it's the thought that really matters, I think it should be fine as is. Most Japanese Greetings 14:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I will not disagree with you. Have a wonderful day. Misery 14:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Have a good day too, dear friend. :D Most Japanese Greetings 14:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Actually, romaji has been standardized. The most popular is Hepburn romanization, which the large majority of people use. Some Japanese use the Kunrei-shiki system, but the majority of both native and nonnative Japanese speakers use the Hepburn system. Regardless of which system you use, no system would spell "good morning" as "Ohaiyo" because there is no "i" sound in it; both aforementioned systems would spell it "ohayo". Nice try at playing on people's uninformedness, though. ;) --★KOKUOU★ 21:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

=O for Owned. de Kooning 21:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't gain anything from "playing on people's uninformedness" on the internet, but I do thank you for expanding my horizons. My old textbook states ohaiyo, which I expect it's a typo(unlikely, as it is used throughout the book) or that I was cheated of my money. Nevertheless, I apologize for the bad assumption I made to Poke regarding the different versions of romaji. Most Japanese Greetings 21:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You sure that textbook isn't from the 1700s or 1800s? Could you tell me the name of the textbook (since you seem to have it handy)? --★KOKUOU★ 21:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Which argument are you referring to? Misery 18:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Logically, it would be the only argument that had humourous(and slightly ironic) elements - Mgrinshpon created the account not to disrupt, but to amuse Wynthyst. I believe that all these unnecessary discussion could have been avoided with a proper sock policy. Most Japanese Greetings 18:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually socks are allowed, the only thing Grinch did incorrectly in relation to Twinklepixie is using that account while one of his accounts was banned. A new sock policy is only required if we wish to change the way we handle socks. Misery 18:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I know socks are allowed to be created and used, but not to avoid bans.

However, I don't feel that it is practical in the long run to actually temp ban each and every of a user's socks(especially if said user created his socks before getting banned) to fit the main account's block timing every time the user attempts to bypass blocks.

In this case, Mgrinshpon is protected by the bureaucrat ruling, which effectively forces everyone to AGF about the user and his socks. However, relying on previous experience, which is far more relevant and accurate, there is a high possibility that said user was planning to use the account to disrupt, which is the main point of conflict that Auron and Pling pointed out.

It doesn't matter if said user created the account to disrupt; rather, the point is whether the user is planning to use the account to disrupt. That is something we have to keep in mind.

Most Japanese Greetings 19:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree and I disagree. I agree temp banning every single sock every time someone gets banned and then going through and changing all the blocks would be ridiculous. But if for example I were banned, and while banned used User:Miserysock, my socking account, to test a wiki feature, which is what I use that account for, it would not make sense to permanently ban it, then not unban it when my ban ended. I also disagree that Twinklepixie was ever likely to be used for disruption, Grinch has plenty of socks for disruption, Twinklepixie serves another purpose, although one that is not as noble as Miserysock. Misery 19:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

That brings up another point: If I am banned, and I use User:Most American Greetings to disrupt, but just because I decided to be nice on User:Most British Greetings, it doesn't make sense to have only my User:Most American Greetings account be permabanned while leaving User:Most British Greetings intact after a temp ban. I could also argue that, even though I created User:Most American Greetings to disrupt, I had a change of heart and want to contribute positively, and use User:Most British Greetings to disrupt instead. It's a very big loophole, and the policy needs to be updated to reflect and prevent the exploit of this loophole.

Socks from a known and accepted disruptive user need to be treated the same. Either AGF for all, or not at all, and the first is definitely not possible logically speaking. The point I am trying to make is, you can't judge each account separately when the mastermind is the same person behind each account. Most Japanese Greetings 19:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

That actually supports my point as User:Mgrinshpon is not banned. Misery 19:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

And yet it doesn't, because I am actually seriously surprised as to why he wasn't permabanned for breaking policy so many times. Most Japanese Greetings 19:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

That's actually a separate issue. Misery 19:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

True. I also repeat that Mgrinshpon is protected by the Arbitration ruling, forcing sysops to AGF enough to disqualify using discretion to leave his socks permabanned. Ironically, the ruling was passed by Auron himself. Most Japanese Greetings 20:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty amusing isn't it? I'll point out, he only wants that one sock unbanned. The request does not seem unreasonable. Misery 20:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It isn't unreasonable, and I was merely pointing out how a loophole can be exploited with our current system(with excessivedisruptive socking and all). Most Japanese Greetings 20:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

username, signature

Hi, your username is, as I'm sure you've noticed, ridiculously long. Could you perhaps make a new account with a more appropriate username? You can request a usermerge to merge your contributions together if you wish. Also, your signature doesn't clearly show who you are, so that is something to be changed as well - of course, your new username will factor into what you change it to. Thanks. -- pling 20:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess I will do it tomorrow, I am heading out for today as soon as I make my last post on the Mgrinspon issue. I will request for a usermerge then. Thanks for the heads up! Most Japanese Greetings 20:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)