User talk:Shard/Archive2

Chart

just wanted to point out that dervish has quite a bit of "non self healing" 76.26.189.65 01:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It has 3, 1 of which is a touch, 1 of which requires a full skillbar to synergize with it, and one of which is actually good. I stated on my talk page that I omitted things a class had if it only had very very few of an ability. For example, necromancers have 2 knockdown, but they both suck. ~Shard (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

So derv healers are broken in PvE is the summary? O ok. -- Armond Warblade 16:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"I omitted things a class had if it only had very very few of an ability." Then why did you list a paragon as hex removal when they have one skill that removes a hex? Also, what skills do a Ritualists have that can remove a hex? Also, Paragons only have one resurrection skill. So in the end, your chart there isn't very accurate. I do realize the reason you left things blank that other classes can do is to try and push your views of the paragon; however, since your chart isn't accurate in what the classes can do, nor is it accurate to your claim of leaving out a classes' ability when they have very very few of an ability then it kinda fails. Sorry. As a side note, a Dervish has five skills that can heal others, not three. ;) (Imbue Health, Watchful Intervention, Dwayna's Touch, Mystic Healing, and Signet of Pious Light) ~ Sabastian 03:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You can't expect him to get all the information correct, he probably doesn't play the game the way we do, and like most people he probably hasn't played every class to the extent that we have... so he's bound to make some mistakes. The Dervish's ability to heal others is just one such oversight, and making the mistake that a Ritualist could remove hexes might be another... but the chart is his creation and any mistakes he leave in it will just reflect his knowledge of the game to others, and if he is at all worried about his image as a knowledgeable player, I'm sure he'll correct those obvious oversights.  :) ~ J.Kougar 03:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Fuck off with the insults, arrogance, and ignorance, both of you. He put them on because they're actually good. -- Armond Warblade 17:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I should clarify again that I only put down skills people actually use. When Weaken Knees enters the meta, I will put knockdown under necromancer. When people use Ride the Lightning to gank enemy guild lords, I will put "can ignore positioning" under eles. It's an opinionated list, yes. The point I was trying to make is paragons CAN do everything AND not suck at it.

However, you're right about the rit hex removal...don't know how that got there.

Also, with respect, I've played more builds than you two combined. ~Shard (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

By your chart, you rank assassins as best O.o (paragons can't count because they are just so far beyond the others it isnt even funny :P) |Foul Bane| 08:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You didn't mention shutdown skills in your chart at all, which is a really important part of Mezzes n Necro's. Imo, that just makes it less fair. Dark Morphon(contribs) 16:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Clearly we disagree then on many of the aspects of the Paragon that you don't think "suck"... but the fact that you admit to thinking that Hexbreaker Aria is a decent skill (despite it's ridiculous adrenaline cost and ability to only remove one hex at a time and only from characters casting spells) is boggling to me. Still, if you think it's such a great skill more power to you.  :)

Additionally, to your claims that you have played more builds than my fiance and I combined... well, I really don't see how you could have unless you too have played every profession through each campaign and used various builds for each of the class's available attributes (I.E. running many different builds for each of the attributes available to each class, as well as builds that don't focus just on a maxed out attribute of one type but instead a more diversely distributed across the attributes for the primary class or the primary and secondary) as well as running a great many of these builds in PvP areas of the game as well, despite how limited they can be due to the majority of the skill in the game being made unplayable. It's difficult, but fun, to come up with builds that consist of the dead skills that were nerfed into oblivion and not include the flavor of the month skills or the skills that are still viable and more widely used... but it's very rewarding when you do create such a build and use it to decimate whatever the current build is that everyone is whining about being overpowered. He and I have both done these things, in excess, in the three years we have played Guild Wars together. After all, we don't have a total of seven accounts full of characters (and most all the campaigns for each) because we run whatever builds the kids on PvXwiki are telling us we should be running that week. lol

Still, if you're happy with where you're at in the game and your knowledge and experience there of, then I suppose that's all that really matters.  ;) ~ J.Kougar 19:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

dude, it's about what acctually works, not what u can put together for fun. but yeah, ure kinda pushing it to make the paragon look good, can it shutdown? can it cast hexes? can it cause blind? can it create minions/spirits? dude it have 1 conditional interrupt and still u count it as it can interrupt, crippling anthem and maiming spear sucks at snaring as bad as soul bind and weaken knees suck at kd. the list is unfair to casters, espicially monks. --Cursed Angel 01:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Fine, I'll change it to include everything a profession HAS, not everything a profession can viably bring. Paragons will...still have everything, and will still prove the point i was making. ~Shard (talk) 01:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

that's really not what i asked u to. i mean that u can't really compare professions if they arent meant to do the same thing. backliners can't be compared to frontliners, ur chart only proves how better a paragon is 1 vs 1, but it all depends on ur teams build in most pvp. sure paragons can replace most things more or less, but mostly less. --Cursed Angel 01:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What's the point of having professions if one single profession can do everything the others can? That's my point. There should be a reason why you should pick Warrior over Ranger, or Mesmer over Ele, other than "this mechanic is more broken on a mesmer primary." ~Shard (talk) 04:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't Ranger spirits count as some kind of party buff, like Winnowing, Infuriating Heat etc...?--74.61.209.219 22:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, because they effect enemies as well. Some are even negative, like Toxicity or Winnowing. ~Shard (talk) 10:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Skill Balance

Hey Shard, just want to let you know GJ on keepin up with proposals on skills. I don't like it when people randomly pick on the update's talk page because of something they don't like, but I like the way you do it. Keeping a structured list of different ideas, watching skills for all classes, and maintaining the discussions on your own pages rather then dragging it into updates discussion page. While I only agree with a few of your skill change ideas, I appreciate the way you propose them. I also enjoy watchin the discussions here, usually pretty interesting :). Keep up the good work. |Foul Bane| 23:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, positive comments are always very appreciated. Izzy's talk pages do get cluttered. ~Shard (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Discuss

plz. -- Armond Warblade 02:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

hi

your wrong about sway its taek much skill and u must be very strong to fight as a ranger/derv and i win much and your just bad much QQ --Frozen Archer 01:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

That post is genuine proof that retards can win with sway.

Come back when you can form a sentence in which there aren't two errors before you even get to the second word. ~Shard (talk) 09:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Pretty sure he's just trolling. -Auron 09:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

no way, u must be strong and brave to play sway --Cursed Angel 03:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I sense Rawr of PvX. -- Armond Warblade 15:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

WoTN

Your Way of The Noob skill is an enchantment; not a skill or shout? Don't you know it is useless when it can be stripped... :) |Foul Bane| 10:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Post

pbond nerf. 20r or something, maybe 12. Then link me so I'll remember to add to my watchlist. (I'd do it myself but I'm late for an orthodontist appointment.) Go! -- Armond Warblade 15:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Pbond? Prot bond? Why does it need a nerf? ~Shard (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Not some lame 55 enchantment that even 55s can't get the energy for, the lame hex that does absolutely nothing but make it impossible to remove insidious, reckless, price, faint, migraine, spiteful, etc. -- Armond Warblade 22:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can come up with. ~Shard (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Parasitic Bond is a relatively weak skill which is only really useful to cover more devastating hexes, taking advantage of the fact that hex removals take hexes off the top and that most people bring hex removals that only remove one hex. I've posted buffs for Reverse Hex, Remove Hex, Withdraw Hexes, Inspired Hex, Revealed Hex, and Expel Hexes that might counter the "cover hex" functionality. They're all on User:Shard/Conceptual Changes. I'll also post them on the hex overload issue page. ~Shard (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pbond is arguably the strongest Hex in the game. -- NUKLEAR IIV 08:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Only because of its cover ability. By itself, it's near useless, unless you're good enough to hex a near-dead target for a quick 100+ heal.

Since you asked, here's a fix for it anyway.

5 1 0 - "For 20 seconds, blah blah blah. This takes an additional 8 seconds to recharge for each other hex on target foe."

~Shard (talk) 09:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's a dead skill. I like my change better, to be honest. -- NUKLEAR IIV 17:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Shard (or anyone really, I'm not picky), find me that special page that tells me all the subpages in your userspace, would you? It'd be easier if I could just add User:Shard/* to my watchlist, but mediawiki doesn't work the same as windows. -- Armond Warblade 17:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Special:Prefixindex -- Brains12 \ talk 18:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pling wins. -- Armond Warblade 18:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Last I herd, subliminal election propaganda is win. -- NUKLEAR IIV 18:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Brawl

So you play Brawl? Wanna play online with me? I need more people to play with. --TimeToGetIntense 11:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I love you man!

Just checking in and stuff. Your page doesn't get enough love and huggles <3 Yasmin Parvaneh 19:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

yeah it needs more love <3 --Cursed Angel 01:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Fail

You Do. Grow up its a game, "gimmick" build should not be penalized its just a game and if you bash the mass of average players tehy will quit and guild wars will die. GG. AlysWarder 21:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

No, gimmicks will die and good players will come back. Bad players like you aren't supposed to win in a game of skill. Get used to it. ~Shard (talk) 08:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

HI

Changed a bit pls help me with the changes :) Lilondra 07:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Bored guy waiting for youre comment lol Lilondra 14:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I make walls of text

go -- Armond Warblade 03:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

GWW:NPA

GWW:NPA exists. Please follow it. --Super Igor 22:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Being bitter never gets anyone anywhere. It just tells the admins that you need a break from GWW. Normally a three-day break, for first-timers. --Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 22:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Err, no, not really, Im fine with gww for now its pretty good, I can take the break myself if I feel like it tbh. :o wait, or were you telling it to Shard? :s --Super Igor 22:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

If you'd read my edit summary, you'd have seen that I was talking about blocks. No, I'm talking to you, Igor, because this is just the same thing Shard put into your talk page in the same hour. --Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Err, no sorry dont need a block atm. ;) and I am not breaking npa --Super Igor 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, no, I'm talking about the bitterness. Bitterness leads to angst. Angst leads to acting like a petulant child. Acting like a petulant child leads to stupid Internet drama.

Really, though, it's a slippery slope, that Internet drama. --Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Wait, wasn't there a mention for the Dark Side somewhere in that sentence?.--Fighterdoken 23:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Shard's NPA drama on my page is as bitter and meaningless as same drama on his page so yh...err...wait, what do you have against internt drama?! >.< --Super Igor 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No im not bitter I just dont get why some people to throw something slimy on your poor talkpage when everything is nice and calm. >.< --Super Igor 23:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Igor's an interwebs drama magnet, just ignore him --Metroid 00:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm bitter? Let me quote you:

"Shard, how come you arent a moron? :o no offense, but you are"

Maybe that's why I posted on your page. Stop acting like a twelve year old. ~Shard (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. If he really said that, not only does it bring us back to the actual point of the NPA invocation (oddly enough), but it shows how really out there one must be to consider assembling words and symbols in such a way. Igor, are you an Internet Drama Demon? It's OK, I'm totally not a Van Helsing.

Also, Fighterdoken, I did, didn't I? /wink --Chaiyo Kaldor talk contribs 03:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Shard I said no offense so wuzzup with all the rage? :o --Super Igor 14:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ignore Igor, he has a strikingly blatent lack of common sense. — Skakid 17:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

A personal attack is a personal attack whether or not you say no offense. If they weren't, people would be saying "no offense but you're a fucking moron" everywhere on wiki. ~Shard (talk) 00:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

No offense, Igor, but you're a fucking dumbshit troll who's pissed that he got permabanned on PvX and is taking it out here by trolling the people you don't like where the admins won't do much. (owait) -- Armond Warblade 16:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

He was actually blocked for one day yesterday, and there's always hope. Erasculio 16:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Wasnt rly an npa, I said the truth about Armond, yea I raged at him but he made me do it with his continous, blatant, rather dumb trolling and general asshattery towards me of which got extremly tired on pvxwiki allready. So Armond got blocked for a week eventually and it serves him good, hopefully it would make the guy think before trolling and give him a lesson that he is no different from others and being an asshat will get him a big, juicy ban. So yeah, he defo deserves the ban and Im happy that it ha happened guy needed to chill out and get a clue. --Super Igor 00:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Then you got permabanned and started posting on GWW. Stop flaming other people on my talk page. Do it on theirs. ~Shard (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we ban Igor from everything? He's a troll with an inflated sense of entitlement and a persecution complex. Nothing good ever comes or can ever come from a person like that. --76.25.197.215 06:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

This is just a silly little rant that is wasting wiki-space and people's reading time. If you start using words in a way that puts down another person then you need to leave GWW - that's not what we're about. However, the admins are not counsellors and they should not be used as babysitters while people continue testing how far the wiki's policies will take them. The NPA has no interpretation, you either break it or you don't - no excuses. I would seriously recommend that everyone drop this issue altogether and just move on. It's one thing to troll this wiki, but trying to associate with one makes you just as bad. (Terra Xin 10:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC))

NAO

Here. Needs input, and you telling me how I rule. -- NUKLEAR IIV 14:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I also need some ideas and cussing on the things I probably have missed. -- NUKLEAR IIV 14:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't people use WS in the championship last month?

I'm asking you because, as far as I know, you're one of the few people here with both a good PvP insight and who's still playing the game. Any idea why people weren't using Wounding Strike often on the June tournament, regardless of how completely broken that skill is right now? Is it because WS isn't suited to GvG, because the players would rather risk losing than using such a bad skill, or because of something else? I was half expecting it to be among the most equipped elite skills... Erasculio 22:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe one of the guilds used two shadow stepping WS dervishes in the finals. Don't remember which one. I don't watch much observe, but if very few teams were bringing it, it was probably because they wanted to bring hammer warriors instead. A lot of people run earth shaker and magehunters in gvg.

WS is also easier to abuse in HA and smaller arenas, where the primary objective is to overpower your opponents instead of outstrategizing them. ~Shard (talk) 00:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Dervishes are far, far more powerful in small arenas and HA than they are in GvG, with the exception of halls like Burning Isle, because without catching half the backline in one sweep you're better off bringing an axe or hammer. -- Armond Warblade 01:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I see, thanks for the explanations. Erasculio 22:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

To add, I did obs some, and it's simply so that Dervs weren't run that much, but when they were, WS was used, dominantly. Backsword 15:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

ArenaNet:Guild Wars 2 suggestions/Get rid of Dervishes, Ritualists, and Paragons

opinion plz.--99.153.226.11 16:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

dervish paragon end asassin insted, ritu can actualy be balanced vile asassin can not --Frozen Archer 20:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

...You know, I'll be sad if you get banned, because your trolling is actually intelligent and funny. -- Armond Warblade 02:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

More funny than intelligent. I do enjoy seeing "i r brave end storng warier" everywhere. ~Shard (talk) 03:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I second that. -- NUKLEAR IIV 08:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't clear. He thinks about what's the funniest way to troll before he actually does so (like trolling on Shard's talk about minor changes to an idea that include a snip about balancing rits). -- Armond Warblade 16:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

who

ru? -FireFox 00:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

From the nerf list talks

Your suggestions for RaO and Enchanter's Conundrum would remove the skills from the game entirely, and your suggestion for Comfort Animal would remove every other Beast Mastery skill from the game even more than they already are. --71.229.204.25 10:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Why? ~Shard (talk / Nerf List) 03:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Do I really need to explain why a non-maintainable elite IMS/IAS with a heavy energy cost and a requirement of at least twenty spec (10BM, 10Exp) and three skill slots would ever be used? And EC's change would render it very inferior to Migraine. Comfort Animal would remove every other BM skill from play because they suck enough without a fifteen second skill blackout every time your pet (the

focus of the tree) dies. --71.229.204.25 02:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Rampage as One shouldn't exist anyway, there's nothing wrong with making it bad. Notice how I lowered its cost to 15 anyway? The EC issue is long gone, but comfort still needs to take a hit. ~Shard (talk) 23:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Song of Restoration needs a hit, but as written it will remove Motivation from the ground completely. You can't even use staples like Anthem of Flame or really anything because they'll prevent any casters you have from recieving healing. 204.52.179.199 14:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

That's kind of the point. Paragons should either be offensive or defensive, not both. ~Shard (talk / Nerf List) 07:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you know you're worse than Izzy by saying that? Dark Morphon(contribs) 12:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? I'm worse than izzy because I want paragons to be balanced? Wow. I thought I had met the dumbest person on Earth, but I now see I was very wrong. ~Shard (talk) 02:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, I dunno what I was talking about but it wasn't the para comment. Dark Morphon(contribs) 12:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oic again, I was talking about you suggesting to kill a whole attribute. Dark Morphon(contribs) 13:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, with that comment about dumbest person on earth I suppose you are talking about yourself? Dark Morphon(contribs) 13:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)