ArenaNet:Skill feedback/PvE/Kurzick / Luxon title track

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Skye Marin's Issue -- 20:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Issue

This title is much harder (read: time-consuming) to progress, rank-wise than the Sunspear title. I know this title is account wide. Taking that into consideration, ask yourself: "What should the time-sink ratio be between this title and the Sunspear Title?" 1:2? 1:6?

Well, doing some fun math I've concluded the following:

   * Halfway on each track, comparing rank 5 sunspear to rank 6 faction, the time-sink ratio is 1:400.
   * Maxed out, comparing rank 10 sunspear to rank 12 faction, the time-sink ratio is 1:33. 

I don't have 33 PvE characters, nobody does.

Here are my calculations:

   * Sunspear Run: 3,250/hour with Wurms outside of the Gates of Desolation.
   * Faction Run: 10,000/hour doing repeatable quests (FFF), which is 20k/hour on the Title if donated. 

This means per hour, you gain about 6 times as many Faction points than you would Sunspear points.

   * Rank 10 Sunspear is 50,000. Rank 12 Faction is 10,000,000.
   * Taking the time to do 50k Sunspear, doing Faction instead, is 6 times that, so 300k.
   * That's 3% of Rank 12 Faction. Repeat 33 times, you get almost 100%. 

Now compare 500 Sunspear vs 1,200,000 Faction (Rank 5 vs Rank 6)

   * 6 x 500 = 3,000
   * 1,200,000/3,000 = 400 Characters 

It takes 400 times the amount of effort to get a character half-way to power a PvE Faction skill than a PvE Sunspear Skill. This is why simply reducing the maximum tier won't be enough to fix it. Note that these calculations consider the fastest farming methods for each title, and take into consideration the double-faction donation bonus and new Faction Title progression. Before those changes, the ratios would be even higher.

Suggestion

My suggestion would be to add even more ranks to the Faction title, and have the skills' power scale only between 10,000 Faction and the current rank 3 Title (400,000 Faction). This would make the Factions PvE skills more functional and appealing, allowing them to do what they were designed for. The higher tiers of the title can stay high, but this boon would correct my issue with this title track.--Skye Marin 20:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)