Category talk:Weapons with irregular skins

Ungainly Was Title

So.... wow, that title. Can we think of a more concise description that might be able to include other strange skins? --JonTheMon 16:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Here's a brainfart/braindump (I don't love any of these; I'm hoping they inspire something better):

• Unique weapons with unusual skins — "unusual" is ambiguous, but we can define it to mean "looks like something else".
• Weapons with unusual skins — same idea, but why not include the Focus of Purity?
• Weapons with dissonant skins — lousy adjective, but that's what we are cataloging: where we cannot judge the book by its cover.
• Weapons with unexpected skins — same idea, differently bad adjective

– Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, i know the title is indeed very long and i tried to come up with shorter names as well, also by using adjectives like TES. But none of them didn't seem to clearly express what this category is about, so i came up with this lengthy one instead. (At first i wanted to name it "Unique weapons with a skin of a different type").

"Weapons with dissonant skins" sounds pretty good to me, but maybe there's yet a better adjective (or a completely different way of concise explanation) out there.

About the inclusion of "other strange skins": I also thought about a supercategory for this one that also includes weapons with just an unusual attribute (like Ganshu's Record) or daggers that use a sword skin (e.g. Daggers of Purity). Is there a word that describes a weapon with a skin that either has an unusual attribute or weapon type? Having multiple categories to include all of these "strange skins" seems like a good idea. Here's something i've thought of (i'll use surrogate names for now, since again it's hard to come up with short and clear names here):

• Category - Fancy pants weapons
  • Subcategory - Skin Borrowing^{1, S, R}
    • (Sub?)subcategory - Skin Dissonance^{2, S}
  • Subcategory - Attribute Dissonance^{3, S}
  • Subcategory - No upgradeable (PvE) counterpart⁴
  • Subcategory - Not unique yet still pretty much unique^{5, R}

¹"Sword daggers" (like Daggers of Purity or Oroku's Slicers) can go directly here.

²Weapons in the fashion of Xun Rao's array of unusual fighting equipment, or Focus of Purity.

³Weapons with a normal type but with a usually unavailable attribute, like Ganshu's Record or Unending Night's Grasp.

⁴Unique weapons that use a skin that's not obtainable as normal weapon, like Xun Rao's Absolution or Plague-Soaked Stave (Most of them are available as PvP rewards though).

⁵This includes some special gold weapons that act somewhat like unique weapons (e.g. the The Bison Cup), as well as special quest rewards like the -50hp Cesta.

^RThese categories include "regular" ^""regular"^" weapons that aren't using green font. So if we're going to create a category that includes all "strange weapons", it think it shouldn't be exclusive to unique items (i.e. a subcategory of Category:Unique items).

^SThese categories are somewhat similar. 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 could possibly get merged.

—ZerphaThe Improver 20:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

How about "Weapons with irregular skins" for these kinds of weapons? If we really wanted to overhaul things (like with the Bison Cup) that could be "Weapons with irregular attributes". --JonTheMon 20:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Irregular works. I don't think it's important to subcategorize. A List of items with ... article (or a table on the category page) would do the same thing and be easier for people to use at-a-glance. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by "overhaul things" in regard of the Bison Cup, Jon? "Multiple attribute items" seems fine.

We're going for "Category:Weapons with irregular skins", then? I think when we put all of them into one category, it gets rather big. I maybe overdid the distinction though. Then again it seems weird to give them a common category yet differentiate them with a table, since at that point we could immediately have given them distinct categories. Or would you refrain from that mainly because of the naming issues? —ZerphaThe Improver 17:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

That category will be defined as "the skin is from a different weapon type." It's not going to be that big a category. The purpose of also using a table to distinguish them is so that ppls don't have to jump to different articles to find if there's a focus item that looks like a wand (no) or a wand that looks like a focus item (yes). (Irregular works better for this purpose than near-synonyms such as unexpected or non-standard, which could be (ahem) expected to include skins that are distinct, i.e. not shared among more than 1-2 weapons.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The Bison Cup has an unusual inscription, which is what i was getting at. Are we fine with renaming this to "Weapons with irregular skins"? --JonTheMon 21:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, i'm a bit distracted, so I should probably address all the points. Any type of table I'd imagine would just describe how each item is irregular, so it wouldn't really be categorizing them. --JonTheMon 21:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm if i got this straight we don't have the same use for "Category:Weapons with irregular skins" in mind. TES is currently only talking about the category that's about to replace this category here whose talk page we're currently using to discuss the topic, while Jon and me seem to be thinking about a category that could include all the other items that do have a irregular skin in some way.

For this particular "the skin is from a different weapon type"-category it does of course not make much sense to split it up into multiple categories any further, now i also get your point of the table (which i assume is probably about the same as i made for this category so far?) I thought you wanted to use "Category:Weapons with irregular skins" for all the stuff i listed above and make a table that shows whether the item in that category qualifies for "skin =/= weapon type", "no non-unique counterpart with equal skin" etc.

Now if we use such a 'major category' (which would include "Weapons with irregular skins" as a subcategory), how should that one be called? "Weapons with special skins"? —ZerphaThe Improver 14:26, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I think we should only deal with this category and ignore having to take into account things like the Bison Cup. --JonTheMon 05:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)