Talk:Chaos Planes

Shouldn't it be Chaos Plains? Mason717 00:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

No, Planes as in realm/level/etc. --8765 00:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

all the maps and points goto planes.... plus this from dictionary.com -plane- noun: a flat or level surface. or for -plain- noun:flat or level... either case is fine by me... I'd recommend just having one redirect to the other... MrPaladin talk 17:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you people understand English at all? English is my THIRD language, and this makes sense to me. Paladin, your definition of "plane" is meant as a x-y plane, or y-z plane, or extra special imaginary plane that exists within the confines of mathematical perspectives. A "plane" is a leveled surface, but does not describe a body of land; if you're going to use a dictionary, please use it right. A plain, however, describes an area of land not significantly higher than adjacent areas and with relatively minor differences in elevation, commonly less than 500 ft. (150 m), within the area. As it is EXTREMELY clear, it was meant to be plain and not plane. Referencing is done in accordance to intention and correctness, and not done to mistakes some idiot developer made. To prove that it's a mistake, look at the following image: http://i42.tinypic.com/2qte7vc.jpg--Zeteg 17:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

No need to be rude... that photo is most informative... I think the changes should be made then to the image names (and enemy names) where appropriate then have the old pages redirect to the new ones with the correct name rather then revert and edit this page.... sound like a good option? I'm not here to berate anyone, just to make the wiki effective... (Currently Chaos Plains Redirects to this page) MrPaladin talk 17:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I get frustrated when things like this happen. In any case, yes, that would be good. I'm not well versed in wiki; if you can do that, that would be great.--Zeteg 17:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

it's no problem, I'm adding this page to my watch list and I'll see what can be done... I'm not good at renaming/moving the images (also be sure to sign your comments with four ~'s) MrPaladin talk 17:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The wiki only needs to reflect what's in-game. The usage of "plane" fits fine in the naming. See: Wikipedia disambiguation about Plane. We can put an anomaly stating the inconsistency of the usage of planes and plains. NPCs, such as Reaper of the Chaos Planes should exactly reflect its in-game appearance, despite their dialog text may say otherwise. With this in mind, this article needs a starting point. In other words, what's the first thing that tells you that you're in the Chaos Plains/Planes? --8765 17:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes lets confirm what is in game, he already has provided a screenshot for the Chaos Plains used ingame... the monster you refer to has "The Reaper of the Chaos Plains" in its monster description.... as a wiki we need to look at this and get the nameings to match ingame then add a [sic] to anything that is incorrect MrPaladin talk 17:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

As mentioned by 8765, there is another definition of "plane" often used in RPG settings, A level of existence. (eg, astral plane). The first encounter inside the game will be the NPC Reaper of the Chaos Planes. --Zora 19:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

(indent fix) I think the reaper should indeed stay as planes as mentioned above for both its ingame name and for the correct reference to planes in RPG settings... from the screenshot provided by Zeteg about being teleported to the physical location of the Chaos Plains I think this article should be moved to the Chaos Plains page and redirected there... Both terms are used ingame... Plains for the location and Planes for the creature. MrPaladin talk 19:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Wiki is meant to relay useful information. What exactly, may I ask, is the point of spelling things incorrectly on purpose? Your mentioning of the astral plane in RPGs is irrelevent. A plane in RPG terms dictates an area of existance, much like an extra dimension in string theory. However, the Underworld is not split off into plannar segments, and rather, faults on various types of terrian. Using common sense, it is easy to understand how the Chaos PLAINS show distinct geological features, differing from other areas. It in fact, does not exist on a different plane. It's fine and well that you may know these terms from other games you have played, but using your head might not be such a bad idea. The article should be named Chaos PLAINS, with a note about how in the game, there are references to Chaos PLANES. Because there is ambiguity in the subject, and both spellings are provided, there are two methods of fixing this problem: Go by majority, or go by correctness. I have already made the case that PlAINS is correct, so all that is left is to see by majority references. The monster itself is called Reaper of the Chaos Planes, and Restore mentioned PLANES (so I assume). However, there are 6 distinct instances where reapers will teleport you to the Chaos PLAINS. Both by correctness and majority, PLAINS should be used, over PLANES. --Zeteg 19:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems the reaper of the chaos planes refers to the area as chaos planes... can anyone confirm that dialog is correct? MrPaladin talk 19:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be so much simpler to ask the developer. My guess "plains" is a typo, since the reaper is named "planes." There isn't 6 distinct instances. That teleport dialog comes from the same set of code. --8765 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Why would the developer intentionally mispell Plains as Planes? --Zeteg 21:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Who ever said intentionally? It is most likely a typo. There are many, many typos in the game. Everyone makes mistakes and even with spell check people still mis-use words. A bit off topic but, is there a list of the in-game typos? If not, one should be made, in my opinion, and be brought to the live team's attention so that the typos can eventually be fixed. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 21:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Azazel, do you read before you speak? The question I asked was a reference question. I was not asking why someone would intentionally make a typo - that's ridiculous. I'm hinting towards the fact that reference should be done on correctness and intention, rather than on a typo. If anything, the typo should be documented as a note, and not the other way around. --Zeteg 02:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Er...First, I haven't been speaking, I've been typing. Second, Yes, I did read first. Third, Wiki articles, with titles and dialogues, are copied word for word, typo or not. If there is a typo, then the [sic] tag is put next to the typo. What should be done is the in-game spelling be put on the articles, with the sic tag where needed. In terms of which "plane" was intended, ask a developer if you can't figure it out, I personally say Plains. Either way, it's not that I misunderstood you or didn't read, it's that you worded what you said poorly. Perhaps it was the use of "intentionally" :P. And you should calm down, I'm getting major hate responses from you and you hardly know me. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's been a very long time since I went to the Underworld, so I'm not sure about the current terminology in use by the NPCs. The best way to resolve this in my opinion is to use the dialog and name of the Reaper at the actual site as opposed to the teleport dialog. If there is a discrepancy between the two, and I suspect there is, then the discrepancy should be noted. There is also a redirect from Chaos Plains to this article which should prevent navigation issues. If it is causing major issues I would suggest asking Emily for clarification and/or reporting it as a text bug. --Indecision 03:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Azazel, my statements are based on implicit references; they are not stated poorly. Also, I *can* figure out that "plains" was meant to be the intentional one, because that's the correct dictionary definition, as I've stated already. I'm sick of wasting my time here; this will be my last response on the topic. My advocation of "plains" over "planes" is not my sentiment alone, and many friends have heard me whine over this topic enough. One of three things happens from this point forward. My friends and I have been contributing to wiki (them more than I) because we believe in transparency of technical information. If this remains "planes", even though our argument has been presented, and no counters have been brought up other than "gut feeling", GW Wiki will lose about 8 contributers. Second, this article can be changed in accordance to what I have purposed. Third, someone can give me an actual argument addressing the points I have made, against "plains" over "planes". It's times like this that remind me why I went to an Ivy rather than get paid for college. I'll restate: It's ambiguous, by text alone, whether "plains" or "planes" was inteded. By looking at the dictionary definition, observing the surrounding area and adding common sense, it's pretty obvious that "plains" was intended. Thus, the article should be called Chaos Plains, with a reference to Chaos Planes. It does not make sense the other way, because even if we write wiki to spelling mistakes, we do not know which one is the mistake. --Zeteg 17:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Who's anyone to say, other than the developers, that the Chaos Planes don't exist on another plane of reality? I mean, we're already in the Underworld, which apparently doesn't exist on the same plane as the real world (as much as the world of Tyria is real)?

The Oxford English Dictionary has this definition:

(Theosophy) each of a number of interpenetrating levels of existence of which the universe is believed to be constituted, and through which it is believed to be slowly evolving.

And gives examples of this usage that have been attested to since the mid-1800s.

And seriously, flaunting your education not only makes you look elitist and haughty, it's a rather poor way to try and convince someone that you're right or that your argument has merit. It's only a wiki, and we work on consensus. If something as simple as this incident is going to make you up and leave, then perhaps you should take a break to either let off some steam, and/or consider your reason for being here. --★KOKUOU★ 18:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't thin Zeteg ever realized that, despite which meaning was meant, we gotta copy word for word, typos included. >_> Yet he's asking for the opposite. The only way this can be fixed is to go join a UW group and look for ourselves. And take pictures. One instance doesn't dictate that all instances are the same. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 22:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a freaking pixelated name from a game, and everyone is getting all uptight about semantics regarding a make-believe world. They could call the place Chaos Ahsdakjd and it wouldn't matter, because names of places do not necessarily have to come from any legitimate word in any language. The word Bishan doesn't mean a shit in any language in existance yet the place I live in is called just exactly that; so are Queenstown and Hillington. Seriously, reading all the mindless banter that was posted above made my IQ drop a few points. Pika Fan 23:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

We should put [sic] next to every page's title so this never happens again. (that was sarcasm for those who missed it)

Pika, I TL;DR'd most of that garbage. I'm sorry for your loss in brain cells. Just remember to always wear a helmet before reading pointless discussions like this so as to not injure yourself with too much /facepalming. ~Shard 23:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay Kokuou, we'll be taking our leave. Enjoy. --Zeteg 16:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) to help clearify this now seemingly forgotten issue, I did UW and took two pictures (though for some reason the first turned out all black o_O) the first was of the Restoring Grenth's Monuments quest which said Planes, second was of the reaper which said Planes. So it seems that there is at least one case where it is spelled Plains and at least 2 where it says Planes. I believe, though this, it is meant to be Planes and that one which is pointed out by Zeteg was a typo. -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 02:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Aza... I think thats enough to leave it as is, and prove on any later agruements of why its named... Does anyone have a link to where the teleport dialog is used on the wiki, I cant seem to find it? MrPaladin talk 11:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not a wiki picture, but Zeteg posted a pic in his first comment on this page. You can probably take both his and mine, crop them, then put them up on the wiki for fast reference. -- Azazel the Assassin/talk 12:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)