Talk:Kristo Trilios

Trivia Removal

I found no connection between Kristo Trilios and Christ which would warrant such a note. On the other hand, we could list the possible origins of all NPC names that we can find. FYI, I'm "kind, gentle, and handsome" G R E E N E R 08:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I support Greener's removal of the trivia section. The sole reference (a vague similarity of the name to a synonym for Jesus Chris) doesn't meet the most trivial requirements for trivial: it's not distinct, it's not notably more than a coincidence, and there's no evidence of any deeper connection.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. If we follow that train of thought then most of the trivia in the whole wiki would dissapear. Specifically skills like "double dragon","the power is yours!"," cant touch this","go for the eyes!","bonettis defence","i will survive","i will avenge you","ebon hawk","none shall pass","victory is mine","galrath slash",etc and characters like dende,sida,bonetti, geoffery the buttler,etc would have to have their trivia modified or completely removed. Another interesting point is that you both have either chosen to completely ignore, or just haven't read(i would assume/hope it's a simple misunderstanding due to not having read it), the trivia carefully. It mentions nothing about jesus. It mentions Christ, which is just a title. A simple search for Christ in wikipedia would yield this as the first parragraph of the result:"Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one".[1] It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah."

Also trivia, in the common current usage, is just a collection of mostly useless facts. It has been a wiki tradition for quite a while. So the trivia still stands, but with a minor modification. Your arguments made it clear that a link to the definition of Christ is badly needed. So it shall be added. Thanks for helping improve the wiki. Sabin 07:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I am more than aware of the origin of the word Christ, but thank you. If your argument is that the trivia should be kept to show people the root origins the name Kristo, then it really has no place on this wiki. We document Guild Wars. We have no need to document where the names Adriana or Katie come from, unless they holds some significance to that NPC. This is exactly the argument that I raised above. G R E E N E R 08:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

There are three arguments made above: (1) that if this is removed, then consistency demands that other trivia should also be removed; (2) that the connection is to "anointed one;" (3) that trivia is a collection of useless facts.

(1) I support removing trivia when the connection is vague or isn't notable. (Of those skills mentioned above, only Double Dragon fails to meet minimal standards, so it should probably be removed.) (I haven't yet reviewed the NPC articles.) (2) There's nothing about Kristo Trilios that suggests he is an anointed one, so the linkage appears tenuous at best. (3) Trivia, as used on this wiki and generally, is more than useless facts. Just because something is true doesn't mean it is worth noting. It's not interesting to consider whether an NPC's name begins with the letter K; it would be interesting if 90% of collector NPCs had that as a first initial.

Finally, only three contributors have chimed in on this discussion; two of us don't think this meets the minimum standards for trivia on this wiki. Accordingly, I think it was premature to put the line back in (even in its improved phrasing); it should be removed.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

@greener if your concern is that a trivia is about the origin(or possible origin) of a name of a wiki entry you might also want to remove the trivia from skills as Double Dragon, the power is yours!, cant touch this, Go for the Eyes!, Bonetti's Defense, i will survive, i will avenge you, Ebon Hawk, None Shall Pass!,victory is mine, etc and characters like dende, sida, bonetti, Edibbo Kepkep, Geoffrey the Butler just to name a few. Those trivias document gw as much as this one does.

@ tennessee (1) how exactly is it that double dragon fails but ebon hawk does not? what about the other skills? how exactly are they "notable" in the context of gw? it would be good if you reviewed the npc articles before taking an action, dont you think? (2) That is correct, the trivia does not imply that he is annointed, merely that his name is suspiciously similar to the word cristo, the same way a character named duke skywalker would have a name suspiciously similar to luke skywalker and would probably have a trivia pointing that out. (3) You are correct again, it would be dull to note that such and such npc has a name that starts with K, and this trivia is not about the first letter of his name but about the significance the name has in another language, just as sida. Sabin 08:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

As an impartial observer, you're trying to say that the trivia on this page is notable because the name of this random npc is similar to a name similar to christ in a language that isn't english, even though the last name has nothing to do with christ and the NPC isn't part of a church or is a zombie or any of that jazz? :/

Your information is better suited to go on the talk page of the article (i.e., right here) rather than the article itself. As trivia, it's more pointless than trivia usually is. It basically has no connection whatsoever to the NPC. It's just a random fact about the name, which is most likely a complete coincidence. There's no pattern here - if there were other NPCs in the area with religion-affiliated names, the trivia would be more fitting. As it is, there's just a random collector hanging around with a name about ten steps and an entire language removed from "christ" - that's a bit too much of a stretch to start listing it as trivia. -Auron 08:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

True, Cristo in spanish does mean Christ... but Kristo in Guildwars does not relate to Cristo with the exception of the phonitically similar first name... now if the last name also was related to Christ then you may have something, or if someone from within guildwars confirmed that the name was ment to be related to Christ then the triv is valid.... but as it is I could as seriously link the last name Trilios to Trilinos, the collection of open source software libraries since the NPC is aso a collector my reference now has more ground to stand on then yours... Don't take it personnel it's not that you are wrong with your trivial fact it just does not relate to this NPC in the context of guilwars. 65.6.156.101 09:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

To address your concern about other articles, Sabin, they are noted as trivia because we know that Anet loves to refer to items from underground and pop-culture. True, some of them are speculation, but they stand on fairly firm ground, and you can see the debates of most happening in the talk pages. The trivia about Ebon Hawk or Dende are rather weak in my opinion, but I know very little about either source or their popularity to comment on the talk pages. The rest are very much in the vain of Anet's style.

Once again, your trivia has no relation to the NPC, nor is there any reason to assume that Anet chose the name as a purposeful reference to Christ. If you get confirmation that they did, then great, we've expanded the wiki. Since you're not even arguing that Anet chose the name on purpose, all you've done is document information unrelated to the game, hence the removal and my comments above. G R E E N E R 18:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The consensus seems to be that the note should be removed. Will I be within the spirit of the one revert policy if do so? Thanks.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I've asked Sabin to revert the last reversion on the basis of GWW:1RR, at least until there's support to change the current consensus.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)