Talk:Restless Dead (Eye of the North)
sometimes these two seem to be the same, as i've seen several of them first casting curses, and after a while going Toucher, after beginning touch skills they don't change back thoughRhydeble 19:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
- The image is wrong, they look like ghosts, althogh I don't remember which ghost model they use. -- Gordon Ecker 03:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I can...i'll add it. have made several pics of the ghosts themselves, if you want this as well... —Zerpha
The Improver 01:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- I can...i'll add it. have made several pics of the ghosts themselves, if you want this as well... —Zerpha
energy[edit]
how much energy do npc foes have in general, in normal or hardmode? does this differentiate or is it indefinite? The SV version spammed its touch skills non-stop over 15 times, until they died. they must have over 200 energy... —Zerpha
The Improver 13:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- NPC's have a normal energy pool with 1 extra pip of regen. This suckers might just have an ungodly amount of Soul Reaping. -
HeWhoIsPale 15:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Or they are actually primary Rangers with secondary Necromancer and tertiary Assassin. And, yes, this is possible. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 23:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Noctarch- Could you indicate how you know this, or where you read it. Thanks. --Stu 15:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
- My answer took long (I did not look in here). First, there are creatures with tertiary professions. Second, there's the (in)famous toucher build, which these creatures' build resemble. Third, usually monsters don't have more than 60 energy - even on hardmode. A test with only one of the alive and recorded deaths could show if they have soul reaping (because of the energy gain animation). If not, I suggest tagging them as rangers. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 01:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Could it be that they also do not have two builds, but simply that they "shift+right-click" the other "skillset"? In total, that would be 8 skills. (And yes, I know that some enemies have more than that...) Paddymew 11:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- My answer took long (I did not look in here). First, there are creatures with tertiary professions. Second, there's the (in)famous toucher build, which these creatures' build resemble. Third, usually monsters don't have more than 60 energy - even on hardmode. A test with only one of the alive and recorded deaths could show if they have soul reaping (because of the energy gain animation). If not, I suggest tagging them as rangers. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 01:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- That is possible yes. NPC skills are set independent from their professions. Backsword 18:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Single version[edit]
I've been making Duncan's some times, and I can say it for sure. They are the same creature, there is no need to make two pages. Why? Just like the Ghostly Hero in the Norn tournament, the Doppelganger or the ranger Heckets in Nightfall, they Switch weapons. When they carry a staff they use some skills, and when they equip the daggers they use the others. I don't know if they have all the skills at the same time and they use one or others depending on weapon equipped, or if they switch builds like Monoliths or Chromatic dragons, but what it is for sure is that they are one creature. 
(Mith | Talk) 15:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've never seen them use Spiteful Spirit in Selvetarm's level, Graven Monoliths and Chromatic Drakes use skills when they switch skill sets and regular weapon swappers only have one skill bar and only need to swap weapons for attack skills. Also, are you sure that they wield daggers? I've seen the Shadow Prison versions wielding both versions of Idols, which look like daggers. -- Gordon Ecker 04:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Shadow Prison versions also sometimes wield a weapon with the same skin as the Ogre-Slaying Knife and the knife Idol, I'm assuming it's technically a sword like the Ogre-Slaying Knife, however they don't seem to attack, so I don't think it's possible to determine whether it's a sword and focus or a pair of daggers. -- Gordon Ecker 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm with Gordon on this. I might not have much of a rep on here but, the AI for the enemy would have them lay the hexes around then start vamping the nearest shadow-stepped to person if it were the smartest AI in the game, read HM Slavers, ... Oh wait... (sorry had to have a bit of sarcasm in there). On the other hand, it's possible that they have all 8 skills(yeah there's only 8 reported skills between the two versions) on their bar and the weapon they're spawned with decides the AI or they can switch freely if the AI so chooses. Truly though, I'm gonna stick with Gordon. Naming two enemies that appear in the same group that have two very different builds with the same name just adds to the confusion and difficulty to the dungeon for people experiencing it for the first time. Arty 01:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Given that there currently are only 7 documented skills, I would assume that they aren't actually changing builds. This would be a rather unique case of weapon-swapping. A way to test this might include pulling aggro and attempting to force them all into Toucher by moving adjacent to each one. Perhaps deal enough damage to take them below 50 or 25 percent health, and repeat for each. Once you've forced multiple into the secondary build, pull back until you lose aggro, then go back in when all the Restless Dead have fully regen'd. If my assumption's right, you'll end up being hit with hexes. If I'm wrong, you get Touch-spiked. Perhaps, during testing, it would be possible to see whether or not they're tertiary (technically primary) rangers, or if they're using an extremely high value of Soul Reaping to spam their skills. 128.255.216.144 16:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- For clarification on my reasoning, the Ghostly Hero (possibly the only other known weapon-swapping NPC) will gladly swap from his bow to his axe when in melee range, and will pull for a pretty good distance before taking a few steps back and d-shotting whatever quarter-second cast skill you're using. If I were to be programming another NPC to weapon swap in a similar manner, I would certainly use any previously available code that I could. 128.255.216.144 16:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- Given that there currently are only 7 documented skills, I would assume that they aren't actually changing builds. This would be a rather unique case of weapon-swapping. A way to test this might include pulling aggro and attempting to force them all into Toucher by moving adjacent to each one. Perhaps deal enough damage to take them below 50 or 25 percent health, and repeat for each. Once you've forced multiple into the secondary build, pull back until you lose aggro, then go back in when all the Restless Dead have fully regen'd. If my assumption's right, you'll end up being hit with hexes. If I'm wrong, you get Touch-spiked. Perhaps, during testing, it would be possible to see whether or not they're tertiary (technically primary) rangers, or if they're using an extremely high value of Soul Reaping to spam their skills. 128.255.216.144 16:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm with Gordon on this. I might not have much of a rep on here but, the AI for the enemy would have them lay the hexes around then start vamping the nearest shadow-stepped to person if it were the smartest AI in the game, read HM Slavers, ... Oh wait... (sorry had to have a bit of sarcasm in there). On the other hand, it's possible that they have all 8 skills(yeah there's only 8 reported skills between the two versions) on their bar and the weapon they're spawned with decides the AI or they can switch freely if the AI so chooses. Truly though, I'm gonna stick with Gordon. Naming two enemies that appear in the same group that have two very different builds with the same name just adds to the confusion and difficulty to the dungeon for people experiencing it for the first time. Arty 01:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- The Shadow Prison versions also sometimes wield a weapon with the same skin as the Ogre-Slaying Knife and the knife Idol, I'm assuming it's technically a sword like the Ogre-Slaying Knife, however they don't seem to attack, so I don't think it's possible to determine whether it's a sword and focus or a pair of daggers. -- Gordon Ecker 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Just today I was in Selvetarm's level in NM and I noticed that these guys were using their Touch skills with a staff out at certain points, and that they were auto-attacking my heroes. 128.255.195.88 19:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Even if they swap weapons, the build could still be the same. As all the skills are Necro/Sin and there are other monsters with two elites. So it is very possible. I think the page should stay as one with a note saying that they weapon swap between Staff and Daggers or Ogre-Slaying Knife model+Bone Idol. First thing needed to do to determine which of the two it is, is to look at the daggers of the Restless Dead and see if it matches with any dagger skins. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 20:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Symbols of Inspiration, Arcane Larceny and Arcane Thievery could be used to check their skill bars. If there's only one version, there should be a pretty good chance of getting a skill from the "Shadow Prison version" list and a skill from the "Spiteful Spirit version" list from the same monster. --
Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Symbols of Inspiration, Arcane Larceny and Arcane Thievery could be used to check their skill bars. If there's only one version, there should be a pretty good chance of getting a skill from the "Shadow Prison version" list and a skill from the "Spiteful Spirit version" list from the same monster. --
- After reading this, I've kept a close eye on these when fighting them, and I have never once seen them use skills from the other skill set. I could just have been extremly unlucky, but I'd suspect there are two creatures with the same name. Backsword 18:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- They are two separate creatures with the same name, like Lord Khobay's cronies. One is a toucher, the other is an SS. The SS one spawns in Dunc / Forge (hm only) and are pains, but the touchers are pretty tame nowadays. LunchboxOctober 21:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- After I just did Selvetarm's level on HM I can confirm this: I saw with my own eyes that a toucher version was equipped with daggers, switched to staff, but still used the toucher skills. Never saw any ghosties use any hex at all, but saw them switch weapons a couple of times.
- They are two separate creatures with the same name, like Lord Khobay's cronies. One is a toucher, the other is an SS. The SS one spawns in Dunc / Forge (hm only) and are pains, but the touchers are pretty tame nowadays. LunchboxOctober 21:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Restless Dead male & female[edit]
This should clarify the problem.
I noticed that the italian version of GW uses two different names for Restless Dead: one is called "Defunto Insonne", which means Restless Dead (male), and one is "Defunta Insonne", which is the female version. And I observed that the female version uses the toucher build, while the male version uses SS. I deserve further investigations, but I'm quite sure of that. Also, I don't remember if they have different skins or not. Ðαrĸ Яεvəηςєr 
11:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Revert wars[edit]
Are cool. 
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Tome[edit]
Seriously, not one report of which tome they drop in Hard mode? File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 12:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
