User talk:Fyren/Archive

If you wish to contact me, it would probably be best to use my GuildWiki talk page. --Fyren 18:11, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Well since you're on here, I'd like to know how I can redirect the templates since I'm taking your advice and straight-up linking them to images. Unienaule 22:52, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Redirect what? While eventually there may be some use for the professionicon template, until there is just don't use it. --Fyren 23:22, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Can you move certain categories from GWiki to here?

I believe the Skill and monster articles can be moved here fully (minus a few farming notes) since the information in them is not really authored content, but a listing of in game attributes. As such, can you make a bot or a database command to export all monster and skill articles? --Karlos 01:20, 8 February 2007 (PST)

How about the monster and skill boxes? I don't think we can use them as is. --Gem (talk) 01:40, 8 February 2007 (PST)

And what about skill icons? Although they had the borders added around them, we would just do it again anyway so why not move them over here too? Plus the originals have been made public by ANet allready. --Gem (talk) 01:41, 8 February 2007 (PST)

To Karlos, no, the formatting of the articles are copyrightable. You can look at GuildWiki to get numbers, locations, skill descriptions (which are from the game), but not copy and paste the same info since there are infinitely many ways it could have been presented. When it's just a sentence like "Foo Bar's sword is dropped by Foo Bar in Foo Land" there's no 'creativity' aspect in it. But on GuildWiki we decided there'd be a skill details heading, then the description, then an acquisition heading, then a list formatted in a particular way, and so on.

To Gem, besides the layout/formatting of the templates, the text of the templates would probably also be copyrightable even though it's not prose (similar to code). (Random note about skill templates: between Pan's contributions and my contributions, the skill templates aren't available anyway. Pan hasn't released anything under the GFDL and I released everything I did except contributions to the template namespace and talk namespace into the public domain.)

For skill icons, don't just use GuildWiki's because GuildWiki uses them. I don't think there's a problem with just copying them over since there's little or no creativity in adding borders, but figure out if people want borders like that on the images. In particular, if I were doing it from scratch, I definitely would not mess with the images and put borders around them using divs and CSS.

But anyway, I'm just looking around here to try to provide policy advice (and try to not just let things be done one way because GuildWiki does it that way). I'm not really willing to run a bot to do anything here. I'm still first an admin and the sysadmin on GuildWiki and only second a complainer/annoying guy/person who slaps on the copyvio template on Guild Wars Wiki. --Fyren 01:59, 8 February 2007 (PST)

I authored the BeastInfo box pretty much. So, given that I release it, can we move the bestiary stuff? If yes, can you facilitate that on GWiki's side? --Karlos 02:12, 8 February 2007 (PST)

"Pretty much" needs to be "everyone who made a non-trivial contribution" as of the particular revision of any article you copy over. Since you're an admin, you can use Special:Import here (Special:Export on GuildWiki). Give export a list of titles, save the file it gives you, then upload it with import. --Fyren 02:20, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Er, also, export will only give you the latest revision, so unless everyone that's contributed has agreed to releasing their stuff under the GFDL, there isn't a better solution than copying and pasting a specific "safe" revision. --Fyren 02:27, 8 February 2007 (PST)

What comes to the skill icons, I like the borders we have in GuildWiki. They should probably be discussed publicly as soon as possible so that we can get skill icons here soon. The problem with the fansite kit versions is that some of the icons have the borders, some not. That's why we decided to have them in the first place, to keep uniformity. --Gem (talk) 03:12, 8 February 2007 (PST)

The great majority of the icons don't have borders (I actually went through them recently for a private project). And like I said, they're willing to provide graphic artists to help, so they'll probably be willing to look around and see if they can get borderless icons if you can give them a list of which ones you need. --Fyren 03:48, 8 February 2007 (PST)

If the users decide against the borders then we definitely need borderless versions of all icons from the art team. --Gem (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2007 (PST)

I don't mind either way. If we didn't use border then it would have to be clear from the icon whether it was elite or not, in my opinion. LordBiro 09:38, 8 February 2007 (PST)