User talk:Yoshida Keiji/VFFF

I've never heard of this. Its either FFF or nothing. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 19:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I was just thinking the same thing. Gonna tag for deletion. Konig/talk 19:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

/agree – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

/disagree - see this: Documented Practice --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yoshida Keiji (talk) at 23:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC).

That would be VFFF anyway so the link is somewhat irrelevant. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

So, 1) this redirect is still pointless and at best VFFF should be made a redirect in this one's place, and 2) one guild uses the term where everyone else uses speedclear for the same thing - I doubt that such terminology is merited to be documented on the wiki in this situation. In either situation, this redirect should still be deleted. Konig/talk 22:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Not one guild, in my observation is the 3 largest alliances on each side. The point of the link is to show that such practice exists only. And... this time will not forget to sign. Yoshida Keiji talk 23:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the fact that VFF != VFFF. Konig/talk 01:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

VFF: Vanquish Faction Farming != Vanquish Fast Faction Farming so... Yeah okay VFFF would be proper naming, though if you go to top faction alliances and ask: -What is VFF?- Everybody will still know the answer. Most of the times I had ask why two "F"s instead of three, the respones I got were: -"Cant be arsed"-. So everybody here is correct and I will agree for the redirect as a second thought. But... Konig's concept about Speed Clear being the same as FFF is mistaken because SC points towards a Team Build. While VFFF is balanced and player friendly because it doesn't requiere any training, teaching or tutorial...it's just a Vanquish.

I will also add that this practice does have merit to be documented because it is used as a measurement method of activity across FFF guilds. Each weekend event that has impact on us, VFFF shall reflect a guild status by x3-x5 multiplication as active. Every guild/alliance leader is always watchful of these dates. And if you pay attention to the Cantha map, you will also find that it is exactly during these events that the major faction farming alliance suffer line-up changes across all groups that hold a town which is the same reason that causes inestability and headaches to leaders that are still green or unawared, while experienced leaders are always ahead of schedule and take precationary preparation for disafavoured situations. Yoshida Keiji talk 14:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Speed clear doesn't mean "imbalanced and profession biased" but means "doing something very fast" which is what VFFF is based on your page - speed clearing through vanquishes. In other words, the three in this section, but the page doesn't provide aid to the topic anyhow, and it's still a faction farm. (Side note: the most popular speed clears are imbalanced and profession biased, but the latter comes from players preferring the most efficient, and the former comes from how the areas shouldn't be able to be completed so quickly). Konig/talk 14:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Again...no. Theory versus Practice. If you say MQSC is same as VFFF you are mistaken because VFFF takes around 25 minutes and compared to MQSC that is done in 6-7 minutes... VFFF will never be seen as Spead Clearing...because it takes 4 times more "time" than a MQSC. Yoshida Keiji talk 15:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

(adding)...say...Could you not Vanquish Mount Qinkai explorable area in 25 mins with a regular team anyways? Yoshida Keiji talk 15:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Then I wonder - is that really "fast"? :P But continuing this discussion is relatively pointless. Konig/talk 15:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Lol MQ in 25... I managed 17 with my regular heroes first try about half a year ago. I bet with good organisation and planning you could get 14 min. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 15:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah for everybody involved in this discussion our game understanding is very good. But if you are the kind of player who is used to take others under your wings... their comments will tell you everything. It has always been my perception that 90% of Guild Wars community players are below an average of good quality gamers, being mostly composed either newbies (green but listens) and noobs (green but stubborn). The main page as I left it is imcomplete and I can self-overhaul it, but hence again...I did 2 overtime hours (check my post time) and dont want to do that tonight... And as I was saying when I take people with me... their speakings lets you know how they are taking the cooperative activity and for the ones who still need guidance as in a "big brother"... 25 minutes will be fast for them, not to us as clearly seen. Yoshida Keiji talk 15:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)