ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback/Warrior/Eviscerate

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Candidate for deletion

Apparently, 'This page is a candidate for deletion because: "Multiple inconsistent issues, trolling, and there is no issue in the first place.".'
Well, anything not relevant to the discussion or offensive in any way should probably be removed, but personally I don't think that "there is no issue in the first place" is a good reason to delete a page because whether there is an issue or not is surely subjective to an individual's view. The people who posted the issues would probably disagree. However, I think if it can be established that the skill is not in need of changes, or at least one or more of the changes suggested (though maybe this might require Izzy's say-so) then a suggestion should be removed or archived.
Just my opinion.

If you read the disscussion below, you'll find that only an handful of questionable support exists for a change. -- NUKLEAR IIV 10:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

76.26.189.65 Discussion

no --Lytel 22:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You don't nerf skills to force people to use other skills. You buff other useless skills (hence why this is used, not them) so they are viable.--Underwood 22:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes you do, at least thats how izzy does it. He nerfed sp bar because of that, divine boon, I could go on but it would be useless. Prokiller88 23:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes because they were OP. This skill, however, isn't. Dark Morphon(contribs) 10:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with morphon. This skill is perfectly balanced. If you want people to run other things, make them not suck. Hundred Blades, anyone? Quivering Blade? Enraged Smash? Forceful Blow? Cleave? Those are the ones that need tweaking. -Auron 10:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Nerfing Eviscerate is like nerfing Reversal of Fortune. You need a baseline skill to compare to and for warriors, this is pretty much it. --Life Infusion «T» 14:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Life fusion realized my thought exactly, you need a baseline and this is it. the only way people will use other elites is if thier as good as the baseline, but since the baseline is rather high attempting to buff things to the level of the baseline might make those overpowered. like i said i never said this skill is overpowered. Just lowering the bar for everything else 97.100.144.160 15:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

So why couldn't the sp bar be the assassin baseline, before the sp, horns,and black nerf that is, or the AoM bar be the dervish baseline or the LoD build be healing monk baseline? Because they were overpowered or over used or did the other skills just suck compare to it? Prokiller88 01:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh an:d heres a suggestion. Reducing the skill damage to +5...17...20 and reducing the adrel to 6 strikes. Prokiller88 04:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Or... leaving eviscerate alone and adding dazed to a hammer elite? Maybe cracked armor to quivering blade? -Auron 04:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

This skill does too much damage for an unconditional deep wound and having no drawback except for 8 strikes which is needed for pretty much all other warrior bars, except devastating hammer but that does no damage. Prokiller88 16:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

this skill is fine, its the other axe elites that are a problem.

Sign your name after your comment please. Prokiller88 20:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Compare Evis to Wearying Strike. Eviscerate takes much longer than 6 seconds to "recharge," does only slightly more bonus damage, and is elite. If evis gets nerfed (which it shouldn't), they'd have to knock wearying and pious assault down a few notches as well. Spammable deep wound is as bad a mechanic as party-wide passive defense, but eviscerate is nowhere near spammable :/ -Auron 15:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

wearying has been overpowered for a while, and they made pious as over powered as weary because they got tired of seeing weary. imho they both should be nerfed so that they have no + damage, and give the elite one some + damage. but this really is more of a case for balancing warrior, not dervish(who they continue to buff even if people tell them constantly thier overpowered) 76.26.189.65 16:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wearying gives you weakness and you NEED melandru to run it successfully or have a really good monk that will remove the condition quickly because everyone uses eremites or another attack after it. Pious' Long recharge and its lose a enchant kinda kills HoF to be used and your forced to use a second enchant as a cover which costs you about 3/4 to 1 sec to start a spike,the recharge and energy are high to use it continuously. Prokiller88 22:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

fail137.163.16.66 08:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC) ignoring the troll, and now addressing prokiller, again this isnt to balance warriors to derv, its only to balance warrior. saying changes that need to be made to dervish is essentially moot. 76.26.189.65 00:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I know its not but they brought it up. Still, even if this was lowered to 5...17...20 it would still be pretty powerful. There is no other warrior skill that does what eviscerate does. Decap has a big draw back, dismember has no damage and every other one is conditional. Prokiller88 12:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like nothing more to kill the baselines and bring actual build diversity. Sadly, they are too deep in the game. We just have to hope they won't fuck up GW2 like this. File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg nuke7 File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg 12:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I would love to see sword war's back in gvg. But that won't ever happen, just like how melandru is gonna dominate the dervish. Prokiller88 03:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

"Well, you're a great skill. We all love you, you've been a great and balanced meta throughout the entire game. Unfortuneately, you need to die now so these other shit elites can get some play." <---Not the way to get new axe elites into meta. buff the Shit, not nerf the balanced.--The Gates Assassin 15:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, izzy won't buff the shit skills. Prokiller88 22:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

You get a cookie for correctly addressing the issue. File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg nuke7 File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg 14:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

If you lived in a small town, with about 100 people, everyone in town was poor and hungry. All except for 1, the 1 hoarded the gold and food. Now would you suggest - Lets work harder and be as good as him, or Lets kick his ass and take his stuff 76.26.189.65 21:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

horrible analogy. It would be, like... In one town, there are 100 people whom are given gold and food by the government. The rest are ignored by the government, and are forced to go live in the gutter. We try to petition the government to give food and wealth to the everyone, because the government never runs out of food and gold. File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg nuke7 File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg 23:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

But hes not doing it, and yes the majority of the towns people in that analogy would kick that guys ass and steal his stuff. In times like those, most people don't think clearly. Prokiller88 16:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

We lack the power to order the government what to do. -- nuke7 File:Nuclear7 sig image2.jpg 21:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea we are kinda screwed. This 1 time payment thing is a double edged sword, you only pay once but you can't protest by stopping your subscription. Prokiller88 21:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Izzy, I'm telling you this right now. If you nerf this skill, you will make so many people rage quit this game it won't even be funny. Don't touch with this skill, it's not overpowered, it's just perfect. Try buffing other elites than making this one worse if you feel you want to see more of a variety. 67.71.49.151 02:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I am gonna quit if he doesn't nerf this skill. </sarcasm> Saying people are gonna quit is a stupid threat, though I do agree that nerfing this skill will not help other axe elites, consider how they fail to measure up to some of the better non-elites in PvP. However, any significant change will effect PvE usages as well. --24.199.97.20 19:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

yes! and leave other skills the hell alone! like ballad of restoration....its freakin useless now...happy?

The only reason why this skill is not overpowered is because the whole meta is based on it and the whole reason that its still the meta is because its not been nerfed. Increase to 8 adrel and reducing damage to max +30 is not a big nerf. The build has been around since the beginning of the game and it needs to be nerfed. Just like boon prot, just like r/me crip shot, and just like necros who have been out of the meta for the past year. Prokiller88 19:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The build has been around since the beginning of the game and it needs to be nerfed. We don't balance the game by nerfing perfectly balanced skills, we balance the game by nerfing broken skills that promote mindless and/or gimmicky and/or degenerate and/or unfun gameplay. Eviscerate is perfectly balanced. What else is there to say? -- NUKLEAR IIV 20:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It is unfun to play against the same build over, over, and over again. But hey as a guy said before don't fix if its not broken even if it is boring. Prokiller88 01:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It is unfun to play against the same build over, over, and over again. No shit, sherlock? The solution to that is stated many times already - buff the useless shit. -- NUKLEAR IIV 20:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

A nerf is an indirect buff besides, look at the assassin over the past year. They started out with sp bar with dagger attacks UNTIL it got nerfed. Prokiller88 21:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

SP and it's chain was broken to the eyeballs. Evis is not. Big difference. -- NUKLEAR IIV 09:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Sp needed to be nerfed, yes but like everywhere else, people will keep on using the same thing over and over again until they can't. Look at the Dervish too, almost no one used AoM until AoG was nerfed. Prokiller88 14:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

You use what wins? is that hard to comprehend? -- NUKLEAR IIV 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

No, its not hard to comprehend but the Eviscerate bar overshadows the sword warrior completely. Prokiller88 01:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

And the fix to that is to nerf evis? Why? buff swords, fixed? -- NUKLEAR IIV 16:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I would love to seem swords buffed but the skill balance team has always followed the nerf 1 skill instead of buffing 2 or 3. Prokiller88 21:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

And you want to follow their patterns, why? Those patterns suck. -- NUKLEAR IIV 17:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Damn, people are bad at this game. 76.64.59.250 21:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Srsly. Telling Izzy to nerf a skill because he won't "buff the shit skills" is a very lame excuse. 76.89.81.150 23:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I just think it's a very good indicator at how pathetic the whole "skill balance" idea is - the balancer, the feedback pages, and the end results. -- Armond Warblade 04:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

For once, agreed. Fix the useless to be useful. One of the few skills that can actually do a semblance of decent damage should not be nerfed. --Kalas Silvern 09:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

tihs skil can only be use on a wery strong and brave warior --Frozen Archer 16:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

This skill is well-balanced and doesn't need a nerf. However, it certainly doesn't need a buff (as all the other posters are suggesting). The only reason to nerf it at all would be to provoke use of other builds (and you can see above how much people like that idea) and maybe to counter power creep and whatnot - especially given the high-powered stuff we have nowadays as a result of it - but I don't think that would go down well either and certainly not taking 11 points from the maximum bonus damage (at most 1...25...31 to 2...22...27 or whatever, if anything, but I think they would take the opinion that such a small nerf isn't worth the effort).

If other axe elites were simply slightly poorer or even just less popular than this I would say, "yes, a very minor nerf could shake things up a bit", but as it is they all stink and need a buff anyway, which is a better solution. Don't buff this though, nerf Wounding Strike and all that if you must but this is better as it is.

New suggestion

Is so lolastic. Next, nerf shock and bull's, cause they don't exist on dervishes. -- nüklaer | VII | selfless self promotion 18:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

What moron put the 3rd suggestion up there?

BTW, Searing Flames is inferior to Wail of Doom, let's make SF lower all attributes of the whole enemy team by 8.

Buffing good skills to meet the level of overpowered skills is not how you balance a game. You nerf the overpowered ones first. ~Shard (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The same guy who did this. -- NUKLEAR IIV 20:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)