Talk:Birthday Present/Drop research

due to the tradeability of these are we limiting data to what youv actualy got out of a present or ones you currently own to stop overlaping--Demonthorn 18:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

You might want to fix the tables. The formula is off.--DrogoBoffin 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Any better? if you mean the fact that it doesent calculate % im not entirelty shure its posible--Demonthorn 18:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

IMO only miniatures people actually got out of presents themselves should be counted. -- Gordon Ecker 23:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

As this is a birthday present research, only opened presents are interesting. Otherwise I could say "Hey, I bought 300 minipets but opened only one present..." poke | talk 16:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I can see what your saying but in theory all birthday minis originaly came out of a present so you would just put your total minis in the presents colmn--Demonthorn 16:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Then I open a present, add the miniature to this list, then I sell it to you and you add it to the list as well. One present -> two minis. You get the point? poke | talk 16:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh i totaly agree which is why i started this discussion :); Should i add something to the page indicating that we only want presents that you opened?--Demonthorn 16:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Clear enough? :) poke | talk 16:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Very nice :)--Demonthorn 16:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ugly code

I know this page is how things are done, but I like fancy things like: this handy googledocs web form. Just throwing that out there. — THARKUN 05:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Difficult to modify

This page is extremely difficult to modify. Is there a way to clean it up so that we can actually add our research? Furthermore, why does this page include percentages if it cannot calculate them? Is there anyone who can create a template (similar to the Vanquisher template) that could be used? I'm not quite comp savvy enough to do it myself. Mohnzh say what? 17:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That template doesent do pc ither from what iv seen no real calculations can be done like an excel document for example if someone can link some, my code re-hashing is good enough to modify it :)--Demonthorn 18:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

there are curently 2 ways to put info into the table

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and

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| 4 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 ||align=right|--[[User:Demonthorn|<font color="blue">'''Demonthorn'''</font>]][[ Image:User Demonthorn sigicon.jpg|19px]] 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

both of wich give

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--Demonthorn 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

the second although tidyer on the code page isnt as easy to use (personaly) Talk:Lunar_Fortune uses the same system as i think do all the drop research sections.--Demonthorn 19:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I see. I guess with 14 minipets per year, there isn't much to be done to simplify the coding without making it very difficult to be certain you are inputting in the correct column. It looks like the tables on the Lunar Fortune talk page had percentages that were calculated outside of the wiki, meaning that they did not update automatically. Has anyone considered using the LaTeX feature to create tables and percentages? I know it's powerful enough to do it, but I am not familiar with it enough. I could get my wife to teach me, though... Mohnzh say what? 19:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

i just read the article on L^AT_EX on Wikipedia and cant seem to get the code to work properly this might however just be the fact that i have no idea what im doing with it :D if you think its something useful and can work out a working template it might be worth sugesting it for a roll out across the board good luck :) --Demonthorn 21:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

My wife is "fluent" in LaTeX and uses it for nearly everything she does (including writing her doctoral thesis, etc.). She also told me that of everything, tables are her least favorite thing to do in LaTeX and she avoids them at all cost =/. She will take a look and see if she can show me what to do. Mohnzh say what? 22:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I found out LaTeX is only for coding with a format that can create math formulae easily. It does not actually DO math. Oh, well. It seems like there ought to be a way to automate the percentages, though. Mohnzh say what? 23:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

i don't know how to edit the pages at all, but would anyone be able to add this? I've had one fourth birthday present and it was a fire djinn, thanks Duke Falcus 13:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

never mind, i got it sorted :D the total will need redoing though Duke Falcus 13:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Excel Spreadsheet

I have an excel spreadsheet available of all the data of all the birthdays. It's up to date as of my last time stamp on the page. If anyone wants their own copy of the excel sheet leave a note on my talk page and I'll email it to you. BOTNGiggles / Talk 00:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't want to mess with table

I got a Spider for my 3rd year. — Seru Talk 03:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I also suck at tables, but i got a list for you.

First Birthday: Temple Guardian(3), hydra(2), Whiptail Devourer(2), Siege Turtle, Burning titan

Second: Harpy Ranger, Juggernaut, Roaring Ether, Fire Imp, Thorn Wolf, Palawa Joko, Gwen

Third: Cave Spider

-[[Ubiquitous 67.240.219.57 19:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)]]

I too am muchly suckish with tables (virtual, I'm fine with wood), but i got A Mini Kirin for my 1st Mcdertr 23:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Actual percentages

Has anyone tried to figure them out, given the extensive data at this point? I have a guesstimate.

First, here's a table with the combined results from all the years, calculated for each color and then for each unique mini in that color (a lot of the totals in the tables are actually wrong and need updating <_< I did my best):

Color	#	%	%/ea
Green (1)	5	1.58%	1.58%
Gold (2)	15	4.75%	2.38%
Purple (3)	44	13.92%	4.64%
White (8)	252	79.75%	9.97%
Total (14)	316	100.0%	N/A

Generalizing this to "clean" integers gives:

Color	%	%/ea
Green (1)	1%	1%
Gold (2)	4%	2%
Purple (3)	15%	5%
White (8)	80%	10%

This makes sense in the way that each mini of a higher color has about half the chance to drop from the more common color below it, correctly justifying the rarity. The only way I see this being wrong is if they didn't do integers, but went a decimal point or two further, but I somehow don't see why they would do that. What do you guys think? Rose Of Kali 22:38, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

i updated the totals to the best i could.

some of the numbers seemed a bit stupid though, one of them said they opened 1 present and received one of the white minis and 5 of the green. i edited the 5 greens to say 0

you're table looks good though, maybe we could add some extra tables to the page? i feel the page could do with a 5th birthday table and one for a total amount of different raritys and percentages like what you've done here. Duke Falcus 21:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I visited this page to jot down my thoughts on actual %s and found that Rose of Kali had already worked it out with the same numbers as my findings. In practice, I just opened 32 year one presents and my highest gift was Rurik, with no other gold/green opens. You can calc out the probabilities for this but I think it is the most likely result from 32. Whether this is fair or not is a matter for GW players to decide. Personally I'd implement a white mini trade in system to allow players to trade up for their missing golds and greens.

Updating totals

i will be updating all the totals later today. (including percentages) I'll try and remember all the minis that I've had as well and add them.

sorry i forgot to sign the last message but everything has been updated Duke Falcus 17:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

7th Birthday chances

Hi i went out of my way to acquire 224 7th Birthday presents in pre searing and had some interesting results.

These are my counts:

Purple : 133 (59.4%) Gold : 66 (29.5%) Green: 23 (10.3%) 7th : 2 (0.89%)

The sample is only sized 224 but I believe it would be representative with high confidence of the purple gold and green 1-5th present chances and it is clear that the 7th rate is far smaller than the 1-5 minis.

The rates may not be exactly as my small sample shows (60,30,10) but I believe the 7th mini rate to be 1% achieved by subtracting 1% from each chance for a purple, gold, green, whether or not this would be equal to 0.6, 0.3, 0.1 or some other combination such as 0.7,0.2,0.1 etc.

I would also intuitively think that the rates of purple/gold/green are reflected within the 7th roll table itself. Asymptomatic (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)