Talk:Destroyer

Armor, creature type, resistances and vulneribilities

sf eles be warned, EotN is not the place for you. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 03:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

not just SF. ANY fire nuker is basically screwed. there resistant to fire, and they dont burn. id suggest a lightning build (i wish i could bet my diablo 2 orbsorc into gw... :P. -TehBuG-

Ya, it's kinda crappy, considering my entire build is Fire magic.--§ Eloc § 04:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

i just tested with a hero ranger carring winter. a fire spell does the same damage weather on not its fire damage. turns out fire eles are just as screwed as any ele. looks like glyph of ele power and Intensity are a required part of EOTN for eles.... also, carry echos and E-blast. -TehBuG-

Tested it minutes ago on the first Destroyer in "A time for heros". Cast Rodgort's Invocation and Fireball on him, then placed Winter and cast these two firemagic skills again. With Winter up the Destroyer took exactly double the damage. --Elhuhn 12:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Are these guys weak to water magic spells?

no, they just have huge armor vs all elements from the looks of it. -TehBuG-

Destroyers have high resistance to everything, but they are slightly weaker to cold damage than other damage types.

In general, elementalists can be very powerful in GW:EN, so long as they are willing to change between different elements depending on what they're fighting. The Far Shiverpeaks and the dungeons found there have many creature types which are weak to fire damage, while destroyers and many of the creatures found in the fire dungeons are weak to cold damage.

Andrew McLeod (Freyas) - ArenaNet creature designer 08:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you kill them beneath Lion's Arch?--§ Eloc § 04:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

um, you dont. you run away from them. -TehBuG-

Well I know that. I was just curious if there was a way you could kill them or are they to strong for anyone to kill?--§ Eloc § 16:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Anybody test if they count as demons for the purpose of Demonslaying or +Armor vs. Demons mods yet? Skuldnoshinpu 21:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ogden sais in the hall of monuments that they are "fiendish" creatures. -TehBuG-

Destroyers are not demons, so they will not be affected by these modifiers. They have their own unique army and family.

Andrew McLeod (Freyas) - ArenaNet creature designer 08:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

personnaly i'm a bit dissappointed in this. The whole dwarven passive is dedicated to the title, and there's almost no destroyers in the game, if you don't count missions and quests then they're only in one dungeon and a challenge missions. I think its kinda lame to level a title to level 8, then only to wonder where all the destroyers are. skills like alcars alchemical acid work better on destroyers, as long as you are able to find destroyers of course. Rhydeble 17:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

deldrimor title and skills are for the quests after the three-pathed part of GW:EN's storyline. after gaining all those allies, you only fight against destroyers, nothing else. they don't appear in normal explorables, so they're harder to get. that's why deldrimor skills are overall better. - Y0_ich_halt 17:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

errm, harder to get? the only really hard ones are several from the norn (beating up a lvl 28 spirit spam boss and winning the tournament). the dwarven ones are plain easy except for attack on jalis camp, which can easily be solved by just standing at the upper stairs and fight only one wave. also once you completed the final missions you'll probably be around rank 3 or lower, thus it is very unnecessary that you rank your title up. also dwarven rank is the easyest to rank Rhydeble 19:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You need R5 for the Dwarven armor.--§ Eloc § 19:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Armor tables

I tested the four elemental damage types against the destroyers and found that they have a 50% malice to cold and a 40% resistance to fire. Earth and lighting are the same. I used ancester's rage for lighting so armor penetration would not mess up the numbers.- Lucci Slevin

I just did some testing against a level 28 Destroyer of Lives in A Time for Heroes.

Damage type	Skill	Base damage	Damage vs. destroyer	Damage percentage	Armor
Physical	Ursan Rage	105	50	47.619%	~103
Cold	Vapor Blade	109	96	88.073%	~67
Earth	Stoning	109	52	47.706%	~103
Fire	Inferno	142	48	33.803%	~123
Lightning	Lightning Surge	106	50	47.170%	~103

A level 28 caster monster has an expected armour rating of 84. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I've done some testing and calculations:

Damage
Damage type	Skill	Base damage	Target
			Bones 28	Earth 28	Flesh 28	Sinew 28	Deeds 28	Hordes 24	Hordes 28	Hope 24	Hope 28	Thoughts 24	Thoughts 28	Lives 28
Physical	Ursan Rage	105	35	52	27	27	41	51	41	61	50	61	50	50
Cold	Vapor Blade	143	68	101	52	52	47	58	47	118	96	118	96	96
Earth	Stoning	109	37	54	28	28	25	31	25	64	52	64	52	52
Fire	Inferno	142	34	18	26	26	23	29	23	59	48	59	48	48
Lightning	Lightning Surge	106	36	53	27	27	47	30	47	62	50	118	50	50

Percentage of base damage
Damage type	Skill	Base damage	Target
			(Bones) 28	(Earth) 28	(Flesh / Sinew) 28	24	28	/ 24	/ / 28
Physical	Ursan Rage	105	33.333	49.524	25.714	48.571	39.048	58.095	47.619
Cold	Vapor Blade	143	47.552	70.629	36.364	40.559	32.867	82.517	67.133
Earth	Stoning	109	33.945	49.541	25.688	28.440	22.936	58.716	47.706
Fire	Inferno	142	23.944	12.676	18.310	20.423	16.197	41.549	33.803
Lightning	Lightning Surge	106	33.962	50.000	25.472	28.302	44.340	58.491	47.170

Estimated armor
Damage type	(Bones) 28	(Earth) 28	(Flesh / Sinew) 28	24	28	/ 24	/ / 28
Base	122	100	138	102	114	91	103
Physical	123	101	138	102	114	91	103
Cold	103	80	118	112	124	71	83
Earth	122	100	138	133	145	91	103
Fire	143	180	158	152	165	111	123
Lightning	122	100	139	133	107	91	103

I'm working on two more tables: one for difference from expected AR (in other words, the typical armour rating for a monster of the same level and profession) and one for difference from estimated base armour. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I miscalculated some of the armour rating values. The table's been updated. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Estimated difference from expected armor
Damage type	(Bones) 28	(Earth) 28	(Flesh / Sinew) 281	24	28	/ 24	/ / 28
Estimated base	+18	-4	+18	+20	+20	+19	+19
Physical	-1	-23	-2	+20	+20	+19	+19
Cold	-1	-24	-2	0	0	-1	-1
Earth	+18	-4	+18	+21	+21	+19	+19
Fire	+39	+76	+38	+40	+41	+39	+39
Lightning	+18	-4	+19	+21	-17	+19	+19

1. Including +16 from a shield.

Difference from estimated base armor
Damage type	(Bones) 28	(Earth) 28	(Flesh / Sinew) 281	24	28	/ 24	/ / 28
Physical	+1	+1	0	0	0	0	0
Cold	-20	-20	-20	+10	+10	-20	-20
Earth	0	0	0	+31	+31	0	0
Fire	+21	+80	+20	+50	+51	+20	+20
Lightning	0	0	+1	+31	-7	0	0

1. Including +16 from a shield as part of base armour.

Destroyers tend to have approximately 20 more base armour than typical monsters of the same level, -20 armour against cold damage and +20 armour against fire damage. Destroyer warriors lack the standard warrior bonus to physical armour rating. Destroyers of Earth seem to have typical base armour for their level, but are vulnerable to cold damage and have unusually high armour against fire damage. Destroyers of Flesh and Sinew have approximately 16 more armour than Destroyers of Bones, presumedly due to shields. Destroyer rangers have the expected +30 armour vs. elemental damage, level 28 Destroyer rangers are vulnerable to Lightning Damage, but level 24 rangers are not. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ritualist, dervish and low-level destroyers are still missing.

Destroyer armor bonuses and penalties
Destroyer type	Base armor1	Physical2	Elemental3	Cold	Fire	Lightning
Standard4	+20	0	0	-20	+20	0
Destroyer of Bones	0	-20	0	0	0	0
Destroyer of Earth	-20	-20	0	0	+60	0
Destroyer of Flesh Destroyer of Sinew	+165	-20	0	0	0	0
Destroyer of Hordes (level 24)	0	0	0	0	0	-40

1. Standard base armor is level*3 for casters, level*3 + 10 for rangers, assassins and dervishes and level * 3 + 20 for warriors and paragons
2. Excluding the expected +20 physical armor bonus for warriors.
3. Excluding the expected +30 elemental armor bonus for rangers.
4. Cumulative with bonuses and penalties of specific Destroyer types.
5. Consistant with a shield.

Here's a simplified table. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This table indicates a significant vulnerability vs. lightning damage for Destroyers of Hordes, which is not included in other articles. Are these results out-dated or otherwise incorrect or do the articles require updates? --Hatch 21:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why/how Gordon found such numbers, but I was never able to replicate it. Manifold 22:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

External links

Isn't that a Destroyer of Thoughts in the "Kotaku: Screenshot labeled GWX-Destroyer, apparently depicting a Destroyer elementalist" link? 118.92.169.45 23:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Would Ward of Harm be useful against these, as I assume that quite a few of them do fire damage. 92.8.50.167 15:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It would probably only be useful against the Destroyer Tremor and the Destroyer of Lives. They're the only ones that do fire damage. Though it would make sense if they all did, considering they're made out of hot chunks of lave. XD -- Wandering Traveler 15:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Tyranids?

You know. This hive mind, this Monsters-highly-resistant-but-dealing-huge-damage-to-even-the-thickest-armor and having a very powerful ability to multiply themselves makes them even related isn't it?

Live for the Swarm! Paddymew 22:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

StarCraft was heavily inspired by Warhammer 40,000 (which was heavily inspired by earlier science fiction and fantasy works). -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and there also are no Zergling-type destroyers which overrun you with sheer numbers. But Tyranids have the same "lower" ranks of units. And if we look at the art for the Tannek, it looks more like a mutant elephant than an alien insect. Paddymew 08:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, the Destroyers of Flesh/Sinew remind me a bit of Aliens (from the film of the same name).User:Elvynd Doomscythe 12:58, 1 December 2009

And the dwarves remind me of Space Marines! --Boro 14:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)