Talk:Egil Fireteller

Egil Fireteller

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Hi Gaile, not sure if I should ask you or Emily but here it goes. Why is there a Norn Paragon, specifically Egil Fireteller. Did Hayda teach him the ways of the paragon or he did he go all the way to elona to be a paragon? I know this is very trivial but I can't seem to understand in the Guild-Warsverse how this is possible. Hehehe. If an explanation is added, I'd probably add it as a Trivia on his page Renin 16:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

it's right that paragons are seen first in the south of the world of tyria, with implementation of Nightfall. But there are also assassins and ritualists, which were first seen in factions...well, only because we have to create non-core characters in specific campaigns does not say other npcs have to learn this in elona or cantha. He is far not the only paragon in EotN. —ZerphaThe Improver 16:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you're trying to say but as I was basing it from both of their lores/history. It is true that using just core professions would suck but again, as far as their history is concerned it seems really off for a Norn to be a paragon. That's all what I'm trying to get at. Renin 17:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I think he learned the profession from others that have travelled from Elona. Alaris 17:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I think what he is trying to say, is that Norn fight alone, yet a Paragon is a leader of many. So why would a Norn be a profession that is more prone to fighting with and directing groups. Kinda contridicts the Norn. ....just my 2 bits. Med Luvin

Ah. I agree. But then again, Paragons are still useful even if they don't bring skills that affect allies. Just not AS useful. Also, they do sometimes team up to hunt, and this particular Norn might prefer social hunting more than others. Or he just likes wearing skirts. Who knows? Alaris 18:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Latham is a Norn Paragon as well. He seems to prefer hunting with other norn. —ZerphaThe Improver 20:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

And they both carry at least 1 skill that affects all party members. So they are social hunters. That, and having some range and a good armor would be helpful for the type of game these guys go for. Alaris 20:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

He's also a storyteller - I think that has influenced the profession Arena Net gave him. The closest we have to a "storyteller", or a bard/ministrel/something like that, in GW, are the paragons. Erasculio 20:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe that according to lore there are several years between the three campaigns and Eye of the North, so it is quite possible that the professions from various continents mingled over the years, after all three became connected... -- Frozzen 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

True- remember that the three continents were all fairly isolated before their respective world-shaking events. On the other hand, we see a lot of monsters native to the EotN areas with non-core professions, and of course we have Anton who's an assassin who grew up in Ascalon. So, I think it's more just that ANet's taking liberties now that the line between "core profession" and "expansion profession" are blurring.

Even if lore-wise it's possible to have assassins and paragons in Tyria, it's not plausible to pull off mechanics-wise since they don't have Prophecies skills, profession-specific quests, armor crafters, etc. They could change things around to incorporate them, but it would take a lot of work, and I doubt it'd be high-priority enough to actually get done. 216.19.236.170 01:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

If you open your copies of the manuscripts, you'll see that there was trade between the three... continents? demi-worlds? Regardless, there was plenty of time for things to mingle before stuff hit the fan, and yet it didn't. (While it's easy to see, from a real world point of view, why this didn't happen in prophesies, one might think that if things were going to be mingled, prophesies skills could be taught in factions and assassins and ritualists could be trained in nightfall.) Armond 05:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I should confess that I never really paid much attention to dear Egil's profession. Let me ask the writers and designers about this to see if I can garner a response about this interesting observation. -- Gaile 06:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that the other races developed the professions independantly. According to The Ecology of the Charr, the Charr learned magic from the Titans. As for why the various races all invented the exact same professions, I think the most likely explanation is that, from a lore perspective, the profession system is much more fluid than it is from a game mechanics perspective, for example Hogni Truthseeker used to be a Warrior, but is currently a Ritualist. Anyway, ritualist and paragon are very thematically appropriate for the Norn. -- Gordon Ecker 06:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is there such a debate? Egil has a spear, spears make sense for the Norn because you can hunt with them, spears in GW terms are the weapon used by paragons, therefore egil is a paragon based on that. --Ckal Ktak 11:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm merely asking lore-wise. Read my original post. I'm not sure if the Norns are the traveling type, you know to cross Ascalon, head towards the Dessert and across the desolation. This is only my opinion hence I asked Gaile. Renin 13:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe paragon teachers went to the north to learn people about being a paragon XD ???

Taking a nibble on the lore bait there, ;) I would guess that the Norn are not nomadic, and don't travel out of their frozen homeland. That's just a personal impression I get from meeting them and listening to their history. What do you guys think? -- Gaile 16:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

That's also one of the speculations and one of the reasons why I asked you how a Norn could be a paragon. I'm not bothered why there are alot of monsters that are paragon but since Norn will be a playable race; and that it too will take center stage in GW2, is the reason why I want some consistencies. So I really do wonder :D Renin 00:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, we cannot be sure who trained Egil in the ways of the Paragon, but he likely learned the profession during his early years when he traveled to the southern kingdoms. -- Gaile 04:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Elona is pretty far south from the Far Shiverpeaks :P but I guess that's the point of travelling. Do we know if Anton trained in Shing Jea or if he just developed assasin skills? And is Hayda of Krytan origin or is she from Elona? Anon

Awwww.Oh well, I was just curious as to how being a guardian of elona (this is according to the description of what a paragon is) could be taught to a Norn. Perhaps it could be some traveling Sunspears out to protect the world as someone has suggested. Hayda could have possibly traveled first to Elona then moved around. As for Assassin and Dervishes, according to their description it would be easy to understand why lore-wise they are who they are in Eye of the North. Sure it would not take to go to Shing Jea to become an Assassin as you just have to be pretty stealthy to be one. Again, all speculation and my opinion. It could differ from anyone else. Renin 09:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Drop Bug

during blood washed blood... he get killed and... --lussh 17:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

lol Paddymew 09:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This also happened to me during the Destruction's Depths Quest after he died. December 22, 2009

I also had it happen to me :D, dropped a top left for me hahaA Liability 21:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Egil from Egil's Saga

Could this NPC be a reference from the Icelandic poet named Egil? I noticed the NPC talks about telling stories, and Egil was known to be a poet, as well as, a beserker. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.208.54.115 (talk) at 08:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC).