Talk:Ice column statue

Uh, thats just a statue like the ones in kaineng city. Its even the same model as the kaineng ones, just frozen rather than burning. Don't try and read into everything :-/ — Skuld 19:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree, it's so thin compared to the one in the Charr Homeland. Also, hibernating with your head at the top of a big ice pole isn't such a good idea... br12 • (talk) • 19:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Is the deletion remark a bit of vandalism? It certainly seems like it. Also, what's the point of moving it to an article with all lowercase? I think that it looks a bit ugly. I'm going to go ahead and remove both. AtraAstrum 07:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the lowercase name should be used because this isn't an official name or title of the "dragon". It is just something a player made up, I think. The deletion tag was put up by Skuld in his oh so humourous way, but I believe this page should be up for deletion. I had not heard of this "dragon" before, and iirc it wasn't mentioned in "the Movement of the World". Also, the Drakkar is highly presumed to be the Far Shiverpeaks dragon, not this one (if indeed this is an ancient dragon). -- br12 • (talk) • 16:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Very well, just wanted to see the reasoning. :) I'll put it back up. AtraAstrum 16:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Drakkar looks more fierce O.o--The gw fan 23:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not it's the dragon of ice and snow, the landmark definitely exists. I've moved it to a more descriptive, less speculative name. -- Gordon Ecker 03:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

anyone think it looks like its wrapped round a crystal from the searing.

--Iplaile 18:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC) I found a Dragon statue in the Salt Flats which I don't remember. Are there others appearing maybe?

That was a statue of Glint the Forgotten made it. Also if it was from the searing that part of the Shiverpeaks would look like Ascalon, it's ice - Giant Nuker 23:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe whoever shot that crystal was blinded? :p personn5 23:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

They were firing crystals just over the wall, that's not very hard even when blind. - Giant Nuker 13:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that it might have been the dragon champion, mentioned in Destiny's Edge.

Ancients

removed- IN the new GW2 trailer it shows the drakkar (from the lake) this is not the dragon of ice, it is a statue, watch the trailer youll see the drakkar, so that trailer proves it is not an ancient(i would log into accout but it wont let me cookies are enabled, right password just wont).--99.52.93.171 16:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)Lord randy taylor

How does it prove anything? The trailer may not have shown all of the dragons- in fact, it's more than likely it didn't. – Emmett 16:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

BUT it shows the drakkar clearly and plainly --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:99.52.93.171 (talk).

Ok... and? That doesn't immediately exclude this one :/ – Emmett 16:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

look at the head of the dragon in the end, does it look like the giant iguana carved into the ice, no it dosent

It's very possible they just chose not to feature this one, if it is a dragon. We should leave it as unconfirmed until it becomes official. – Emmett 20:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Lord randy taylor, I probably just missed it, but where exactly does it show Drakkar in the trailer? If you could find the exact minute and second, this occurs in the youtube video that would be great.

For the record, I also agree that the statue is just that- a statue. Damien Hellchaser 17:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with it, it is kinda clear that there is one dragon per "area" the one in the shiverpeaks is the drakkar one, im putting a disputed tag on it C4K3 Talk 18:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thought he disputed tag is probably a good idea, couldn't this [1] also be one of the dragons then? I'm sure its just a pretty statue.... Damien Hellchaser 18:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna lol if people start thinking thats an ancient dragon, i dont realy see why people think this is, no lore indicates it is, its just some statue, like theres already alot of, it just dosnt make sense that this could be an ancient dragon C4K3 Talk 18:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I remember reading something in The Movement of the World about a dragon awakening somewhere in either the Far Shivs or the Charr Homelands and then flying south to the mountains between Elona and the Crystal Desert. This was definitely NOT Drakkar, because it also stated something ELSE about Drakkar being IN the far shiverpeaks and NOT flying south. I'm willing to bet, however, that it awakened in the charr homelands and not in the far shivers. 66.69.254.164 01:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

That would be the Water dragon C4K3 Talk 10:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Im confused on why this cant be a dragon. Just because it isnt effing huge wrather then rediculously huge doesnt mean it cant be a dragon at all. Doesnt have to be drakkar in order to be a possible dragon in general. Justice 00:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a combination of things. Size, closeness to Jormag (in Drakkar Lake), and that the only thing it looks like it could be a dragon over would be ice, which is already taken by Jormag. I find it unlikely to be an "air" dragon like many believe (and that Kralkatorrik might be taking that), and finally, and by far more importantly, every other dragon was mentioned in the Movement of the World, this has not. -- Konig/talk 02:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

And there are no lesser dragons? At all? not even possibly? Who the hell said it has to be the "master" of something...And not simply discounting the possibility that there are other glint/kuunvang like dragons around that may simply be "hybernating". Sorry if I offended you oh master of all gw lore. Justice 05:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The discussion is on whether it is an Elder Dragon - or as they were known back then, Ancient Dragons, as per the section title. I find it most likely, btw, that this is a general of Jormag. -- Konig/talk 05:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and please don't call me a "master of all gw lore" - because I certainly am not, despite what others always say. And you didn't offend me, I was saying why it isn't. Bolded for emphasis, not annoyance/anger/shouting. -- Konig/talk 05:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion it's an serpent in line with celtic mythology (http://www.ancientspiral.com/dragon.htm) Didis 06:40, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh konig it cant be a gerneral of jormag cause there is no lore supporting it! Cant speculate it either because there is no lore supporting it! And btw, if your ego hadnt been blinding you, you could have realized that i wasnt appologizing to you, infact i was mocking. Justice 22:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

A general of Jormag is far more likely than it being an elder dragon - or a dragon unrelated to Jormag (unless it was killed by Jormag, which is very much possible - heck, it might just be a giant lizard which is more likely than anything I just said). And I know you weren't apologizing to me, I was just playing the kind card - or, I should say, I was thinking that you were thinking that I was upset. I know you were mocking me, though I have no clue why you have anything against me. Even though a lot of people somehow think that I'm some egotistical asshat who can't do anything but think I'm right. Because that in itself is completely wrong. Everyone has an ego, and mine is no bigger than the average man's ego, and I know very well that I am not always right. I don't even know you yet you have some form of grudge against me. Seriously, it's the internet and you're pissed at something I have no clue what about. *sigh* -- Konig/talk 01:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps im just pissed because i cant be so ignorant of my own ego. who can say, perhaps we should just not say. GL and HF. Justice 03:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it is likely the General, seeing as Jormag is the dragon of ice, it's made of ice. Primordus was the Dragon of Fire and Earth, and The Great Destroyer was made of, oh look, Fire and Earth, both shared slightly dragon-like looks, while being basically super elementals. The Glow near the statue is like the glow you get on jormag's head. just idle speculation mind you, but hey 205.188.117.5 22:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)Icer Master

Well we know from a recent GW2 trailer that the ancient dragons have smaller (but still big compared to us)dragon-like beings as servants, with it being surrounded by ice beings like Jomag in the lake, I'd say it being a sleeping general or somethings is plausible -- Jelix 23:09, 11 August 2010

Theoretically is this were Jormag's general or dragon related to jormag, then what is primordus going to do? we... DESTROYED his general so does that mean his 'Army' is gonna be handicapped and the dragons are gonna jump him? that seems unfair 65.191.246.62 21:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Primordus has new champions/generals/lieutenants/whatever the hell they're calling them these days. gw2:Destroyer of Life for one, though that was killed (just as the Dragonspawn of Jormag and Morgus of Zhaitan were). Konig/talk 22:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

In-game

I went up to this "ice dragon" and by its head it looks more like a frost wurm than a dragon and I was looking at it at the base of the ice column. - Giant Nuker 19:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Norn .

Could this statue simply be dedicated to the Wurm spirit the Norn worship?

if wurms looked like that, and had legs, then I'd say that's a possibility. Though it doesn't even have norn structures near it. Konig/talk 20:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Jormag?

In the Guild Wars 2 Beta the sons of Svavnir depict Jormag as a snake/worm like creature wound around a column. For me it looks like a more detailed version of this guy, with the legs removed. Frostasche 21:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Jormag awoke in the arctic ocean north of Tyria and moved south. This thing is - at best - either a statue of him or a champion like Drakkar. Konig/talk 01:25, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

So you think the possible, that ArenaNet had the full lore for GW2 already created when Eye of The North came out, is higher then that the ice dragon got later relocated further north? Especially the information about it raising further north is a late addition, else the Drakkar is the ice dragon discussion was a pretty pointless one. I am pretty sure this is the first version of the ice dragon ever shown to the public.Frostasche 10:37, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Originally, Drakkar was to be Jormag, but that was altered after it was put in (unknown whether before or after EN release). This creature is fairly tiny in comparison to Drakkar and that was "too small" - I think originally this was to be a champion and Drakkar being Jormag, but now *both* are champions. And no, I don't think they had the full GW2 lore back then, and I bet that they didn't have the idea of what Jormag's statues would look like back then either. I think the spiraling nature of the statues by the SoS are more based on how Jormag is a reference to the Midgard Serpent from norse mythos (Joermangund or something). Konig/talk 20:12, 1 May 2012 (UTC)