Talk:Inscribed Ettin

SoCed. Backsword 06:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

File:User neil2250 EttinJotun.jpg Confirmed,they DO drop jotun armor,not ettin armor --Neil2250 16:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Ettin or Jotun?

So it's technically a Jotun because of the drops? Or is it an Ettin? I'm currently in the process of fixing some species types so I changed this one to Ettin because it was categorized as one. Note also that it is listed on the list of ettin bosses and that there is no list of jotun bosses. This also applies to First Inscribed, Inscribed Sentry, and Inscribed Guardian. Please discuss here. -- Kirbman 04:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I would think the simpler explanation is that these are misnamed jotun. Perhaps Anet intended them to be Ettin, but then forgot to double check the details in the database.

On the other hand, I don't believe there's any way to test whether something is Jotun vs Ettin (no weapons/skills that deal bonus damage; no armor/skills that provide extra protection). So, we can choose to classify them as Ettin, if we like.

In the first case, it would make sense to tag the name as an {{anomaly}}; in the second, the drops would be anomalous. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

This also includes Forge Masters. After going through the pages of basically all of the ogres, I think that Inscribed Ettins, Inscribed Sentries, and First Inscribed are ettins. On the other hand Forge Masters and the Inscribed Guardian have only one face and a mohawk despite wielding ettin clubs, so I would say that they are simply ogres. All 5 dropping jotun equipment is probably the result of copy/paste. -- Kirbman 06:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

My suspecion on this topic is that the jotuns and ettins are listed as the same affiliation mechanically speaking and that drops are based on creature type and affiliation. We know they share the same creature type and most Prophecies, and likely Factions, creatures that hold different trophies based on location are likely set to the "wildlife" affiliation, thus altering their drops - while EN doesn't have such due to the rarity in wide-spread foes.

Alternatively, it could be that the EN Ettins were just all arsed like a couple other things, and rather than making new trophies and salvagable items they just used jotun as they were also ogres (and less digging through Prophecies' coding to find the old drops - from what I understand, Prophecies' coding is very sketchy compared to the later games due to it being mostly by scratch and raw coding). Konig/talk 16:33, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

GW has three kinds of trophies: Per 'army', per 'family' and 'per creature'.

An example of 'army' trophy would be undead trophies, which are the same regarldess of them being ghouls, skeletons or other things.

An example of 'per creature' would be things like Iboga petals. Ibogas drop their 'family' trophy (seeds), but they also drop their 'creature' trophy (Iboga petals).

Whatever the type, they are always the same within a range of levels. For example, Undead in Nightfall will drop skeleton arms when they have low (NM) levels, even if hey are mummies or ghouls, and they will drop mummy wrappings when they have high (NM) levels, even if they are skeletons (as seen with the skeletons spawned during several quests) or elementals (Carven Effigies DO drop mummy wrappings) or even the Lich himself. Since the ogre-slaying mod works with Jotun, what we can deduct here is that "Jotun pelt" is the trophy for either the family or the army of the Jotun, and that eye of the North Ettins and forge masters share one of these. Thanks to the ogre-slaying knife we know for sure they share the Ogre family. So my best guess is that it's a family thing. Meaning that "Jotun pelts" are 'ogre trophies' for Eye of the North ogres. MithTalk 23:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)