Talk:Kurzick faction

Any reward given to the player(including donating to the guild/alliance), will increase the Kurzick Title (1 faction = 2 points towards the title). This is false. Getting Amber only does it on a 1:1 ratio. --Deathwing 20:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and updated the info, which I think is correct. I seem to recall completing Arborstone earns you Kurzick faction, but I'm not positive on that. I'll check it sometime later. Tedium 22:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

500 faction for completing Arborstone --Valshia 22:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

FFF = Doing Quests

FFF is basically just doing the quest very fast, so I don't see why there should be 2 things that say the same. ~~Brodly 17:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Because they aren't the same. FFF is running one quest over and over and over. However, this is not the only quest available to be done and one can reach 10,000 faction without ever doing that one quest. Thusly, they are not the same. Nbajammer 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

'Completing quests in the Echovald Forest region of Cantha, where the Kurzicks live.' Doing FFF is what that says, nothing more ~~Brodly 17:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

See http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/House_zu_Heltzer#Quests. There are a LOT more quests than the one for FFFing. Nbajammer 17:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but FFF still falls under the bigger and more general doing quests in Echovald Forest. ~~Brodly 17:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

This is incorrect. Please see FFF. You can do quests in the Echovald without ever touching FFF. Therefore, they are not the same thing. Nbajammer 17:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I dont say you have to do FFF, but FFF is the SAME as doing quests in Echovald Forest, since it's also completing quests in there. You just do it on another way, still the same. Should we list almost every quest, since you do quests in Echovald without doing it? ~~Brodly 17:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

(RI) No, it isn't the same as doing quests. See the first link I gave you. I could do every quest there and not have FFF'ed at all. Therefore they are not the same thing and can be listed as 2 different things. Quests also do not need to be listed on that article. Nbajammer 17:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I can also do every quest there besides Artistic Endeavors for example, should we go and list it? ~~Brodly 17:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

That falls under completing quests. FFF involves running a single quest over and over and over and is something different. Nbajammer 17:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

You just said it, Running (completing) a quest over and over = completing quests ~~Brodly 17:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I said it is running a quest over and over and over. It is not completing quests. We could argue about this ad nauseum, but the fact remains that it isn't the same thing (and that is why the article has been that way for months on end), and why it was reverted. Continuing to edit the article to reflect them being the same can be seen as vandalism, and will be reverted as such. Nbajammer 17:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

So although you get the reward you haven't completed the quest.. makes no sense at all ~~Brodly 17:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It's called repeatable for a reason. That's how FFFing is done. Take it, turn it in, rinse and repeat. Nbajammer 17:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thus you are COMPLETING A QUEST, it doesnt say completing quest in Echovald without doing repeatable quest ~~Brodly 17:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Re-review the links I've given you, especially FFF. First line of the FFF article states "Fast faction farming or FFF involves doing repeatable quests...". Note it does not say that FFF involves doing ANY quest. They are not the same, end of story. Nbajammer 17:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The article doesnt say ANY quest anywhere... Anyway im quitting this discussion since you aren't going to lose an argument even though you know you're wrong, and I want to play now ~~Brodly 18:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

(RI) That's right, it doesn't say any quest, because only a specific quest applies and that is why they are not the same. I'm not going to lose an arguement when I'm right. As I've said previously, editing the article to reflect that they are the same when they are not can be seen as vandalism and will be reverted accordingly. Nbajammer 18:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Fast Faction Farming is repeating one specific, and repeatable, quest in order to gain its faction reward. It's a specific name for a specific action -- doing that quest over and over. There are many ways to get faction, and FFF is one of them. Completing quests is another, however, there is a difference between that and FFF: FFF requires completing a quest, but completing quests doesn't mean doing FFF. -- Brains12 \ talk 18:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thats why I said it as "One way of doing this is..." ~~Brodly 21:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I read here, it seems that you think FFF is the completion of any Kurzick quest. If I've misinterpreted that, I apologise, but that's what my comment was intended to clear up. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No, that was one of the things Nbajammer made up ~~Brodly 16:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't. If you review the links I gave you as well as my remarks above, you will clearly see that I told you that FFF involved repeating a single quest, and that completing any quest was not the same. Nbajammer 03:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Come on guys, let's not argue semantics. I've edited the page to reflect both sides. -- ab.er.rant 06:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The page already did, check the history as well as Luxon faction. FFF was listed as #3 on both pages. There was never a problem with it in the first place. Nbajammer 14:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Whether there was any problem before is irrelevant. A page could be left untouched for one year before a dispute happens because it's only one year later that a user with a different opinion chances upon it. I think you may have just misunderstood Brodly's meaning when he tacked on that ill-fitting sentence. Brodly was probably just trying to say that since FFF involves a quest, and there's another point that's specifically about quests, these two points are more related to each other than they are separate; that's why he tried to put them together. And (unless I misunderstood) I kinda feel it's better to put FFF as a subpoint when viewed in this manner. But, on the other hand, if you feel that FFF is more about a farming strategy than a quest, please do revert my change and also do update the wording for the FFF point to play down the significance of the quest and maybe word it like FFF is an example of a farming run or something. That would get an agreement more successfully than outright accusation of vandalism; Brodly was just trying to help. -- ab.er.rant 07:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

(RI) By simple definition, FFF means Fast Faction Farming which is entirely different than doing quests A, B, and C. FFF is farming of Kurzick faction by repeatedly doing a single quest over and over, completing quests is not farming but rather going to outpost A and doing quests there then going on to outpost B and doing the quests there and so on. That is why the edit was uncalled for and unjustified. Why Brodly does/did not understand that is beyond me, and really none of my concern. My concern is that as a wiki we need to be defining things for what they are, and not what they could be considered. Thusly, by stating that FFF = Quest completion it would be vandalism for defining 2 things that are functionally and definitively not the same as such. Nbajammer 17:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I have now updated both pages to reflect the fundamental differences between FFFing and actual quest completion. I also linked specifically to the quests that are ran for the purpose of farming this faction. While I agree Brodly was trying to help in good faith, I feel that a little more research before making the edits in question would have been appropriate. Nbajammer 17:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

12/13 Canthan Protector

I have tried to explain (here and under Luxon faction) about how to do both the Kurzick missions and the Luxon missions for the Canthan Protector title. I'm now doing both Befriending (Lux/Kurz) quests, but I still haven't figured out the relationship between Kurzick or Luxon for the purposes of completing the Factions game and getting the Canthan Protector title. I thought I had to choose between Kurzick and Luxon.

Faction cap

The page currently says "The faction cap is initially 10,000, and can be raised as high as 70,000 by completing various achievements. " 10,000 plus all the numbers in that table adds to 60,000. Where does the other 10k come from? --82.226.191.237 16:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Did you count 1k per Kurzick rank? -- Alaris 19:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You start with a 10k cap. -- Kirbman 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Faction Rewards

The footnotes at the bottom neglected the fact that in order to buy a Kurzick/Luxon skill, you have to be a PvE character. I added that in for ya :) 91.105.247.144 16:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Invoking the Saints

This quest gives 750 Kurzick Faction, but I don't see it listed. I'm reluctant to edit the main page, so I just wanted to add a note here. Gren (talk) 00:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

"The table below provides a summary of quests in and around House zu Heltzer that can be performed to obtain faction points."

Technically that quest requires traveling through the entire Echovald Forest and not just around HzH. ¥oshida Keiji(talk) 04:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)