Talk:Punish

I've NEVER heard this term used --FireFox 08:52, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Same. Vote delete. BlastedtGuildWiki page 09:08, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Strongly disagree. Have heard it way too often, almost always in the context of PvP, but it could just as easily be seen from the point of view of PvE. Scourge Healing spread on your foes punishes the E/Mo in the back who keeps spamming Heal Party; Backfire punishes for casting spells, and Empathy for attacking; Irresistible Blow punishes defensive stances, and Bull's Strike punishes fleeing. That sort of thing. Again, it's a very valid term that should not be deleted. --Dirigible 09:21, 11 February 2007 (PST)

I am an active PvPer in both GvG and HA. Perhaps it is a term only used in your guild? --FireFox 09:39, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Definitely not. I mostly guest around with other guilds and PUGs nowadays (since my guild is getting more and more inactive as time goes on =\, most have grown tired of the game) and have heard this term be used very often. What else would you use to describe "you can go ahead and do it, but it'll hurt you"? "You can camp that ward, but be prepared to be knocked down half the time by my Irresistible Blow". "You can spam Searing Flames under Backfire, but be prepared to cause tremendous damage to yourself while doing so". It's not "countering", since you're being allowed to try and go ahead doing whatever you want to. You're just not being allowed to get away with it without paying a hefty price (KD, damage, etc). You are being punished for it.

By the way, please don't rush to delete this page. So far 2 of us know the term (Gordon Ecker and myself), and two don't. Lets wait and see what other editors have to say. --Dirigible 10:43, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Add me to that list Dirigible. :) I've used the term, occassionally in the context of the posted article, other times, in a different context, it's a valid term, i'll add to it and see if it changes any of your minds. :)--Narcism 10:47, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Me 2 ive used/heard it many times ~ Kurd

Common term, removed tag. — Skuld 10:59, 11 February 2007 (PST)

Common term, added to the PvP tactics category.--Drekmonger 17:30, 11 February 2007 (PST)

I feel that the term "punish" is misused in much of this article. Saying that backfire punishes the use of spells is, to me, not a correct usage of the term. Rather I see punishment as game mechanics designed to discourage the usage of a specific tactic. For instance, AoE "punishes" teams that camp wards. Additionally you could "punish" an 8v8 spike team by splitting them, exploiting their inflexibility and punishing them for playing such a narrow build. The concept of "punishing" overextensions that is already in the article draws upon this idea also.

I dont' think the term is being misused, but feel free to to add the part about aoe punishing wards and splits punishing spikes, i think that would be include to include. :) --Narcism 16:50, 15 February 2007 (PST)

I think that both definitions capture the same spirit. One is just in the scope of a single skill's effect, while the other is in a larger tactical scope. That is, one refers to skills that are specifically used only for punishment, while the broader definition is any use of a skill for a punishment effect. Both really refer to the same idea: inflicting consequences on an opponent in an effort to deter them from doing something (as opposed to actually stopping them, interrupting them, or otherwise suppressing their capability). --Fanha 23:45, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Does that resolve the discrepency between punishment skills and punishment as a tactic?--Fanha 23:56, 15 February 2007 (PST)

My earlier problems with the thread have been resolved. I think separating punishment skills and punishment as a tactic was a good idea because lumping them in together just didn't make sense. gotta love the hamstorm reference as well

Meaning is different from punish how?

How does the meaning differ from the common usage of the word? This page seems to describe exactly what I would expect the word to mean in context based on knowing the real meaning of the word, it doesn't differ. Should we add attack here? Or how about heal? This word isn't a term, it's simply a word which has the exact same meaning of the real word "punish" ie a negative consequence for a relevant action taken.

Uh yeah I kinda aggree. Dark Morphon(contribs) 16:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Because it's the only euphemism used for this kind of behavior. --164.47.99.88 16:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)