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Salma said something about reconizing them; an helmet with wings on it? it reminded me to Astrix and Obelix. --Mann 07:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Is this really needed?[edit]

There's pretty much next to nothing of them in GW1 at the moment. Couldn't we just delete this and link to the gw2w page? -- Konig/talk 22:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

More about them could be adding with the whole Guild Wars Beyond thing. Just leave it. 22:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
They exist in GW1, so what's the problem? We have articles on Zhaitan Kralkatorrik and Master Botah, and they aren't directly relevant to GW1 either. It's not hurting anyone where it is. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Lol no article on Zhaitan, and Botah is on a shaky foundation. Anyway, the wiki pretty much documents everything that happens within the "time scope" of the game that the players are in. So Seraph would stay as it is mentioned and may play a role in the future. The Emmisary 21:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Good catch :P I don't see how Botah is on shaky ground - it's to do with GW, have to document it somewhere. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Botah isn't on shaky foundation because it is a historical figure (though of little importance). What I meant was that the Seraph are pretty much... non existent in GW1 or before. The GWW is for GW1 and prior information (lore and mechanics), Botah is pre-GW1 lore, the Seraph is... hard to say. If there ever becomes another mention of them in GW:B, I won't have an issue but like I said, they're rather non-existent at this point. Edit: As to Kralkatorrik, that's a very obviously existent landmark. The page isn't for the being elder dragon, per say, but the landmark elder dragon. It is seen in the game, the Seraph, no. There's only a singular mention that they will be formed, not that they are. -- Konig/talk 21:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Botah isn't worth a page it should be trivia on Togo's page or some shit. The Emmisary 21:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Botah isn't Togo, though. Botah is Botah. He is a piece of lore, or should all of the short pages be merged to make a big one with no real topic to it? I think not. -- Konig/talk 21:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
No I just mean in this case since he isn't even mentioned. Just put "Togo's predecessor was Botah." and list some source. The Emmisary 21:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Why should we make a trivia note for something already mentioned on the page? Just leave it be. -- Konig/talk 21:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Blue Mace Lady[edit]

My speculation: possibly leads to conversion of Monks into a new profession in GW2 Ox rider 07:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The Seraph are not a profession. They are a human-only organization and thus wouldn't be likely to influence professions. Especially the professions of other races. It is getting annoying how many times I see this idea. -- Konig/talk 07:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


Seems to me that this is a direct reference to The Matrix: Reloaded, should this be included in a Trivia section? 18:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Where is the reference, exactly? I don't recall a new group of humans appearing from enemies and allies and having winged symbols in any matrix movie. -- Konig/talk 03:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The oracles guardian is named Seraph, since it's such an obscure name and they are both guardians of something rather important it seems like a direct connection to me. btw that first comment was mine from a different computer.Indigo121 17:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The Seraph are angels, and the Seraph have wings on their armour, so I think it's got nothing to do with The Matrix. --smøni 17:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
As Smoni said, seraphs are an hierarchy of angels, I believe they are the ones with six wings (where as regular angels and guardian angels have 2, and there is an order with 4 I believe - there are also orders of angels with up to... was it 16 wings? Or was it 9? It's been a while). There are 9 kinds of angels, three of them being angels, guardian angels, and seraphs. There are also angels that start with a c the name of which I cannot recall which are closer to chimeras than traditional angels and are the king of angels seen on the Ark of the Covenant (supposedly). -- Konig/talk 23:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
I believe the other type of angel you are thinking of is Cherub, or Cherubim. They are the angel(s) that are put at the entrance to the Garden of Eden with a flaming sword to guard it. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 15:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, that is what I meant. -- Konig/talk 20:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

triva 2.0[edit]

Just a funny fact the Seraphim are mentioned in the Book Of Isaiah ^^ and I know confessor Isaiah is named after Isaiah Cartwright but still kind of a funny fact The Holy Dragons-- 10:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)