Talk:Shiro'ken
Is a Construct just a synonym for Shiro'ken, and is used merely to denote boss forms. For that matter, what about Bound Spirits and Spirit Binders? If so, how about redirects pointing here being used on those pages, and then add a note explaining such along with links to said besties?--Voltaire 17:41, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
Andrew McLeod has already stated that hey are Demons. Since somebody keep changing their species to Shiro'ken, should we ask again McLeod? MithranArkanere 16:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Reference?[edit]
The name "Shiro'ken" reminds me strongly of "shuriken", a tradtional Japanese weapon. Worth adding as trivia to the page? --Mme. Donelle 04:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- it sounds related, but how exactly is it related? I don't see much of a similarity.
Wandering Traveler 06:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know, seemed relevant when I posted it. >_o I guess the idea is that, aside from the obvious Asia->Cantha reference, Shiro'ken are essentially weapons. It may not be a clear reference, but I find it unlikely the name is coincidental. --Mme. Donelle 06:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- ...Unless the "ken" suffix means something along the lines of "from" or "belonging to" in Japanese. :/ --Mme. Donelle 07:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I can see that. but from what I'm seeing, Shiro'ken is just taking shiro's name and adding a japanese prefecture "Ken" to it. the suffix is used when it is necessary to distinguish between the prefecture and a city/person of the same name. So Shiro's allies are Shiro'ken. provided I got the defenition of prefectures right....but ya. >.< Wandering Traveler 07:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- and it looks like you beat me to the "ken" suffix idea....curses! :) Wandering Traveler 07:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- 'Ken' may mean a lot of things depending on how you write it and wich language are you talking about. The most usual meaning in Japanese is 'sabre, sword, blade, clock hand'(剣). The default Shiro'ken model (Human-shaped with 6 swords instead of arms) proves that 'Shiro's Blades' or 'Shiro's Swords' are the most probable meanings. Mith
Talk 16:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I guess it was a coincidence after all, then. --Mme. Donelle 21:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- Though "Shiro's Swords" seems quite interesting, perhaps that can be added as trivia. --Mme. Donelle 21:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, it's not a coincidence. Shuriken means roughly 'hand-thrown blade'. It not only refers to those start-shaped shuriken, it also refers to other projectile weapons like some types of darts. The last kanji is probably the 'ken' as in Shiro'ken (shu·ri·ken 手·裏·剣), the same ken than means 'sword' and 'blade'. MithTalk 21:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't mean that; shuriken are obviously blades, I mean that ANet probably didn't deliberately call Shiro'ken such for the sake of them sounding like "shuriken". --Mme. Donelle 23:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, it's not a coincidence. Shuriken means roughly 'hand-thrown blade'. It not only refers to those start-shaped shuriken, it also refers to other projectile weapons like some types of darts. The last kanji is probably the 'ken' as in Shiro'ken (shu·ri·ken 手·裏·剣), the same ken than means 'sword' and 'blade'. Mith
- Though "Shiro's Swords" seems quite interesting, perhaps that can be added as trivia. --Mme. Donelle 21:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I guess it was a coincidence after all, then. --Mme. Donelle 21:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- 'Ken' may mean a lot of things depending on how you write it and wich language are you talking about. The most usual meaning in Japanese is 'sabre, sword, blade, clock hand'(剣). The default Shiro'ken model (Human-shaped with 6 swords instead of arms) proves that 'Shiro's Blades' or 'Shiro's Swords' are the most probable meanings. Mith
- and it looks like you beat me to the "ken" suffix idea....curses! :)
- I can see that. but from what I'm seeing, Shiro'ken is just taking shiro's name and adding a japanese prefecture "Ken" to it. the suffix is used when it is necessary to distinguish between the prefecture and a city/person of the same name. So Shiro's allies are Shiro'ken. provided I got the defenition of prefectures right....but ya. >.<
- ...Unless the "ken" suffix means something along the lines of "from" or "belonging to" in Japanese. :/ --Mme. Donelle 07:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know, seemed relevant when I posted it. >_o I guess the idea is that, aside from the obvious Asia->Cantha reference, Shiro'ken are essentially weapons. It may not be a clear reference, but I find it unlikely the name is coincidental. --Mme. Donelle 06:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Appearance[edit]
Notice Shiro'ken look like other creatures encountered throughout Cantha:
- Mesmer - Phoenix,
- Ranger - Tengu,
- Elementalist - Dragon,
- Necromancer - Mantid (not sure),
- Monk: Kirin
Don't know about the others. 77.166.63.187 13:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Assassin and warrior: Humanoid. Ritualist: Naga. Note that they share the animations, but the appearance isn't always close enough. MithTalk 16:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Other Shiro'Ken ?[edit]
Are Mesmer's Construct, Warrior's Construct, Assassin's Construct,... shiro'ken ? Leonardo 10:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, as would be the reason their creature type is listed as "Shiro'ken (boss)" - because they are bosses, they're not on the list on the main page. -- Konig/talk 01:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Contradiction[edit]
This line seems to contradict itself: "Stronger spirits, such as those of Tahnnakai Temple are capable of resisting the control of the Shiro'ken, and Shiro can control them at will." Can this be clarified?
