Talk:Zehtuka's Jug

Area(s) Found

I thought it may be helpful to make a list or map of area(s) where it spawns.

Gwynna Vive 02:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Just found one a bit north of the 'D' in "The Ruptured Heart"Noelahg 18:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's the location in the Ruptured Heart. Mystical Celestia 01:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

found by the "P" at the poisoned outcrops, forgot to take a pic :/ --85.210.43.249 12:22, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

A note on grammar

Warning: Grammar geek content to follow. Proceed at your own risk.

I noticed there's been some disagreement on the grammar, so I figured I should explain why I'm making a change. This is a minor issue but "three other Zehtuka's items" is not grammatically correct. The problem is that "three" and "Zehtuka's" are both determiners, and in English a noun can only be modified by one determiner. As an example, consider that we can say "Those are two dogs" or "Those are Harry's dogs", but not "Those are two Harry's dogs". It's either "two of Harry's dogs", or you reword it to say "Those two dogs are Harry's". So it could be fixed by adding the missing "of" (three of Zehtuka's other items -- "other" is an adjective and must stay with "items") or since "Zehtuka's" is actually part of the title for each item, it could be put in quotes, which changes it from a determiner to a noun adjunct, which is OK (three other "Zehtuka's" items).

See? I warned you this was for pedants only. I won't claim to be an authority on all grammar, but I'm pretty sure about this one. I think the problem with the other correction is that it sounded awkward, so hopefully this one will be more acceptable. Sorry for the length. Grammar is a passion, I can't help myself. -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 17:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

PEDANT PEDANT PEDANT! You are right though :) --Lemming 18:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

While we're on the subject of grammar, "...is one of four other items..." implies that there are five items total. I believe it should say, "...is one of four items..." without the word other. Especially since in the next sentence it refers to those items as, "The other three items..." - Desbreko 11:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"OK" isn't a word, it is "okay". Fail.

"OK" has been a word for at least a century and a half. At least take a moment to look something up before declaring "fail". -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 18:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, neither of those words are determiners, which by the way is a closed class whose members include neither Harry's nor two. Your test method is correct for determiners, but you certainly can say, "Harry's two dogs", which means two is not a determiner. And while only usable in very particular context, if you were dating Harry, you could say, "my Harry's two dogs," which means neither word are determiners since they both follow my, which is a determiner.

The reason it sounds odd is because the sentence is missing an of, as in, "there are three other of Zehtuka's items." Another less awkward way to state this would be something along the lines of, "there are three other items bearing Zehtuka's name." --★KOKUOU★ 19:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

"Two" is a determiner in English, since English determiners include the cardinal numbers. "Harry's" is technically a determiner phrase, but it serves the same function as a determiner. I was flat-out wrong three years ago when I said that an English noun can only be modified by one determiner; they can be chained together, and there are three types (pre-, central, and post-). It's predeterminers that generally don't co-occur ("two all dogs" makes no sense), but postdeterminers (which both "three" and "other" are) can co-occur. So the phrase "Zehtuka's three other items" is fine, with "Zehtuka's" being a determiner phrase functioning as a central determiner, and "three" and "other" both being postdeterminers. You could even stick a predeterminer on there and say "All of Zehtuka's three other items". And yes, you can say "Harry's two dogs", but both words are determiners -- "Harry's" is a central determiner and "two" is a postdeterminer. "Two Harry's dogs" doesn't work, but not for the reason I said before. It doesn't work because the determiners are in the wrong order.

Also -- you're correct that you can say "my Harry's two dogs", but note that "my" is a determiner modifying "Harry", while "Harry's" and "two" are determiners for "dogs".

I really should know better than to write anything about grammar because it's so hard to get perfectly right, but I just have a passion for it for some reason. I knew that "three other Zehtuka's items" wasn't right and wanted to explain why, but didn't get it quite right. Clearly there's always more to learn. -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 20:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)