User talk:Isaiah Cartwright/Overpowered Skills/Archive 1

Resurrection Signet

Since we're posting every heavily used skill I'm just going to get this up here before someone else does. Res Sig dominates PVP to the point where between 1 and 6 people on every single team run it (excluding American district RA players of course.) That alone makes the skill obviously IMBA, I mean, everyone is running it so it must be broken.

In my opinion this skill has been broken for quite some time, they're DEAD ffs, how is a signet supposed to fix that? The biggest problem with this signet is that it's free. Someone (or a lot of someones) expended a tremendous amount of energy to make your teammate take a dirt nap. In the name of skill balance res sig should be changed to cost as much energy as was expended by people while killing the person who you are now using the signet on. I think this would encourage people to use other ressurection skills and would improve build variety noticeably. --85.214.71.55 11:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

"everyone is running it so it must be broken". I lol'd. It's fine. –Ichigo724 19:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The only conclusion I can come to when reading the above by anon is that they're being sarcastic. I truly hope this is the case, however, I'd also request that people not add sarcastic entries to these pages, simply because there are enough additions that are questionable already from people who earnestly believe certain skills are overpowered, without also adding in entries from people who know something isn't overpowered and post it anyways just to create more strife. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Res sig is a fundamental part of high level pvp play. A single morale boost could mean the difference between victory or defeat, which adds an incredible amount of strategic timing to GvG and HA teams. High level PvP almost seems like it was based around this skill. Keep it the way it is. This isn't the overused section, it's the overpowered section. Millions of players use Sundering, but sundering is pathetically weak compared to vamp, it's not broken even though it's overused. Popularity is not a prerequisite for power. Shard 23:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Why use Res sig, when you can use Rebirth lulz, and pwn evre1. Readem Sorry, I'll stop trolling now. 23:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Rebirth? Pfft Unyeilding aura even takes up your elite slot, doesnt get much better than that.--72.74.237.104 09:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

They have fixed this for PvE, with the new scrolls you no longer have to bring a res skill. That's SWEET! Nicky Silverstar 07:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

1) I'd rather save the scroll that costs a significant amount of resources to craft 2) Can't be used in PvP which is the overall focus of this series of articles -elviondale (tahlk) 15:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you like remove this, then what will professions that don't have ,, or as part of their professions? (As in the Resurrection Signet)--§ Eloc § 01:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Either secondaries or tons of defense -elviondale (tahlk) 01:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Lets please not justify this totally ridicolous suggestion with an actual discussion. --ChronicinabilitY 06:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why not? :P Worked here.

But yes, maybe this is a discussion best suited for the Resurrection Signet talk page. -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.>.cнаt^ 06:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Charm Animal...as stupid a suggestion as it was, MAY actually in somepeoples mind be worthy of a discussion, i personally felt it wa every bit as ridicolous as it could be, however the discussion took place. With Res Sig there is no player in their right mind who would find it overpowered. Notice i say 'Player' this excludes trolls that just want to be the centre of attention. Also there is nothing to discuss here, it's never going to get nerfed so don't clutter a wiki page with a pointless discussion. --ChronicinabilitY 06:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree Rez Sig is currently imbalanced (There was a time when it wasn't though). It rewards careless gameplay and extends matches longer than necessary or desired. It should not be recharged with morale boosts and it should take longer to cast. 70.132.2.120 02:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

OMFGWTF! --ChronicinabilitY 05:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

BBQ!one1! plox? -elviondale (tahlk) 07:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with 70.132.2.120, Res Sig should take at least 5 seconds to cast and should be easily interruptible. --87.106.79.223 08:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes 5 seconds sounds about right (4 seconds would be ok too). Easily interruptible? Nah, you don't want to make it useless. But yes it needs to be harder to pull off. Nature and binding rituals take 5 seconds to cast so why should Rezzing your teammate be so easy? People want to assume Rez Signet is "balanced" because it is only one time use (without morale boost). But think again, how many times do you really want to rez your teammates in a fight (Answer: as little as possible). What's the cheapest and safest way to Rez someone in pvp (Answer: Rez Signet). And remember Rez Signet costs 0 energy and revives a teammate to 100% health and 25% energy. So that's why sometimes you even want to let your teammate with close to zero health and zero energy die so you can rez them back to full health and a nice amount of energy. Another thing rez signet does is STEAL the job of rezzing away from monks. Monks in any rpg are the class that are supposed to handle rezzing. Not Warriors, not Rangers, not Elementalists, not Mesmers, not Assassins. (Necromancers, Dervishes, Paragons, and Ritualists are ok though). However, in Guild Wars, you will be called a bad player (or insert your favorite insulting term here) if you are a pvp monk with a hard rez. Why? Monks are supposed to be primarily responsible for rezzing in any situation (unless your monk is dead someone else has to rez the monk). People say because the monk is spending time rezzing that other teammates still alive wont be able to be healed or get protection. Wrong, good monks will look for opportune times to rez. Also, rez signet rewards bad monking, bad defense in general, or bad offense (like overextenders). Teams should pay a heavier price for failing to keep their members alive and the responsibility to correct those failures (rezzing) should be appropriated to monks (primary or secondary you can argue that later). Why should warriors, rangers, or elementalists be responsible for rezzing? Their focus should be on damage, so we can say "A warrior rezzing means the opponents not getting killed or attacked". It only makes sense for warriors to continue fighting even as allies drop (or they run away). So Skills like IWAY and Retreat fit warriors perfectly. It doesn't really make sense for a warrior to put down their sword for 3 seconds and then their allies come back alive at full health however. Thanks for reading wall of text and hope Rez Sig is nerfed (let the dead rest in pieces). 70.132.2.120 11:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you should lose a testicle if Res Sig is interrupted. --Deathwing 08:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

These crap Ad hominem attacks on the OP are very close to GWW:NPA imo. Address the post, not the poster. --195.71.90.10 08:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

So what makes you all think that this is overpowered? It's been the same for OVER 2 YEARS! How does all of a sudden it makes it overpowered? If it's never been changed since the game has been released, why is it suddenly overpowered now, but not before?--§ Eloc § 11:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

NPA? LOL I'm not seeing that.. Am I missing something? but yeah, I def. agree with Eloc. This is a bit rediculous. People sometimes confuse overpowered-ness with good tactics. The fact that its equipable on all bars kinda nullifies any discussion. -elviondale (tahlk) 15:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

So just because a skill remains the same for 2 years means it is fine? In that case maybe you should look at Aegis Spirit of Failure Price of Failure Spirit Shackles. These skills stayed the same for about two years but now they're nerfed because they were overpowered. So the question is: why are you not willing to consider the notion that Resurrection Signet is overpowered? 70.132.2.120 02:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

So? Resurrection Signet is also a common skill, how can it be overpowered if EVERYONE can use it?--§ Eloc § 03:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Godstrike - Spell. Target foe dies and cannot be resurrected. 5/.25/1

Not saying that Res Sig is overpowered, just that your thinking if flawed...--Deathwing 03:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Stop feeding us --209.160.32.149 04:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC).

Trolls and other silliness

Personaly, i think this is the most overpowered thing in the game. And since were putting everything here i think this is a good place to note something... DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!... if someone is obviosly posting something for a WTF reaction.. ignore them... The rez sig comment above was pretty obviosly either a joke or a troll (anon, starts with "Since we're posting every heavily used skill " and ends with completely obsurd comments...) The only reason the discussion is still going on is because people keep replying to it only to have random anons agree(very possibly the same anon in disguise, hard to tell with anons)... please think before you react... and dont waste time on silliness like this. For 1 it clutters the page, and 2) Izzy knows better than to even give it a thought... Now if Izzy rsponds in favor, then feel free to open the WTF flood gates;)--Midnight08 07:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Midnight is right we should ignore people's we disagree with and call them trolls. lulz. --87.106.79.223 08:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The only trolls here are the ones adding junk like "LOL" and "WTFBBQ" silliness and clutter to the page. 70.132.2.120 09:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Really? I feel that people who use "fucking idiot" and such words along with unregistered posters with opinion that "people who only play 8v8 pvp are a superior race and those who also occasionally play 4v4 as well lose credibility and should be burned at a stake, or just bow to those who only play 8v8". Sorry but that's trolling and junk. Servant of Kali 09:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thx to whoever added the image too fits the mood i was going for better =)--Midnight08 09:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

We need a PvP admin who will clean this section properly. We don't need a standard admin who will only clean some obvious thrash. The problem atm is that Over/Underpowered skill section has no admin (other than Izzy I guess) who can clean the stuff that obviously does not belong there. I find that.. rather disturbing as Izzy will get lost among all the data and won't notice stuff that really needs fixing. Servant of Kali 09:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I guarantee that your "stuff which doesn't belong here" will be a lot different from someone else's "stuff which doesn't belong here". If Izzy wants to archive certain things, he's welcome, but beyond that this is an 'open discussion, and it is not your place to dictate who may speak. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Considering you're one of admins/mods directly responsible for complete destruction of any constructive posts on GWO, I'd be very reserved if I were you when it comes to discussing quality approach. And you're right, I can't dictate who may speak nor was that my intention, but I can voice out my opinion on who shouldn't speak and topics that shouldn't be discussed. In the end, this is Izzy's talk page and it's up to him true. Oh and of course that "my stuff which doesnt belong here" will differ from others, that's a good thing. If someone says 'monks are underpowered' and spams a whole section about that, let's all just switch off our brain discrimination because hey everyone is entitled to an opinion and who can tell what's good and what's not. How on earth do you people survive in the world out there it's beyond me. Servant of Kali 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Trolls need a buff. Give them mending touch. — Skuld 09:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Mending touch? Why not mending and rez sig. They'd be just as resilient as those roaring ethers. It is a talk page... why not just archive it and then not link to it. Eventually an admin will delete it due to no linkagery ^_^ -elviondale (tahlk) 15:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)