Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2008-10 bureaucrat election/Defiant Elements

can someone sum up the reasons why you weren't elected before? - Y0_ich_halt 19:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

He wasn't as popular as the leading candidate. -Auron 19:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

...yarr - Y0_ich_halt 19:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Defiant, what makes you better than the already top and REKNOWN bcrats and such like aberrant, Anja, and Brains?- Vanguard 21:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, of those you mentioned, only Aberrant has been a Bureaucrat, but I assume you don't particularly care about that particular semantic quibble? To answer your question, absolutely, positively nothing; I think they'd all be excellent Bureaucrats. I merely happen to think that I'd do an equally fine job; thus, the nomination. *Defiant Elements* +talk 21:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. To date I honestly don't see a difference in the work and kinds of things done by bcrats, sysops, admins, whatever. I just wanted to know what you could do better. And the answer is, nothing.- Vanguard 22:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Purely out of interest, when you're dealing with a group of qualified Bureaucratic candidates, in what way would you propose to measure how one would be "better"/"do better" than another before the fact? *Defiant Elements* +talk 22:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd define "better" as just, more active and the first to jump on something. Something like that.- Vanguard 23:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, that standard doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a Bureaucrat... in fact, it makes almost no sense at all. Bureaucrats only act in their Bureaucratic capacity on two occasions, ArbComms and RfAs. Since you can't really "jump" on either, it doesn't make sense to use activity as a standard. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

You're the one on this thing, not me. It's just my interpretations. I've asked for distinctions on these things multiple times in the past but noone can really pinpoint the difference between a bcrat, admin, sysop, and normal wiki goer besides having more power than the average wiki goer and being able to delete stuff. That's the only slight difference I see. I just wanted to know what made you more improved than the already reknown people.- Vanguard 23:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It's quite simple really. A Sysop is a normal user who is given additional permissions, (un)delete, rollback, (un)ban, and protect, in addition to limited discretion to administrate users. A Bureaucrat is a limited Sysop who additionally has the technical ability to promote/demote users and sits on the ArbComm. That's it. I'm really not sure what there is to "interpret." I'm also not sure how any of us are more "renowned" than any other... or how that impacts how well we would do as Bureaucrats. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I just think along the lines of "don't fix something that isn't broke". The first three have done perfectly well and if they aren't refusing their nomination I see no point in power changing hands.- Vanguard 23:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Last comment on the matter, I promise: as I said before, neither Brains nor Anja has ever been a Bureaucrat in the past. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

OR HAVE WE? dum dum dumm -- Brains12 \ talk 23:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

To me, doesn't matter. They're slightly empowered normal users.- Vanguard 23:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

And DE isn't a slightly empowered normal user? -Auron 18:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Well Defiant Elements could be described by the word "powerful". I've seen Brains being "omnipotent" in the past. Anja I haven't noticed and ab.errant (that right place for the punkt?) seems to do a lot "stuff". There you go, differentiation. Misery 22:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

May I also point out here that DE is also a sysop, as are Anja and Brains, so trying to make some kind of 'power' distinction between them is moot. -- Wyn 00:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. That just furthers my question, why does DE need to be a Bcrat?- Vanguard 00:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't need to be. But then, why do brains and anja need to be bureaucrats? Someone needs to do it, and DE thinks he'd be a good choice for the job. It's up to everyone who votes to decide who the best choice is. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 00:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe Vanguard's point is simply that he doesn't see any need to change who is a bureaucrat unless either an existing bureaucrat steps down or that there is a better candidate. That's why he's asking these questions. It is extremely difficult for anyone to answer such questions Vanguard, without coming off negatively. I think what you're against is not the candidate, but rather, the system. -- ab.er.rant 06:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks aber for clearing that up a bit. That was exactly my intention.- Vanguard 18:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Your intention is to ask an impossible question that actually has nothing to do with his ability to serve as a bcrat? Uh... k. At least you understand that. -Auron 09:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Ability? That's exactly what I asked. How they could do it better. If I wanted to, I'd ask this question to every current candidate but by seeing the answers here I see that'd be pointless. - Vanguard 16:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

"what makes you better than the already top and REKNOWN bcrats" Funny, I don't see any mention of ability there at all. I just see a question from a user who didn't do his homework. -Auron 00:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, you want to misunderstand so that's your problem. Being a critic just to be a critic.- Vanguard 02:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Personally, what's confusing me is that, despite the fact that you've said your statements are rooted in the belief that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," which would indicate that you would support Aberrant -- the sitting Bureaucrat, not to mention the only candidate who's ever been a Bureaucrat before -- you draw a distinction between Brains and Anja and me, which seems to confound your original, base belief. *Defiant Elements* +talk 02:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I questioned that before, but got no response. -Auron 03:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I could have posted this question to everyone, you just happened to be the one I asked first. And due to the response and the heavy misunderstandment (perhaps faulty wording on my part), I won't bother.- Vanguard 15:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, Defiant. Sorry i removed my vote on your addmission to a sysop. Wish i hadnt now. Well, im definitely voting for you this time round again. You deserve this speech. Such a thoughtful last speech. Best of luck to you sir. --Burning Freebies 08:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)