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Where is the source of this lore? G R E E N E R 04:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC) though the lore itself doesn't constitute a page. --ஸ Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig2.png 04:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. I got tired of waiting for the gw2w to load to check for any canon posted there. G R E E N E R 04:25, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Malchor as Grenth's father[edit]

Source: . I wish I had more time to format. Markus Clouser User Markus Clouser signature img.jpg 09:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Seems fine. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 15:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
All it says is "mortal sculptor" which is far from narrow (doesn't even mention human sculptor) - yes, he's the most likely candidate, but it's not a fact. It is something to be noted on Dwayna and Grenth (and is on the latter, I do believe). Konig/talk 19:23, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
We've got two possibly conflicting pieces of information: The story step you mention that says he's the son of a mortal sculptor, and the book in Malchor's Leap that says "Where his father had fallen, Grenth would rise." People assume the latter line refers to Dhuum as his father, but Malchor technically fell in Malchor's Leap. That was also where Grenth defeated Dhuum and rose to power. Someone mentioned in map chat that this is impossible because Malchor did Dwayna's statue last, and had already done the statues of the other gods (including Grenth). Could it be possible that he met Dwayna when he began carving the statues, and she had Grenth with him before he got done with them? We're unsure if Gods are born as babies, so it could be like real world myths where the God springs forth fully-formed. If so, Malchor could have carved the statue of his son Grenth before finishing with Dwayna's. It's an iffy theory, but might reconcile all the information we're getting. Daine 21:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
People also assume that the line in the scroll means that his father died. But that's not entirely accurate - could have lost fame, could have been humiliated, lost wealth, and so forth. With the scrolls being written poetically there's many interpretations.
As to Malchor making Grenth's statues - not necessarily. The only "proof" we have that Malchor made Grenth's statue is the story provided to a French site months ago, which also claimed Kormir was among the Six Gods Malchor sculpted; the other being the quote on the Divinity's Reach statue, however that could have been from when he was a demi-god (as he still represented mortality, which is what that quote focuses on). Also, if Malchor did sculpt Grenth's statue, then it could have been while Grenth was a half-god, not a full fledged one living in Arah.
Furthermore, Dwayna was the first god that Malchor met - she was the one who brought the task to him and it's implied she knew him before he sculpted the Six Gods' statues (as Dwayna knew (of?) Malchor and that's why she asked him of the task). So it can go either way really. Konig/talk 05:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)